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Wakefield is an absolute must-win for both SKS and BOJO – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited May 3 in General
imageWakefield is an absolute must-win for both SKS and BOJO – politicalbetting.com

Today is the first day back at work for MPs after the Easter vacation and one of the things that might come up is moving the writ for the Wakefield by-election. What we know is that Boris Johnson’s government tends to move these pretty quickly after the vacancy occurs.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157
    ED BALLS
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157
    Also the ludicrously short odds on Burnham might lengthen when he fails to apply to be candidate, so laying him might be a plan. But as others have said, unattractive bet on either side in a time of high inflation
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 46,234
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think it's a must win for the Tories. Starmer needs to win this, and he will.

    That's right.

    That being said... I don't think this is about whether Labour wins (they will), but by how much.

    A small win, say 45-40, and the Conservatives breath a sigh of relief. It's a by-election, cost of living crisis... Not the end of the world.

    On the other hand, if it's 60-35, then that looks a little different. A big defeat like that, and Conservative Maps start wondering if Boris has lost a little of his magic.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 14,371
    edited April 19
    Fourth.
    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Beaten by wordle.
    First ever loss.
    Devastated.

    Wordle 304 6/6

    ⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜
    🟨🟨⬜⬜⬜
    ⬜🟩🟨🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Tough one.
    Todays wordle done in 3.

    Wordle 304 3/6

    ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟨
    ⬜⬜⬜🟨🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Perhaps I should join Mensa.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 46,234
    MattW said:

    Fourth.

    Fifth, I think...
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 1,720
    No pressure on Boris. It's mid term, the government is supposedly hugely unpopular and it's only a 4% swing needed.

    Lots of pressure on LAB. Only 4% swing. Easy peasy for LAB surely? We all know how well LAB do well in by elections...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 41,174
    Emmanuel Macron is abolishing the diplomatic corps and replacing it with a system of political appointments. Very strange timing and he's been attacked from across the political spectrum. Le Pen says she will reverse the decision.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,574

    NEXTA
    @nexta_tv
    ·
    2h
    #Russia prepares lawsuits to recover its international reserves.

    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1516318310786383874

    ===

    Central Banker? Go fuck yourself!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 14,371
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Fourth.

    Fifth, I think...
    Moderators don't count ...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,574
    8th. Like George Galloway.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,138

    No pressure on Boris. It's mid term, the government is supposedly hugely unpopular and it's only a 4% swing needed.

    Lots of pressure on LAB. Only 4% swing. Easy peasy for LAB surely? We all know how well LAB do well in by elections...

    Big change in expectations for the Tories from Batley and Spen where it was generally expected they'd gain the seat. They didn't, but there was a 2.9% swing in their favour.

    Oh what they'd give for a 2.9% swing against now...
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 3,335
    I really want the wordle answer to be ROGER one day. I think it’d be fine in US English with the common “message received” meaning, but I don’t expect Americans would get the rather smuttier British English verb meaning.

    I was somewhat amused to discover that the etymology of the verb meaning seems to be from old high German ‘hrotger’ which was a kind of spear!
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,353
    No way will the Tories be even close here. Not a chance.
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,353
    MattW said:

    Fourth.

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Beaten by wordle.
    First ever loss.
    Devastated.

    Wordle 304 6/6

    ⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜
    🟨🟨⬜⬜⬜
    ⬜🟩🟨🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Tough one.
    Todays wordle done in 3.

    Wordle 304 3/6

    ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟨
    ⬜⬜⬜🟨🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Perhaps I should join Mensa.
    Got it in 5. My stepdad and Aunt both failed to get it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,326
    IshmaelZ said:

    Also the ludicrously short odds on Burnham might lengthen when he fails to apply to be candidate, so laying him might be a plan. But as others have said, unattractive bet on either side in a time of high inflation

    fpt that Mensa "workout" was pathetic. I was arguing with someone on the phone while doing it and got 94%.

    As a teaser it is hopeless because it makes you think really - is that all there is to Mensa...
  • Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737
    Don't agree it's a must win for Bojo. Best case scenario for the Tories would be to restrict the swing and still get 40-42%.

    Likewise I would say 50% is a reasonable benchmark for Labour as they got 49.7% in 2017. The question is whether the Tories can get 40%+ or collapse as low as 35%.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 6,483

    8th. Like George Galloway.

    Anyone know what the gorgeous one is planning to do?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 40,208
    The pressure in Wakefield is all on the Opposition. They really need to be comfortably winning by-elections like this mid-term, doubly so given the circumstances of it arising.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157
    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Also the ludicrously short odds on Burnham might lengthen when he fails to apply to be candidate, so laying him might be a plan. But as others have said, unattractive bet on either side in a time of high inflation

    fpt that Mensa "workout" was pathetic. I was arguing with someone on the phone while doing it and got 94%.

    As a teaser it is hopeless because it makes you think really - is that all there is to Mensa...
    Quite, the people who thought it was a good idea don't seem to be terribly intelligent
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 40,208

    8th. Like George Galloway.

    GG getting involved in the by-election, is about the only thing that might rescue the Tories.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 40,208
    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Also the ludicrously short odds on Burnham might lengthen when he fails to apply to be candidate, so laying him might be a plan. But as others have said, unattractive bet on either side in a time of high inflation

    fpt that Mensa "workout" was pathetic. I was arguing with someone on the phone while doing it and got 94%.

    As a teaser it is hopeless because it makes you think really - is that all there is to Mensa...
    Quite, the people who thought it was a good idea don't seem to be terribly intelligent
    Surely it’s just a data-collecting exercise?

    Personal data, rather than test data.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 1,697
    89% chance of Labour winning seems about right. I don't think Boris needs a win, but it's true a win would do wonders for his position. I'm sure the Conservatives will try to manage expectations.

    What's in the news may be important. More Partygate revelations could blow a Moskva-sized hole in all the "it was just a slice of cake" apologias.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 15,523
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think it's a must win for the Tories. Starmer needs to win this, and he will.

    I'm not sure it's a must win for either leader. I cannot see either of them being deposed even if there is increased muttering in the tea rooms.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 14,371
    edited April 19
    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


  • kjhkjh Posts: 7,080
    edited April 19
    Sandpit said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Also the ludicrously short odds on Burnham might lengthen when he fails to apply to be candidate, so laying him might be a plan. But as others have said, unattractive bet on either side in a time of high inflation

    fpt that Mensa "workout" was pathetic. I was arguing with someone on the phone while doing it and got 94%.

    As a teaser it is hopeless because it makes you think really - is that all there is to Mensa...
    Quite, the people who thought it was a good idea don't seem to be terribly intelligent
    Surely it’s just a data-collecting exercise?

    Personal data, rather than test data.
    As @IshmaelZ said it looks like it is designed to sucker you in.

    I avoid the data collection sites, mainly because I can't be bothered. It would have been better to have given you the test without it, make you look brilliant and then give you the option to enter your data and pay for a proper test.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 23,621
    My bit on standards-annihilator Boris Johnson, and his many little enablers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/19/tory-party-boris-johnson-breaking-laws?CMP=share_btn_tw
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 9,596
    Sandpit said:

    8th. Like George Galloway.

    GG getting involved in the by-election, is about the only thing that might rescue the Tories.
    Or the appearance of some mystifyingly well funded "independents" to split the vote like Hartlepool.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202
    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015

    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think it's a must win for the Tories. Starmer needs to win this, and he will.

    I'm not sure it's a must win for either leader. I cannot see either of them being deposed even if there is increased muttering in the tea rooms.
    There is not the slightest chance of Starmer being removed while the Labour party is showing substantial poll leads.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,326
    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,394
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    8th. Like George Galloway.

    GG getting involved in the by-election, is about the only thing that might rescue the Tories.
    Or the appearance of some mystifyingly well funded "independents" to split the vote like Hartlepool.
    What makes you think that such independents would work to the advantage of the Tories?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 1,725
    Sandpit said:

    8th. Like George Galloway.

    GG getting involved in the by-election, is about the only thing that might rescue the Tories.
    Labour will surely win comfortably. Galloway is a totally busted flush given his "Russian state-affiliated media" twitter descriptor.
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,353
    Scott_xP said:

    My bit on standards-annihilator Boris Johnson, and his many little enablers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/19/tory-party-boris-johnson-breaking-laws?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Ha Ha. Centrist Dad wank fodder. Marina Hyde duly obliging and her army of sycophants and online fluffers dutifully fawn over her. :smiley:
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 14,093
    Good morning all

    Are we to afford any credence to the rumours that Ed Balls might be eyeing this by-election for a comeback bid?

    It would be great to have him back – an absolute class act.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 34,010

    8th. Like George Galloway.

    Anyone know what the gorgeous one is planning to do?
    Presumably still whining about having 'Russia state-affiliated media' nailed on to his twitter account. I'm sure his hypothetical opponents would be too high minded to put that on their leaflets..

    Wonderfully it appears above every tweet he poops out. This is his pinned tweet:




  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 43,638
    The Brexit vote should give the Tories a bit more of an edge but on current polling this has to be a walk in the park for Labour. The current swing from the GE is more than twice what is required, let alone any bye election factors. As Mike points out Labour have not been very good at generating these, certainly in comparison with the Lib Dems, but they really shouldn't need any.
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,353

    Good morning all

    Are we to afford any credence to the rumours that Ed Balls might be eyeing this by-election for a comeback bid?

    It would be great to have him back – an absolute class act.

    Why would he do it. He has a very well paying career as a TV "celebrity" riding that gravy train. Money, no hassle, he seems to be having fun doing it too.

    Why give it all up ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 34,010
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    My bit on standards-annihilator Boris Johnson, and his many little enablers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/19/tory-party-boris-johnson-breaking-laws?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Ha Ha. Centrist Dad wank fodder. Marina Hyde duly obliging and her army of sycophants and online fluffers dutifully fawn over her. :smiley:
    I hope you've never used the phrase 'play the ball, not the (wo)man.'
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,353
    DavidL said:

    The Brexit vote should give the Tories a bit more of an edge but on current polling this has to be a walk in the park for Labour. The current swing from the GE is more than twice what is required, let alone any bye election factors. As Mike points out Labour have not been very good at generating these, certainly in comparison with the Lib Dems, but they really shouldn't need any.

    If labour win by anything less than 10% it is a poor result.

    I think they will win handsomely, over 15% majority.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 318
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Fourth.

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Beaten by wordle.
    First ever loss.
    Devastated.

    Wordle 304 6/6

    ⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜
    🟨🟨⬜⬜⬜
    ⬜🟩🟨🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Tough one.
    Todays wordle done in 3.

    Wordle 304 3/6

    ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟨
    ⬜⬜⬜🟨🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Perhaps I should join Mensa.
    Got it in 5. My stepdad and Aunt both failed to get it.
    I managed wordle, quordle, bardle, sweardle and cladder today and this is with covid wooly brain. I have achieved litttle else today. Feel exhausted.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,138
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    Serious question - who is bombing the schools now the Taleban is in charge and implementing Taleban policies in them ?

    ISIS, rogue elements, other warlords ?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 14,093
    Taz said:

    Good morning all

    Are we to afford any credence to the rumours that Ed Balls might be eyeing this by-election for a comeback bid?

    It would be great to have him back – an absolute class act.

    Why would he do it. He has a very well paying career as a TV "celebrity" riding that gravy train. Money, no hassle, he seems to be having fun doing it too.

    Why give it all up ?
    Well yes, there is that. He earns a crust as a TV sleb. But maybe he is lured more by a return to politics than televised cooking challenges (he is a superb cook and indeed is the current champ at the latter).
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,394
    SandraMc said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Fourth.

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Beaten by wordle.
    First ever loss.
    Devastated.

    Wordle 304 6/6

    ⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜
    🟨🟨⬜⬜⬜
    ⬜🟩🟨🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Tough one.
    Todays wordle done in 3.

    Wordle 304 3/6

    ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟨
    ⬜⬜⬜🟨🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Perhaps I should join Mensa.
    Got it in 5. My stepdad and Aunt both failed to get it.
    I managed wordle, quordle, bardle, sweardle and cladder today and this is with covid wooly brain. I have achieved litttle else today. Feel exhausted.
    I didn’t get tradle today:

    https://oec.world/en/tradle/
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 16,252
    It's not a must-win for Johnson; nothing like it, given the circumstances and the national polling.

    The Tories do need to finish in the top two though.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 34,010
    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    Serious question - who is bombing the schools now the Taleban is in charge and implementing Taleban policies in them ?

    ISIS, rogue elements, other warlords ?
    I think there was a simmering conflict between the Taliban & ISIS even before Kabul fell?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 2,352
    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015
    Pulpstar said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    Serious question - who is bombing the schools now the Taleban is in charge and implementing Taleban policies in them ?

    ISIS, rogue elements, other warlords ?
    Without any actual knowledge - all revolutions have groups who spiral into more and more extreme radicalism in the specified idealogy. So there very well may be a Taliban group who thinks that the current government is a bunch of Western sell-outs.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 2,637
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    My bit on standards-annihilator Boris Johnson, and his many little enablers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/19/tory-party-boris-johnson-breaking-laws?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Ha Ha. Centrist Dad wank fodder. Marina Hyde duly obliging and her army of sycophants and online fluffers dutifully fawn over her. :smiley:
    Not sure who the wxxxxr here is, Johnson for breaking the law, or you for trotting out the usual Boris fanboi crap that you come out with.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 1,720

    It's not a must-win for Johnson; nothing like it, given the circumstances and the national polling.

    The Tories do need to finish in the top two though.

    Yes it would be embarrassing for CON - or LAB - to be beaten by Yorkshire Party! LD and GRN will do well to keep their deposits.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015

    It's not a must-win for Johnson; nothing like it, given the circumstances and the national polling.

    The Tories do need to finish in the top two though.

    Yes it would be embarrassing for CON - or LAB - to be beaten by Yorkshire Party! LD and GRN will do well to keep their deposits.
    A heavy enough defeat for the Tories will put pressure on BJ.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 23,621
    BREAKING Government whips have called a mass meeting of the Conservative Party's backbenchers for 8pm tonight in the House of Commons.
    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1516371581731315717
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,163
    I wonder what odds you could get on tories under 10,000 votes
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 1,725
    Interesting article on how German fiscal obduracy is driving France towards Euro-scepticism whether or not Macron prevails.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/17/whoever-ends-up-in-elysee-palace-europeanism-is-already-on-the-way-out

    The Greeks, of course, don't need to be told.

    Will Scholz be more relenting than Merkel? A lot will hinge on how "communitaire" the Germans really are prepared to be.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 9,596
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
    At least we're still bombing Iraq. They're the lucky ones.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 8,012

    It's not a must-win for Johnson; nothing like it, given the circumstances and the national polling.

    The Tories do need to finish in the top two though.

    But if the Tories are trounced it will mean that the great Red Wall issue of Brexit has withered and died as a political motivator. Surely that will be enough to send shivers through the Tory ranks. Without the halo of Brexit Boris is nothing.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,326
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
    Oh I'm sorry did you miss the modus operandi of the West over the past two decades.

    tl;dr the policies? They fucked Afghan with it. And Iraq. They invaded, then lost the wars in Afghan and Iraq. Think Vietnam if you want a handy guide.

    So on the assumption you don't want to re-invade, how else would you suggest we don't ignore the country's fate.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202
    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    My bit on standards-annihilator Boris Johnson, and his many little enablers https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/19/tory-party-boris-johnson-breaking-laws?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Ha Ha. Centrist Dad wank fodder. Marina Hyde duly obliging and her army of sycophants and online fluffers dutifully fawn over her. :smiley:
    Does that make you a coprophiliac ? :smile:
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,522

    Emmanuel Macron is abolishing the diplomatic corps and replacing it with a system of political appointments. Very strange timing and he's been attacked from across the political spectrum. Le Pen says she will reverse the decision.

    Imagine the comments if we did that here......

    What a stupid decision by Macron.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 11,930
    How to help Ukraine 20220419_0122

    1) Give the refugees money: Disasters Emergency Committee
    Web: https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help
    By phone: call 0370 60 60 900.
    By post: make your donation payable to the DEC Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal, PO Box 999, London EC3A 3AA. The form is here: https://www.dec.org.uk/sites/default/files/GetInvolved/postal_donation_form.pdf
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help

    2) Give the refugees money: British Red Cross
    Web: https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
    By phone: 0300 023 0820
    By post: https://static.redcross.org.uk/-/media/BritishRedCross/Forms/Postal-donation-form-2021-May.ashx
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal

    3) Fight alongside them: Ukraine International Legion
    Web: https://fightforua.org/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/to-combat-russia-ukraine-invites-foreign-fighters-heres-how-to-apply/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/want-to-help-ukraines-military-as-a-foreigner-heres-what-you-can-do/
    People who have done it IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrGd0BcLmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_Azyen5cE

    4) Give the Ukranian Armed Forces money: Come Back Alive
    Come Back Alive (Povertaysya Zhyvym) is a Kyiv-based charity working for the military in Ukraine. It provides defensive equipment (reconnaisance drones, body armor, thermal imagers, laptops, etc)
    Web: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/donate

    (I'll post this again tonight to catch the late-night crowd)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 14,093
    MrEd said:

    Emmanuel Macron is abolishing the diplomatic corps and replacing it with a system of political appointments. Very strange timing and he's been attacked from across the political spectrum. Le Pen says she will reverse the decision.

    Imagine the comments if we did that here......

    What a stupid decision by Macron.
    You still backing Le Pen for the win?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015
    MrEd said:

    Emmanuel Macron is abolishing the diplomatic corps and replacing it with a system of political appointments. Very strange timing and he's been attacked from across the political spectrum. Le Pen says she will reverse the decision.

    Imagine the comments if we did that here......

    What a stupid decision by Macron.
    I presume this is about trying to breakup the "Thing" in French politics/high government posts. Rather like the closing of the École Nationale d’Administration.

    At least nominally. Probably the usual power grab behind it....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,691

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
    Haber Bosch process.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,138
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
    At least we're still bombing Iraq. They're the lucky ones.
    Are we still bombing Iraq ? I thought we'd stopped by now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
    Oh I'm sorry did you miss the modus operandi of the West over the past two decades.

    tl;dr the policies? They fucked Afghan with it. And Iraq. They invaded, then lost the wars in Afghan and Iraq. Think Vietnam if you want a handy guide.

    So on the assumption you don't want to re-invade, how else would you suggest we don't ignore the country's fate.
    Food aid, for a start. Unless you prefer we just leave them alone to starve ?

    Vietnam is a crap comparison, and a whole different set of mistakes.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 35,146

    Emmanuel Macron is abolishing the diplomatic corps and replacing it with a system of political appointments. Very strange timing and he's been attacked from across the political spectrum. Le Pen says she will reverse the decision.

    France Trump!
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 2,637
    Scott_xP said:

    BREAKING Government whips have called a mass meeting of the Conservative Party's backbenchers for 8pm tonight in the House of Commons.
    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1516371581731315717

    Operation Big Dog-save the liar goes up a stage.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,138
    viewcode said:

    How to help Ukraine 20220419_0122

    1) Give the refugees money: Disasters Emergency Committee
    Web: https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help
    By phone: call 0370 60 60 900.
    By post: make your donation payable to the DEC Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal, PO Box 999, London EC3A 3AA. The form is here: https://www.dec.org.uk/sites/default/files/GetInvolved/postal_donation_form.pdf
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help

    2) Give the refugees money: British Red Cross
    Web: https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
    By phone: 0300 023 0820
    By post: https://static.redcross.org.uk/-/media/BritishRedCross/Forms/Postal-donation-form-2021-May.ashx
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal

    3) Fight alongside them: Ukraine International Legion
    Web: https://fightforua.org/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/to-combat-russia-ukraine-invites-foreign-fighters-heres-how-to-apply/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/want-to-help-ukraines-military-as-a-foreigner-heres-what-you-can-do/
    People who have done it IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrGd0BcLmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_Azyen5cE

    4) Give the Ukranian Armed Forces money: Come Back Alive
    Come Back Alive (Povertaysya Zhyvym) is a Kyiv-based charity working for the military in Ukraine. It provides defensive equipment (reconnaisance drones, body armor, thermal imagers, laptops, etc)
    Web: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/donate

    (I'll post this again tonight to catch the late-night crowd)

    Option 3 is distinctly DYOR.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
    Haber Bosch process.
    Yes. You could use coal gasification to produce the hydrogen, but is that common?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 35,146
    I'm beginning to wonder whether the US and UK introducing punitive tariffs (and by that I mean 5000% tariffs) on products produced using energy derived from Russian gas would be viable. I wonder how easily traceable it is and whether Biden could be convinced.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
    Probably right. What you are after is hydrogen which you get from methane, or fuel oil. The relevant point being, fertiliser prices vary directly with oil prices.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 46,234
    tlg86 said:

    SandraMc said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Fourth.

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Beaten by wordle.
    First ever loss.
    Devastated.

    Wordle 304 6/6

    ⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜
    🟨🟨⬜⬜⬜
    ⬜🟩🟨🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Tough one.
    Todays wordle done in 3.

    Wordle 304 3/6

    ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟨
    ⬜⬜⬜🟨🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Perhaps I should join Mensa.
    Got it in 5. My stepdad and Aunt both failed to get it.
    I managed wordle, quordle, bardle, sweardle and cladder today and this is with covid wooly brain. I have achieved litttle else today. Feel exhausted.
    I didn’t get tradle today:

    https://oec.world/en/tradle/
    The clue was in the total value of exports.
  • felixfelix Posts: 14,261
    It is not a must- win for the Tories or Boris but a heavy loss ought to mean a new leader. I hope that happens unless he goes before!
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 1,701
    edited April 19
    MrEd said:

    Emmanuel Macron is abolishing the diplomatic corps and replacing it with a system of political appointments. Very strange timing and he's been attacked from across the political spectrum. Le Pen says she will reverse the decision.

    Imagine the comments if we did that here......

    What a stupid decision by Macron.
    It’s old news as this is part of the reforms started by Macron . Le Pen is just seizing on this now to try and re-float her sinking campaign .
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 35,146
    viewcode said:

    How to help Ukraine 20220419_0122

    1) Give the refugees money: Disasters Emergency Committee
    Web: https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help
    By phone: call 0370 60 60 900.
    By post: make your donation payable to the DEC Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal, PO Box 999, London EC3A 3AA. The form is here: https://www.dec.org.uk/sites/default/files/GetInvolved/postal_donation_form.pdf
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help

    2) Give the refugees money: British Red Cross
    Web: https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
    By phone: 0300 023 0820
    By post: https://static.redcross.org.uk/-/media/BritishRedCross/Forms/Postal-donation-form-2021-May.ashx
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal

    3) Fight alongside them: Ukraine International Legion
    Web: https://fightforua.org/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/to-combat-russia-ukraine-invites-foreign-fighters-heres-how-to-apply/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/want-to-help-ukraines-military-as-a-foreigner-heres-what-you-can-do/
    People who have done it IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrGd0BcLmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_Azyen5cE

    4) Give the Ukranian Armed Forces money: Come Back Alive
    Come Back Alive (Povertaysya Zhyvym) is a Kyiv-based charity working for the military in Ukraine. It provides defensive equipment (reconnaisance drones, body armor, thermal imagers, laptops, etc)
    Web: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/donate

    (I'll post this again tonight to catch the late-night crowd)

    I've had Ukrainians tell me not to donate to the British Red Cross as they are treating all people the same which includes giving aid to Russians.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
    Probably right. What you are after is hydrogen which you get from methane, or fuel oil. The relevant point being, fertiliser prices vary directly with oil prices.
    I though gas prices and oil prices had (partially) disconnected?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 46,234
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    Ummm, isn't nitrogen fertilizer made with natural gas using the Haber process?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
    Probably right. What you are after is hydrogen which you get from methane, or fuel oil. The relevant point being, fertiliser prices vary directly with oil prices.
    Incidentally, I'm sure I heard several people suggesting Green Hydrogen (from excess wind power production) as a source for the process. Has anything happened on this?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157
    rcs1000 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    Ummm, isn't nitrogen fertilizer made with natural gas using the Haber process?
    per wp

    Sources of hydrogen

    The major source of hydrogen is methane from natural gas. The conversion, steam reforming, is conducted with steam in a high-temperature and pressure tube inside a reformer with a nickel catalyst, separating the carbon and hydrogen atoms in the natural gas, yielding hydrogen gas and carbon dioxide waste. Other fossil fuel sources include coal, heavy fuel oil and naphtha. Green hydrogen is produced without fossil fuels or carbon dioxide waste from biomass, electrolysis of water and the thermochemical (solar or other heat source) splitting of water.[19][20][21]
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 30,750
    I wonder if @Leon could knap something longer-lasting for this piece of Ukrainian artwork?

    https://twitter.com/lorenzo_tondo/status/1516153966639431690
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
    Probably right. What you are after is hydrogen which you get from methane, or fuel oil. The relevant point being, fertiliser prices vary directly with oil prices.
    I though gas prices and oil prices had (partially) disconnected?
    If so the ferti mfrrs are keeping that to themselves, never known so many farmers seeing the organic light simultaneously

    more here

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/21/fertiliser-prices-hit-new-highs-as-multiple-problems-affect-global-supplies
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 643
    MaxPB said:

    viewcode said:

    How to help Ukraine 20220419_0122

    1) Give the refugees money: Disasters Emergency Committee
    Web: https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help
    By phone: call 0370 60 60 900.
    By post: make your donation payable to the DEC Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal, PO Box 999, London EC3A 3AA. The form is here: https://www.dec.org.uk/sites/default/files/GetInvolved/postal_donation_form.pdf
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help

    2) Give the refugees money: British Red Cross
    Web: https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
    By phone: 0300 023 0820
    By post: https://static.redcross.org.uk/-/media/BritishRedCross/Forms/Postal-donation-form-2021-May.ashx
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal

    3) Fight alongside them: Ukraine International Legion
    Web: https://fightforua.org/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/to-combat-russia-ukraine-invites-foreign-fighters-heres-how-to-apply/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/want-to-help-ukraines-military-as-a-foreigner-heres-what-you-can-do/
    People who have done it IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrGd0BcLmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_Azyen5cE

    4) Give the Ukranian Armed Forces money: Come Back Alive
    Come Back Alive (Povertaysya Zhyvym) is a Kyiv-based charity working for the military in Ukraine. It provides defensive equipment (reconnaisance drones, body armor, thermal imagers, laptops, etc)
    Web: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/donate

    (I'll post this again tonight to catch the late-night crowd)

    I've had Ukrainians tell me not to donate to the British Red Cross as they are treating all people the same which includes giving aid to Russians.
    Granddaughters aged 12 and 10 with their friends, raised €500 for Ukraine with an orange juice (they live in a village surrounded by orange trees) and cake stall at the village festival in Melegis south of Granada. They gave the cash to Unicef.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 4,468
    edited April 19

    Interesting article on how German fiscal obduracy is driving France towards Euro-scepticism whether or not Macron prevails.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/17/whoever-ends-up-in-elysee-palace-europeanism-is-already-on-the-way-out

    The Greeks, of course, don't need to be told.

    Will Scholz be more relenting than Merkel? A lot will hinge on how "communitaire" the Germans really are prepared to be.

    "Macron’s bid for a second term can be seen as the last gasp of French centre-left pro-Europeanism" - of course, the winners are actually the losers. This kind of contrarianism should be confined to Oxbridge undergraduates and blokes hawking subscriptions to their newsletters.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 9,596
    Pulpstar said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
    At least we're still bombing Iraq. They're the lucky ones.
    Are we still bombing Iraq ? I thought we'd stopped by now.
    Operation Shader is entering its eighth glorious year. It goes on mainly to justify the extremely expensive and otherwise useless existence of the Cypus SBA/RAF Akrotiri.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,326
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
    Oh I'm sorry did you miss the modus operandi of the West over the past two decades.

    tl;dr the policies? They fucked Afghan with it. And Iraq. They invaded, then lost the wars in Afghan and Iraq. Think Vietnam if you want a handy guide.

    So on the assumption you don't want to re-invade, how else would you suggest we don't ignore the country's fate.
    Food aid, for a start. Unless you prefer we just leave them alone to starve ?

    Vietnam is a crap comparison, and a whole different set of mistakes.
    We are very creative at inventing new mistakes on each of our in/excursions.

    What is food aid going to do and how would it be delivered and to whom and by whom.

    "Something Must Be Done" - right?

    Explain the details pls.
  • eekeek Posts: 20,255

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
    Probably right. What you are after is hydrogen which you get from methane, or fuel oil. The relevant point being, fertiliser prices vary directly with oil prices.
    Incidentally, I'm sure I heard several people suggesting Green Hydrogen (from excess wind power production) as a source for the process. Has anything happened on this?
    EDF announced a plant on Teesside in March to go alongside the one BP announced last November https://www.edfenergy.com/media-centre/news-releases/new-green-hydrogen-project-edf-renewables-uk-and-hynamics-teeside

    Lead time is years of course simply because it's a big project.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 1,697
    MaxPB said:

    viewcode said:

    How to help Ukraine 20220419_0122

    1) Give the refugees money: Disasters Emergency Committee
    Web: https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help
    By phone: call 0370 60 60 900.
    By post: make your donation payable to the DEC Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal, PO Box 999, London EC3A 3AA. The form is here: https://www.dec.org.uk/sites/default/files/GetInvolved/postal_donation_form.pdf
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help

    2) Give the refugees money: British Red Cross
    Web: https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
    By phone: 0300 023 0820
    By post: https://static.redcross.org.uk/-/media/BritishRedCross/Forms/Postal-donation-form-2021-May.ashx
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal

    3) Fight alongside them: Ukraine International Legion
    Web: https://fightforua.org/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/to-combat-russia-ukraine-invites-foreign-fighters-heres-how-to-apply/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/want-to-help-ukraines-military-as-a-foreigner-heres-what-you-can-do/
    People who have done it IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrGd0BcLmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_Azyen5cE

    4) Give the Ukranian Armed Forces money: Come Back Alive
    Come Back Alive (Povertaysya Zhyvym) is a Kyiv-based charity working for the military in Ukraine. It provides defensive equipment (reconnaisance drones, body armor, thermal imagers, laptops, etc)
    Web: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/donate

    (I'll post this again tonight to catch the late-night crowd)

    I've had Ukrainians tell me not to donate to the British Red Cross as they are treating all people the same which includes giving aid to Russians.
    That is the only way the Red Cross can and should work.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,691
    edited April 19
    MaxPB said:

    viewcode said:

    How to help Ukraine 20220419_0122

    1) Give the refugees money: Disasters Emergency Committee
    Web: https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help
    By phone: call 0370 60 60 900.
    By post: make your donation payable to the DEC Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal, PO Box 999, London EC3A 3AA. The form is here: https://www.dec.org.uk/sites/default/files/GetInvolved/postal_donation_form.pdf
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help

    2) Give the refugees money: British Red Cross
    Web: https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
    By phone: 0300 023 0820
    By post: https://static.redcross.org.uk/-/media/BritishRedCross/Forms/Postal-donation-form-2021-May.ashx
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal

    3) Fight alongside them: Ukraine International Legion
    Web: https://fightforua.org/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/to-combat-russia-ukraine-invites-foreign-fighters-heres-how-to-apply/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/want-to-help-ukraines-military-as-a-foreigner-heres-what-you-can-do/
    People who have done it IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrGd0BcLmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_Azyen5cE

    4) Give the Ukranian Armed Forces money: Come Back Alive
    Come Back Alive (Povertaysya Zhyvym) is a Kyiv-based charity working for the military in Ukraine. It provides defensive equipment (reconnaisance drones, body armor, thermal imagers, laptops, etc)
    Web: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/donate

    (I'll post this again tonight to catch the late-night crowd)

    I've had Ukrainians tell me not to donate to the British Red Cross as they are treating all people the same which includes giving aid to Russians.
    I favour this one https://www.gofundme.com/f/helpukraine run by ex-pat Ukrainians with direct links for distribution of aid.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,062
    Ex Kremlin official and Gazprombank vice president is found dead 'with gun in his hand' in his luxury Moscow apartment beside bodies of his wife and daughter, 13

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10731251/Ex-Kremlin-official-Gazprombank-vice-president-dead-gun-hand.html
  • TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
    Oh I'm sorry did you miss the modus operandi of the West over the past two decades.

    tl;dr the policies? They fucked Afghan with it. And Iraq. They invaded, then lost the wars in Afghan and Iraq. Think Vietnam if you want a handy guide.

    So on the assumption you don't want to re-invade, how else would you suggest we don't ignore the country's fate.
    Why shouldn't we ignore the country's fate.

    We tried, they didn't want our help. Plenty of other countries in the world that do.
  • MaxPB said:

    viewcode said:

    How to help Ukraine 20220419_0122

    1) Give the refugees money: Disasters Emergency Committee
    Web: https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help
    By phone: call 0370 60 60 900.
    By post: make your donation payable to the DEC Ukraine Humanitarian Appeal, PO Box 999, London EC3A 3AA. The form is here: https://www.dec.org.uk/sites/default/files/GetInvolved/postal_donation_form.pdf
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://www.dec.org.uk/how-you-can-help

    2) Give the refugees money: British Red Cross
    Web: https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
    By phone: 0300 023 0820
    By post: https://static.redcross.org.uk/-/media/BritishRedCross/Forms/Postal-donation-form-2021-May.ashx
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: see https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal

    3) Fight alongside them: Ukraine International Legion
    Web: https://fightforua.org/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/to-combat-russia-ukraine-invites-foreign-fighters-heres-how-to-apply/
    See also: https://kyivindependent.com/national/want-to-help-ukraines-military-as-a-foreigner-heres-what-you-can-do/
    People who have done it IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrGd0BcLmA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6_Azyen5cE

    4) Give the Ukranian Armed Forces money: Come Back Alive
    Come Back Alive (Povertaysya Zhyvym) is a Kyiv-based charity working for the military in Ukraine. It provides defensive equipment (reconnaisance drones, body armor, thermal imagers, laptops, etc)
    Web: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/
    By paypal, card, bank transfer etc: https://www.comebackalive.in.ua/donate

    (I'll post this again tonight to catch the late-night crowd)

    I've had Ukrainians tell me not to donate to the British Red Cross as they are treating all people the same which includes giving aid to Russians.
    That is the only way the Red Cross can and should work.
    It is, absolutely, but it also means if you want to give aid to Ukraine, then don't give aid to the Red Cross.

    The Red Cross are strictly neutral, always.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,326
    edited April 19

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    Same old in Afghanistan...

    3 blasts in Shi'ite neighborhood of Dasht-e-Barchi of Kabul, Afghanistan this morning. First blast targeted a private education center & two others target Abdurahim Shahid High School. Initial reports suggest over 20 deaths. Developing.
    https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1516330269128671235

    S'OK they're brown. We have changed the socio-economic profile of those people we care about.
    No, it's not OK.
    We left because the occupation was untenable. How we deal with a fundamentalist and repressive Taliban government is a hard question, but ignoring the country's fate is wrong.
    Oh I'm sorry did you miss the modus operandi of the West over the past two decades.

    tl;dr the policies? They fucked Afghan with it. And Iraq. They invaded, then lost the wars in Afghan and Iraq. Think Vietnam if you want a handy guide.

    So on the assumption you don't want to re-invade, how else would you suggest we don't ignore the country's fate.
    Why shouldn't we ignore the country's fate.

    We tried, they didn't want our help. Plenty of other countries in the world that do.
    I couldn't agree more; that was precisely my point. Self-determination for nations, I say.

    And, er, bombing them in Iraq aside that's what we are doing. It was @Nigelb who wanted not to ignore their fate and wants to send some KitKats over or something
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    The issue I think is nitrogen in wastewater (ie sewage). Agriculatural land leaches nitrogen into the environment at a given rate (you can google the calculations somewhere), and depending on the density of the development, water usage, and method of sewage treatment, a housing development can result in increased discharge of nitrates into the environment.

    Some things are quite sensitive to the amount of available nitrogen. Bluebells, for example, do well in nutrient poor areas.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 35,326
    Where's @williamglenn when you need him. And @TSE for that matter.

    Those bloody sneaky French. They've only gone and added us, their arch foe, to their Green travel list, moving us from Orange when no one was looking. Does our centuries-old enmity mean nothing any more?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,015
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    Talking of Planning, there's an interesting little complicated issue brewing.

    74 local authorities have restricted Plannign Apps - in some cases simly freezing a *lot* - because English Heritage have advised that there is a requirement to show that developments do not increase *nitrate* pollution.

    Follows an ECJ ruling on a Dutch case from 2018. I have no idea what this has to do with UK housebuilding now. 60k houses delayed so far, it is estimated.

    Summary here:
    https://www.housingtoday.co.uk/news/huge-extension-to-nutrient-neutrality-rules-threatens-thousands-of-new-homes/5116567.article

    English Nature have sent out a 25 page advisory letter, including 13 Appendices.
    https://www.chichester.gov.uk/media/36219/Position-statement-on-Water-Neutrality-Sept-21-2021/pdf/Position_statement_on_Water_Neutrality_Sept_21_2021.pdf

    Local Planning Authorities seem to have their heads spinning. Affected areas:


    English Heritage? Surely not. Environment Agency / Natural England?

    I'd have thought building on agricultural fields would reduce nitrate pollution in most cases.
    I could of see how digging up a bunch of fields might induce a one-off uptick in nitrates, already in the soil, entering water courses etc.

    Is that the issue here? Tried googling around and didn't get a clear answer.
    Farming and sewage seem to be about level pegging atm. But watch this space, what with the present cost of artificial N fertiliser (it is made out of crude oil) plus farmers going over to Environmental Land Management schemes.
    I thought that Nitrate fertilisers were usually made by converting Methane (natural gas) into Ammonia?
    Probably right. What you are after is hydrogen which you get from methane, or fuel oil. The relevant point being, fertiliser prices vary directly with oil prices.
    I though gas prices and oil prices had (partially) disconnected?
    If so the ferti mfrrs are keeping that to themselves, never known so many farmers seeing the organic light simultaneously

    more here

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/mar/21/fertiliser-prices-hit-new-highs-as-multiple-problems-affect-global-supplies
    Well, gas prices have spiked even more than oil prices.....
  • TimSTimS Posts: 1,773
    tlg86 said:

    SandraMc said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Fourth.

    carnforth said:

    dixiedean said:

    Beaten by wordle.
    First ever loss.
    Devastated.

    Wordle 304 6/6

    ⬜🟨⬜⬜⬜
    🟨🟨⬜⬜⬜
    ⬜🟩🟨🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩⬜
    🟨🟩⬜🟩🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Tough one.
    Todays wordle done in 3.

    Wordle 304 3/6

    ⬜🟩⬜⬜🟨
    ⬜⬜⬜🟨🟨
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Perhaps I should join Mensa.
    Got it in 5. My stepdad and Aunt both failed to get it.
    I managed wordle, quordle, bardle, sweardle and cladder today and this is with covid wooly brain. I have achieved litttle else today. Feel exhausted.
    I didn’t get tradle today:

    https://oec.world/en/tradle/
    I got Tradle in 1. Very pleased (but was a bit of a wild guess)
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