My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Contrary to what's been spouted in the press, most people don't do this.
What chance that “Fake Ticket” actually means “Couldn’t be read by the computer, because the computer couldn’t connnect to the database”?
Plenty of fake tickets in the pictures of fans holding up tickets outside the ground.
Still at it and still unprepared to apologise for the terrible slurs on Liverpool fans.
Worst thing is someone who just doesn't admit to getting something wrong. Like I did with the invasion.
Sigh.
Nah, just calling out c**** who think it's acceptable to turn up to a football match with a fake ticket.
I get that you are an Arsenal fan and have issues with Liverpool fans, maybe they disrupted your sleep at Highbury or the Emirates once and you still hold it against them but from the moment the problems were emerging you were very happy to blame Liverpool fans.
Since then as the truth has come out but by not you seem to have looked for smaller and smaller things to find fault with as if they were evil crimes. I expect you to start complying that some of the Liverpool fans didn’t wash their hands after taking a puss next.
As Leon said - this was a massive game and so the prevalence of fake tickets was always going to be higher.
The fact that such big games had been disrupted by Covid added to the desire to get tickets.
Added to the improvement of tech to be able to create very convincing fakes by small scale operators it’s something that will grow as a problem and this is the first high profile experience of probably many to come.
Then there are many, not just players friends who got official club tickets that were declared fake, but also reports from UEFA sponsors and guests with the same problem.
So maybe get off the high horse and when Arsenal make it to a major final again you can come back and ask me to apologise when absolutely no Arsenal fans present fake or “fake” tickets.
I didn't get a ticket for Paris 2006. I didn't try to get one on the black market.
I don't recall their being problems (other than the Barca team bus got a police escort and Arsenal's didn't and were late).
But that’s the thing, Arsenal haven’t had a sniff of a European final since then so your own personal experience is based on ancient history before computers so if Arsenal fans were presented with good fakes when they do reach a final, maybe in 2038 or something, are you so sure that many including yourself might get caught out?
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Contrary to what's been spouted in the press, most people don't do this.
Out of a capacity of 80,000, even the total of 2,549 should have been managable.
I'm not defending the French. Clearly they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
What annoys me is that fans turning up with fake tickets gets dismissed as something that happens all the time. It most certainly does not.
But that's surely just a function of the extremely high profile nature of the match, and its intense desirability. A Champion's League Final, in Paris, between two of the most storied and talented teams on the planet, Real Madrid and Liverpool. Spain v England. And this after two years of everyone being starved of spectator sport, as well
Tickets were mega expensive and thus highly enticing to potential fakers
Banknotes with face values of a tiny fraction of the value of football tickets have orders of magnitude better anti-forgery protection.
Surprisingly (not), the criminals have moved in to exploit this.
An electronic ticketing system that would control the secondary market, stamp out fakes and allow easy verification of tickets (think outer cordon at big games) is the way to go.
"Banknotes with face values of a tiny fraction of the value of football tickets have orders of magnitude better anti-forgery protection."
Well yes. Because with football tickets, in a best of all possible world scenario, you might sell 1,000 or 1,500 fakes (i.e. 2% of all the tickets in existence) and make - say - £1m profit.
With £20 notes, there are £44bn worth in circulation. If you were to just print off 0.1% of the number in circulation, you would have made yourself rather a lot more money.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Contrary to what's been spouted in the press, most people don't do this.
What chance that “Fake Ticket” actually means “Couldn’t be read by the computer, because the computer couldn’t connnect to the database”?
Plenty of fake tickets in the pictures of fans holding up tickets outside the ground.
Still at it and still unprepared to apologise for the terrible slurs on Liverpool fans.
Worst thing is someone who just doesn't admit to getting something wrong. Like I did with the invasion.
Sigh.
Nah, just calling out c**** who think it's acceptable to turn up to a football match with a fake ticket.
I get that you are an Arsenal fan and have issues with Liverpool fans, maybe they disrupted your sleep at Highbury or the Emirates once and you still hold it against them but from the moment the problems were emerging you were very happy to blame Liverpool fans.
Since then as the truth has come out but by not you seem to have looked for smaller and smaller things to find fault with as if they were evil crimes. I expect you to start complying that some of the Liverpool fans didn’t wash their hands after taking a puss next.
As Leon said - this was a massive game and so the prevalence of fake tickets was always going to be higher.
The fact that such big games had been disrupted by Covid added to the desire to get tickets.
Added to the improvement of tech to be able to create very convincing fakes by small scale operators it’s something that will grow as a problem and this is the first high profile experience of probably many to come.
Then there are many, not just players friends who got official club tickets that were declared fake, but also reports from UEFA sponsors and guests with the same problem.
So maybe get off the high horse and when Arsenal make it to a major final again you can come back and ask me to apologise when absolutely no Arsenal fans present fake or “fake” tickets.
I didn't get a ticket for Paris 2006. I didn't try to get one on the black market.
I don't recall their being problems (other than the Barca team bus got a police escort and Arsenal's didn't and were late).
Why would you recall there being problems?
There wouldn't have been problems this time had the security handled things properly. I've had my (entirely legitimate) ticket scan as illegitimate once before. We were swiftly escorted out of the queue and into the security office in order for it to be resolved rather than holding the line up or getting tear gassed.
Nobody else except maybe the people immediately behind me in line then would have been aware there was an issue when my ticket was initially rejected, which is how it should be.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Well, I'm still symptomatic and have had just a single dose of Paxlovid, but my LFT line is definitely thinner, lighter and took longer to appear. I'm hoping that by Sunday it will have disappeared
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Contrary to what's been spouted in the press, most people don't do this.
What chance that “Fake Ticket” actually means “Couldn’t be read by the computer, because the computer couldn’t connnect to the database”?
Plenty of fake tickets in the pictures of fans holding up tickets outside the ground.
Still at it and still unprepared to apologise for the terrible slurs on Liverpool fans.
Worst thing is someone who just doesn't admit to getting something wrong. Like I did with the invasion.
Sigh.
Nah, just calling out c**** who think it's acceptable to turn up to a football match with a fake ticket.
More than likely those with fake tickets were the victims of crime than criminals themselves.
There were cases of tickets bought from legitimate sources (such as the club themselves) and told that they were fake.
Of course turning up without a ticket at all is different.
You seriously think the clubs were distributing fake tickets?
I'm sorry, but if you buy from the black market, you're as guilty as the person making the fake ticket.
People who were told their tickets were fake, had purchased them from official sources.
From our director's experience the scanners were working fine but it was the arsehole stewards that were simply refusing to scan them in the first place and rejecting tickets as fake just because they felt like it. He's a Real Madrid fan btw and complained to both the sponsor where he sits on the board, to RM and to UEFA for the treatment all fans were receiving that day. He was pretty annoyed with RM at first for just going along with the French police version so hopefully his complaint and other complaints to the club made them come out with their game changing statement.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
I doubt 30%, but if the Conservatives went wobbly on Breixt, somewhere between "some" and "quite a lot" of current Conservative voters would peel off to Farage. Enough to really stuff the Conservative poll rating. Especially a Farage offering big cuts in petrol duty.
It's the Regan line, "dance with the one who brung ya". For better or for worse, a fair chunk of the Conservative vote in 2019 was no compromise Brexit backers. A party interested in compromise would have retained and expelled a different mix of MPs in autumn 2019.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
This is the kind of logic that brought us Brexit. I was talking about avoiding an unpleasant experience, are you're still wondering why...
Individuals who are involved in these legal cases are having their Rwanda removal letters withdrawn, because of claims around human rights. Which makes me think whatever the judge says today- there could be an avalanche of legal cases afterwards https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1535288463825719296
I for one cannot believe that, after all this brouhaha, it turns out that a remarkably virulent novel bat coronavirus with strange evolutions at the Furin Cleavage Site emerged in the same Chinese city that hosts the only laboratory in the world which is investigating novel bat coronaviruses and trying to tweak them at the Furin Cleavage Site and testing them on humanised mice in order to make them more virulent - and now it turns out these things are probably connected?? What?
I mean, who the FUCK could've predicted that? No wonder the World Health Organisation was completely bewildered by it all, for two and a half years
Checking the PB register of interests to see if you received large donations from wild bats. 🙂
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Contrary to what's been spouted in the press, most people don't do this.
What chance that “Fake Ticket” actually means “Couldn’t be read by the computer, because the computer couldn’t connnect to the database”?
Plenty of fake tickets in the pictures of fans holding up tickets outside the ground.
Still at it and still unprepared to apologise for the terrible slurs on Liverpool fans.
Worst thing is someone who just doesn't admit to getting something wrong. Like I did with the invasion.
Sigh.
Nah, just calling out c**** who think it's acceptable to turn up to a football match with a fake ticket.
I get that you are an Arsenal fan and have issues with Liverpool fans, maybe they disrupted your sleep at Highbury or the Emirates once and you still hold it against them but from the moment the problems were emerging you were very happy to blame Liverpool fans.
Since then as the truth has come out but by not you seem to have looked for smaller and smaller things to find fault with as if they were evil crimes. I expect you to start complying that some of the Liverpool fans didn’t wash their hands after taking a puss next.
As Leon said - this was a massive game and so the prevalence of fake tickets was always going to be higher.
The fact that such big games had been disrupted by Covid added to the desire to get tickets.
Added to the improvement of tech to be able to create very convincing fakes by small scale operators it’s something that will grow as a problem and this is the first high profile experience of probably many to come.
Then there are many, not just players friends who got official club tickets that were declared fake, but also reports from UEFA sponsors and guests with the same problem.
So maybe get off the high horse and when Arsenal make it to a major final again you can come back and ask me to apologise when absolutely no Arsenal fans present fake or “fake” tickets.
I didn't get a ticket for Paris 2006. I didn't try to get one on the black market.
I don't recall their being problems (other than the Barca team bus got a police escort and Arsenal's didn't and were late).
But that’s the thing, Arsenal haven’t had a sniff of a European final since then so your own personal experience is based on ancient history before computers so if Arsenal fans were presented with good fakes when they do reach a final, maybe in 2038 or something, are you so sure that many including yourself might get caught out?
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
Russians still haven't learned to disperse their artillery. A Russian rocket artillery position was completely obliterated by the Ukrainian 40th Artillery Brigade - at least 13 vehicles were destroyed including 6 BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers, and supply trucks. https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1535286866379157504
For Nick Palmer, Dura_Ace and others who think we should negotiate with Putin by giving away parts of Ukraine.
What I think "should" happen (I'll should you right through that fucking window - M. Tucker) doesn't matter at all.
What's relevant is what's possible and likely to happen. The Ukrainians can't kick the Russians out of the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts and the Russians can't get to the Dneiper.
So what's likely to happen is a negotiated ceasefire along those lines that neither side has any intention of honouring in the longer term.
Yeah the whole "Nick Palmer, Dura et al Russian apologists" thing is a bizarre PB tick that sees anyone who tries to identify a possible solution which doesn't involve a complete and utter Ukraine victory as Putin's stooge.
Perhaps we should go back to twitter footage of a Russian platoon in a contact dismounting its APC to draw meaningful insight from the war.
It really is not. Just before this war began, Nick was going on about how the US and UK warning that Russia was going to invade Ukraine as wrong, as it might 'poke' Russia into the war.
It was bullshit (I believe Nick has since moderated his position). He also later went on about how we guaranteed Russia that NATO would not expand eastwards. Which appears not only to be wrong, but immoral as it gives Russia a great deal of power over their (in the minds) vassal states.
Those states are independent (yes, Russia Duma, even Lithuania). It should be up to them to decide - especially when they have a country near them acting as Russia is.
I am perfectly willing to listen to people who want to highlight any solution to this mess. I also hope they're willing to listen to why forcing Ukraine to give up territory (again) is a really bad idea in the medium and long term. But they rarely do.
The only people forcing Ukraine to give up territory is because of facts on the ground. Pretending that those facts don't exist is bizarre and untypical of PB.
People comment on the Ukraine war as though it has some predestined end whereby the forces of good overcome the bad guys.
The world is full of countries which have changed borders as a result of military engagements. Why whisper it but some have involved Great Britain if you can believe that.
The question now is whether Russia is strong enough to do the same. We shall see. But one thing we don't seem to be doing is going to war against Russia to prevent it happening.
I'm not pretending the facts on the ground don't exist. If you want to make that sort of argument, then I'd say they you're saying Ukraine has already been defeated. Something you seem to have been saying since February 24th. ;(
The point is fuck-all to do with 'changed borders'. It is to do with the fact that the borders changed in 2014, and Russia just invaded again. Giving Russia territory now is not a guarantee of a peace for even a few years - as Dura_Ace admits.
We should have faced up to Russia in 2014. Or over Syria. We did not, and it emboldened Putin. If we force Ukraine to give in now, then he will be further emboldened.
The more Russia is weakened now, the better the future of the world in the medium and long term.
I didn't say Ukraine has already been defeated; I said that people such as yourself were making huge leaps of logic based upon 30-second youtube clips.
Or maybe listening to people like Phillips O'Brien, Lawrence Freedman, Michael Clarke and assorted retired generals who do this sort of thing for a living?
You mean the retired generals who say the answer is for more defence spending and (for example) the UK public should be put on a war footing? Those retired generals?
I've heard one or two generals say that. I've not heard that from people like David Petraeus Mark Hertling who have been very thorough on the war.
You are entitled to have a negative view of our military establishment and I'm sure have your own reasons for that. But it strikes me as rather sad if you allow that to colour your perception of everything else.
The military establishment does what any establishment would do - self-propagate. Another cold war is the generals' dream. Plenty of money hosed at defence while never having to fight the war. Unlike Afghan or Iraq, for example, where fighting had to be done.
Or, just possibly, they speak from a certain perspective with integrity i.e. they genuinely believe their solution is the best one, based on lots of expertise. Or even: there is variation within any 'establishment'. It seems a foolish idea to dismiss as a bloc the group who have most expertise on this topic in such a sweeping statement.
I have no doubt they believe their solution is the best one. Just as those who follow homeopathy believe that. And when you say "expertise" you are right in the sense of knowing their immediate subject but wrong in the sense of "experts in knowing how to fight and win wars".
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
Contrary to what's been spouted in the press, most people don't do this.
What chance that “Fake Ticket” actually means “Couldn’t be read by the computer, because the computer couldn’t connnect to the database”?
Plenty of fake tickets in the pictures of fans holding up tickets outside the ground.
Still at it and still unprepared to apologise for the terrible slurs on Liverpool fans.
Worst thing is someone who just doesn't admit to getting something wrong. Like I did with the invasion.
Sigh.
Nah, just calling out c**** who think it's acceptable to turn up to a football match with a fake ticket.
You do realise I’m classed as one of the 1,644 fake ticket holders?
My ticket was from the UEFA collection point at the ground.
The rozzer at first said it was a fake without scanning it.
If genuine tickets are getting classed as fake then that 1,644 figure is bollocks.
I haven’t given an opinion on the validity of numbers.
I have given evidence that there were Liverpool fans with fake tickets.
Plenty of which were purchased from official sources.
I think the 2500 number is probably related to failed scans rather than people simply being turned away as suspected fake ticket holders. In the very small sample of our company 3 out 7 people reported being turned away without having their tickets scanned, two LFC fans and 1 RM fan.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Way Off Topic - my friend who is bicycling across North America from Seattle to New York, crossed the Continental Divide yesterday at Togwotee Pass (elevation 9,584 feet above sea level).
"At the foot of the climb, I saw a sign warning motorists not stop their cars and approach bears on the road. That wasn’t super comforting for a person travelling 5-6 mph uphill. The ranger station was close by so I popped in to ask if any bears had been seen on the road recently.
Ranger: “Well, there was a gizzly sow with two cubs spotted about ten days ago, but we think she’s hunting elk in the lowlands now. Do you have bear spray?”
Me: “Um, no”
Ranger: “Well just make a lot of noise”
Me: “OK”
Thankfully, I didn’t see a bear, but I did spend the 8 mile grind talking loudly to myself. Kind of therapeutic in a way. . . .
Continuing on, the route wandered a high snowy plateau. I stopped to slather on more sunscreen, look up when done, and saw Stefan from Austria across the road going the opposite direction. He’s killing it. Five weeks from NYC to Togwotee! Against the wind! We compared notes because our routes are a lot alike.
A short time later I reached the Continental Divide! Big woohoo! As I was taking pictures, two Belgian cyclsts rolled up. They are doing the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail south to north. We didn’t chat long. I didn’t get their names. The Divide is a huge milestone for me. I was happy to begin a nine mile downhill.
Tailwinds pushed me the whole day, from leaving the campsite, to the grind up the pass and now the really built up for a strong push down the Wind River Valley. I was cycling 25 mph on the flats which is crazy for me. I hope the wind gods are with me through the rest of the trip.
I reached Dubois at 4:30. Crazy for a 74 mile day with a big hill. There aren’t any public campgrounds near here and the KOA charges $58 for a tent site so I got a hotel. Once I again, I found a reasonable but unique old place, The Twin Pines Lodge. I ate at the Cowboy Cafe which the camp host at Jenny Lake told me about. I had buffalo meatloaf and nutella pecan pie for desert because I deserve it."
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Mary [edit] Mallon did what she wanted, which was cook for people. She felt absolutely fine. Only problem was, she was a typhoid carrier. She was a good libertarian, but had to be banged up because she didn't give a **** for other people.
Way Off Topic - my friend who is bicycling across North America from Seattle to New York, crossed the Continental Divide yesterday at Togwotee Pass (elevation 9,584 feet above sea level).
"At the foot of the climb, I saw a sign warning motorists not stop their cars and approach bears on the road. That wasn’t super comforting for a person travelling 5-6 mph uphill. The ranger station was close by so I popped in to ask if any bears had been seen on the road recently.
Ranger: “Well, there was a gizzly sow with two cubs spotted about ten days ago, but we think she’s hunting elk in the lowlands now. Do you have bear spray?”
Me: “Um, no”
Ranger: “Well just make a lot of noise”
Me: “OK”
Thankfully, I didn’t see a bear, but I did spend the 8 mile grind talking loudly to myself. Kind of therapeutic in a way. . . .
Continuing on, the route wandered a high snowy plateau. I stopped to slather on more sunscreen, look up when done, and saw Stefan from Austria across the road going the opposite direction. He’s killing it. Five weeks from NYC to Togwotee! Against the wind! We compared notes because our routes are a lot alike.
A short time later I reached the Continental Divide! Big woohoo! As I was taking pictures, two Belgian cyclsts rolled up. They are doing the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail south to north. We didn’t chat long. I didn’t get their names. The Divide is a huge milestone for me. I was happy to begin a nine mile downhill.
Tailwinds pushed me the whole day, from leaving the campsite, to the grind up the pass and now the really built up for a strong push down the Wind River Valley. I was cycling 25 mph on the flats which is crazy for me. I hope the wind gods are with me through the rest of the trip.
I reached Dubois at 4:30. Crazy for a 74 mile day with a big hill. There aren’t any public campgrounds near here and the KOA charges $58 for a tent site so I got a hotel. Once I again, I found a reasonable but unique old place, The Twin Pines Lodge. I ate at the Cowboy Cafe which the camp host at Jenny Lake told me about. I had buffalo meatloaf and nutella pecan pie for desert because I deserve it."
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Way Off Topic - my friend who is bicycling across North America from Seattle to New York, crossed the Continental Divide yesterday at Togwotee Pass (elevation 9,584 feet above sea level).
"At the foot of the climb, I saw a sign warning motorists not stop their cars and approach bears on the road. That wasn’t super comforting for a person travelling 5-6 mph uphill. The ranger station was close by so I popped in to ask if any bears had been seen on the road recently.
Ranger: “Well, there was a gizzly sow with two cubs spotted about ten days ago, but we think she’s hunting elk in the lowlands now. Do you have bear spray?”
Me: “Um, no”
Ranger: “Well just make a lot of noise”
Me: “OK”
Thankfully, I didn’t see a bear, but I did spend the 8 mile grind talking loudly to myself. Kind of therapeutic in a way. . . .
Continuing on, the route wandered a high snowy plateau. I stopped to slather on more sunscreen, look up when done, and saw Stefan from Austria across the road going the opposite direction. He’s killing it. Five weeks from NYC to Togwotee! Against the wind! We compared notes because our routes are a lot alike.
A short time later I reached the Continental Divide! Big woohoo! As I was taking pictures, two Belgian cyclsts rolled up. They are doing the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail south to north. We didn’t chat long. I didn’t get their names. The Divide is a huge milestone for me. I was happy to begin a nine mile downhill.
Tailwinds pushed me the whole day, from leaving the campsite, to the grind up the pass and now the really built up for a strong push down the Wind River Valley. I was cycling 25 mph on the flats which is crazy for me. I hope the wind gods are with me through the rest of the trip.
I reached Dubois at 4:30. Crazy for a 74 mile day with a big hill. There aren’t any public campgrounds near here and the KOA charges $58 for a tent site so I got a hotel. Once I again, I found a reasonable but unique old place, The Twin Pines Lodge. I ate at the Cowboy Cafe which the camp host at Jenny Lake told me about. I had buffalo meatloaf and nutella pecan pie for desert because I deserve it."
That's for sure!
Reminds me of when in the Chitwan Reserve.
Guide : "Did you bring the kukri you bought in Katmandu?" Me : "No, why?" Guide: {Pick up a chunk of wood) "The ranger says that there is a tiger 20 feet away in the long grass. Don't worry."
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
And the QR code?
I thought that copying QR codes was a waste of time because the system at the ground should only allow one version of each QR code to be accepted.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Even then if the Tories elected a rejoin leader that would still give 35% for Farage and most of the 65% would go for Labour and the LDs.
Unless we went for PR, the Tories would face extinction under FPTP therefore with a rejoin leader
Olaf Scholz had to go and apply for a passport and ID card in person because it was not possible online, the chancellor told the @republica digital conference in Berlin."
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
And the QR code?
But that requires someone to actually scan them which is done at the entry gate not at the outer cordon.
I'm not sure how many big football matches you've been to, I've been to a few and there's always an outer cordon where ticket holders have their tickets checked by eye and then the inside that it's ticket holders only. The reason the holograms exist on these kinds of tickets is to help the stewards at the outer cordon who don't have scanners to easily spot people with fakes.
By not having the hologram UEFA took away this security layer and unsurprisingly a bunch of shysters with reasonably decent fake tickets were selling them just outside the outer cordon and some fans attempted to print their own. They got past the outer cordon easily and that's why there were all of these issues at the entry gates with people who had either been conned or were trying to con their way into the game making it impossible for legitimate ticket holders to get in.
It was a UEFA fuck up and it looks as though the head of UEFA just got his gym buddy to take over as head of security despite being a complete novice and unsuitable for the job.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
It’s probably sadder than that, they probably paid good money for them to a man in a Liverpool pub or a tout in Paris or online thinking they were genuine tickets - organised crime ripped the fans off.
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
You're right, that is a tiny sample. Doesn't explain why many legitimate tickets bought from legitimate sources were being rejected as fake.
How do you know those ones are fake incidentally?
You're the only one still banging this drum of "fake tickets" rather than realising the problem was the authorities screwed up.
It is never the fault of the fans, esp not Scouse fans. There's any number of instances of people getting crushed to death twice in successive years at first class cricket matches, but no one mentions that
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
And the QR code?
I thought that copying QR codes was a waste of time because the system at the ground should only allow one version of each QR code to be accepted.
That still allows scumbags to copy tickets. and means, potentially that someone with the original, valid ticket gets told theirs is a fake/duplicate.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
And the QR code?
But that requires someone to actually scan them which is done at the entry gate not at the outer cordon.
I'm not sure how many big football matches you've been to, I've been to a few and there's always an outer cordon where ticket holders have their tickets checked by eye and then the inside that it's ticket holders only. The reason the holograms exist on these kinds of tickets is to help the stewards at the outer cordon who don't have scanners to easily spot people with fakes.
By not having the hologram UEFA took away this security layer and unsurprisingly a bunch of shysters with reasonably decent fake tickets were selling them just outside the outer cordon and some fans attempted to print their own. They got past the outer cordon easily and that's why there were all of these issues at the entry gates with people who had either been conned or were trying to con their way into the game making it impossible for legitimate ticket holders to get in.
It was a UEFA fuck up and it looks as though the head of UEFA just got his gym buddy to take over as head of security despite being a complete novice and unsuitable for the job.
I read that about UEFA, Two Slovenians eh. What are the odds
Football is so fucked administratively. I guess it successfully generates so much money people don’t care about the governance - until something like this
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Followed by plague and fire, you mean?
And who is the Tumbledown Dick to Johnson's Oliver Cromwell?
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
And the QR code?
But that requires someone to actually scan them which is done at the entry gate not at the outer cordon.
I'm not sure how many big football matches you've been to, I've been to a few and there's always an outer cordon where ticket holders have their tickets checked by eye and then the inside that it's ticket holders only. The reason the holograms exist on these kinds of tickets is to help the stewards at the outer cordon who don't have scanners to easily spot people with fakes.
By not having the hologram UEFA took away this security layer and unsurprisingly a bunch of shysters with reasonably decent fake tickets were selling them just outside the outer cordon and some fans attempted to print their own. They got past the outer cordon easily and that's why there were all of these issues at the entry gates with people who had either been conned or were trying to con their way into the game making it impossible for legitimate ticket holders to get in.
It was a UEFA fuck up and it looks as though the head of UEFA just got his gym buddy to take over as head of security despite being a complete novice and unsuitable for the job.
I read that about UEFA, Two Slovenians eh. What are the odds
Football is so fucked administratively. I guess it successfully generates so much money people don’t care about the governance - until something like this
A bit like China, before Zero Covid
Indeed and event security is probably the most critical bit of hosting a final. He's fucked up the Euro final in Wembley, the Europa League final this year and the Champions League final as well. Horrible record.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
And the QR code?
But that requires someone to actually scan them which is done at the entry gate not at the outer cordon.
I'm not sure how many big football matches you've been to, I've been to a few and there's always an outer cordon where ticket holders have their tickets checked by eye and then the inside that it's ticket holders only. The reason the holograms exist on these kinds of tickets is to help the stewards at the outer cordon who don't have scanners to easily spot people with fakes.
By not having the hologram UEFA took away this security layer and unsurprisingly a bunch of shysters with reasonably decent fake tickets were selling them just outside the outer cordon and some fans attempted to print their own. They got past the outer cordon easily and that's why there were all of these issues at the entry gates with people who had either been conned or were trying to con their way into the game making it impossible for legitimate ticket holders to get in.
It was a UEFA fuck up and it looks as though the head of UEFA just got his gym buddy to take over as head of security despite being a complete novice and unsuitable for the job.
I read that about UEFA, Two Slovenians eh. What are the odds
Football is so fucked administratively. I guess it successfully generates so much money people don’t care about the governance - until something like this
A bit like China, before Zero Covid
Wait until a few thousand boozed-up fans looking for a fight, meet the police in Qatar in November!
At least one country is going to have a major diplomatic incident with the hosts of the World Cup.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
This is the kind of logic that brought us Brexit. I was talking about avoiding an unpleasant experience, are you're still wondering why...
Yes I am still wondering why. We were talking about lines on a test.
Missing a show I was looking forward to would be more worrisome than lines on a test.
Absolutely no reason not to go to a show with flu, or covid, or any other airborne virus. There'll inevitably be many carriers of airborne viruses within any large crowded audience.
Also the major criticism of UEFA for the ticket fiasco and the reason there were so many fakes floating around is because there was no security hologram this time around, that allowed fans to basically just print off their own using colour laser printers and perforated card. Tickets that are easy to forge is, IMO, inviting trouble.
Wait, what? The last football game I went to was a National League game in April and the tickets for that had a hologram!
They didn't, see here:
The ticket on the left is real.
That's utterly astonishing. Not even on the reverse? (I can't immediately find any pictures of the reverse online)
Nah, no hologram at all. It made all the tickets very easy to fake. UEFA blamed the teams for insisting on paper tickets at first, as usual they're never responsible for their fuck ups, but the lack of the hologram is now being touted as the reason 5x as many fakes as they would normally see at a match like this were floating around.
And the QR code?
But that requires someone to actually scan them which is done at the entry gate not at the outer cordon.
I'm not sure how many big football matches you've been to, I've been to a few and there's always an outer cordon where ticket holders have their tickets checked by eye and then the inside that it's ticket holders only. The reason the holograms exist on these kinds of tickets is to help the stewards at the outer cordon who don't have scanners to easily spot people with fakes.
By not having the hologram UEFA took away this security layer and unsurprisingly a bunch of shysters with reasonably decent fake tickets were selling them just outside the outer cordon and some fans attempted to print their own. They got past the outer cordon easily and that's why there were all of these issues at the entry gates with people who had either been conned or were trying to con their way into the game making it impossible for legitimate ticket holders to get in.
It was a UEFA fuck up and it looks as though the head of UEFA just got his gym buddy to take over as head of security despite being a complete novice and unsuitable for the job.
I read that about UEFA, Two Slovenians eh. What are the odds
Football is so fucked administratively. I guess it successfully generates so much money people don’t care about the governance - until something like this
A bit like China, before Zero Covid
Indeed and event security is probably the most critical bit of hosting a final. He's fucked up the Euro final in Wembley, the Europa League final this year and the Champions League final as well. Horrible record.
More importantly, how is New Fatherhood? Are you sleeping? Covered in vom? Still elated? Depressed? Thinking of emigrating alone at night?
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Glorious rev 1688 akshly
Quite right. I can't see the Lord Protector being impressed with the comparison with Mr Johnson. In any case Mr Churchill, Mr J's hero, was descended from a courtier of Charles II and James VII/II. I'm reading the Holmes biog of Marlborough at the moment.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Glorious rev 1688 akshly
Quite right. I can't see the Lord Protector being impressed with the comparison with Mr Johnson. In any case Mr Churchill, Mr J's hero, was descended from a courtier of Charles II and James VII/II. I'm reading the Holmes biog of Marlborough at the moment.
Wasn't the ship they were all travelling on that sank off Norfolk revealed to have been found today? I thought it was really interesting that they kept it quiet for 15 years to stop it being robbed.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Glorious rev 1688 akshly
Quite right. I can't see the Lord Protector being impressed with the comparison with Mr Johnson. In any case Mr Churchill, Mr J's hero, was descended from a courtier of Charles II and James VII/II. I'm reading the Holmes biog of Marlborough at the moment.
Wasn't the ship they were all travelling on that sank off Norfolk revealed to have been found today? I thought it was really interesting that they kept it quiet for 15 years to stop it being robbed.
Haven't got to that bit yet! Spoiler!
Seriously, though, yes James VII and John Churchill (but not Chas II or Noll Cromwell ...) were indeed on her.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Followed by plague and fire, you mean?
And who is the Tumbledown Dick to Johnson's Oliver Cromwell?
Johnson is more Charles II, surely?
Duplicitous, serial love cheat, but jolly and entertaining.
Followed by the dour and humourless James II (who plays that role?) and then revolution.
"NASA Is Finally Ready to ‘Science’ UFOs The world’s top space agency has decided to lean into the discussion."
Hmm
Final para:
"The modern UAP story has been populated by quite an ensemble: lawmakers, defense officials, UFO activists, the Blink-182 rock star Tom DeLonge. Now the cast includes the world’s top space agency and its arsenal of sophisticated telescopes and space probes. NASA officials said they would make all of their findings available for anyone to see. No secrets! But that doesn’t mean that NASA will be able to control the public narrative surrounding this effort, or any discoveries. Once NASA starts talking about UFOs—well, like it or not, it’s a whole different conversation."
Can't we have another photo of a cup of coffee instead of this shit.
I'm also right about LAB LEAK
Remember when WHO reported that a "lab leak" was extremely unlikely? Remember when we were all banned from talking about it on social media for a year, because it is a "racist conspiracy theory"?
"Over two years after the coronavirus was first detected in China, the World Health Organization recommended in its strongest terms yet that a deeper investigation is required into whether a lab accident may be to blame"
Time Laundering: Leaving a story alone for enough time to become less inconvenient to whatever narrative was most important when it first surfaced.
Literally every major story in the US seems to have some aspect of this.
Man caught going to Supreme Justices house with intent to kill? nah that's not a story
yet
People need to start suing the arse off whoever is responsible for this lab. I believe it's the US isn't it?
It's China and the US together. With Britain loyally assisting in the subsequent cover-up. Fauci is deeply implicated
Which is why we will never know FOR SURE, it is not in the interests of the two most powerful nations on earth to allow this, and enough time has elapsed to ensure there can be no 100% proof. The evidence is gone
However, anyone with a functioning nervous system can now work out what happened
That’s for a court of law to decide. Sue them. Bankrupt both countries.
"NASA Is Finally Ready to ‘Science’ UFOs The world’s top space agency has decided to lean into the discussion."
Hmm
Final para:
"The modern UAP story has been populated by quite an ensemble: lawmakers, defense officials, UFO activists, the Blink-182 rock star Tom DeLonge. Now the cast includes the world’s top space agency and its arsenal of sophisticated telescopes and space probes. NASA officials said they would make all of their findings available for anyone to see. No secrets! But that doesn’t mean that NASA will be able to control the public narrative surrounding this effort, or any discoveries. Once NASA starts talking about UFOs—well, like it or not, it’s a whole different conversation."
Can't we have another photo of a cup of coffee instead of this shit.
I'm also right about LAB LEAK
Remember when WHO reported that a "lab leak" was extremely unlikely? Remember when we were all banned from talking about it on social media for a year, because it is a "racist conspiracy theory"?
"Over two years after the coronavirus was first detected in China, the World Health Organization recommended in its strongest terms yet that a deeper investigation is required into whether a lab accident may be to blame"
Time Laundering: Leaving a story alone for enough time to become less inconvenient to whatever narrative was most important when it first surfaced.
Literally every major story in the US seems to have some aspect of this.
Man caught going to Supreme Justices house with intent to kill? nah that's not a story
yet
People need to start suing the arse off whoever is responsible for this lab. I believe it's the US isn't it?
It's China and the US together. With Britain loyally assisting in the subsequent cover-up. Fauci is deeply implicated
Which is why we will never know FOR SURE, it is not in the interests of the two most powerful nations on earth to allow this, and enough time has elapsed to ensure there can be no 100% proof. The evidence is gone
However, anyone with a functioning nervous system can now work out what happened
That’s for a court of law to decide. Sue them. Bankrupt both countries.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Glorious rev 1688 akshly
Quite right. I can't see the Lord Protector being impressed with the comparison with Mr Johnson. In any case Mr Churchill, Mr J's hero, was descended from a courtier of Charles II and James VII/II. I'm reading the Holmes biog of Marlborough at the moment.
Wasn't the ship they were all travelling on that sank off Norfolk revealed to have been found today? I thought it was really interesting that they kept it quiet for 15 years to stop it being robbed.
Haven't got to that bit yet! Spoiler!
Seriously, though, yes James VII and John Churchill (but not Chas II or Noll Cromwell ...) were indeed on her.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. As far as I'm aware for healthy people catching viruses intermittently is good for the immune system and being overprotective is not. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Glorious rev 1688 akshly
Quite right. I can't see the Lord Protector being impressed with the comparison with Mr Johnson. In any case Mr Churchill, Mr J's hero, was descended from a courtier of Charles II and James VII/II. I'm reading the Holmes biog of Marlborough at the moment.
I always liked the story (probably apocryphal) about Marlborough - that he made quite a bit of money selling the plans of other allied generals to the French.
So that when he sold them his own plans (all done anonymously) they cheerfully bought the fakes…
So he made a fortune, lured the French to defeat and trashed his rivals reputations.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Followed by plague and fire, you mean?
And who is the Tumbledown Dick to Johnson's Oliver Cromwell?
Johnson is more Charles II, surely?
Duplicitous, serial love cheat, but jolly and entertaining.
Followed by the dour and humourless James II (who plays that role?) and then revolution.
TBF James VII and II also had a lot of mistresses (incl the future Marlborough's sister), apparently only not so pretty. And Charles had a lot more interest in science than Mr J. Supported the establishment of the Royal Society.
Edit: both also much more interested in the RN than the current administration.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
I didn't realise you couldn't breathe in your house. I've been doing it all wrong.
"NASA Is Finally Ready to ‘Science’ UFOs The world’s top space agency has decided to lean into the discussion."
Hmm
Final para:
"The modern UAP story has been populated by quite an ensemble: lawmakers, defense officials, UFO activists, the Blink-182 rock star Tom DeLonge. Now the cast includes the world’s top space agency and its arsenal of sophisticated telescopes and space probes. NASA officials said they would make all of their findings available for anyone to see. No secrets! But that doesn’t mean that NASA will be able to control the public narrative surrounding this effort, or any discoveries. Once NASA starts talking about UFOs—well, like it or not, it’s a whole different conversation."
Can't we have another photo of a cup of coffee instead of this shit.
I'm also right about LAB LEAK
Remember when WHO reported that a "lab leak" was extremely unlikely? Remember when we were all banned from talking about it on social media for a year, because it is a "racist conspiracy theory"?
"Over two years after the coronavirus was first detected in China, the World Health Organization recommended in its strongest terms yet that a deeper investigation is required into whether a lab accident may be to blame"
Time Laundering: Leaving a story alone for enough time to become less inconvenient to whatever narrative was most important when it first surfaced.
Literally every major story in the US seems to have some aspect of this.
Man caught going to Supreme Justices house with intent to kill? nah that's not a story
yet
People need to start suing the arse off whoever is responsible for this lab. I believe it's the US isn't it?
It's China and the US together. With Britain loyally assisting in the subsequent cover-up. Fauci is deeply implicated
Which is why we will never know FOR SURE, it is not in the interests of the two most powerful nations on earth to allow this, and enough time has elapsed to ensure there can be no 100% proof. The evidence is gone
However, anyone with a functioning nervous system can now work out what happened
That’s for a court of law to decide. Sue them. Bankrupt both countries.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
I didn't realise you couldn't breathe in your house. I've been doing it all wrong.
You can breathe outside of your house too. Give it a try.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. As far as I'm aware for healthy people catching viruses intermittently is good for the immune system and being overprotective is not. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
"Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?"
Ummm: all the evidence is that the likelihood of transmission is a function of proximity, time and ventilation.
It's a matter of common courtesy to take basic precautions not to make other people sick.
Well, thoughts and prayers for the PB thickos who were blaming Liverpool fans around 6 to 9pm on Saturday the 28th of May.
France’s sports minister has written to Liverpool to apologise to fans about the events at the Champions League final in Paris and accepting that it could have brought back “painful memories” of the Hillsborough disaster.
Amélie Oudéa-Castéra also admitted there had been “several successive failures” by the French authorities at the Stade de France which led to thousands of fans being locked out and French riot police using tear gas often indiscriminately.
It is a significant climb-down by the minister who had initially claimed Liverpool were partly to blame for the mayhem, telling French radio station RTL soon after the final that the club failed to properly organise its supporters and that there was a “mass gathering” of 30,000-to-40,000 Liverpool fans without tickets outside the venue.
An official 30-page report commissioned by the French prime minister has on Friday accepted there were 1,644 fake tickets in the Liverpool end and a total of only 2,589. It also blames operational failures, poor signage, a lack of information and reduced train station facilities for the problems.
You're right, that is a tiny sample. Doesn't explain why many legitimate tickets bought from legitimate sources were being rejected as fake.
How do you know those ones are fake incidentally?
You're the only one still banging this drum of "fake tickets" rather than realising the problem was the authorities screwed up.
It is never the fault of the fans, esp not Scouse fans. There's any number of instances of people getting crushed to death twice in successive years at first class cricket matches, but no one mentions that
If all the fake tickets look the same, with the typographic errors shown in the two photos on this thread, then that surely points to a single seller of fake tickets and not a couple of thousand Scousers each designing their own.
Olaf Scholz had to go and apply for a passport and ID card in person because it was not possible online, the chancellor told the @republica digital conference in Berlin."
Scholz's original message to unify the coalition parties behind him was investing in the digital modernisation of Germany after the comfy porridge fog of Merkel. Events, natch.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Followed by plague and fire, you mean?n
And who is the Tumbledown Dick to Johnson's Oliver Cromwell?
Johnson is more Charles II, surely?
Duplicitous, serial love cheat, but jolly and entertaining.
Followed by the dour and humourless James II (who plays that role?) and then revolution.
Reading Thucydides because I am going to Syracuse tomorrow and it is quite clear Johnson is Alcibiades, the mutilation of the Herms pure bullingdon and the Sicilian expedition was Athens's Brexit
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Followed by plague and fire, you mean?
And who is the Tumbledown Dick to Johnson's Oliver Cromwell?
Johnson is more Charles II, surely?
Duplicitous, serial love cheat, but jolly and entertaining.
Followed by the dour and humourless James II (who plays that role?) and then revolution.
Except people aren't amused by BoJo any more.
And whilst Johnson is clearly a cavalier, he's also the only one who could have won the great decisive victory. He couldn't actually make the resulting settlement work, and went through increasingly drastic hirings and firings to make the unworkable workable.
The country only really moved on once he had departed the scene leaving a medicority to follow him.
If Remainers want to get us any nearer to the EU (eg inside the SM or some equivalent) they need to stop people like him from myopically typing away. Liars like Heseltine are a major reason we Brexited. If people like him had allowed an EARLIER referendum, the ultimate rupture would not have occurred
But, you know what, I don’t think Remoaners will be able to restrain themselves. They will all be like @Scott_xP and they will exultantly seize on any piece of bad news, they will violently abuse Leavers as stupid and racist, they will push outright for Rejoin rather than a compromise, and thus no compromise will be reached
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
I didn't realise you couldn't breathe in your house. I've been doing it all wrong.
You can breathe outside of your house too. Give it a try.
But why would I do that when I can get all the entertainment I ever wanted on PB?
If Remainers want to get us any nearer to the EU (eg inside the SM or some equivalent) they need to stop people like him from myopically typing away. Liars like Heseltine are a major reason we Brexited. If people like him had allowed an EARLIER referendum, the ultimate rupture would not have occurred
But, you know what, I don’t think Remoaners will be able to restrain themselves. They will all be like @Scott_xP and they will exultantly seize on any piece of bad news, they will violently abuse Leavers as stupid and racist, they will push outright for Rejoin rather than a compromise, and thus no compromise will be reached
The more I think about the war the more it feels like the sick fantasy of a dying man. The ludicrous attempts to Russify Kherson and Melitopol with flags and a new school curriculum. Surely anyone with half a brain can see this is doomed unless you want to engage in mass genocide and forced deportation? Such measures may of course simply lead to a faster and fiercer fight back. But is anyone prepared to tell the fantasist in the Kremlin how stupid this all is?
One of the most interesting things I've seen recently is that Russian forces are apparently abandoning checkpoints in Melitopol. You can't rule out the possibility of partisans forcing them to withdraw without the Ukrainian army needing to re-take the territory. After all it was largely a 'tactical withdrawal' in the north.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. As far as I'm aware for healthy people catching viruses intermittently is good for the immune system and being overprotective is not. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
"Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?"
Ummm: all the evidence is that the likelihood of transmission is a function of proximity, time and ventilation.
It's a matter of common courtesy to take basic precautions not to make other people sick.
But that would violate the basic principles of libertarianism. I got into an argument with BR, or on reflection someone else using a similar approach, about this a year or two back.
WE are not allowed to complain about him exerting his extremist libertarian rights and going out even when he is emitting viruses. Who cares if we feel shite and maybe die? "I'm all right, **** you Jack/Jill".
I think the logical flaw is that libertarians don't take into account their effects on other people. And that people can respond differently to how they do to e.g. a virus.
If Remainers want to get us any nearer to the EU (eg inside the SM or some equivalent) they need to stop people like him from myopically typing away. Liars like Heseltine are a major reason we Brexited. If people like him had allowed an EARLIER referendum, the ultimate rupture would not have occurred
But, you know what, I don’t think Remoaners will be able to restrain themselves. They will all be like @Scott_xP and they will exultantly seize on any piece of bad news, they will violently abuse Leavers as stupid and racist, they will push outright for Rejoin rather than a compromise, and thus no compromise will be reached
Violently abuse. Good gracious.
Not been on the end of this violent abuse then, I take it?
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Glorious rev 1688 akshly
Quite right. I can't see the Lord Protector being impressed with the comparison with Mr Johnson. In any case Mr Churchill, Mr J's hero, was descended from a courtier of Charles II and James VII/II. I'm reading the Holmes biog of Marlborough at the moment.
I always liked the story (probably apocryphal) about Marlborough - that he made quite a bit of money selling the plans of other allied generals to the French.
So that when he sold them his own plans (all done anonymously) they cheerfully bought the fakes…
So he made a fortune, lured the French to defeat and trashed his rivals reputations.
Also recall the famous aside of Lady Marlborough to a friend: “Today the Duke returned from The Wars, and pleasured me twice in his topboots”
"Finnish media labels Erdogan ‘dictator’ following censorship demands"
According to the Turkish news agency Anadolu, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s precondition for green-lighting Finland and Sweden’s NATO membership is that the countries’ public service broadcasters must stop conducting television interviews with “terrorist leaders.”
The Turkish president voiced his demands in a press conference on Wednesday (8 June) with his Venezuelan counterpart Nicolas Maduro.
“The world does not change by trying to harness the media and the freedom of speech,” said YLE news chief Jouko Jokinen on the YLE website.
Providing his support was also the Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto. “The Finnish Broadcasting Company, just like all media in the country, enjoys complete press freedom. That is of course something untouchable in Finland,” he said.
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Followed by plague and fire, you mean?n
And who is the Tumbledown Dick to Johnson's Oliver Cromwell?
Johnson is more Charles II, surely?
Duplicitous, serial love cheat, but jolly and entertaining.
Followed by the dour and humourless James II (who plays that role?) and then revolution.
Reading Thucydides because I am going to Syracuse tomorrow and it is quite clear Johnson is Alcibiades, the mutilation of the Herms pure bullingdon and the Sicilian expedition was Athens's Brexit
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. As far as I'm aware for healthy people catching viruses intermittently is good for the immune system and being overprotective is not. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
"Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?"
Ummm: all the evidence is that the likelihood of transmission is a function of proximity, time and ventilation.
It's a matter of common courtesy to take basic precautions not to make other people sick.
Common courtesy extends to washing your hands etc, not imprisoning yourself in your home every time you're under the weather.
If you were going on holiday and had a virus, would you refuse to go to the airport, voiding your holiday?
The more I think about it, it feels to me like the tories are in existential crisis. They could well be on the cusp of a "collapse of the liberal party" wipeout in the next general election. It is early 2019 revisited. Johnson's reinvention of the conservative party looks at the moment like it has completely failed. So, someone has to repeat what Johnson did in 2019, but with the first priority being to fix market credibility. It will be interesting to see what happens next. Time is short.
Maybe Penny can reinvent them as the caring but discliplined party. Attractive matron.
The main alternative, and favourite for the moment, is Hunt - comparatively a focus on pure professionalism. I'm not sure how far that would go, or how long it would necessarily last, though.
Risk with Hunt is not only do the Tories fail to win back any voters lost to Labour or the LDs but they also leak Leavers back to RefUK and end up on the 20 to 25% they were on before May resigned and even worse than the 33% they are on now
Farage would likely return to lead RefUK if Hunt replaced Boris as Tory leader and PM
No he wouldn't. Why are you worrying about Leavers? We've left!
Hunt/Mordaunt/Wallace need to calm the Blue wall without frightening the RedWall. It's a tough balance to achieve, but at present Johnson has pissed off both sets of voters.
Hunt would likely try and return to May's Brexit Deal again, that would inevitably see some Tory Leavers leak to Farage and RefUK
No he wouldn't.
You primarily need to steady the nerves of Surrey voters and their ilk. They would prefer a softer redial of Brexit. Hunt does that for you.
Your RedWall are currently concerned with the economy. You sell the Single Market to them as a means of improving the economy whilst retaining their newly minted sovereignty. You say selected Europeans can then come in to do the jobs they don't want to do, but explain it wouldn't be the free for all that Labour would allow (even if that is a white lie). Hunt could do that for you.
You tell Farage and the ERG to **** off! Nobody likes them any more.
Personally I'd like to see the back of the Conservatives for a decade. The longer Johnson remains, the more likely I suspect that becomes a reality.
Reopen free movement which return to the single market requires and the redwall is lost to the Tories for good.
Farage also would be even more certain to return than with a return to May's Deal
Farage and the Tories would split what was left of the Tory vote after Johnson between them. Canada's Conservatives in 1993 would beckon.
The Tories are never going to get less than about 165 seats (as they won in 1997 and 2001). The Canadian Conservatives were reduced to 2 seats in 1993. Not much of a comparison.
If Farage's party overtook them, like Reform overtook the Canadian Tories in 1993 they would.
See also the Les Republicains collapse in France as it has lost support to Le Pen and Zemmour as well as Macron
No party led by Farage is ever going to overtake either the Tories or Labour - and probably not even the Lib Dems - in a GE. The best they can do is steal votes from them but even they they won't translate into seats. The dynamic simply isn't there.
If the Tories went for a policy to rejoin the EU or return to the single market and full free movement they might.
Before May went in Spring 2019 the Brexit Party were near neck and neck with the Tories in some polls. Until Johnson was elected Tory leader the Brexit Party even overtook the Tories in a few polls.
At the 2015 General Election UKIP got more votes than the LDs if not more seats
That was all then. This is now. This is the mistake you always make. You never look at the small print.
It says:
"'Past performance does not guarantee future results' "
You ned a big sign stating this over your computer.
If the Tories elected a leader committed to rejoining the EU they would get about 10% of the vote, the rest would defect to Farage's Party which would get about 30%.
Though that is near impossible to foresee given Tory members would vote against any pro EU leadership candidate unless Tory MPs committed suicide and gave a coronation to such a candidate
I am ever so grateful there are saner voices in the conservative party
You are clever in some ways but utterly stupid in others
Farage at 30% - really
This is one of your stupid posts
In the 2019 European elections the Tories got 9% and Farage's Brexit Party got 31% after May failed to deliver Brexit.
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
With respect, I suggest the publics view of the 'advantages' of Brexit is changing. S lowly, perhaps, but it is.
I wonder what would happen if polls started showing, consistently, 65% Rejoin over 35% Stay Out
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Rejoining would be the 21st century answer to the Restoration of 1660.
Followed by plague and fire, you mean?
And who is the Tumbledown Dick to Johnson's Oliver Cromwell?
Johnson is more Charles II, surely?
Duplicitous, serial love cheat, but jolly and entertaining.
Followed by the dour and humourless James II (who plays that role?) and then revolution.
Except people aren't amused by BoJo any more.
And whilst Johnson is clearly a cavalier, he's also the only one who could have won the great decisive victory. He couldn't actually make the resulting settlement work, and went through increasingly drastic hirings and firings to make the unworkable workable.
The country only really moved on once he had departed the scene leaving a medicority to follow him.
Mr Johnson, on that reading, IS Charles II, with Mr Gove as his Monck/Albemarle. The Restoration Settlement had unanswered conflicts which were only resolved by the second revolution of 1688. And people stopped being amused by the Merry Monarch well before he died - especially after plague and war, and the Stop on the Exchequer.
Edit: the 'great decisive victory' is then the counter-revolution of 1660.
My children both had a second round if it a couple of weeks back. 24 hours of high temp (just shy of 104F for one of them), and 10 days before a clear LFT. Daughter was staying with us, but we managed to avoid getting it by being very careful.
The ten days is commonplace even when symptoms have disappeared. These days, it's symptoms that determine isolation, not testing.
Not if you want to avoid catching it. A positive LFT means you are very likely still infectious, whatever the isolation rules.
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus. (Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
Why's it important to you? You have tickets, use the tickets.
You ever been to the theatre when you had flu ?
No, because I've never had the flu when I had theatre tickets.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Because in a theatre I would be surrounded by tens of people in very close proximity to me for several hours. I wouldn't go if I had influenza (or even a heavy cold) either.
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. As far as I'm aware for healthy people catching viruses intermittently is good for the immune system and being overprotective is not. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
"Airborne viruses spread, it's what they do. So what if there's people in close proximity?"
Ummm: all the evidence is that the likelihood of transmission is a function of proximity, time and ventilation.
It's a matter of common courtesy to take basic precautions not to make other people sick.
Common courtesy extends to washing your hands etc, not imprisoning yourself in your home every time you're under the weather.
If you were going on holiday and had a virus, would you refuse to go to the airport, voiding your holiday?
Oh yes, the "covid is only a cold" excuse for ****ing up other people's lives and maybe killing them, just to avoid any inconvenience.
I'm hesitant to speak up for the French on here, but isn't it to their credit that their Sports Minister has given a fulsome apology to Liverpool fans, and that they have completed a report, rather swiftly, that admits to multiple serious failures in overseeing the game?
If I really tried, I could imagine some governments would find it much harder fessing up to such cock-ups, especially if they had denied all wrongdoing at the time of the event.
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My combined standing charges are now £324 a year before using a single watt of electricity or any gas.
That is going to be devastating to people on a low income.
As this immunologist points out.
https://mobile.twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1533669140967350272
There's some correlation between the speed of the test reaction (and red line thickness) and the amount of active virus present, though hard to quantify exactly, but a positive LFT necessarily means the presence of active virus.
(Unlike PCR.)
Important to me in this case, as I had RSC tickets...
If the Tories were stupid enough to elect a leader committed to rejoin the EU now those figures would be replicated at a general election too
Well yes. Because with football tickets, in a best of all possible world scenario, you might sell 1,000 or 1,500 fakes (i.e. 2% of all the tickets in existence) and make - say - £1m profit.
With £20 notes, there are £44bn worth in circulation. If you were to just print off 0.1% of the number in circulation, you would have made yourself rather a lot more money.
There wouldn't have been problems this time had the security handled things properly. I've had my (entirely legitimate) ticket scan as illegitimate once before. We were swiftly escorted out of the queue and into the security office in order for it to be resolved rather than holding the line up or getting tear gassed.
Nobody else except maybe the people immediately behind me in line then would have been aware there was an issue when my ticket was initially rejected, which is how it should be.
I would go. Or if I had Covid, why miss it, unless you're too sick to go?
Was worried for a sec our international peace agreement might get in the way.
https://twitter.com/MatthewOToole2/status/1535287560070746114
https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1535258941520855048
It's the Regan line, "dance with the one who brung ya". For better or for worse, a fair chunk of the Conservative vote in 2019 was no compromise Brexit backers. A party interested in compromise would have retained and expelled a different mix of MPs in autumn 2019.
All I can advise now is to not start from here.
I was talking about avoiding an unpleasant experience, are you're still wondering why...
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1535288463825719296
My ticket was from the UEFA collection point at the ground.
The rozzer at first said it was a fake without scanning it.
If genuine tickets are getting classed as fake then that 1,644 figure is bollocks.
I have given evidence that there were Liverpool fans with fake tickets.
@polit_pro_polls
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CDU/CSU: 30% (+2)
Die Grünen: 21% (+2)
SPD: 18% (-2)
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A Russian rocket artillery position was completely obliterated by the Ukrainian 40th Artillery Brigade - at least 13 vehicles were destroyed including 6 BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers, and supply trucks.
https://mobile.twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1535286866379157504
Note the small overall scale - a handful of admissions, even over the entire of England.
On the theory that laughter is at least a good medicine, here's a cartoon I thinkyou might like:
https://condenaststore.com/featured/trust-me-son-lars-kenseth.html
Come to mention it, if I had syphilis (easily treated with antibiotics), I wouldn't go around having unprotected sex with people*.
* Yes, yes, I know this relies on the unlikely scenario of lots of people wanting to have sex with me.
- ONS says cases are up somewhat
- Some increase in hospital admissions
- Number in hospital flatfish as is MV beds.
- Deaths are continuing to fall.
"At the foot of the climb, I saw a sign warning motorists not stop their cars and approach bears on the road. That wasn’t super comforting for a person travelling 5-6 mph uphill. The ranger station was close by so I popped in to ask if any bears had been seen on the road recently.
Ranger: “Well, there was a gizzly sow with two cubs spotted about ten days ago, but we think she’s hunting elk in the lowlands now. Do you have bear spray?”
Me: “Um, no”
Ranger: “Well just make a lot of noise”
Me: “OK”
Thankfully, I didn’t see a bear, but I did spend the 8 mile grind talking loudly to myself. Kind of therapeutic in a way. . . .
Continuing on, the route wandered a high snowy plateau. I stopped to slather on more sunscreen, look up when done, and saw Stefan from Austria across the road going the opposite direction. He’s killing it. Five weeks from NYC to Togwotee! Against the wind! We compared notes because our routes are a lot alike.
A short time later I reached the Continental Divide! Big woohoo! As I was taking pictures, two Belgian cyclsts rolled up. They are doing the Great Divide Mountain Bike Trail south to north. We didn’t chat long. I didn’t get their names. The Divide is a huge milestone for me. I was happy to begin a nine mile downhill.
Tailwinds pushed me the whole day, from leaving the campsite, to the grind up the pass and now the really built up for a strong push down the Wind River Valley. I was cycling 25 mph on the flats which is crazy for me. I hope the wind gods are with me through the rest of the trip.
I reached Dubois at 4:30. Crazy for a 74 mile day with a big hill. There aren’t any public campgrounds near here and the KOA charges $58 for a tent site so I got a hotel. Once I again, I found a reasonable but unique old place, The Twin Pines Lodge. I ate at the Cowboy Cafe which the camp host at Jenny Lake told me about. I had buffalo meatloaf and nutella pecan pie for desert because I deserve it."
That's for sure!
The ticket on the left is real.
PS An account here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3959940/
That's the place for stories about people doing monumental bike journies.
FWIW I think this is quite unlikely. There is a big difference between Remorse and Rejoin. But I no longer think it impossible
Seems long ago but remember how media reacted and government swung into action when deaths first reached this number.
Guide : "Did you bring the kukri you bought in Katmandu?"
Me : "No, why?"
Guide: {Pick up a chunk of wood) "The ranger says that there is a tiger 20 feet away in the long grass. Don't worry."
All good then 👍🏻
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/06/the-secretive-libyan-prisons-that-keep-migrants-out-of-europe
Unless we went for PR, the Tories would face extinction under FPTP therefore with a rejoin leader
@doberah
Olaf Scholz had to go and apply for a passport and ID card in person because it was not possible online, the chancellor told the @republica digital conference in Berlin."
https://mobile.twitter.com/doberah/status/1534984045582483457
I'm not sure how many big football matches you've been to, I've been to a few and there's always an outer cordon where ticket holders have their tickets checked by eye and then the inside that it's ticket holders only. The reason the holograms exist on these kinds of tickets is to help the stewards at the outer cordon who don't have scanners to easily spot people with fakes.
By not having the hologram UEFA took away this security layer and unsurprisingly a bunch of shysters with reasonably decent fake tickets were selling them just outside the outer cordon and some fans attempted to print their own. They got past the outer cordon easily and that's why there were all of these issues at the entry gates with people who had either been conned or were trying to con their way into the game making it impossible for legitimate ticket holders to get in.
It was a UEFA fuck up and it looks as though the head of UEFA just got his gym buddy to take over as head of security despite being a complete novice and unsuitable for the job.
Anyway, it’s my round. Cheers 🙃
Football is so fucked administratively. I guess it successfully generates so much money people don’t care about the governance - until something like this
A bit like China, before Zero Covid
I’m in the best Khinkali joint in Tbilisi. Which, weirdly, is on Freedom Square. It’s like finding the best paella in Catalonia right on Las Ramblas
And who is the Tumbledown Dick to Johnson's Oliver Cromwell?
At least one country is going to have a major diplomatic incident with the hosts of the World Cup.
Missing a show I was looking forward to would be more worrisome than lines on a test.
Absolutely no reason not to go to a show with flu, or covid, or any other airborne virus. There'll inevitably be many carriers of airborne viruses within any large crowded audience.
I hope your experience is bright
She's a serial liar as is her boss.
Is there really nothing anyone can do about these people?
Seriously, though, yes James VII and John Churchill (but not Chas II or Noll Cromwell ...) were indeed on her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Gloucester_(1654)
Duplicitous, serial love cheat, but jolly and entertaining.
Followed by the dour and humourless James II (who plays that role?) and then revolution.
Anyone who is immunocompromised and doesn't want to catch a virus would be wise to avoid any crowd. As far as I'm aware for healthy people catching viruses intermittently is good for the immune system and being overprotective is not. Any crowded event will inevitably have people there with airborne viruses.
Having sex with someone when you have an STI is a very different thing to breathing.
So that when he sold them his own plans (all done anonymously) they cheerfully bought the fakes…
So he made a fortune, lured the French to defeat and trashed his rivals reputations.
Edit: both also much more interested in the RN than the current administration.
Ummm: all the evidence is that the likelihood of transmission is a function of proximity, time and ventilation.
It's a matter of common courtesy to take basic precautions not to make other people sick.
And whilst Johnson is clearly a cavalier, he's also the only one who could have won the great decisive victory. He couldn't actually make the resulting settlement work, and went through increasingly drastic hirings and firings to make the unworkable workable.
The country only really moved on once he had departed the scene leaving a medicority to follow him.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/10/rupert-murdoch-press-brexit-eu?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
If Remainers want to get us any nearer to the EU (eg inside the SM or some equivalent) they need to stop people like him from myopically typing away. Liars like Heseltine are a major reason we Brexited. If people like him had allowed an EARLIER referendum, the ultimate rupture would not have occurred
But, you know what, I don’t think Remoaners will be able to restrain themselves. They will all be like @Scott_xP and they will exultantly seize on any piece of bad news, they will violently abuse Leavers as stupid and racist, they will push outright for Rejoin rather than a compromise, and thus no compromise will be reached
One of the most interesting things I've seen recently is that Russian forces are apparently abandoning checkpoints in Melitopol. You can't rule out the possibility of partisans forcing them to withdraw without the Ukrainian army needing to re-take the territory. After all it was largely a 'tactical withdrawal' in the north.
WE are not allowed to complain about him exerting his extremist libertarian rights and going out even when he is emitting viruses. Who cares if we feel shite and maybe die? "I'm all right, **** you Jack/Jill".
I think the logical flaw is that libertarians don't take into account their effects on other people. And that people can respond differently to how they do to e.g. a virus.
According to the Turkish news agency Anadolu, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s precondition for green-lighting Finland and Sweden’s NATO membership is that the countries’ public service broadcasters must stop conducting television interviews with “terrorist leaders.”
The Turkish president voiced his demands in a press conference on Wednesday (8 June) with his Venezuelan counterpart Nicolas Maduro.
“The world does not change by trying to harness the media and the freedom of speech,” said YLE news chief Jouko Jokinen on the YLE website.
Providing his support was also the Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto. “The Finnish Broadcasting Company, just like all media in the country, enjoys complete press freedom. That is of course something untouchable in Finland,” he said.
If you were going on holiday and had a virus, would you refuse to go to the airport, voiding your holiday?
Edit: the 'great decisive victory' is then the counter-revolution of 1660.
If I really tried, I could imagine some governments would find it much harder fessing up to such cock-ups, especially if they had denied all wrongdoing at the time of the event.