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The seat with a CON GE2019 72% share where Johnson can’t risk a by-election – politicalbetting.com

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edited March 2022 in General
imageThe seat with a CON GE2019 72% share where Johnson can’t risk a by-election – politicalbetting.com

It is being reported in the Telegraph that the Prime Minister has blocked the Maldon MP from being appointed head of OffCom because of the risk of losing the seat in a by-election. The figures from the last general election are in the Wikipedia table above.

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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    First like Labour and the Tories???
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Minor point it's Ofcom not Offcom
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    Even if there was a by election should be an easy Tory hold. Whittingdale is less controversial than Patterson and polls are much tighter now than last autumn when N Shropshire was
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    I seriously doubt the veracity of reporting on this.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    I was always hoping he would be made Chief Whip.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited March 2022

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Well, look who is Minister for Culture and Wokeness.

    Edit: not a personal comment so much as the way the wind is blowing.
  • https://twitter.com/joelwilliams74/status/1507011777644560394

    Labour's poll leads continue (from head of Kantar)
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    MaxPB said:

    I seriously doubt the veracity of reporting on this.

    He actually would be well qualified given his background. He is well known within the UK media industry and, regardless of politics, most people rate what he thinks even they disagree with it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
  • .
    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    LOL true, they're certainly in danger of doing that.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,904

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Looks like a lucky escape for our national broadcaster then. The general public owe a great deal to the Lib Dems for frightening Boris Johnson out of appointing Whittingdale.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    How bloody long have they been looking for a head of Ofcom?
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    edited March 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Even if there was a by election should be an easy Tory hold. Whittingdale is less controversial than Patterson and polls are much tighter now than last autumn when N Shropshire was

    Wouldn't matter anyhow. It's a Conservative tradition to let the Lib Dems play with some seats for a bit after by-Elections. It's only fair - gets the Lib Dems on telly. For a bit. So people don't forget who they are. It's the decent thing to do with the added advantage that apart from plastering roads with speed-humps, or coming up with incomprehensible recycling schedules the Lib Dems can't really do a lot of damage to the borrowed toy.
    The Conservatives always get them back. No harm done.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 21,971
    edited March 2022
    ClippP said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Looks like a lucky escape for our national broadcaster then. The general public owe a great deal to the Lib Dems for frightening Boris Johnson out of appointing Whittingdale.
    "national broadcaster" what a joke.

    We have a plethora of broadcasters, no unique national one; it just so happens that one of the plethora is funded by a poll tax legacy.

    That goodness we're not like Russia with RT being a national broadcaster. The sooner the BBC is freed from the state completely the better.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,904
    ClippP said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Looks like a lucky escape for our national broadcaster then. The general public owe a great deal to the Lib Dems for frightening Boris Johnson out of appointing Whittingdale.
    Frying pan and fire, it seems.... I was speaking too soon. Michael Grade????????? The corruption and cronyism of this government knows no limits.
  • Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
    Not sure how else it should be referred to.

    As to the point about the ramping up of lethal aid being a vote winner or not, or that most people are exhausted by the conflict, I feel like it rather misses the point. People experience news fatigue on such stories, to be sure, but it hardly follows that people willl reactive negatively to the PM promising more lethal aid to Ukraine. At worst it would have neutral impact, so even if it gains no votes it won't cost any either.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    edited March 2022

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    FPT.
    If Oxford Council want to keep the shark maybe they should declare it to be a statue of a shark?
  • ClippP said:

    ClippP said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Looks like a lucky escape for our national broadcaster then. The general public owe a great deal to the Lib Dems for frightening Boris Johnson out of appointing Whittingdale.
    Frying pan and fire, it seems.... I was speaking too soon. Michael Grade????????? The corruption and cronyism of this government knows no limits.
    That will be Michael Grade who was appointed the chairman of the BBC under Tony Blair? And a senior executive of the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 since the 1980s?

    That's corrupt to you?

    Grade doesn't seem like someone who will rock the boat enough.
  • Really disappointing Test Cricket.

    Will any English batsman get a higher score, than the Lib Dems will get seats at the next election?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
  • Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    Yes, the traditional telephone network will essentially run like VOIP, via FTTP. The concept of a phone line will be gone by 2030 at the latest, with it switched off in many places by 2025.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    No kiss from Mike on this header! Has he fallen out of love with us?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Biden talking live now about running again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    "the next election, I would be very fortunate if I had that man running against me." - Biden on a question about Trump in 2024.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714
    Biden seems perfectly fine and up for it all to me on this live Q&A.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    ClippP said:

    ClippP said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Looks like a lucky escape for our national broadcaster then. The general public owe a great deal to the Lib Dems for frightening Boris Johnson out of appointing Whittingdale.
    Frying pan and fire, it seems.... I was speaking too soon. Michael Grade????????? The corruption and cronyism of this government knows no limits.
    Michael Grade is the insider's insider. He will do precisely zero to reform broadcast TV and will try and implement TV licencing for people who only subscribe to streaming services rather than force the BBC into reforming itself and ending it's total reliance on the TV licence.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    Wow, what a collapse.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Does Michael Grade know much, or care at all about the Internet?
    The idea that Ofcom is about the telly seems very 20th Century.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,714

    ClippP said:

    ClippP said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Looks like a lucky escape for our national broadcaster then. The general public owe a great deal to the Lib Dems for frightening Boris Johnson out of appointing Whittingdale.
    Frying pan and fire, it seems.... I was speaking too soon. Michael Grade????????? The corruption and cronyism of this government knows no limits.
    That will be Michael Grade who was appointed the chairman of the BBC under Tony Blair? And a senior executive of the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 since the 1980s?

    That's corrupt to you?

    Grade doesn't seem like someone who will rock the boat enough.
    At least he understands television and I am guessing actually uses the Internet. Unlike Dacre.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    dixiedean said:

    Does Michael Grade know much, or care at all about the Internet?
    The idea that Ofcom is about the telly seems very 20th Century.

    He strikes me as being part of the "series of tubes" set. Again, I just don't think there's any interest for capable people to take on the role.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited March 2022
    MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    Does Michael Grade know much, or care at all about the Internet?
    The idea that Ofcom is about the telly seems very 20th Century.

    He strikes me as being part of the "series of tubes" set. Again, I just don't think there's any interest for capable people to take on the role.
    No. TV and the Web is that dangerous thing. Something politicians have strong views of the "summat must be done" kind. Without having a clue just how complex and controversial "summat" would inevitably be.
    No wonder anyone capable gives it a wide berth.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
    Lucky is right. It is peacemaking aid.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited March 2022
    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    If this is true then Johnson is being totally stupid. But I suspect it's just a stupid rumour which went around and two MPs confirmed it to The Telegraph.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,779

    Can I just say that in these times of turmoil and uncertainty, when we are faced with fresh challenges on a daily basis and so many of us fear the world is changing to far and too fast, it is good that there are somethings that are reassuringly familiar and let us know that all is right with the world.

    England choose to bat and are 90 for 8 after 43 overs.

    Being pedantic, the Windies won the toss and chose to bowl. But otherwise it is a reassuringly familiar collapse. I expect to see us all out for 130 and them at 80 without loss at the close or similar.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    TimT said:

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
    Lucky is right. It is peacemaking aid.
    I want to rename the Ministry of Defence - "The Ministry For Killing Foreigners & Smashing Their Shit Up"

    Perhaps Lethal Aid -> "Russian Killing & Maiming Stuff"
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    edited March 2022
    Been comparing the Ukrainian MOD figures for Russian casualties (first number) with the confirmed kills from Oryx (number in parentheses).

    One would certainly expect the numbers of actual casualties to be way higher than the Oryx figure, given each claimed kill there has to have been photographed and identified as a unique vehicle. But what do PBers think: given the lower Oryx figures, are the UkrMOD figures credible?

    UkrMOD/(Oryx)

    KIA: 15,800 (no number)
    Tanks: 530 (280)
    APVs: 1597 (600)
    Artillery: 280 (93)
    MLRS: 82 (33)
    AA Sys: 47 (51)
    Aircraft: 108 (15)
    Helos: 124 (35)
    UAVs: 50 (16)
    Trucks: 1033 (580)
    Gas tankers: 72 (no separate number)

    Because, if the UkrMOD numbers are right, the Russians have already lost 40%+ of their tanks!!!
  • Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    BT have just switched my landline to the router and it is fine
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    TimT said:

    Been comparing the Ukrainian MOD figures for Russian casualties (first number) with the confirmed kills from Oryx (number in parentheses).

    One would certainly expect the numbers of actual casualties to be way higher than the Oryx figure, given each claimed kill there has to have been photographed and identified as a unique vehicle. But what do PBers think: given the lower Oryx figures, are the UkrMOD figures credible?

    UkrMOD/(Oryx)

    KIA: 15,800 (no number)
    Tanks: 530 (280)
    APVs: 1597 (600)
    Artillery: 280 (93)
    MLRS: 82 (33)
    AA Sys: 47 (51)
    Aircraft: 108 (15)
    Helos: 124 (35)
    UAVs: 50 (16)
    Trucks: 1033 (580)
    Gas tankers: 72 (no separate number)

    Over claiming in war is pretty standard, across history, countries and military types (army, navy, airforce)

    The Ukrainian numbers *could* be closer to the truth - but I doubt that even the Ukrainians know.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TimT said:

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
    Lucky is right. It is peacemaking aid.
    You sure know your weapons, buddy. These are all good for home defence.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    Telegrams, lets not forget them. I exchange regular smoke signals with a chap over a mile away that agrees too.
  • Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Omnium said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    Telegrams, lets not forget them. I exchange regular smoke signals with a chap over a mile away that agrees too.
    Alas, with the environmental noise pollution, I find it harder to hear my brother's bongos these days.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Like the BBC should be as lucky as becoming like Netflix.

    In 20 years, the BBC will be a broadcasting footnote, entirely down to the risk-averse shit management they had in place when they had a world-leading brand they could have exploited.

    It might only be 10.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    edited March 2022
    There's a lot of misunderstanding about Ofcom for at least a couple of reasons.

    Firstly, the most newsworthy aspects of its work are not the most important. So it hits the headlines if there's a complaint about Peppa Pig, or Piers Morgan, or whoever. But that's ultimately all fluff. Balancing promotion of investment in telecoms infrastructure with prices for customers, and managing spectrum to enable new wireless services is genuinely important economically, but is quite boring so is never on the front pages. But that's where the big decisions are made and where most of the work happens.

    Secondly, there's an assumption it has more of a role than it does as regulator in particular areas. For example, the framework for BBC regulation is in the Royal Charter and Agreement with the DCMS (not Ofcom), settled every decade or so, and then the BBC's strategy is decided by the BBC itself within those constraints. Ofcom isn't irrelevant, and does fill out the policy framework, but it isn't really where the action is in terms of making the weather.

    On topic, I can see the PM's point. They'd probably hold Maldon given the demographics. But losing it would be fatal for the PM. In many ways, Whittingdale would be in a better position if he had a majority of 3,000 rather than 30,000. You can explain away a mid-term by-election loss in a marginal (even quite a heavy one) and the Tories have a sizeable majority so it has negligible impact on ability to pass legislation. But losing an ultra-safe seat would be horrific in terms of MP reaction when Johnson is far from out of the woods over Partygate.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    TimT said:

    Been comparing the Ukrainian MOD figures for Russian casualties (first number) with the confirmed kills from Oryx (number in parentheses).

    One would certainly expect the numbers of actual casualties to be way higher than the Oryx figure, given each claimed kill there has to have been photographed and identified as a unique vehicle. But what do PBers think: given the lower Oryx figures, are the UkrMOD figures credible?

    UkrMOD/(Oryx)

    KIA: 15,800 (no number)
    Tanks: 530 (280)
    APVs: 1597 (600)
    Artillery: 280 (93)
    MLRS: 82 (33)
    AA Sys: 47 (51)
    Aircraft: 108 (15)
    Helos: 124 (35)
    UAVs: 50 (16)
    Trucks: 1033 (580)
    Gas tankers: 72 (no separate number)

    Over claiming in war is pretty standard, across history, countries and military types (army, navy, airforce)

    The Ukrainian numbers *could* be closer to the truth - but I doubt that even the Ukrainians know.
    EDIT - Traditionally, armoured offensives stopped when the attacker ran out of armoured vehicles that ran*. See WWI and WWII. The wars in Iraq and the Israeli stuff were unusual in that this didn't happen.

    *Breakdowns were often the majority of the "casualties".
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,581
    edited March 2022

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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    I do find it incredible that ex-PMs are rewarded so well for such things. There are very few politicians that I'd care to spend time listening to.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
    Yes, it is.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Boris Johnson is sloppy in everything he does, but perhaps sloppiest in his abuse of the English language.

    Partly because he knows as much about nuance as he does about truth, and cares even less.

    Mostly, however, because he's one of those talkers and writers (assuming he actually can & does write his own copy) who simply can NOT resist using a colorful word ("piccanniny") or phrase IF it strikes his fancy.

    When perhaps 99.46% of the art & science of superior writing - and statesmenship? - is crossing OUT words & phrases with which you're especially enamored.

    BTW, does anyone know for sure how much of Johnson's writings are really his own? As opposed to ghosted?

    Of course his ostensible role model WSC employed a stable of researchers and fellow writers; and Samuel Elliot Morrison contemplated suing him for libel (but settled for a citation in next edition).

    Personally, have always imagined that the process of extracting copy from Boris, is rather similar (and at least as surreal) as the methods used back in the day by Rolling Stone to capture the stream-of-consciousness of Dr Hunter S Thompson and massage same into printable condition.

    In HST's case, result was often (though not always) impure gold.

    In BJ's case, fool's gold if not toxic waste ("picanninny").
  • Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    I do find it incredible that ex-PMs are rewarded so well for such things. There are very few politicians that I'd care to spend time listening to.

    Theresa May commands enormous sums would you believe
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Omnium said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    Telegrams, lets not forget them. I exchange regular smoke signals with a chap over a mile away that agrees too.
    Telegrams... Pshaw! The head butler found on his travels a very useful group of gentlemen who carry messages in cleft sticks.

    Once he worked out that they needed a couple of sheep a week in payment, they even stopped eating the tenants from the local village.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited March 2022
    Barnesian said:


    ..

    Before yesterday and maybe conservative high point for quite a while
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    TimT said:

    Been comparing the Ukrainian MOD figures for Russian casualties (first number) with the confirmed kills from Oryx (number in parentheses).

    One would certainly expect the numbers of actual casualties to be way higher than the Oryx figure, given each claimed kill there has to have been photographed and identified as a unique vehicle. But what do PBers think: given the lower Oryx figures, are the UkrMOD figures credible?

    UkrMOD/(Oryx)

    KIA: 15,800 (no number)
    Tanks: 530 (280)
    APVs: 1597 (600)
    Artillery: 280 (93)
    MLRS: 82 (33)
    AA Sys: 47 (51)
    Aircraft: 108 (15)
    Helos: 124 (35)
    UAVs: 50 (16)
    Trucks: 1033 (580)
    Gas tankers: 72 (no separate number)

    Because, if the UkrMOD numbers are right, the Russians have already lost 40%+ of their tanks!!!

    Nobody really seems to believe the Ukrainian ones are dead on, though I seem to recall the latest NATO estimate was pretty high, but it almost doesn't matter - even the lowest estimates are, for wars involving developed nations recently, very high indeed for one month.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,955

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    He should try out the freedom of Ukraine in Mariupol right now, just to test the water like.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    Rishi seems to be getting a battering....Hero to zero in two days.

    His wife.... his car... his shopping habits...his dosh...his fakeness....and everyone's piling in...

    He's the same person he's been for the last two years.

    Is there something a bit sheep like with the British?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    I do find it incredible that ex-PMs are rewarded so well for such things. There are very few politicians that I'd care to spend time listening to.

    Indeed, but compared to what they could be up to being overpaid for a speech so some investment banker can preen that they got an ex-PM to speak to them is less worrisome than some avenues.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited March 2022
    Farooq said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    Boris could be one of the few people to be lauded in both Kyiv and Moscow
    In todays NATOs press conference he was asked just why Putin singles out the UK for their angst
  • Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    I do find it incredible that ex-PMs are rewarded so well for such things. There are very few politicians that I'd care to spend time listening to.

    People aren't paying for the thrilling oratory. They are paying for the networking, the access, the "as I was saying to Boris only the other day..."

    Not my scene, I agree. But there's a market for all this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Roger said:

    Rishi seems to be getting a battering....Hero to zero in two days.

    His wife.... his car... his shopping habits...his dosh...his fakeness....and everyone's piling in...

    He's the same person he's been for the last two years.

    Is there something a bit sheep like with the British?

    Yes, but its more that the shine had been coming off him for awhile - he didn't have good news to shower on the public.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    kle4 said:

    TimT said:

    Been comparing the Ukrainian MOD figures for Russian casualties (first number) with the confirmed kills from Oryx (number in parentheses).

    One would certainly expect the numbers of actual casualties to be way higher than the Oryx figure, given each claimed kill there has to have been photographed and identified as a unique vehicle. But what do PBers think: given the lower Oryx figures, are the UkrMOD figures credible?

    UkrMOD/(Oryx)

    KIA: 15,800 (no number)
    Tanks: 530 (280)
    APVs: 1597 (600)
    Artillery: 280 (93)
    MLRS: 82 (33)
    AA Sys: 47 (51)
    Aircraft: 108 (15)
    Helos: 124 (35)
    UAVs: 50 (16)
    Trucks: 1033 (580)
    Gas tankers: 72 (no separate number)

    Because, if the UkrMOD numbers are right, the Russians have already lost 40%+ of their tanks!!!

    Nobody really seems to believe the Ukrainian ones are dead on, though I seem to recall the latest NATO estimate was pretty high, but it almost doesn't matter - even the lowest estimates are, for wars involving developed nations recently, very high indeed for one month.
    Indeed - given that an old rule of thumb was that a unit that has lost 30% is ineffective, a large number of Russian tank units must be in a very bad way, using the lower figure.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    Do you think he could be persuaded to settle there?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Quincel said:

    If this is true then Johnson is being totally stupid. But I suspect it's just a stupid rumour which went around and two MPs confirmed it to The Telegraph.

    "You said you'd heard it was true!"
    "No, I said it was true that I'd heard it!"
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    Omnium said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    Telegrams, lets not forget them. I exchange regular smoke signals with a chap over a mile away that agrees too.
    Telegrams... Pshaw! The head butler found on his travels a very useful group of gentlemen who carry messages in cleft sticks.

    Once he worked out that they needed a couple of sheep a week in payment, they even stopped eating the tenants from the local village.
    "Pshaw" !? Consult your butler immediately! (Do you mean Pshaw, or are you refrerring to little regarded literary leaflet, and it's attempt to annoy) "Cleft sticks " is just so great though.
  • Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    Do you think he could be persuaded to settle there?
    Why are you bothered if he is out of office
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    I do find it incredible that ex-PMs are rewarded so well for such things. There are very few politicians that I'd care to spend time listening to.

    It's for services rendered whilst in post isn't it? Would be fairly easy to see whether the companies booking former politicos for these gigs had been the recipient of Government largesse during their tenure. Nice British way of doing things. It's the people who have to be in the audience that I feel sorry for. Though at least Boris would probably give value for money.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    I do find it incredible that ex-PMs are rewarded so well for such things. There are very few politicians that I'd care to spend time listening to.

    Theresa May commands enormous sums would you believe
    It’s not just ex-PMs. An industry group I know hired Naga Munchety to be their guest speaker at an event recently.

    Firstly she’s dull as shit.
    Secondly she has absolutely nothing remotely that you could say she could impart to the guests of interest.
    Third she cost an absolute fortune.

    It’s absolutely amazing how people will spend serious money to have a “name” speak at an event when there is absolutely no benefit apart from the hope that some sad individuals are excited by seeing someone off the television in their presence.

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    I do find it incredible that ex-PMs are rewarded so well for such things. There are very few politicians that I'd care to spend time listening to.

    People aren't paying for the thrilling oratory. They are paying for the networking, the access, the "as I was saying to Boris only the other day..."

    Not my scene, I agree. But there's a market for all this.
    You didn't get where you are today...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    May I put in a plug for (not in) old-school pay phones?

    Which nobody ever thinks about these days . . . except when your car breaks down AND you discover you cell has drained its charge . . .

    When I was a kid, you could make unlimited long-distance call for a dime. Or less: when I moved to Louisiana, I was delighted to discover that in the Pelican State, pay-phone calls were only a nickel!

    By that time (or shortly after), the drop at phone booths in other 49 states had gone up to a quarter, where it pretty much stayed until . . . the demise of the phone booth in the US. RIP
  • MaxPB said:

    dixiedean said:

    Does Michael Grade know much, or care at all about the Internet?
    The idea that Ofcom is about the telly seems very 20th Century.

    He strikes me as being part of the "series of tubes" set. Again, I just don't think there's any interest for capable people to take on the role.
    I see Ofcom as being in a similar predicament to BT.

    They were sweating copper and ignoring FTTP for so long. When Openreach was hived off and lead by somebody with a small bit of intelligence they started installing thousands of miles a year and will be mostly done within a decade
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
    Yes, it is.
    Why are you getting so precious about it? It's aid in the sense that it's being given, and it's lethal in the sense that it kills people. It seems a little odd that you need the smelling salts over an honest descriptor.
    Are you just feeling queasy about the fact that it's going to be used against the people your boy Putin has sent in?
    yes, but it's a context where twattish little plays on words are out of place. See also "level killing field."
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    TimT said:

    Been comparing the Ukrainian MOD figures for Russian casualties (first number) with the confirmed kills from Oryx (number in parentheses).

    One would certainly expect the numbers of actual casualties to be way higher than the Oryx figure, given each claimed kill there has to have been photographed and identified as a unique vehicle. But what do PBers think: given the lower Oryx figures, are the UkrMOD figures credible?

    UkrMOD/(Oryx)

    KIA: 15,800 (no number)
    Tanks: 530 (280)
    APVs: 1597 (600)
    Artillery: 280 (93)
    MLRS: 82 (33)
    AA Sys: 47 (51)
    Aircraft: 108 (15)
    Helos: 124 (35)
    UAVs: 50 (16)
    Trucks: 1033 (580)
    Gas tankers: 72 (no separate number)

    Because, if the UkrMOD numbers are right, the Russians have already lost 40%+ of their tanks!!!

    I mentioned this a week ago. The feeling when this started was that 'claims' would be triple or quadruple the 'claimed figure. Instead, we're at double for some. And since Oryx counts only ones they can visually show, they're bound to be an underestimate.

    In the case of aircraft, it can sometimes be hard to say what is a hard 'kill' - see the ?Frogfoot? that landed last week with major damage. Probably claimed as a kill by Ukr. UAVs are so small you might not be able to find the evidence to photograph it - especially if it makes it back over the border.

    Also, tanks are 'sexy', so they are more likely to be photographed than some sort of truck I cannot identify (cue usual 'journalists' tank recognition sheet' (*))

    So IMV, Ukr are over-estimating. But nowhere near as much as I would have expected before this mess began. Oryx appear to have been doing a brilliant job.

    (*) https://twitter.com/pascalheyman/status/1088555831187128321?lang=en
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Drinking English fizz all day in Regent's Park.

    Blissful.

    Hammered.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Like the BBC should be as lucky as becoming like Netflix.

    In 20 years, the BBC will be a broadcasting footnote, entirely down to the risk-averse shit management they had in place when they had a world-leading brand they could have exploited.

    It might only be 10.
    The BBC needs to accept the license fee is not a long term option and needs to wean itself off it.

    It needs to accept its future funding model will change and if Johnson remains as PM until 2024 and implements it then that’s one good thing to come from this useless govt.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    This is excrutiating , even I felt sorry for Boris.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1506946757502156801
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    May I put in a plug for (not in) old-school pay phones?

    Which nobody ever thinks about these days . . . except when your car breaks down AND you discover you cell has drained its charge . . .

    When I was a kid, you could make unlimited long-distance call for a dime. Or less: when I moved to Louisiana, I was delighted to discover that in the Pelican State, pay-phone calls were only a nickel!

    By that time (or shortly after), the drop at phone booths in other 49 states had gone up to a quarter, where it pretty much stayed until . . . the demise of the phone booth in the US. RIP
    Why would you not have been charging your cell phone in the car, up to the point of break down?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
    The US, stupidly, puts everything on polls and then loses it in storms. Bury it in the ground! And build houses out of brick rather than wood while you’re at it.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,818

    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    May I put in a plug for (not in) old-school pay phones?

    Which nobody ever thinks about these days . . . except when your car breaks down AND you discover you cell has drained its charge . . .

    When I was a kid, you could make unlimited long-distance call for a dime. Or less: when I moved to Louisiana, I was delighted to discover that in the Pelican State, pay-phone calls were only a nickel!

    By that time (or shortly after), the drop at phone booths in other 49 states had gone up to a quarter, where it pretty much stayed until . . . the demise of the phone booth in the US. RIP
    This afternoon I was walking through town and saw a queue of attractive young ladies outside a red phone box. Slightly confused as to why they did not have mobiles at first, then I realised they were all there waiting for their turn to take selfies by the phone box. Definitely felt quite old after that.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    Farooq said:

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
    Yes, it is.
    Why are you getting so precious about it? It's aid in the sense that it's being given, and it's lethal in the sense that it kills people. It seems a little odd that you need the smelling salts over an honest descriptor.
    Are you just feeling queasy about the fact that it's going to be used against the people your boy Putin has sent in?
    I think anyone who isn't slightly queasy at the thought of 'aid' being used to inflict death on anybody, rather than, say, feed the starving masses, probably isn't bringing their best to the discussion.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
    The US, stupidly, puts everything on polls and then loses it in storms. Bury it in the ground! And build houses out of brick rather than wood while you’re at it.
    follow your advice and we'd never have had the song Wichita Lineman.

    Philistine
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
    The US, stupidly, puts everything on polls and then loses it in storms. Bury it in the ground! And build houses out of brick rather than wood while you’re at it.
    Do you mean poles?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Boris is quite likely to lose his own seat.

    I expect he will have retired to the International lecture circuit and received the freedom of Ukraine before then
    I do find it incredible that ex-PMs are rewarded so well for such things. There are very few politicians that I'd care to spend time listening to.

    It's for services rendered whilst in post isn't it? Would be fairly easy to see whether the companies booking former politicos for these gigs had been the recipient of Government largesse during their tenure. Nice British way of doing things. It's the people who have to be in the audience that I feel sorry for. Though at least Boris would probably give value for money.
    Mostly our PMs have been poor since the end of ww2.

    The best regarded have I guess been Atlee and Thatcher.

    Blair will in my view get a much better press, as will Cameron. Brown, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan - hopeless to a man.

    (I know I'm missing a couple, but I have no view on them)
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486

    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    May I put in a plug for (not in) old-school pay phones?

    Which nobody ever thinks about these days . . . except when your car breaks down AND you discover you cell has drained its charge . . .

    When I was a kid, you could make unlimited long-distance call for a dime. Or less: when I moved to Louisiana, I was delighted to discover that in the Pelican State, pay-phone calls were only a nickel!

    By that time (or shortly after), the drop at phone booths in other 49 states had gone up to a quarter, where it pretty much stayed until . . . the demise of the phone booth in the US. RIP
    This afternoon I was walking through town and saw a queue of attractive young ladies outside a red phone box. Slightly confused as to why they did not have mobiles at first, then I realised they were all there waiting for their turn to take selfies by the phone box. Definitely felt quite old after that.
    There was some true crime documentary about sex trafficking where for some reason the traffickers would get their Brazilian (or similar) girls to stand by a red phone box holding an up to date newspaper as some sort of proof they were real and in the UK. It was really quite grim. Hope it was just tourists!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    Farooq said:

    I'm not sure that Johnson's rhetoric today about "ramping up lethal aid to Ukraine" is the vote-winner he thinks it is. The unpalatable truth is that most people are exhausted by the conflict and want it to go away.

    'Lethal aid' is a rather disgusting phrase. Albeit that arming the Ukrainians is probably better than allowing them to collapse.
    Why is it disgusting? - unlike a lot of terminology used in conflicts, it is pretty upfront and truthful.
    Yes, it is.
    Why are you getting so precious about it? It's aid in the sense that it's being given, and it's lethal in the sense that it kills people. It seems a little odd that you need the smelling salts over an honest descriptor.
    Are you just feeling queasy about the fact that it's going to be used against the people your boy Putin has sent in?
    I think anyone who isn't slightly queasy at the thought of 'aid' being used to inflict death on anybody, rather than, say, feed the starving masses, probably isn't bringing their best to the discussion.
    Lucky , there are odd people about for sure
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    malcolmg said:

    This is excrutiating , even I felt sorry for Boris.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1506946757502156801

    There's a woman to his left and a bloke in a blue suit to his right looking similarly wallflowerish. I don't think you need to feel sorry for him
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    This seems like a strange analysis to me - was anyone actually expecting sanctions imposed in the last couple of weeks to have changed Putin's mind? My assumption was it was seen as a long term measure rather than that it would immediately see a change in Russian war behavior. Is this really 'sobering insight'? Because it seems more like journalists surprised things don't happen at once.

    No indication sanctions are working yet
    Nick Beake
    BBC News, Brussels

    Despite the proclamations ringing out here at Nato HQ - support for Ukraine and a determination to punish Russia financially - I’ve just had a sobering insight from one Western official who was in the leaders’ meeting earlier.

    Apparently, not one leader could give any indication that sanctions had begun to change Putin's mind or affect his behaviour in his war on Ukraine.

    The Nato strategy depends on supplying the Ukrainians with weapons while waiting for the unprecedented financial penalties levied on Russia to persuade him to stop attacking his neighbour.

    But for millions of Ukrainians - displaced, under fire and sleeping in bunkers for a month - it is the most terrifying of waits. More civilians will die as the war grinds on.

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,051
    edited March 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    The copper wires are only as far as local infrastructure anyway - it's all data from not very far from your house, now, usually.

    Fibre on poles is a laugh. They *claim* to have come up with a version of fibre that can withstand the swaying in the wind without cracking....
    We have fiber on polls in the US. It seems to work ok.
    The US, stupidly, puts everything on polls and then loses it in storms. Bury it in the ground! And build houses out of brick rather than wood while you’re at it.
    follow your advice and we'd never have had the song Wichita Lineman.

    Philistine
    Heh. A hazard of using that word on this site. And now it’s too late to magically correct the typo.

    Edit - And now I’ve replied to the wrong comment. Picking up on my “polls” for “poles”. Though is paying P&O day rates, one can’t also consider using “Poles”.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Endillion said:

    John 'make BBC like netflix' Whittingdale as head of Ofcom?

    That John?

    Its hard to imagine right now the BBC becoming as good as Netflix, but why cap their ambitions?

    If the BBC think they can rival Netflix in the future, good luck to them, if they can find the subscribers.
    On current trend, give it a few more years, and Netflix will become as good as the BBC.
    In a relatively few years, the BBC will cease non-internet broadcasting. The frequencies will be reused for other purposes.

    The BBC will be a streaming service, delivering all content by that mechanism.

    Yes, just as BT are abandoning phone lines, so we will to abandon traditional TV
    Are they? They just installed fibre via our nearby telephone pole.
    The copper phone lines will be gone within 10 years. Too expensive to maintain and no marginal utility for landline phones once the current generation of oldies die off.
    Landlines are fantastic. I don't know why they get such a bad press. And they work in a power cut, as an added bonus.
    May I put in a plug for (not in) old-school pay phones?

    Which nobody ever thinks about these days . . . except when your car breaks down AND you discover you cell has drained its charge . . .

    When I was a kid, you could make unlimited long-distance call for a dime. Or less: when I moved to Louisiana, I was delighted to discover that in the Pelican State, pay-phone calls were only a nickel!

    By that time (or shortly after), the drop at phone booths in other 49 states had gone up to a quarter, where it pretty much stayed until . . . the demise of the phone booth in the US. RIP
    This afternoon I was walking through town and saw a queue of attractive young ladies outside a red phone box. Slightly confused as to why they did not have mobiles at first, then I realised they were all there waiting for their turn to take selfies by the phone box. Definitely felt quite old after that.
    Well remember press button A and then press Button B, two old pennies for a call
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    Leon said:

    Drinking English fizz all day in Regent's Park.

    Blissful.

    Hammered.

    I’ve heard about down and outs that spend their afternoons drinking on a park bench.
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