I would say don't click on the link if you don't want to see what is obvious from the quote...
Blood on the main square of Kherson. Looks like Russian occupation forces opened fire at a peaceful protest, after dispersing previous ones by shooting in the air and throwing flash-bangs.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
No prizes for guessing which episode of Polish-Russian history Medvedev omits:
This morning, 🇷🇺Dmitry Medvedev decided to post a lengthy letter 🇵🇱"On Poland" - it is a curious mix of Soviet and pan-Slavic mythology with mockery, dire criticism and veiled threats against Poland - here are the key points 🧵
No prizes for guessing which episode of Polish-Russian history Medvedev omits:
This morning, 🇷🇺Dmitry Medvedev decided to post a lengthy letter 🇵🇱"On Poland" - it is a curious mix of Soviet and pan-Slavic mythology with mockery, dire criticism and veiled threats against Poland - here are the key points 🧵
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
Boris Romantschenko survived the concentration camps #Buchenwald, #Peenemünde, #Dora and #BergenBelsen. Now he has been killed by a bullet that hit his house in #Charkiv, #Ukraine. He was 96 years old. We are stunned.
Mike does this same piece seemingly every month or two, and its the same issue every time, the age disparity. Which he doesn't mention again. 50% going to university over the past 10 years versus 15% going among people who are now 60%+.
Until we control for the difference in those attending university against age, all it really does is act as a proxy for age, which is clear from all the other metrics. Oldies are incredibly Tory leaning, younger people Labour.
So every month or two, the same people can look down their noses at the citizens of Hartlepool....
Hartlepool seems to have become a totem for some on the batshit FBPE side to fixate on.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Quite interesting how many British people are incredulous about Russians believing state media, and yet so many gullibly suck up all the bullshit about the somewhat hard to find "benefits of Brexit" that they are told by Boris Johnson, a man that is proven to be a pathological liar.
The moment that the Russian Space program committed suicide, the question was where to get replacement launches for the remaining phase 1 satellite. Phase II was already going on Indian launchers.
SpaceX are the only launch provider with capacity. Or the capability to do anything inside 2 years.
And they have another reason, aside from mere money. Various SpaceX hating companies are trying to sell the pitch (especially in the Congressional arena in the US) that their vertical integration gives them an unfair advantage, rather than actually come up with cheap launch themselves.
If SpaceX launches satellites for a competitor (Starlink), that gives them a cast iron, throw-the-case-out-in-first-10-minutes rebuttal to such attacks.
Cringely had a great overview of the finances of Starlink last year and how it intersects with a large pot of FCC money for rural users. And remember that all the networks will need Starlink to reach the really hard customers in those rural areas...
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
What caused the big crossover on 26 March 2020? Peak Boris Covid Saviour?
That poll was by NC Politics while almost all the others are YouGov, so perhaps it's a house effect or even a misreporting of the numbers, or just a rogue poll. The vaccine rollout impact last year looks real but has faded.
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Quite interesting how many British people are incredulous about Russians believing state media, and yet so many gullibly suck up all the bullshit about the somewhat hard to find "benefits of Brexit" that they are told by Boris Johnson, a man that is proven to be a pathological liar.
The fact you think people voting for Brexit were just gullible fools doing what Boris told them is one of the reasons your side lost.
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
Oh come on, his only calculation was about which side offered him the best chance of realising his egotistical ambition. He no more believes in Brexit than he does in Father Christmas.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
Oh come on, his only calculation was about which side offered him the best chance of realising his egotistical ambition. He no more believes in Brexit than he does in Father Christmas.
Yes, I know that is your pre-ordained narrative so you believe it regardless of evidence.
You are a Ukrainian in 1940 or 1941. You are 30. You saw the horrors of the Holodomor visited upon you and your family just ten years before. Do you go and fight for the people who did that to you, or do you go and fight for the people fighting them?
I don't know (evading fighting for either side would be tempting if possible), and I'm reluctant to pass judgment 80 years later on anyone in that situation, especially as I'm no kind of expert on Ukraine - my knowledge of Bandera comes largely from the Wikipedia article.
My mother's hostility to Ukraine was not so much, as I said, with Bandera's decision to ally with the Nazis, or even with his anti-semitism - even she recognised that we can't really judge countries on the decisions of individuals. What she found unforgivable was that he was commemorated as a hero right up to the time of her death, as I understand remains the case up to the present day.
I don't offer that as an excuse for Putin launching a war, of course, I was replying to a question about how come Russians and Ukrainians are at loggerheads when they seem ethnically quite similar. The past - Holodomor and Nazi collaboration alike - casts far longer shadows than is understood by most people in Britain. I wish it were otherwise.
People had a choice of siding with the evil Communist Russians, who had killed millions of them less than a decade earlier, or with the evil Nazis. They were trapped.
But my point was that the Holodomor came first, and everything that happened afterwards has to be seen in that context. Including today's war.
Worth noting that the Baltic States faced a similar choice, invaded twice by Stalin and once by Hitler.
The moment that the Russian Space program committed suicide, the question was where to get replacement launches for the remaining phase 1 satellite. Phase II was already going on Indian launchers.
SpaceX are the only launch provider with capacity. Or the capability to do anything inside 2 years.
And they have another reason, aside from mere money. Various SpaceX hating companies are trying to sell the pitch (especially in the Congressional arena in the US) that their vertical integration gives them an unfair advantage, rather than actually come up with cheap launch themselves.
If SpaceX launches satellites for a competitor (Starlink), that gives them a cast iron, throw-the-case-out-in-first-10-minutes rebuttal to such attacks.
Cringely had a great overview of the finances of Starlink last year and how it intersects with a large pot of FCC money for rural users. And remember that all the networks will need Starlink to reach the really hard customers in those rural areas...
I'm told by Govt sources that it's "looking unlikely" that Boris Johnson will be invited to European Council meeting in Brussels on Thursday. Some anger there about what the PM did/ didn't mean by his remarks in Blackpool...
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Thing is, Big G, we can't trust you. You supported being in the EU and then changed your mind and supported being outside the EU. Why would we think you won't change your mind again.
At least @HYUFD continues to think that it was a bad idea albeit supports the democratic decision reached which is consistent but strange - ie he wouldn't support a democratically-elected Labour government, I'm guessing, but anyway. .
Mike does this same piece seemingly every month or two, and its the same issue every time, the age disparity. Which he doesn't mention again. 50% going to university over the past 10 years versus 15% going among people who are now 60%+.
Until we control for the difference in those attending university against age, all it really does is act as a proxy for age, which is clear from all the other metrics. Oldies are incredibly Tory leaning, younger people Labour.
So every month or two, the same people can look down their noses at the citizens of Hartlepool....
Hartlepool seems to have become a totem for some on the batshit FBPE side to fixate on.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Quite interesting how many British people are incredulous about Russians believing state media, and yet so many gullibly suck up all the bullshit about the somewhat hard to find "benefits of Brexit" that they are told by Boris Johnson, a man that is proven to be a pathological liar.
The fact you think people voting for Brexit were just gullible fools doing what Boris told them is one of the reasons your side lost.
The amusing thing about your comment is the fact that you think people would vote a particular way because they were offended by my view. I mean how much of an idiot would one have to be to say "I am going to vote Leave because someone else thinks I am gullible" lol. The reality is that a lot of people ARE very gullible. If you don't want to accept that then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
This is worth reading in full …highlights that B Johnson and others lied about the evacuation from Afghanistan and the wider administrative chaos …short and illuminating on many levels: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/107001/pdf
Bloody hell
this is the actual testimony of Josie Stewart. Fab stuff
35. I cannot fathom why either Philip Barton or Nigel Casey would have intentionally lied to the Committee, but I believe that they must have done so both in the letter dated 17 January and in the oral testimony given on 25 January. I have tried to imagine but cannot conceive of any way this could have been an honest mistake. Nigel Casey explicitly testified that he had searched his emails and found nothing of relevance, yet when I searched my emails for “PM” and “Nowzad” I found more than one email referencing “the PM’s decision on Nowzad” and with Nigel Casey in copy. So the only possible explanations are that a) Nigel Casey had deleted his emails (which everyone who had worked on the Afghanistan crisis had been ordered by Diptel not to do); b) he did not know how to use the “CTRL-F” function in Outlook, or searched for something other than “PM” and “Nowzad”; c) he found the emails but somehow concluded they were not relevant, despite mentioning ‘the PM’s decision on Nowzad’; or d) he was lying.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
Investigation of cases by the ICC has already begun.
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
I remember thinking it strange that people thought the Queen was pro-BREXIT, because she (apparently) asked, in conversation, someone to state the benefits of being in the EU.
If only the Remain campaign had put forward cogent answers to that question.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
Yet the other 27 don't seem to want to be independent countries. Quite odd it being just us. Is it because we are a particularly freedom loving people? I guess it must be.
Ukraine should take a leaf anyway. What's the point of fighting off the Russians only to then go and join the EU and sublimate themselves to Brussels?
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
Oh come on, his only calculation was about which side offered him the best chance of realising his egotistical ambition. He no more believes in Brexit than he does in Father Christmas.
Yes, I know that is your pre-ordained narrative so you believe it regardless of evidence.
It is an opinion based on the evidence of the man's very flawed character, and the fact that his own family were surprised by his claimed allegiance to the cause that he finally decided on was in his best interest
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Quite interesting how many British people are incredulous about Russians believing state media, and yet so many gullibly suck up all the bullshit about the somewhat hard to find "benefits of Brexit" that they are told by Boris Johnson, a man that is proven to be a pathological liar.
The fact you think people voting for Brexit were just gullible fools doing what Boris told them is one of the reasons your side lost.
The amusing thing about your comment is the fact that you think people would vote a particular way because they were offended by my view. I mean how much of an idiot would one have to be to say "I am going to vote Leave because someone else thinks I am gullible" lol. The reality is that a lot of people ARE very gullible. If you don't want to accept that then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Once again, in your effort to be amused by and superior to those who disagree with you, you fail to understand their argument. I am not saying people voted the other way because you think they are gullible. I am saying that because you rush to explain their position as malice or stupidity, you fail to appreciate their actual reasoning or form counter arguments to that reasoning.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Thing is, Big G, we can't trust you. You supported being in the EU and then changed your mind and supported being outside the EU. Why would we think you won't change your mind again.
At least @HYUFD continues to think that it was a bad idea albeit supports the democratic decision reached which is consistent but strange - ie he wouldn't support a democratically-elected Labour government, I'm guessing, but anyway. .
You need to be more careful in your use of words. I certainly did not SUPPORT the vote for Brexit but I do ACCEPT the democratic choice made. Exactly the same goes for a Labour government.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
You are not very good at this are you.
But seemingly better than you. Putin is the Russian government. Is he planning to hand himself over? And whether he is a war criminal or not is very much in the gift of the winners (cf Iraq, etc). At present he has not lost, and nor is anyone in a position to be declared a winner so again that falls down.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
Miss Vance, I think it was Churchill who said the fascists of the future would be anti-fascists.
Yes, and he also campaigned in the 1945 election comparing Labour to the "some form of Gestapo, no doubt very humanely directed in the first instance".
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
It is very unlikely that there would be a conviction in absentia of Putin by the time the war in Ukraine is complete, as it would take years. Evidence will take many years to gather, so whether "Aslan" is very good on other matters is open to question, but there is nothing wrong with what he said in that post.
I'm told by Govt sources that it's "looking unlikely" that Boris Johnson will be invited to European Council meeting in Brussels on Thursday. Some anger there about what the PM did/ didn't mean by his remarks in Blackpool...
Odd - I'm sure everyone will be rushing in to say how petty the EU are being. As the leader of a key NATO ally he probably should be there. If being a bit miffed about his silly remarks results in withdrawal of a invite that's just pathetic. Presumably Putin will be pleased.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Thing is, Big G, we can't trust you. You supported being in the EU and then changed your mind and supported being outside the EU. Why would we think you won't change your mind again.
At least @HYUFD continues to think that it was a bad idea albeit supports the democratic decision reached which is consistent but strange - ie he wouldn't support a democratically-elected Labour government, I'm guessing, but anyway. .
You need to be more careful in your use of words. I certainly did not SUPPORT the vote for Brexit but I do ACCEPT the democratic choice made. Exactly the same goes for a Labour government.
Absolutely I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. My small point was that @HYUFD wouldn't be going out noisily cheerleading a Labour government because it won.
Big G, meanwhile, has changed his mind and is noisily cheerleading Brexit, having been opposed to it hitherto.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
You are not very good at this are you.
But seemingly better than you. Putin is the Russian government. Is he planning to hand himself over? And whether he is a war criminal or not is very much in the gift of the winners (cf Iraq, etc). At present he has not lost, and nor is anyone in a position to be declared a winner so again that falls down.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
So not quite analagous.
Putin may not be the Russian government for ever. Best if those around him know what he is - and what they might become if they stick too close to him.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
You are not very good at this are you.
But seemingly better than you. Putin is the Russian government. Is he planning to hand himself over? And whether he is a war criminal or not is very much in the gift of the winners (cf Iraq, etc). At present he has not lost, and nor is anyone in a position to be declared a winner so again that falls down.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
So not quite analagous.
And the Serb war criminals weren't handed over by Milosevic either. Neither was Omar Al Bashir handed over by himself. And Al Bashir also "won" the war in Darfur yet still ended up in the ICC. You see, and bear with me here because this might be complex for you, governments can change over time.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
You are not very good at this are you.
But seemingly better than you. Putin is the Russian government. Is he planning to hand himself over? And whether he is a war criminal or not is very much in the gift of the winners (cf Iraq, etc). At present he has not lost, and nor is anyone in a position to be declared a winner so again that falls down.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
So not quite analagous.
Putin may not be the Russian government for ever. Best if those around him know what he is - and what they might become if they stick too close to him.
Yes it will both be a powerful nudge to others but also might likely ensure that Putin attempts to solidify his position still further to ensure the possibility of a palace coup is ever smaller.
If he is indicted as a war criminal then he will also be aware of the implications of the decision.
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
Oh come on, his only calculation was about which side offered him the best chance of realising his egotistical ambition. He no more believes in Brexit than he does in Father Christmas.
Yes, I know that is your pre-ordained narrative so you believe it regardless of evidence.
It is an opinion based on the evidence of the man's very flawed character, and the fact that his own family were surprised by his claimed allegiance to the cause that he finally decided on was in his best interest
Eh? Why does that have to do with it? My family wouldn’t have been able to guess I’d vote leave.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
It is very unlikely that there would be a conviction in absentia of Putin by the time the war in Ukraine is complete, as it would take years. Evidence will take many years to gather, so whether "Aslan" is very good on other matters is open to question, but there is nothing wrong with what he said in that post.
Actually looking back at the thread it appears that it was you who said that Putin should be convicted of war crimes. In which case my point applies to you also.
We are sitting here on the internet making all kinds of pronouncements which of course is what the internet is for, but we can sometimes let our passions cloud our judgement.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Quite interesting how many British people are incredulous about Russians believing state media, and yet so many gullibly suck up all the bullshit about the somewhat hard to find "benefits of Brexit" that they are told by Boris Johnson, a man that is proven to be a pathological liar.
The fact you think people voting for Brexit were just gullible fools doing what Boris told them is one of the reasons your side lost.
The amusing thing about your comment is the fact that you think people would vote a particular way because they were offended by my view. I mean how much of an idiot would one have to be to say "I am going to vote Leave because someone else thinks I am gullible" lol. The reality is that a lot of people ARE very gullible. If you don't want to accept that then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Surely the serious point is that many millions seem to have rebelled against an establishment view that some of their beliefs were contemptible and that they should tug their forelocks and accept the EU bounties regardless. They voted no because they'd had enough of being patronised by thier 'betters'. I think the vote was misguided but I could understand the rationale. The 'remain' campaign really need to do a lot of soul-searching before rushing in to denounce the 'deplorables'. It's too easy to do that.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Quite interesting how many British people are incredulous about Russians believing state media, and yet so many gullibly suck up all the bullshit about the somewhat hard to find "benefits of Brexit" that they are told by Boris Johnson, a man that is proven to be a pathological liar.
The fact you think people voting for Brexit were just gullible fools doing what Boris told them is one of the reasons your side lost.
The amusing thing about your comment is the fact that you think people would vote a particular way because they were offended by my view. I mean how much of an idiot would one have to be to say "I am going to vote Leave because someone else thinks I am gullible" lol. The reality is that a lot of people ARE very gullible. If you don't want to accept that then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Once again, in your effort to be amused by and superior to those who disagree with you, you fail to understand their argument. I am not saying people voted the other way because you think they are gullible. I am saying that because you rush to explain their position as malice or stupidity, you fail to appreciate their actual reasoning or form counter arguments to that reasoning.
I understand the arguments very well thanks and so did those that manipulated the narrative enough to move the dial. Thinking someone's viewpoint is ill informed or plain wrong does not necessarily mean that the person holding them is dumb, or that an individual doesn't hold those views for what they consider sound and rational reasons, it just means that they hold that view. What is definitely dumb is to believe people cannot be manipulated by a well targeted campaign. What is also dumb is to believe the Russia Report that claimed, after very limited remit, that there was "no evidence" of Russian attempts to influence British politics, which is very laughable.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
You are not very good at this are you.
But seemingly better than you. Putin is the Russian government. Is he planning to hand himself over? And whether he is a war criminal or not is very much in the gift of the winners (cf Iraq, etc). At present he has not lost, and nor is anyone in a position to be declared a winner so again that falls down.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
So not quite analagous.
Putin may not be the Russian government for ever. Best if those around him know what he is - and what they might become if they stick too close to him.
Yes it will both be a powerful nudge to others but also might likely ensure that Putin attempts to solidify his position still further to ensure the possibility of a palace coup is ever smaller.
If he is indicted as a war criminal then he will also be aware of the implications of the decision.
So tell us, what actions will Putin be taking to solidify his position against a palace coup that he wouldn't be doing anyway.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Thing is, Big G, we can't trust you. You supported being in the EU and then changed your mind and supported being outside the EU. Why would we think you won't change your mind again.
At least @HYUFD continues to think that it was a bad idea albeit supports the democratic decision reached which is consistent but strange - ie he wouldn't support a democratically-elected Labour government, I'm guessing, but anyway. .
You need to be more careful in your use of words. I certainly did not SUPPORT the vote for Brexit but I do ACCEPT the democratic choice made. Exactly the same goes for a Labour government.
Absolutely I'm sorry if I didn't make that clear. My small point was that @HYUFD wouldn't be going out noisily cheerleading a Labour government because it won.
Big G, meanwhile, has changed his mind and is noisily cheerleading Brexit, having been opposed to it hitherto.
I suspect he'd just like people to try and make the best of a bad job. We are where we are.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
Yet the other 27 don't seem to want to be independent countries. Quite odd it being just us. Is it because we are a particularly freedom loving people? I guess it must be.
Ukraine should take a leaf anyway. What's the point of fighting off the Russians only to then go and join the EU and sublimate themselves to Brussels?
If we had the Brexit vote again, I would vote much more emphatically to LEAVE, and with none of the havering and 50/50 quavering of last time. I might even do it with "delight"
I'm afraid we exist. The Leavers who feel vindicated.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
You are not very good at this are you.
But seemingly better than you. Putin is the Russian government. Is he planning to hand himself over? And whether he is a war criminal or not is very much in the gift of the winners (cf Iraq, etc). At present he has not lost, and nor is anyone in a position to be declared a winner so again that falls down.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
So not quite analagous.
And the Serb war criminals weren't handed over by Milosevic either. Neither was Omar Al Bashir handed over by himself. And Al Bashir also "won" the war in Darfur yet still ended up in the ICC. You see, and bear with me here because this might be complex for you, governments can change over time.
They certainly can and do you expect a government which has been indicted for war crimes will a) give it all up and buy a one-way ticket to the Hague; or b) fight more ruthlessly and for longer on the "might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb" principle.
As I said we all wish we could wave a magic want (the ICC in this case) and stop nasty Mr Putin from being nasty but that ignores the consequences of what we wish for which people (looking at you, my leonine friend) don't seem to have thought through.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
You are not very good at this are you.
But seemingly better than you. Putin is the Russian government. Is he planning to hand himself over? And whether he is a war criminal or not is very much in the gift of the winners (cf Iraq, etc). At present he has not lost, and nor is anyone in a position to be declared a winner so again that falls down.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
So not quite analagous.
Putin may not be the Russian government for ever. Best if those around him know what he is - and what they might become if they stick too close to him.
Yes it will both be a powerful nudge to others but also might likely ensure that Putin attempts to solidify his position still further to ensure the possibility of a palace coup is ever smaller.
If he is indicted as a war criminal then he will also be aware of the implications of the decision.
He'll be trying to solidify his position even further due to the war not going as he expected. Look at the people who've been placed under house arrest or blamed for failures already.
I don't see it as a reason not to try him in absentia. If he has ordered war crimes committed, he should be tried for them. It might also send strong messages to other world leaders - and not just in the east or third world.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
That does not change my view though I do want a closer relationship but not to rejoin
Quite interesting how many British people are incredulous about Russians believing state media, and yet so many gullibly suck up all the bullshit about the somewhat hard to find "benefits of Brexit" that they are told by Boris Johnson, a man that is proven to be a pathological liar.
The fact you think people voting for Brexit were just gullible fools doing what Boris told them is one of the reasons your side lost.
The amusing thing about your comment is the fact that you think people would vote a particular way because they were offended by my view. I mean how much of an idiot would one have to be to say "I am going to vote Leave because someone else thinks I am gullible" lol. The reality is that a lot of people ARE very gullible. If you don't want to accept that then I have a bridge I would like to sell you.
Surely the serious point is that many millions seem to have rebelled against an establishment view that some of their beliefs were contemptible and that they should tug their forelocks and accept the EU bounties regardless. They voted no because they'd had enough of being patronised by thier 'betters'. I think the vote was misguided but I could understand the rationale. The 'remain' campaign really need to do a lot of soul-searching before rushing in to denounce the 'deplorables'. It's too easy to do that.
Yea, sure, but I am not a politician, so I don't feel the need to pull punches, and pretend that a large part of the population are not easily influenced to vote for something against their own interest. The idea that it was a vote "against the establishment" stands up to only ludicrous scrutiny when you consider the main protagonists that were in favour of Brexit. Brexit was a vote for a continuation of the power of the traditional establishment, not a repudiation of it. It was an attempt by the older part of the electorate to turn clocks back, not forward.
Nazanin doesn't seem to blame Iran for her being held hostage.
I do wonder how many people feel, like me, that it was wrong to link the debt to her release and that the previous Foreign Secretaries made the right call? It’s lovely for her and her family that she’s free, but it’s an uncomfortable precedent.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
Biden and other Western leaders need to come out and say loudly they are collecting evidence on war crimes and plan to prosecute individual soldiers. Following orders will not be an excuse. Also mention how Serbians and Croatians were handed over by their own governments down the line.
You're not very good at all this are you. I admire your passion but you fail on the practicalities.
OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
As already mentioned, Serbian and Croatian war criminals were handed over by their own governments in cuffs. No need for them to turn up to Geneva. And as is obvious to anyone that isn't a Russian apologist conspiracy theorist, Putin has already chosen to go down the war criminal route.
You are not very good at this are you.
But seemingly better than you. Putin is the Russian government. Is he planning to hand himself over? And whether he is a war criminal or not is very much in the gift of the winners (cf Iraq, etc). At present he has not lost, and nor is anyone in a position to be declared a winner so again that falls down.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
So not quite analagous.
Putin may not be the Russian government for ever. Best if those around him know what he is - and what they might become if they stick too close to him.
Yes it will both be a powerful nudge to others but also might likely ensure that Putin attempts to solidify his position still further to ensure the possibility of a palace coup is ever smaller.
If he is indicted as a war criminal then he will also be aware of the implications of the decision.
So tell us, what actions will Putin be taking to solidify his position against a palace coup that he wouldn't be doing anyway.
And how much more likely do you think a palace coup would be if he were indicted as a war criminal as opposed to now when you are saying he is acting like a war criminal.
...The absence of information in a blockade accomplishes two goals.
Chaos is the first. People don’t know what’s going on, and they panic. At first I couldn’t understand why Mariupol fell apart so quickly. Now I know it was because of the lack of communication.
Impunity is the second goal. With no information coming out of a city, no pictures of demolished buildings and dying children, the Russian forces could do whatever they wanted. If not for us, there would be nothing.
That’s why we took such risks to be able to send the world what we saw, and that’s what made Russia angry enough to hunt us down.
I have never, ever felt that breaking the silence was so important....
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
Yet the other 27 don't seem to want to be independent countries. Quite odd it being just us. Is it because we are a particularly freedom loving people? I guess it must be.
Ukraine should take a leaf anyway. What's the point of fighting off the Russians only to then go and join the EU and sublimate themselves to Brussels?
If we had the Brexit vote again, I would vote much more emphatically to LEAVE, and with none of the havering and 50/50 quavering of last time. I might even do it with "delight"
I'm afraid we exist. The Leavers who feel vindicated.
If we flip the question around, starting from where we are now it’s hard to see why we’d join. A tiny increase in GDP at the expense of control of vast areas of policy, and if we did join now the end to our own currency.
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
Oh come on, his only calculation was about which side offered him the best chance of realising his egotistical ambition. He no more believes in Brexit than he does in Father Christmas.
Yes, I know that is your pre-ordained narrative so you believe it regardless of evidence.
I think there evidence of that, Asian. He was pro-EU when campaigning to be Mayor of London.
My theory was that in the event of the Germans invading the UK -
- One third of the population would have taken to the hills to fight to the death - One third of the population wouldn't have noticed, unless the football was interrupted. - One third would have lined up round the block for a black armband and a clipboard.
Diane Abbott asked about the other third?
and Boris Johnson would have written three essays and thought long and hard about which was in his best interest to publish.
Boris deserves criticism for many things, but setting out the best arguments for each side of a big decision to help him decide is not one of them. It showed uncharacteristic thoughtfulness and caution.
Oh come on, his only calculation was about which side offered him the best chance of realising his egotistical ambition. He no more believes in Brexit than he does in Father Christmas.
Yes, I know that is your pre-ordained narrative so you believe it regardless of evidence.
I think there evidence of that, Asian. He was pro-EU when campaigning to be Mayor of London.
“Pro EU” is a stretch. He wasn’t in favour of leaving, but then not many of us were in 2008.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
Yet the other 27 don't seem to want to be independent countries. Quite odd it being just us. Is it because we are a particularly freedom loving people? I guess it must be.
Ukraine should take a leaf anyway. What's the point of fighting off the Russians only to then go and join the EU and sublimate themselves to Brussels?
If we had the Brexit vote again, I would vote much more emphatically to LEAVE, and with none of the havering and 50/50 quavering of last time. I might even do it with "delight"
I'm afraid we exist. The Leavers who feel vindicated.
Except you haven't been and that is why you bang on about it ad nauseum. You know it is shit and pointless, and you keep coming on here in the hope you might convince yourself. You are suffering from sub conscious "repetition compulsion" in a desire to gain "illusory truth effect".
Leon, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you still know in your heart of hearts it was fucking pointless.
It's interesting to look at that list of 5 Foreign Secretaries in the context of the next Conservative Party leadership election.
Philip, now Baron, Hammond. In the political wilderness, but aiming for an afterlife in the media as the go-to former senior Tory to say "I told you so" when Boris Johnson balls it up again.
Boris Johnson. Now Prime Minister, despite reportedly holding the distinction of being the only one of the five to make Nazanin's ordeal worse than it already was.
Jeremy Hunt. A possible contender for the leadership if Boris Johnson is forced to resign in such a way to discredit all those who sit with him around the Cabinet table, but otherwise cast as not quite sound on Brexit, and therefore a long-shot.
Dominic Raab. Those who the gods wish to destroy they first send mad... by making Dominic Raab Prime Minister. It can't happen, surely. Please.
Liz Truss. Appears to have the knack of getting things done, or at least of being in the right place at the right time when they happen - see also post-Brexit trade deals. I've previously argued that Foreign Secretary was a dead-end job with all the appearance of status, but no opportunity to make an impact to help when pitching for the top job. But now, foreign affairs have rarely been more consequential.
The other main contenders, who haven't been Foreign Secretary, are Sunak and Javid - both saddled with the difficulties of dealing with the post-Covid damage to the economy, public finances and the health service.
Liz Truss seems to receive a tremendous amount of vitriolic criticism, out of proportion to the mere failing of being a Tory Cabinet Minister, but I think she's currently well-placed, poised you might say, to take over from Boris Johnson. Should probably be favourite.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
Yet the other 27 don't seem to want to be independent countries. Quite odd it being just us. Is it because we are a particularly freedom loving people? I guess it must be.
Ukraine should take a leaf anyway. What's the point of fighting off the Russians only to then go and join the EU and sublimate themselves to Brussels?
If we had the Brexit vote again, I would vote much more emphatically to LEAVE, and with none of the havering and 50/50 quavering of last time. I might even do it with "delight"
I'm afraid we exist. The Leavers who feel vindicated.
Except you haven't been and that is why you bang on about it ad nauseum. You know it is shit and pointless, and you keep coming on here in the hope you might convince yourself. You are suffering from sub conscious "repetition compulsion" in a desire to gain "illusory truth effect".
Leon, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you still know in your heart of hearts it was fucking pointless.
You keep claiming it is Leavers banging on about it, but once again, this is a thread where YOU brought it up again. Leavers are broadly happy with the new status quo, return of powers to Westminster, controlled EU immigration etc.
Putin is a fucking disgrace. Surely there must be an international body that can make these psychos realise that if they become convicted of war crimes in absentia they will be arrested the moment they step outside Russia or if there is ever a regime change
And that’s the issue with the ICC… it means they have every incentive to prevent future regime change
“We’re going to get you home” was the government speaking not the individual FS… ultimately they did. Maybe not as quickly as we would all have liked but they got her home.
Has BoZo managed to uninvite himself from the EU summit? Below is interesting in the context of the Times reporting that Number 10 “sorry” on the Brexit-Ukraine remarks… rather suggests that an invite from Charles Michel to Thursday’s EU summit might have been being pondered (Biden is going too, same day as special NATO summit)…. https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1505278978550022145
.. indeed briefing from UK end to British journalists to this effect last week. Foreign Sec Truss attended the Foreign Affairs Council, so there is a precedent here.
Why does a man who campaigned for us to leave the EU want to go to an EU meeting? Just bizarre.
Because the EU cannot have a successful defence and security strategy without the UK's cooperation and involvement
So you're saying that Brexit has weakened security in Europe? No wonder Putin wanted it to happen.
That is upto Europe, but what has weakened Europe far beyond brexit is the utter failure by Germany and others to devise an energy policy that does not result in paying vast sums of money every day to Putin enabling his arming of his war machine, and the action now required would crash their economy
Merkel's energy policy is a disaster for Europe
Germany is working hard to rectify their mistake. What are we doing to rectify ours?
If you are referring to brexit then that is not a mistake
Germany will take years to wean herself off Putin's gas
Of course Brexit was a mistake
You have your view but I am delighted we left the EU despite voting remain and nothing that has happened since has changed my mind that we are better as an independent country
Yet the other 27 don't seem to want to be independent countries. Quite odd it being just us. Is it because we are a particularly freedom loving people? I guess it must be.
Ukraine should take a leaf anyway. What's the point of fighting off the Russians only to then go and join the EU and sublimate themselves to Brussels?
If we had the Brexit vote again, I would vote much more emphatically to LEAVE, and with none of the havering and 50/50 quavering of last time. I might even do it with "delight"
I'm afraid we exist. The Leavers who feel vindicated.
Except you haven't been and that is why you bang on about it ad nauseum. You know it is shit and pointless, and you keep coming on here in the hope you might convince yourself. You are suffering from sub conscious "repetition compulsion" in a desire to gain "illusory truth effect".
Leon, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you still know in your heart of hearts it was fucking pointless.
You keep claiming it is Leavers banging on about it, but once again, this is a thread where YOU brought it up again. Leavers are broadly happy with the new status quo, return of powers to Westminster, controlled EU immigration etc.
Mike does this same piece seemingly every month or two, and its the same issue every time, the age disparity. Which he doesn't mention again. 50% going to university over the past 10 years versus 15% going among people who are now 60%+.
Until we control for the difference in those attending university against age, all it really does is act as a proxy for age, which is clear from all the other metrics. Oldies are incredibly Tory leaning, younger people Labour.
So every month or two, the same people can look down their noses at the citizens of Hartlepool....
Age and education are very relevant to the vote on Brexit and obviously they're both connected. Younger better educated people don't have the same fear of foreigners that older ones do and as time is going to change the demographic balance whether anyone likes it or not I cant think of many subjects more relevant to the future of politics and the EU than this one.
Incredible. As you know he knows he is lying. Kinda sums up the whole regime really.
I make it a rule never to believe a woman is spying for us until Boris confirms it in public.
It's funny how the Russians always seem to zero in on Britain, like we're the real enemy number 1. I suspect it's a peer rivalry thing: they are not so stupid as to think they can go toe to toe with the USA anymore but the Brits are a more realistic target where they share a long history of mutual Cold War espionage, and still Anglo Saxon like the Americans. No real incentive to try to be nice unlike their relationship with Germany. If you're too weak to challenge the big guy, you beat up the sidekick.
I think Iran has done the same thing before (albeit we have been pretty involved in decades gone by)
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Blood on the main square of Kherson. Looks like Russian occupation forces opened fire at a peaceful protest, after dispersing previous ones by shooting in the air and throwing flash-bangs.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1505879929749217286?s=20&t=HAX61NO1i8T-izMeUKUknQ
Chief Foreign-Affairs Correspondent of The Wall Street Journal.
Almost as compelling as an @Leon diatribe
Almost as compelling as an @Leon diatribe
Didn’t survive “de-Nazification”:
Boris Romantschenko survived the concentration camps #Buchenwald, #Peenemünde, #Dora and #BergenBelsen. Now he has been killed by a bullet that hit his house in #Charkiv, #Ukraine. He was 96 years old. We are stunned.
https://twitter.com/Buchenwald_Dora/status/1505876638076215299
Odd.
https://www.cringely.com/2021/04/20/starlink-is-a-global-isp-built-at-zero-cost-to-spacex-enabling-nasas-artemis-launch/
Dude, where's your backhaul?
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1505872720709443585?s=20&t=ELNfNLEcrUURPdxdZQXf1A
At least @HYUFD continues to think that it was a bad idea albeit supports the democratic decision reached which is consistent but strange - ie he wouldn't support a democratically-elected Labour government, I'm guessing, but anyway.
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OK let's indict Putin as a war criminal. Let's' then examine what he might do next.
He is a war criminal, so do you think he will attend Geneva for the purposes of a negotiated settlement in Ukraine where he will likely be arrested; or do you think he will entrench himself and battle perhaps to the death (of many others, perhaps himself) as there's no point in either negotiating or losing as he will be treated as a war criminal.
But loving the Ukrainian flag on your posts.
If only the Remain campaign had put forward cogent answers to that question.
You are not very good at this are you.
And NATO bombed Kosovo in 1999, because they could. They have decided that they can't bomb Russia or anyone on behalf of Ukraine.
So not quite analagous.
@SkyNews
https://twitter.com/skysarahjane/status/1505911660065792011
Big G, meanwhile, has changed his mind and is noisily cheerleading Brexit, having been opposed to it hitherto.
If he is indicted as a war criminal then he will also be aware of the implications of the decision.
We are sitting here on the internet making all kinds of pronouncements which of course is what the internet is for, but we can sometimes let our passions cloud our judgement.
I'm afraid we exist. The Leavers who feel vindicated.
As I said we all wish we could wave a magic want (the ICC in this case) and stop nasty Mr Putin from being nasty but that ignores the consequences of what we wish for which people (looking at you, my leonine friend) don't seem to have thought through.
I don't see it as a reason not to try him in absentia. If he has ordered war crimes committed, he should be tried for them. It might also send strong messages to other world leaders - and not just in the east or third world.
The last journalists to get out of Mariupol.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-edf7240a9d990e7e3e32f82ca351dede
...The absence of information in a blockade accomplishes two goals.
Chaos is the first. People don’t know what’s going on, and they panic. At first I couldn’t understand why Mariupol fell apart so quickly. Now I know it was because of the lack of communication.
Impunity is the second goal. With no information coming out of a city, no pictures of demolished buildings and dying children, the Russian forces could do whatever they wanted. If not for us, there would be nothing.
That’s why we took such risks to be able to send the world what we saw, and that’s what made Russia angry enough to hunt us down.
I have never, ever felt that breaking the silence was so important....
This thread has advanced to the next battleground - May 5th
Leon, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, you still know in your heart of hearts it was fucking pointless.
Philip, now Baron, Hammond. In the political wilderness, but aiming for an afterlife in the media as the go-to former senior Tory to say "I told you so" when Boris Johnson balls it up again.
Boris Johnson. Now Prime Minister, despite reportedly holding the distinction of being the only one of the five to make Nazanin's ordeal worse than it already was.
Jeremy Hunt. A possible contender for the leadership if Boris Johnson is forced to resign in such a way to discredit all those who sit with him around the Cabinet table, but otherwise cast as not quite sound on Brexit, and therefore a long-shot.
Dominic Raab. Those who the gods wish to destroy they first send mad... by making Dominic Raab Prime Minister. It can't happen, surely. Please.
Liz Truss. Appears to have the knack of getting things done, or at least of being in the right place at the right time when they happen - see also post-Brexit trade deals. I've previously argued that Foreign Secretary was a dead-end job with all the appearance of status, but no opportunity to make an impact to help when pitching for the top job. But now, foreign affairs have rarely been more consequential.
The other main contenders, who haven't been Foreign Secretary, are Sunak and Javid - both saddled with the difficulties of dealing with the post-Covid damage to the economy, public finances and the health service.
Liz Truss seems to receive a tremendous amount of vitriolic criticism, out of proportion to the mere failing of being a Tory Cabinet Minister, but I think she's currently well-placed, poised you might say, to take over from Boris Johnson. Should probably be favourite.
“We’re going to get you home” was the government speaking not the individual FS… ultimately they did. Maybe not as quickly as we would all have liked but they got her home.
Age and education are very relevant to the vote on Brexit and obviously they're both connected. Younger better educated people don't have the same fear of foreigners that older ones do and as time is going to change the demographic balance whether anyone likes it or not I cant think of many subjects more relevant to the future of politics and the EU than this one.