I preferred Wimbledon when all Brits had to worry about was if Jeremy Bates would lose to a cat in round two.
I seem to remember in particular one year not being terribly surprised when he got to match point to win comfortably in straight sets in an early round and then contrived to lose the match in in the fifth set.
Vs Cedric Pioline (a not too impressive frenchman). Actually fourth set (2-1 up) 5-4 40-30 match point to reach the quarters. First serve landed in Greenwich, second serve was a gimme return to deuce. Lost in fifth set, women kinda fancied him then that little posh twat Henman rocked up and they had a new loser to cream themslves over.
I for one am glad Scott_xP puts up the tweets. Obviously helps that I agree with the points he’s making, whether he is using his own words or someone else’s. We need to hear it. Because Brexit has had a massively negative impact, and will continue to do so, until we accept that and start to try and resolve it (and not by unilaterally breaking treaties we have signed). And we’re far from that point. But we’re getting there slowly.
Stick your fingers in your ears, have a pop at Scott_xP, scroll past his posts without reading them, do whatever you feel. It won’t change the fact that gradually, steadily, inexorably, the country is realising it has been conned.
I've felt like the country has been conned for six years. These Tweets are available on Twitter. I don't come here for syndicated Tweets. I go to Twitter for tweets. They're counterproductive because, amazingly, the poster on here who gets me most wound up about Brexit is a fellow Remainer.
I get that. I still think it needs hammering home. Not everyone goes on Twitter.
And even if you do, it is extremely easy to get stuck in your own Twitter circle jerk, only hearing voices you agree with. It’s Twitter’s biggest fault.
It is good, IMHO, to have Scott’s reportage. Many will find it uncomfortable, or, like you, irritating. I still think he does a valuable service posting in the way he does.
It's not fucking "reportage". @Scott_xP is not on the front line of Brexit, with the shrapnel of the NI Protocol whistling past his ears. It is retweeting
The main emotion it evokes is pity for him. And intense boredom. Is that what he wants? Fair enough, but it does not adorn the site nor does it advance his cause
I think we’re all on the front line of Brexit!
Bless him, he’s in the digital trenches, a plucky runner risking life and limb - and perhaps sanity - to bring us, the armchair generals, blood flecked dispatches full of tales of pettifogging bureaucracy, tumbling exports and frustrated holiday makers, ruefully eyeing the EU gates.
Mute button? Man's won the FBPE VC many times over. Remember those times he posted stuff slightly too uncooked, got a pasting, but still went over the top again.
That's how you win wars.
If Brexit was a war, Scotty is Hiroo Onoda.
There’s no reason for that sort of language on here 😠.
I think you all get too worked up by Brexit on PB. My humble view is the difference between being in and out is out now we will get a bit economically worse off in coming years, less growth, less jobs, less investment in UK - but not to some huge dramatic degree that justifies all this fuss. Even a bit financially poorer, we will still be here, there will always be an England.
Some of you act like it wasn’t democratic or won on a fistful of lies. But you will never have evidence that’s true, so you should be polite and not mention what you can’t prove.
We know it was won on lies - some of the leading figures in "Leave" openly said so
There are others. Thirty seconds use of Google Search will turn up plenty of references
It was won because reman failed to make a case and Obama comments of UK at the back of the queue annoyed a lot of people
Lies or otherwise it was a failure by the remain camp to win their case which should have been a walk in the park
The Cameron-led Remain camp.
I may be being paranoid, or over sensitive, but I sometimes think that when people refer to the remain camp, there’s a quiet inference that Remain = Labour.
I could be completely wrong. I could be a frothing FBPE Remainiac. I try not to be, but you never know.
But I do think that it is very important to remember that all three (count ‘em!) campaigns - Remain and the two Leaves - were essentially brought to you by the Tories. Or ex-Tory Ukippers.
Yes Corbyn, yes Hoey, etc, etc. But that doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is Tory. Remain campaign, it’s faults and shortcomings - Tory. Leave, and it’s unicorn herds - Tory. The whole shitshow was.
I hope that, to me, important point doesn’t get lost.
Cameron and remain made a complete hash of the campaign, though it is fair to say labour did not support leave nor do they today, despite what they may say in public
You’re right, of course. They didn’t and don’t. Or at least not the sane bits of Labour, such as they are.
I think God must have wanted Brexit to happen. Why the hell else would s/he have made Corbyn Labour leader during the referendum?
Still, despite that, to me it’ll always be wholly Tory - Remain, Leave, the whole stinking shitshow. Sane Labour could only play the cards they were dealt.
Of all the things that are annoying about Brexit having Corbyn sitting on his hands throughout the whole campaign comes pretty close to the top
I preferred Wimbledon when all Brits had to worry about was if Jeremy Bates would lose to a cat in round two.
I seem to remember in particular one year not being terribly surprised when he got to match point to win comfortably in straight sets in an early round and then contrived to lose the match in in the fifth set.
Vs Cedric Pioline (a not too impressive frenchman). Actually fourth set (2-1 up) 5-4 40-30 match point to reach the quarters. First serve landed in Greenwich, second serve was a gimme return to deuce. Lost in fifth set, women kinda fancied him then that little posh twat Henman rocked up and they had a new loser to cream themslves over.
Ah, good detail there. Obviously I mis-remembered it, or more likely I didn't actually watch it because watching Bates play wasn't much fun, and just heard he'd lost it from a near winning position.
The land is one of utter destitution and forlorn silence. It's billowing crags engulf all that is alive and all that human hand has build and cultivated. Every sound is dashed against the jagged rock, and every ray of light is ground into gravel.
[clearly Djilas was NOT writing on behalf of Montenegro Tourist Board]
. . . a crucified wilderness! That is Montenegro, that is the Nahi of Katuni [homeland of Njegos]: a wilderness and a sea of stone, but one lifted high upon a confusion of peaks, gashed by canyons and gorges, and gouged by gaping precipices burrowing into stone cracked by heat and frost.
It lacks the serenity of the desert of the spaciousness of the sea. It has some of both - but the silence is stony and the spaciousness is overhead in the endless heavens.
The NAHI OF KATUNI
Just up and over the hill from where you are.
Or prit near, as they say in another place (but without a sea coast) where "Mountaineers Are Always Free"
1. The Owl and the Pussycat, which I used to recite to the children when they were little at bedtime. 2. An Irish Airman Foresees His Death.
I know that I shall meet my fate Somewhere among the clouds above; Those that I fight I do not hate, Those that I guard I do not love; My country is Kiltartan Cross, My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor, No likely end could bring them loss Or leave them happier than before. Nor law, nor duty bade me fight, Nor public men, nor cheering crowds, A lonely impulse of delight Drove to this tumult in the clouds; I balanced all, brought all to mind, The years to come seemed waste of breath, A waste of breath the years behind In balance with this life, this death.
I love the Lake Isle of Innisfree and The Second Coming by him too.
Andrew Marvell's To His Coy Mistress is a marvel too.
I love poetry. It's music through words.
For me, having tried a lot of poetry and now like almost none of it, one of the few I'll still remember and like is his "In Memory of Eva Gore-Booth and Con Markievicz".
Definite theme here. Remoaners don't like poetry. They are quintessentially middlebrow
1. The Owl and the Pussycat, which I used to recite to the children when they were little at bedtime. 2. An Irish Airman Foresees His Death.
I know that I shall meet my fate Somewhere among the clouds above; Those that I fight I do not hate, Those that I guard I do not love; My country is Kiltartan Cross, My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor, No likely end could bring them loss Or leave them happier than before. Nor law, nor duty bade me fight, Nor public men, nor cheering crowds, A lonely impulse of delight Drove to this tumult in the clouds; I balanced all, brought all to mind, The years to come seemed waste of breath, A waste of breath the years behind In balance with this life, this death.
I love the Lake Isle of Innisfree and The Second Coming by him too.
Andrew Marvell's To His Coy Mistress is a marvel too.
I love poetry. It's music through words.
For me, having tried a lot of poetry and now like almost none of it, one of the few I'll still remember and like is his "In Memory of Eva Gore-Booth and Con Markievicz".
Definite theme here. Remoaners don't like poetry. They are quintessentially middlebrow
Like you I love This Be The Verse. The only poem I can quote from memory. Good job it’s short.
I’m not a huge fan of poetry but I do have a soft spot for Charles Bukowski. I like his prose too:
"There's nothing to mourn about death any more than there is to mourn about the growing of a flower. What is terrible is not death but the lives people live or don't live up until their death. They don't honor their own lives, they piss on their lives. They shit them away. Dumb fuckers. They concentrate too much on fucking, movies, money, family, fucking. Their minds are full of cotton. They swallow God without thinking, they swallow country without thinking. Soon they forget how to think, they let others think for them. Their brains are stuffed with cotton. They look ugly, they talk ugly, they walk ugly. Play them the great music of the centuries and they can't hear it. Most people's deaths are a sham. There's nothing left to die."
Sounds a miserable, judgey fncker to me.
He certainly was quite a character. Definitely a misanthrope. One for the angry disaffected young men. As I was when I was introduced to him. By an angry disaffected young man.
He lived a life though, Bukowski, I’ll give him that.
I have lots of his books. A great writer imo - and I'm a cheerful settled old man.
I for one am glad Scott_xP puts up the tweets. Obviously helps that I agree with the points he’s making, whether he is using his own words or someone else’s. We need to hear it. Because Brexit has had a massively negative impact, and will continue to do so, until we accept that and start to try and resolve it (and not by unilaterally breaking treaties we have signed). And we’re far from that point. But we’re getting there slowly.
Stick your fingers in your ears, have a pop at Scott_xP, scroll past his posts without reading them, do whatever you feel. It won’t change the fact that gradually, steadily, inexorably, the country is realising it has been conned.
I've felt like the country has been conned for six years. These Tweets are available on Twitter. I don't come here for syndicated Tweets. I go to Twitter for tweets. They're counterproductive because, amazingly, the poster on here who gets me most wound up about Brexit is a fellow Remainer.
I get that. I still think it needs hammering home. Not everyone goes on Twitter.
And even if you do, it is extremely easy to get stuck in your own Twitter circle jerk, only hearing voices you agree with. It’s Twitter’s biggest fault.
It is good, IMHO, to have Scott’s reportage. Many will find it uncomfortable, or, like you, irritating. I still think he does a valuable service posting in the way he does.
It's not fucking "reportage". @Scott_xP is not on the front line of Brexit, with the shrapnel of the NI Protocol whistling past his ears. It is retweeting
The main emotion it evokes is pity for him. And intense boredom. Is that what he wants? Fair enough, but it does not adorn the site nor does it advance his cause
I think we’re all on the front line of Brexit!
Bless him, he’s in the digital trenches, a plucky runner risking life and limb - and perhaps sanity - to bring us, the armchair generals, blood flecked dispatches full of tales of pettifogging bureaucracy, tumbling exports and frustrated holiday makers, ruefully eyeing the EU gates.
Mute button? Man's won the FBPE VC many times over. Remember those times he posted stuff slightly too uncooked, got a pasting, but still went over the top again.
That's how you win wars.
If Brexit was a war, Scotty is Hiroo Onoda.
There’s no reason for that sort of language on here 😠.
I think you all get too worked up by Brexit on PB. My humble view is the difference between being in and out is out now we will get a bit economically worse off in coming years, less growth, less jobs, less investment in UK - but not to some huge dramatic degree that justifies all this fuss. Even a bit financially poorer, we will still be here, there will always be an England.
Some of you act like it wasn’t democratic or won on a fistful of lies. But you will never have evidence that’s true, so you should be polite and not mention what you can’t prove.
We know it was won on lies - some of the leading figures in "Leave" openly said so
There are others. Thirty seconds use of Google Search will turn up plenty of references
It was won because reman failed to make a case and Obama comments of UK at the back of the queue annoyed a lot of people
Lies or otherwise it was a failure by the remain camp to win their case which should have been a walk in the park
The Cameron-led Remain camp.
I may be being paranoid, or over sensitive, but I sometimes think that when people refer to the remain camp, there’s a quiet inference that Remain = Labour.
I could be completely wrong. I could be a frothing FBPE Remainiac. I try not to be, but you never know.
But I do think that it is very important to remember that all three (count ‘em!) campaigns - Remain and the two Leaves - were essentially brought to you by the Tories. Or ex-Tory Ukippers.
Yes Corbyn, yes Hoey, etc, etc. But that doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is Tory. Remain campaign, it’s faults and shortcomings - Tory. Leave, and it’s unicorn herds - Tory. The whole shitshow was.
I hope that, to me, important point doesn’t get lost.
Cameron and remain made a complete hash of the campaign, though it is fair to say labour did not support leave nor do they today, despite what they may say in public
You’re right, of course. They didn’t and don’t. Or at least not the sane bits of Labour, such as they are.
I think God must have wanted Brexit to happen. Why the hell else would s/he have made Corbyn Labour leader during the referendum?
Still, despite that, to me it’ll always be wholly Tory - Remain, Leave, the whole stinking shitshow. Sane Labour could only play the cards they were dealt.
Maybe God did. Perhaps not even God can make sense of something that pretends to be a state and not a state, with a Potemkin parliament, law making powers, and a central bank and single currency but no common defence policy or armed force.
I think God understands contradictions and incompatible ideas very well. He has published several books full of such things.
What! Was he the author of 'Language, Truth and Logic' as well as 'A Treatise of Human Nature'?
I was thinking of some of his more popular works!
A certain mysticism is present in contradiction and paradox, though I accept it can be difficult for some minds to get to grip with.
Without thesis and antithesis there is no synthesis, and no Hegel.
Anyway, some Biblical contradictions are fantastic and creative. Try the ones in in 'Carmen Christi' passage in Philippians 2. God as slave/servant. Absolutely formative of how we understand the role of power in the liberal democratic world. ('Minister' 'Civil servant').
On smartphones and kids the only defence I'll offer is that over the lockdown period those phones and social media outlets were invaluable for kids in order to maintain contact with their friends etc. Lockdown was shit for adults but trebly so for kids and young adults.
Though otherwise I do agree that it is a recipe for disaster, speaking as someone who saw their niece getting bullied over one of them.
Yeah fair point, thanks, though I think I'd extend that and say they are invaluable in that context even out of lockdown. The kids that aren't on phones or social media get excluded from so much (and often are the objects of nasty discussions behind their backs.
If social media didn't exist, though, kids would have other ways of maintaining contact.
On the other hand, smartphones are a large part of the reason that teenage pregnancies and smoking have plunged.
Teenage pregnancies are down by 75% over the last 25 years. Smartphones give them something else to do with their hands!
I feel there must be a sensible mjddle-ground somewhere Thanks for the replies @Foxy
I preferred Wimbledon when all Brits had to worry about was if Jeremy Bates would lose to a cat in round two.
I seem to remember in particular one year not being terribly surprised when he got to match point to win comfortably in straight sets in an early round and then contrived to lose the match in in the fifth set.
Vs Cedric Pioline (a not too impressive frenchman). Actually fourth set (2-1 up) 5-4 40-30 match point to reach the quarters. First serve landed in Greenwich, second serve was a gimme return to deuce. Lost in fifth set, women kinda fancied him then that little posh twat Henman rocked up and they had a new loser to cream themslves over.
Ah, good detail there. Obviously I mis-remembered it, or more likely I didn't actually watch it because watching Bates play wasn't much fun, and just heard he'd lost it from a near winning position.
That he was British number 1 for 5 years sums up the tragedy of British Mens Tennis in the 80s snd early 90s. He reached round 2 of the US Open once in 7 attempts and won 1 career singles title with a ranking high of 54. I had a wank one June and passed him in the rankings.
I preferred Wimbledon when all Brits had to worry about was if Jeremy Bates would lose to a cat in round two.
I seem to remember in particular one year not being terribly surprised when he got to match point to win comfortably in straight sets in an early round and then contrived to lose the match in in the fifth set.
Vs Cedric Pioline (a not too impressive frenchman). Actually fourth set (2-1 up) 5-4 40-30 match point to reach the quarters. First serve landed in Greenwich, second serve was a gimme return to deuce. Lost in fifth set, women kinda fancied him then that little posh twat Henman rocked up and they had a new loser to cream themslves over.
Ah, good detail there. Obviously I mis-remembered it, or more likely I didn't actually watch it because watching Bates play wasn't much fun, and just heard he'd lost it from a near winning position.
That he was British number 1 for 5 years sums up the tragedy of British Mens Tennis in the 80s snd early 90s. He reached round 2 of the US Open once in 7 attempts and won 1 career singles title with a ranking high of 54.
I had a wank one June and passed him in the rankings.
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
I for one am glad Scott_xP puts up the tweets. Obviously helps that I agree with the points he’s making, whether he is using his own words or someone else’s. We need to hear it. Because Brexit has had a massively negative impact, and will continue to do so, until we accept that and start to try and resolve it (and not by unilaterally breaking treaties we have signed). And we’re far from that point. But we’re getting there slowly.
Stick your fingers in your ears, have a pop at Scott_xP, scroll past his posts without reading them, do whatever you feel. It won’t change the fact that gradually, steadily, inexorably, the country is realising it has been conned.
I've felt like the country has been conned for six years. These Tweets are available on Twitter. I don't come here for syndicated Tweets. I go to Twitter for tweets. They're counterproductive because, amazingly, the poster on here who gets me most wound up about Brexit is a fellow Remainer.
I get that. I still think it needs hammering home. Not everyone goes on Twitter.
And even if you do, it is extremely easy to get stuck in your own Twitter circle jerk, only hearing voices you agree with. It’s Twitter’s biggest fault.
It is good, IMHO, to have Scott’s reportage. Many will find it uncomfortable, or, like you, irritating. I still think he does a valuable service posting in the way he does.
It's not fucking "reportage". @Scott_xP is not on the front line of Brexit, with the shrapnel of the NI Protocol whistling past his ears. It is retweeting
The main emotion it evokes is pity for him. And intense boredom. Is that what he wants? Fair enough, but it does not adorn the site nor does it advance his cause
I think we’re all on the front line of Brexit!
Bless him, he’s in the digital trenches, a plucky runner risking life and limb - and perhaps sanity - to bring us, the armchair generals, blood flecked dispatches full of tales of pettifogging bureaucracy, tumbling exports and frustrated holiday makers, ruefully eyeing the EU gates.
Mute button? Man's won the FBPE VC many times over. Remember those times he posted stuff slightly too uncooked, got a pasting, but still went over the top again.
That's how you win wars.
If Brexit was a war, Scotty is Hiroo Onoda.
There’s no reason for that sort of language on here 😠.
I think you all get too worked up by Brexit on PB. My humble view is the difference between being in and out is out now we will get a bit economically worse off in coming years, less growth, less jobs, less investment in UK - but not to some huge dramatic degree that justifies all this fuss. Even a bit financially poorer, we will still be here, there will always be an England.
Some of you act like it wasn’t democratic or won on a fistful of lies. But you will never have evidence that’s true, so you should be polite and not mention what you can’t prove.
We know it was won on lies - some of the leading figures in "Leave" openly said so
There are others. Thirty seconds use of Google Search will turn up plenty of references
It was won because reman failed to make a case and Obama comments of UK at the back of the queue annoyed a lot of people
Lies or otherwise it was a failure by the remain camp to win their case which should have been a walk in the park
The Cameron-led Remain camp.
I may be being paranoid, or over sensitive, but I sometimes think that when people refer to the remain camp, there’s a quiet inference that Remain = Labour.
I could be completely wrong. I could be a frothing FBPE Remainiac. I try not to be, but you never know.
But I do think that it is very important to remember that all three (count ‘em!) campaigns - Remain and the two Leaves - were essentially brought to you by the Tories. Or ex-Tory Ukippers.
Yes Corbyn, yes Hoey, etc, etc. But that doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is Tory. Remain campaign, it’s faults and shortcomings - Tory. Leave, and it’s unicorn herds - Tory. The whole shitshow was.
I hope that, to me, important point doesn’t get lost.
Cameron and remain made a complete hash of the campaign, though it is fair to say labour did not support leave nor do they today, despite what they may say in public
You’re right, of course. They didn’t and don’t. Or at least not the sane bits of Labour, such as they are.
I think God must have wanted Brexit to happen. Why the hell else would s/he have made Corbyn Labour leader during the referendum?
Still, despite that, to me it’ll always be wholly Tory - Remain, Leave, the whole stinking shitshow. Sane Labour could only play the cards they were dealt.
Of all the things that are annoying about Brexit having Corbyn sitting on his hands throughout the whole campaign comes pretty close to the top
I found it rather charming. Corbyn all his life has been opposed to the EU on the simple basis that it is a pro capitalist anti socialist bankers' conspiracy. He had a long enough memory to recall that Labour had been opposed to membership at certain periods.
As far as it goes Corbyn's view was correct. Whether that makes it bad is a matter of opinion. For myself I think it is bad for other reasons.
But where Corbyn and the proper left and I agree is that the UK can be socialist if we want to be and that that's a matter for UK voters.
I don't think it is possible to be properly socialist in the EU.
What Corbyn should have done is have the courage to say what he thought and why. A lot of non-left people would have understood.
I for one am glad Scott_xP puts up the tweets. Obviously helps that I agree with the points he’s making, whether he is using his own words or someone else’s. We need to hear it. Because Brexit has had a massively negative impact, and will continue to do so, until we accept that and start to try and resolve it (and not by unilaterally breaking treaties we have signed). And we’re far from that point. But we’re getting there slowly.
Stick your fingers in your ears, have a pop at Scott_xP, scroll past his posts without reading them, do whatever you feel. It won’t change the fact that gradually, steadily, inexorably, the country is realising it has been conned.
I've felt like the country has been conned for six years. These Tweets are available on Twitter. I don't come here for syndicated Tweets. I go to Twitter for tweets. They're counterproductive because, amazingly, the poster on here who gets me most wound up about Brexit is a fellow Remainer.
I get that. I still think it needs hammering home. Not everyone goes on Twitter.
And even if you do, it is extremely easy to get stuck in your own Twitter circle jerk, only hearing voices you agree with. It’s Twitter’s biggest fault.
It is good, IMHO, to have Scott’s reportage. Many will find it uncomfortable, or, like you, irritating. I still think he does a valuable service posting in the way he does.
It's not fucking "reportage". @Scott_xP is not on the front line of Brexit, with the shrapnel of the NI Protocol whistling past his ears. It is retweeting
The main emotion it evokes is pity for him. And intense boredom. Is that what he wants? Fair enough, but it does not adorn the site nor does it advance his cause
I think we’re all on the front line of Brexit!
Bless him, he’s in the digital trenches, a plucky runner risking life and limb - and perhaps sanity - to bring us, the armchair generals, blood flecked dispatches full of tales of pettifogging bureaucracy, tumbling exports and frustrated holiday makers, ruefully eyeing the EU gates.
Mute button? Man's won the FBPE VC many times over. Remember those times he posted stuff slightly too uncooked, got a pasting, but still went over the top again.
That's how you win wars.
If Brexit was a war, Scotty is Hiroo Onoda.
There’s no reason for that sort of language on here 😠.
I think you all get too worked up by Brexit on PB. My humble view is the difference between being in and out is out now we will get a bit economically worse off in coming years, less growth, less jobs, less investment in UK - but not to some huge dramatic degree that justifies all this fuss. Even a bit financially poorer, we will still be here, there will always be an England.
Some of you act like it wasn’t democratic or won on a fistful of lies. But you will never have evidence that’s true, so you should be polite and not mention what you can’t prove.
We know it was won on lies - some of the leading figures in "Leave" openly said so
There are others. Thirty seconds use of Google Search will turn up plenty of references
It was won because reman failed to make a case and Obama comments of UK at the back of the queue annoyed a lot of people
Lies or otherwise it was a failure by the remain camp to win their case which should have been a walk in the park
The Cameron-led Remain camp.
I may be being paranoid, or over sensitive, but I sometimes think that when people refer to the remain camp, there’s a quiet inference that Remain = Labour.
I could be completely wrong. I could be a frothing FBPE Remainiac. I try not to be, but you never know.
But I do think that it is very important to remember that all three (count ‘em!) campaigns - Remain and the two Leaves - were essentially brought to you by the Tories. Or ex-Tory Ukippers.
Yes Corbyn, yes Hoey, etc, etc. But that doesn’t change the fact that Brexit is Tory. Remain campaign, it’s faults and shortcomings - Tory. Leave, and it’s unicorn herds - Tory. The whole shitshow was.
I hope that, to me, important point doesn’t get lost.
Cameron and remain made a complete hash of the campaign, though it is fair to say labour did not support leave nor do they today, despite what they may say in public
You’re right, of course. They didn’t and don’t. Or at least not the sane bits of Labour, such as they are.
I think God must have wanted Brexit to happen. Why the hell else would s/he have made Corbyn Labour leader during the referendum?
Still, despite that, to me it’ll always be wholly Tory - Remain, Leave, the whole stinking shitshow. Sane Labour could only play the cards they were dealt.
Of all the things that are annoying about Brexit having Corbyn sitting on his hands throughout the whole campaign comes pretty close to the top
I found it rather charming. Corbyn all his life has been opposed to the EU on the simple basis that it is a pro capitalist anti socialist bankers' conspiracy. He had a long enough memory to recall that Labour had been opposed to membership at certain periods.
As far as it goes Corbyn's view was correct. Whether that makes it bad is a matter of opinion. For myself I think it is bad for other reasons.
But where Corbyn and the proper left and I agree is that the UK can be socialist if we want to be and that that's a matter for UK voters.
I don't think it is possible to be properly socialist in the EU.
What Corbyn should have done is have the courage to say what he thought and why. A lot of non-left people would have understood.
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
On smartphones and kids the only defence I'll offer is that over the lockdown period those phones and social media outlets were invaluable for kids in order to maintain contact with their friends etc. Lockdown was shit for adults but trebly so for kids and young adults.
Though otherwise I do agree that it is a recipe for disaster, speaking as someone who saw their niece getting bullied over one of them.
Yeah fair point, thanks, though I think I'd extend that and say they are invaluable in that context even out of lockdown. The kids that aren't on phones or social media get excluded from so much (and often are the objects of nasty discussions behind their backs.
If social media didn't exist, though, kids would have other ways of maintaining contact.
On the other hand, smartphones are a large part of the reason that teenage pregnancies and smoking have plunged.
Teenage pregnancies are down by 75% over the last 25 years. Smartphones give them something else to do with their hands!
On smartphones and kids the only defence I'll offer is that over the lockdown period those phones and social media outlets were invaluable for kids in order to maintain contact with their friends etc. Lockdown was shit for adults but trebly so for kids and young adults.
Though otherwise I do agree that it is a recipe for disaster, speaking as someone who saw their niece getting bullied over one of them.
Yeah fair point, thanks, though I think I'd extend that and say they are invaluable in that context even out of lockdown. The kids that aren't on phones or social media get excluded from so much (and often are the objects of nasty discussions behind their backs.
If social media didn't exist, though, kids would have other ways of maintaining contact.
On the other hand, smartphones are a large part of the reason that teenage pregnancies and smoking have plunged.
Teenage pregnancies are down by 75% over the last 25 years. Smartphones give them something else to do with their hands!
I feel there must be a sensible mjddle-ground somewhere Thanks for the replies @Foxy
I really am not kidding, there is a big range of risky behaviours including teenage promiscuity, smoking, drugs, crime etc that has dropped over the last couple of decades. Smartphones are probably not the only reason, but perhaps part of the story.
Perhaps teens are just misbehaving online rather than face to face nowadays, with bullying, selfie and sexting all taking the place of casual vandalism and sex behind the bike sheds.
The premise that he is some kind of Brexit intellectual who now has to suffer as it is destroyed at the hands of barbarians is a nonsense.
It's funny how his identity hasn't changed with his life's work coming to fruition. He was always this sort of cassandra/prince across the water type figure, and post-Brexit he hasn't been able to actually get stuck in, he has instead retained his cassandra persona. I used to think that him and Carswell were spies against leaving the EU, but I think they are just that inhibited by their own personalities - perpetual rebels without a cause.
He sounds to me like yet another person who has been sold down the river and utterly shafted by Johnson and yet finds themselves surprised.
Incredible how many utterly gullible people there are in politics and public life.
Brexit is a multi faceted thing. It's about the UK constitution; it's about where power lies; its about broad political/economic policy and its about tactical choices.
To support Brexit (and the only thing one could do was vote Leave if that was your position - no more subtle things were available) is to support a particular constitutional settlement, by which we were not members of the EU. And that is all.
Absolutely everything else is a matter for the UK political process. Hannan, doesn't like it all. Nor do I. Well, that's democracy. And it is only us and our parliament to look to for remedies. I think Hannan probably gets that.
(The fascinating spectacle is that of SNP types who get exactly this about Scottish Independence but pretend not to understand Brexit. You couldn't make it up.)
What about Brexit types who not only oppose Scottish Independence but go into paroxyms of rage and indignation at the slightest prospect of it happening?
Cos I haven't made that up either and it's even more of a puzzler given Sindy is more clearly about national sovereignty than Brexit is.
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
She's the shizzle. Bishop Auckland safe as houses for as long as horny men have the vote
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
How populated was the Nahi of Katuni when it inaugurated Montenegrin, Serbian freedom? It is reckoned that in Njegos's time [all] Montenegro contained something over one hundred thousand souls, and that it was capable of sending twenty thousand soldiers into battle, inasmuch as everyone fought who could lift a rifle. The Nahi of Katuni [one of 4 nahi] could hardly have had over some twenty thousand souls - unlettered, without a municipal or administrative center, scattered over a space of barely one county, and isolated by the lack of roads, by ravines, clan hatred, superstition and misery, lawlessness and anarchy. This is where our national myth was crystallized, this is where our national myth began.
SSI - by "national" Djilas means Montenegrin AND Serbian.
BTW he always defined himself, in national terms, as a Yugoslav.
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
She's the shizzle. Bishop Auckland safe as houses for as long as horny men have the vote
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
Bored journalist. 'Who has not had a piece done on them as next PM?' 'Shapps' 'Fuck, really? Oh well, i'll give it a go'
This is the bit of the script where they bring in Claire Ballentine for a chat about running for leader I think.
Its Dehenna time. I know it, you know it, the whole damn world knows it.
We do?!
I thought I'd see who the youngest Tory MP was if they were looking for a real generation shift. It's interesting how stable the average age of MPs has been since at least 1979 - no higher than 51.2, no lower than 48.8 (in 1983).
You are absolutely right again Woolie, Dehenna is the best there is. Anyone who think Penny Mourdant is better than Dehenna just don’t have a clue what voters go for.
She's the shizzle. Bishop Auckland safe as houses for as long as horny men have the vote
And horny girls who like girls 🤌 💦
Yes, those too. And i guess Tories generally but there arent as many of them these days
1. The Owl and the Pussycat, which I used to recite to the children when they were little at bedtime. 2. An Irish Airman Foresees His Death.
I know that I shall meet my fate Somewhere among the clouds above; Those that I fight I do not hate, Those that I guard I do not love; My country is Kiltartan Cross, My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor, No likely end could bring them loss Or leave them happier than before. Nor law, nor duty bade me fight, Nor public men, nor cheering crowds, A lonely impulse of delight Drove to this tumult in the clouds; I balanced all, brought all to mind, The years to come seemed waste of breath, A waste of breath the years behind In balance with this life, this death.
I love the Lake Isle of Innisfree and The Second Coming by him too.
Andrew Marvell's To His Coy Mistress is a marvel too.
I love poetry. It's music through words.
The Irish Airman (like most Yeats) is fab. Up there with Tennyson’s Crossing the Bar as an absolute favourite
Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no moaning of the bar, When I put out to sea,
But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home.
Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness of farewell, When I embark;
For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place The flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face When I have crost the bar.
1. The Owl and the Pussycat, which I used to recite to the children when they were little at bedtime. 2. An Irish Airman Foresees His Death.
I know that I shall meet my fate Somewhere among the clouds above; Those that I fight I do not hate, Those that I guard I do not love; My country is Kiltartan Cross, My countrymen Kiltartan’s poor, No likely end could bring them loss Or leave them happier than before. Nor law, nor duty bade me fight, Nor public men, nor cheering crowds, A lonely impulse of delight Drove to this tumult in the clouds; I balanced all, brought all to mind, The years to come seemed waste of breath, A waste of breath the years behind In balance with this life, this death.
I love the Lake Isle of Innisfree and The Second Coming by him too.
Andrew Marvell's To His Coy Mistress is a marvel too.
I love poetry. It's music through words.
The Irish Airman (like most Yeats) is fab. Up there with Tennyson’s Crossing the Bar as an absolute favourite
Sunset and evening star, And one clear call for me! And may there be no moaning of the bar, When I put out to sea,
But such a tide as moving seems asleep, Too full for sound and foam, When that which drew from out the boundless deep Turns again home.
Twilight and evening bell, And after that the dark! And may there be no sadness of farewell, When I embark;
For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place The flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face When I have crost the bar.
That's lovely. Thank you.
A poem for PBers:
The Pearl by George Herbert
I know the ways of learning; both the head And pipes that feed the press, and make it run; What reason hath from nature borrowed, Or of itself, like a good huswife, spun In laws and policy; what the stars conspire, What willing nature speaks, what forc'd by fire; Both th'old discoveries and the new-found seas, The stock and surplus, cause and history; All these stand open, or I have the keys: Yet I love thee.
I know the ways of honour; what maintains The quick returns of courtesy and wit; In vies of favours whether party gains When glory swells the heart and moldeth it To all expressions both of hand and eye, Which on the world a true-love-knot may tie, And bear the bundle wheresoe'er it goes; How many drams of spirit there must be To sell my life unto my friends or foes: Yet I love thee.
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First serve landed in Greenwich, second serve was a gimme return to deuce. Lost in fifth set, women kinda fancied him then that little posh twat Henman rocked up and they had a new loser to cream themslves over.
Or prit near, as they say in another place (but without a sea coast) where "Mountaineers Are Always Free"
Anyway, some Biblical contradictions are fantastic and creative. Try the ones in in 'Carmen Christi' passage in Philippians 2. God as slave/servant. Absolutely formative of how we understand the role of power in the liberal democratic world. ('Minister' 'Civil servant').
Thanks for the replies @Foxy
He reached round 2 of the US Open once in 7 attempts and won 1 career singles title with a ranking high of 54.
I had a wank one June and passed him in the rankings.
As far as it goes Corbyn's view was correct. Whether that makes it bad is a matter of opinion. For myself I think it is bad for other reasons.
But where Corbyn and the proper left and I agree is that the UK can be socialist if we want to be and that that's a matter for UK voters.
I don't think it is possible to be properly socialist in the EU.
What Corbyn should have done is have the courage to say what he thought and why. A lot of non-left people would have understood.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-mysterious-fall-of-the-teenage-pregnancy
Perhaps teens are just misbehaving online rather than face to face nowadays, with bullying, selfie and sexting all taking the place of casual vandalism and sex behind the bike sheds.
Cos I haven't made that up either and it's even more of a puzzler given Sindy is more clearly about national sovereignty than Brexit is.
How populated was the Nahi of Katuni when it inaugurated Montenegrin, Serbian freedom? It is reckoned that in Njegos's time [all] Montenegro contained something over one hundred thousand souls, and that it was capable of sending twenty thousand soldiers into battle, inasmuch as everyone fought who could lift a rifle. The Nahi of Katuni [one of 4 nahi] could hardly have had over some twenty thousand souls - unlettered, without a municipal or administrative center, scattered over a space of barely one county, and isolated by the lack of roads, by ravines, clan hatred, superstition and misery, lawlessness and anarchy. This is where our national myth was crystallized, this is where our national myth began.
SSI - by "national" Djilas means Montenegrin AND Serbian.
BTW he always defined himself, in national terms, as a Yugoslav.
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The Pearl by George Herbert
I know the ways of learning; both the head
And pipes that feed the press, and make it run;
What reason hath from nature borrowed,
Or of itself, like a good huswife, spun
In laws and policy; what the stars conspire,
What willing nature speaks, what forc'd by fire;
Both th'old discoveries and the new-found seas,
The stock and surplus, cause and history;
All these stand open, or I have the keys:
Yet I love thee.
I know the ways of honour; what maintains
The quick returns of courtesy and wit;
In vies of favours whether party gains
When glory swells the heart and moldeth it
To all expressions both of hand and eye,
Which on the world a true-love-knot may tie,
And bear the bundle wheresoe'er it goes;
How many drams of spirit there must be
To sell my life unto my friends or foes:
Yet I love thee.
(+2 more verses in similar vein)