I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
My generation rate is 15.92p and my feed back is 5.57p which in the last 12 months resulted in payments of £628 plus the free energy resulting in circa £750 pa, on my array of 8 south facing panels and 3 west facing
Re: roofing re: solar panels, is it now possible to find online, a website or app or something, that help determine just how much sunshine you can expect to capture based on building location, orientation, elevation, surrounding vegetation and other relevant factors?
Good effort. I had two choices and got the wrong one...
Wordle 242 4/6
⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜ ⬜⬜🟩🟩⬜ ⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
(SPOILER ALERT)
I start with ADIEU, which is great but makes word 2 a little difficult sometimes to get an O and a Y in it.
PORNY did it, though.
Off to try LEWDLE.
4 for me today. I started with Teary
I was bored enough the other day to work out the word with the minimum maximum number of potential solutions and it turned out to be SERAI, whatever that means.
There were 697 possible words for ⬜⬜⬜🟨⬜ which was the worst case.
Good effort. I had two choices and got the wrong one...
Wordle 242 4/6
⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜ ⬜⬜🟩🟩⬜ ⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
(SPOILER ALERT)
I start with ADIEU, which is great but makes word 2 a little difficult sometimes to get an O and a Y in it.
PORNY did it, though.
Off to try LEWDLE.
4 for me today. I started with Teary
I was bored enough the other day to work out the word with the minimum number (minmax) in any potential solution group given the set of possible results, and it turned out to be SERAI, whatever that means.
CRANE and SEDAL are mathematically proven good openers too.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Yes. I often wonder if this "hard sell" puts off more than it entices. I wouldn't buy anything under a tirade of non-stop bollocks. Even if I wanted it.
I once took a party of 8 people I was hosting out of a restaurant because the waiter when asked his opinion consistently recommended the most expensive of the options, including a ludicrously priced bottle of wine. I refuse to spend my money in establishments whose only objective is to fleece their customers.
Usually they recommend whatever isn’t shifting.
That's often a good thing though. Having worked in restaurants, I always go for the special. It's usually something the chef is passionate about, often something that's more unusual sounding (so people don't order it) but in actuality delicious, like braised ox cheek, and they usually reward you with putting out a really nice dish of food.
Good effort. I had two choices and got the wrong one...
Wordle 242 4/6
⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜ ⬜⬜🟩🟩⬜ ⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩 🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
(SPOILER ALERT)
I start with ADIEU, which is great but makes word 2 a little difficult sometimes to get an O and a Y in it.
PORNY did it, though.
Off to try LEWDLE.
4 for me today. I started with Teary
I was bored enough the other day to work out the word with the minimum number (minmax) in any potential solution group given the set of possible results, and it turned out to be SERAI, whatever that means.
CRANE and SEDAL are mathematically proven good openers too.
I always use BEAUT first and if that throws up nothing SPOIL second.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Yes. I often wonder if this "hard sell" puts off more than it entices. I wouldn't buy anything under a tirade of non-stop bollocks. Even if I wanted it.
I once took a party of 8 people I was hosting out of a restaurant because the waiter when asked his opinion consistently recommended the most expensive of the options, including a ludicrously priced bottle of wine. I refuse to spend my money in establishments whose only objective is to fleece their customers.
Usually they recommend whatever isn’t shifting.
That's often a good thing though. Having worked in restaurants, I always go for the special. It's usually something the chef is passionate about, often something that's more unusual sounding (so people don't order it) but in actuality delicious, like braised ox cheek, and they usually reward you with putting out a really nice dish of food.
I do like trying the specials usually for a bit of variety especially if it is somewhere I go regularly. That’s a good point about the special being something the chef is passionate about. I’d not considered that and you’re right. Ox cheek is delicious.
Re: roofing re: solar panels, is it now possible to find online, a website or app or something, that help determine just how much sunshine you can expect to capture based on building location, orientation, elevation, surrounding vegetation and other relevant factors?
That's always existed. This is the standard Energy Saving Trust version, which is easy to use and precise enough given the variables in any install.
Re: roofing re: solar panels, is it now possible to find online, a website or app or something, that help determine just how much sunshine you can expect to capture based on building location, orientation, elevation, surrounding vegetation and other relevant factors?
That's always existed. This is the standard Energy Saving Trust version, which is easy to use and precise enough given the variables in any install.
If you live somewhere exotic I think you can move the satellite view.
The generation figure is very conservative. Estimates 3.4k for me and my panels have done about 4.3k a year. Christ, hope they're not blown off my house tonight :E
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Re: roofing re: solar panels, is it now possible to find online, a website or app or something, that help determine just how much sunshine you can expect to capture based on building location, orientation, elevation, surrounding vegetation and other relevant factors?
That's always existed. This is the standard Energy Saving Trust version, which is easy to use and precise enough given the variables in any install.
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
People like to be useful. A great many of our jobs we suspect we are not adding much value to things, but its impolitics to admit it. It's depressing.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
My generation rate is 15.92p and my feed back is 5.57p which in the last 12 months resulted in payments of £628 plus the free energy resulting in circa £750 pa, on my array of 8 south facing panels and 3 west facing
I think the MSM is giving too far much coverage to Royal stories/Covid/Ukraine/Partygate and by no means enough on the cost of living squeeze.
Its a mundane issue for reasonably paid journos, but out there in the country I think its a huge issue.
Do they train people on excuses as well as sporting activity? Kamila Valieva's anti-doping sample showed traces of three drugs that can be used to treat heart conditions, according to a New York Times report.
The 15-year-old Russian figure skater is being allowed to compete at Beijing 2022 despite testing positive for banned angina drug trimetazidine.The report said it also showed hyproxen and L-Carnitine, which are not banned...
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) said on Tuesday that Valieva has argued her positive drugs test was due to contamination with her grandad's medicine.
It's been noted before how it seems incredibly common that people with serious heart conditions or asthma are also world class athletes, but such athletes often also seem to have very poor memories (I missed the test by accident) or very careless (mixed up my medicine/didn't read the label).
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
My generation rate is 15.92p and my feed back is 5.57p which in the last 12 months resulted in payments of £628 plus the free energy resulting in circa £750 pa, on my array of 8 south facing panels and 3 west facing
OK so at present I get £1000 ish of benefit on a comparison.
"I will sorely miss this great Lord’s tradition The Eton-Harrow match has been swept away by a tide of change that can at times seem irrational Henry Blofeld" (£)
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Up to a point, Lord Copper. At one job the founders were so charismatic, I reckon 80 per cent would have turned up for nothing if they could afford it. I've also known plenty loyal to their firms, from retail to railways. One of my earliest memories is a Ford assembly worker showing me in detail the ways his new Escort was better than anything from the Midlands.
The trick for employers is to create this fake family feeling. One of my international megacorps made this fairly explicit. As I used to jokingly remind colleagues, this is a great place to work right up until they decide they don't need you any more.
But yes, most jobs, including the good ones, have to pay people to turn up for work. Some are inherently unpleasant, and most jobs have bad parts. Some bosses do seem to go out of their way to piss off the shop floor though.
Re: roofing re: solar panels, is it now possible to find online, a website or app or something, that help determine just how much sunshine you can expect to capture based on building location, orientation, elevation, surrounding vegetation and other relevant factors?
That's always existed. This is the standard Energy Saving Trust version, which is easy to use and precise enough given the variables in any install.
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
The floor of Tory support. Or near enough.
Yah, what 2010, and 2019 have shown is that no matter how bad things get around 30% of the electorate will vote for Labour, same level as the Tories showed in 1997.
True, unless they start leaking massively to a party to their right or left.
It's the "we think this tax is crap" versus "we mustn't be seen to profane the NHS God" dilemma.
If you offered the same set of respondents a choice between funding the NHS with an NI increase versus funding the NHS with a 90% super tax on bank profits (and individual bankers' bonuses) then you wouldn't get many votes in favour of the NI increase.
Always the problem with these kinds of questions. Very crude.
Also, a criticism of the raise is partly that it won't really do anything for social care and will just scratch the surface of health care.
Re: roofing re: solar panels, is it now possible to find online, a website or app or something, that help determine just how much sunshine you can expect to capture based on building location, orientation, elevation, surrounding vegetation and other relevant factors?
That's always existed. This is the standard Energy Saving Trust version, which is easy to use and precise enough given the variables in any install.
If you live somewhere exotic I think you can move the satellite view.
The generation figure is very conservative. Estimates 3.4k for me and my panels have done about 4.3k a year. Christ, hope they're not blown off my house tonight :E
My panel installation had engineering calculations and they are fixed as an integral part of the roof
Mind you we have just be warned that for Friday we will be in a red warning area
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
He may have ended up better off than Cameron, 7 figure salary and mansion in California and high profile role having been Deputy PM and despite leading his party to heavy defeat in 2015 and losing his seat in 2017.
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
He may have ended up better off than Cameron, 7 figure salary and mansion in California and high profile role having been Deputy PM and despite leading his party to heavy defeat in 2015 and losing his seat in 2017.
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
Money isn't everything. Clearly some people love it, but I'd find public relations to be soul destroying work.
He may have ended up better off than Cameron, 7 figure salary and mansion in California and high profile role having been Deputy PM and despite leading his party to heavy defeat in 2015 and losing his seat in 2017.
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
He may have ended up better off than Cameron, 7 figure salary and mansion in California and high profile role having been Deputy PM and despite leading his party to heavy defeat in 2015 and losing his seat in 2017.
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
He wasn't "forced out", he flounced.
It was jump or be pushed, no matter what anyone admitted at the time.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Have to say I enjoy mine and it is well paid
I would say I'm pretty fortunate with my work myself, in many ways - but none of that means that I wouldn't retire straight away if presented with a sufficiently large wad of cash. As it is, I'm saving assiduously with a view to going part-time as soon as I think I can afford it.
Most people nowadays aren't that lucky, of course.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
Thanks. We've got a couple of other big expenses this year, but perhaps once those are behind us this is something to seriously look into. Last time I researched it about 10 years ago the numbers did not add up.
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Have to say I enjoy mine and it is well paid
I would say I'm pretty fortunate with my work myself, in many ways - but none of that means that I wouldn't retire straight away if presented with a sufficiently large wad of cash. As it is, I'm saving assiduously with a view to going part-time as soon as I think I can afford it.
Most people nowadays aren't that lucky, of course.
I love my job. It’s exceptionally varied, I get to help train future pharmacists and chemists, get to do serious science and get a decent wage. If I won a substantial sum of money I’d carry on the research by funding others. Life is too short not to enjoy doing the things a lot of money would allow...
He may have ended up better off than Cameron, 7 figure salary and mansion in California and high profile role having been Deputy PM and despite leading his party to heavy defeat in 2015 and losing his seat in 2017.
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
Money isn't everything. Clearly some people love it, but I'd find public relations to be soul destroying work.
And you left off 'Knighthood'.
Good point, poor Dave is poorer than Clegg and not even a Knight of the Realm unlike Clegg, yet alone a Lord
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
And consider doing a small section.
And see if it is big enough to set up a contract to supply (?). Q for the consultant.
It hardly surprising since most employers demand loyalty from their employees whilst dumping them in a heartbeat in difficult times. Many demand much and give as little back as they can get away with. Perhaps people are fed up being treated like cattle.
At least UK employers have not yet reached the American levels of lunacy were asking for an afternoon off is a career limiting move.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
Thanks. We've got a couple of other big expenses this year, but perhaps once those are behind us this is something to seriously look into. Last time I researched it about 10 years ago the numbers did not add up.
Can you do a special "rentaroof" type deal, where you get benefit once it has paid itself off?
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Have to say I enjoy mine and it is well paid
I would say I'm pretty fortunate with my work myself, in many ways - but none of that means that I wouldn't retire straight away if presented with a sufficiently large wad of cash. As it is, I'm saving assiduously with a view to going part-time as soon as I think I can afford it.
Most people nowadays aren't that lucky, of course.
I love my job. It’s exceptionally varied, I get to help train future pharmacists and chemists, get to do serious science and get a decent wage. If I won a substantial sum of money I’d carry on the research by funding others. Life is too short not to enjoy doing the things a lot of money would allow...
I'd live a life of leisure that would allow me to post on PB all the time rather than just most of the time.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
And consider doing a small section.
And see if it is big enough to set up a contract to supply (?). Q for the consultant.
We have several other buildings that are smaller and also mostly south-facing (multiple run-in sheds, bank barn, horse barn, separate garage). Perhaps do one of these first.
In an effort to knit this thread together, how about starting Wordle with solar today and panel tomorrow? To keep it on topic, day three could be prime.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
And consider doing a small section.
And see if it is big enough to set up a contract to supply (?). Q for the consultant.
We have several other buildings that are smaller and also mostly south-facing (multiple run-in sheds, bank barn, horse barn, separate garage). Perhaps do one of these first.
Always good to see the gentry taking the lead - am now doffing my cap and tugging my (metaphorical) forelock in you direction, Squire!
The burnt down electricity interconnector to France seems to be back, Worth 1GW of supply, which is a 3% easing if used to the full in the usual direction.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
And consider doing a small section.
And see if it is big enough to set up a contract to supply (?). Q for the consultant.
We have several other buildings that are smaller and also mostly south-facing (multiple run-in sheds, bank barn, horse barn, separate garage). Perhaps do one of these first.
Always good to see the gentry taking the lead - am now doffing my cap and tugging my (metaphorical) forelock in you direction, Squire!
Reckon your horsies would REALLY (and rightly) object IF they found themselves stabled in my humble abode.
For one thing, they're no doubt used to having someone shovel out their stalls on a regular basis!
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Have to say I enjoy mine and it is well paid
I would say I'm pretty fortunate with my work myself, in many ways - but none of that means that I wouldn't retire straight away if presented with a sufficiently large wad of cash. As it is, I'm saving assiduously with a view to going part-time as soon as I think I can afford it.
Most people nowadays aren't that lucky, of course.
I love my job. It’s exceptionally varied, I get to help train future pharmacists and chemists, get to do serious science and get a decent wage. If I won a substantial sum of money I’d carry on the research by funding others. Life is too short not to enjoy doing the things a lot of money would allow...
Yes, mine is a great job too. A really interesting cocktail of science, human contact, problem solving and teaching.
It's the "we think this tax is crap" versus "we mustn't be seen to profane the NHS God" dilemma.
If you offered the same set of respondents a choice between funding the NHS with an NI increase versus funding the NHS with a 90% super tax on bank profits (and individual bankers' bonuses) then you wouldn't get many votes in favour of the NI increase.
Always the problem with these kinds of questions. Very crude.
Also, a criticism of the raise is partly that it won't really do anything for social care and will just scratch the surface of health care.
Which is why NHS Tax won't stay at 1.25% for very long...
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
I thought that I hated work, but then stopped working for a few months, and I sunk in to depression, inactivity, anxiety and madness. I then got another job. My experience is that the best thing for mental health is to keep working all the time but take all steps possible to reduce stress, and to not take work too seriously, and to avoid sticking to any one employer for too long. Right now I am doing a rather menial job with little in the way of status, but which I enjoy most of the time, can do very well and get very well paid for. I've also got other channels of income which I can spend time working on. All these people around me are pursuing power and status and killing themselves with stress to the point where they seem to be constantly on the verge of a breakdown. They have never stopped to think about what is really in their long term interest.
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
"I will sorely miss this great Lord’s tradition The Eton-Harrow match has been swept away by a tide of change that can at times seem irrational Henry Blofeld" (£)
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Have to say I enjoy mine and it is well paid
I would say I'm pretty fortunate with my work myself, in many ways - but none of that means that I wouldn't retire straight away if presented with a sufficiently large wad of cash. As it is, I'm saving assiduously with a view to going part-time as soon as I think I can afford it.
Most people nowadays aren't that lucky, of course.
I love my job. It’s exceptionally varied, I get to help train future pharmacists and chemists, get to do serious science and get a decent wage. If I won a substantial sum of money I’d carry on the research by funding others. Life is too short not to enjoy doing the things a lot of money would allow...
Yes, mine is a great job too. A really interesting cocktail of science, human contact, problem solving and teaching.
Though one gains the impression that people who work in call centres, clean bogs or flip burgers for a living are under-represented in the PB demographic.
It's the "we think this tax is crap" versus "we mustn't be seen to profane the NHS God" dilemma.
If you offered the same set of respondents a choice between funding the NHS with an NI increase versus funding the NHS with a 90% super tax on bank profits (and individual bankers' bonuses) then you wouldn't get many votes in favour of the NI increase.
Always the problem with these kinds of questions. Very crude.
Also, a criticism of the raise is partly that it won't really do anything for social care and will just scratch the surface of health care.
Which is why NHS Tax won't stay at 1.25% for very long...
The problem is demographics, with medicine being expensive and mostly on the older population. NHS or private, it is going to have to be paid for.
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Have to say I enjoy mine and it is well paid
I would say I'm pretty fortunate with my work myself, in many ways - but none of that means that I wouldn't retire straight away if presented with a sufficiently large wad of cash. As it is, I'm saving assiduously with a view to going part-time as soon as I think I can afford it.
Most people nowadays aren't that lucky, of course.
I love my job. It’s exceptionally varied, I get to help train future pharmacists and chemists, get to do serious science and get a decent wage. If I won a substantial sum of money I’d carry on the research by funding others. Life is too short not to enjoy doing the things a lot of money would allow...
Yes, mine is a great job too. A really interesting cocktail of science, human contact, problem solving and teaching.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
And consider doing a small section.
And see if it is big enough to set up a contract to supply (?). Q for the consultant.
We have several other buildings that are smaller and also mostly south-facing (multiple run-in sheds, bank barn, horse barn, separate garage). Perhaps do one of these first.
Always good to see the gentry taking the lead - am now doffing my cap and tugging my (metaphorical) forelock in you direction, Squire!
He may have ended up better off than Cameron, 7 figure salary and mansion in California and high profile role having been Deputy PM and despite leading his party to heavy defeat in 2015 and losing his seat in 2017.
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
Money isn't everything. Clearly some people love it, but I'd find public relations to be soul destroying work.
And you left off 'Knighthood'.
At the level Clegg is now out the salary is barely relevant. He will probably make far more money from stock awards.
"I will sorely miss this great Lord’s tradition The Eton-Harrow match has been swept away by a tide of change that can at times seem irrational Henry Blofeld" (£)
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
And consider doing a small section.
And see if it is big enough to set up a contract to supply (?). Q for the consultant.
We have several other buildings that are smaller and also mostly south-facing (multiple run-in sheds, bank barn, horse barn, separate garage). Perhaps do one of these first.
Always good to see the gentry taking the lead - am now doffing my cap and tugging my (metaphorical) forelock in you direction, Squire!
Reckon your horsies would REALLY (and rightly) object IF they found themselves stabled in my humble abode.
For one thing, they're no doubt used to having someone shovel out their stalls on a regular basis!
My wife takes way better care of the horses than me, and way better care of the barns than the house.
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Have to say I enjoy mine and it is well paid
I would say I'm pretty fortunate with my work myself, in many ways - but none of that means that I wouldn't retire straight away if presented with a sufficiently large wad of cash. As it is, I'm saving assiduously with a view to going part-time as soon as I think I can afford it.
Most people nowadays aren't that lucky, of course.
I love my job. It’s exceptionally varied, I get to help train future pharmacists and chemists, get to do serious science and get a decent wage. If I won a substantial sum of money I’d carry on the research by funding others. Life is too short not to enjoy doing the things a lot of money would allow...
Yes, mine is a great job too. A really interesting cocktail of science, human contact, problem solving and teaching.
Though one gains the impression that people who work in call centres, clean bogs or flip burgers for a living are under-represented in the PB demographic.
Unlike people who sit watching the sunset over the Indian ocean sipping a bucket of gin whilst typing the odd line of a new book?
He may have ended up better off than Cameron, 7 figure salary and mansion in California and high profile role having been Deputy PM and despite leading his party to heavy defeat in 2015 and losing his seat in 2017.
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
Money isn't everything. Clearly some people love it, but I'd find public relations to be soul destroying work.
And you left off 'Knighthood'.
At the level Clegg is now out the salary is barely relevant. He will probably make far more money from stock awards.
Would it be mean-spirited of me to hope for Facebook's valuation to crash and stay crashed?
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
Perhaps you could start political-wordle.com were the puzzle's answer is connected to a politican, party or political philosophy?
How many people were ever in love with work though? Most jobs constitute drudgery, working with horrid people, dealing with horrid customers, flogging yourself for shite wages, or some combination of all of these things. And even where people don't actually hate work, the vast majority of them would give it up at the drop of a hat if they won the lottery.
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Mrs F likes to do the same thing off job as on job, but with less time in front of a computer afterwards.
I don't think it is that unusual to end up doing something that you would enjoy if it wasn't for it being a paid job.
That book did a better job of coming close to persuading me about universal basic income than any political party has managed. I'm a box ticker.
Indeed.
I think this idea that you can be productive every day from 9 - 5 (or longer) is the worst thing about work in general, but unfortunately most jobs don't give you the luxury of deciding that your highest ambition for the day is posting nonsense on the internet.
I do wonder if we will eventually have to have UBI, and how many people will then lose all motivation to do anything much. I suspect that it would be quite a low percentage.
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
Thanks. We've got a couple of other big expenses this year, but perhaps once those are behind us this is something to seriously look into. Last time I researched it about 10 years ago the numbers did not add up.
Can you do a special "rentaroof" type deal, where you get benefit once it has paid itself off?
Solar City (Musk's outfit) do a rentaroof. But it is (or at least was) more like I rent my roof to Solar City for free so that I can buy the electricity they produce at a meagre discount over retail.
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
Even the French election isn't looking particularly interesting. Might be some interest in second place, or in percentages.
"I will sorely miss this great Lord’s tradition The Eton-Harrow match has been swept away by a tide of change that can at times seem irrational Henry Blofeld" (£)
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
Perhaps you could start political-wordle.com were the puzzle's answer is connected to a politican, party or political philosophy?
Ok then, I've got one for you five letters. Let's see how you do.
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
Perhaps you could start political-wordle.com were the puzzle's answer is connected to a politican, party or political philosophy?
Ok then, I've got one for you five letters. Let's see how you do.
He may have ended up better off than Cameron, 7 figure salary and mansion in California and high profile role having been Deputy PM and despite leading his party to heavy defeat in 2015 and losing his seat in 2017.
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
Money isn't everything. Clearly some people love it, but I'd find public relations to be soul destroying work.
And you left off 'Knighthood'.
Good point, poor Dave is poorer than Clegg and not even a Knight of the Realm unlike Clegg, yet alone a Lord
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
Perhaps you could start political-wordle.com were the puzzle's answer is connected to a politican, party or political philosophy?
Ok then, I've got one for you five letters. Let's see how you do.
Macrn? Plosi? Rishi?
MACRN is not valid PLOSI is not valid RISHI = X✓XXX
I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.
Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
May not need it.
Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.
I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.
And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
Any advice for going bigger? We probably have about half an acre of south facing roof. Does it make sense to optimize build size to tax breaks or to current home/farm power usage, or to maximize electricity production?
You need to be able to use the power at the time it is available, or get a feed in connection to the grid, and make the numbers add up. Or have a big baseload that lets you timeshift it - which could be batteries or something to turn it into heat such as electric underfloor in a big slab, or a big glasshouse with a 24x7 temperature, or a lot of water heating, or an animal house needing a warm floor etc.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
And consider doing a small section.
And see if it is big enough to set up a contract to supply (?). Q for the consultant.
We have several other buildings that are smaller and also mostly south-facing (multiple run-in sheds, bank barn, horse barn, separate garage). Perhaps do one of these first.
Always good to see the gentry taking the lead - am now doffing my cap and tugging my (metaphorical) forelock in you direction, Squire!
Reckon your horsies would REALLY (and rightly) object IF they found themselves stabled in my humble abode.
For one thing, they're no doubt used to having someone shovel out their stalls on a regular basis!
My wife takes way better care of the horses than me, and way better care of the barns than the house.
So you're telling us, she lets you hang around the place re: stud services?
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
Perhaps you could start political-wordle.com were the puzzle's answer is connected to a politican, party or political philosophy?
Ok then, I've got one for you five letters. Let's see how you do.
Macrn? Plosi? Rishi?
MACRN is not valid PLOSI is not valid RISHI = X✓XXX
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
Perhaps you could start political-wordle.com were the puzzle's answer is connected to a politican, party or political philosophy?
Ok then, I've got one for you five letters. Let's see how you do.
israel is blocking us transfer of iron dome missile defense system to ukraine (has to be approved by both countries) because they don’t want to antagonize russia.
one of closest us allies…least aligned with americans on a core national security issue.
system is jointly developed by us and israel, so israel has every right to block.
but it’s a fully defensive system. feels like a bigger story than germany blocking estonia sending german-made weapons to ukraine.
This thread contains very little about politics and even less on betting.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
There are not enough political betting markets about where there are new developments happening. 95% of all political bets are placed with final week of an election campaign.
Perhaps you could start political-wordle.com were the puzzle's answer is connected to a politican, party or political philosophy?
Ok then, I've got one for you five letters. Let's see how you do.
Macrn? Plosi? Rishi?
MACRN is not valid PLOSI is not valid RISHI = X✓XXX
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There were 697 possible words for ⬜⬜⬜🟨⬜ which was the worst case.
A hard day's graft is no longer a source of self-respect
Linda Murdoch"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/02/15/how-we-fell-out-of-love-with-work/
https://www.pvfitcalculator.energysavingtrust.org.uk/
If you live somewhere exotic I think you can move the satellite view.
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Happy with that.
Christ, hope they're not blown off my house tonight :E
Work as some kind of fulfilling vocation is really quite unusual, and even for many of the people for whom this is a reality it's still very hard. For most of us paid employment is no more than a necessary evil. We'd much rather be doing something we enjoy, of course.
Its a mundane issue for reasonably paid journos, but out there in the country I think its a huge issue.
Kamila Valieva's anti-doping sample showed traces of three drugs that can be used to treat heart conditions, according to a New York Times report.
The 15-year-old Russian figure skater is being allowed to compete at Beijing 2022 despite testing positive for banned angina drug trimetazidine.The report said it also showed hyproxen and L-Carnitine, which are not banned...
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) said on Tuesday that Valieva has argued her positive drugs test was due to contamination with her grandad's medicine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-olympics/60399339
It's been noted before how it seems incredibly common that people with serious heart conditions or asthma are also world class athletes, but such athletes often also seem to have very poor memories (I missed the test by accident) or very careless (mixed up my medicine/didn't read the label).
"I will sorely miss this great Lord’s tradition
The Eton-Harrow match has been swept away by a tide of change that can at times seem irrational
Henry Blofeld" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/02/16/will-sorely-miss-great-lords-tradition/
That's a pair of quips, not a pun.
I suspect I'm a duct taper, although I don't create the things that need taping.
Mrs F likes to do the same thing off job as on job, but with less time in front of a computer afterwards.
I don't think it is that unusual to end up doing something that you would enjoy if it wasn't for it being a paid job.
The trick for employers is to create this fake family feeling. One of my international megacorps made this fairly explicit. As I used to jokingly remind colleagues, this is a great place to work right up until they decide they don't need you any more.
But yes, most jobs, including the good ones, have to pay people to turn up for work. Some are inherently unpleasant, and most jobs have bad parts. Some bosses do seem to go out of their way to piss off the shop floor though.
It's helps to know semi-rude words that jump the American prissiness hurdle.
I admit I find a pattern matcher useful.
That's not a pun either.
https://www.litscape.com/word_tools/pattern_match.php
Nick Clegg promoted at Meta (Facebook). Will now be president of global affairs, was previously vice-president.
This puts him at the very top table with Zuckerberg and Sandberg, demonstrates how central a figure he's become.
https://twitter.com/joshglancy/status/1493995888313876482
That is what happened after May delayed Brexit in Spring 2019 with May's Tories polling just 22% with Opinium on 14th-16th May 2019 with the Brexit Party overtaking them on 24%
https://www.opinium.com/resource-center/political-polling-14th-may-2019/
The Grand Old Duke of York
He paid 12 million quid,
To someone whom he’d never met
And for something he never did.
Mind you we have just be warned that for Friday we will be in a red warning area
Cameron despite winning a majority in 2015. forced out as PM a year later after losing the EU referendum, no longer able to work for Greensill and doing the school run while Samantha goes out to work and occasionally writing in his shed
And you left off 'Knighthood'.
Now the feed in tariff is a bonus, as it was correctly cut off at the knees when the technology plummeted in price.
100 MWh is something like £20k of electricity, up from say £5k a year ago. But it will come back down in due course but continue elevating back over time.
TBH at that sort of level, get a consultant for a short study or go and talk to some people in a similar position.
Also consider a ground based system.
In general, long term "seasonal" storage of heat is a red herring. Think day to day.
Most people nowadays aren't that lucky, of course.
If I won a substantial sum of money I’d carry on the research by funding others. Life is too short not to enjoy doing the things a lot of money would allow...
And see if it is big enough to set up a contract to supply (?). Q for the consultant.
At least UK employers have not yet reached the American levels of lunacy were asking for an afternoon off is a career limiting move.
Have I wandered by mistake onto Solarwordle.com?
For one thing, they're no doubt used to having someone shovel out their stalls on a regular basis!
I think this idea that you can be productive every day from 9 - 5 (or longer) is the worst thing about work in general, but unfortunately most jobs don't give you the luxury of deciding that your highest ambition for the day is posting nonsense on the internet.
I do wonder if we will eventually have to have UBI, and how many people will then lose all motivation to do anything much. I suspect that it would be quite a low percentage.
Meanwhile it is Dave (who?) Sitting in his caravan in the garden bored.
PLOSI is not valid
RISHI = X✓XXX
Solved.
one of closest us allies…least aligned with americans on a core national security issue.
system is jointly developed by us and israel, so israel has every right to block.
but it’s a fully defensive system. feels like a bigger story than germany blocking estonia sending german-made weapons to ukraine.
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1493978954075623429