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Starmer records “Best PM” rating high with Savanta Comres – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,161
edited March 2022 in General
imageStarmer records “Best PM” rating high with Savanta Comres – politicalbetting.com

The Indy is reporting that Starmer now has his highest “Best PM” yet in its latest poll for the online newspaper. This follows, of course, the attempts by Johnson to link him with Jimmy Saville.

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  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    first as Labour will be at the next election
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
  • eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    To be fair Boris has developed remarkable experience of party politics.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    edited February 2022
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    That's the bedrock of conservative support, Eek. You would probaby have to go back to Corbyn days to find the Labour equivalent.

    The polls have been incredibly stable since the Blues hit a nadir of 27% on Jan 13th. Since then they have only rarely been outside 32/34%. Likewise the Traffic Light Alliance of Red/Yellow/Green hugs close to the 55% mark.

    Personally I don't see this pattern changing for a while, although I should add that this view is stated with about the same level of confidence and credibilty you might normally associate with, say, a Met Office Weather Forecast.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    For any London based fans of classical piano, this looks to be an excellent series of concerts.
    https://twitter.com/wigmore_hall/status/1483488103453102081

    One of the greatest living pianists.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643
    Makes sense. Starmer would make a better PM than Boris. So would I. So would an empty chair.

    The challenge for Starmer is there is clearly a significant contingent of Tory voters who do not care. They enjoy politics being sent up by Boris and -for now - don't worry about the world burning as a result.
  • Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    edited February 2022
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    I am as fed up with him as anyone else.
    And SKS is a massive improvement on his predecessor.
    And yet SKS has been consistently wrong on lockdown. Boris has been largely wrong, but SKS has never missed an opportunity to be wronger. That was the big issue of the last two years and it hasn't gone away yet.
    SKS is no stranger to the odd bit of culture war posturing either.
    So while the negatives for Boris are piling up and up, it's very difficult to leap enthusiastically onto the bandwagon of his chief opponent. For some that will result in going for don't know, but for others, antipathy to SKS will be default result in sticking with Boris as the answer to this question.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    FTP:

    O/t but this has just popped up in my inbox. Leon might be interested. Whether it'll make any difference to anyone .......

    Thai ministers are set to change Bangkok's name to Krung Thep Maha Nakhon

    Thailand occupied by Klingons?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited February 2022
  • Well I'm 100% in favour, Big G. I don't pay any.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Krung Thep Maha Nakhon was always the official name of Bangkok I thought?
  • Well I'm 100% in favour, Big G. I don't pay any.
    To be fair neither do I but I did throughout my working life
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    I have had solar panels for 7 years and they have been a fantastic investment though the feed in tariffs are less today as I understand
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    I have had solar panels for 7 years and they have been a fantastic investment though the feed in tariffs are less today as I understand
    No feed it at all now is there (for new panels)?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Yes. I often wonder if this "hard sell" puts off more than it entices. I wouldn't buy anything under a tirade of non-stop bollocks. Even if I wanted it.
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    I have had solar panels for 7 years and they have been a fantastic investment though the feed in tariffs are less today as I understand
    No feed it at all now is there (for new panels)?
    No FIT, but any kWh you don't use has to be accepted by your electricity provider at a much lower fee than you'd pay.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited February 2022
    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Recommend that you look at local companies that are long established, and can point you at 3 or 4 recent installations similar to what you propose to make sure they are active.

    Also look at "in roof" systems, which put your solar panels embedded into your tiles, protected usually by a pond-liner type membrane, which means you can save several thousands on the extra tiles, and installing them.

    One point is if you do go "in roof", you need to do the slates above the panels before you do the panels themselves (but do the mounts first) - otherwise you risk damage to the panels.

    Thread about this here. Piccie below from the thread (c) Jeremy Harris.
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/11293-in-roof-pv/

    eg

  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    edited February 2022
    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Some turbines may well be locked down because it is too windy!

    There was an incident in Wales the other day:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60390094

    I suspect it was weakened in an earlier storm but this really should not happen.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Or not:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60390094
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    I have had solar panels for 7 years and they have been a fantastic investment though the feed in tariffs are less today as I understand
    No feed it at all now is there (for new panels)?
    I would still install them but the feed in tariff is a bonus
  • Prince Andrew adamant that he will attend father’s memorial service

    The Duke of York is still determined to attend a memorial service for his father, the Duke of Edinburgh, next month.

    There are likely to be concerns that Andrew’s presence will overshadow the service after he agreed to settle the civil sex assault claim against him for a sum said to exceed £10 million.

    A service of thanksgiving for the life of his father will take place on March 29 at Westminster Abbey. The full details have not yet been announced, but the media will be given the opportunity to cover the event.

    The duke is said to have faced pressure from his relatives to bring the case to an end after it threatened to overshadow the Queen’s jubilee celebrations. Prince Charles had been a key voice on the issue, a source indicated.

    But Andrew regards the service in March as a family gathering to remember his father and still wants to attend, The Times understands. It is likely to be his first public appearance since the settlement of the case. It remains to be seen whether other royal family members or palace aides will intervene over his wish to attend.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-adamant-that-he-will-attend-fathers-memorial-service-zjrl2g6t2

    Actually I have a lot of sympathy with Prince Andrew over this.

    Her Majesty should let him attend.
  • On topic, I told you all not to misunderestimate Sir Keir Starmer, he's a lawyer after all.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    It's the "we think this tax is crap" versus "we mustn't be seen to profane the NHS God" dilemma.

    If you offered the same set of respondents a choice between funding the NHS with an NI increase versus funding the NHS with a 90% super tax on bank profits (and individual bankers' bonuses) then you wouldn't get many votes in favour of the NI increase.

    Always the problem with these kinds of questions. Very crude.
  • I can't help thinking that the 1.25% increase in NI across the board (capped at a high salary), and also the increase in employer payment would be equivalent to a much larger percentage increase in the BR of Income tax, 2 or 3%?
  • Jonathan said:

    Makes sense. Starmer would make a better PM than Boris. So would I. So would an empty chair.

    The challenge for Starmer is there is clearly a significant contingent of Tory voters who do not care. They enjoy politics being sent up by Boris and -for now - don't worry about the world burning as a result.

    ...or a tub of lard...

    "...carpe lardem..."
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    edited February 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Yes. I often wonder if this "hard sell" puts off more than it entices. I wouldn't buy anything under a tirade of non-stop bollocks. Even if I wanted it.
    It certainly put me off, and I live in quite a sunny place (although the roof is not at an ideal angle). It was definitely oversold.

    I might be tempted to install some panels myself now although obviously I wouldn't be allowed to touch the switching equipment.

    Panels have got more efficient since the height of the gold rush, so in theory it should still pay.
  • Sleazy Swedes.

    Ericsson may have made payments to the Isis terror organisation to gain access to transport routes in Iraq, the telecoms group has revealed.

    Shares in the Stockholm-based telecoms equipment maker company fell as much 9 per cent in Sweden today after it disclosed details of an internal corruption investigation in the country.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ericsson-may-have-paid-bribes-to-isis-pz8qcq652
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    I have had solar panels for 7 years and they have been a fantastic investment though the feed in tariffs are less today as I understand
    No feed it at all now is there (for new panels)?
    I would still install them but the feed in tariff is a bonus
    Seems now there is the Smart Export Guarantee. I have learnt something new this afternoon.

    https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/advice/smart-export-guarantee/
  • I can't help thinking that the 1.25% increase in NI across the board (capped at a high salary), and also the increase in employer payment would be equivalent to a much larger percentage increase in the BR of Income tax, 2 or 3%?
    It raises 36 billion over three years which is a huge sum to the NHS and care
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited February 2022

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Some turbines may well be locked down because it is too windy!

    There was an incident in Wales the other day:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60390094

    I suspect it was weakened in an earlier storm but this really should not happen.
    It's been running at around 40-50% wind today, which is around 10-15% up on normal.

    We don't currently have the installed capacity to reach 80% aiui.

    Normal demand is around 35 GW elec at the moment - winter, and total installed wind capacity is more like 25 GW.


  • Cookie said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    I am as fed up with him as anyone else.
    And SKS is a massive improvement on his predecessor.
    And yet SKS has been consistently wrong on lockdown. Boris has been largely wrong, but SKS has never missed an opportunity to be wronger. That was the big issue of the last two years and it hasn't gone away yet.
    SKS is no stranger to the odd bit of culture war posturing either.
    So while the negatives for Boris are piling up and up, it's very difficult to leap enthusiastically onto the bandwagon of his chief opponent. For some that will result in going for don't know, but for others, antipathy to SKS will be default result in sticking with Boris as the answer to this question.
    Bring back Tony Blair....

    :smiley:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    The floor of Tory support. Or near enough.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Prince Andrew adamant that he will attend father’s memorial service

    The Duke of York is still determined to attend a memorial service for his father, the Duke of Edinburgh, next month.

    There are likely to be concerns that Andrew’s presence will overshadow the service after he agreed to settle the civil sex assault claim against him for a sum said to exceed £10 million.

    A service of thanksgiving for the life of his father will take place on March 29 at Westminster Abbey. The full details have not yet been announced, but the media will be given the opportunity to cover the event.

    The duke is said to have faced pressure from his relatives to bring the case to an end after it threatened to overshadow the Queen’s jubilee celebrations. Prince Charles had been a key voice on the issue, a source indicated.

    But Andrew regards the service in March as a family gathering to remember his father and still wants to attend, The Times understands. It is likely to be his first public appearance since the settlement of the case. It remains to be seen whether other royal family members or palace aides will intervene over his wish to attend.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-adamant-that-he-will-attend-fathers-memorial-service-zjrl2g6t2

    Actually I have a lot of sympathy with Prince Andrew over this.

    Her Majesty should let him attend.

    I agree. I would hope they'd let the actually convicted attend such things on compassionate grounds (albeit the nature of the family makes it more public than merely private), let along those who are unconvicted (albeit almost certainly wrong 'uns).
  • I can't help thinking that the 1.25% increase in NI across the board (capped at a high salary), and also the increase in employer payment would be equivalent to a much larger percentage increase in the BR of Income tax, 2 or 3%?
    It raises 36 billion over three years which is a huge sum to the NHS and care
    Agreed, but it is hardly progressive like income tax.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    I have had solar panels for 7 years and they have been a fantastic investment though the feed in tariffs are less today as I understand
    No feed it at all now is there (for new panels)?
    I would still install them but the feed in tariff is a bonus
    Seems now there is the Smart Export Guarantee. I have learnt something new this afternoon.

    https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/advice/smart-export-guarantee/
    There are also certain tariffs that pay you more depending on circs. IIRC there may even be a Tesla Tariff.
  • kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    The floor of Tory support. Or near enough.
    Yah, what 2010, and 2019 have shown is that no matter how bad things get around 30% of the electorate will vote for Labour, same level as the Tories showed in 1997.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Recommend that you look at local companies that are long established, and can point you at 3 or 4 recent installations similar to what you propose to make sure they are active.

    Also look at "in roof" systems, which put your solar panels embedded into your tiles, protected usually by a pond-liner type membrane, which means you can save several thousands on the extra tiles, and installing them.

    One point is if you do go "in roof", you need to do the slates above the panels before you do the panels themselves (but do the mounts first) - otherwise you risk damage to the panels.

    Thread about this here. Piccie below from the thread (c) Jeremy Harris.
    https://forum.buildhub.org.uk/topic/11293-in-roof-pv/

    eg

    Love it! Thanks.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    A triumph of expectations management, with some help from his predecessors.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    It's probably broadly representative of the Conservative floor. The Conservatives won a 30.7% share of the popular vote in 1997. They've never performed worse at a GE in their entire history.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
    Get up and get yourself down the hospital for a check over, just to be sure :)
  • I can't help thinking that the 1.25% increase in NI across the board (capped at a high salary), and also the increase in employer payment would be equivalent to a much larger percentage increase in the BR of Income tax, 2 or 3%?
    It raises 36 billion over three years which is a huge sum to the NHS and care
    Agreed, but it is hardly progressive like income tax.
    I really believe tax needs to be looked at and in particular tax on income as that cannot go higher and other taxes need to be considered including a wealth tax of some kind
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    Unfortunately you need to build the gas-fired plant anyway to run when the wind isn't blowing. And you have to pay the operators a capacity payment to sit there not doing anything when it is windy.

    Build the gas-fired plant with carbon capture and you get decarbonised power whenever you need it.

    The more intermittent renewables we install, the greater the cost of providing decarbonised power.

    Laters...
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    The floor of Tory support. Or near enough.
    Yah, what 2010, and 2019 have shown is that no matter how bad things get around 30% of the electorate will vote for Labour, same level as the Tories showed in 1997.
    Labour's floor is a bit lower (Brown in 2010 and Foot in 1983 both polled in the high 20s) but the general point stands.
  • pigeon said:

    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    The floor of Tory support. Or near enough.
    Yah, what 2010, and 2019 have shown is that no matter how bad things get around 30% of the electorate will vote for Labour, same level as the Tories showed in 1997.
    Labour's floor is a bit lower (Brown in 2010 and Foot in 1983 both polled in the high 20s) but the general point stands.
    Yes, and the Libdem floor is obviously less, at 9 or 10%.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
    Really bad timing for there to be a gale - roofers had already told me before the forecast my roof could collapse at any moment and needed to get up there to replace it soon as possible.
  • “Joyous & civic”:

    Sarah Smith, the former BBC Scotland editor, has told how she was relieved to walk away from the “bile, hatred and misogyny” of Scottish politics.

    Smith, who was appointed BBC North America editor in November, fears the abuse she received since she rejoined the corporation as Scotland editor in 2014 has damaged the broadcaster’s reputation for impartiality.

    The journalist said she was “demonised quite heavily . . . amongst certain parts of the population” who claimed they did not watch the BBC or pay their licence fee “but seem to know an enormous amount about what I say and do on television and on the radio nonetheless”.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-reporter-sarah-smith-says-gun-toting-america-is-a-less-stressful-to-work-in-than-scotland-sp2q23w5d
  • IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
    Get up and get yourself down the hospital for a check over, just to be sure :)
    You can jest but it is receiving criticism that it collapsed so comprehensively and locals worry it could have killed someone
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    dixiedean said:

    Krung Thep Maha Nakhon was always the official name of Bangkok I thought?

    No, it’s a lot longer than that.
  • Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    Unfortunately you need to build the gas-fired plant anyway to run when the wind isn't blowing. And you have to pay the operators a capacity payment to sit there not doing anything when it is windy.

    Build the gas-fired plant with carbon capture and you get decarbonised power whenever you need it.

    The more intermittent renewables we install, the greater the cost of providing decarbonised power.

    Laters...
    We have Biomass burning plants which could be altered to burn coal (if necessary, rarely, when needed), so they can double job.

  • kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
    Really bad timing for there to be a gale - roofers had already told me before the forecast my roof could collapse at any moment and needed to get up there to replace it soon as possible.
    Keep safe
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    Unfortunately you need to build the gas-fired plant anyway to run when the wind isn't blowing. And you have to pay the operators a capacity payment to sit there not doing anything when it is windy.

    Build the gas-fired plant with carbon capture and you get decarbonised power whenever you need it.

    The more intermittent renewables we install, the greater the cost of providing decarbonised power.

    Laters...
    Capital costs for CCGTs (and even more so for OCGTs) are simply not that high. Maintenance and other operating expenses are also really low.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    dixiedean said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    Unfortunately you need to build the gas-fired plant anyway to run when the wind isn't blowing. And you have to pay the operators a capacity payment to sit there not doing anything when it is windy.

    Build the gas-fired plant with carbon capture and you get decarbonised power whenever you need it.

    The more intermittent renewables we install, the greater the cost of providing decarbonised power.

    Laters...
    If only there were something as predictable and prevalent as the tides...
    If @MarqueeMark is here he might like you as well as me
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
    Get up and get yourself down the hospital for a check over, just to be sure :)
    Hmmm. Ten years old and one turbine out of 8700 onshore turbines in the country.

    Acceptable?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
    Get up and get yourself down the hospital for a check over, just to be sure :)
    You can jest but it is receiving criticism that it collapsed so comprehensively and locals worry it could have killed someone
    At least it wasn't as tall as Emley Moor mast!
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-47623847

    That was caused by icing, which I don't think can have been a factor here.
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
    Get up and get yourself down the hospital for a check over, just to be sure :)
    Hmmm. Ten years old and one turbine out of 8700 onshore turbines in the country.

    Acceptable?
    No, not really. OK, it isn't a bridge, but engineered structures should not be expected to topple, particularly in perfectly normal conditions.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    rcs1000 said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    Unfortunately you need to build the gas-fired plant anyway to run when the wind isn't blowing. And you have to pay the operators a capacity payment to sit there not doing anything when it is windy.

    Build the gas-fired plant with carbon capture and you get decarbonised power whenever you need it.

    The more intermittent renewables we install, the greater the cost of providing decarbonised power.

    Laters...
    Capital costs for CCGTs (and even more so for OCGTs) are simply not that high. Maintenance and other operating expenses are also really low.

    Except they cannot get staff for CCGTs. All the youngsters are training on turbines and solar, and not going into that side of the industry, which is seen as 'bad'.

    Salaries have gone through the roof for good CCGT engineers. It's a great business to be in atm.
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    That's marvellous, and also much more than you would ever have got at the bank.
  • pigeon said:

    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    The floor of Tory support. Or near enough.
    Yah, what 2010, and 2019 have shown is that no matter how bad things get around 30% of the electorate will vote for Labour, same level as the Tories showed in 1997.
    Labour's floor is a bit lower (Brown in 2010 and Foot in 1983 both polled in the high 20s) but the general point stands.
    Even floors can be lowered if you gring away hard enough on them.

    Good to see Johnson doing for the Conservatives what Foot and Brown did for Labour.
  • NEW: British troops and tanks have began leaving Sennelager in Germany and bases in the UK and are now on their way to Estonia to reinforce Nato allies

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1493994498799583234
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    edited February 2022

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get the FIT till 2034.

    With the leccy saving perhaps worth about 20 grand or so in today's money ?
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
  • Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get them till 2034.
    a nice windfall there.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Josh Glancy@joshglancyNick Clegg promoted at Meta (Facebook). Will now be president of global affairs, was previously vice-president.

    This puts him at the very top table with Zuckerberg and Sandberg, demonstrates how central a figure he's become.
  • IanB2 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wind @ 35.0% of generation.

    On a day like today we should be at ~ 80+% of generation tbh.

    Seems one has fallen over here in Wales in just 50mph wind
    Get up and get yourself down the hospital for a check over, just to be sure :)
    You can jest but it is receiving criticism that it collapsed so comprehensively and locals worry it could have killed someone
    Yes, it certainly shouldn't have happened, but a Chernobyl or Aberfan it ain't.
  • I welcome this apology. The discredited Good Law Project's increasingly vexatious legal actions are a waste of court time.

    https://twitter.com/MattHancock/status/1494002555147456522
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    Wordle Today:

    Wordle 242 3/6

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    edited February 2022
    MattW said:

    Wordle Today:

    Wordle 242 3/6

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    Good effort. I had two choices and got the wrong one...

    Wordle 242 4/6

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  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get the FIT till 2034.

    With the leccy saving perhaps worth about 20 grand or so in today's money ?
    What's the orientation of your house? Mine is east/west facing so I may be limited by that.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get the FIT till 2034.

    With the leccy saving perhaps worth about 20 grand or so in today's money ?
    Very similar return to mine
  • Probably get me a block but I think what Jolyon is saying here when he quotes from my @HolyroodDaily interview which he ‘forgets’ to cite as his source is that he knows better than the chair of the EHRC what she actually thinks

    https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1493999145329336324
  • Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
    No - the feed in tariffs and energy savings return approx £750 pa so in 7 years £5,250 return

    Also the tariff rises each year
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Probably get me a block but I think what Jolyon is saying here when he quotes from my @HolyroodDaily interview which he ‘forgets’ to cite as his source is that he knows better than the chair of the EHRC what she actually thinks

    https://twitter.com/holyroodmandy/status/1493999145329336324

    Very common attitude. Problem being sometimes people are concealing their true thoughts on matters with careful or misleading language, but others then use that as carte blanche to claim their opponents mean whatever they want, no matter how clear they were being.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get the FIT till 2034.

    With the leccy saving perhaps worth about 20 grand or so in today's money ?
    What's the orientation of your house? Mine is east/west facing so I may be limited by that.
    Very slight tilt westward tilt on the almost due south facing roof.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get the FIT till 2034.

    With the leccy saving perhaps worth about 20 grand or so in today's money ?
    Both pretty decent returns. Problems have happened with ‘rent a roof’ deals and solar scams which are prevalent today and were virulent during Cameron’s flawed Green Deal which was a scammers paradise.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get the FIT till 2034.

    With the leccy saving perhaps worth about 20 grand or so in today's money ?
    What's the orientation of your house? Mine is east/west facing so I may be limited by that.
    Very slight tilt westward tilt on the almost due south facing roof.
    I have solar thermal on a south east facing roof, that doesn't have enough room for solar PV
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Couldn't quite manage today's quordle, but got Nerdle in 3 and French wordle in 5.
  • Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    @bigjohnowls please explain
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    pigeon said:

    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨NEW Feb Political Tracker - Best PM rating

    📈Starmer's highest ever Best PM score

    🌳Johnson 31% (+3)
    🌹Starmer 39% (+3)
    ◻️ Don't know 30% (-5)

    2,226 UK adults, 11-13 Feb

    (Changes from 14-16 Jan) https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1493936921604771842/photo/1

    How does 31% of people believe Bozo the party clown is the best possible option to be PM?
    The floor of Tory support. Or near enough.
    Yah, what 2010, and 2019 have shown is that no matter how bad things get around 30% of the electorate will vote for Labour, same level as the Tories showed in 1997.
    Labour's floor is a bit lower (Brown in 2010 and Foot in 1983 both polled in the high 20s) but the general point stands.
    Even floors can be lowered if you gring away hard enough on them.

    Good to see Johnson doing for the Conservatives what Foot and Brown did for Labour.
    I fear anybody hoping for a total Tory collapse is in for a bitter disappointment. I think we can forget about some of the outlying polling numbers from peak Partygate: even that 30.7% for John Major in 1997 has to be seen in the context of a population where the median age was three or four years younger than it is now.

    I'd be surprised if the Conservatives get less than a third of the vote next time, even if Johnson is still PM at the election. Looking at the bigger picture, if the Tories do that badly then Labour is in with a shout of an outright win; if they do only 1-2% better then we're probably looking at a hung Parliament, unless Labour can make inroads against the SNP.
  • NEW: British troops and tanks have began leaving Sennelager in Germany and bases in the UK and are now on their way to Estonia to reinforce Nato allies

    https://twitter.com/larisamlbrown/status/1493994498799583234

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_campaign_in_the_Baltic_(1918–1919)
  • Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get the FIT till 2034.

    With the leccy saving perhaps worth about 20 grand or so in today's money ?
    What's the orientation of your house? Mine is east/west facing so I may be limited by that.
    In my case I have an array of 8 facing south and 3 facing west
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Do you have battery storage to achieve those values?
    May not need it.

    Looks like a 4 kWP install, on a South facing orientation. And it will be at a FIT rate of around 18p per kWh generated from April if on the higher (due to better EPC number) rate, plus payment for electricity exports. Plus also the free use of any generated electricity used in house, and the value that takes off the bill.

    I put 11.5k into a 10kWP install in 2016, and I get around 13p. My panels are on East/West and are somewhat shaded, so I get around £550 a year for the FIT and the export, about 2000 kWh of free elec which now reduces my elec bill by 2000 * £.22 = £440 or so, which will increase soon.

    And when I get my veranda I will put half my panels on it facing south.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    Pulpstar said:

    Couldn't quite manage today's quordle, but got Nerdle in 3 and French wordle in 5.

    I took six to get lewdle today. I reckon @TheScreamingEagles would clean up on that one.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Work out the payback period on your investment. My rule of thumb would be: Over 10 years, forget it. 5 -10, maybe. Under 5 then go for it.

    Companies typically tend to say "forget it" on energy saving projects with a payback of greater than 2-3 years. This is slowly changing as they try to green-up.
    I think payback on it's own is a little short sighted. In these days of virtually o% interest on an investment, it might be worth sinking £10000 into Solar panels. The payback would be so much more than any bank interest. It would reduce energy costs as well, (good for pensioners), and after a few years your house would have the extra value in it.
    I invested £6,000 7 years ago and they return approx £750 pa which is far above any pension return I could achieve and they have not needed any maintenance
    Heh, the previous seller had them on the house - surveyor said they didn't add any value...

    Nevertheless the returns are

    18/19 £722.86
    19/20 £711.92
    20/21 £732.52

    I think I get the FIT till 2034.

    With the leccy saving perhaps worth about 20 grand or so in today's money ?
    What's the orientation of your house? Mine is east/west facing so I may be limited by that.
    In my case I have an array of 8 facing south and 3 facing west
    As a contrast I have 27 facing East, and 8 facing West.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited February 2022

    MattW said:

    Wordle Today:

    Wordle 242 3/6

    🟨⬜⬜⬜🟨
    ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Good effort. I had two choices and got the wrong one...

    Wordle 242 4/6

    ⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜
    ⬜⬜🟩🟩⬜
    ⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    (SPOILER ALERT)















    I start with ADIEU, which is great but makes word 2 a little difficult sometimes to get an O and a Y in it.

    PORNY did it, though.

    Off to try LEWDLE.

  • dixiedean said:

    Krung Thep Maha Nakhon was always the official name of Bangkok I thought?

    No, it’s a lot longer than that.
    wiki: "Bangkok,[a] officially known in Thai as Krung Thep Maha Nakhon[b] and colloquially as Krung Thep . . ."

    "Maha Nakhon" = "Big City"

    So is this similar to, say, Greater London?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Yes. I often wonder if this "hard sell" puts off more than it entices. I wouldn't buy anything under a tirade of non-stop bollocks. Even if I wanted it.
    I once took a party of 8 people I was hosting out of a restaurant because the waiter when asked his opinion consistently recommended the most expensive of the options, including a ludicrously priced bottle of wine. I refuse to spend my money in establishments whose only objective is to fleece their customers.
  • Believe next peerage created should be - Lord Wordle of Woke
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    Believe next peerage created should be - Lord Wordle of Woke

    Lots of people on social media claiming todays wordle is not a word 😂
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Wordle Today:

    Wordle 242 3/6

    🟨⬜⬜⬜🟨
    ⬜⬜⬜⬜⬜
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

    Good effort. I had two choices and got the wrong one...

    Wordle 242 4/6

    ⬜⬜🟨⬜⬜
    ⬜⬜🟩🟩⬜
    ⬜🟩🟩🟩🟩
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
    (SPOILER ALERT)

    I start with ADIEU, which is great but makes word 2 a little difficult sometimes to get an O and a Y in it.

    PORNY did it, though.

    Off to try LEWDLE.

    4 for me today. I started with Teary
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    TimT said:

    dixiedean said:

    Cookie said:

    Simon Evans
    @DrSimEvans

    Pssst!

    Solar is now 88% cheaper than thought a decade ago, UK govt says – half its estimated cost of new gas power

    Just running a gas plant in Feb 2022 is costing around FOUR times as much as we'd pay for new solar or wind


    https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1493906926907924481

    I'm replacing my roof this year - worth putting solar panels on when I do so? I'd like to - but whenever I investigate I get salesman who seem to have a lot in common with the double glazing salesmen of the 1980s trying to talk to me, which instinctively makes me wary.
    Yes. I often wonder if this "hard sell" puts off more than it entices. I wouldn't buy anything under a tirade of non-stop bollocks. Even if I wanted it.
    I once took a party of 8 people I was hosting out of a restaurant because the waiter when asked his opinion consistently recommended the most expensive of the options, including a ludicrously priced bottle of wine. I refuse to spend my money in establishments whose only objective is to fleece their customers.
    Usually they recommend whatever isn’t shifting.
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