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Punters increasingly think Johnson’s days are numbered – politicalbetting.com

As we near the end of another extraordinary political day with key resignations from Number 10 it really looks as though time is running out for Johnson. It appears a mess because clearly, it is a mess.

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Sunil_Prasannan

First unlike Boris

eek

Not really, we wait for Sir Graham Brady failing to announce anything because he still hasn't received 54 letters.

Cookie

I find it amazing that the odds of him leaving by April aren't much higher. I reckon it should be about evens at this stage.

FrancisUrquhart

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

tlg86 said:

Completely off-topic, but I know there are some NFL fans on here:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/feb/03/nfl-tanking-allegations-owner-payments-brian-flores-hue-jackson

The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.

This argument annoys me in soccer, but it seriously boils my piss with American football. Here are the NFL head coaches:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_head_coaches

Of the 27 head coaches (there are five vacancies), only four had significant NFL careers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Rivera
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Reich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Vrabel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Campbell

The rest started coaching soon after leaving school/college. Indeed, the one black head coach - Mike Tomlin - did precisely that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tomlin

If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.

I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.

At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.

In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.

What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.

QB / Tight End - White
RB / Wide Receivers - Black

Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.

At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.

I am not sure your point?

Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.

I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.

Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.

This is how the conversation started:

The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.

There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.

Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.

And as stated, the idea of you were a pro then you become a coach / manager is going out of the window, especially with highly technique analytical games like NFL. Its a totally different skillset and one you need to develop instead of playing for 10-15 years.

So why aren't black people following that route?

It sounds as if the issue is upstream, if a seperate stream gets deviated into coaching at college or high school level. Perhaps something similar for association football.

On ESPN (which I listen to sometimes in the wee hours as partial cure for insomnia) consensus seems to be, that critical factor is that owners of NFL teams want "people who look like them" and who they feel comfortable with, for these top jobs, which in many if not most cases put the head coach in close proximity with team owners.

Think that point you've made re: separation of coaching from playing tracks, which in US football mostly occurs at college level (natural starting point for pro players and coaches) may also be a factor. Though still plenty of Black coaches in NCAA & NFL . . . just NOT at top of the pyramid.

Note that many of the predominately White sports journos on ESPN and etc. on this side of the Atlantic (and Pacific) commenting on the Brian Flores lawsuit versus NFL are obviously pretty conservative in their politics. Yet nearly all of the ones I hear on the radio are siding with him, based on what they know personally as former players and/or experienced reporters.

Two things stand out regarding Flores lawsuit:
> he is asking the courts for broad injunctive relief NOT personal monetary settlement.
> his accusation that he was offered bribe by Miami Dolphins owner to tank his own team has truly lit a raging fire under the ass of every half-serious football player AND fan in the USA.

The issue of poor performance rewarded with guarantee of first pick just opens itself to bent practices. It has to be a lottery among the worst x teams, especially in a game where there one position is so much more important than the rest e.g Bengals were a nothing team year after year before they got Borrow pick.

Literally that one pick working out catapults them from nobodies to potential winners.

MaxPB

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

MaxPB said:

glw said:

MaxPB said:

eek said:

As we are doing tech stuff (so scared everyone else away)

Corey Quinn
@QuinnyPig
Wild that @awscloud is now a $70 billion annual run rate business. But don't worry, AWS employee friends; the market cares not a whit how well you perform your jobs.

GCP is approaching $20bn ARR from a standing stars a few years ago. It's incredible how much the big three have come to dominate cloud services so totally.

It always make me chuckle when people say Google Cloud is losing, how many businesses ever grow as fast as that? Basically none.

Indeed, one of the group subsidiaries is on a complete AWS stack right now and it's been interesting watching from a distance as AWS are giving gigantic discounts to hold on to them now that the rest of the company has started the big shift over to GCP. I was shocked as to how much more money GCP is compared to AWS, yet GCP keeps on trucking and growing.

PythonAnywhere is built on AWS. (And hosts hundreds of thousands of concurrent python apps.)

But only if they're smaller than 6mb!

Actually the PythonAnywhere architecture is pretty amazing, they have hundreds of virtual servers running at AWS that automatically scale up and down according to traffic and demand for processing power.

Your web app can be shifted from one server to another with only a few milliseconds of unresponsiveness.

It was just my snarky reference to the idiotic lambda function size limitation, it sounds like a great idea, though very similar to what GCP does natively with cloud data lab.

JBriskin3

Yay - thanks for new thread Mike.

Anyone know if Sky are going to cover the by-election yet?

kle4

Interesting that 2023 is regarded as so unlikely. Assumption if he makes it past May he is set until the next election, and he will wait as long as possible for that?

Scott_xP

Mirza's letter appears to be key - sign of how bad things are that she needed to control the narrative and not get bundled into No10 version of events.

Story w/@alexwickham @e_casalicchio @EleniCourea
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1489358062695727107

ydoethur

All our days are 'numbered.' It's what they're numbered to that counts.

In Johnson's case, it's looking like days rather than weeks, but they've still been far too slow to act. He should have been ousted the day after North Shropshire declared.

MaxPB

On topic, I'd love to believe it but Tory MPs have collectively failed the nation. Their dithering will be remembered in 2024. The longer this continues the more inclined I am to vote against them and send them for a bout of opposition so they have a proper bloodletting and remember what serving the nation means.

Northern_Al

My favourite last line of a header, the portentous: And now we wait for Southend West.

How sad are we all - nobody ever had a life waiting for Southend West.

Scott_xP

More to come?

Beibheirli_C

Scott_xP said:

Mirza's letter appears to be key - sign of how bad things are that she needed to control the narrative and not get bundled into No10 version of events.

Story w/@alexwickham @e_casalicchio @EleniCourea
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1489358062695727107

She has worked for the clown for years. It is a bit late to be developing a conscience...

SeaShantyIrish2

Southend West By-Election Live Updates via Essex Live:

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/southend-west-election-live-updates-6593386

ThomasNashe

Dead man walking

kle4

Northern_Al said:

How sad are we all - nobody ever had a life waiting for Southend West.

Let's face it, that conclusion doesn;t come as a surprise.

Beibheirli_C said:

Scott_xP said:

Mirza's letter appears to be key - sign of how bad things are that she needed to control the narrative and not get bundled into No10 version of events.

Story w/@alexwickham @e_casalicchio @EleniCourea
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1489358062695727107

She has worked for the clown for years. It is a bit late to be developing a conscience...

Never too late for redemption.

ydoethur

ThomasNashe said:

Dead man walking

Well, hobbling anyway.

FrancisUrquhart

I wonder if in Southend West there had been a "RON" option how that would have turned out today?

Scott_xP

Now Chancellor Rishi Sunak takes a swing on Partygate and what would happen on "his watch"...

"We have always been the party of sound money — we will always continue to be on my watch — and that is the only kind of party I am interested in."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17540391/cost-of-living-rishi-sunak/

edmundintokyo

Cookie said:

I find it amazing that the odds of him leaving by April aren't much higher. I reckon it should be about evens at this stage.

Bear in mind the MPs who have to make the call don't get to just choose someone sane to replace him.

They'd have two candidates, one of whom would be chosen by the madest 1/3 or less of MP, and the choice would be made by people who are still members of the Conservative Party.

They could end up with JRM.

darkage

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

JBriskin3

FrancisUrquhart said:

I wonder if in Southend West there had been a "RON" option how that would have turned out today?

Re-Open Nominations newbies.

ThomasNashe

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Eabhal

Scott_xP said:

Now Chancellor Rishi Sunak takes a swing on Partygate and what would happen on "his watch"...

"We have always been the party of sound money — we will always continue to be on my watch — and that is the only kind of party I am interested in."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17540391/cost-of-living-rishi-sunak/

Just resign already.

This is like getting a dodgy mole. Don't fuck about, get the biopsy done.

Benpointer

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

SeaShantyIrish2

Beibheirli_C said:

Scott_xP said:

Mirza's letter appears to be key - sign of how bad things are that she needed to control the narrative and not get bundled into No10 version of events.

Story w/@alexwickham @e_casalicchio @EleniCourea
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1489358062695727107

She has worked for the clown for years. It is a bit late to be developing a conscience...

Without disparaging motives, methinks this well-timed resignation is less personal conscience than political calculation.

The second NOT precluding the first, mind you.

Benpointer

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

Yeah, sadly that seems most likely to me too.

FrancisUrquhart

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Benpointer

Made me laugh:

https://twitter.com/SoozUK/status/1489302056796135428?s=20&t=5yJkgLCkggLnYS5yYamx3U5DU1e1nPmEl6wz_Sl4IF0

Beibheirli_C

Four of Johnson's aides have now gone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60253231

Benpointer

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Lucky guess!

Anyone tried Nerdle?

https://nerdlegame.com

I quite like it. Should be right up the PB Coding Club's street.

LostPassword

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

You could do a phonetic version. I don't think I've heard of that one yet.

Foxy

Northern_Al said:

My favourite last line of a header, the portentous: And now we wait for Southend West.

How sad are we all - nobody ever had a life waiting for Southend West.

I can't think of Southend without thinking of this superb site, the Southend News Network:

https://m.facebook.com/southendnewsnetwork

In particular, this scoop of theirs later picked up by the national media:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/edl-falls-for-story-on-hot-cross-buns-without-crosses-published-on-spoof-news-site-southend-news-network-a6917276.html

kle4

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

FrancisUrquhart

Rishi knifes Boris (say the Currant Bun)

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489362479184596994?s=20&t=wLfgkt5eM6ekhb0hBHgkCQ

kle4

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Scott_xP said:

Mirza's letter appears to be key - sign of how bad things are that she needed to control the narrative and not get bundled into No10 version of events.

Story w/@alexwickham @e_casalicchio @EleniCourea
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/1489358062695727107

She has worked for the clown for years. It is a bit late to be developing a conscience...

Without disparaging motives, methinks this well-timed resignation is less personal conscience than political calculation.

The second NOT precluding the first, mind you.

All the more powerful an indicater if it is more about calculation.;

Applicant

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Lucky guess!

Anyone tried Nerdle?

https://nerdlegame.com

I quite like it. Should be right up the PB Coding Club's street.

Got my first 5 today after starting with three straight 6s. It's fun.

Peter_the_Punter

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

Benpointer

Beibheirli_C said:

Four of Johnson's aides have now gone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60253231

How long before Carrie is appointed Communications Director?

Benpointer

Applicant said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Lucky guess!

Anyone tried Nerdle?

https://nerdlegame.com

I quite like it. Should be right up the PB Coding Club's street.

Got my first 5 today after starting with three straight 6s. It's fun.

Started with a 5. Should have been a 4 but I made a schoolboy error. I reckon a 3 is going to be really tough

Scott_xP

It's still a bit banana era David Miliband. Flirting a little, not pulling the trigger.
https://twitter.com/theobertram/status/1489363815829487622
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1489360119326461953

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Scott_xP

MAIL: Meltdown in Downing Street #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396/photo/1

Benpointer

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Ooh er... the DM has well and truly turned.

SeaShantyIrish2

Question: How much sex do they really get in Southend of Essex? (West or East?)

Likely NOT quite as much as when Tom Driberg was MP for Maldon . . .

Gary_Burton

Anything less than 10000 votes tonight will be a 'bad' result for the Tories IMO.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489362479184596994?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

IanB2

edmundintokyo said:

Cookie said:

I find it amazing that the odds of him leaving by April aren't much higher. I reckon it should be about evens at this stage.

Bear in mind the MPs who have to make the call don't get to just choose someone sane to replace him.

They'd have two candidates, one of whom would be chosen by the madest 1/3 or less of MP, and the choice would be made by people who are still members of the Conservative Party.

They could end up with JRM.

No, they couldn’t

darkage

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

Heathener

Spot on, Mike

FrancisUrquhart

Benpointer said:

Beibheirli_C said:

Four of Johnson's aides have now gone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60253231

How long before Carrie is appointed Communications Director?

TBH it sounds like a times she was policy and comms director....

HYUFD

Gary_Burton said:

Anything less than 10000 votes tonight will be a 'bad' result for the Tories IMO.

They would be lucky to get 10,000 voters in total turning out, let alone all of them voting Tory

Peter_the_Punter

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

Is anybody?

pm215

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

I think you're probably right, but maybe it'll concentrate minds knowing that if he wins he's much harder to shift for a whole year? Rules out the "delay just a month or two until after the locals/until my preferred replacement is in a better position/in the hope things get better" default option they all have right now.

Heathener

Benpointer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Ooh er... the DM has well and truly turned.

This is really bad.

Takes me back to Black Wednesday which basically finished the Conservatives for a generation.

They should have removed him weeks ago. It may now be too late to save the brand.

Scott_xP

One week apart. https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1489364131899707400/photo/1
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1489364131899707400

darkage

Peter_the_Punter said:

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

Is anybody?

Well Boris did, and potentially could do so again.

SeaShantyIrish2

This is exciting! Awaiting both results from Southend West AND package from Land's End!

OR is it the other way around!?!?

FrancisUrquhart

Austria's parliament approves COVID-19 vaccine mandate for adults, with fines up to €3,600 ($4,117) for non-compliance

Heathener

Benpointer said:

Applicant said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Lucky guess!

Anyone tried Nerdle?

https://nerdlegame.com

I quite like it. Should be right up the PB Coding Club's street.

Got my first 5 today after starting with three straight 6s. It's fun.

Started with a 5. Should have been a 4 but I made a schoolboy error. I reckon a 3 is going to be really tough

I've played 7 times.

6 first time
5 second time
4 third time
followed by 3 four times in a row. I honestly find it really easy to picture the right word.

I don't think this game is about intelligence or vocabulary. It's about picture thinking. Well, that is a kind of intelligence but just one kind.

(Edit sorry I'm referring to Wordle)

CarlottaVance

Probably the only "one" at that....

One @10DowningStreet insider tells me the departures of Reynolds, Rosenfield & Doyle are a “deliberate distraction” to divert attention from Mirza’s principled decision over another @BorisJohnson unforced error. Mirza wasn't implicated in “partygate” after all

https://twitter.com/Mij_Europe/status/1489365313732890632?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Jonathan

In another universe, nothing much happened midway through Ed Millibands second term.

dixiedean

Benpointer said:

Applicant said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Lucky guess!

Anyone tried Nerdle?

https://nerdlegame.com

I quite like it. Should be right up the PB Coding Club's street.

Got my first 5 today after starting with three straight 6s. It's fun.

Started with a 5. Should have been a 4 but I made a schoolboy error. I reckon a 3 is going to be really tough

Got a 3 today.
Gutted that my streak ended at 5. Forgot to do it yesterday...

IanB2

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

But it’s academic if his reputation is trashed, and the purported electoral magic along with it (noting that many experts credit the win to Corbyn and the Brexit message rather than the clown’s juggling per se). It the becomes a question of best of the rest.

Benpointer

Heathener said:

Benpointer said:

Applicant said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Lucky guess!

Anyone tried Nerdle?

https://nerdlegame.com

I quite like it. Should be right up the PB Coding Club's street.

Got my first 5 today after starting with three straight 6s. It's fun.

Started with a 5. Should have been a 4 but I made a schoolboy error. I reckon a 3 is going to be really tough

I've played 7 times.

6 first time
5 second time
4 third time
followed by 3 four times in a row. I honestly find it really easy to picture the right word.

I don't think this game is about intelligence or vocabulary. It's about picture thinking. Well, that is a kind of intelligence but just one kind.

I'm talking about Nerdle not Wordle. Givie it a try: https://nerdlegame.com

HYUFD

Heathener said:

Benpointer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Ooh er... the DM has well and truly turned.

This is really bad.

Takes me back to Black Wednesday which basically finished the Conservatives for a generation.

They should have removed him weeks ago. It may now be too late to save the brand.

It was not Black Wednesday that finished the Tories for a generation, although it was a factor.

More Blair and New Labour being a credible centrist government and the fact the Tories had been in power for over 13 years by that time so the electoral cycle inevitably turned the other way.

If Starmer becomes PM and is crap at it the Tories will quickly go back ahead in the polls regardless of whether the Tories remove Boris now or not

Northern_Al

Tory MPs are being stupid in not wielding the knife. The thing is, even if Boris gets through the Mirza/Saville thing and the rest of this week, we just know that there'll be more coming next week, and the week after that. It won't stop now, he's doomed I think.

To paraphrase and misquote, if 'twere done, may as well do it quickly.

kle4

Did Sunak really 'knife' Boris? Feels like the press are more just trying to force a confrontation by making the question why hasn't Sunak been sacked for plotting.

Razedabode

HYUFD said:

Gary_Burton said:

Anything less than 10000 votes tonight will be a 'bad' result for the Tories IMO.

They would be lucky to get 10,000 voters in total turning out, let alone all of them voting Tory

HYUFD said:

Gary_Burton said:

Anything less than 10000 votes tonight will be a 'bad' result for the Tories IMO.

They would be lucky to get 10,000 voters in total turning out, let alone all of them voting Tory

Managing expectations already.. nice

CarlottaVance

Downing Street source: "There’s meant to be an all-staff meeting tomorrow. Assuming there are still any staff."

https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1489326498435805185?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Benpointer

This is a very interesting thread.

https://twitter.com/BosonHiccup/status/1489365212901822465?s=20&t=OX_9dbw-5AQY4gBH0MuxNg

It's all so bloody incestuous isn't it?

RochdalePioneers

Sunak truly is a conservative. He has looked at this and thought "what if I go too early?" - at risk his political career.

But now? If he *doesn't* go his career is done - he will be swept away with the boss. Sunak has said "I woudn't have said that" - so do something about it. BJ's decade plus adviser quitting and attacking the disgrace of the man is not him sweeping clean as is being spun.

The cost of living disaster. The NornIron disaster. The trade disaster. All need a new PM with the ability to John Major away the rank stupidity of the previous PM. But unless it happens quickly it will be too late.

kle4

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

No one will know until they try.

Much of the area was trending toward the Tories for a long time anyway. It's possible that may reverse, but hard evidence is hard to come by, but even if others wont appeal to them as well as Boris did (but may not be appealing now), simply not repelling them now might save a lot of seats, and save a majority.

darkage

pm215 said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

I think you're probably right, but maybe it'll concentrate minds knowing that if he wins he's much harder to shift for a whole year? Rules out the "delay just a month or two until after the locals/until my preferred replacement is in a better position/in the hope things get better" default option they all have right now.

Yeah maybe. But there are a lot of people who are uncertain. As partygate dies down, how are they going to be convinced? To my mind, partygate was as bad as it can get. They seem to be relying on more mistakes and poll calamities. But are we really going to see that? Seems to me like they are more likely to gravitate back to the status quo.

Heathener

HYUFD said:

Heathener said:

Benpointer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Ooh er... the DM has well and truly turned.

This is really bad.

Takes me back to Black Wednesday which basically finished the Conservatives for a generation.

They should have removed him weeks ago. It may now be too late to save the brand.

It was not Black Wednesday that finished the Tories for a generation, although it was a factor.

Wrong.

They lost the key indicator of trust on the economy. That finished them.

The irony of that is that the ejection from the ERM actually in due course paved the way for the boom years from which Blair profited.

But the tories never recovered from Black Wednesday.

Peter_the_Punter

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

Is anybody?

Well Boris did, and potentially could do so again.

You think he could sell them a pup twice?

rottenborough

This is the end now.

He's gone.

RochdalePioneers

Boris on Channel 5 News not apologising - "all I have said" followed by a lengthy lie about what he said - twice - and that smirk again...

Beibheirli_C

Heathener said:

Benpointer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Ooh er... the DM has well and truly turned.

This is really bad.

Takes me back to Black Wednesday which basically finished the Conservatives for a generation.

They should have removed him weeks ago. It may now be too late to save the brand.

We can always hope

Heathener

HYUFD said:

Heathener said:

Benpointer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Ooh er... the DM has well and truly turned.

This is really bad.

Takes me back to Black Wednesday which basically finished the Conservatives for a generation.

They should have removed him weeks ago. It may now be too late to save the brand.

It was not Black Wednesday

More Blair

Tony Blair didn't become Labour leader until 2 years after Black Wednesday.

As they sing on the terraces, 'if y'know your history ...'

kle4

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489362479184596994?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

I'm confused why the story is so big it needs covering on pages 1,2,4,5, but not page 3. I don't know what the Sun puts on page 3 now.

Benpointer

CarlottaVance said:

Downing Street source: "There’s meant to be an all-staff meeting tomorrow. Assuming there are still any staff."

https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1489326498435805185?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Just Dilyn and Larry probably.

Oops no, Larry's gone

“I quit; everyone else is resigning and I don’t want to get stuck here with just Boris Johnson”

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1489311978040532992?s=20&t=7XLtiflKle8BKlUM5aHXHQ

Scott_xP

Downing Street officials say Johnson views chancellor Rishi Sunak, a potential leadership rival, with growing distrust…

https://www.ft.com/content/dffdd8b9-f3c1-48f2-aee0-ace4fe0cfa19

MaxPB

rottenborough said:

This is the end now.

He's gone.

If only.

LostPassword

Heathener said:

Benpointer said:

Applicant said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Lucky guess!

Anyone tried Nerdle?

https://nerdlegame.com

I quite like it. Should be right up the PB Coding Club's street.

Got my first 5 today after starting with three straight 6s. It's fun.

Started with a 5. Should have been a 4 but I made a schoolboy error. I reckon a 3 is going to be really tough

I've played 7 times.

6 first time
5 second time
4 third time
followed by 3 four times in a row. I honestly find it really easy to picture the right word.

I don't think this game is about intelligence or vocabulary. It's about picture thinking. Well, that is a kind of intelligence but just one kind.

(Edit sorry I'm referring to Wordle)

It's about fun!

I've noticed people talk about the optimal words to start with, and that just seems dull. There are so many five letter words and some of them can be good fun. One morning I was thinking of Boris Johnson, so I started with the word "LOSER". Today my first guess was "PRANG" - because really it's a word that doesn't get used enough.

kle4

RochdalePioneers said:

Boris on Channel 5 News not apologising - "all I have said" followed by a lengthy lie about what he said - twice - and that smirk again...

A 'nothing has changed' statement then? He really is reaching the endgame like May.

HYUFD

kle4 said:

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

No one will know until they try.

Much of the area was trending toward the Tories for a long time anyway. It's possible that may reverse, but hard evidence is hard to come by, but even if others wont appeal to them as well as Boris did (but may not be appealing now), simply not repelling them now might save a lot of seats, and save a majority.

Most of the redwall is probably gone back to Labour now anyway.

Sunak at best could scrape a narrow majority a la Major 1992, more likely he would win most seats in a hung parliament but Starmer still becomes PM with SNP and LD support

rottenborough

Scott_xP said:

Downing Street officials say Johnson views chancellor Rishi Sunak, a potential leadership rival, with growing distrust…

https://www.ft.com/content/dffdd8b9-f3c1-48f2-aee0-ace4fe0cfa19

Genuine fecking massive

noneoftheabove

Benpointer said:

This is a very interesting thread.

https://twitter.com/BosonHiccup/status/1489365212901822465?s=20&t=OX_9dbw-5AQY4gBH0MuxNg

It's all so bloody incestuous isn't it?

Right, time for a political maverick to rail against this metropolitan political elite?

RochdalePioneers

kle4 said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489362479184596994?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

I'm confused why the story is so big it needs covering on pages 1,2,4,5, but not page 3. I don't know what the Sun puts on page 3 now.

Tits!

A big picture of a smirking Bozza at Starr Gate tram depot making the Saville disgrace even worse.

Peter_the_Punter

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunak truly is a conservative. He has looked at this and thought "what if I go too early?" - at risk his political career.

But now? If he *doesn't* go his career is done - he will be swept away with the boss. Sunak has said "I woudn't have said that" - so do something about it. BJ's decade plus adviser quitting and attacking the disgrace of the man is not him sweeping clean as is being spun.

The cost of living disaster. The NornIron disaster. The trade disaster. All need a new PM with the ability to John Major away the rank stupidity of the previous PM. But unless it happens quickly it will be too late.

Sunak has definitely lifted his head above the parapet. He has to go full on for it now.

kjh

Applicant said:

Benpointer said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Benpointer said:

MrBristol said:

El_Capitano said:

Benpointer said:

Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?

Is there one platform/language that can cover both?

Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.

If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.

It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.

I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.

I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).

Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms

MrB

FPT just to say:

Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.

I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...

Oh...

Sounds rubbish, will never catch on. Did I say I got today's Wordle in 2.....

Lucky guess!

Anyone tried Nerdle?

https://nerdlegame.com

I quite like it. Should be right up the PB Coding Club's street.

Got my first 5 today after starting with three straight 6s. It's fun.

Done in 3, but being my first go I struggled to just start by getting something that added up filling exactly the number of boxes!!! Spacial awareness not my forte.

Heathener

Heathener said:

HYUFD said:

Heathener said:

Benpointer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Ooh er... the DM has well and truly turned.

This is really bad.

Takes me back to Black Wednesday which basically finished the Conservatives for a generation.

They should have removed him weeks ago. It may now be too late to save the brand.

It was not Black Wednesday

More Blair

Tony Blair didn't become Labour leader until 2 years after Black Wednesday.

As they sing on the terraces, 'if y'know your history ...'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_election#1992

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_election#1993

But I don't expect you to admit you got it wrong (again) HY. You take after your dear leader.

SeaShantyIrish2

Benpointer said:

CarlottaVance said:

Downing Street source: "There’s meant to be an all-staff meeting tomorrow. Assuming there are still any staff."

https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1489326498435805185?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Just Dilyn and Larry probably.

Oops no, Larry's gone

“I quit; everyone else is resigning and I don’t want to get stuck here with just Boris Johnson”

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1489311978040532992?s=20&t=7XLtiflKle8BKlUM5aHXHQ

Say what you will, but based on published pix Dilyn is Boris's best friend: eager young pup & loyal Little Dog.

EDIT - Personally willing to kick Boris (repeatedly albeit rhetorically) but NOT his dog.

Benpointer

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

No one will know until they try.

Much of the area was trending toward the Tories for a long time anyway. It's possible that may reverse, but hard evidence is hard to come by, but even if others wont appeal to them as well as Boris did (but may not be appealing now), simply not repelling them now might save a lot of seats, and save a majority.

Most of the redwall is probably gone back to Labour now anyway.

Sunak at best could scrape a narrow majority a la Major 1992, more likely he would win most seats in a hung parliament but Starmer still becomes PM with SNP and LD support

Where did it all go so terribly wrong for your golden boy Bozza?

Anabobazina

People ask, “how will we know when the pandemic is over?”

Perhaps the answer is when Question Time removes its glass screens?

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‘It feels like the end, it’s all falling apart,’ said one

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Westminster febrile tonight…
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1489369098991591426
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489365926495592456

HYUFD

Heathener said:

Heathener said:

HYUFD said:

Heathener said:

Benpointer said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1489363139783184396?s=20&t=eGUeRvVYIzcHj2P1uJ1aQA

Ooh er... the DM has well and truly turned.

This is really bad.

Takes me back to Black Wednesday which basically finished the Conservatives for a generation.

They should have removed him weeks ago. It may now be too late to save the brand.

It was not Black Wednesday

More Blair

Tony Blair didn't become Labour leader until 2 years after Black Wednesday.

As they sing on the terraces, 'if y'know your history ...'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_election#1992

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_election#1993

But I don't expect you to admit you got it wrong (again) HY. You take after your dear leader.

First Gallup poll after Black Wednesday, Labour 42% Conservatives 37%.

First Gallup poll after Blair became Labour leader, Labour 56% Conservatives 23%.

Thanks for proving my point

eek

Benpointer said:

HYUFD said:

kle4 said:

darkage said:

Peter_the_Punter said:

kle4 said:

ThomasNashe said:

darkage said:

I think the most likely outcome is that he survives the vote of confidence (if we get that far) and he and goes on for another year. If they are struggling to get 54 letters in how are they going to get 100+ more MPs to vote to remove him? When will be the 'right' time? He will just limp on.

It’s a secret ballot.

Yes, but there seems an assumption that once the trigger is pulled a majority will go for it, on the basis of them being 'hostile' or whatever, but look what happened with May - sure, she went eventually, but the threshold being reached didn't mean a majority rose up when given the chance.

She probably had fewer enemies than Boris.

I've said before that there is a deep fear on the part of the PCP of replacing him - because their survival as a party is down to what he achieved in 2019. The appeal of Truss and Sunak is pretty shallow, are they really going to win in the red wall?

No one will know until they try.

Much of the area was trending toward the Tories for a long time anyway. It's possible that may reverse, but hard evidence is hard to come by, but even if others wont appeal to them as well as Boris did (but may not be appealing now), simply not repelling them now might save a lot of seats, and save a majority.

Most of the redwall is probably gone back to Labour now anyway.

Sunak at best could scrape a narrow majority a la Major 1992, more likely he would win most seats in a hung parliament but Starmer still becomes PM with SNP and LD support

Where did it all go so terribly wrong for your golden boy Bozza?

if we are talking Red Wall - HS2 was the biggie (regardless of it not directly impacting us) as it said all the money being promised for levelling up was a lie.

kle4

noneoftheabove said:

Benpointer said:

This is a very interesting thread.

https://twitter.com/BosonHiccup/status/1489365212901822465?s=20&t=OX_9dbw-5AQY4gBH0MuxNg

It's all so bloody incestuous isn't it?

Right, time for a political maverick to rail against this metropolitan political elite?

No thanks, though it is a good reminder that for all the occasional similarities (especially recently), Boris is really not like Trump in one respect, in that he is thoroughly part of that political elite establisment, even if he still attempts (with some success) to pitch against such. He has still been more 'normal'. Hopefully he remains so when he is finally removed.