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  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,754
    IshmaelZ said:

    There is not much evidence on his wikipedia page of actual sharp end, thinking on your feet, prosecuting involving cross-examination of defendants and witnesses, which is what's required for pmq. He spent his time advising liberty, defending mclibel etc. Dreary stuff where the most interesting thing that gets said all day is the judge asking Would this be a good time to break for lunch.
    He oversells his role in McLibel
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,294
    A curve ball on debt financing is that the Bank of England has already started reducing the amount of quantitative easing bonds held by not reinvesting maturing bond proceeds. It is quite possible they will start selling bonds in held in the market later this year (we may find out more next Thursday).

    Essentially the money printer needs to go into reverse as otherwise GBP will depreciate precipitously versus the dollar and any other market that gets inflation under control. We're already seeing this with GBP/USD at 1.25 now.

    But we don't need to panic on spending. There's plenty of demand for UK debt. Too much focus in UK politics is counting pennies rather than promoting growth. I could have spent my early 20s budgeting to try to save on a modest income, but spending all I earned while working to get paid multiples more, and saving at that point, is the better approach.

    Let's relax planning permission and change rules to promote mass house building. Replace stamp duty with an annual property tax to improve labour mobility. Spend money on infrastructure that can later be privatised at a profit (so no debt increase). Encourage greater training for career changes after age 21.

    Start having a politics of investing in our country rather than acting as an accountant.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,177

    Do you think a mouse is safer when a cat patrols the mouse-hole?
    Having NATO around is more like having a Llama in the herd of sheep.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,754

    No. I ran a charity shop. Why can’t I become a MP. Unless I’m rare?
    Well done. Although there are people on here who think you are blue.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,933

    It seems daft.

    I’m all in favour of the easing of rules around childcare, though.

    Several countries in Europe have ZERO limits on the child to carer ratio including such right-wing hell-holes as Germany and Denmark.

    The UK has regulated childcare into one of the most expensive industries in the country.
    As someone who once tried to open a childminding business in our home with the ex-missus, (both former kindergarten teachers), I can wholeheartedly agree with this.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202

    Guess again! It’s fairly unlikely, who it was…
    Big G
    OGH
    Charles
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,933

    A “talk your weight machine out of control”.

    Genius. Straight up the best ever sketch of Boris.
    We were earlier assured he was the very template of dispatch box wit and wisdom today.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Con Maj lengthening. Now 3.55
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,177

    Indeed.

    The hand that rocks the cradle rules the bank.
    When the current regulations on ratios of children to careers were introduced, New lAbour were warned what would happen, in some detail. They went ahead and the prophecies were exactly fulfilled.

    1) "Proper' childcare became very expensive - in London, it's not far off fees for private school. So more and more middle class people have their budgets "stretched" ready to go straight through to the private sector.
    2) If you are rich enough to have a house with a spare room, AuPairs are just as unregulated as before. And just as cheap.
    3) If you aren't in the first 2 categories, you use unregulated child minding. Which is cheap and a bit like mini cabs used to be in London, before they made them legal....
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202

    Con Maj lengthening. Now 3.55

    Lol. Boris knocked it out the park again.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    A “talk your weight machine out of control”.

    Genius. Straight up the best ever sketch of Boris.
    One Way Pendulum
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,933

    Well done. Although there are people on here who think you are blue.
    Chapeau.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Big G
    OGH
    Charles
    Nope!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    dixiedean said:

    We were earlier assured he was the very template of dispatch box wit and wisdom today.
    Never? Who’d a thunk it?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Northern Ireland Assembly Most Seats - Best prices

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    DUP 5.5
    Alliance 20
    SDLP 42
    UUP 44
    TUV 201

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    When the current regulations on ratios of children to careers were introduced, New lAbour were warned what would happen, in some detail. They went ahead and the prophecies were exactly fulfilled.

    1) "Proper' childcare became very expensive - in London, it's not far off fees for private school. So more and more middle class people have their budgets "stretched" ready to go straight through to the private sector.
    2) If you are rich enough to have a house with a spare room, AuPairs are just as unregulated as before. And just as cheap.
    3) If you aren't in the first 2 categories, you use unregulated child minding. Which is cheap and a bit like mini cabs used to be in London, before they made them legal....
    Dunno about 1.

    I am in that category and the second I could get him out of paid childcare I resolved to piss the money up the wall on good wining and dining instead.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202
    edited April 2022
    Ratters said:

    A curve ball on debt financing is that the Bank of England has already started reducing the amount of quantitative easing bonds held by not reinvesting maturing bond proceeds. It is quite possible they will start selling bonds in held in the market later this year (we may find out more next Thursday).

    Essentially the money printer needs to go into reverse as otherwise GBP will depreciate precipitously versus the dollar and any other market that gets inflation under control. We're already seeing this with GBP/USD at 1.25 now.

    But we don't need to panic on spending. There's plenty of demand for UK debt. Too much focus in UK politics is counting pennies rather than promoting growth. I could have spent my early 20s budgeting to try to save on a modest income, but spending all I earned while working to get paid multiples more, and saving at that point, is the better approach.

    Let's relax planning permission and change rules to promote mass house building. Replace stamp duty with an annual property tax to improve labour mobility. Spend money on infrastructure that can later be privatised at a profit (so no debt increase). Encourage greater training for career changes after age 21.

    Start having a politics of investing in our country rather than acting as an accountant.

    Plus 100, with the caveat that government spending should not exacerbate inflation.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Ratters said:

    A curve ball on debt financing is that the Bank of England has already started reducing the amount of quantitative easing bonds held by not reinvesting maturing bond proceeds. It is quite possible they will start selling bonds in held in the market later this year (we may find out more next Thursday).

    Essentially the money printer needs to go into reverse as otherwise GBP will depreciate precipitously versus the dollar and any other market that gets inflation under control. We're already seeing this with GBP/USD at 1.25 now.

    But we don't need to panic on spending. There's plenty of demand for UK debt. Too much focus in UK politics is counting pennies rather than promoting growth. I could have spent my early 20s budgeting to try to save on a modest income, but spending all I earned while working to get paid multiples more, and saving at that point, is the better approach.

    Let's relax planning permission and change rules to promote mass house building. Replace stamp duty with an annual property tax to improve labour mobility. Spend money on infrastructure that can later be privatised at a profit (so no debt increase). Encourage greater training for career changes after age 21.

    Start having a politics of investing in our country rather than acting as an accountant.

    I kindof agree.

    My problem is, I think we’ve missed the boat.

    The time to do all of this (government borrowing/spending/mass house building) was post-GFC. Instead we had stupid austerity “cutting our cloth” policies.

    Now, it actually is the time to be running balanced budgets.

    I’m generally a fiscally dry kindof guy, but I think the tories got it all wrong post 2008.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,177

    Dunno about 1.

    I am in that category and the second I could get him out of paid childcare I resolved to piss the money up the wall on good wining and dining instead.
    Ha. What did the wife say?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Well done. Although there are people on here who think you are blue.
    Elegant wordplay.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Lol. Boris knocked it out the park again.
    Which would explain why Con Maj is lengthening.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,431

    I didn't think Starmer performed well at all today. Johnson was very self assured and shot every fox. Granted, every answer was absolute b*ll*cks, but it was very self-assured absolute b*ll*cks.
    But his audience are MPs and therefore not uniformly stupid. If they were listening to the content it was non existant. Sounding self confident might have worked if he was talikng to a junior school but it was as you suggest just repetitive blustering bollocks. It's a while since I've listened to one
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,232

    Do you think a mouse is safer when a cat patrols the mouse-hole?
    I am struggling to understand how that particular analogy works. Are you suggesting NATO is the cat?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202
    edited April 2022
    ping said:

    I kindof agree.

    My problem is, I think we’ve missed the boat.

    The time to do all of this (government borrowing/spending/mass house building) was post-GFC. Instead we had stupid austerity “cutting our cloth” policies.

    Now, it actually is the time to be running balanced budgets.

    I’m generally a fiscally dry kindof guy, but I think the tories got it all wrong post 2008.
    It’s seems to be the consensus now that the UK’s fiscal contraction after 2010 was too aggressive, but that’s hindsight.

    At the time, it seemed broadly the right course (and Tory output ended up coinciding with Labour plans).

    What we needed was a change of approach after 2015. Instead we fucked it all away on Brexit.

    As you imply now, we’ve got an inflation problem to attend to which makes more government spending problematic.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,131

    I didn't think Starmer performed well at all today. Johnson was very self assured and shot every fox. Granted, every answer was absolute b*ll*cks, but it was very self-assured absolute b*ll*cks.
    It is noticeable that Conservative whips have reversed their ban on barracking Starmer, presumably because it has been decided Boris no longer needs to react to, or even hear, the questions. Previously Boris would answer five questions before ranting after the sixth.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,352

    It seems daft.

    I’m all in favour of the easing of rules around childcare, though.

    Several countries in Europe have ZERO limits on the child to carer ratio including such right-wing hell-holes as Germany and Denmark.

    The UK has regulated childcare into one of the most expensive industries in the country.
    So a single carer can look after zero children?

    How does that scale?
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 162
    edited April 2022

    Hypocrisy is the killer. As with Boris and partygate rather than, say, wallpapergate which is arguably more serious, so with drugs. Lots of politicians are known to have indulged but the only man to have suffered was Michael Gove whose leadership campaign was derailed because as Education Secretary, he had advocated sacking teachers who followed his example.
    I agree, hypocrisy seems to be the cardinal sin in politics: do as I say, not as I do.

    But the value in it is to show what is being said to be nonsense. If a politician decries the existence of private schools and then sends their own child to one, it doesn't make them an awful person - but it does suggest that the policy they espouse might not be correct. They are not wrong to have sent their child to the private school; they are wrong to espouse the policy.

    Likewise, my main takeaway from No 10's hypocrisy is that Johnson wasn't wrong to take a slice of cake - he was wrong to impose these sweeping and draconian rules in the first place.

    But this doesn't seem to be the angle any of his critics are taking, at least in the mainstream.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Ha. What did the wife say?
    She joined me. State schools round here are good so why pay more? 🙂
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202

    Which would explain why Con Maj is lengthening.
    I was being sarcastic.
    But I guess I shouldn’t assume every poster can remember my leanings; I certainly don’t have an encyclopaedic memory of everyone else’s.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Eurovision Winner

    Ukraine 1.93
    Italy 6
    Sweden 9.4
    England and satellite states 13.5
    Castile and satellite states 22
    50 bar
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202

    Nope!
    I actually think it was rcs100.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,232
    Roger said:

    But his audience are MPs and therefore not uniformly stupid. If they were listening to the content it was non existant. Sounding self confident might have worked if he was talikng to a junior school but it was as you suggest just repetitive blustering bollocks. It's a while since I've listened to one
    It could be that the expectations of Johnson's um, err performance is such that when he is marginally fluent he appears competent. No one listens to the content anyway
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    rcs1000 said:

    So a single carer can look after zero children?

    How does that scale?
    You're misreading; there are no limits rather than a limit of zero. I.e. a single carer can have infinite children to look after.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,789

    I actually think it was rcs100.
    I remember that story! It was Nick Palmer!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,621

    Eurovision Winner

    Ukraine 1.93
    Italy 6
    Sweden 9.4
    England and satellite states 13.5
    Castile and satellite states 22
    50 bar

    I’ve heard the U.K. entry and I’d give it 100. It’s another shocker.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202
    Cookie said:

    I remember that story! It was Nick Palmer!
    LOOOOOOOLLL!
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,562

    Nope!
    Wasn't that one NPxMP??
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I actually think it was rcs100.
    It was not!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,789

    She joined me. State schools round here are good so why pay more? 🙂
    There wax a time when I had two under three in childcare that I made no more money in a day that I went to work than I paid out in childcare costs. It was a good nursery but towards the lower end of the price range. Just over £40 per child per day. You'd struggle to get cheaper. I only worked so that I would still have a job once the free childcare hours kicked in when the oldest turned 3 and a bit.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,177

    She joined me. State schools round here are good so why pay more? 🙂
    Depends on your location - some are very good. Some are shocking. The behaviour of parents in choosing which state school to go to (when they have choice) is another interesting story....
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    I’ve heard the U.K. entry and I’d give it 100. It’s another shocker.
    The quality of the song is irrelevant when it comes to the Yookay. They could put up a timeless classic, performed by musical geniuses, and it would still end up in the bottom quartile. It’s not the song that’s duff, it’s the brand.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,177
    Cookie said:

    There wax a time when I had two under three in childcare that I made no more money in a day that I went to work than I paid out in childcare costs. It was a good nursery but towards the lower end of the price range. Just over £40 per child per day. You'd struggle to get cheaper. I only worked so that I would still have a job once the free childcare hours kicked in when the oldest turned 3 and a bit.
    The working-to-stay-in-job-market thing is quite common.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,294

    I was being sarcastic.
    But I guess I shouldn’t assume every poster can remember my leanings; I certainly don’t have an encyclopaedic memory of everyone else’s.
    It's a shame we can't put something in our poster ID e.g. Benpointer - Solid left of centre.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202

    The quality of the song is irrelevant when it comes to the Yookay. They could put up a timeless classic, performed by musical geniuses, and it would still end up in the bottom quartile. It’s not the song that’s duff, it’s the brand.
    Why do you call it Yookay?

    It’s up there with EUSSR, “Keith”, and “Little ‘Un” in the PB cringe stakes.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,996
    rcs1000 said:

    That 46bn is before the return of interest from the BoE. Don't forget that a not insubstantial proportion of our debt is held by the BoE.
    People as dim as me need to know where the BoE gets all that money from to return the interest, where they got the money from to fund the government debt in the first place; and I am so dim that I think that if the BoE conjures up the stuff from the air that they are stealing value from someone who does the actual paying. Could that be us by any chance?

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,621

    The quality of the song is irrelevant when it comes to the Yookay. They could put up a timeless classic, performed by musical geniuses, and it would still end up in the bottom quartile. It’s not the song that’s duff, it’s the brand.
    That’s one theory, but for the last 20 years we have entered such utter dross it’s almost as if we are trying not to win, in order to avoid hosting. Not unlike the Father Ted plot. For a nation of such dominant pop/rock, we haven’t half chosen some shit to perform awful songs. Other nations have their leading artists in the gig.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,263
    rcs1000 said:

    I was on a plane once, and a gentleman a few rows ahead of me got his laptop out.

    As he opened it, it came out of sleep mode, and continued playing the video be had been watching in his hotel room the previous evening. Unfortunately for him, the volume was loud, and the panting and moaning was heard by the entire plane.

    He slammed the laptop shut and went a very bright red.
    How sure are we the "porn" in the chamber wasn't a NSFW WhatsApp message that flashed up when the MP checked his phone and scrolled through?

    I got (an unexpected) one of those today without any warning.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    It's a shame we can't put something in our poster ID e.g. Benpointer - Solid left of centre.
    HYUFD - General Franco admirer
  • Northern Ireland Assembly Most Seats - Best prices

    Sinn Féin 1.2
    DUP 5.5
    Alliance 20
    SDLP 42
    UUP 44
    TUV 201

    I would have thought Sinn Fein being the largest party is just about free money TBH. I don't really see how SF gets less than 25 seats and the DUP more than 24 at this point. I would have thought the DUP's recent behaviour would also make Alliance and SDLP voters more likely to transfer to UUP candidates.

    The GreenMachine's prediction yesterday was very interesting, particularly the DUP getting only one seat in North Belfast (potentially the only unionist seat there).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited April 2022
    Foxy said:

    I would suggest biannually until 10 years old then annually. Modern cars last well compared to the rusty wrecks that I drove in the eighties.
    Yes, that’s the right answer. Modern cars increasingly have 10 year rust warranties, so let the MoT look for tyres and exhausts.

    Biennially though, not biannually.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,785

    LOOOOOOOLLL!
    Great story. Reminds me of:
    https://youtu.be/r1pumYgwWoQ
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202

    How sure are we the "porn" in the chamber wasn't a NSFW WhatsApp message that flashed up when the MP checked his phone and scrolled through?

    I got (an unexpected) one of those today without any warning.
    I must have dull friends.
    Nobody sends me impromptu (or even promptu) porn.
  • Big G
    OGH
    Charles
    The number of long haul flights I have done over the last 20 years I am surprised it hasn't happened and more than once !!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,294

    How sure are we the "porn" in the chamber wasn't a NSFW WhatsApp message that flashed up when the MP checked his phone and scrolled through?

    I got (an unexpected) one of those today without any warning.
    Presumably if that were the case the MP concerned will go straight to the appropriate standards authority and explain the situation, then we can all move on. Assuming the sender wasn't another MP, of course.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited April 2022

    The quality of the song is irrelevant when it comes to the Yookay. They could put up a timeless classic, performed by musical geniuses, and it would still end up in the bottom quartile. It’s not the song that’s duff, it’s the brand.
    Not sure that's true on this occasion. The UK has gone with a big TikToker and seems to be gaining traction.

    All the fan club polls on Eurovision related websites have the UK around about 4th or 5th where as usually it's never in the top 10.

    e.g This poll has us in 5th as or stands with just a few countries to come. https://eurovoix.com/2022/04/27/austria-germany-czech-republic-lithuania-ogae-poll-2022/

    Ukraine isn't getting a look in as the song isn't that good, and as it's 50% jury and 50% public vote, the jury might not give it enough of a lead in for the obvious public sympathy vote to allow it to top the leaderboard.

    I'd be tempted to lay Ukraine on the betting but I also don't think the UK will win. We are likely to be in the top 10 for the first time in a long while though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,628

    That’s one theory, but for the last 20 years we have entered such utter dross it’s almost as if we are trying not to win, in order to avoid hosting. Not unlike the Father Ted plot. For a nation of such dominant pop/rock, we haven’t half chosen some shit to perform awful songs. Other nations have their leading artists in the gig.
    We were 5th in 2009.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Depends on your location - some are very good. Some are shocking. The behaviour of parents in choosing which state school to go to (when they have choice) is another interesting story....
    I’d never pretend to believe in a spaghetti monster just to get into a ‘good’ school if that’s what you mean (although how it could be a good school if it teaches that a spaghetti monster rules our lives is another question…)
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    BBC SPOTY 2022

    Fury 11
    Kane 13
    Raducanu 17
    Muirhead 21
    Sterling 21
    Alcroft 26
    O'Sullivan 26
    Joshua 29
    34 bar
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    How sure are we the "porn" in the chamber wasn't a NSFW WhatsApp message that flashed up when the MP checked his phone and scrolled through?

    I got (an unexpected) one of those today without any warning.
    Exactly. I suggested this very possibility earlier. To me, that’s the likely reality. Who exactly would sit in the Commons chamber and watch porn? The whole thing sounds completely barmy.
  • Exactly. I suggested this very possibility earlier. To me, that’s the likely reality. Who exactly would sit in the Commons chamber and watch porn? The whole thing sounds completely barmy.
    Agree with this - and I despise the Tories
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,294

    BBC SPOTY 2022

    Fury 11
    Kane 13
    Raducanu 17
    Muirhead 21
    Sterling 21
    Alcroft 26
    O'Sullivan 26
    Joshua 29
    34 bar

    Is the World Cup before the vote? I think that could have a big influence.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,352
    algarkirk said:

    People as dim as me need to know where the BoE gets all that money from to return the interest, where they got the money from to fund the government debt in the first place; and I am so dim that I think that if the BoE conjures up the stuff from the air that they are stealing value from someone who does the actual paying. Could that be us by any chance?

    Eh?

    The point is that HMG doesn't really pay interest on bonds held by the Bank of England, as the money is returned to the Treasury. The real debt service load is therefore less than the headline number.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Roger said:

    But his audience are MPs and therefore not uniformly stupid. If they were listening to the content it was non existant. Sounding self confident might have worked if he was talikng to a junior school but it was as you suggest just repetitive blustering bollocks. It's a while since I've listened to one
    All MPs want from PMQs is something to cheer (from their leader) and something to get upset by (from the other).
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202

    Agree with this - and I despise the Tories
    I hadn’t realised earlier that it was a FRONTBENCHER.

    To be honest, Raab does look like the type.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    Is the World Cup before the vote? I think that could have a big influence.
    WC Final - 18 December
    SPOTY - just before Christmas , 19 Dec last year
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I must have dull friends.
    Nobody sends me impromptu (or even promptu) porn.
    I very rarely get them but very occasionally something NSFW pops up on a group chat. There was one incident where some idiot sent something while I was in a client meeting. Thankfully nobody saw it - but I resolved never to check my phone again in meetings (which is impolite anyway).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,533

    Agree with this - and I despise the Tories
    People have done barmier things, but the explanation is probably correct. Unless the witness states/proves the person watched for an extended period I think most people will accept that explanation too.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,070
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    Just back from the Smarkets event in London - nice to see OGH up and about and in good form.

    A panel featuring Tony Travers, John Rentoul and Anna Turley with the likes of Martin Baxter in the audience so I sat among the Gods (apparently).

    Plenty of psephological semantics around notional vote shares and boundary changes adding a layer of mud to the fairly muddy waters. Couple of interesting observations - Tony Travers felt the Conservatives could win the Croydon Mayoralty but Labour would control the Council.

    John Rentoul thought Labour would win the Tower Hamlets Mayoralty and Wandsworth but not Barnet.

    Anna didn't give a lot away about the north east but the Conservatives are trying in Sunderland and Hartlepool seemed far from clear. Plenty of apathy on the doorsteps though, as she put it, as a Labour canvasser, she "wasn't being chased down the driveways" by angry voters as happened in the Corbyn era.

    Plenty of discussion about the possibility and outcome of a Conservative leadership election. Rentoul thought the Conservative MPs nearly ousted Boris Johnson in January but his position had been strengthened by the downfall of Sunak.

    As we know, the Conservative Parliamentary Party will only move on its leader when two conditions are met - a) the leader has to be a clear electoral liability and b) there is an obvious alternative who would quickly improve the Party's fortunes. I'm far from convinced either condition has been met and even losing 600-800 seats next Thursday will at most satisfy the first.

    My view is while the Conservatives will do poorly, it won't be a complete meltdown and it may be while Labour will be the beneficiaries in some areas, especially in the south it will be the LDs, Greens and Independents who will pick up the anti-Conservative protest vote.

    Did any of the “God’s” say “I always read your pieces on PB for entertainment Stodge - but I read MoonRabbit for racing tips and to better understand what is happening in politics.”

    Nb. 600-800, not happening apparently, Rawling and Thrasher have -400 a disaster for Tories in mail today, on basis so many of these seats that are up are held by Labour on a high mark for them in 2018, so just Labour holds is actually not a bad Labour performance. The NS said a similar thing. In a way it means Boris is lucky, again, as losing 300 the media narrative will be better than expected for Tories, disappointing for Starmer, but the psephological experts won’t be listened to that this isn’t fair or true. Like you I have high hopes for good Libdem night. And it will be interesting watching greens, as con to green the Tory’s will shrug off as mid term government, but Labour to green will be horrible for Labour to explain.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,232
    Sandpit said:

    Yes, that’s the right answer. Modern cars increasingly have 10 year rust warranties, so let the MoT look for tyres and exhausts.

    Biennially though, not biannually.
    At the very least an interim mandatory tyre check, maybe at a tenner a go. I still think the two year idea is folly. Perhaps the frequency reduction less tyre checks could be introduced for electric cars.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,628

    Is the World Cup before the vote? I think that could have a big influence.
    I think it's in the Autumn.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Presumably if that were the case the MP concerned will go straight to the appropriate standards authority and explain the situation, then we can all move on. Assuming the sender wasn't another MP, of course.
    Indeed but even if another MP sent it, it’s not the fault of the receiver.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Why do you call it Yookay?

    It’s up there with EUSSR, “Keith”, and “Little ‘Un” in the PB cringe stakes.
    For the same reason he writes "England and satellite states".
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,070

    I hadn’t realised earlier that it was a FRONTBENCHER.

    To be honest, Raab does look like the type.
    Don’t you watch any TV detective shows? 🙄
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    That’s one theory, but for the last 20 years we have entered such utter dross it’s almost as if we are trying not to win, in order to avoid hosting. Not unlike the Father Ted plot. For a nation of such dominant pop/rock, we haven’t half chosen some shit to perform awful songs. Other nations have their leading artists in the gig.
    Our leading artists have no interest in competing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,992

    I’d never pretend to believe in a spaghetti monster just to get into a ‘good’ school if that’s what you mean (although how it could be a good school if it teaches that a spaghetti monster rules our lives is another question…)
    If the choice in your area was 2 inadequate or requires improvement state schools and an outstanding faith school which needed a vicar's reference to get in I bet you would, especially if you could not afford to go private and there were no grammar schools in the area either.

    Hence churches in catchment areas of outstanding faith schools are often full when admissions for the new intake are coming round

  • I think it's in the Autumn.
    21st November to 18th December
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Why do you call it Yookay?

    It’s up there with EUSSR, “Keith”, and “Little ‘Un” in the PB cringe stakes.
    But slightly behind

    “It’s a view”

    “feature not a bug”

    and

    “It’s one of those irregular verbs”
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,933
    edited April 2022

    Well done. Although there are people on here who think you are blue.
    Chapeau.

    I would have thought Sinn Fein being the largest party is just about free money TBH. I don't really see how SF gets less than 25 seats and the DUP more than 24 at this point. I would have thought the DUP's recent behaviour would also make Alliance and SDLP voters more likely to transfer to UUP candidates.

    The GreenMachine's prediction yesterday was very interesting, particularly the DUP getting only one seat in North Belfast (potentially the only unionist seat there).
    DUP have long been the most transfer unfriendly. Even more than SF.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202
    Applicant said:

    For the same reason he writes "England and satellite states".
    No doubt it makes him laugh.
    Too bad about everyone else.

    I really had to parse that one, “who the fuck is he talking about, the Isle of Man?”
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202
    edited April 2022

    Don’t you watch any TV detective shows? 🙄
    Don’t get it. Please explain.
    My point is that Raab looks sexually dodgy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,177

    At the very least an interim mandatory tyre check, maybe at a tenner a go. I still think the two year idea is folly. Perhaps the frequency reduction less tyre checks could be introduced for electric cars.
    A few years back, I was talking with a chap who had come up with a sensor system that could detect tire state - tread depth and general state. I wonder what happened to it.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,352
    TimT said:

    Robert, I can one up you there. Was at an international conference in 2007 for officials from all MENA countries, hosted by one of the region's Princesses, when one of the delegates plugged his laptop into the overhead projection system without first opening it to check ...
    Oh my...
  • algarkirk said:

    £46 billion is the amount spent this year in debt interest payments. It is easy to hide this as 3% of something or other. It is £1000 per year for 40 million people. That's a lot of extra tax to pay, or a lot of universal credit increase that didn't happen. And we have borrowed much more than this figure this year anyway, so we haven't even paid anything, we have just increased the debt.

    I 100% agree with that but that has to do with the pernicious consequences of debt - it is nothing to do with inflation.

    Debt leads to debt payments which is dead money and that is bad, it is a tax on the future and what's worse is it is taking the future taxes of the young in order to pay for the present and avoid paying for it now. So don't take this as defending debt.

    But index-linked is a different matter. Overly simplifying it but if inflation is 5% then 100% index-linked £46bn this year might be £48.3bn next year so we're talking an increase of £2bn in interest payments which sounds staggering . . . however £48.3bn next year is £46bn in real money, so its not a real change.

    We should be controlling the deficit because its wrong to burden our children with our own costs, a principle that the prior generation to mine never seemed to understand . . . but inflation is a side show to that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,533

    But slightly behind

    “It’s a view”

    “feature not a bug”

    and

    “It’s one of those irregular verbs”
    Those are just cliches, not attempts at partisan hilarity like EUSSR, it's not the same thing.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,294

    I think it's in the Autumn.
    So different times for different people then?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,202
    edited April 2022

    But slightly behind

    “It’s a view”

    “feature not a bug”

    and

    “It’s one of those irregular verbs”
    These have mostly died out.

    I feel like it’s time to bring “unspoofable” back, though.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022
    Putin has apparently warned against 'outside intervention' in Ukraine. The main outside intervention coming so far from er... Russia, with it raising towns and cities to the ground and committing mass war crimes.

    I know this is all obvious but such comments are liable to be treated with the utmost seriousness.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    HYUFD said:

    If the choice in your area was 2 inadequate or requires improvement state schools and an outstanding faith school which needed a vicar's reference to get in I bet you would, especially if you could not afford to go private and there were no grammar schools in the area either.

    Hence churches in catchment areas of outstanding faith schools are often full when admissions for the new intake are coming round

    I wouldn’t. I’d move.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,933
    Who the heck sends anyone porn?
    I have never felt the urge to send any. Nor have I ever received any.
    Maybe that's just me.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,177

    Putin has apparently warned against 'outside intervention' in Ukraine. The main outside intervention coming so far from er... Russia, with it raising towns and cities to the ground and committing mass war crimes.

    I know this is all obvious but such comments are liable to be treated with the utmost seriousness.

    In PutinWorld, Ukraine doesn't exist. There's a province of West Russia where they talk a bit funny, that's all. So Russia is just doing an Internal Special Operation.

    It's a fairly good "tell" of Russians who support this stuff - they will tell you there is no such thing as a Ukrainian language, culture etc..
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,628

    So different times for different people then?
    November is Autumn :)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    These have mostly died out.

    I feel like it’s time to bring “unspoofable” back, though.
    “Colour me x” is another one that has gently faded away. Although I did witness the irregular verbs make a cameo today.

    Agreed that “unspoofable” and “beyond parody” are ripe for revival.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,232

    A few years back, I was talking with a chap who had come up with a sensor system that could detect tire state - tread depth and general state. I wonder what happened to it.
    Good idea, but it won't be retrofitted on a 2004 Corsa, which worries me.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    So different times for different people then?
    Easter to some, Diwali for others. Who’s counting?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,785

    These have mostly died out.

    I feel like it’s time to bring “unspoofable” back, though.
    I think those are used perennially.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,621
    Applicant said:

    Our leading artists have no interest in competing.
    Is that true? Or are we not paying enough?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,996
    rcs1000 said:

    Eh?

    The point is that HMG doesn't really pay interest on bonds held by the Bank of England, as the money is returned to the Treasury. The real debt service load is therefore less than the headline number.
    Just pop that into the language of dim people like me.....

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,018
    edited April 2022
    The case of the conservative minister alleged viewing of pornography has been referred to the ICGS by the conservative chief whip
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,070

    Don’t get it. Please explain.
    My point is that Raab looks sexually dodgy.
    Well it’s never the obvious one is it? Judge Dredd Gardenwalker.
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