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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622
    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why is Russian TV so obsessed with nuking the UK?

    Because 384 warheads are rather less than 3750 and they think they might not survive being hit by the latter number?
    Quite so. We are sitting here thinking, if Russia unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, do we pretend we care enough to retaliate? I am absolutely confident that the average Joe in the USA is thinking, if they nuke London...
    I live in the USA and follow politics here closely. Unless Trump is in charge, there is absolute zero percent chance that the US would respond to a nuke on London with anything less than full nuclear attacks on every Russian city.
    What about Birmingham (UK)?
    Same same. The UK is highly admired by Americans on both sides of the fence.
    "Unless Trump is in charge,"

    Not exactly reassuring given what will happen in Jan 2025.
    I think people are overstating the chance Trump gets re-elected. I know people who voted for Trump twice that won't vote for him again.
    I hope you're right, but I don't feel very optimistic about it, expecially given how much some Dems dislike Biden, and yet there's no one obviously better placed to unify them next time.
    Buttigieg remains my tip for 2024
    Somehow though he needs to get past the Dem primary where black voters are significant and as a group they seem to really not like Buttigieg. Maybe next time will be different.

    Dems really are in a mess. Harris is hopeless and cannot be nominee. Biden is clearly too old, but who will tell him. Trump will run on the economy which is now a mess compared to his time in office. Looks like an easy win at the moment but two years to go.

    The elephant in the room is Buttigieg is gay. That shouldn’t matter but it will in the swing states you need to win . I like him , think he’s a great speaker , served his country , in ordinary circumstances he looks a good candidate but I just can’t see the USA electing a gay President .
    Would have agreed with you before legalization of gay marriage. But not after. And seems trans in the new gay.

    At least as important to Buttigieg's future availability for POTUS will be how well AND soon Biden infrastructure program gets implimented (mostly by grants to states & localities) and how well.
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,890
    The DM still flogging a dead horse .

    Now we’re down to whether Starmer and others ordered an Indian take away on the infamous night of the beer !
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,622

    MrEd said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why is Russian TV so obsessed with nuking the UK?

    Because 384 warheads are rather less than 3750 and they think they might not survive being hit by the latter number?
    Quite so. We are sitting here thinking, if Russia unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, do we pretend we care enough to retaliate? I am absolutely confident that the average Joe in the USA is thinking, if they nuke London...
    I live in the USA and follow politics here closely. Unless Trump is in charge, there is absolute zero percent chance that the US would respond to a nuke on London with anything less than full nuclear attacks on every Russian city.
    What about Birmingham (UK)?
    Same same. The UK is highly admired by Americans on both sides of the fence.
    "Unless Trump is in charge,"

    Not exactly reassuring given what will happen in Jan 2025.
    I think people are overstating the chance Trump gets re-elected. I know people who voted for Trump twice that won't vote for him again.
    I hope you're right, but I don't feel very optimistic about it, expecially given how much some Dems dislike Biden, and yet there's no one obviously better placed to unify them next time.
    Buttigieg remains my tip for 2024
    Somehow though he needs to get past the Dem primary where black voters are significant and as a group they seem to really not like Buttigieg. Maybe next time will be different.

    Dems really are in a mess. Harris is hopeless and cannot be nominee. Biden is clearly too old, but who will tell him. Trump will run on the economy which is now a mess compared to his time in office. Looks like an easy win at the moment but two years to go.

    The elephant in the room is Buttigieg is gay. That shouldn’t matter but it will in the swing states you need to win . I like him , think he’s a great speaker , served his country , in ordinary circumstances he looks a good candidate but I just can’t see the USA electing a gay President .
    What will do Buttigieg in is not his gayness but (1) he’s a white guy probably trying to upstage a black woman in the Democrat primaries, (2) he took time off for parental leave when the US faced a supply chain crisis - American electorates don’t want their politicians neglecting their duties and (3) he’s not been a great Transportation Sec (name one achievement).
    His biggest problem is his complete lack of charisma. If he weren't gay he wouldn't get the same coverage.
    Helped years ago get first Asian American governor elected governor outside Hawaii, Gary Locke. HIS charisma consisted of being your stereotypical All-American boy, eagle scout and all - but with a difference: his race.

    Buttigieg has the same kind of charisma going for him. Also think the "Black people don't like him"is over-blown. Was more like they preferred Biden. And now he's backing Joe big-time in the cabinet.
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    MrEd said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why is Russian TV so obsessed with nuking the UK?

    Because 384 warheads are rather less than 3750 and they think they might not survive being hit by the latter number?
    Quite so. We are sitting here thinking, if Russia unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, do we pretend we care enough to retaliate? I am absolutely confident that the average Joe in the USA is thinking, if they nuke London...
    I live in the USA and follow politics here closely. Unless Trump is in charge, there is absolute zero percent chance that the US would respond to a nuke on London with anything less than full nuclear attacks on every Russian city.
    What about Birmingham (UK)?
    Same same. The UK is highly admired by Americans on both sides of the fence.
    "Unless Trump is in charge,"

    Not exactly reassuring given what will happen in Jan 2025.
    I think people are overstating the chance Trump gets re-elected. I know people who voted for Trump twice that won't vote for him again.
    I hope you're right, but I don't feel very optimistic about it, expecially given how much some Dems dislike Biden, and yet there's no one obviously better placed to unify them next time.
    Buttigieg remains my tip for 2024
    Somehow though he needs to get past the Dem primary where black voters are significant and as a group they seem to really not like Buttigieg. Maybe next time will be different.

    Dems really are in a mess. Harris is hopeless and cannot be nominee. Biden is clearly too old, but who will tell him. Trump will run on the economy which is now a mess compared to his time in office. Looks like an easy win at the moment but two years to go.

    The elephant in the room is Buttigieg is gay. That shouldn’t matter but it will in the swing states you need to win . I like him , think he’s a great speaker , served his country , in ordinary circumstances he looks a good candidate but I just can’t see the USA electing a gay President .
    What will do Buttigieg in is not his gayness but (1) he’s a white guy probably trying to upstage a black woman in the Democrat primaries, (2) he took time off for parental leave when the US faced a supply chain crisis - American electorates don’t want their politicians neglecting their duties and (3) he’s not been a great Transportation Sec (name one achievement).
    His biggest problem is his complete lack of charisma. If he weren't gay he wouldn't get the same coverage.
    I remember when anti-Obama folks said Obama was professorial, had no charisma and only got plaudits because he was black.
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,557

    nico679 said:

    The DM still flogging a dead horse .

    Now we’re down to whether Starmer and others ordered an Indian take away on the infamous night of the beer !

    It will soon devolve further into whether Keir, “a supposed vegetation”, ordered the chicken dopiaza.

    Big G will finally claim victory when it is revealed that while Keir ordered the saag paneer, it cannot be guaranteed that the paneer was organic.
    Next in the DM: while eating a curry Keir and his entourage watched porn videos about tractors, or something, while Ange did her Sharon Stone impersonation.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    edited May 2022

    MrEd said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why is Russian TV so obsessed with nuking the UK?

    Because 384 warheads are rather less than 3750 and they think they might not survive being hit by the latter number?
    Quite so. We are sitting here thinking, if Russia unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, do we pretend we care enough to retaliate? I am absolutely confident that the average Joe in the USA is thinking, if they nuke London...
    I live in the USA and follow politics here closely. Unless Trump is in charge, there is absolute zero percent chance that the US would respond to a nuke on London with anything less than full nuclear attacks on every Russian city.
    What about Birmingham (UK)?
    Same same. The UK is highly admired by Americans on both sides of the fence.
    "Unless Trump is in charge,"

    Not exactly reassuring given what will happen in Jan 2025.
    I think people are overstating the chance Trump gets re-elected. I know people who voted for Trump twice that won't vote for him again.
    I hope you're right, but I don't feel very optimistic about it, expecially given how much some Dems dislike Biden, and yet there's no one obviously better placed to unify them next time.
    Buttigieg remains my tip for 2024
    Somehow though he needs to get past the Dem primary where black voters are significant and as a group they seem to really not like Buttigieg. Maybe next time will be different.

    Dems really are in a mess. Harris is hopeless and cannot be nominee. Biden is clearly too old, but who will tell him. Trump will run on the economy which is now a mess compared to his time in office. Looks like an easy win at the moment but two years to go.

    The elephant in the room is Buttigieg is gay. That shouldn’t matter but it will in the swing states you need to win . I like him , think he’s a great speaker , served his country , in ordinary circumstances he looks a good candidate but I just can’t see the USA electing a gay President .
    What will do Buttigieg in is not his gayness but (1) he’s a white guy probably trying to upstage a black woman in the Democrat primaries, (2) he took time off for parental leave when the US faced a supply chain crisis - American electorates don’t want their politicians neglecting their duties and (3) he’s not been a great Transportation Sec (name one achievement).
    His biggest problem is his complete lack of charisma. If he weren't gay he wouldn't get the same coverage.
    Helped years ago get first Asian American governor elected governor outside Hawaii, Gary Locke. HIS charisma consisted of being your stereotypical All-American boy, eagle scout and all - but with a difference: his race.

    Buttigieg has the same kind of charisma going for him. Also think the "Black people don't like him"is over-blown. Was more like they preferred Biden. And now he's backing Joe big-time in the cabinet.
    He took Iowa. If they hadn't fecked up the results timings he might have had the big Mo.

    I have money on him. Despite my reservations as far as the primary process goes, I ask, who else have they got?


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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,277
    Aslan said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why is Russian TV so obsessed with nuking the UK?

    Because 384 warheads are rather less than 3750 and they think they might not survive being hit by the latter number?
    Quite so. We are sitting here thinking, if Russia unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, do we pretend we care enough to retaliate? I am absolutely confident that the average Joe in the USA is thinking, if they nuke London...
    I live in the USA and follow politics here closely. Unless Trump is in charge, there is absolute zero percent chance that the US would respond to a nuke on London with anything less than full nuclear attacks on every Russian city.
    What about Birmingham (UK)?
    Same same. The UK is highly admired by Americans on both sides of the fence.
    "Unless Trump is in charge,"

    Not exactly reassuring given what will happen in Jan 2025.
    I think people are overstating the chance Trump gets re-elected. I know people who voted for Trump twice that won't vote for him again.
    I hope you're right, but I don't feel very optimistic about it, expecially given how much some Dems dislike Biden, and yet there's no one obviously better placed to unify them next time.
    Buttigieg remains my tip for 2024
    Somehow though he needs to get past the Dem primary where black voters are significant and as a group they seem to really not like Buttigieg. Maybe next time will be different.

    Dems really are in a mess. Harris is hopeless and cannot be nominee. Biden is clearly too old, but who will tell him. Trump will run on the economy which is now a mess compared to his time in office. Looks like an easy win at the moment but two years to go.

    The elephant in the room is Buttigieg is gay. That shouldn’t matter but it will in the swing states you need to win . I like him , think he’s a great speaker , served his country , in ordinary circumstances he looks a good candidate but I just can’t see the USA electing a gay President .
    Gay man or fecking lunatic who will get us all killed.

    Could be the choice next time.

    70% of Americans support gay marriage. Buttigieg is in a similar place to Obama in 2008.
    It drops a bit for non-whites and they are a crucial part of the dem primary process.

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,504
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Lavrov is now comparing Zelensky with Hitler:

    @NTarnopolsky
    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's Jewishness does not negate his Nazism says Russian FM Sergei Lavrov. Adolf Hitler also "had Jewish blood."


    https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1520862330669735936

    Lavrov belongs with his boss in front of a war crimes tribunal.
    He's been Foreign minister for over 15 years, one can only assume he is fully complicit and encouraging on every maniac thing they have done under Putin. That he may be deliberately talking nonsense without believing it only makes it more infuriating in how to respond to such people. Especially when a lot of people in Russia believe it, or feel required to believe it.
    This may be Rational Opponent Fallacy - my opponent is really an evil genius playing 6D chess and is far too bright to believe in X.

    History tells us that many, many times this isn’t true. People at the top believe in the ideology just as much as any deluded foot soldier. They often inform themselves from their own propaganda - so self radicalising, in a feedback spiral.
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    Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,516
    After that little fracas starting in 1812, it is fair to say that the United Kingdom and the United States became partners, with the US Navy a junior partner to the Royal Navy until, oh, about 1918. (Though American officers might have challenged me to a duel for saying so, back then.)

    The two nations independently banned the slave trade within weeks of each other, in 1807. The American navy played a minor role in suppressing the West African slave trade, supporting the magnificent achievement of the Royal Navy over the decades. (I think the US had more influence in persuading the Saudis to finally ban slavery, at least formally, but could be wrong about that.)

    The Royal Navy provided the force, for decades, that made the Monroe doctrine operable.

    And so on.
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    SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 6,263
    edited May 2022

    MrEd said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    Aslan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why is Russian TV so obsessed with nuking the UK?

    Because 384 warheads are rather less than 3750 and they think they might not survive being hit by the latter number?
    Quite so. We are sitting here thinking, if Russia unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, do we pretend we care enough to retaliate? I am absolutely confident that the average Joe in the USA is thinking, if they nuke London...
    I live in the USA and follow politics here closely. Unless Trump is in charge, there is absolute zero percent chance that the US would respond to a nuke on London with anything less than full nuclear attacks on every Russian city.
    What about Birmingham (UK)?
    Same same. The UK is highly admired by Americans on both sides of the fence.
    "Unless Trump is in charge,"

    Not exactly reassuring given what will happen in Jan 2025.
    I think people are overstating the chance Trump gets re-elected. I know people who voted for Trump twice that won't vote for him again.
    I hope you're right, but I don't feel very optimistic about it, expecially given how much some Dems dislike Biden, and yet there's no one obviously better placed to unify them next time.
    Buttigieg remains my tip for 2024
    Somehow though he needs to get past the Dem primary where black voters are significant and as a group they seem to really not like Buttigieg. Maybe next time will be different.

    Dems really are in a mess. Harris is hopeless and cannot be nominee. Biden is clearly too old, but who will tell him. Trump will run on the economy which is now a mess compared to his time in office. Looks like an easy win at the moment but two years to go.

    The elephant in the room is Buttigieg is gay. That shouldn’t matter but it will in the swing states you need to win . I like him , think he’s a great speaker , served his country , in ordinary circumstances he looks a good candidate but I just can’t see the USA electing a gay President .
    What will do Buttigieg in is not his gayness but (1) he’s a white guy probably trying to upstage a black woman in the Democrat primaries, (2) he took time off for parental leave when the US faced a supply chain crisis - American electorates don’t want their politicians neglecting their duties and (3) he’s not been a great Transportation Sec (name one achievement).
    His biggest problem is his complete lack of charisma. If he weren't gay he wouldn't get the same coverage.
    I think this is nonsense. Whilst the fact he is a successful gay politician in the USA is an interesting angle with Buttigieg, he is also just an engaging speaker and capable politician. He does have a very genuine twinkle about him, and is a likeable figure.

    Is it enough to be President? I'm not sure. But he's not just some kind of crashing bore who happens to generate some kind of interest via his sexuality. He's a genuinely effective, empathetic character.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,477
    edited May 2022

    nico679 said:

    The DM still flogging a dead horse .

    Now we’re down to whether Starmer and others ordered an Indian take away on the infamous night of the beer !

    It will soon devolve further into whether Keir, “a supposed vegetation”, ordered the chicken dopiaza.

    Big G will finally claim victory when it is revealed that while Keir ordered the saag paneer, it cannot be guaranteed that the paneer was organic.
    Next in the DM: while eating a curry Keir and his entourage watched porn videos about tractors, or something, while Ange did her Sharon Stone impersonation.
    Don’t be silly, the allegation here is that it was “A BIG CURRY’. Not just a curry, but a big one. Can it really be a working supper if you have A BIG CURRY? Can’t the police at least check the size of the curry.

    Meanwhile, in other news, the Telegraph reports that Tory snooping around online has found some bloke helping Sue Gray who called Boris a liar on Twitter, also attacked Brexit and urged everyone to sign up to THE LABOUR PARTY.

    Surely it doesn’t matter now how bad the Sue report looks for Boris, no MP can move against Boris with a report so discredited by biased contributors like that?

    This looks like the end of the Sue Gray report as any danger to Boris?
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,230
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151

    Despite my reservations as far as the primary process goes, I ask, who else have they got?

    Quite a few solid candidates if they can somehow get Kamala out of the way: Jared Polis, Gretchen Whitmer, Amy KLOBUCHAR.

    One of these people may also have a home state advantage, assuming they manage to switch the early-voting states around.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,352



    I think this is nonsense. Whilst the fact he is a successful gay politician in the USA is an interesting angle with Buttigieg, he is also just an engaging speaker and capable politician. He does have a very genuine twinkle about him, and is a likeable figure.

    Is it enough to be President? I'm not sure. But he's not just some kind of crashing bore who happens to generate some kind of interest via his sexuality. He's a genuinely effective, empathetic character.

    Like Rory Stewart over here, he's the sort of guy who middle-class Brits (like most of us) are drawn to - pleasant, interesting, thoughtful, and unassertive. You could have him to stay for a weekend and enjoy every minute. But the Presidency usually goes to someone with a more powerful presence, doesn't it? Biden is a special case because he's the anti-Trump, but he does have a heavyweight air to him that Buttigieg seems to me to miss.

    The polls remain quite tight if Biden or Harris run against Trump senior. They're all under water in popularity - typically minus 10 - but in the matchups there's very little in it. The Dem/Rep generic preference is also pretty even - it's just too soon to count anyone out. Note by the way that the gerrymandering battle is evening out a bit - Fivethreeeight reckon that the GOP edge of 5% due to gerrymandering will shrink, though not disappear as their counter-gerrymander (equally unscrupulous) is not proving as successful as they hoped:

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/new-york-just-cost-democrats-their-big-redistricting-advantage/
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    nico679nico679 Posts: 4,890

    nico679 said:

    The DM still flogging a dead horse .

    Now we’re down to whether Starmer and others ordered an Indian take away on the infamous night of the beer !

    It will soon devolve further into whether Keir, “a supposed vegetation”, ordered the chicken dopiaza.

    Big G will finally claim victory when it is revealed that while Keir ordered the saag paneer, it cannot be guaranteed that the paneer was organic.
    Next in the DM: while eating a curry Keir and his entourage watched porn videos about tractors, or something, while Ange did her Sharon Stone impersonation.
    Don’t be silly, the allegation here is that it was “A BIG CURRY’. Not just a curry, but a big one. Can it really be a working supper if you have A BIG CURRY? Can’t the police at least check the size of the curry.

    Meanwhile, in other news, the Telegraph reports that Tory snooping around online has found some bloke helping Sue Gray who called Boris a liar on Twitter, also attacked Brexit and urged everyone to sign up to THE LABOUR PARTY.

    Surely it doesn’t matter now how bad the Sue report looks for Boris, no MP can move against Boris with a report so discredited by biased contributors like that?

    This looks like the end of the Sue Gray report as any danger to Boris?
    Sue Gray decides what goes into the report , but the bloke in question apparently gives advice on legal matters . Attacking Brexit seems a sane thing to do anyway as it’s a clusterfxck!

    I thought the Tories were bigging up Grey as rock solid impartial and well respected . Operation save the clown seems to be hitting Code Red with the DM on its fifth day of ‘beergate’ and the DT trawling the net trying to discredit Sue Grey .
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,031

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    PB Nats oddly defensive about “deep fat frying”

    They are normally super keen to claim everything as a Scottish invention. Yet not “southern fried chicken”

    Not sure why. KFC giving it a bad name?

    Done correctly it’s a fantastic dish. Spicy and crunchy and salty and umami. Mmm

    I for one welcome Ishyvoo to the ranks of the PB Nats. We need more grumpiness.
    Just didn't feel right. Shallow frying early on, when southern states being populated, yes. Industrial scale deep fat in Glasgow etc. late C19, yes. Modern deep fat frying on domestic cookers, yes. But the KFC story didn't ring true.

    Some of us actually quite like historical accuracy ...

    I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it still seems very possible to me.

    The Scots will fry anything, the traditional oil was lard, you don’t need modern deep fat criers.

    The Scots-Irish settled the Appalachians, taking with them whisky, country music, a propensity for evangelical religion, and fried chicken.

    It’s entirely plausible.
    Utter pish , very few in Scotland would have been able to afford chickens many moons ago.
    Stereotypical sh**e, may have been different in the Appalachians.
    Back then it would have been more likely to be oysters and French wine. Or even vegetarion, beans , pulse etc.
    Boswell claimed to have had fried chicken in the Outer Hebrides so I am calling shite.

    @Leon is right that this seems to have a struck a nerve, and I too cannot really understand why.
    Cultural cringe about unhealthy Scottish cuisine

    But I don’t see why. Scotland has a fine cuisine at its heart. Venison, salmon, noble angus beef. Wonderful shellfish etc
    Scotland traditionally eats a lot of oats (Johnson said something like 'In England, oats feed horses, in Scotland, the populace), which were made weekly into porridge (a very healthy way of eating them as the grains were 'soaked', neutralising their antinutrients), and haggis, full of richly nourishing organ meats, and Malc's famous turnips, also extremely good for you, and lots of fish. At one point, Scots were noted for being taller than their English counterparts, which indicates a better diet.
    What's an 'antinutrient'?
    An antinutrient is a component of food that requires nutrients (such as minerals) to digest it, so a net effect of eating it is to draw them from the body. Phytic acid is the anti-nutrient found in the hull of grains. Soaking, sourdough, or sprouted grains remove this factor.
    Whoah... I don't think that's strictly accurate re phytic acid. My understanding is that phytic acid inhibits the ability of the body to absorb iron and zinc, and therefore excessive quantities have negative effects.

    But - AIUI - it does not actually require the use of iron, zinc, etc. to digest it.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    We're really p*ssing them off....

    And another nuclear threat to the UK from Russian state TV's Dmitry Kiselyov:

    He says his country's Poseidon nuclear underwater drone could cause a tsunami that would "plunge the British Isles into the depths of the sea" and turn them into a "radioactive desert" (with subs)


    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1520846423629213699?s=20&t=2VdYyJ02EumAgfZqrMpxxQ
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    Project Sunrise - non-stop SYD-LHR/JFK going ahead:

    https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/05/project-sunrise-to-start-in-2025-after-qantas-order-12-a350s/

    Big Qantas Airbus order for regional too.
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,230

    Project Sunrise - non-stop SYD-LHR/JFK going ahead:

    https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/05/project-sunrise-to-start-in-2025-after-qantas-order-12-a350s/

    Big Qantas Airbus order for regional too.

    I wonder when or if London <-> Auckland non stop will be possible.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    edited May 2022
    carnforth said:

    Project Sunrise - non-stop SYD-LHR/JFK going ahead:

    https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/05/project-sunrise-to-start-in-2025-after-qantas-order-12-a350s/

    Big Qantas Airbus order for regional too.

    I wonder when or if London <-> Auckland non stop will be possible.
    I doubt Auckland-London would ever make financial sense, even if it was technically feasible. I recon Sydney-London/Paris/NY are really borderline. It’ll all depend on continued demand for 1st/business class tickets at high prices, once the novelty wears off.

    I’m sceptical.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    carnforth said:

    Project Sunrise - non-stop SYD-LHR/JFK going ahead:

    https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/05/project-sunrise-to-start-in-2025-after-qantas-order-12-a350s/

    Big Qantas Airbus order for regional too.

    I wonder when or if London <-> Auckland non stop will be possible.
    Air NZ dropped London as a destination in 2019:

    https://simpleflying.com/air-new-zealand-london/
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,783
    ping said:

    carnforth said:

    Project Sunrise - non-stop SYD-LHR/JFK going ahead:

    https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/05/project-sunrise-to-start-in-2025-after-qantas-order-12-a350s/

    Big Qantas Airbus order for regional too.

    I wonder when or if London <-> Auckland non stop will be possible.
    I doubt Auckland-London would ever make financial sense, even if it was technically feasible. I recon Sydney-London/Paris/NY are really borderline. It’ll all depend on continued demand for 1st/business class tickets at high prices, once the novelty wears off.

    I’m sceptical.
    I suspect the COVID experience of transiting SIN or DXB will have enhanced the appeal of direct flights. Every time direct flights have opened up the owners of intermediate / refuelling airports have argued "people welcome a break in their flight" - Anchorage, anyone?
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,779

    Project Sunrise - non-stop SYD-LHR/JFK going ahead:

    https://australianaviation.com.au/2022/05/project-sunrise-to-start-in-2025-after-qantas-order-12-a350s/

    Big Qantas Airbus order for regional too.

    Great news.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,732

    Nigelb said:

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    @ragipsoylu
    Hungary will block EU sanctions on energy says senior Hungarian official Gulyás


    https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1520875986539237379

    Hungary should be expelled from the EU.
    There is no need to wait, either, they represent no serious threat to the Western order. Perhaps even less so if they are out in the cold.
    Hmmm... I am not sure encouraging a NATO member into the arms of Russia would be such a great thing.
    A reckoning is coming for them, sooner or later.

    The EU can’t continue to allow a undemocratic or even anti-democratic state to veto aspects of foreign policy.
    So don’t allow them. That doesn’t require expulsion, though.
    But then you are talking about introducing QMV to foreign policy and I’m not sure how many would go for that.

    It is a dilemma that the EU must solve, one way or another.
    It is also possible to suspend their voting rights.
    QMV makes sense, with a supermajority requirement I think. It’s not completely impossible that the Ukraine crisis will lead to one or the other thing. Hungary’s previous allies are among those most angered by their Ukraine stance.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,496
    rcs1000 said:


    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    PB Nats oddly defensive about “deep fat frying”

    They are normally super keen to claim everything as a Scottish invention. Yet not “southern fried chicken”

    Not sure why. KFC giving it a bad name?

    Done correctly it’s a fantastic dish. Spicy and crunchy and salty and umami. Mmm

    I for one welcome Ishyvoo to the ranks of the PB Nats. We need more grumpiness.
    Just didn't feel right. Shallow frying early on, when southern states being populated, yes. Industrial scale deep fat in Glasgow etc. late C19, yes. Modern deep fat frying on domestic cookers, yes. But the KFC story didn't ring true.

    Some of us actually quite like historical accuracy ...

    I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it still seems very possible to me.

    The Scots will fry anything, the traditional oil was lard, you don’t need modern deep fat criers.

    The Scots-Irish settled the Appalachians, taking with them whisky, country music, a propensity for evangelical religion, and fried chicken.

    It’s entirely plausible.
    Utter pish , very few in Scotland would have been able to afford chickens many moons ago.
    Stereotypical sh**e, may have been different in the Appalachians.
    Back then it would have been more likely to be oysters and French wine. Or even vegetarion, beans , pulse etc.
    Boswell claimed to have had fried chicken in the Outer Hebrides so I am calling shite.

    @Leon is right that this seems to have a struck a nerve, and I too cannot really understand why.
    Cultural cringe about unhealthy Scottish cuisine

    But I don’t see why. Scotland has a fine cuisine at its heart. Venison, salmon, noble angus beef. Wonderful shellfish etc
    Scotland traditionally eats a lot of oats (Johnson said something like 'In England, oats feed horses, in Scotland, the populace), which were made weekly into porridge (a very healthy way of eating them as the grains were 'soaked', neutralising their antinutrients), and haggis, full of richly nourishing organ meats, and Malc's famous turnips, also extremely good for you, and lots of fish. At one point, Scots were noted for being taller than their English counterparts, which indicates a better diet.
    What's an 'antinutrient'?
    An antinutrient is a component of food that requires nutrients (such as minerals) to digest it, so a net effect of eating it is to draw them from the body. Phytic acid is the anti-nutrient found in the hull of grains. Soaking, sourdough, or sprouted grains remove this factor.
    Whoah... I don't think that's strictly accurate re phytic acid. My understanding is that phytic acid inhibits the ability of the body to absorb iron and zinc, and therefore excessive quantities have negative effects.

    But - AIUI - it does not actually require the use of iron, zinc, etc. to digest it.
    They are not different things. Digestion of all foods is a process requiring minerals. If those aren't found in the food you're eating, they will be taken from the body's reserves, by definition.
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