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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    The latest @OpiniumResearch @ObserverUK poll shows a 4 point Labour lead.

    Con 34%
    Lab 38% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11%
    Green 6% https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1497662757964894208/photo/1
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    I had you down as probably an antisemitic Kremlinbot.

    I've dropped the "probably."

    Have a nice evening.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Major EU announcement coming on assistance for Ukraine momentarily …
    https://twitter.com/herszenhorn/status/1497662178492563459
  • The latest
    @OpiniumResearch

    @ObserverUK
    poll shows a 4 point Labour lead.

    Con 34%
    Lab 38% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11%
    Green 6%
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521
    edited February 2022
    IanB2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Sorry to report that @ukhomeoffice is refusing entry to Ukrainians at Paris Gare du Nord seeking to join family in UK because they don’t have a visa. And not being helped to apply for a visa. If there even is one.
    https://twitter.com/WilsonsLondon/status/1497653455246303233

    I hope we change that swiftly. Would help if we stopped issuing any visas to Russians.
    Our government is going to be shamed into another u-turn here.
    To be honest on this question of refugees we already have been*. We should not only be providing Ukrainians the right to come here, we should be providing them with the transport to do so as well. Start with anyone who has a family link here and expand from there.

    *Edit, shamed I mean.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    .@BorisJohnson's leadership ratings remain in heavily negative territory.

    > 58% disapprove of the job he is doing, unchanged from our last poll
    > 25% approve, up only 1% from a fortnight ago https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1497663005047230465/photo/1
  • PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    Scott_xP said:

    Major EU announcement coming on assistance for Ukraine momentarily …
    https://twitter.com/herszenhorn/status/1497662178492563459

    Does that mean the announcement is imminent or will be fleeting?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited February 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    IanB2 said:

    Our government is going to be shamed into another u-turn here.

    You would hope so, but Priti has been Tweeting all day about the visa application service that isn't offering any visas
    I will be the first to condemn HMG if they fail to address the Ukrainian refugee problem but as the poll shows the publics acceptance of numbers varies considerably and at this moment we have to grant visas to all family members of Ukrainians living here in the UK, and then our share across Europe in due course

    Remember, if Putin fails Ukrainians will want to go home
  • pigeon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Incredible scoop by @bbcrussian here, revealing that Chechen dictator Ramzan Kadyrov was one of few Russian officials informed about war well ahead of time. Up to 10,000 of Kadyrov's forces currently deployed in Ukraine. https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1497632971548856322

    Not your wet teenage forced conscripts; rather, a particularly nasty bunch of bastards. Hopefully the Ukrainians slaughter as many of them as possible.
    Here's one gone:

    Russian general from Chechnya Magomed Tushayev won’t be coming home from #Ukraine.
    What have you lost in Ukraine, Magomed, huh?
    #RussiaGoHome #StopRussia
    #UkraineUnderAttack


    https://mobile.twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1497640933625577473
  • ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    If your entire government ideology is that no one will notice the lies while we fecking cream in the roubles, don't be surprised when your closest aides and military strategists and 4* generals all lie to you all the time.


  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028


    Володимир Зеленський
    @ZelenskyyUa
    Поговорив телефоном із @BorisJohnson. Вдячний британському Прем'єр-міністру за його позицію, нові рішення щодо посилення потужності української армії. Узгодили подальші спільні кроки з протидії агресору.
    https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497661147868278795

    I talked on the phone with @BorisJohnson . I am grateful to the British Prime Minister for his position, new decisions to strengthen the capacity of the Ukrainian army. Agreed on further joint steps to counter the aggressor.

    I’m guessing we won’t reveal what we’re sending them. Good.

    Isn’t there a risk of Russians seeing us as arming Ukraine to the extent we’re in a de facto war with Russia (which to be honest, we are..)

    Some really grim pictures on Reddit. I loathe to cheer the burning of Russian troops in tanks, but I am glad our weapons are being used effectively
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Major EU announcement coming on assistance for Ukraine momentarily …
    https://twitter.com/herszenhorn/status/1497662178492563459

    Does that mean the announcement is imminent or will be fleeting?
    Yes
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Scott_xP said:

    From a city under attack, Zelensky is now essentially orchestrating a race-to-the-top in support for his country between Western governments. “Impressive” doesn’t even begin to cover it.
    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1497659816323473412
    https://twitter.com/zelenskyyua/status/1497655298907009027

    Being visible, relatable andable to engage with international partners in a sometimes difficult way - pressing, but thankful - is not an easy gig. Early days, but he does seem to have risen to that challenge.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited February 2022
    Had a phone conversation with @BorisJohnson
    Grateful to the British Prime Minister for his position, new decisions to enhance the combat capabilities of the Ukrainian army. Agreed on further joint steps to counter the aggressor.

    https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497661173231239170

    Posted 9m ago.
  • The latest
    @OpiniumResearch

    @ObserverUK
    poll shows a 4 point Labour lead.

    Con 34%
    Lab 38% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11%
    Green 6%

    Is that with or without the dodgy methodology?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    .@Keir_Starmer retains his lead as best prime minister over @BorisJohnson:

    > 27% currently think Starmer would make the best PM.
    > Only 24% think Johnson currently would be the best PM.
    > However, 37% think that neither would make the best prime minister. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1497663508179083264/photo/1
  • tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    pigeon said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    It depends very much who you are talking about. I wouldn't say I "glorify" death at all, but there are a lot of truly vile people on the Russian side that the world would be better off without.

    There's no point in being wet about this. Putin's death, for example, would be a blessing for humanity.
    How can you say that for certain? You've no idea what he might be keeping the lid on, or what the future holds.

    One could argue every success for Ukraine takes us one step closer to nuclear war. We just don't know.

    But I am wishing Ukraine every success in this war.
    Yes I actually think it would be better if Ukraine surrenders.. their defeat is inevitable for the reason putin can't afford to lose and ultimately has the weapons to force his will on the ukrainian people
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    Being a Russian General is riskier than being Spinal Tap's drummer....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Andy_JS said:
    COVID already feels like a distant memory. Putin’s ICBMs have a much higher fatality rate than…
  • Scott_xP said:

    .@Keir_Starmer retains his lead as best prime minister over @BorisJohnson:

    > 27% currently think Starmer would make the best PM.
    > Only 24% think Johnson currently would be the best PM.
    > However, 37% think that neither would make the best prime minister. https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1497663508179083264/photo/1

    Poor numbers for both
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    The latest
    @OpiniumResearch

    @ObserverUK
    poll shows a 4 point Labour lead.

    Con 34%
    Lab 38% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11%
    Green 6%

    Is that with or without the dodgy methodology?
    I think their new methodology is here to stay.
  • PJohnson said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    pigeon said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    It depends very much who you are talking about. I wouldn't say I "glorify" death at all, but there are a lot of truly vile people on the Russian side that the world would be better off without.

    There's no point in being wet about this. Putin's death, for example, would be a blessing for humanity.
    How can you say that for certain? You've no idea what he might be keeping the lid on, or what the future holds.

    One could argue every success for Ukraine takes us one step closer to nuclear war. We just don't know.

    But I am wishing Ukraine every success in this war.
    Yes I actually think it would be better if Ukraine surrenders.. their defeat is inevitable for the reason putin can't afford to lose and ultimately has the weapons to force his will on the ukrainian people
    Putin has to lose.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    A social climber writes.

    Tell us more about your labrador-and-barbour lifestyle.

    Take into account that I own that shit because I shoot a lot, on land that I own. You?
  • The latest
    @OpiniumResearch

    @ObserverUK
    poll shows a 4 point Labour lead.

    Con 34%
    Lab 38% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11%
    Green 6%

    Is that with or without the dodgy methodology?
    Same new methodology as two weeks ago.

    Only 27% wanting Starmer as best PM is interesting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    PJohnson said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    pigeon said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    It depends very much who you are talking about. I wouldn't say I "glorify" death at all, but there are a lot of truly vile people on the Russian side that the world would be better off without.

    There's no point in being wet about this. Putin's death, for example, would be a blessing for humanity.
    How can you say that for certain? You've no idea what he might be keeping the lid on, or what the future holds.

    One could argue every success for Ukraine takes us one step closer to nuclear war. We just don't know.

    But I am wishing Ukraine every success in this war.
    Yes I actually think it would be better if Ukraine surrenders.. their defeat is inevitable for the reason putin can't afford to lose and ultimately has the weapons to force his will on the ukrainian people
    Even inevitable victory can still be resisted and turned into a pyrrhic victory. That's a worthy goal, rather than implicitly blaming those attached for the temerity to resist because it means bloodshed.
  • Forced by Putin, Olaf Scholz is putting an end on a specific vision and reality of a German partnership with Putin, conceived and pushed for years by Schröder but also supported by Steinmeier, Gabriel and -- reluctantly but nevertheless most consequential -- Merkel.

    https://twitter.com/ulrichspeck/status/1497662999913537542
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    Being a Russian General is riskier than being Spinal Tap's drummer....
    This lot are going to go out with a bang.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    We really need the generals to engineer a nasty accident for Vladimir instead.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Nigelb said:

    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243

    Increasingly it looks like Putin = Saddam, misinformed about his own military capability by his own generals.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028



    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    If your entire government ideology is that no one will notice the lies while we fecking cream in the roubles, don't be surprised when your closest aides and military strategists and 4* generals all lie to you all the time.


    We can only hope it’s Putin who suffers a nasty accident..
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,348
    IshmaelZ said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    A social climber writes.

    Tell us more about your labrador-and-barbour lifestyle.

    Take into account that I own that shit because I shoot a lot, on land that I own. You?
    Are you alright?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Andy_JS said:
    The strategy of opening up and allowing the virus to spread in the unvaccinated has clearly worked.
    NZ might want to take a look. They started the Covid war excellently, but are in danger of ending it a lot less well for fear of undoing their good work.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Had a phone conversation with @BorisJohnson
    Grateful to the British Prime Minister for his position, new decisions to enhance the combat capabilities of the Ukrainian army. Agreed on further joint steps to counter the aggressor.

    https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497661173231239170

    Posted 9m ago.

    Whoever is coordinating Zelensky's office is also doing a bang up job, what with all the popping out for videos, scheduling chats with international leaders, presumably being instructed by military and government officials and, possibly, even getting to sleep for a few hours.
    Although his best one was the one where he had to break his schedule and withered Draghi in his riposte.

    I am still wondering if that guilt tripped Draghi into reversing his stance.

    However, if even Orban is upset with Putin, maybe u'm being unjust.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    PJohnson said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    pigeon said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    It depends very much who you are talking about. I wouldn't say I "glorify" death at all, but there are a lot of truly vile people on the Russian side that the world would be better off without.

    There's no point in being wet about this. Putin's death, for example, would be a blessing for humanity.
    How can you say that for certain? You've no idea what he might be keeping the lid on, or what the future holds.

    One could argue every success for Ukraine takes us one step closer to nuclear war. We just don't know.

    But I am wishing Ukraine every success in this war.
    Yes I actually think it would be better if Ukraine surrenders.. their defeat is inevitable for the reason putin can't afford to lose and ultimately has the weapons to force his will on the ukrainian people
    I’d rather be vaporised in all out nuclear war than see Ukraine surrender.
  • Oh dear....

    Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.

    The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sean_F said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    A social climber writes.

    Tell us more about your labrador-and-barbour lifestyle.

    Take into account that I own that shit because I shoot a lot, on land that I own. You?
    Are you alright?
    Yeah, I'm good. Spent the day at my favourite aunt's 90th birthday party.

    you?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Nigelb said:

    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243

    When your country is a pyramid of thieves, the easiest thing to steal is inventory for the military. No-one looks in the big warehouse until....

    Putin's pursuit of resource exploitation has hollowed out the rest of the Russian economy as well. Industrial capabilities are lower than they were 10 years ago.
  • @visegrad24
    The financial director of Gazprom has committed suicide.

    The body of 61 year old Aleksandr Tiulakov found on the street under Saint Petersburg.
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497663287214882820
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    More violations of international law.

    The capture of a rescue ship is a direct violation of the International Maritime Law and the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea,–the Ministry said adding that punishment for all these Russian crimes will come into force.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497657569627758592
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    tlg86 said:

    PJohnson said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    pigeon said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    It depends very much who you are talking about. I wouldn't say I "glorify" death at all, but there are a lot of truly vile people on the Russian side that the world would be better off without.

    There's no point in being wet about this. Putin's death, for example, would be a blessing for humanity.
    How can you say that for certain? You've no idea what he might be keeping the lid on, or what the future holds.

    One could argue every success for Ukraine takes us one step closer to nuclear war. We just don't know.

    But I am wishing Ukraine every success in this war.
    Yes I actually think it would be better if Ukraine surrenders.. their defeat is inevitable for the reason putin can't afford to lose and ultimately has the weapons to force his will on the ukrainian people
    I’d rather be vaporised in all out nuclear war than see Ukraine surrender.
    Yup - no chance Ukraine surrenders. Putin thought he’d walk in and be cheered to the rafters.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Oh dear....

    Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.

    The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851

    Horrible way to die. Horrible.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,941

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    The F word is a pretty grotesque, homophobic slur and shouldn't really be on in 2022. Or ever.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Oh dear....

    Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.

    The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851

    Now that is truly extraordinary incompetence, if true.

    I mean, surely it's easy enough to tell the difference between the sea and the land?
  • Sean_F said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    A social climber writes.

    Tell us more about your labrador-and-barbour lifestyle.

    Take into account that I own that shit because I shoot a lot, on land that I own. You?
    Are you alright?
    I wouldn't recommend engaging with him. I don't.

    He's an unpleasant troll who gets his kicks out of provoking others.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ⚡️Russian losses in last 24 hrs of its war against Ukraine:

    SU-30 fighter aircraft, 11 helicopters, 2 Su-25 aircraft, 2 Il-76 air-fighters, a column of equipment and fuel echelon, according to Air Force Command of Ukraine’s Armed Forces.

    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497659908866678786
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Nigelb said:

    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243

    Putin watched the fall of Afghanistan after the US withdrawal and assumed that the Ukrainian army would melt away into nothing like the Afghan army as soon as a hostile army came over the horizon? So didn't bother with things like, um, rockets?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    @visegrad24
    The financial director of Gazprom has committed suicide.

    The body of 61 year old Aleksandr Tiulakov found on the street under Saint Petersburg.
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497663287214882820

    Bloody hell.

    I pointed out two days ago that we were past peak Putin, but I didn't expect this steep a fall
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    IshmaelZ said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    A social climber writes.

    Tell us more about your labrador-and-barbour lifestyle.

    Take into account that I own that shit because I shoot a lot, on land that I own. You?
    I love you IshmaelZ but you’ve overcooked the Candy Flip. Log out. Back away. And we’ll see you tomorrow. 🙂
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    We really need the generals to engineer a nasty accident for Vladimir instead.
    Red Storm Rising, eh?


    “Marshal Bukharin, you propose complete staff replacement?” The practical consequences to the replacees was unspoken, Sergetov thought, but plain enough.”


  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Nigelb said:

    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243

    They’re firing the rockets at a huge area with an enormous number of targets. By area Israel is a very small country. Ukraine is bigger than France with a population only a little smaller than Spain.

  • Can someone knock up a t-shirt with the Z crossed out? I will buy one.





  • @visegrad24
    The financial director of Gazprom has committed suicide.

    The body of 61 year old Aleksandr Tiulakov found on the street under Saint Petersburg.
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497663287214882820

    Makes a change from an unfortunate accident of slipping off a balcony.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    ydoethur said:

    PJohnson said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    pigeon said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    It depends very much who you are talking about. I wouldn't say I "glorify" death at all, but there are a lot of truly vile people on the Russian side that the world would be better off without.

    There's no point in being wet about this. Putin's death, for example, would be a blessing for humanity.
    How can you say that for certain? You've no idea what he might be keeping the lid on, or what the future holds.

    One could argue every success for Ukraine takes us one step closer to nuclear war. We just don't know.

    But I am wishing Ukraine every success in this war.
    Yes I actually think it would be better if Ukraine surrenders
    Really? I am surprised.
    So we have -

    - Ukraine will inevitably lose and it will be better for everyone for them to acquiesce.
    - Ukraine may achieve a no-score draw and it will be better for everyone for them to acquiesce.
  • ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    They may want to consider a pre-emptive nasty accident happening to their boss.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    @visegrad24
    The financial director of Gazprom has committed suicide.

    The body of 61 year old Aleksandr Tiulakov found on the street under Saint Petersburg.
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497663287214882820

    The ghost of Jan Masaryk must be nodding in sympathy.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028

    @visegrad24
    The financial director of Gazprom has committed suicide.

    The body of 61 year old Aleksandr Tiulakov found on the street under Saint Petersburg.
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497663287214882820

    Makes a change from an unfortunate accident of slipping off a balcony.
    That tweet seems to have been deleted - interesting if true..
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Nigelb said:

    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243

    This is not the first such suggestion that I have read this evening. I've no idea how much of the following is true and how much might be wishful thinking (I'd be astonished if Russia were in immediate danger of running short of funds, given that we have previously been led to believe that they've been building up huge foreign exchange reserves, for example,) but it comes from a credible source:

    THREAD 1/7 Intel from a Ukrainian officer about a meeting in Putin’s lair in Urals. Oligarchs convened there so no one would flee. Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days.

    2/7 Russians didn’t have a tactical plan. The war costs about $20 bln/day. There are rockets for 3-4 days at most, they use them sparingly. They lack weapons, the Tula and 2 Rotenberg plants can’t physically fulfil the orders for weapons. Rifles and ammo are the most they can do.

    3/7 The next Russian weapons can be produced in 3-4 months – if even that. They have no raw materials. What was previously supplied mainly from Slovenia, Finland and Germany is now cut off.

    4/7 If Ukraine manages to hold the Russians off for 10 days, then the Russians will have to enter negotiations. Because they have no money, weapons, or resources. Nevertheless, they are indifferent about the sanctions.

    5/7 Alpha Spec Ops have been near Kyiv since the 18th February. The goal was to take Kyiv and instal a puppet regime. They are preparing provocations against innocent civilians – women and children – to sow panic. This is their trump card.

    6/7 Russia’s whole plan relies on panic – that the civilians and armed forces surrender and Zelensky flees. They expect Kharkiv to surrender first so the other cities would follow suit to avoid bloodshed.
    (My note: a huge column of Russian tanks was reported by CNN to be headed towards Kharkiv earlier this evening) The Russians are in shock of the fierce resistance they have encountered.

    7/7 The Ukrainians must avoid panic! The missile strikes are for intimidation, the Russians fire them at random to “accidentally” hit residential buildings to make the attack look larger than it really is. Ukraine must stay strong and we must provide assistance! #StandWithUkraine


    https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537196282331137
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Let me re-up this again:

    1) ONLY change Trump made in 2016 GOP platform was to remove military support for Ukraine. (Wrote about it at the time https://theatlantic.com/notes/2016/08/trump-time-capsule-71-someones-lying-about-the-gop-platform-on-ukraine/494789/… )

    2) GOP agreed

    3) Trump was impeached, first time, for w/holding aid to UKR. GOP (ex Romney) stood with him

    https://twitter.com/JamesFallows/status/1497654477452627971
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    edited February 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear....

    Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.

    The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851

    Now that is truly extraordinary incompetence, if true.

    I mean, surely it's easy enough to tell the difference between the sea and the land?
    Perhaps they had heard from Hyfud that they were above the continent of Europe but he'd neglected to tell them that he actually meant the Eurasian continental shelf.
  • Nigelb said:

    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243

    Putin watched the fall of Afghanistan after the US withdrawal and assumed that the Ukrainian army would melt away into nothing like the Afghan army as soon as a hostile army came over the horizon? So didn't bother with things like, um, rockets?
    The generals lied to him about how many rockets they had.

    But what's one more lie amongst all the others, eh Vlad?

    If you build a society on total fantasy and fabrication don't be surprised when you wake up to find that, actually, there are no rockets comrade.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    There's an idea going around that Russian generals sold off a lot of their missiles for a quick buck.

    I'd love it to be true but it sounds a bit far fetched.

    The sad thing about having a curfew is that presumably people can't get to the metro?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906



    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    If your entire government ideology is that no one will notice the lies while we fecking cream in the roubles, don't be surprised when your closest aides and military strategists and 4* generals all lie to you all the time.


    We can only hope it’s Putin who suffers a nasty accident..
    I'd really like to see him hanged like Saddam.
  • Truly this is the first social media war.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    There's an idea going around that Russian generals sold off a lot of their missiles for a quick buck.

    I'd love it to be true but it sounds a bit far fetched.

    The sad thing about having a curfew is that presumably people can't get to the metro?

    I thought it was for vodka?

    As in the fine Soviet joke.

    This is Armenian Radio. A listener has asked us 'What should I do if alcohol interferes with my job?' We're answering, give up the job.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Nigelb said:

    Let me re-up this again:

    1) ONLY change Trump made in 2016 GOP platform was to remove military support for Ukraine. (Wrote about it at the time https://theatlantic.com/notes/2016/08/trump-time-capsule-71-someones-lying-about-the-gop-platform-on-ukraine/494789/… )

    2) GOP agreed

    3) Trump was impeached, first time, for w/holding aid to UKR. GOP (ex Romney) stood with him

    https://twitter.com/JamesFallows/status/1497654477452627971

    And the only lesson the GOP will take from this is it happened on Biden's 'watch'. And most of their voters with them no doubt.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Can someone knock up a t-shirt with the Z crossed out? I will buy one.





    I think if we wore the real thing, people would realise it was satirical

    IshmaelZ said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    A social climber writes.

    Tell us more about your labrador-and-barbour lifestyle.

    Take into account that I own that shit because I shoot a lot, on land that I own. You?
    I love you IshmaelZ but you’ve overcooked the Candy Flip. Log out. Back away. And we’ll see you tomorrow. 🙂
    Yeah sure. Done alottachampagne2day. And I only said that because the buffoon I was replying to was bragging a bit ago about his gundog n hunterwelly lifestyle like it made him a bsd. wtf?

    Got 2 hunters to exercise tomorrow am. "There is nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse." W Churchill

    nite xx
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited February 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear....

    Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.

    The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851

    Now that is truly extraordinary incompetence, if true.

    I mean, surely it's easy enough to tell the difference between the sea and the land?
    I know nothing of these things but I’d imagine that accurately inserting paratroopers near water in a hostile area accurately would be very difficult indeed.
  • Video - Molotov cocktails in action:

    https://twitter.com/IraqNews22/status/1497666643748610051
  • kyf_100 said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    The F word is a pretty grotesque, homophobic slur and shouldn't really be on in 2022. Or ever.
    He also used the N word earlier (which is still up).

    It's not just that either it's his deeply unpleasant attitude. He's a corrosive influence to the forum.

    If it were up to me (and it's obviously not my site) he'd be banned.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    @visegrad24
    The financial director of Gazprom has committed suicide.

    The body of 61 year old Aleksandr Tiulakov found on the street under Saint Petersburg.
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497663287214882820

    He must have taken it really badly that he no longer had complimentary tickets for the final....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    There's an idea going around that Russian generals sold off a lot of their missiles for a quick buck.

    I'd love it to be true but it sounds a bit far fetched.

    Well, many positive stories as well as negative ones will be bunkum. If that one were true that's next level incompetence and corruption in the Russian state.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572

    @visegrad24
    The financial director of Gazprom has committed suicide.

    The body of 61 year old Aleksandr Tiulakov found on the street under Saint Petersburg.
    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497663287214882820

    He must have taken it really badly that he no longer had complimentary tickets for the final....
    Did he commit suicide, or was he suicided?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    pigeon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243

    This is not the first such suggestion that I have read this evening. I've no idea how much of the following is true and how much might be wishful thinking (I'd be astonished if Russia were in immediate danger of running short of funds, given that we have previously been led to believe that they've been building up huge foreign exchange reserves, for example,) but it comes from a credible source:

    THREAD 1/7 Intel from a Ukrainian officer about a meeting in Putin’s lair in Urals. Oligarchs convened there so no one would flee. Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days.

    2/7 Russians didn’t have a tactical plan. The war costs about $20 bln/day. There are rockets for 3-4 days at most, they use them sparingly. They lack weapons, the Tula and 2 Rotenberg plants can’t physically fulfil the orders for weapons. Rifles and ammo are the most they can do.

    3/7 The next Russian weapons can be produced in 3-4 months – if even that. They have no raw materials. What was previously supplied mainly from Slovenia, Finland and Germany is now cut off.

    4/7 If Ukraine manages to hold the Russians off for 10 days, then the Russians will have to enter negotiations. Because they have no money, weapons, or resources. Nevertheless, they are indifferent about the sanctions.

    5/7 Alpha Spec Ops have been near Kyiv since the 18th February. The goal was to take Kyiv and instal a puppet regime. They are preparing provocations against innocent civilians – women and children – to sow panic. This is their trump card.

    6/7 Russia’s whole plan relies on panic – that the civilians and armed forces surrender and Zelensky flees. They expect Kharkiv to surrender first so the other cities would follow suit to avoid bloodshed.
    (My note: a huge column of Russian tanks was reported by CNN to be headed towards Kharkiv earlier this evening) The Russians are in shock of the fierce resistance they have encountered.

    7/7 The Ukrainians must avoid panic! The missile strikes are for intimidation, the Russians fire them at random to “accidentally” hit residential buildings to make the attack look larger than it really is. Ukraine must stay strong and we must provide assistance! #StandWithUkraine


    https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537196282331137
    "I'd be astonished if Russia were in immediate danger of running short of funds, given that we have previously been led to believe that they've been building up huge foreign exchange reserves"

    Tiger tanks != potatoes.

    Simply because you have money doesn't mean that you have advanced weapons. Those take a pyramid of advanced technology. Massive investments. The rate of production of military aircraft, for example, is very low in Russia.

    For WWII it took the UK most of decade (from 1932), before the war, to build the in-depth armaments industry required.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Truly this is the first social media war.

    I've read that many times in the last 10 years. But for Europeans, sure.

  • Josep Borrell Fontelles
    @JosepBorrellF
    ·
    22m
    I am convening a virtual meeting of EU Foreign Ministers tomorrow at 18.00 to adopt further measures in support of #Ukraine, against aggression by #Russia.

    I will propose a package of emergency assistance for the Ukrainian armed forces, to support them in their heroic fight.

    https://twitter.com/JosepBorrellF/status/1497662918120325129
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    The latest
    @OpiniumResearch

    @ObserverUK
    poll shows a 4 point Labour lead.

    Con 34%
    Lab 38% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11%
    Green 6%

    Behind all this international crisis The People have decided on Boris Johnson, most likely his Parliamentary Party have too. Soon as the news narrative changes there will be a reckoning - for now our thoughts and prayers are in Ukraine. 🙋‍♀️
  • glw said:



    ydoethur said:

    I hope this is true.

    President's Office: Sumy fully returned to Ukrainian control.

    Presidential advisor Oleksiy Arestovych wrote that despite earlier reports that half the city was under Russian control, it has now returned fully to Ukrainian control.


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497657843629109256

    An awful lot of Russian generals are about to suffer nasty accidents, aren't they?
    If your entire government ideology is that no one will notice the lies while we fecking cream in the roubles, don't be surprised when your closest aides and military strategists and 4* generals all lie to you all the time.


    We can only hope it’s Putin who suffers a nasty accident..
    I'd really like to see him hanged like Saddam.
    I'd like to see him on his really long table with a Klitschko at each end punching him back and forth.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    kyf_100 said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    The F word is a pretty grotesque, homophobic slur and shouldn't really be on in 2022. Or ever.
    It's not the first time. The bloke threw a wobbly with me a couple of weeks back and called me a cocksucker - about fourteen times over several sweary messages. Tantrums like that are routinely tolerated on PB. It's one of the less edifying aspects of the site.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear....

    Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.

    The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851

    Now that is truly extraordinary incompetence, if true.

    I mean, surely it's easy enough to tell the difference between the sea and the land?
    I know nothing of these things but I’d imagine that accurately inserting paratroopers near water in a hostile accurately would be very difficult indeed.
    Which is why you shouldn't do it. You should allow for wind, and not release until you have a margin for safety. And if in doubt, don't do it.

    I mean, I know all that talk about drop zones and so on, but the mess they've made here...and we're presumably talking about elite troops as well.

    No wonder the advance is so slow. It's clearly not been planned at all. So far we've had inadequate air cover, logistics and supply chains running dry in 36 hours, and now paratroops being dropped in the sea.

    About the only unambiguous success is reopening the North Crimean Canal, and they could have done that far more simply and cheaply.
  • pigeon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Don’t know if this is accurate, but…

    Multiple reports now, including from British intel, that Russia is running out of rockets. And I’m confused. During most wars in Israel it absolutely rains rockets, the sky looks like fire hail. How does a “superpower” *run out of rockets* faster than Gaza in a day?
    https://twitter.com/juliaskripkaser/status/1497659725550346243

    This is not the first such suggestion that I have read this evening. I've no idea how much of the following is true and how much might be wishful thinking (I'd be astonished if Russia were in immediate danger of running short of funds, given that we have previously been led to believe that they've been building up huge foreign exchange reserves, for example,) but it comes from a credible source:

    THREAD 1/7 Intel from a Ukrainian officer about a meeting in Putin’s lair in Urals. Oligarchs convened there so no one would flee. Putin is furious, he thought that the whole war would be easy and everything would be done in 1-4 days.

    2/7 Russians didn’t have a tactical plan. The war costs about $20 bln/day. There are rockets for 3-4 days at most, they use them sparingly. They lack weapons, the Tula and 2 Rotenberg plants can’t physically fulfil the orders for weapons. Rifles and ammo are the most they can do.

    3/7 The next Russian weapons can be produced in 3-4 months – if even that. They have no raw materials. What was previously supplied mainly from Slovenia, Finland and Germany is now cut off.

    4/7 If Ukraine manages to hold the Russians off for 10 days, then the Russians will have to enter negotiations. Because they have no money, weapons, or resources. Nevertheless, they are indifferent about the sanctions.

    5/7 Alpha Spec Ops have been near Kyiv since the 18th February. The goal was to take Kyiv and instal a puppet regime. They are preparing provocations against innocent civilians – women and children – to sow panic. This is their trump card.

    6/7 Russia’s whole plan relies on panic – that the civilians and armed forces surrender and Zelensky flees. They expect Kharkiv to surrender first so the other cities would follow suit to avoid bloodshed.
    (My note: a huge column of Russian tanks was reported by CNN to be headed towards Kharkiv earlier this evening) The Russians are in shock of the fierce resistance they have encountered.

    7/7 The Ukrainians must avoid panic! The missile strikes are for intimidation, the Russians fire them at random to “accidentally” hit residential buildings to make the attack look larger than it really is. Ukraine must stay strong and we must provide assistance! #StandWithUkraine


    https://twitter.com/RihoTerras/status/1497537196282331137
    Propaganda is part of the war effort for both sides - I wouldn't get too excited.

    What we can safely conclude, for now, is that Putin's initial hopes of a swift light armoured strike down main roads, in the face of crumbling/capitulating opposition, leading to political decapitation and the installation of a "friendly" regime followed by a ceasefire, all inside 72 hours, have failed. They've been complacent and miscalculated Ukrainian resolve.

    All sorts of things can happen next.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    IshmaelZ said:

    Can someone knock up a t-shirt with the Z crossed out? I will buy one.





    I think if we wore the real thing, people would realise it was satirical

    IshmaelZ said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    A social climber writes.

    Tell us more about your labrador-and-barbour lifestyle.

    Take into account that I own that shit because I shoot a lot, on land that I own. You?
    I love you IshmaelZ but you’ve overcooked the Candy Flip. Log out. Back away. And we’ll see you tomorrow. 🙂
    Yeah sure. Done alottachampagne2day. And I only said that because the buffoon I was replying to was bragging a bit ago about his gundog n hunterwelly lifestyle like it made him a bsd. wtf?

    Got 2 hunters to exercise tomorrow am. "There is nothing better for the inside of a man than the outside of a horse." W Churchill

    nite xx
    Those were hundreds and thousands on the birthday trifle? [insert critical parent look]

    Rember to sleep on your side 😘
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    edited February 2022

    Who owns VAR now? City themselves or their charitable foundation?

    https://twitter.com/MattMason_/status/1497652154064113667

    Ironic that fans of other clubs call your team LiVARpool
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    NEW THREAD
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    IanB2 said:

    A quick glance at my BF account suggests today’s horse racing tips did well, including the EW long shot from Ms Rabbit. Congratulations all :)

    I did not bad , my EW bet was placed at 14-1 and 2 out of 3 in my trixie so reasonable day.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Scott_xP said:

    ⚡️Russian losses in last 24 hrs of its war against Ukraine:

    SU-30 fighter aircraft, 11 helicopters, 2 Su-25 aircraft, 2 Il-76 air-fighters, a column of equipment and fuel echelon, according to Air Force Command of Ukraine’s Armed Forces.

    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497659908866678786

    If Zelensky can pull this off ( and I am more sanguine than many on here) there should be a massive uptick in Johnson's support. The great Churchillian Statesman by default.

    Another ten, even twenty years of Johnson who I detest, is a price I would be more than happy to pay for this evil to stop.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    NEW THREAD

    For micro dick ticket collectors on the london underground to not recognise well known quotations from da movies, tell us about their pretendy gundogs etc to make idiots of themselves on. YAYYYYY
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    The chairman of Russia’s lower house of parliament had his plane turned back mid-flight by Sweden and then Finland, making him the first top Russian official to face Europe’s denial of airspace permissions in response to the invasion https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/26/russia-ukraine-war-news-updates/#link-72IBFFTLVNFF3IEOIELFV6ELPE https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1497611282731646983/photo/1
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    I've said it before, but this is just all baffling:

    Russian airforce failing to to achieve air supremacy
    Whole convoys of Russian vehicles being abandoned due to a lack of fuel just days and tens of kms in.
    Support and light arms convoys being sent right into set defences with NLAWs
    Russian generals running low on rockets, despite supposedly having many stockpiled.
    The airforce killing a good portion of the VDV by either flying troop transporters into SAM defences, or right into the sea.
    Russia supposedly having no real battle plan and failing to get allied help.

    Some of these are surely disinfo, but there's enough to point to a seriously dysfunctional command structure.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986

    The latest
    @OpiniumResearch

    @ObserverUK
    poll shows a 4 point Labour lead.

    Con 34%
    Lab 38% (+1)
    Lib Dem 11%
    Green 6%

    LLG on a stable 55%. In the 54-58 range that ALL polls have been in for about 6 weeks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Scott_xP said:

    ⚡️Russian losses in last 24 hrs of its war against Ukraine:

    SU-30 fighter aircraft, 11 helicopters, 2 Su-25 aircraft, 2 Il-76 air-fighters, a column of equipment and fuel echelon, according to Air Force Command of Ukraine’s Armed Forces.

    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497659908866678786

    If Zelensky can pull this off ( and I am more sanguine than many on here) there should be a massive uptick in Johnson's support. The great Churchillian Statesman by default.

    Another ten, even twenty years of Johnson who I detest, is a price I would be more than happy to pay for this evil to stop.
    Now look, I want Ukraine to win and Putin to die after being caught cowering in a sewer and sodomised by 50 people wielding a 15 inch dildo Leon has knapped specially for the task.

    But I'm not willing to go *that* far.
  • DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear....

    Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.

    The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851

    Now that is truly extraordinary incompetence, if true.

    I mean, surely it's easy enough to tell the difference between the sea and the land?
    I know nothing of these things but I’d imagine that accurately inserting paratroopers near water in a hostile area accurately would be very difficult indeed.
    As the Germans found out during the invasion of Crete in 1941.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear....

    Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.

    The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1497664806958030851

    Now that is truly extraordinary incompetence, if true.

    I mean, surely it's easy enough to tell the difference between the sea and the land?
    From the little I know of it, paratroop operations are always difficult and prone to this sort of thing. All you need is for the wind to be in slightly the wrong direction and they'll be blown all over the shop. If they were aiming for coastal fortifications I guess it's easy for it to happen, especially if they exited at high altitude.

    I'd hope techniques have improved since 1944, but AIUI D-Day paratroop operations had mixed success.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    NEW THREAD

    For micro dick ticket collectors on the london underground to not recognise well known quotations from da movies, tell us about their pretendy gundogs etc to make idiots of themselves on. YAYYYYY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAr7oI8cquA
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,941

    kyf_100 said:

    PJohnson said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    tlg86 said:

    darkage said:

    I am as mad as anyone about what is going on, but have been trying to resist the urge to call for or glorify death. Anyone fighting for Russia is doing so under orders from a dictator. The tragedy is that the Ukranians have been forced in to defending themselves in this way.

    Whilst I feel some sympathy for the young Russians being sent to the deaths, we should not shy away from the fact that this is war and we very much know which side we're on.
    They might be conscripts, but soldiers are normally reckoned fair game. The Ukies need to kill as many Moskali as they can.
    Not a word I knew till 2 minutes ago, but apparently used only as an ethnic slur. And what is this "normally considered fair game" shit? I mean, yes, we are all on the Ukr side, but you sound like a Victorian gent reading the ticker in his club and hoping the North is giving the niggers a dam' good pasting.
    Not at all. If the Russians invade a democratic country then they deserve whatever shit gets dropped on them.
    And you are pleased about the thought of unwilling conscripts suffering injury and death.

    OK.
    Perfect world they stop fighting and nobody else dies.

    In the real world and for the greater good we need as many Russians to die as possible, as cold as it sounds.

    It's the only thing that stops Putin, either by deciding to cut his losses and withdraw or forces a coup to remove him due to Russia anger from parents seeing their sons die in a needless and pointless way.
    Holy fuck, you slack jawed faggot, how stupid do you think I am?

    Let me give you a clue: I am more intelligent than you, than any teacher at any school or "university" you ever attended, than anyone you have ever met and than the author of any book you have ever read (having a laugh there, obv). By a wide margin.

    But thanks.
    You sound about 10. What an immature statement
    His language has been wholly inappropriate and offensive this evening.

    @PBModerator can you perhaps take a look?
    The F word is a pretty grotesque, homophobic slur and shouldn't really be on in 2022. Or ever.
    He also used the N word earlier (which is still up).

    It's not just that either it's his deeply unpleasant attitude. He's a corrosive influence to the forum.

    If it were up to me (and it's obviously not my site) he'd be banned.
    Didn't see that one, but use of either of those words would be a sacking offense at any job I've had in the last decade. No written warning, instant dismissal.
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