rcs100 said: "Personally, I think the country which did things best was Denmark."
A good argument can be made for that conclusion (and I would say that, even if I didn't have a Danish grandmother), but you may want to check some of the details in your post. According to Worldometers, both Norway (557) and Finland (771) had lower death rates per million than Denmark (1078). Two US states, Hawaii (1013) and Vermont (1038) also had slightly lower rates.
Am I the only PBer who things we were too late to lock down for lockdowns 1 and 2, but too late to unlock for lockdowns 1, 2 and 3?
Too late to start for 1 & far too late for 2 with no excuse. Too late to unlock on 2, but not 1.
3 was pointless because it was too weak a lockdown to have any positive effect.
Pretty much.
I also think the vaccine strategy was excellent; PPE procurement a disaster; government comms appalling; and I still think eat out to help out was a good idea.
We took the keys to our new restaurant 2 weeks before lockdown and had already planned to do home deliveries; which we continued for a long time after we could in theory have opened, because we figured pivoting in and out of opening would kill us - so Eat Out To Help Out didn't make any difference to us. Speaking to other friends in the industry, it didn't seem to do much for them either. It was VAT and then pent up demand that saved them.
On the other hand, produce quadrupling in price, as VAT also goes back up, and NI rises... That's killing the industry now.
Oh I didn’t know you were in hospitality. Interesting. How is the labour shortage?
I'm only in hospitality because I make money in tech!
The labour shortage is chronic, though.
It is the same EVERYWHERE
In the last month i have been to the UK, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Turkey, and now Greece - islands and mainland. Everywhere all the hoteliers and restaurateurs say the same: Where have all the staff gone?
Plenty of business. People are desperate to travel. But Nobody to do the fetching and waiting and carrying…
I feel certain that Nicola’s strategy was often based on simply trying to embarrass HMG, and some of the Welsh rules were just fucking mental, as in “in what parallel universe does a government really think this makes sense”.
And yet voters in Scotland (& Wales afaIaa) tend to differ from your opinion on the whole. Must be the one party state media propagandising the poor saps.
The consistent public support for greater controls across the country (and I think in the US and other places too) mystified and terrified me.
We were fed a message to see others as a threat - that anyone breaking the rules must be a danger. And thus rules must be good, so lets have more please as the daily figure pump eagerly tweeted at 4 by the media added to the sense of panic. I mean grown humans bleating 'my mask protects you, your mask protects me' was next level dystopian bullshittery
rcs100 said: "Personally, I think the country which did things best was Denmark."
A good argument can be made for that conclusion (and I would say that, even if I didn't have a Danish grandmother), but you may want to check some of the details in your post. According to Worldometers, both Norway (557) and Finland (771) had lower death rates per million than Denmark (1078). Two US states, Hawaii (1013) and Vermont (1038) also had slightly lower rates.
The whole point is, of course, that boiling everything down to that single metric was the problem from day one.
Are fans allowed to take flares to football games?
No. But it never stops them. I was at a NL game a few weeks ago, crowd of 2500 ish, and there were multiple flares there, including one that ended up in the pitch.
rcs100 said: "Personally, I think the country which did things best was Denmark."
A good argument can be made for that conclusion (and I would say that, even if I didn't have a Danish grandmother), but you may want to check some of the details in your post. According to Worldometers, both Norway (557) and Finland (771) had lower death rates per million than Denmark (1078). Two US states, Hawaii (1013) and Vermont (1038) also had slightly lower rates.
That isn't the only measure that's important. Things like how long schools were closed need to be taken into account as well.
Am I the only PBer who things we were too late to lock down for lockdowns 1 and 2, but too late to unlock for lockdowns 1, 2 and 3?
Too late to start for 1 & far too late for 2 with no excuse. Too late to unlock on 2, but not 1.
3 was pointless because it was too weak a lockdown to have any positive effect.
Pretty much.
I also think the vaccine strategy was excellent; PPE procurement a disaster; government comms appalling; and I still think eat out to help out was a good idea.
We took the keys to our new restaurant 2 weeks before lockdown and had already planned to do home deliveries; which we continued for a long time after we could in theory have opened, because we figured pivoting in and out of opening would kill us - so Eat Out To Help Out didn't make any difference to us. Speaking to other friends in the industry, it didn't seem to do much for them either. It was VAT and then pent up demand that saved them.
On the other hand, produce quadrupling in price, as VAT also goes back up, and NI rises... That's killing the industry now.
Oh I didn’t know you were in hospitality. Interesting. How is the labour shortage?
I'm only in hospitality because I make money in tech!
The labour shortage is chronic, though.
It is the same EVERYWHERE
In the last month i have been to the UK, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Turkey, and now Greece - islands and mainland. Everywhere all the hoteliers and restaurateurs say the same: Where have all the staff gone?
Plenty of business. People are desperate to travel. But Nobody to do the fetching and waiting and carrying…
People in low wage jobs tend not to be up for suddenly moving professions. Caution about change seems to be a common theme.
COVID forced people to change. Many have found better jobs.
rcs100 said: "Personally, I think the country which did things best was Denmark."
A good argument can be made for that conclusion (and I would say that, even if I didn't have a Danish grandmother), but you may want to check some of the details in your post. According to Worldometers, both Norway (557) and Finland (771) had lower death rates per million than Denmark (1078). Two US states, Hawaii (1013) and Vermont (1038) also had slightly lower rates.
Ummm: on the excess deaths metric, Denmark has basically had zero.
I've not been keeping up, has Trump polished up the turd of his reponse to Putin & Ukraine yet? Be interesting to see if he does run again how these people contort their way back to supporting him, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
rcs100 said: "Personally, I think the country which did things best was Denmark."
A good argument can be made for that conclusion (and I would say that, even if I didn't have a Danish grandmother), but you may want to check some of the details in your post. According to Worldometers, both Norway (557) and Finland (771) had lower death rates per million than Denmark (1078). Two US states, Hawaii (1013) and Vermont (1038) also had slightly lower rates.
That isn't the only measure that's important. Things like how long schools were closed need to be taken into account as well.
The people of Denmark seem to be very happy with their government's response:
I've not been keeping up, has Trump polished up the turd of his reponse to Putin & Ukraine yet? Be interesting to see if he does run again how these people contort their way back to supporting him, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Trump did say if he was still President he would have threatened to nuke Russia only just over a month ago.
As he said “We say, ’Oh, he’s a nuclear power.’ But we’re a greater nuclear power. We have the greatest submarines in the world, the most powerful machines ever built…. You should say, ‘Look, if you mention that word one more time, we’re going to send them over and we’ll be coasting back and forth, up and down your coast. You can’t let this tragedy continue. You can’t let these, these thousands of people die.”
I feel certain that Nicola’s strategy was often based on simply trying to embarrass HMG, and some of the Welsh rules were just fucking mental, as in “in what parallel universe does a government really think this makes sense”.
And yet voters in Scotland (& Wales afaIaa) tend to differ from your opinion on the whole. Must be the one party state media propagandising the poor saps.
The consistent public support for greater controls across the country (and I think in the US and other places too) mystified and terrified me.
We were fed a message to see others as a threat - that anyone breaking the rules must be a danger. And thus rules must be good, so lets have more please as the daily figure pump eagerly tweeted at 4 by the media added to the sense of panic. I mean grown humans bleating 'my mask protects you, your mask protects me' was next level dystopian bullshittery
Although from a straight technical perspective that is absolutely correct: wearing a mask, if you have Covid, dramatically reduces the chance you will give it to someone else.
rcs100 said: "Personally, I think the country which did things best was Denmark."
A good argument can be made for that conclusion (and I would say that, even if I didn't have a Danish grandmother), but you may want to check some of the details in your post. According to Worldometers, both Norway (557) and Finland (771) had lower death rates per million than Denmark (1078). Two US states, Hawaii (1013) and Vermont (1038) also had slightly lower rates.
Ummm: on the excess deaths metric, Denmark has basically had zero.
I feel certain that Nicola’s strategy was often based on simply trying to embarrass HMG, and some of the Welsh rules were just fucking mental, as in “in what parallel universe does a government really think this makes sense”.
And yet voters in Scotland (& Wales afaIaa) tend to differ from your opinion on the whole. Must be the one party state media propagandising the poor saps.
The consistent public support for greater controls across the country (and I think in the US and other places too) mystified and terrified me.
We were fed a message to see others as a threat - that anyone breaking the rules must be a danger. And thus rules must be good, so lets have more please as the daily figure pump eagerly tweeted at 4 by the media added to the sense of panic. I mean grown humans bleating 'my mask protects you, your mask protects me' was next level dystopian bullshittery
Although from a straight technical perspective that is absolutely correct: wearing a mask, if you have Covid, dramatically reduces the chance you will give it to someone else.
Technical correctness is nothing in the face of a squirmy feeling in my tum tum when I see people wearing masks.
You know, Twitter's also burning quite a lot of cash. If Musk can't turn it around quickly, he's going to need to find more money after he purchases it to keep the lights on.
I thought they must have figured out how to make money from it by now, are they still not managing?
rcs100 said: "Personally, I think the country which did things best was Denmark."
A good argument can be made for that conclusion (and I would say that, even if I didn't have a Danish grandmother), but you may want to check some of the details in your post. According to Worldometers, both Norway (557) and Finland (771) had lower death rates per million than Denmark (1078). Two US states, Hawaii (1013) and Vermont (1038) also had slightly lower rates.
That isn't the only measure that's important. Things like how long schools were closed need to be taken into account as well.
I've not been keeping up, has Trump polished up the turd of his reponse to Putin & Ukraine yet? Be interesting to see if he does run again how these people contort their way back to supporting him, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Where they cannot polish a turd, they just pretend they cannot smell it. Or that Biden's is smellier.
I've not been keeping up, has Trump polished up the turd of his reponse to Putin & Ukraine yet? Be interesting to see if he does run again how these people contort their way back to supporting him, but I'm sure they'll find a way.
Trump did say if he was still President he would have threatened to nuke Russia only just over a month ago.
As he said “We say, ’Oh, he’s a nuclear power.’ But we’re a greater nuclear power. We have the greatest submarines in the world, the most powerful machines ever built…. You should say, ‘Look, if you mention that word one more time, we’re going to send them over and we’ll be coasting back and forth, up and down your coast. You can’t let this tragedy continue. You can’t let these, these thousands of people die.”
I feel certain that Nicola’s strategy was often based on simply trying to embarrass HMG, and some of the Welsh rules were just fucking mental, as in “in what parallel universe does a government really think this makes sense”.
And yet voters in Scotland (& Wales afaIaa) tend to differ from your opinion on the whole. Must be the one party state media propagandising the poor saps.
The consistent public support for greater controls across the country (and I think in the US and other places too) mystified and terrified me.
We were fed a message to see others as a threat - that anyone breaking the rules must be a danger. And thus rules must be good, so lets have more please as the daily figure pump eagerly tweeted at 4 by the media added to the sense of panic. I mean grown humans bleating 'my mask protects you, your mask protects me' was next level dystopian bullshittery
Although from a straight technical perspective that is absolutely correct: wearing a mask, if you have Covid, dramatically reduces the chance you will give it to someone else.
A decent mask, yes, but the best masks are not designed for use of long periods or in day to day environments. Fashion cloths, not so much. Then the question becomes how much transmission is by people exhibiting no symptoms as anyone symptomatic shouldn't be in a mask, they should be at home. Ironically one place masks were not mandated, the home, would have had more of an effect as that's s primary vector of transmission. But that would just be silly. So we 'protected' people we had a 5 second encounter with and went home to infect our loved ones.
I see Neil Parish is considering standing as an Independent in the Tiverton & Honiton by-election.
Obviously, were he to stand against an official Conservative candidate, he'd be expelled from the Party but I wonder if this could be a CCHQ ploy as they tried in Richmond Park when Goldsmith quit over the third runaway at LHR.
Could it really be the Conservatives won't contest the seat - let Parish fight the LDs - if he loses, too bad but if he wins, it stops the LDs in their tracks and Parish can be re-admitted to the Conservative Party a few weeks down the road.
@ObserverUK poll shows Labour’s lead edging up slightly from 2 points to 3.
Con 34% (n/c) Lab 37% (+1) Lib Dem 12% (+2) Green 7% (-1)
I predict Twitter is already awash with people saying opiniums new methodology means this is actually plus 10 labour and that they only put out this new methodology figure because ummmmm stuff but at the same time 'plus 1 shows beergate had no effect'
The LDs were consistently sound on Covid. Nobody noticed, though.
I did, actually. I gave them credit throughout, which was a weird experience. Whether it was opposition for opposition's sake, or - finally - some principled liberalism, it was reassuring to hear someone express some scepticism at the powers that the state was acquiring for itself. Well done them.
Mail has found the woman who got the retrospective Durham fine for the balloon event and invited her to go in two footed on SKS for beergate which she has eagerly gone for.
Fact that most Americans support supporting Ukraine in defending itself against Russian invasion, does NOT mean that it will be THE key issue for most US voters in the 2022 midterms OR 2024 presidential. Or even in the top tier of voting concerns. EXCEPT perhaps for impacts on inflation and cost of living.
Isn't the situation pretty similar in UK? Seems that way based on bath the Tories took in recent locals, despite PM's high-profile in front rank of pro-Ukrainian world leaders since the invasion?
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A good argument can be made for that conclusion (and I would say that, even if I didn't have a Danish grandmother), but you may want to check some of the details in your post. According to Worldometers, both Norway (557) and Finland (771) had lower death rates per million than Denmark (1078). Two US states, Hawaii (1013) and Vermont (1038) also had slightly lower rates.
In the last month i have been to the UK, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Turkey, and now Greece - islands and mainland. Everywhere all the hoteliers and restaurateurs say the same: Where have all the staff gone?
Plenty of business. People are desperate to travel. But Nobody to do the fetching and waiting and carrying…
I mean grown humans bleating 'my mask protects you, your mask protects me' was next level dystopian bullshittery
COVID forced people to change. Many have found better jobs.
See either OWID (https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid), the FT or the Economist.
They also were the first developed country to see their economy recover to pre-Covid levels (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CLVMNACSCAB1GQDK), and their unemployment rate showed similarly positive trends (https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark/unemployment-rate).
And they did this while balancing their budget.
As he said “We say, ’Oh, he’s a nuclear power.’ But we’re a greater nuclear power. We have the greatest submarines in the world, the most powerful machines ever built…. You should say, ‘Look, if you mention that word one more time, we’re going to send them over and we’ll be coasting back and forth, up and down your coast. You can’t let this tragedy continue. You can’t let these, these thousands of people die.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/donald-trump-russia-nuclear-submarines
Amazingly, it works.
Ironically one place masks were not mandated, the home, would have had more of an effect as that's s primary vector of transmission. But that would just be silly. So we 'protected' people we had a 5 second encounter with and went home to infect our loved ones.
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poll shows Labour’s lead edging up slightly from 2 points to 3.
Con 34% (n/c)
Lab 37% (+1)
Lib Dem 12% (+2)
Green 7% (-1)
I see Neil Parish is considering standing as an Independent in the Tiverton & Honiton by-election.
Obviously, were he to stand against an official Conservative candidate, he'd be expelled from the Party but I wonder if this could be a CCHQ ploy as they tried in Richmond Park when Goldsmith quit over the third runaway at LHR.
Could it really be the Conservatives won't contest the seat - let Parish fight the LDs - if he loses, too bad but if he wins, it stops the LDs in their tracks and Parish can be re-admitted to the Conservative Party a few weeks down the road.
Whether it was opposition for opposition's sake, or - finally - some principled liberalism, it was reassuring to hear someone express some scepticism at the powers that the state was acquiring for itself. Well done them.
Isn't the situation pretty similar in UK? Seems that way based on bath the Tories took in recent locals, despite PM's high-profile in front rank of pro-Ukrainian world leaders since the invasion?
Just laid Ukraine @ 1.37
Too short, imo.