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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Bottom is Telsa - but that's only because the US markets don't open for another hour.
    So bored of fucking Teslas. Their two cheapest models are number 2 and 4 in the latest bestseller list, and they are common as muck around here.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Arron_banks/status/1536283375639592962


    Arron Banks
    @Arron_banks
    The judge felt sorry for Carole is how I would sum it up. Defamatory but no serious harm. I suppose falsely accusing someone of taking Russian money for Brexit doesn’t cut the ice. It’s likely I will appeal ..

    Hahahaha, go on Arron, waste more of your money, you fucking mug
    To be fair Arron though, he is standing up for what he believes in, and is up against the entire security and British establishment as he does it, which must be scary?
    Ms Cadwallader is part of the establishment?
    Whoever gave a like to that can take it away, I shredded that post with my reply.
  • PensfoldPensfold Posts: 191
    Will Durham police delay any Fixed Penalty against Starmer until after the Wakefield by-election?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Endillion said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Amusing, but you could replace the Tesla graph with that of the S&P 500 and it would make very little difference to the difficulty. Possibly it's even harder.
    S&P has, as you say, a similar shape, but both Bitcoin and TSLA are down 40%+ YTD while the S&P is down less than 20%
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Bottom is Telsa - but that's only because the US markets don't open for another hour.
    So bored of fucking Teslas. Their two cheapest models are number 2 and 4 in the latest bestseller list, and they are common as muck around here.
    The reason they are so high up the sellers list, is that the computers in them are not caught in the chip shortage affecting almost every other car manufacturer at the moment.

    Order a Tesla now, and it’s three months away, it’s about the only new car you can order and not get a 2023 delivery date.

    And yes, not the best car. the interiors are ergonomically terrible.
  • KeystoneKeystone Posts: 127

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    And no definite or indefinite articles in three of your four paras. It's a very distinctive style. The third para was idiomatic.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?
  • Alistair said:

    Endillion said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Amusing, but you could replace the Tesla graph with that of the S&P 500 and it would make very little difference to the difficulty. Possibly it's even harder.
    S&P has, as you say, a similar shape, but both Bitcoin and TSLA are down 40%+ YTD while the S&P is down less than 20%
    Though underpinning Tesla stock is a profitable company with assets and revenues.

    Underpinning Bitcoin is "number goes up" herd mentality.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Endillion said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Amusing, but you could replace the Tesla graph with that of the S&P 500 and it would make very little difference to the difficulty. Possibly it's even harder.
    The shape is the same, the scale is different: the S&P is down 18%, Tesla 40%, and BTC 50%, YTD.

    Incidentally, BTC not exactly demonstrating its use as a hedge there.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Bottom is Telsa - but that's only because the US markets don't open for another hour.
    So bored of fucking Teslas. Their two cheapest models are number 2 and 4 in the latest bestseller list, and they are common as muck around here.
    The reason they are so high up the sellers list, is that the computers in them are not caught in the chip shortage affecting almost every other car manufacturer at the moment.

    Order a Tesla now, and it’s three months away, it’s about the only new car you can order and not get a 2023 delivery date.

    And yes, not the best car. the interiors are ergonomically terrible.
    I wouldn’t mind so much if their owners were not so evangelical. It’s just a stupid car.
  • Endillion said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Amusing, but you could replace the Tesla graph with that of the S&P 500 and it would make very little difference to the difficulty. Possibly it's even harder.
    The shape is the same, the scale is different: the S&P is down 18%, Tesla 40%, and BTC 50%, YTD.

    Incidentally, BTC not exactly demonstrating its use as a hedge there.
    For comparison, this one looks rather different.

    image
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Bottom is Telsa - but that's only because the US markets don't open for another hour.
    So bored of fucking Teslas. Their two cheapest models are number 2 and 4 in the latest bestseller list, and they are common as muck around here.
    The reason they are so high up the sellers list, is that the computers in them are not caught in the chip shortage affecting almost every other car manufacturer at the moment.

    Order a Tesla now, and it’s three months away, it’s about the only new car you can order and not get a 2023 delivery date.

    And yes, not the best car. the interiors are ergonomically terrible.
    I wouldn’t mind so much if their owners were not so evangelical. It’s just a stupid car.
    Yes, that’s by far the most annoying thing about them!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,059

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    He declared some minor gifts late. He should’ve declared them within time, but it’s hard to see this as a great scandal or likely to receive some terrible sanction. (Obviously, the right will seek to present it that way.)
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,506
    Keystone said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    And no definite or indefinite articles in three of your four paras. It's a very distinctive style. The third para was idiomatic.
    I’ve got a banging hangover. I’m going back to bed.

    Are you a cop?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Bottom is Telsa - but that's only because the US markets don't open for another hour.
    So bored of fucking Teslas. Their two cheapest models are number 2 and 4 in the latest bestseller list, and they are common as muck around here.
    The reason they are so high up the sellers list, is that the computers in them are not caught in the chip shortage affecting almost every other car manufacturer at the moment.

    Order a Tesla now, and it’s three months away, it’s about the only new car you can order and not get a 2023 delivery date.

    And yes, not the best car. the interiors are ergonomically terrible.
    I have just ordered a new Honda Jazz, delivery this August.

    VW have a lot of delivery problems, as their wiring looms came from the Donbas.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Pensfold said:

    Will Durham police delay any Fixed Penalty against Starmer until after the Wakefield by-election?

    It's already been reported that it's July because being blunt it's a complete waste of my tax payers money so shouldn't be a priority.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    SKS defence appears to be he and his staff were so busy being noble and full of integrity they temporarily forgot to comply with the rules.
    Tip for Labour HQ. Dont call him Mr Rules if he is too lazy to follow the rules in a timely fashion. Eejits.
    'I have integrity as and when administrative processes permit'
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    He declared some minor gifts late. He should’ve declared them within time, but it’s hard to see this as a great scandal or likely to receive some terrible sanction. (Obviously, the right will seek to present it that way.)
    Was the gift some tacky wallpaper?, or a holiday somewhere? or a knee trembler with an American woman?


  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,316
    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Stop start low speed traffic is perfect for electric cars, especially with regenerative braking.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,206
    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Only works if the range is sufficient for a day's work, which probably depends a lot on the location where it's based - if its in traffic all day, the range might be sufficient, if its running up and down a motorway the driver is going to be spending time and money on expensive fast charging (as far as I can gather, running an EV from the commercial charging network doesn't really save you much compared to running an ICE vehicle).

    I would have thought a hybrid with a big battery would work out better for the average cabbie.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,316
    edited June 2022
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Bottom is Telsa - but that's only because the US markets don't open for another hour.
    So bored of fucking Teslas. Their two cheapest models are number 2 and 4 in the latest bestseller list, and they are common as muck around here.
    The reason they are so high up the sellers list, is that the computers in them are not caught in the chip shortage affecting almost every other car manufacturer at the moment.

    Order a Tesla now, and it’s three months away, it’s about the only new car you can order and not get a 2023 delivery date.

    And yes, not the best car. the interiors are ergonomically terrible.
    That, plus the 2% BIK rate makes them the perfect company car for anyone funnelling their income through a PSC.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? ...
    Not really, particularly when the income he's accused of hiding is pretty well in plain sight.

    Lack of competence in filing declarations is, admittedly, not the best way to draw a distinction between him and Johnson...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/13/keir-starmer-faces-inquiry-over-alleged-breaches-of-mps-code-of-conduct
    ...He was paid an £18,000 advance by the publisher HarperCollins, which he has pledged to donate to charity.

    The latest register of MPs’ interests show several entries were added recently by Starmer: the book fee for one to five hours’ work a week since March 2020 received in April, and tickets for two football matches worth more than £2,000 received in March and April.

    Stone often does not uphold allegations against MPs – dismissing 10 of those referred to her for investigation in the last parliamentary session....
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,249
    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited June 2022
    If the complaint were to be upheld, that would of course be a very different matter.

    Which would solve any Starmer problem.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Dpuble lol at Celsius. They not just frozen withdrawls but all crypto management. So now people are being liquidated on their Clesius loans as they cannot transfer money they have in Celsius to meet the margin call that Celsius is making.

    Just incredible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Keystone said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    And no definite or indefinite articles in three of your four paras. It's a very distinctive style. The third para was idiomatic.
    I’ve got a banging hangover. I’m going back to bed.

    Are you a cop?
    The grammar police are a well staffed group round here.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    Nigelb said:

    Keystone said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    And no definite or indefinite articles in three of your four paras. It's a very distinctive style. The third para was idiomatic.
    I’ve got a banging hangover. I’m going back to bed.

    Are you a cop?
    The grammar police are a well staffed group round here.
    Is a? :)

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    While this is for supporting the Russian invasion, you can see why Johnson might find Zelensky attractive...

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1536319325019201537
    On June 13, the Eighth Administrative Court of Appeal in Lviv banned the Socialists party. All property of the political force will be transferred to state ownership, @chesno_movement reports.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Nigelb said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? ...
    Not really, particularly when the income he's accused of hiding is pretty well in plain sight.

    Lack of competence in filing declarations is, admittedly, not the best way to draw a distinction between him and Johnson...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/13/keir-starmer-faces-inquiry-over-alleged-breaches-of-mps-code-of-conduct
    ...He was paid an £18,000 advance by the publisher HarperCollins, which he has pledged to donate to charity.

    The latest register of MPs’ interests show several entries were added recently by Starmer: the book fee for one to five hours’ work a week since March 2020 received in April, and tickets for two football matches worth more than £2,000 received in March and April.

    Stone often does not uphold allegations against MPs – dismissing 10 of those referred to her for investigation in the last parliamentary session....
    'Several entries added recently' and hes written to Stone to apologise for late declarations.
    In todays chicken and egg, which came first, the declarations or the investigation?
    The answer to that might decide the outcome/tone of any resolution.

    Really stupid to portray him as Mr Rules when he's so bad at following them in a timely fashion. Makes minor breaches seem so much more than they probably are.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    Binance is Tether and https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1536317704990208000

    CZ 🔶 Binance
    @cz_binance
    Temporary pause of $BTC withdrawals on #Binance due to a stuck transaction causing a backlog. Should be fixed in ~30 minutes. Will update.

    Funds are SAFU.
    1:00 PM · Jun 13, 2022·Twitter Web App
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
    Yep

    Full allowance of purchase price against tax in the first year (saving say £10k in Corporation tax).
    2% Company car tax

  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    edited June 2022
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Bottom is Telsa - but that's only because the US markets don't open for another hour.
    So bored of fucking Teslas. Their two cheapest models are number 2 and 4 in the latest bestseller list, and they are common as muck around here.
    The reason they are so high up the sellers list, is that the computers in them are not caught in the chip shortage affecting almost every other car manufacturer at the moment.

    Order a Tesla now, and it’s three months away, it’s about the only new car you can order and not get a 2023 delivery date.

    And yes, not the best car. the interiors are ergonomically terrible.
    I have just ordered a new Honda Jazz, delivery this August.

    VW have a lot of delivery problems, as their wiring looms came from the Donbas.
    Good luck.
    We ordered a Toyota with a May delivery date in Feb. Then put back to August, Now 31st October, according to the latest message from the garage.
    Can't say we are too bothered as the value of our existing car seems to be keep going up in the meantime.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,913
    theProle said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Only works if the range is sufficient for a day's work, which probably depends a lot on the location where it's based - if its in traffic all day, the range might be sufficient, if its running up and down a motorway the driver is going to be spending time and money on expensive fast charging (as far as I can gather, running an EV from the commercial charging network doesn't really save you much compared to running an ICE vehicle).

    I would have thought a hybrid with a big battery would work out better for the average cabbie.
    A Tesla long range can do 360 miles, I don't know how many miles a typical taxi in Edinburgh does per day but I would imagine that it generally doesn't involve much motorway driving.
    Apparently a 15 minute break would allow it to add 200 miles on a Tesla Supercharger.
    https://electrek.co/2021/11/03/how-long-does-it-take-to-charge-a-tesla/

    Edinburgh has a low emission zone, so a Tesla would be a good choice for a taxi. The total cost of ownership for an electric vehicle is already quite competitive.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
    Yep

    Full allowance of purchase price against tax in the first year (saving say £10k in Corporation tax).
    2% Company car tax

    A relative got a Tesla Model X (which he hates - wanted an S, but She Who Must Be Obeyed....) for his company vehicle. Says that it worked out as costing about as much a month as Mini!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Nigelb said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? ...
    Not really, particularly when the income he's accused of hiding is pretty well in plain sight.

    Lack of competence in filing declarations is, admittedly, not the best way to draw a distinction between him and Johnson...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/13/keir-starmer-faces-inquiry-over-alleged-breaches-of-mps-code-of-conduct
    ...He was paid an £18,000 advance by the publisher HarperCollins, which he has pledged to donate to charity.

    The latest register of MPs’ interests show several entries were added recently by Starmer: the book fee for one to five hours’ work a week since March 2020 received in April, and tickets for two football matches worth more than £2,000 received in March and April.

    Stone often does not uphold allegations against MPs – dismissing 10 of those referred to her for investigation in the last parliamentary session....
    'Several entries added recently' and hes written to Stone to apologise for late declarations.
    In todays chicken and egg, which came first, the declarations or the investigation?
    The answer to that might decide the outcome/tone of any resolution.

    Really stupid to portray him as Mr Rules when he's so bad at following them in a timely fashion. Makes minor breaches seem so much more than they probably are.

    I don't disagree.
    I was taking issue with @MoonRabbit 's slightly hyperbolic "about as serious as it gets...".
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
    I get a lot of taxi's. Seen a lot of Toyota hybrids that have done 250k+ miles. I can't see it working out the same way for EV's like Tesla's, but what do I know.

    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260

    theProle said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Only works if the range is sufficient for a day's work, which probably depends a lot on the location where it's based - if its in traffic all day, the range might be sufficient, if its running up and down a motorway the driver is going to be spending time and money on expensive fast charging (as far as I can gather, running an EV from the commercial charging network doesn't really save you much compared to running an ICE vehicle).

    I would have thought a hybrid with a big battery would work out better for the average cabbie.
    A Tesla long range can do 360 miles, I don't know how many miles a typical taxi in Edinburgh does per day but I would imagine that it generally doesn't involve much motorway driving.
    Apparently a 15 minute break would allow it to add 200 miles on a Tesla Supercharger.
    https://electrek.co/2021/11/03/how-long-does-it-take-to-charge-a-tesla/

    Edinburgh has a low emission zone, so a Tesla would be a good choice for a taxi. The total cost of ownership for an electric vehicle is already quite competitive.
    Taxis do low mileage per day - in London, cabbies have told me that they do something like a 100 miles on a good day.

    The black cab driver who was driving an electric black cab, told me he charged overnight at home, drove into London, did his work, drove back.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Nigelb said:

    Keystone said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    And no definite or indefinite articles in three of your four paras. It's a very distinctive style. The third para was idiomatic.
    I’ve got a banging hangover. I’m going back to bed.

    Are you a cop?
    The grammar police are a well staffed group round here.
    Is a? :)

    Also an ill disciplined bunch.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,913

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
    Yep

    Full allowance of purchase price against tax in the first year (saving say £10k in Corporation tax).
    2% Company car tax

    A relative got a Tesla Model X (which he hates - wanted an S, but She Who Must Be Obeyed....) for his company vehicle. Says that it worked out as costing about as much a month as Mini!
    https://insights.leaseplan.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/LeasePlan-White-paper_TCO-of-EVs.pdf
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    theProle said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Only works if the range is sufficient for a day's work, which probably depends a lot on the location where it's based - if its in traffic all day, the range might be sufficient, if its running up and down a motorway the driver is going to be spending time and money on expensive fast charging (as far as I can gather, running an EV from the commercial charging network doesn't really save you much compared to running an ICE vehicle).

    I would have thought a hybrid with a big battery would work out better for the average cabbie.
    A Tesla long range can do 360 miles, I don't know how many miles a typical taxi in Edinburgh does per day but I would imagine that it generally doesn't involve much motorway driving.
    Apparently a 15 minute break would allow it to add 200 miles on a Tesla Supercharger.
    https://electrek.co/2021/11/03/how-long-does-it-take-to-charge-a-tesla/

    Edinburgh has a low emission zone, so a Tesla would be a good choice for a taxi. The total cost of ownership for an electric vehicle is already quite competitive.
    If anyone is interested in the charging technology, would recommend:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZOuz_laH9I&ab_channel=TechnologyConnections
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    I was thinking more about the deprecation rather than then running costs.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,913
    darkage said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
    I get a lot of taxi's. Seen a lot of Toyota hybrids that have done 250k+ miles. I can't see it working out the same way for EV's like Tesla's, but what do I know.

    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.
    "The lifespan of current Tesla car batteries ranges from 300,000-500,000 miles. This differs depending on the type of Tesla model as well as factors such as the owner’s driving habits, the environment, software updates, etc."
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? ...
    Not really, particularly when the income he's accused of hiding is pretty well in plain sight.

    Lack of competence in filing declarations is, admittedly, not the best way to draw a distinction between him and Johnson...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/13/keir-starmer-faces-inquiry-over-alleged-breaches-of-mps-code-of-conduct
    ...He was paid an £18,000 advance by the publisher HarperCollins, which he has pledged to donate to charity.

    The latest register of MPs’ interests show several entries were added recently by Starmer: the book fee for one to five hours’ work a week since March 2020 received in April, and tickets for two football matches worth more than £2,000 received in March and April.

    Stone often does not uphold allegations against MPs – dismissing 10 of those referred to her for investigation in the last parliamentary session....
    'Several entries added recently' and hes written to Stone to apologise for late declarations.
    In todays chicken and egg, which came first, the declarations or the investigation?
    The answer to that might decide the outcome/tone of any resolution.

    Really stupid to portray him as Mr Rules when he's so bad at following them in a timely fashion. Makes minor breaches seem so much more than they probably are.

    I don't disagree.
    I was taking issue with @MoonRabbit 's slightly hyperbolic "about as serious as it gets...".
    He has self inflated the seriousness with his bloviating on integrity but yeah agreed, its not the whitechapel murders.
    He appears desperate to impale hinself on something, anything.
    Maybe minor rule transgressions are flagellation for those with integrity.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Endillion said:

    Alistair said:

    Your challenge, should you choose to accept it is to tel me which one is the Tesla YTD Price graph and which one is the Bitcoin YTD graph




    Amusing, but you could replace the Tesla graph with that of the S&P 500 and it would make very little difference to the difficulty. Possibly it's even harder.
    The shape is the same, the scale is different: the S&P is down 18%, Tesla 40%, and BTC 50%, YTD.

    Incidentally, BTC not exactly demonstrating its use as a hedge there.
    For comparison, this one looks rather different.

    image
    The real hedge of US inflation:

    https://twitter.com/tracyalloway/status/1536321790292656133
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    darkage said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
    I get a lot of taxi's. Seen a lot of Toyota hybrids that have done 250k+ miles. I can't see it working out the same way for EV's like Tesla's, but what do I know.

    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.
    What the mini cab drivers who were switching said was -

    - The tax stuff reduced the *cost* of buying a Model 3 to the cost of Prius.
    - If they got a Model 3, they could get premium work. People will pay a bit more for an electric cab etc.
    - The running costs were much lower.

    There have been a number of Teslas that have done crazy mileage. https://insideevs.com/news/559261/tesla-models-p85-1500000-kilometers/
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    darkage said:



    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.

    I can buy E90/F30 330d and 335d for about half of what they where going for 2 years ago. I mean I don't want to but I can.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    You can’t unilaterally amend an international treaty by changing domestic law. If you could there’d be no point in having treaties. It get to the heart of the difference between two ideas of Brexit.

    Thread.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/garvanwalshe/status/1536243719380295685

    His further comment that Boris won the election with a "type of May's Brexit" is excellent trolling.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Alistair said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    I was thinking more about the deprecation rather than then running costs.
    Depreciation is a running cost. And given that a 13,000 mile Ioniq 5 is on autotrader for more than list price I don't think depreciation is an issue in the current market.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Alistair said:

    Dpuble lol at Celsius. They not just frozen withdrawls but all crypto management. So now people are being liquidated on their Clesius loans as they cannot transfer money they have in Celsius to meet the margin call that Celsius is making.

    Just incredible.

    Welcome to deregulated finance.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    I was thinking more about the deprecation rather than then running costs.
    Depreciation is a running cost. And given that a 13,000 mile Ioniq 5 is on autotrader for more than list price I don't think depreciation is an issue in the current market.
    Yeah - what depreciation? Bought a 21k mile 68 plate Outlander PHEV in April last year for £21,500. I've now doubled the mileage and its still worth £19,500. Had I done 10k miles instead of 20k it would be worth the same as I paid for it. Makes a change from cars depreciating like a brick flies.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    FIFA World Cup Group B - Winner

    England 4/11
    Wales 6/1
    USA 7/1
    Iran 20/1

    USA is the value there I reckon.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Dura_Ace said:

    darkage said:



    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.

    I can buy E90/F30 330d and 335d for about half of what they where going for 2 years ago. I mean I don't want to but I can.
    What is wrong with them, out of interest?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    darkage said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
    I get a lot of taxi's. Seen a lot of Toyota hybrids that have done 250k+ miles. I can't see it working out the same way for EV's like Tesla's, but what do I know.

    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.
    Prius was the hybrid of choice for the London minicab game but Toyota seems to have stopped making them. I was going to add something about exemption from the congestion charge but a quick glance at the rules suggests any recent ICE car is exempt from the proposed London-wide ulez scheme so I'm a bit confused.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901
    A Tesla Model Y would make a brilliant taxi:
    All day range
    Bags of space
    Available in a few months
    Minimal maintenance
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    A Tesla Model Y would make a brilliant taxi:
    All day range
    Bags of space
    Available in a few months
    Minimal maintenance

    Aren't they the preferred taxi in the Netherlands - seemed to be plenty of them when I was there last (er, pre-pandemic, jeez....).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,323
    Dura_Ace said:

    darkage said:



    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.

    I can buy E90/F30 330d and 335d for about half of what they where going for 2 years ago. I mean I don't want to but I can.
    What are the Porsche macan3 litre v6 diesels like.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    edited June 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Keystone said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    And no definite or indefinite articles in three of your four paras. It's a very distinctive style. The third para was idiomatic.
    I’ve got a banging hangover. I’m going back to bed.

    Are you a cop?
    The grammar police are a well staffed group round here.
    Is a? :)

    Also an ill disciplined bunch.
    ill-disciplined, surely ...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    dixiedean said:

    FIFA World Cup Group B - Winner

    England 4/11
    Wales 6/1
    USA 7/1
    Iran 20/1

    USA is the value there I reckon.
    Whilst the odds on Iran's are Shi'ite.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    darkage said:



    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.

    I can buy E90/F30 330d and 335d for about half of what they where going for 2 years ago. I mean I don't want to but I can.
    What is wrong with them, out of interest?
    Nobody wants to be lumbered with an older diesel, particularly the higher power models that run insane rail pressures (2700 bar in the 335d!) and a lot of boost.

    They are great long distance cars though (until they go wrong) but are an evolutionary dead end.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    'I need to speak to my office'......

    Burn everything! Burn it all. They are coming. And somebody order me a beer and a fucking korma
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Keystone said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    And no definite or indefinite articles in three of your four paras. It's a very distinctive style. The third para was idiomatic.
    I’ve got a banging hangover. I’m going back to bed.

    Are you a cop?
    The grammar police are a well staffed group round here.
    Is a? :)

    Also an ill disciplined bunch.
    ill-disciplined, surely ...
    Pettifogging, too.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    dixiedean said:

    FIFA World Cup Group B - Winner

    England 4/11
    Wales 6/1
    USA 7/1
    Iran 20/1

    USA is the value there I reckon.
    Perhaps. Wales are great going forwards but their defence is not world class. England are the best team in the group but have a recent goal drought. Still, no rush.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    edited June 2022
    Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    darkage said:



    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.

    I can buy E90/F30 330d and 335d for about half of what they where going for 2 years ago. I mean I don't want to but I can.
    What is wrong with them, out of interest?
    Nobody wants to be lumbered with an older diesel, particularly the higher power models that run insane rail pressures (2700 bar in the 335d!) and a lot of boost.

    They are great long distance cars though (until they go wrong) but are an evolutionary dead end.
    tyvm

    Edit: I mean of course I had to google what you said....but much appreciated.

    Edit x2: having googled it I am equally obviously none the wiser but I am taking my information from the tone of your post.

    Edit x 3: plus you did use some English so there is that.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    UK’s biggest GP chain replacing doctors with less qualified staff
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61759643

    Plot-twist: it was Labour that allowed substitution of doctors with so-called "physician associates" and it was Labour that allowed American chains to buy up GP practices (but don't call it privatisation).
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,587
    So Starmer cannot even get the basics right.

    His USP - his only USP - is that he is neither Johnson nor Corbyn.

    Yet he cannot even get the basics correct. A big-brained lawyer who is under whether he broke the law in Durham. Who cannot even follow the rules on donations.

    And getting £1,400 tickets to a football match does not make him appear one of the people, either.

    If this had been Johnson, then Starmer would be calling on him to resign. Because that is his shtick. And given that's his shtick, he should be clever enough to ensure he follows the rules to the letter.

    Is he just a hollow shell?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Sandpit said:

    Alistair said:

    Dpuble lol at Celsius. They not just frozen withdrawls but all crypto management. So now people are being liquidated on their Clesius loans as they cannot transfer money they have in Celsius to meet the margin call that Celsius is making.

    Just incredible.

    Welcome to deregulated finance.
    I am shocked.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896

    So Starmer cannot even get the basics right.

    His USP - his only USP - is that he is neither Johnson nor Corbyn.

    Yet he cannot even get the basics correct. A big-brained lawyer who is under whether he broke the law in Durham. Who cannot even follow the rules on donations.

    And getting £1,400 tickets to a football match does not make him appear one of the people, either.

    If this had been Johnson, then Starmer would be calling on him to resign. Because that is his shtick. And given that's his shtick, he should be clever enough to ensure he follows the rules to the letter.

    Is he just a hollow shell?

    Boris has more than once been guilty of late declaration of income. If Starmer did call on him to resign, it did not work. For instance:-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47854338
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    So Starmer cannot even get the basics right.

    His USP - his only USP - is that he is neither Johnson nor Corbyn.

    Yet he cannot even get the basics correct. A big-brained lawyer who is under whether he broke the law in Durham. Who cannot even follow the rules on donations.

    And getting £1,400 tickets to a football match does not make him appear one of the people, either.

    If this had been Johnson, then Starmer would be calling on him to resign. Because that is his shtick. And given that's his shtick, he should be clever enough to ensure he follows the rules to the letter.

    Is he just a hollow shell?

    By tonight he will have told us up and down the country people are worried about CoL not his office admin procedures. Or rather Wes and Angie will have tweeted it, and standards in public life will be yesterdays burning issue
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Starmer you twat I think the time has come to move over. Bring on *checks own bf account* Wes or Angela or Jess or Dan.

    How is a non-MP favourite. Just shows the parlous state of the Opposition atm. EdBalls at 230s looks value on that basis. And therefore I've just put a few quid on him.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    Phil said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Stop start low speed traffic is perfect for electric cars, especially with regenerative braking.
    Ideal for anyone who regularly drives on the M6 anywhere south of Preston, then.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    darkage said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    Maybe someone who bought a Tesla, now reduced to driving a minicab to make ends meet? It could happen to the best of us.
    A non-trivial number of London minicab drivers have told me they were going for a Model 3 for their next car. This was before the fuel price rises recently.

    Apparently if you buy an electric vehicle via your business you can (could) get some serious discounts/tax rebates.
    I get a lot of taxi's. Seen a lot of Toyota hybrids that have done 250k+ miles. I can't see it working out the same way for EV's like Tesla's, but what do I know.

    Diesel must be completely finished looking at fuel prices.
    Dubai taxis regularly do 1m km in three years. I think the highest one I’ve seen is 1.3m. The city is long and thin, and the roads are all fast. Almost all Toyota Camry hybrids, although a few Kias and Hyundais starting to join them in the last year or two.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,838
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Keystone said:

    Johnson has liar, Starmer has boring.

    I know which I'd rather have

    And what if Beer is found to be a boring liar?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-rule-breaches-probe-standards-watchdog-labour-leader-b1005729.html
    Spot on Ozy. What are Labour going to do about it’s growing Starmer problem?

    Investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards for hiding freebies and income is about as serious as it gets isn’t it? Look what their investigation into former Minister Patterson done to him and Tory credibility. Labour called it an investigation into sleaze.

    At the same time he is under a police investigation for lying about a lockdown party. Starmer’s office were the last to know that Rayner was at the party too, even though rest of world was telling them for months she was, “so more lies and obfuscation” to turn Starmer sentences back on him. Very soon focus group heatmaps on Starmer will have greedy and LIAR right in the middle, if not already 😟

    Even though Starmer has got a lot better in the job is finding his MOJO, Labour need to think about how tainted their top team are getting now - Starmer, Angela and Rachel all at curry and beer lockdown party, Red Wes the Marxist strikers friend, Nandy who voted few months back to abandon UK Nuclear Deterrent. For voters to abandon devil you know during crisis is hard work, let alone for front bench with that sort of record.
    And no definite or indefinite articles in three of your four paras. It's a very distinctive style. The third para was idiomatic.
    I’ve got a banging hangover. I’m going back to bed.

    Are you a cop?
    The grammar police are a well staffed group round here.
    Is a? :)

    Also an ill disciplined bunch.
    ill-disciplined, surely ...
    Pettifogging, too.
    You should see my collaborators ...

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,001
    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    Saw a tesla mini-cab today in Edinburgh. Surely the economics don't work out on that?

    I would have thought the economics of that work out why better than diesel at the moment - higher upfront cost but way lower ongoing costs.
    I was thinking more about the deprecation rather than then running costs.
    Depreciation is a running cost. And given that a 13,000 mile Ioniq 5 is on autotrader for more than list price I don't think depreciation is an issue in the current market.
    Absolutely.
    My 2-year-old eniro is worth nearly as much as its list price today.
    Apparently the expected impact on battery life just hasn't been seen.

    (By the way - forgot to thank you for helping preserve the T&S for PSCs. Really very much obliged (I'm very fortunate that my route all the way to the end-client is not doing the sane thing but are actually jumping through the legislative hoops properly. And I wouldn't be surprised if, had we lost T&S, we'd also have lost company car privileges as well, so many thanks for that as well!)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Applicant said:

    So Starmer cannot even get the basics right.

    His USP - his only USP - is that he is neither Johnson nor Corbyn.

    Yet he cannot even get the basics correct. A big-brained lawyer who is under whether he broke the law in Durham. Who cannot even follow the rules on donations.

    And getting £1,400 tickets to a football match does not make him appear one of the people, either.

    If this had been Johnson, then Starmer would be calling on him to resign. Because that is his shtick. And given that's his shtick, he should be clever enough to ensure he follows the rules to the letter.

    Is he just a hollow shell?

    Boris has more than once been guilty of late declaration of income. If Starmer did call on him to resign, it did not work. For instance:-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47854338
    Right. But every time SKS is caught doing something like something Boris has been criticised for - even if a lesser variant - it adds to the "they're all the same" narrative that SKS is desperate to avoid.
    And, of course, hypocrites are usually judged more harshly.
    'Im different'
    Yeah yeah, jog on son
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,323
    kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    Fair queue at Malaga at weekend but went through quick.
  • kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    Is Boris responsible for the staff at Lisbon Airport?

    How long did the queue take?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    edited June 2022

    kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    Is Boris responsible for the staff at Lisbon Airport?

    How long did the queue take?
    Still in it after an hour. Tried to send picture but failed. I thought I knew how to but obviously not.

    Every single non EU gate (10) is open so can't see how they can do it quicker. There are only 4 EU gates but they are empty. We were spoilt previously.

    There are a hell of a lot of Americans here.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    edited June 2022
    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    Is Boris responsible for the staff at Lisbon Airport?

    How long did the queue take?
    Still in it after an hour. Tried to send picture but failed. I thought I knew how to but obviously not.
    Ouch, hope it gets better for you soon. Enjoy your holiday (or work if that's why you're there).

    If it makes you feel any better, you'll probably still get through security quicker there than at Manchester Airport.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    Is Boris responsible for the staff at Lisbon Airport?

    How long did the queue take?
    Still in it after an hour. Tried to send picture but failed. I thought I knew how to but obviously not.
    setup an account on https://imgur.com or similar and upload it to there. then embedded a link?
  • Oh I see we're back to "Starmer is crap" again, one bad poll and you can predict the response on here.

    If Starmer wishes to go I'm quite relaxed, Labour has good options unlike the Tories.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,587

    So Starmer cannot even get the basics right.

    His USP - his only USP - is that he is neither Johnson nor Corbyn.

    Yet he cannot even get the basics correct. A big-brained lawyer who is under whether he broke the law in Durham. Who cannot even follow the rules on donations.

    And getting £1,400 tickets to a football match does not make him appear one of the people, either.

    If this had been Johnson, then Starmer would be calling on him to resign. Because that is his shtick. And given that's his shtick, he should be clever enough to ensure he follows the rules to the letter.

    Is he just a hollow shell?

    Boris has more than once been guilty of late declaration of income. If Starmer did call on him to resign, it did not work. For instance:-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47854338
    That's irrelevant. We know Johnson's either a careless or uncaring fool when it comes to such things. Starmer is *supposed* to be better.

    People will look at this and see there is little difference between the two. Which is a shame, as there is. But the optics of this are terrible.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    Oh I see we're back to "Starmer is crap" again, one bad poll and you can predict the response on here.

    If Starmer wishes to go I'm quite relaxed, Labour has good options unlike the Tories.

    Good options? The favourite for next leader is not even an MP FFS.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    Well you could always enjoy a British resort like Torquay or Southend or Skegness post Brexit. You don't have to holiday in the EU, the weather looks good here this week and no passport control queues either
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,587

    Oh I see we're back to "Starmer is crap" again, one bad poll and you can predict the response on here.

    If Starmer wishes to go I'm quite relaxed, Labour has good options unlike the Tories.

    I'm not saying Starmer's cr@p, and my comment's nothing to do with polling. It's to do with the fact that Starmer's not only missing open goals, he's kicking balls into his own net.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    I wonder what happens if Tether falls? Does the whole crypto market just break down? I'm not a domain expert, would be interested to hear from @rcs1000 and @edmundintokyo on it.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310

    Oh I see we're back to "Starmer is crap" again, one bad poll and you can predict the response on here.

    If Starmer wishes to go I'm quite relaxed, Labour has good options unlike the Tories.

    I am not sure it does. As someone who is currently a "floating voter/vote tart", I have to tell you I could quite happily see Starmer as PM. Everyone else Labour seems to want to suggest are great alternatives don't look that great to me. Wes Streeting, Lisa Nandy, Rachel Reeves all come across as very lightweight. As for Angela Rayner, God preserve us!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    I thought Portugal had already enabled e-gates for UK citizens arrivals?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,310
    Applicant said:

    So Starmer cannot even get the basics right.

    His USP - his only USP - is that he is neither Johnson nor Corbyn.

    Yet he cannot even get the basics correct. A big-brained lawyer who is under whether he broke the law in Durham. Who cannot even follow the rules on donations.

    And getting £1,400 tickets to a football match does not make him appear one of the people, either.

    If this had been Johnson, then Starmer would be calling on him to resign. Because that is his shtick. And given that's his shtick, he should be clever enough to ensure he follows the rules to the letter.

    Is he just a hollow shell?

    Boris has more than once been guilty of late declaration of income. If Starmer did call on him to resign, it did not work. For instance:-
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47854338
    Right. But every time SKS is caught doing something like something Boris has been criticised for - even if a lesser variant - it adds to the "they're all the same" narrative that SKS is desperate to avoid.
    We should all be desperate to avoid that narrative. There lies the route to greater apathy and an even worse form of populism than we currently have. Apologists for Boris Johnson, to their shame, would be quite happy with this appalling state of affairs. They are the equivalent of those who tacitly or overtly support Trump.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    Is Boris responsible for the staff at Lisbon Airport?

    How long did the queue take?
    Still in it after an hour. Tried to send picture but failed. I thought I knew how to but obviously not.
    Ouch, hope it gets better for you soon. Enjoy your holiday (or work if that's why you're there).

    If it makes you feel any better, you'll probably still get through security quicker there than at Manchester Airport.
    Cheers. Retired so holiday.

    Actually I think we were unlucky and came in after some big flights from USA because the queue is now about 400 so more than halved since we have been in it. Bloody yanks.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,901

    Oh I see we're back to "Starmer is crap" again, one bad poll and you can predict the response on here.

    If Starmer wishes to go I'm quite relaxed, Labour has good options unlike the Tories.

    I'm not saying Starmer's cr@p, and my comment's nothing to do with polling. It's to do with the fact that Starmer's not only missing open goals, he's kicking balls into his own net.
    This. There is a Back to Basics air to him these days...
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    MaxPB said:

    I wonder what happens if Tether falls? Does the whole crypto market just break down? I'm not a domain expert, would be interested to hear from @rcs1000 and @edmundintokyo on it.

    When Tether fails the whole crypto market implodes. The volume of BTC-Tether transacrions utterly dominates BTC-RealActualMoney transactions.

    Crypto is priced in Tethers, not USD.
  • Oh I see we're back to "Starmer is crap" again, one bad poll and you can predict the response on here.

    If Starmer wishes to go I'm quite relaxed, Labour has good options unlike the Tories.

    I am not sure it does. As someone who is currently a "floating voter/vote tart", I have to tell you I could quite happily see Starmer as PM. Everyone else Labour seems to want to suggest are great alternatives don't look that great to me. Wes Streeting, Lisa Nandy, Rachel Reeves all come across as very lightweight. As for Angela Rayner, God preserve us!
    I don't respect Starmer at all, but I think Streeting could be OK and I have a few quid on him.

    Otherwise I don't think anyone on offer, on either side deserves to be PM so my next vote will probably be to try to get Ed Davey to be Deputy PM and play a Clegg-like role in the next government.

    I just hope that doesn't lead to electoral reform.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    Standing in the queue at Lisbon Airport passport control in a f***ing big hall. A snake with about 40 turns and each length of about 25 people. So ball park 1000 people. Wasn't like this during the pandemic. EU gates empty.

    Thanks Boris.

    Well you could always enjoy a British resort like Torquay or Southend or Skegness post Brexit. You don't have to holiday in the EU, the weather looks good here this week and no passport control queues either
    Twit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    Oh I see we're back to "Starmer is crap" again, one bad poll and you can predict the response on here.

    If Starmer wishes to go I'm quite relaxed, Labour has good options unlike the Tories.

    I am not sure it does. As someone who is currently a "floating voter/vote tart", I have to tell you I could quite happily see Starmer as PM. Everyone else Labour seems to want to suggest are great alternatives don't look that great to me. Wes Streeting, Lisa Nandy, Rachel Reeves all come across as very lightweight. As for Angela Rayner, God preserve us!
    West Streeting is the only alternative Labour leader in Parliament who might do better than Starmer. Also centrist but with far more charisma
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