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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986
    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Heathener said:

    Boris is toast.

    But rather like one of those hotel toasters, he keeps going round again and again.

    All getting darker each time he does.

    Johnson looks to be anything but toast to me.

    His scorched earth gamble was looking like an error late last week, but after yesterday he can see that Starmer's name is now inextricably linked to Savile's, hence his and Philp's doubling down today.

    Johnson is very confident he's comprehensively won this. He survives and the Starmer brand well and truly trashed.
    Just bear in mind, everyone, that MexicanPete is the person who thought Johnson's slur about Jimmy Savile was ...

    "funny"

    And MexicanPete then continued to repeat this for the following 48 hours.
    When did I say it was "funny"?

    I said on Monday week it was an effective line by Johnson. I later though it was an error Johnson is doubling down on this today by not apologising after events yesterday because he can see that on every news report, every demand for an apology is met with Starmer and Savile in the same sentence. Chris Philp must have repeated Starmer and Savile in the same sentence a dozen times on R4 Today.

    Whatever the cynicism of Johnson's initial statement he now understands this is working for him. If you can't see this is hurting Starmer more than Johnson you are deluded.
    I think you're very wrong if you think this is harming Starmer more than Johnson. Quite the reverse. This has done Starmer a favour. Once the 'honest broker' resigned in disgust there could only be one winner. The public had no idea who did or said what until the resignation followed by days of hand wringing from the BBC.

    After that it was a done deal. I'd go further and say it added to the notion that Starmer is a straight dealer and that Johnson isn't. It's always the case that publicity benefits the market leader and Johnson is always going to be the market leader in telling lies
    THIS suggests that - for surely the first ever time in PB history - you are completely wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/08/they-all-blame-each-other-little-sympathy-for-starmer-after-savile-slur?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Anecdata. Might be representative, might not be.
    I thought the headline wasn’t really supported by the evidence in the story.

    My Dad pointed out one of the problems with fox popping to me years ago because something happened that wound him up. It was something slightly controversial about football club, a local media went out one weekday morning vox popping, and put together really negative headline and story based on what they found. But they didn’t actually talk to any fans who go to the games, just a load of old ladies doing shopping, “business owners” shop keepers, taxi driver etc, etc. My Dad said vox popping doesn’t always sample representatively enough because people, like the football fans in that particular instance, are in work.

    So when papers do a story like the one linked, or Sky spend a day on a constituency, or BBC go to the place where next weeks election is held, you can see with your own eyes how flawed and waste of time it is, because they rarely get to the cross section of people in work, it’s so often laughably imbalanced.

    Tell me I’m wrong. PBs good at doing that 🙂
    More than that, most surveys are deeply flawed in their sampling.

    Trust reputable pollsters, ONS surveys* and other long-running surveys run by universities and (some) scientific papers. That's about it.

    *these come with a very detailed account of the sampling, the strategy and how to correct for the limitations
    Thanks. 👍🏻

    I’ve got a big question on Libdem polling I couldn’t ask last few weeks when banned, I’ll ask it now.

    are libdems only polling 9’s sometimes because their strengths are in certain regions hard for national polls to recognise? In May elections where Libdems had MPs in recent history, like new super council in South West, can they capture that Super Council even when polling 9’s or 10’s nationally?
    @MoonRabbit How the hell did you manage to get banned? I better watch my step.
    She was rude about Radiohead.

    You better watch your step.
    Who are Radiohead?
    Enjoy Con home...
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986
    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Heathener said:

    Boris is toast.

    But rather like one of those hotel toasters, he keeps going round again and again.

    All getting darker each time he does.

    Johnson looks to be anything but toast to me.

    His scorched earth gamble was looking like an error late last week, but after yesterday he can see that Starmer's name is now inextricably linked to Savile's, hence his and Philp's doubling down today.

    Johnson is very confident he's comprehensively won this. He survives and the Starmer brand well and truly trashed.
    Just bear in mind, everyone, that MexicanPete is the person who thought Johnson's slur about Jimmy Savile was ...

    "funny"

    And MexicanPete then continued to repeat this for the following 48 hours.
    When did I say it was "funny"?

    I said on Monday week it was an effective line by Johnson. I later though it was an error Johnson is doubling down on this today by not apologising after events yesterday because he can see that on every news report, every demand for an apology is met with Starmer and Savile in the same sentence. Chris Philp must have repeated Starmer and Savile in the same sentence a dozen times on R4 Today.

    Whatever the cynicism of Johnson's initial statement he now understands this is working for him. If you can't see this is hurting Starmer more than Johnson you are deluded.
    I think you're very wrong if you think this is harming Starmer more than Johnson. Quite the reverse. This has done Starmer a favour. Once the 'honest broker' resigned in disgust there could only be one winner. The public had no idea who did or said what until the resignation followed by days of hand wringing from the BBC.

    After that it was a done deal. I'd go further and say it added to the notion that Starmer is a straight dealer and that Johnson isn't. It's always the case that publicity benefits the market leader and Johnson is always going to be the market leader in telling lies
    THIS suggests that - for surely the first ever time in PB history - you are completely wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/08/they-all-blame-each-other-little-sympathy-for-starmer-after-savile-slur?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Anecdata. Might be representative, might not be.
    I thought the headline wasn’t really supported by the evidence in the story.

    My Dad pointed out one of the problems with fox popping to me years ago because something happened that wound him up. It was something slightly controversial about football club, a local media went out one weekday morning vox popping, and put together really negative headline and story based on what they found. But they didn’t actually talk to any fans who go to the games, just a load of old ladies doing shopping, “business owners” shop keepers, taxi driver etc, etc. My Dad said vox popping doesn’t always sample representatively enough because people, like the football fans in that particular instance, are in work.

    So when papers do a story like the one linked, or Sky spend a day on a constituency, or BBC go to the place where next weeks election is held, you can see with your own eyes how flawed and waste of time it is, because they rarely get to the cross section of people in work, it’s so often laughably imbalanced.

    Tell me I’m wrong. PBs good at doing that 🙂
    More than that, most surveys are deeply flawed in their sampling.

    Trust reputable pollsters, ONS surveys* and other long-running surveys run by universities and (some) scientific papers. That's about it.

    *these come with a very detailed account of the sampling, the strategy and how to correct for the limitations
    Thanks. 👍🏻

    I’ve got a big question on Libdem polling I couldn’t ask last few weeks when banned, I’ll ask it now.

    are libdems only polling 9’s sometimes because their strengths are in certain regions hard for national polls to recognise? In May elections where Libdems had MPs in recent history, like new super council in South West, can they capture that Super Council even when polling 9’s or 10’s nationally?
    @MoonRabbit How the hell did you manage to get banned? I better watch my step.
    She was rude about Radiohead.

    You better watch your step.
    Who are Radiohead?
    Enjoy Con home...
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986
    edited February 2022
    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Heathener said:

    Boris is toast.

    But rather like one of those hotel toasters, he keeps going round again and again.

    All getting darker each time he does.

    Johnson looks to be anything but toast to me.

    His scorched earth gamble was looking like an error late last week, but after yesterday he can see that Starmer's name is now inextricably linked to Savile's, hence his and Philp's doubling down today.

    Johnson is very confident he's comprehensively won this. He survives and the Starmer brand well and truly trashed.
    Just bear in mind, everyone, that MexicanPete is the person who thought Johnson's slur about Jimmy Savile was ...

    "funny"

    And MexicanPete then continued to repeat this for the following 48 hours.
    When did I say it was "funny"?

    I said on Monday week it was an effective line by Johnson. I later though it was an error Johnson is doubling down on this today by not apologising after events yesterday because he can see that on every news report, every demand for an apology is met with Starmer and Savile in the same sentence. Chris Philp must have repeated Starmer and Savile in the same sentence a dozen times on R4 Today.

    Whatever the cynicism of Johnson's initial statement he now understands this is working for him. If you can't see this is hurting Starmer more than Johnson you are deluded.
    I think you're very wrong if you think this is harming Starmer more than Johnson. Quite the reverse. This has done Starmer a favour. Once the 'honest broker' resigned in disgust there could only be one winner. The public had no idea who did or said what until the resignation followed by days of hand wringing from the BBC.

    After that it was a done deal. I'd go further and say it added to the notion that Starmer is a straight dealer and that Johnson isn't. It's always the case that publicity benefits the market leader and Johnson is always going to be the market leader in telling lies
    THIS suggests that - for surely the first ever time in PB history - you are completely wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/08/they-all-blame-each-other-little-sympathy-for-starmer-after-savile-slur?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Anecdata. Might be representative, might not be.
    I thought the headline wasn’t really supported by the evidence in the story.

    My Dad pointed out one of the problems with fox popping to me years ago because something happened that wound him up. It was something slightly controversial about football club, a local media went out one weekday morning vox popping, and put together really negative headline and story based on what they found. But they didn’t actually talk to any fans who go to the games, just a load of old ladies doing shopping, “business owners” shop keepers, taxi driver etc, etc. My Dad said vox popping doesn’t always sample representatively enough because people, like the football fans in that particular instance, are in work.

    So when papers do a story like the one linked, or Sky spend a day on a constituency, or BBC go to the place where next weeks election is held, you can see with your own eyes how flawed and waste of time it is, because they rarely get to the cross section of people in work, it’s so often laughably imbalanced.

    Tell me I’m wrong. PBs good at doing that 🙂
    More than that, most surveys are deeply flawed in their sampling.

    Trust reputable pollsters, ONS surveys* and other long-running surveys run by universities and (some) scientific papers. That's about it.

    *these come with a very detailed account of the sampling, the strategy and how to correct for the limitations
    Thanks. 👍🏻

    I’ve got a big question on Libdem polling I couldn’t ask last few weeks when banned, I’ll ask it now.

    are libdems only polling 9’s sometimes because their strengths are in certain regions hard for national polls to recognise? In May elections where Libdems had MPs in recent history, like new super council in South West, can they capture that Super Council even when polling 9’s or 10’s nationally?
    @MoonRabbit How the hell did you manage to get banned? I better watch my step.
    She was rude about Radiohead.

    You better watch your step.
    Who are Radiohead?
    Enjoy Con home...

    Apple for multiple posts. Blame the crappy iPad...
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,926

    FPT

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I like Liechtenstein's parliament building


    I like that! Good contender. Modest yet handsome
    The Manx Tynwald is probably the most Covid-safe parliament in the world:


    Do you realise how much you have just screwed up my search facility with that one careless post?!!!! :)

    Now as long as this thread is active I will have to put an extra letter into the search when I go looking to see if I have had any replies to my comments.

    Aaaaaaaarrrrggghhhh!!!!!!!!!
    I shall have to remember to mention Tyneside, Tynemouth etc as frequently as possible in my posts from now on :wink:
    The opportunities for messing Richard up are huge. The Tyndall effect, Tyndall National Institute, Tyndall Centre for Climate Change, Tyndall Funds, etc, etc. Google just goes on and on and on.
    At least some of those (Effect and Climate Change) are named after my Great great great great? Uncle John. I have a collection of his books.
    That is excellent. Wish I had such a claim to fame.
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    A normal GE would feature a massive campaign by Tories about tax bombshells and 'don't let them fuck up the recovery', look at their manifesto spending etc etc.

    In 2024 it will be a cesspit of lies and smears and cultural wars bollx about paedos and conspiracy and cancelling, saving migrants in dinghies, and blocking 'our' Brexit, commies at the BBC etc etc.

    No lie or smear will be too awful for Johnson's team.

    I'm worried that 'it's the economy stupid' led by Reeves will not be anywhere near enough.
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    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Heathener said:

    Boris is toast.

    But rather like one of those hotel toasters, he keeps going round again and again.

    All getting darker each time he does.

    Johnson looks to be anything but toast to me.

    His scorched earth gamble was looking like an error late last week, but after yesterday he can see that Starmer's name is now inextricably linked to Savile's, hence his and Philp's doubling down today.

    Johnson is very confident he's comprehensively won this. He survives and the Starmer brand well and truly trashed.
    Just bear in mind, everyone, that MexicanPete is the person who thought Johnson's slur about Jimmy Savile was ...

    "funny"

    And MexicanPete then continued to repeat this for the following 48 hours.
    When did I say it was "funny"?

    I said on Monday week it was an effective line by Johnson. I later though it was an error Johnson is doubling down on this today by not apologising after events yesterday because he can see that on every news report, every demand for an apology is met with Starmer and Savile in the same sentence. Chris Philp must have repeated Starmer and Savile in the same sentence a dozen times on R4 Today.

    Whatever the cynicism of Johnson's initial statement he now understands this is working for him. If you can't see this is hurting Starmer more than Johnson you are deluded.
    I think you're very wrong if you think this is harming Starmer more than Johnson. Quite the reverse. This has done Starmer a favour. Once the 'honest broker' resigned in disgust there could only be one winner. The public had no idea who did or said what until the resignation followed by days of hand wringing from the BBC.

    After that it was a done deal. I'd go further and say it added to the notion that Starmer is a straight dealer and that Johnson isn't. It's always the case that publicity benefits the market leader and Johnson is always going to be the market leader in telling lies
    THIS suggests that - for surely the first ever time in PB history - you are completely wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/08/they-all-blame-each-other-little-sympathy-for-starmer-after-savile-slur?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Anecdata. Might be representative, might not be.
    I thought the headline wasn’t really supported by the evidence in the story.

    My Dad pointed out one of the problems with fox popping to me years ago because something happened that wound him up. It was something slightly controversial about football club, a local media went out one weekday morning vox popping, and put together really negative headline and story based on what they found. But they didn’t actually talk to any fans who go to the games, just a load of old ladies doing shopping, “business owners” shop keepers, taxi driver etc, etc. My Dad said vox popping doesn’t always sample representatively enough because people, like the football fans in that particular instance, are in work.

    So when papers do a story like the one linked, or Sky spend a day on a constituency, or BBC go to the place where next weeks election is held, you can see with your own eyes how flawed and waste of time it is, because they rarely get to the cross section of people in work, it’s so often laughably imbalanced.

    Tell me I’m wrong. PBs good at doing that 🙂
    More than that, most surveys are deeply flawed in their sampling.

    Trust reputable pollsters, ONS surveys* and other long-running surveys run by universities and (some) scientific papers. That's about it.

    *these come with a very detailed account of the sampling, the strategy and how to correct for the limitations
    Thanks. 👍🏻

    I’ve got a big question on Libdem polling I couldn’t ask last few weeks when banned, I’ll ask it now.

    are libdems only polling 9’s sometimes because their strengths are in certain regions hard for national polls to recognise? In May elections where Libdems had MPs in recent history, like new super council in South West, can they capture that Super Council even when polling 9’s or 10’s nationally?
    @MoonRabbit How the hell did you manage to get banned? I better watch my step.
    She was rude about Radiohead.

    You better watch your step.
    Ok, banned isn't good, but it can't have been that bad. I thought that for serious offences you sent people to ConHome. Or has that form of punishment been blocked by the ECHR?
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,375
    Taz said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Taz said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Ok might be a bit controversial here so bear with it but the whole saga is stupid

    My thoughts:-
    If Johnson really thinks the population is that obsessed with Saville to the extent that dissing Starmer about it will have a big effect he is wrong- Most balanced people do not obsess about Saville.

    That said i am not sure I agree that the PM and the leader of the opposition cannot have a go at each other and must always play gentlemen . So dont really understand the twitter rage it seems to have caused .

    Whilst it is unpleasant and the crowd seemed to be made up of obsessive losers , I dont think Starmer got any worse treatment than say Peter Hitchens did when he walked home in Oxford and was followed by lefty protesters (and he had a lot less police protection) -Peter shrugged it off as part of the "job" .Starmer should.

    The whole episode from start to finish is pathetic frankly

    The people who followed Peter Hitchens menacingly weren't encouraged to do so by the prime minster though, were they?
    These people had already planned to be there and planned their protest prior to Johnson’s rash statement
    Those people had already planned to start a fire, but Boris Johnson handed them a zippo and a can of kerosene*

    *metaphorically speaking.
    Nah, I think this is about right.

    It’s all politics. This was always happening. It’s quite sad. They should glue themselves to the motorway and be done with it.

    M https://thecritic.co.uk/outside-the-westminster-bubble/
    Again, I'm not saying that these nutjobs weren't already barking pedo-gate conspiracy loonies. I'm not saying that they wouldn't have mobbed Starmer (or any other politician) either.

    What I'm saying is that Boris Johnson's comments legitimised their beliefs and threw petrol on the fire.

    It is straight out of the Trump playbook.
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    HeathenerHeathener Posts: 6,613
    kyf_100 said:

    Taz said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Taz said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Ok might be a bit controversial here so bear with it but the whole saga is stupid

    My thoughts:-
    If Johnson really thinks the population is that obsessed with Saville to the extent that dissing Starmer about it will have a big effect he is wrong- Most balanced people do not obsess about Saville.

    That said i am not sure I agree that the PM and the leader of the opposition cannot have a go at each other and must always play gentlemen . So dont really understand the twitter rage it seems to have caused .

    Whilst it is unpleasant and the crowd seemed to be made up of obsessive losers , I dont think Starmer got any worse treatment than say Peter Hitchens did when he walked home in Oxford and was followed by lefty protesters (and he had a lot less police protection) -Peter shrugged it off as part of the "job" .Starmer should.

    The whole episode from start to finish is pathetic frankly

    The people who followed Peter Hitchens menacingly weren't encouraged to do so by the prime minster though, were they?
    These people had already planned to be there and planned their protest prior to Johnson’s rash statement
    Those people had already planned to start a fire, but Boris Johnson handed them a zippo and a can of kerosene*

    *metaphorically speaking.
    Nah, I think this is about right.

    It’s all politics. This was always happening. It’s quite sad. They should glue themselves to the motorway and be done with it.

    M https://thecritic.co.uk/outside-the-westminster-bubble/
    Again, I'm not saying that these nutjobs weren't already barking pedo-gate conspiracy loonies. I'm not saying that they wouldn't have mobbed Starmer (or any other politician) either.

    What I'm saying is that Boris Johnson's comments legitimised their beliefs and threw petrol on the fire.

    It is straight out of the Trump playbook.
    Can anyone seriously disagree with this concise summary of the situation?

    I suggest not.
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    Sandpit said:

    FPT: Laptops. @RochdalePioneers

    Always choose from the laptops that offer Windows Pro as an option, they’re generally the business range, a little more expensive but more stable in configuration for central management and with 3-year hardware warranty. I usually go for Dell XPS range, or Lenovo.

    Left-field option is the Microsoft Surface tablet, which is surprisingly good at the higher specs, if you are mostly in office or home locations with proper screens and keyboards for the big spreadsheets. I use these for senior management, the battery really does last all day and it can also drive a 34” 4k screen.

    Most laptops are not really upgradeable any more, so get at least 16GB RAM and i7 processor.

    As mentioned earlier, definitely W10 over W11.

    Hint: create two user accounts when you set it up yourself, before giving it to corporate IT, and make them both administrators but without names like ‘admin’. You will find these useful once you have a domain account that needs permission to install anything.

    Out of curiosity what is the difference between a "business range" laptop preinstalled with Pro and a consumer range one preinstalled with Home when they are the same hardware?

    I can find quite a few examples on both Dell and Acer stores where the business model is the same hardware - chassis, screen, processor, memory. Admittedly many more of the Dell business machines have the same matt Full HD screens that @Beibheirli_C loves and I hate... :)
    There was a very interesting study done years (decades!!) back where various factors were being looked at for human/computer interaction. An unexpected result was that matt, grey keyboards caused less headaches than glossy, black keyboards. Luckily the keyboards were detachable and so as part of the study they swapped them around. The headaches always followed the black shiny keyboards and it was eventually determined to be reflections from overhead lights making users squint when they looked down at the keys.

    This is why all keyboards went matt grey in the early 80s and all screens had a matt layer to reduce reflections.

    The contrast enhancement of the glossy screen is not worth the headaches it causes.
    I love this debate! I don;t have problems with a glossy screen, but have used too many business laptops with a godawful low brightness low resolution screen. OK if I was going to be staring a laptop screen all day it may be an issue, but thats what docking to a screen is for. And screens are all gloss!

    The "business" spec thing is bemusing me. Yes of course some manufactures have a dedicated business only series - HP Probook as an example. But I can find several where the "business" one is the same model as the consumer one - series name, chassis, processor, memory etc etc. But the fastest processor options are consumer, with a slower one for business. Or buy the exact same machine but one is business...
    Processor names - especially the Intel iCore series can be very misleading. Also a "Slower" i7 can be faster than a "quicker" i5 because of hyperthreading and pipelining issues.

    Unless you are high-end gaming or video editing do not worry too much about the processor. Any modern processor will provide more power than you need even allowing for the retarding effect of Windoze
    The business spec thing is about hardware build quality, not processor specs. Look at the discussion of Macbooks in this thread. On the Windows business laptop side you can say the same about Thinkpads. Mine is more than 10 years old.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172



    At least some of those (Effect and Climate Change) are named after my Great great great great? Uncle John. I have a collection of his books.

    This sounds interesting.

    What do you have?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,627
    edited February 2022

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    It must be a poor year for films if Don’t Look Up is nominated for Best Film at the oscars.

    I agree. Despite some of the adulation, I thought it was hackneyed and predictable, full of rather simple clichés. In my case, it was a waste of New Year's Eve - and my other half thought the same.
    I stuck it out, but never a Best Picture. I got fed up with The Power of the Dog too, but might have another go. Belfast is pure Oscar bait. They love that sort of thing, nostalgic monochrome set in Ireland...
    I quite liked Dune. Is that up?
    Got 10 nominations, including Best Picture. Villeneuve snubbed for Best Director, though.
    Total snorefest, with a lead who is a charisma black hole. Great visuals though.

    I hope it does well just to tempt them into making the whole damn series, I'm talking all the way to Sandworms of Dune.
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    El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,151

    Peter Thiel to Exit Meta’s Board to Support Trump-Aligned Candidates

    The tech billionaire, who has been on the board of the company formerly known as Facebook since 2005, is backing numerous politicians in the midterm elections.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/technology/peter-thiel-facebook.html

    (Thiel has given $10m to JD Vance for a run for Senate in Ohio. A name imho to watch PB betting guys)

    I recommend Vance as a name to watch… in order to lay! Completely over-hyped.
    Hillbilly Elegy is one of the stranger books I've read.

    The documentary stuff is very well observed.

    But a good half of it is "how I got out of this terrible situation" mixed with "and here's how America can do it too", and that half is just dire... patronising and glib. Like a right-wing Owen Jones but without the humility and levity. Yes, exactly.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,123

    Carnyx said:

    While waiting for something to happen, one for the space tech fans...

    image

    Looks interesting but nothing happens when I prod it?
    First detailed picture of Raptor 2 - the new SpaceX engine. Much cleaner design - reminiscent of the Merlin 1-D upgrade where a lot of small pipework was got rid of. Look like they went for long and slimmer - but that is no surprise given how many engines they are trying to pack in a limited space....
    Thanks! Doesn't look much different from an A4* engine in size. So I was wondering just how old the pic was, but that Toyota forklift is not very von Braun/Redstone Arsenal ...

    *V-2 to those who don't know the primary descriptor.
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    A normal GE would feature a massive campaign by Tories about tax bombshells and 'don't let them fuck up the recovery', look at their manifesto spending etc etc.

    In 2024 it will be a cesspit of lies and smears and cultural wars bollx about paedos and conspiracy and cancelling, saving migrants in dinghies, and blocking 'our' Brexit, commies at the BBC etc etc.

    No lie or smear will be too awful for Johnson's team.

    I'm worried that 'it's the economy stupid' led by Reeves will not be anywhere near enough.

    I make you right about this, aided by the mail, sun, Express etc, and who is to say that it might be enough to sway enough morons
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,643
    Lascelles og off Holgate.
    Holgate og off Lascelles.
    In 2 minutes.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 41,123

    FPT

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    I like Liechtenstein's parliament building


    I like that! Good contender. Modest yet handsome
    The Manx Tynwald is probably the most Covid-safe parliament in the world:


    Do you realise how much you have just screwed up my search facility with that one careless post?!!!! :)

    Now as long as this thread is active I will have to put an extra letter into the search when I go looking to see if I have had any replies to my comments.

    Aaaaaaaarrrrggghhhh!!!!!!!!!
    I shall have to remember to mention Tyneside, Tynemouth etc as frequently as possible in my posts from now on :wink:
    The opportunities for messing Richard up are huge. The Tyndall effect, Tyndall National Institute, Tyndall Centre for Climate Change, Tyndall Funds, etc, etc. Google just goes on and on and on.
    At least some of those (Effect and Climate Change) are named after my Great great great great? Uncle John. I have a collection of his books.
    An important and interesting chap - I was reading recently about the C19 movement to separate religion out of science (partly to avoud arguments about religion from a sectarian point of view) and his role in that, allied to Thomas Henry Huxley.

    https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/V/bo17213224.html
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,783

    Peter Thiel to Exit Meta’s Board to Support Trump-Aligned Candidates

    The tech billionaire, who has been on the board of the company formerly known as Facebook since 2005, is backing numerous politicians in the midterm elections.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/technology/peter-thiel-facebook.html

    (Thiel has given $10m to JD Vance for a run for Senate in Ohio. A name imho to watch PB betting guys)

    I recommend Vance as a name to watch… in order to lay! Completely over-hyped.
    Hillbilly Elegy is one of the stranger books I've read.

    The documentary stuff is very well observed.

    But a good half of it is "how I got out of this terrible situation" mixed with "and here's how America can do it too", and that half is just dire... patronising and glib. Like a right-wing Owen Jones but without the humility and levity. Yes, exactly.
    Thanks for finding the Lernout & Hauspie thing - amazing to think that was close to a quarter century ago.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    The point is that the joke isn’t about Russian people and how they behave. Maybe you want it rewritten to be specifically about living next to Putin? Are you Russian, or married to a Russian or just deliberately trying to find offence where none is intended?
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    CookieCookie Posts: 12,024
    mickydroy said:

    A normal GE would feature a massive campaign by Tories about tax bombshells and 'don't let them fuck up the recovery', look at their manifesto spending etc etc.

    In 2024 it will be a cesspit of lies and smears and cultural wars bollx about paedos and conspiracy and cancelling, saving migrants in dinghies, and blocking 'our' Brexit, commies at the BBC etc etc.

    No lie or smear will be too awful for Johnson's team.

    I'm worried that 'it's the economy stupid' led by Reeves will not be anywhere near enough.

    I make you right about this, aided by the mail, sun, Express etc, and who is to say that it might be enough to sway enough morons
    If the Tories are going to make it all about the war on woke then they need to start actually fighting it. There's only so much self-destruct over Palestine and Transsexuals the opposition will give them for free.
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    But, any individual is not responsible for a nation's leader.

    It is like saying all Italians are insatiable bottom-pinchers because they elected Berlusconi.
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,175
    Newcastle well under the cosh. Incredibly lucky to get back into the game.
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    If I were Starmer I'd say something like..

    "Obviously it was extremely low politics from the Prime Minister to bring this issue up to deflect from his own potential problems with the law, but his statement in the Commons wasn't entirely without fact.

    I clearly didn't spend 'most of my time' as Director of Public Prosecutions 'failing to prosecute Savile', but an opportunity to prosecute him was missed under my watch. When I realised this I commissioned an inquiry into how that opportunity had been missed and on seeing its conclusions I apologised.

    I don't make political apologies. I apologised because I was responsible for it. I sincerely regret not having had the foresight to earlier implement the changes I later made to the CPS that might have resulted in his prosecution. I am still so sorry to the poor victims who missed the chance to see their evil abuser see justice."

    Ange can don her winged fascinum ( @MoonRabbit did you see my post about this - I think it led to you being unsinbinned!) and loudly attack Boris for all his lies and sackings and Guppy and numerous other discretions.

    And leave Keir being dignified and PM-like.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,521
    Joelinton. :lol:
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    But, any individual is not responsible for a nation's leader.

    It is like saying all Italians are insatiable bottom-pinchers because they elected Berlusconi.
    Nope, I give up. You are clearly not understanding the joke. Have you seen political cartoons before?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    While waiting for something to happen, one for the space tech fans...

    image

    Looks interesting but nothing happens when I prod it?
    First detailed picture of Raptor 2 - the new SpaceX engine. Much cleaner design - reminiscent of the Merlin 1-D upgrade where a lot of small pipework was got rid of. Look like they went for long and slimmer - but that is no surprise given how many engines they are trying to pack in a limited space....
    Thanks! Doesn't look much different from an A4* engine in size. So I was wondering just how old the pic was, but that Toyota forklift is not very von Braun/Redstone Arsenal ...

    *V-2 to those who don't know the primary descriptor.
    well, Raptor 2 has an order of magnitude more thrust - 245 tons vs 25 for the Aggregat engine

    At 321 bar chamber pressure.... which is pretty much 1/3rd of a ton. Per square centimetre....
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited February 2022

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
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    Heathener said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    It must be a poor year for films if Don’t Look Up is nominated for Best Film at the oscars.

    I agree. Despite some of the adulation, I thought it was hackneyed and predictable, full of rather simple clichés. In my case, it was a waste of New Year's Eve - and my other half thought the same.
    I stuck it out, but never a Best Picture. I got fed up with The Power of the Dog too, but might have another go. Belfast is pure Oscar bait. They love that sort of thing, nostalgic monochrome set in Ireland...
    I quite liked Dune. Is that up?
    Did you?

    I thought that was one of the most tedious films I've ever watched and the worst Zimmer score ever.

    Maybe it's me that needs a lift.
    Worst Zimmer score ever? That must be apocalyptically bad.
    Best Zimmer score: Inception (Dark Knight a close second).
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,627

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    I asked my Russian step-mother - she thinks it is brilliant and is sending it to all her friends.

    Mind you, she hates Putin and all his works.
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    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    The speech bubble says "Russian", not "Putin".
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    It’s a joke about the current situation in Ukraine. How does that have any relevance to what England (perhaps Britain, or is this only an English affair) did in past times, in common with basically every nation, for ever? Absolutely no one, looking at the cartoon will think, yes, the bloody Russian people, always stealing gardens. No one.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    The speech bubble says "Russian", not "Putin".
    Not you too, Sunil. It’s obviously not about the Russian people...
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,627
    edited February 2022

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    The speech bubble says "Russian", not "Putin".
    Good thing there's no such thing as subtext, and that all sentences are entirely literal - turns out it is actually about stealing gardens and nothing else.
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    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    The speech bubble says "Russian", not "Putin".
    Not you too, Sunil. It’s obviously not about the Russian people...
    But it doesn't say "Putinistas"! :p
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    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    Have I somehow wandered into the World of Woke?
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
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    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    The speech bubble says "Russian", not "Putin".
    Good thing there's no such thing as subtext, and that all sentences are entirely literal - turns out it is actually about stealing gardens and nothing else.
    But it doesn't say "Putinistas"! :p
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    The speech bubble says "Russian", not "Putin".
    Not you too, Sunil. It’s obviously not about the Russian people...
    But it doesn't say "Putinistas"! :p
    Because if you need that blatant an approach you are failing in your job. It’s achingly obvious that this is about Putin, why ruin the simplicity by labelling it?
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    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    Ancient history was never my strong point, but didn't England/Britain/UK invade/bomb/colonise far more nations than Russia did?

    :naughty:
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    Javid assumes that English people are suckers.

    He might not be wrong.
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    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    Have I somehow wandered into the World of Woke?
    Peter! You can be the "Woken" white guy! :lol:
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663
    Cookie said:

    mickydroy said:

    A normal GE would feature a massive campaign by Tories about tax bombshells and 'don't let them fuck up the recovery', look at their manifesto spending etc etc.

    In 2024 it will be a cesspit of lies and smears and cultural wars bollx about paedos and conspiracy and cancelling, saving migrants in dinghies, and blocking 'our' Brexit, commies at the BBC etc etc.

    No lie or smear will be too awful for Johnson's team.

    I'm worried that 'it's the economy stupid' led by Reeves will not be anywhere near enough.

    I make you right about this, aided by the mail, sun, Express etc, and who is to say that it might be enough to sway enough morons
    If the Tories are going to make it all about the war on woke then they need to start actually fighting it. There's only so much self-destruct over Palestine and Transsexuals the opposition will give them for free.
    Cookie said:

    mickydroy said:

    A normal GE would feature a massive campaign by Tories about tax bombshells and 'don't let them fuck up the recovery', look at their manifesto spending etc etc.

    In 2024 it will be a cesspit of lies and smears and cultural wars bollx about paedos and conspiracy and cancelling, saving migrants in dinghies, and blocking 'our' Brexit, commies at the BBC etc etc.

    No lie or smear will be too awful for Johnson's team.

    I'm worried that 'it's the economy stupid' led by Reeves will not be anywhere near enough.

    I make you right about this, aided by the mail, sun, Express etc, and who is to say that it might be enough to sway enough morons
    If the Tories are going to make it all about the war on woke then they need to start actually fighting it. There's only so much self-destruct over Palestine and Transsexuals the opposition will give them for free.
    "There's only so much self-destruct over Palestine and Transsexuals the opposition will give them for free."

    The People's Front of Judea vs Judean People's Front vs Campaign for a Free Galilee vs Judean Popular Front sketch was based on simple observation.

    When the radical left have any time to spend, they do so in discovering minute differences between each other and dividing. This process is un-ending and requires no external input....
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    I’d agree with you if it was published in the 1920’s, or Victorian era and labelled British. But it’s not. It’s a joke about now. And it’s subtly funny. And frankly if you really, really think it’s insulting to Russian people, then I think you have lost a sense of perspective.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    The same way as a German living in the UK in 1938 would feel about Sudetenland "jokes" perhaps.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    Ancient history was never my strong point, but didn't England/Britain/UK invade/bomb/colonise far more nations than Russia did?

    :naughty:
    I don’t want to make it a fight about who had the worst/best empire, but I think most of Eastern Europe might disagree. Poland wasn’t just oppressed by a Germany.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    Ancient history was never my strong point, but didn't England/Britain/UK invade/bomb/colonise far more nations than Russia did?

    :naughty:
    Russian Empire vs British Empire.

    Hmmmm. In terms of numbers of people, India etc...

    In terms of numbers of nations, that would require some historical digging. Russia annihilated quite a few groups/countries in the immediate neighbourhood.

    Unless you think that conquering nations doesn't count...... when it's your next door neighbours garden?
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    A normal GE would feature a massive campaign by Tories about tax bombshells and 'don't let them fuck up the recovery', look at their manifesto spending etc etc.

    In 2024 it will be a cesspit of lies and smears and cultural wars bollx about paedos and conspiracy and cancelling, saving migrants in dinghies, and blocking 'our' Brexit, commies at the BBC etc etc.

    No lie or smear will be too awful for Johnson's team.

    I'm worried that 'it's the economy stupid' led by Reeves will not be anywhere near enough.

    It will largely be targeted ads run by astroturf groups on facebook, etc, so a lot more deniable than Johnson mouthing off at PMQs.
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    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    But, any individual is not responsible for a nation's leader.

    It is like saying all Italians are insatiable bottom-pinchers because they elected Berlusconi.
    Or all English are…ok, let’s not go there.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    Ancient history was never my strong point, but didn't England/Britain/UK invade/bomb/colonise far more nations than Russia did?

    :naughty:
    I don’t want to make it a fight about who had the worst/best empire, but I think most of Eastern Europe might disagree. Poland wasn’t just oppressed by a Germany.
    There is a whole genre of jokes that go, roughly : Born in country X, bought up in country Y, lived mostly in country Z. Never left the village....
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    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    But, any individual is not responsible for a nation's leader.

    It is like saying all Italians are insatiable bottom-pinchers because they elected Berlusconi.
    Or all English are…ok, let’s not go there.
    I have already been there :)
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    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    Ancient history was never my strong point, but didn't England/Britain/UK invade/bomb/colonise far more nations than Russia did?

    :naughty:
    Russian Empire vs British Empire.

    Hmmmm. In terms of numbers of people, India etc...

    In terms of numbers of nations, that would require some historical digging. Russia annihilated quite a few groups/countries in the immediate neighbourhood.

    Unless you think that conquering nations doesn't count...... when it's your next door neighbours garden?
    The native Tasmanians (DO NOT) say hello...
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    Sandpit said:

    FPT: Laptops. @RochdalePioneers

    Always choose from the laptops that offer Windows Pro as an option, they’re generally the business range, a little more expensive but more stable in configuration for central management and with 3-year hardware warranty. I usually go for Dell XPS range, or Lenovo.

    Left-field option is the Microsoft Surface tablet, which is surprisingly good at the higher specs, if you are mostly in office or home locations with proper screens and keyboards for the big spreadsheets. I use these for senior management, the battery really does last all day and it can also drive a 34” 4k screen.

    Most laptops are not really upgradeable any more, so get at least 16GB RAM and i7 processor.

    As mentioned earlier, definitely W10 over W11.

    Hint: create two user accounts when you set it up yourself, before giving it to corporate IT, and make them both administrators but without names like ‘admin’. You will find these useful once you have a domain account that needs permission to install anything.

    Out of curiosity what is the difference between a "business range" laptop preinstalled with Pro and a consumer range one preinstalled with Home when they are the same hardware?

    I can find quite a few examples on both Dell and Acer stores where the business model is the same hardware - chassis, screen, processor, memory. Admittedly many more of the Dell business machines have the same matt Full HD screens that @Beibheirli_C loves and I hate... :)
    There was a very interesting study done years (decades!!) back where various factors were being looked at for human/computer interaction. An unexpected result was that matt, grey keyboards caused less headaches than glossy, black keyboards. Luckily the keyboards were detachable and so as part of the study they swapped them around. The headaches always followed the black shiny keyboards and it was eventually determined to be reflections from overhead lights making users squint when they looked down at the keys.

    This is why all keyboards went matt grey in the early 80s and all screens had a matt layer to reduce reflections.

    The contrast enhancement of the glossy screen is not worth the headaches it causes.
    I love this debate! I don;t have problems with a glossy screen, but have used too many business laptops with a godawful low brightness low resolution screen. OK if I was going to be staring a laptop screen all day it may be an issue, but thats what docking to a screen is for. And screens are all gloss!

    The "business" spec thing is bemusing me. Yes of course some manufactures have a dedicated business only series - HP Probook as an example. But I can find several where the "business" one is the same model as the consumer one - series name, chassis, processor, memory etc etc. But the fastest processor options are consumer, with a slower one for business. Or buy the exact same machine but one is business...
    Processor names - especially the Intel iCore series can be very misleading. Also a "Slower" i7 can be faster than a "quicker" i5 because of hyperthreading and pipelining issues.

    Unless you are high-end gaming or video editing do not worry too much about the processor. Any modern processor will provide more power than you need even allowing for the retarding effect of Windoze
    The business spec thing is about hardware build quality, not processor specs. Look at the discussion of Macbooks in this thread. On the Windows business laptop side you can say the same about Thinkpads. Mine is more than 10 years old.
    Appreciate the comments! I take your point about i5 vs i7 - a stack of memory is as important as Windows a memory monster these days.

    Build quality I take seriously - need a metal chassis and hinges that aren't going to fall apart. I think some of my confusion on business vs premium consumer is that they're offering "ultrabook" type products to both. The days of business machines being hefty and the consumer ones flimsy plastic are largely gone.

    I take the point about old Macbooks and Thinkpads! Though with both I'd be worried about software-enforced obsolescence - and having to carry a brick-sized Thinkbook around...
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    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Hopefully embarrassed by their nations leader, who is the target of the joke.
    But, any individual is not responsible for a nation's leader.

    It is like saying all Italians are insatiable bottom-pinchers because they elected Berlusconi.
    Or all English are…ok, let’s not go there.
    Ah, go on, let’s.
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    BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,412
    edited February 2022

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    I asked my Russian step-mother - she thinks it is brilliant and is sending it to all her friends.

    Mind you, she hates Putin and all his works.
    I just spoke to my Siberian friend about it. She thinks it's hilarious and is sending it to her family.

    She lives in London and she isn't at all worried that anybody would think it was an attack on Russian people as neighbours, rather than on Putin as a neighbour of Ukraine.
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    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,175
    Barrel scraping attack on the chancellor from the Mirror,here. Someone who advises him said something in 2008 about the North. Air of desperation from his enemies in the blue team ?

    https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1491120247407263745?s=21
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    Taz said:

    Barrel scraping attack on the chancellor from the Mirror,here. Someone who advises him said something in 2008 about the North. Air of desperation from his enemies in the blue team ?

    https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1491120247407263745?s=21

    I was told a lot of the attacks on various Blues are being leaked by other Blues.

    There's a leadership contest coming soon (most of them think.)
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    Excellent programme on BBC Scotland just finishing, Scotland from the Air, panoramic on several levels: Bristol Fighters, flying over Everest, sinking the Bismarck and… Wick!!!
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,175

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Which in itself is an hilarious reference to anal sex 👍
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 16,614
    Taz said:

    Barrel scraping attack on the chancellor from the Mirror,here. Someone who advises him said something in 2008 about the North. Air of desperation from his enemies in the blue team ?

    https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1491120247407263745?s=21

    This is like the attack on Truss for catching Covid at a party a week ago.

    Beginning to think it's a co-operative thing, as it makes them both look like angels compared to Johnson.
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,175

    Taz said:

    Barrel scraping attack on the chancellor from the Mirror,here. Someone who advises him said something in 2008 about the North. Air of desperation from his enemies in the blue team ?

    https://twitter.com/rewearmouth/status/1491120247407263745?s=21

    I was told a lot of the attacks on various Blues are being leaked by other Blues.

    There's a leadership contest coming soon (most of them think.)
    The Liz Truss expensive flight and Liz Truss expensive meal also struck me as being blue on blue.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986
    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Which in itself is an hilarious reference to anal sex 👍
    So never having considered that in my 49 years on the planet, now I’ll never be able to think of the film in the same way again...
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    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Brother Belcher: I've never ridden in a cart pulled by cows before.

    Captain Keene: Bullocks, Mr Belcher!

    Brother Belcher: No, I haven't, honestly.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Trouble is, we are all anti racist to our very bones. And we all, all of us, have this inbuilt disclaimer which says Except of course about the Welsh, natch. Dim problem.
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    No Tory poll leads for two months and two days!

    (last was a 2-point lead in Redfield & Wilton, 6th December)
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    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Trouble is, we are all anti racist to our very bones. And we all, all of us, have this inbuilt disclaimer which says Except of course about the Welsh, natch. Dim problem.
    I love the Welsh, every zoo should have a pair.
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    Just on the last thread: Tom Tugendhat=Rory Stewart 2.0

    Beloved of PB; no chance with the Tory selectorate
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 49,214
    Senior German MP says Macron has no mandate to negotiate any kind of security order with Putin.

    https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1491116656394973185
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    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Which in itself is an hilarious reference to anal sex 👍
    So never having considered that in my 49 years on the planet, now I’ll never be able to think of the film in the same way again...
    The Khasi of Kalabar: May the benevolence of the god Shivoo bring blessings on your house.

    Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond: And on yours.

    The Khasi of Kalabar: And may his wisdom bring success in all your undertakings.

    Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond: And in yours.

    The Khasi of Kalabar: And may his radiance light up your life.

    Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond: And up yours.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Trouble is, we are all anti racist to our very bones. And we all, all of us, have this inbuilt disclaimer which says Except of course about the Welsh, natch. Dim problem.
    I love the Welsh, every zoo should have a pair.
    Aquarium shirley
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663

    Excellent programme on BBC Scotland just finishing, Scotland from the Air, panoramic on several levels: Bristol Fighters, flying over Everest, sinking the Bismarck and… Wick!!!

    Bristol Fighters sinking Wick? Seems a bit hard on the place....
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686
    edited February 2022

    Senior German MP says Macron has no mandate to negotiate any kind of security order with Putin.

    https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1491116656394973185

    Especially if his tactic is to sell out the Ukrainians and gain nothing, which seems to be what he's doing.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 93,627
    MaxPB said:

    Senior German MP says Macron has no mandate to negotiate any kind of security order with Putin.

    https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1491116656394973185

    Especially if his tactic is to sell out the Ukrainians and gain nothing, which seems to be what he's doing.
    How could he? Russia is in no way preparing to invade and is not escalating tensions, so how could it promise not to do either of those things?
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Which in itself is an hilarious reference to anal sex 👍
    So never having considered that in my 49 years on the planet, now I’ll never be able to think of the film in the same way again...
    Khyber pass = arse. Did you seriously not know?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    Ancient history was never my strong point, but didn't England/Britain/UK invade/bomb/colonise far more nations than Russia did?

    :naughty:
    I don’t want to make it a fight about who had the worst/best empire, but I think most of Eastern Europe might disagree. Poland wasn’t just oppressed by a Germany.
    There is a whole genre of jokes that go, roughly : Born in country X, bought up in country Y, lived mostly in country Z. Never left the village....
    A great cartoon -

    image
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,786

    Sandpit said:

    FPT: Laptops. @RochdalePioneers

    Always choose from the laptops that offer Windows Pro as an option, they’re generally the business range, a little more expensive but more stable in configuration for central management and with 3-year hardware warranty. I usually go for Dell XPS range, or Lenovo.

    Left-field option is the Microsoft Surface tablet, which is surprisingly good at the higher specs, if you are mostly in office or home locations with proper screens and keyboards for the big spreadsheets. I use these for senior management, the battery really does last all day and it can also drive a 34” 4k screen.

    Most laptops are not really upgradeable any more, so get at least 16GB RAM and i7 processor.

    As mentioned earlier, definitely W10 over W11.

    Hint: create two user accounts when you set it up yourself, before giving it to corporate IT, and make them both administrators but without names like ‘admin’. You will find these useful once you have a domain account that needs permission to install anything.

    Out of curiosity what is the difference between a "business range" laptop preinstalled with Pro and a consumer range one preinstalled with Home when they are the same hardware?

    I can find quite a few examples on both Dell and Acer stores where the business model is the same hardware - chassis, screen, processor, memory. Admittedly many more of the Dell business machines have the same matt Full HD screens that @Beibheirli_C loves and I hate... :)
    There was a very interesting study done years (decades!!) back where various factors were being looked at for human/computer interaction. An unexpected result was that matt, grey keyboards caused less headaches than glossy, black keyboards. Luckily the keyboards were detachable and so as part of the study they swapped them around. The headaches always followed the black shiny keyboards and it was eventually determined to be reflections from overhead lights making users squint when they looked down at the keys.

    This is why all keyboards went matt grey in the early 80s and all screens had a matt layer to reduce reflections.

    The contrast enhancement of the glossy screen is not worth the headaches it causes.
    I love this debate! I don;t have problems with a glossy screen, but have used too many business laptops with a godawful low brightness low resolution screen. OK if I was going to be staring a laptop screen all day it may be an issue, but thats what docking to a screen is for. And screens are all gloss!

    The "business" spec thing is bemusing me. Yes of course some manufactures have a dedicated business only series - HP Probook as an example. But I can find several where the "business" one is the same model as the consumer one - series name, chassis, processor, memory etc etc. But the fastest processor options are consumer, with a slower one for business. Or buy the exact same machine but one is business...
    Processor names - especially the Intel iCore series can be very misleading. Also a "Slower" i7 can be faster than a "quicker" i5 because of hyperthreading and pipelining issues.

    Unless you are high-end gaming or video editing do not worry too much about the processor. Any modern processor will provide more power than you need even allowing for the retarding effect of Windoze
    The business spec thing is about hardware build quality, not processor specs. Look at the discussion of Macbooks in this thread. On the Windows business laptop side you can say the same about Thinkpads. Mine is more than 10 years old.
    Appreciate the comments! I take your point about i5 vs i7 - a stack of memory is as important as Windows a memory monster these days.

    Build quality I take seriously - need a metal chassis and hinges that aren't going to fall apart. I think some of my confusion on business vs premium consumer is that they're offering "ultrabook" type products to both. The days of business machines being hefty and the consumer ones flimsy plastic are largely gone.

    I take the point about old Macbooks and Thinkpads! Though with both I'd be worried about software-enforced obsolescence - and having to carry a brick-sized Thinkbook around...
    "a stack of memory is as important as Windows a memory monster these days."

    One of the things I *hate* about modern programs is the way many are so damned memory intensive. I know there is a heck of a lot of code reuse and modular gubbins, but from looking at GitHub and elsewhere, so many people seem to now know anything about memory-efficient programming. Though I mainly look at C/C++.

    I know we're not in the days when 1MB is all we have (and yes, 32KB and lower), but it does feel as though people just want to throw memory at their programs. People are more interested in optimising for speed rather than memory, which is fine until your program is running with several others that have the same idea...
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686
    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Senior German MP says Macron has no mandate to negotiate any kind of security order with Putin.

    https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1491116656394973185

    Especially if his tactic is to sell out the Ukrainians and gain nothing, which seems to be what he's doing.
    How could he? Russia is in no way preparing to invade and is not escalating tensions, so how could it promise not to do either of those things?
    It's actually shocking that Macron is so ready to give away the kitchen sink to Russia and get precisely zero in return. I never had him down as a moron, just an irritant.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986
    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Which in itself is an hilarious reference to anal sex 👍
    So never having considered that in my 49 years on the planet, now I’ll never be able to think of the film in the same way again...
    Khyber pass = arse. Did you seriously not know?
    Just never thought. Maybe I don’t have a smutty mind, although as I love the film, I really do. So no excuse.
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    Arsenal used to be a classy club, where did it all go wrong?



    https://www.caughtoffside.com/2022/02/08/arsenal-troll-tottenham-on-online-store/
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    TazTaz Posts: 12,175
    edited February 2022

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Which in itself is an hilarious reference to anal sex 👍
    So never having considered that in my 49 years on the planet, now I’ll never be able to think of the film in the same way again...
    Khyber pass = arse. Did you seriously not know?
    Just never thought. Maybe I don’t have a smutty mind, although as I love the film, I really do. So no excuse.
    They’re a great series of films really ran out of steam towards the end. I Probably do have a smutty mind, or like seaside postcard humour. love the double entendres.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663

    Sandpit said:

    FPT: Laptops. @RochdalePioneers

    Always choose from the laptops that offer Windows Pro as an option, they’re generally the business range, a little more expensive but more stable in configuration for central management and with 3-year hardware warranty. I usually go for Dell XPS range, or Lenovo.

    Left-field option is the Microsoft Surface tablet, which is surprisingly good at the higher specs, if you are mostly in office or home locations with proper screens and keyboards for the big spreadsheets. I use these for senior management, the battery really does last all day and it can also drive a 34” 4k screen.

    Most laptops are not really upgradeable any more, so get at least 16GB RAM and i7 processor.

    As mentioned earlier, definitely W10 over W11.

    Hint: create two user accounts when you set it up yourself, before giving it to corporate IT, and make them both administrators but without names like ‘admin’. You will find these useful once you have a domain account that needs permission to install anything.

    Out of curiosity what is the difference between a "business range" laptop preinstalled with Pro and a consumer range one preinstalled with Home when they are the same hardware?

    I can find quite a few examples on both Dell and Acer stores where the business model is the same hardware - chassis, screen, processor, memory. Admittedly many more of the Dell business machines have the same matt Full HD screens that @Beibheirli_C loves and I hate... :)
    There was a very interesting study done years (decades!!) back where various factors were being looked at for human/computer interaction. An unexpected result was that matt, grey keyboards caused less headaches than glossy, black keyboards. Luckily the keyboards were detachable and so as part of the study they swapped them around. The headaches always followed the black shiny keyboards and it was eventually determined to be reflections from overhead lights making users squint when they looked down at the keys.

    This is why all keyboards went matt grey in the early 80s and all screens had a matt layer to reduce reflections.

    The contrast enhancement of the glossy screen is not worth the headaches it causes.
    I love this debate! I don;t have problems with a glossy screen, but have used too many business laptops with a godawful low brightness low resolution screen. OK if I was going to be staring a laptop screen all day it may be an issue, but thats what docking to a screen is for. And screens are all gloss!

    The "business" spec thing is bemusing me. Yes of course some manufactures have a dedicated business only series - HP Probook as an example. But I can find several where the "business" one is the same model as the consumer one - series name, chassis, processor, memory etc etc. But the fastest processor options are consumer, with a slower one for business. Or buy the exact same machine but one is business...
    Processor names - especially the Intel iCore series can be very misleading. Also a "Slower" i7 can be faster than a "quicker" i5 because of hyperthreading and pipelining issues.

    Unless you are high-end gaming or video editing do not worry too much about the processor. Any modern processor will provide more power than you need even allowing for the retarding effect of Windoze
    The business spec thing is about hardware build quality, not processor specs. Look at the discussion of Macbooks in this thread. On the Windows business laptop side you can say the same about Thinkpads. Mine is more than 10 years old.
    Appreciate the comments! I take your point about i5 vs i7 - a stack of memory is as important as Windows a memory monster these days.

    Build quality I take seriously - need a metal chassis and hinges that aren't going to fall apart. I think some of my confusion on business vs premium consumer is that they're offering "ultrabook" type products to both. The days of business machines being hefty and the consumer ones flimsy plastic are largely gone.

    I take the point about old Macbooks and Thinkpads! Though with both I'd be worried about software-enforced obsolescence - and having to carry a brick-sized Thinkbook around...
    "a stack of memory is as important as Windows a memory monster these days."

    One of the things I *hate* about modern programs is the way many are so damned memory intensive. I know there is a heck of a lot of code reuse and modular gubbins, but from looking at GitHub and elsewhere, so many people seem to now know anything about memory-efficient programming. Though I mainly look at C/C++.

    I know we're not in the days when 1MB is all we have (and yes, 32KB and lower), but it does feel as though people just want to throw memory at their programs. People are more interested in optimising for speed rather than memory, which is fine until your program is running with several others that have the same idea...
    1Mb!!!!

    {fake Yorkshire accent loads, noisily, from a tape recorded in beeping tones}

    Luuuuuuxry. When I was a lad we dreeeaammmed of having 1k of memory to write in

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1K_ZX_Chess
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663
    MaxPB said:

    Senior German MP says Macron has no mandate to negotiate any kind of security order with Putin.

    https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1491116656394973185

    Especially if his tactic is to sell out the Ukrainians and gain nothing, which seems to be what he's doing.
    If he sells out the Ukrainians, what would the Germans be left to sell? They would be... Out of Stock! The greatest nightmare for those of a commercial turn of mind....
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,986
    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Which in itself is an hilarious reference to anal sex 👍
    So never having considered that in my 49 years on the planet, now I’ll never be able to think of the film in the same way again...
    Khyber pass = arse. Did you seriously not know?
    Just never thought. Maybe I don’t have a smutty mind, although as I love the film, I really do. So no excuse.
    They’re a great series of films really ran out of steam towards the end. I Probably do have a smutty mind, or like seaside postcard humour. love the double entendres.
    Cleo, Khyber, Follow that camel, camping. Could watch them over and over. Jim Dale probably the lynchpin for me.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 45,663
    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Senior German MP says Macron has no mandate to negotiate any kind of security order with Putin.

    https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1491116656394973185

    Especially if his tactic is to sell out the Ukrainians and gain nothing, which seems to be what he's doing.
    How could he? Russia is in no way preparing to invade and is not escalating tensions, so how could it promise not to do either of those things?
    It's actually shocking that Macron is so ready to give away the kitchen sink to Russia and get precisely zero in return. I never had him down as a moron, just an irritant.
    In an election year, a politician trying. desperately, for a foreign policy achievement?

    I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, to find domestic politics going on here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-PS_pr-t0
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    A decent keeper saves that or am being harsh on Pickford?
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,314

    Taz said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    I hate myself for the fact I'm so obsessed with the Wagatha Christie case.

    Some of the private messages relating to the case are missing, for a variety of unfortunate reasons. Vardy’s former agent said her mobile phone was accidentally dropped in the North Sea shortly after Rooney’s lawyers requested access to the device.

    “Coincidentally, around the same time, all media files from Mrs Vardy’s WhatsApp conversation with Ms Watt also bizarrely disappeared (and from all backups), whilst apparently in the process of exporting it to her solicitors,” said Rooney’s lawyers.

    Jamie Vardy, the Leicester City striker, also said that his “WhatsApp was hacked and all conversations were deleted and could not be restored”, while declining to allow Rooney’s lawyers to examine his phone. The laptop used by Vardy during the crucial period also “no longer functions”, while messages between Rebekah Vardy and Halls appear to have been deleted.

    Rebekah Vardy’s own expert described the data recovery situation as “surprising” and “unusual”.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/08/rebekah-vardy-said-she-would-love-to-leak-stories-about-coleen-rooney-to-media-instagram

    Is this what happens, when two stupid people have unlimited money to try and prove a point against each other?
    Yes. See also regular ‘boundary disputes’ where warring people spend tens of thousands over a few square feet of garden.
    Which reminds me, I need to share this.


    Imagine this with any other peoples so casually slurred.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from Pakistan before." Or, "No we have never had neighbours from Zimbabwe before".

    This is racism. This is Russo-phobia. This is an unhealthy ethnic or national generalization.

    Have you checked under the bed recently ? The bears are there. They are in the wardrobe, too.

    Russo-phobia runs through Western politics. From Trump, to Brexit, to Scottish nationalism, to Black Lives Matter, it is all caused by the bears.

    Whether you are on the left or right of Western politics, it seems absolutely standard to believe that there are millions of gullible people being taken in all the time by vast propaganda machines run by Russian bears.

    The Russians made us Brexit. The Russians made us elect Trump.

    BLM -- fomented by Russia. QAnon -- fanned by Russia.

    Scottish independence -- encouraged by Russia . The weakening of the EU -- Russia.
    Come off it, it’s a funny comment about Putin/Russia, not a racist smear about how Russian people behave.
    Ah. It is just bantz. I see.
    If by bantz you are implying I am excusing a racist joke, then no, it’s not just bantz. Do you honestly think it was intended as a racist slur? I mean really? It’s so obviously about Putin, you’d have to be looking for offence to find it...
    How do you think a Russian living in the UK might feel about that "joke"?
    Pretty good, and pretty pleased to be living here rather than in Russia.
    Actually, most of the ones I know are quietly sad because they have had to leave Russia. And they do notice that Russians are blamed for everything.

    Do you not think England might be a better target for the Joke?

    Which country has stolen 6 of its neighbour's counties ? Or a rock in Spain? And so on.
    I've changed my mind, you do get comedy, as that is hilarious. I was almost fooled it was serious for a moment.
    I think with "England" replacing "Russia" it is a great, great cartoon.

    "No, we have never had neighbours from England before", as the English neighbours appropriate the garden.

    That is a cartoon that will be a best seller in the Rest of the World.

    I'll handle the Welsh sales.
    You should see the stuff I share on WhatsApp.

    It's all a bit Carry On Up the Khyber.
    Which in itself is an hilarious reference to anal sex 👍
    So never having considered that in my 49 years on the planet, now I’ll never be able to think of the film in the same way again...
    Khyber pass = arse. Did you seriously not know?
    Just never thought. Maybe I don’t have a smutty mind, although as I love the film, I really do. So no excuse.
    They’re a great series of films really ran out of steam towards the end. I Probably do have a smutty mind, or like seaside postcard humour. love the double entendres.
    Cleo, Khyber, Follow that camel, camping. Could watch them over and over. Jim Dale probably the lynchpin for me.
    linchpin

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    Just on the last thread: Tom Tugendhat=Rory Stewart 2.0

    Beloved of PB; no chance with the Tory selectorate

    You are right, unfortunately.
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    Senior German MP says Macron has no mandate to negotiate any kind of security order with Putin.

    https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1491116656394973185

    I’ve lost track, is PB currently listening to senior German MPs or screaming appeasing Putinesca at them?
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    RogerRoger Posts: 19,293
    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Heathener said:

    Boris is toast.

    But rather like one of those hotel toasters, he keeps going round again and again.

    All getting darker each time he does.

    Johnson looks to be anything but toast to me.

    His scorched earth gamble was looking like an error late last week, but after yesterday he can see that Starmer's name is now inextricably linked to Savile's, hence his and Philp's doubling down today.

    Johnson is very confident he's comprehensively won this. He survives and the Starmer brand well and truly trashed.
    Just bear in mind, everyone, that MexicanPete is the person who thought Johnson's slur about Jimmy Savile was ...

    "funny"

    And MexicanPete then continued to repeat this for the following 48 hours.
    When did I say it was "funny"?

    I said on Monday week it was an effective line by Johnson. I later though it was an error Johnson is doubling down on this today by not apologising after events yesterday because he can see that on every news report, every demand for an apology is met with Starmer and Savile in the same sentence. Chris Philp must have repeated Starmer and Savile in the same sentence a dozen times on R4 Today.

    Whatever the cynicism of Johnson's initial statement he now understands this is working for him. If you can't see this is hurting Starmer more than Johnson you are deluded.
    I think you're very wrong if you think this is harming Starmer more than Johnson. Quite the reverse. This has done Starmer a favour. Once the 'honest broker' resigned in disgust there could only be one winner. The public had no idea who did or said what until the resignation followed by days of hand wringing from the BBC.

    After that it was a done deal. I'd go further and say it added to the notion that Starmer is a straight dealer and that Johnson isn't. It's always the case that publicity benefits the market leader and Johnson is always going to be the market leader in telling lies
    THIS suggests that - for surely the first ever time in PB history - you are completely wrong

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/08/they-all-blame-each-other-little-sympathy-for-starmer-after-savile-slur?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
    Obviously I bow to the expertise of a Guardian Staff reporter and his focus group of one chosen wandering through a park in St Pancras
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,686

    MaxPB said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Senior German MP says Macron has no mandate to negotiate any kind of security order with Putin.

    https://twitter.com/amanpour/status/1491116656394973185

    Especially if his tactic is to sell out the Ukrainians and gain nothing, which seems to be what he's doing.
    How could he? Russia is in no way preparing to invade and is not escalating tensions, so how could it promise not to do either of those things?
    It's actually shocking that Macron is so ready to give away the kitchen sink to Russia and get precisely zero in return. I never had him down as a moron, just an irritant.
    In an election year, a politician trying. desperately, for a foreign policy achievement?

    I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, to find domestic politics going on here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-PS_pr-t0
    Surely the better domestic play is to denounce Putin and lend Ukraine a few tactical nukes. There's no votes in appeasement, at least not in France.
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