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The French election is getting very tight for Macron – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,049
edited April 2022 in General
imageThe French election is getting very tight for Macron – politicalbetting.com

The first round of voting in the French presidential election is just a week on Sunday. A total of 12 contenders will be on the ballot paper which decides which two go to the final runoff a fortnight later. In many ways this is a similar voting system for the Tory leadership in the UK when MPs vote to decide which two go forward to the membership.

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  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,550
    This doesn't look very tight? It looks like Macron is leading by about 10%, which is a lot, and if you're running an incumbent against a very well-known challenger you're unlikely to get a lot of late switchers.

    I think it's easier to get an upset in the first round than the runoff.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,229

    This doesn't look very tight? It looks like Macron is leading by about 10%, which is a lot, and if you're running an incumbent against a very well-known challenger you're unlikely to get a lot of late switchers.

    I think it's easier to get an upset in the first round than the runoff.

    It's also worth noting that - last time around - Macron did massively better than the polls, and Le Pen meaningfully worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_French_presidential_election#:~:text=The 2017 French presidential election,won by a decisive margin.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?
  • Joh173Joh173 Posts: 1
    edited March 2022
    He´s going to be ki
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    Good analysis of why India has stayed neutral on the Russia’s invasion of Ukraine:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/russia-ukraine-india-china-democracy-quad.html
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,077
    edited March 2022
    As I mentioned previously, Marine LePen actually led Macron in the 2017 polls. Macron went on to beat her 66% to 33%.

    I think laying him would be a mistake and I expect a comfortable Macron victory in the run-off.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2017_French_presidential_election
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,077
    rcs1000 said:

    This doesn't look very tight? It looks like Macron is leading by about 10%, which is a lot, and if you're running an incumbent against a very well-known challenger you're unlikely to get a lot of late switchers.

    I think it's easier to get an upset in the first round than the runoff.

    It's also worth noting that - last time around - Macron did massively better than the polls, and Le Pen meaningfully worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_French_presidential_election#:~:text=The 2017 French presidential election,won by a decisive margin.
    Snap. Sorry just read this back.

    By the way did you ever get back to me about the BA pilots thing or did you get the wrong person? Just curious.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,742
    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,077
    Nigelb said:

    Good analysis of why India has stayed neutral on the Russia’s invasion of Ukraine:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/russia-ukraine-india-china-democracy-quad.html

    There was a similarly good article a couple of weeks back in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/history-politics-mercenaries-many-african-nations-quietly-standing/

    Awkward that Truss and Lavrov are in India at the same time. Reminds me of that moment when Hannibal Lecter suggests to Clarice Starling that people will start talking.

    Come to think of it, Lavrov and Truss do rather resemble Hannibal and Clarice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    Heathener said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good analysis of why India has stayed neutral on the Russia’s invasion of Ukraine:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/russia-ukraine-india-china-democracy-quad.html

    There was a similarly good article a couple of weeks back in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/history-politics-mercenaries-many-african-nations-quietly-standing/

    Awkward that Truss and Lavrov are in India at the same time. Reminds me of that moment when Hannibal Lecter suggests to Clarice Starling that people will start talking.

    Come to think of it, Lavrov and Truss do rather resemble Hannibal and Clarice.
    The vibe is more Munsters than Silence of the Lambs.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    edited March 2022
    .

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    He’s an old school autocrat - I’m not even sure he uses the internet ?
    He has minions for that stuff.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,742

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    When you think how much of that tank force has to be stationed in the Far East - just in case China should go for a land grab - and how much more is tied down to keep dodgy republics in check, with another tranche to protect Moscow/St Petersburg, it is a very considerable proportion of the potential force that Russia could have used against NATO.

    Not that it is going anywhere near NATO until, well, it has some answers to cheap but effective defensive Ruskie-killing kit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,742
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."

    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    He’s an old school autocrat - I’m not even sure he uses the internet ?
    He has minions for that stuff.
    "I don't want to have to tell him...."

    https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/143/14354.gif
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,215
    I've been pleased to see this fundraiser is doing ok. Very simple idea - just take sleeping bags and dry food to the volunteers fighting the Russians. Cuts right through the crap. The organiser is a former UK soldier who has been to Eastern Ukraine and set up a network to distribute the supplies and has an endorsement from the city authorities in Lviv. Mostly business donations, but they are also trying to raise £30k on gofundme.

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/delivering-emergency-supplies-to-ukraine

  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,077
    edited March 2022

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    Ruskie-killing kit.
    Your salivation is pretty revolting. Maybe a better site for you would be one in which you can enjoy your war gaming alongside fellow boys with toys rather than a political betting forum.

    I appreciate there's a horrible war in Ukraine, but it's just that: horrible. There is no glamour in any of this and no place for testosterone-fuelled glorification.

    'If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.'
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,215
    One of the positive things about the war in Ukraine has been watching linkedin. Lots of international corporate types with offices in Ukraine describing their colleagues join the territorial defence and in some cases dying. This does make a big change from the social justice stuff which is fading in to the background. The war in Ukraine profoundly redefines modern ideas of bravery and heroism. Perhaps young people are simply not used to the idea of having to fight a defensive war.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,524
    Good morning, everyone.

    I know this is a new series of "Qui est la presidente?"* but I'm pretty sure it's just repeating the same old script.



    *My French was bad even at school so apologies for basic errors.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,524
    F1: Las Vegas to host a night race from next year:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-las-vegas-to-host-formula-1-night-race-from-2023.69O9nKLwKraqAhR5rr8TQg.html

    That's some bullshit. Three races in one country.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,215
    Heathener said:

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    Ruskie-killing kit.
    Your salivation is pretty revolting. Maybe a better site for you would be one in which you can enjoy your war gaming alongside fellow boys with toys rather than a political betting forum.

    I appreciate there's a horrible war in Ukraine, but it's just that: horrible. There is no glamour in any of this and no place for testosterone-fuelled glorification.

    'If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.'
    Sadly the more damage done to Russian military capability (both human and technical), the safer the world is. They started this whole problem with their insane ideas about empire and territorial expansion. Their solution is through regime change and completely rethinking their idea of nation, if they want to avoid complete societal collapse. Nothing to celebrate, it is just a tragedy.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    edited March 2022

    F1: Las Vegas to host a night race from next year:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-las-vegas-to-host-formula-1-night-race-from-2023.69O9nKLwKraqAhR5rr8TQg.html

    That's some bullshit. Three races in one country.

    Why is it bullshit? I recall there were three in the US in 1982. Vegas, Long Beach and another that I can't remember. Watkins Glen? It's probably happened on other occasions, too.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,742
    rcs1000 said:
    That's not going to be popular with lip-readers!
  • F1: Las Vegas to host a night race from next year:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-las-vegas-to-host-formula-1-night-race-from-2023.69O9nKLwKraqAhR5rr8TQg.html

    That's some bullshit. Three races in one country.

    Last time they were in Vegas the town didn't care. Suspect different reaction this time - it'll be a party atmosphere.

    Multiple races in the same country isn't great, but better Las Vegs than Qatar.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,109
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,555
    Does anyone know why the race is likely tightening? Le Pen has at least distanced herself from Putin now but I'd still be very uneasy with her as president.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,478
    It's started snowing fairly heavily here, just outside Cambridge. Appears to be settling.

    It's not expected to last long, but the little 'un's excited.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,138
    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Are we really saying Putin does not have access to bbc, cnn, al jazeera etc? Come on, it is quite likely he was misinformed about capabilities before the start of the war, but he will know what is happening now. The story is just nice propaganda to undermine him further.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,742
    Heathener said:

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    Ruskie-killing kit.
    Your salivation is pretty revolting. Maybe a better site for you would be one in which you can enjoy your war gaming alongside fellow boys with toys rather than a political betting forum.

    I appreciate there's a horrible war in Ukraine, but it's just that: horrible. There is no glamour in any of this and no place for testosterone-fuelled glorification.

    'If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.'
    If they'd stay within their borders, we wouldn't need Ruskie-killing kit.

    They don't, so we do.

    Putin's choice, to get tens of thousands of Russians killed and maimed.





  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,138
    On Le Pen, obviously she has the national front background, but how extreme is she and her party today?

    As a comparison which UK politicians would be closest to her politics?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349
    Shamelessly stolen from another forum:

    ” Russian cosmonauts are now back after a long time in space, the commander updates them on the latest events:

    Commander -As per President Putin we are conducting a special military operation in Ukraine. In fact, it's a conflict between Russia and NATO to determine who will dominate the world for the next hundred years.

    Cosmonaut-What's the situation now?

    Commander-We have lost more than 15,000 soldiers, 6 generals, 500 tanks, 3 ships, 100 planes and 1,000 trucks and armoured personnel carriers.

    The shaken Cosmonauts ask: -And NATO? How much did it lose?

    Commander- NATO has not yet arrived


    https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=21070061&cid=62403885
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349

    F1: Las Vegas to host a night race from next year:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-las-vegas-to-host-formula-1-night-race-from-2023.69O9nKLwKraqAhR5rr8TQg.html

    That's some bullshit. Three races in one country.

    That’s going to be one hell of a party - Monaco on steroids. I’m going to try to be there.

    Three races (out of probably 25 next year) in the country where they are experiencing the most growth in audience, and have a couple of hundred million more potential fans.

    Going to be on boxing timezones though, 4am or thereabouts in the UK.

    Would we rather they did three in China, or kept going to Saudi instead?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,524
    Mr. Ace, because the calendar is overstuffed already. With what should be limited slots, they should look at racing in new countries not stacking new races in current countries.

    Mr. Sandpit, I don't think 25-30 races is desirable. If a new one is required we could go crazy and have one in Germany...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,332
    A comfortable majority of those who vote for the other 10 candidates who are about to be eliminated will vote for Macron in the second round. Not yet convinced it will be as close as the last time.

    Which is a pity. Macron has shown himself to be no friend of ours and, in my opinion, looks increasingly foolish in his dealings with Russia. But a serious candidate around whom the disillusioned could coalesce simply did not emerge.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    The Ukranian figures, even with a large pinch of salt, has the Russian Army and Air Force literally decimated, from one month of fighting in Ukraine.

    https://www.minusrus.com/en/

    They’ve lost nearly 20% of their “tank force” - but given they’re now shipping WWII relics towards the battle, I’ll take an educated guess that the total number of serviceable modern tanks is a small fraction of what they claim it to be.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    Dura_Ace said:

    F1: Las Vegas to host a night race from next year:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-las-vegas-to-host-formula-1-night-race-from-2023.69O9nKLwKraqAhR5rr8TQg.html

    That's some bullshit. Three races in one country.

    Why is it bullshit? I recall there were three in the US in 1982. Vegas, Long Beach and another that I can't remember. Watkins Glen? It's probably happened on other occasions, too.
    The first of those in a parking lot.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,109
    Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia are the top three proliferators of state-linked Twitter misinformation campaigns, according to a report released Wednesday by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI).
    https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/russia_iran_and_saudi_arabia/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,332
    Nigelb said:
    Puts my concern about a wee bit of snow this morning into perspective, that's for sure. Bit worried about them giving Edinburgh traffic authorities ideas though. Even more effective than closing half the roads.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,965

    Does anyone know why the race is likely tightening? Le Pen has at least distanced herself from Putin now but I'd still be very uneasy with her as president.

    It looks like two factors at play. One is that final rounds of French presidential elections are won on which guy supporters of eliminated candidates dislike the least. So supporters of left candidates who don't like either Macron or Le Pen tell opinion polls they will sit on their hands on the final round. They will probably vote Macron when it comes to it, as they did before.

    The other factor is that Macron is getting the blame for cost of living squeezes.

    His campaign is going in the wrong direction but he still has a substantial margin.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,761
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    The Ukranian figures, even with a large pinch of salt, has the Russian Army and Air Force literally decimated, from one month of fighting in Ukraine.

    https://www.minusrus.com/en/

    They’ve lost nearly 20% of their “tank force” - but given they’re now shipping WWII relics towards the battle, I’ll take an educated guess that the total number of serviceable modern tanks is a small fraction of what they claim it to be.
    I don't think "literally decimated" as that would involve every tenth soldier being clubbed to death by his comrades.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,555
    How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    FF43 said:

    Does anyone know why the race is likely tightening? Le Pen has at least distanced herself from Putin now but I'd still be very uneasy with her as president.

    It looks like two factors at play. One is that final rounds of French presidential elections are won on which guy supporters of eliminated candidates dislike the least. So supporters of left candidates who don't like either Macron or Le Pen tell opinion polls they will sit on their hands on the final round. They will probably vote Macron when it comes to it, as they did before.

    The other factor is that Macron is getting the blame for cost of living squeezes.

    His campaign is going in the wrong direction but he still has a substantial margin.

    A third reason is that right now Macron has no-one specific to attack, while all the other candidates can attack him. The entire dynamic of the contest changes after the first round vote.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    .

    How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.

    Oil purchases by China and India - they have to buy roubles to buy the oil.
    Also stringent forex controls have slowed capital outflows.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,451
    edited March 2022

    How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.

    Russia is still trading with most of the world and it is an energy superpower. That creates at least a level of value.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    Not sure this is technically a desertion, as South Ossetia isn't fully a part of Russia, but 300 troops refused to be used for suicide missions, and went home.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/RooslanTotrov/status/1509320247081410567
    Alik’s publication (https://twitter.com/rajdianos/status/1509244396381822978…) requires a background deep dive. Here is what I have to say about South Ossetian soldiers’ voluntary refusal to partake in the warfare in Ukraine.

    Note the majority of Russia's invasion force is non ethnic Russian.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,018

    F1: Las Vegas to host a night race from next year:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-las-vegas-to-host-formula-1-night-race-from-2023.69O9nKLwKraqAhR5rr8TQg.html

    That's some bullshit. Three races in one country.

    Spain has four rounds of MotoGP.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,965

    How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.

    I think it's partly due to the pattern of sanctions driving the balance of supply and demand. No-one is selling anything to Russia any more. investments are being abandoned rather than liquidated. So there's little demand for foreign currency. Meanwhile Russian oil and gas area sold in foreign currency.

    It's not necessarily a sign of business as usual.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    edited March 2022
    FF43 said:

    How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.

    I think it's partly due to the pattern of sanctions driving the balance of supply and demand. No-one is selling anything to Russia any more. investments are being abandoned rather than liquidated. So there's little demand for foreign currency. Meanwhile Russian oil and gas area sold in foreign currency.

    It's not necessarily a sign of business as usual.
    In the short term it doesn't matter - Putin doesn't care overmuch about public (edit) welfare.
    Carried on for long it will seriously degrade the economy.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910
    Heathener said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This doesn't look very tight? It looks like Macron is leading by about 10%, which is a lot, and if you're running an incumbent against a very well-known challenger you're unlikely to get a lot of late switchers.

    I think it's easier to get an upset in the first round than the runoff.

    It's also worth noting that - last time around - Macron did massively better than the polls, and Le Pen meaningfully worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_French_presidential_election#:~:text=The 2017 French presidential election,won by a decisive margin.
    Snap. Sorry just read this back.
    By the way did you ever get back to me about the BA pilots thing or did you get the wrong person? Just curious.
    You didn’t post stuff about ba pilots and the vaccine etc? Fair enough. I recall when you arrived we had a spate of bots putting up stories of those kind. I also recall you posting about your inside information from government about new autumn lockdowns being planned, which were not true in any sense, and people jumped you, assuming you were another of those bots/trolls.
    Do you accept that the rubbish you posted about the autumn lockdowns was rubbish?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,462
    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,109
    Nigelb said:

    Not sure this is technically a desertion, as South Ossetia isn't fully a part of Russia, but 300 troops refused to be used for suicide missions, and went home.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/RooslanTotrov/status/1509320247081410567
    Alik’s publication (https://twitter.com/rajdianos/status/1509244396381822978…) requires a background deep dive. Here is what I have to say about South Ossetian soldiers’ voluntary refusal to partake in the warfare in Ukraine.

    Note the majority of Russia's invasion force is non ethnic Russian.

    Important for those who believe Russian mothers will force Putin to withdraw.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,462

    Heathener said:

    rcs1000 said:

    This doesn't look very tight? It looks like Macron is leading by about 10%, which is a lot, and if you're running an incumbent against a very well-known challenger you're unlikely to get a lot of late switchers.

    I think it's easier to get an upset in the first round than the runoff.

    It's also worth noting that - last time around - Macron did massively better than the polls, and Le Pen meaningfully worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_French_presidential_election#:~:text=The 2017 French presidential election,won by a decisive margin.
    Snap. Sorry just read this back.
    By the way did you ever get back to me about the BA pilots thing or did you get the wrong person? Just curious.
    You didn’t post stuff about ba pilots and the vaccine etc? Fair enough. I recall when you arrived we had a spate of bots putting up stories of those kind. I also recall you posting about your inside information from government about new autumn lockdowns being planned, which were not true in any sense, and people jumped you, assuming you were another of those bots/trolls.
    Do you accept that the rubbish you posted about the autumn lockdowns was rubbish?
    Yes. Another of those ‘I’m hearing government are consulting on a severe lockdown’ - just ludicrous trolling that was commonplace behaviour during the pandemic by the zerocovidians.
  • eekeek Posts: 27,481
    Sandpit said:

    F1: Las Vegas to host a night race from next year:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-las-vegas-to-host-formula-1-night-race-from-2023.69O9nKLwKraqAhR5rr8TQg.html

    That's some bullshit. Three races in one country.

    That’s going to be one hell of a party - Monaco on steroids. I’m going to try to be there.

    Three races (out of probably 25 next year) in the country where they are experiencing the most growth in audience, and have a couple of hundred million more potential fans.

    Going to be on boxing timezones though, 4am or thereabouts in the UK.

    Would we rather they did three in China, or kept going to Saudi instead?
    The race is being funded by F1 directly but yep it's going to be one hell of a party on what was previously the worst weekend of the year for Vegas.

    The Austin contract is up soon and rumour has it there are multiple US locations happy to pay way more than Austin is paying. Netflix has done wonders for F1 in the States.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 68,783
    .

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    Fair question.
    Perhaps because there aren't any publicly available tests out there for common cold coronaviruses, rhinovirus etc ?
    (Outside of public health surveys.)

    Someday there probably will be, and they won't require the current uncomfortable process.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,369
    edited March 2022

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    It’s possible to get covid below the threshold to trigger an LFT. In my household, I’m positive and others got sick a few days later with the exact same symptoms, but a negative LFT. Coincidence ? Maybe. But it seems a good precaution to assume that it might be cv.
  • Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    Because for so many people the LFT experience is a few days of negatives then goes positives. The cold can be bad but we all know what thats like. So when the symptoms are different and the health impact is worse and the test says -ive, the assumption is "probably Covid". As they're really ill its kind of academic at that point - they shouldn't be mixing with people whether it ends up being Covid or not.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,109
    Jonathan said:

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    It’s possible to get covid below the threshold to trigger an LFT. In my household, I’m positive and others got sick a few days later with the exact same symptoms, but a negative LFT. Coincidence ? Maybe. But it seems a good precaution to assume that it might be cv.
    Also, LFTs were recommended for people without symptoms. Those who were ill were advised to take PCR tests.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349
    Nigelb said:

    .

    How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.

    Oil purchases by China and India - they have to buy roubles to buy the oil.
    Also stringent forex controls have slowed capital outflows.
    Yep. Demand for dollars, pounds and euros in Russia has dried up, because there’s no more hard currency left to sell, and Russians can’t get their cash out of the country.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 16,965
    edited March 2022

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    The other way round in my case and in the case of several other people I know. Had the symptoms of a common cold, did an LFT - negative, then a few days later got the positive test.

    So I passed on Covid to a few people when I probably would have taken extra precautions if I thought it was Covid.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,852

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    Don’t give the Treasury ideas. You’ve committed 2% to your otan partners
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,524
    Mr. eek, that's depressing to hear. Austin's the best new circuit in the last 20 years.
  • Good morning

    Rachel Reeves has just given an excellent answer to Kay Burley on the gender debate
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481
    FF43 said:

    How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.

    I think it's partly due to the pattern of sanctions driving the balance of supply and demand. No-one is selling anything to Russia any more. investments are being abandoned rather than liquidated. So there's little demand for foreign currency. Meanwhile Russian oil and gas area sold in foreign currency.

    It's not necessarily a sign of business as usual.
    Also, Russian central bank has forced all business in the country to park any foreign reserves they have back in the country. Also blocked ordinary Russians from converting roubles to foreign currency above a low figure.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,018

    Mr. eek, that's depressing to hear. Austin's the best new circuit in the last 20 years.

    Istanbul Park says hello.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,101

    It's started snowing fairly heavily here, just outside Cambridge. Appears to be settling.

    It's not expected to last long, but the little 'un's excited.

    Been snowing on the Lincolnshire Edge since dawn. Settled and still snowing heavily here.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    The Ukranian figures, even with a large pinch of salt, has the Russian Army and Air Force literally decimated, from one month of fighting in Ukraine.

    https://www.minusrus.com/en/

    They’ve lost nearly 20% of their “tank force” - but given they’re now shipping WWII relics towards the battle, I’ll take an educated guess that the total number of serviceable modern tanks is a small fraction of what they claim it to be.
    It's lucky no one dares tell Putin what's happening. He might be very annoyed.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,524
    Mr. 86, it's a good circuit. But not as good as COTA.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,455

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    It's because people have heard lots of stories about people feeling ill for a few days, testing negative, feeling better, but then testing positive on an LFT. This happened very recently to my brother-in-law and my account manager.

    Now, it could be that they both caught a heavy cold, just before developing asymptomatic Covid, but people are interpreting this as a feature of the BA2 sub-variant and our immune system's response to it. People do have a tendency to over-generalise from scant information, but there does appear to be some basis for it.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,462
    FF43 said:

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    The other way round in my case and in the case of several other people I know. Had the symptoms of a common cold, did an LFT - negative, then a few days later got the positive test.

    So I passed on Covid to a few people when I probably would have taken extra precautions if I thought it was Covid.
    FF43 said:

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    The other way round in my case and in the case of several other people I know. Had the symptoms of a common cold, did an LFT - negative, then a few days later got the positive test.

    So I passed on Covid to a few people when I probably would have taken extra precautions if I thought it was Covid.

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    Because for so many people the LFT experience is a few days of negatives then goes positives. The cold can be bad but we all know what thats like. So when the symptoms are different and the health impact is worse and the test says -ive, the assumption is "probably Covid". As they're really ill its kind of academic at that point - they shouldn't be mixing with people whether it ends up being Covid or not.
    Exactly right. So why test? If you are poorly with a cold/flu/covid, stay at home.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,852
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:
    Puts my concern about a wee bit of snow this morning into perspective, that's for sure. Bit worried about them giving Edinburgh traffic authorities ideas though. Even more effective than closing half the roads.
    There was at least 5 minutes snow in
    Dundee yesterday
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,462
    FF43 said:

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    The other way round in my case and in the case of several other people I know. Had the symptoms of a common cold, did an LFT - negative, then a few days later got the positive test.

    So I passed on Covid to a few people when I probably would have taken extra precautions if I thought it was Covid.
    That is a bizarre attitude. Why go out and spread your germs whether it’s a cold or covid? For many, the former is worse than the latter.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,852

    How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.

    Germany buying roubles to pay their gas bills?
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,267

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    I had Covid at the beginning of last month. While I was ill the LFTs were negative, but the turned positive at the point where I felt better and stayed that way for the rest of the isolation period.
  • FF43 said:

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    The other way round in my case and in the case of several other people I know. Had the symptoms of a common cold, did an LFT - negative, then a few days later got the positive test.

    So I passed on Covid to a few people when I probably would have taken extra precautions if I thought it was Covid.
    FF43 said:

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    The other way round in my case and in the case of several other people I know. Had the symptoms of a common cold, did an LFT - negative, then a few days later got the positive test.

    So I passed on Covid to a few people when I probably would have taken extra precautions if I thought it was Covid.

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    Because for so many people the LFT experience is a few days of negatives then goes positives. The cold can be bad but we all know what thats like. So when the symptoms are different and the health impact is worse and the test says -ive, the assumption is "probably Covid". As they're really ill its kind of academic at that point - they shouldn't be mixing with people whether it ends up being Covid or not.
    Exactly right. So why test? If you are poorly with a cold/flu/covid, stay at home.

    Why not test? Is your objection to there being more Covid cases? It feels like it is eerywhere at the moment - I'm getting bored of people having to make last minute changes to hard to reach plans because they have come down with it. I'd be very happy if it was gone and forgotten but it isn't.

    Which is why you will still see people like me on crowded trains in a mask. I don't wear it everywhere, but where I can reduce my potential exposure at no real cost its a no-brainer. I am far too busy to be laid up for a chunk of the week with the thing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349

    Mr. 86, it's a good circuit. But not as good as COTA.

    COTA is indeed the best of the modern F1 circuits, but their contract is up after two more races, and the negotiation is going to be tough for the promotor.

    The sport should see it as a key renewal though, the Texas audience is quite different to the Miami and Vegas audiences.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 61,481

    Good morning

    Rachel Reeves has just given an excellent answer to Kay Burley on the gender debate

    Should Starmer fall under the proverbial bus she seems the obvious candidate to take over at the moment.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,429

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    At the very height of the various peaks, when unconstrained mass testing was available in the UK, PCR tests never came close to a majority being positive. So 80+% of the time, the person didn't have COVID, despite having had some reason for the test.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,590
    edited March 2022

    Good morning

    Rachel Reeves has just given an excellent answer to Kay Burley on the gender debate

    Should Starmer fall under the proverbial bus she seems the obvious candidate to take over at the moment.
    Starmer wiv a bra
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    Early in the New Year I had a really bad cold, which despite a PCR and several LFTs stayed a really bad cold…..
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 51,742

    Good morning

    Rachel Reeves has just given an excellent answer to Kay Burley on the gender debate

    Should Starmer fall under the proverbial bus she seems the obvious candidate to take over at the moment.
    Starmer wiv a bra
    Sounds more like Ed Miliband wiv a bra...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,507
    Wtf is going on with BJ’s hooter? Has he found a way to brown nose himself?

    https://twitter.com/adamboultontabb/status/1509205458678128650?s=21
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,455
    England lost their first three matches in the Woman's Cricket 50-over World Cup, but have somehow made it to the final with a huge win over South Africa. Can they prevail against Australia in the final?

    One interesting point in relation to yesterday's discussion of male/female differences - not a single 6 was scored in this match. In the most recent England mens ODI, nine 6s were scored in the match.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 48,429
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    The Ukranian figures, even with a large pinch of salt, has the Russian Army and Air Force literally decimated, from one month of fighting in Ukraine.

    https://www.minusrus.com/en/

    They’ve lost nearly 20% of their “tank force” - but given they’re now shipping WWII relics towards the battle, I’ll take an educated guess that the total number of serviceable modern tanks is a small fraction of what they claim it to be.
    I don't think "literally decimated" as that would involve every tenth soldier being clubbed to death by his comrades.
    Decimate has been used in the sense of "to reduce by the order of a tenth" for long enough that the meaning as moved, I feel.

    On the tank vintage thing - just imagine the British Army deploying Centurions.
  • Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    Early in the New Year I had a really bad cold, which despite a PCR and several LFTs stayed a really bad cold…..
    Had a bad cold recently. Lots of people around here had one. Everyone said 'It's a cold."
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,590

    Good morning

    Rachel Reeves has just given an excellent answer to Kay Burley on the gender debate

    Should Starmer fall under the proverbial bus she seems the obvious candidate to take over at the moment.
    Starmer wiv a bra
    Bramer
  • How do we explain the recovering rouble? Admittedly it was at historic lows before the war started but I've been surprised by the way its come back.

    Germany buying roubles to pay their gas bills?
    It seemed likely at one point that Russia might default on its debts. That appears unlikely now.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,455

    Wtf is going on with BJ’s hooter? Has he found a way to brown nose himself?

    https://twitter.com/adamboultontabb/status/1509205458678128650?s=21

    "It's chocolate, not shit"
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 16,910

    Question for PB crowdsource:

    Has anyone else encountered the phenomenon whereby people are ill, ‘pass’ several LFTs (i.e. the tests are negative), yet still assume - and say - they have covid?

    I’ve encountered this several times in the last few weeks. The common cold has not disappeared - and can be unpleasant.

    Why do people say it’s covid when the tests say otherwise?

    I've fallen guilty to this myself a bit. I had a sore throat then minor cold symptom, productive cough for about 10 days. I tested negative, but only one test cos I couldn't be arsed. I wonder if it was covid? No proof BUT with the prevalence so high, there is a good chance it was. The lateral flows are not 100% for detecting and are subject to operator error.

    Also - does it matter now? I think we will be getting new advice from tomorrow when free testing ends.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,987
    Macron will be fine. He's the sanest choice and they know it, push come to shove.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Good morning

    Rachel Reeves has just given an excellent answer to Kay Burley on the gender debate

    Upped her game since she was on R4 then:

    Rachel Reeves tries and fails to square the Keir Starmer circle. Biology is a big part of sex but there are also people who strongly identify as the other sex and they have the "right" to self identify but also women are entitled to single sex spaces. WHICH IS IT? @BBCR4Today


    https://twitter.com/anyabike/status/1509425657977135114
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,708
    Heathener said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good analysis of why India has stayed neutral on the Russia’s invasion of Ukraine:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/03/russia-ukraine-india-china-democracy-quad.html

    There was a similarly good article a couple of weeks back in the Telegraph.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-security/history-politics-mercenaries-many-african-nations-quietly-standing/

    Awkward that Truss and Lavrov are in India at the same time. Reminds me of that moment when Hannibal Lecter suggests to Clarice Starling that people will start talking.

    Come to think of it, Lavrov and Truss do rather resemble Hannibal and Clarice.
    They do, apart from the fact that Liz prefers a glass of Prosecco to a nice Chianti.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,987
    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Hopefully with a fatal heart attack.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,555
    Are we ignoring an uncomfortable truth? I've said for a long time that it should seriously worry us that the largest country in the world is a kind of mafia state. But I'm not sure Russia can any longer be described as a mafia state. It now appears to be a terrorist state.

    1) Deliberately targeting and killing civilians in order to achieve aims it cannot on the battlefield
    2) Kidnapping and holding thousands of people hostage to potentially be used as bait
    3) Threatening violence against those who seek to undermine their political aims

    Some want the Ukrainians to do a deal with Russia to end the war. But at that moment any deal would involve the surrendering of some of their territory. We never gave away any territory in Northern Ireland as part of the peace process. So who are we to tell the Ukrainians that they 'ought' to do so?

    Obviously the comparison between the IRA and the Russian state is absurd. The Russian state is far worse. Republicans in Northern Ireland had some justified grievances in the 1970s. No British city was destroyed in the way that Mariupol has been. Perhaps the size of the threat Ukraine faces means they will feel no need but to compromise. I just hope no-one in the west thinks that it is 'reasonable'. The message to the world would be that our values are paper thin.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,708

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    The Ukranian figures, even with a large pinch of salt, has the Russian Army and Air Force literally decimated, from one month of fighting in Ukraine.

    https://www.minusrus.com/en/

    They’ve lost nearly 20% of their “tank force” - but given they’re now shipping WWII relics towards the battle, I’ll take an educated guess that the total number of serviceable modern tanks is a small fraction of what they claim it to be.
    I don't think "literally decimated" as that would involve every tenth soldier being clubbed to death by his comrades.
    Decimate has been used in the sense of "to reduce by the order of a tenth" for long enough that the meaning as moved, I feel.

    On the tank vintage thing - just imagine the British Army deploying Centurions.
    But 'literally' recalls the true meaning.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,987
    Heathener said:

    Nigelb said:

    How much does Putin know about how badly he’s doing in Ukraine ?
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60936117

    The western intelligence reports are disturbing, if true. How does he react when he finds out ?

    Somebody send him the link to Oryx.

    Russia has lost 2,111 pieces of equipment. Of these, 1102 have been destroyed or damaged. Worse, 1109 have been abandoned or captured.

    Tanks are now 347: destroyed: 157, damaged: 6, abandoned: 42, captured: 142.

    Oh, and for completeness, Vlad: "This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available. Therefore, the amount of equipment destroyed is significantly higher than recorded here."


    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    I think they've lost something like 20% of their whole tank force.

    If you consider that 30-40% of those are down to British NLAWs at £12k a pop then we've made one heck of a good investment in our national security.

    We've degraded 7% of the armoured capability of our principal enemy, by proxy, for about £50m.

    Absolute peanuts in overall defence spending.
    Ruskie-killing kit.
    Your salivation is pretty revolting. Maybe a better site for you would be one in which you can enjoy your war gaming alongside fellow boys with toys rather than a political betting forum.

    I appreciate there's a horrible war in Ukraine, but it's just that: horrible. There is no glamour in any of this and no place for testosterone-fuelled glorification.

    'If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
    Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.'
    Maybe dont be so judgemental about other peoples emotional reaction to an intense situation?

    It's no different than when people get upset and morally uptight at those employing black comedy in response to an awful thing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 53,349

    Good morning

    Rachel Reeves has just given an excellent answer to Kay Burley on the gender debate

    Upped her game since she was on R4 then:

    Rachel Reeves tries and fails to square the Keir Starmer circle. Biology is a big part of sex but there are also people who strongly identify as the other sex and they have the "right" to self identify but also women are entitled to single sex spaces. WHICH IS IT? @BBCR4Today

    https://twitter.com/anyabike/status/1509425657977135114
    LOL, day 3 of this. You’d have thought they’d have agreed on a coherent answer to the question by now.

    Can’t wait for the day-long conference debate on the subject, selected in favour of debating energy prices or inflation.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 94,987
    Dura_Ace said:

    F1: Las Vegas to host a night race from next year:
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-las-vegas-to-host-formula-1-night-race-from-2023.69O9nKLwKraqAhR5rr8TQg.html

    That's some bullshit. Three races in one country.

    Why is it bullshit? I recall there were three in the US in 1982. Vegas, Long Beach and another that I can't remember. Watkins Glen? It's probably happened on other occasions, too.
    That something has precedent doesnt mean it cannot be bullshit (someone suggesting lying to parliament has not always meant resigning springs to mind).

    Can't say it bothers me but if people would prefer a wider spread of races it makes sense.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,018

    Are we ignoring an uncomfortable truth? I've said for a long time that it should seriously worry us that the largest country in the world is a kind of mafia state. But I'm not sure Russia can any longer be described as a mafia state. It now appears to be a terrorist state.

    1) Deliberately targeting and killing civilians in order to achieve aims it cannot on the battlefield
    2) Kidnapping and holding thousands of people hostage to potentially be used as bait
    3) Threatening violence against those who seek to undermine their political aims

    Some want the Ukrainians to do a deal with Russia to end the war. But at that moment any deal would involve the surrendering of some of their territory. We never gave away any territory in Northern Ireland as part of the peace process. So who are we to tell the Ukrainians that they 'ought' to do so?

    Obviously the comparison between the IRA and the Russian state is absurd. The Russian state is far worse. Republicans in Northern Ireland had some justified grievances in the 1970s. No British city was destroyed in the way that Mariupol has been. Perhaps the size of the threat Ukraine faces means they will feel no need but to compromise. I just hope no-one in the west thinks that it is 'reasonable'. The message to the world would be that our values are paper thin.

    Isn't the bigger risk the other way around? That Ukraine will do a deal with Russia because they want peace?

    To be honest, I don't think we should get hung up about the "what does this say about us?" question. What we need to focus on is the medium to long-term.

    Irrespective of any deals between Ukraine and Russia, the world has changed forever. Russia is a pariah state. That isn't changing without regime change.
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