If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
And as stated, the idea of you were a pro then you become a coach / manager is going out of the window, especially with highly technique analytical games like NFL. Its a totally different skillset and one you need to develop instead of playing for 10-15 years.
So why aren't black people following that route?
It sounds as if the issue is upstream, if a seperate stream gets deviated into coaching at college or high school level. Perhaps something similar for association football.
If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
I think there is an issue in soccer. Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney walked straight in to quite good jobs. Sol Campbell had go to Macclesfield.
But, where managers are getting to the top through working their way up, it’s the same as in the NFL. Graham Potter didn’t get the Brighton job because he is white. Whether or not it helped him earlier in his career, I don’t know.
If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
And Python is to scripting what Radiohead is to music.
I had done a few things in Python out of curiousity more than anything else and I can see how the massive choice of code libraries that exist can be really, really useful, but I found the language itself to be really clunky like having to pass "self" as a parameter in member functions, or the complete omission of arrays when they went to the trouble of having lists, dictionaries, sets and tuples.
I had assumed that the language would be "quirk" free. Then I moved from Python 2.7 to Python 3 and Oh My God!!!!! Everything just broke.
Hang on though, could I code in Python and have a working* App pop out the other end?
It's a scripting language right?
(*once I'd spent ages getting rid of the bugs obvs)
If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
I think there is an issue in soccer. Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney walked straight in to quite good jobs. Sol Campbell had go to Macclesfield.
But, where managers are getting to the top through working their way up, it’s the same as in the NFL. Graham Potter didn’t get the Brighton job because he is white. Whether or not it helped him earlier in his career, I don’t know.
Didn't he make his name taking a team from the Swedish 6th division into Europe?
Edit. Fourth Division. He also has a master's degree. Rare for an ex-footballer.
As we are doing tech stuff (so scared everyone else away)
Corey Quinn @QuinnyPig Wild that @awscloud is now a $70 billion annual run rate business. But don't worry, AWS employee friends; the market cares not a whit how well you perform your jobs.
GCP is approaching $20bn ARR from a standing stars a few years ago. It's incredible how much the big three have come to dominate cloud services so totally.
It always make me chuckle when people say Google Cloud is losing, how many businesses ever grow as fast as that? Basically none.
Indeed, one of the group subsidiaries is on a complete AWS stack right now and it's been interesting watching from a distance as AWS are giving gigantic discounts to hold on to them now that the rest of the company has started the big shift over to GCP. I was shocked as to how much more money GCP is compared to AWS, yet GCP keeps on trucking and growing.
I think what a lot of people miss is that all of the big web services companies are a hell of a lot less hassle than doing it in-house for most companies. Providing they aren't outrageously expensive they are worth it for most of their customers. It's not even vastly different from the computer services businesses of the past, apart from there being little to nothing on-premises. In some respects "the cloud" isn't as new as people think, it really is a reformation of lessons that businesses learnt in the 60s and 70s. i.e. Get someone who knows what they are doing to do it.
It’s easy to watch from afar and criticise the lack of quality among MPs - but there’s an increasingly small number of people willing to put themselves up for such public scrutiny, especially given that most of them can lead equally lucrative and private lives away from the spotlight.
You have to be politically motivated, in which case it's mostly water off a duck's back. I had lots of friendly posts, a moderate amount of abuse, a small amount of obscene abuse and a single death threat - overall it was fine, and the nasty bits were a minor price for the chance to influence national policy in what I felt to be a positive direction. But if it had just been a way of earning a living? Hell no.
The people who get put off - and this is a serious loss - are the "public servant" types, who don't have strong opinions, but would like to help run the country well. The traditional Conservative Party was particularly strong in those, but Labour and LibDems had a good many too - typically from local council backgrounds. If you populate Parliament exclusively with people (like me) who have strong views and want radical change, you turn up the temperature of politics and risk getting characters who hate the other side (unlike me). You need a mixture of passionate reformers and steady public servants. You don't IMO really need anyone who just thinks it's a job like any other.
I think it has got a lot worse since you left parliament, though, not least because of the effect of social media and the general increase in polarisation of politics. The problem is especially bad for women MPs, and even worse for ethnic minority women MPs, but it's bad for all MPs now.
Its not just what people write on social media about you, its even if you are "off the clock" and some twat always has a camera phone ready to film absolutely anything you do. This is true for anybody in the public eye and I can't imagine it is a particularly good for you mental health.
I personally would never "volunteer" myself for something like that.
I remember once riffling through the papers in a newsagent in central Nottingham (miles away from my constituency) and my eye being caught by some sex story in the Sun. The man standing next to me guffawed and said "Ha, that's what our MP reads, eh?" I smiled vaguely and turned away but yes, it was a goldfish bowl moment. Another time a woman leant over when I was sitting on the bus and said "You're one of those dirty bastards in Parliament, aren't you?"
Social media was warming up then too, and I got 100+ emails a day, some of them nasty. But the overwhelming majority were warm, friendly and/or interesting, and I lost count of the number of times that people came up in the street or the supermarket to thank me for something - even after I'd left Parliament. I don't think it's changed all that much, judging by the local social media and by what MPs who I know tell me.
I'm sure that Richard is right about disgusting abuse to women MPs and minorities in particular, and social media does empower the misogynists and racists out there to get in one's face. But it's just a mistake to think that it's not a rewarding job. 4 days a week you're in with a chance to influence the future of 70 million people. 3 days a week you're able to help individuals and often make a visible difference to their lives. How many MPs stand down voluntarily before they reach 70 or so? Not many. It's still a hugely satisfying way to spend your time.
Interesting, eloquent and enlightening
My god, what is happening to PB? The imminent fall of Boris is turning us all into pathetic, amiable weeds
I hope the normal service of vituperative and unnecessary nastiness returns soon
Sorry to hear about the tough time you’ve been through mate. Chin up fella you’ll be fine. You’ll find some crazy woman who sorts you out. I managed it and if an emotionally stunted idiot like me can pull it off it’ll be a piece of piss for you.
Ach, thanks, but I’m pretty much fine now. I miss my ex, but I also miss really old fashioned bacon sandwiches on white bread with salty butter and white pepper and malt vinegar. I do not repine
I still have a lovely life and I am absurdly lucky in that, compared to 9999% of humanity; I have kids (troublesome but adored); I have good friends; I have interesting projects; I have a consoling if weird faith; amazingly, (touch wood, touch wood) despite my debauches, I also have health, for now
All I want is a regular squeeze. Some funny petite woman a bit nearer my age who likes wine and sun and cynical jokes
Decades ago I had a friend who had to write his research programs in machine code as the main Univ of Bristol computer was an Elliott 503. Smart phones can do MUCH more now.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
And Python is to scripting what Radiohead is to music.
I had done a few things in Python out of curiousity more than anything else and I can see how the massive choice of code libraries that exist can be really, really useful, but I found the language itself to be really clunky like having to pass "self" as a parameter in member functions, or the complete omission of arrays when they went to the trouble of having lists, dictionaries, sets and tuples.
I had assumed that the language would be "quirk" free. Then I moved from Python 2.7 to Python 3 and Oh My God!!!!! Everything just broke.
Hang on though, could I code in Python and have a working* App pop out the other end?
(*once I'd spent ages getting rid of the bugs obvs)
Not really. I mean I guess you could but it would be a really rubbish way of doing it. Python is a scripting language more than it is programming IMO. Great for people like me who want to process huge amounts of data, not so great for people who want to create a cool programme that looks nice and does funky stuff.
For mobile apps I'd look at Flutter as mentioned by a few other people.
Decades ago I had a friend who had to write his research programs in machine code as the main Univ of Bristol computer was an Elliott 503. Smart phones can do MUCH more now.
The phone in your pocket could quite happily be used to do stuff that the DOE used to spend millions and millions of dollars on supercomputers to do.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
And Python is to scripting what Radiohead is to music.
I had done a few things in Python out of curiousity more than anything else and I can see how the massive choice of code libraries that exist can be really, really useful, but I found the language itself to be really clunky like having to pass "self" as a parameter in member functions, or the complete omission of arrays when they went to the trouble of having lists, dictionaries, sets and tuples.
I had assumed that the language would be "quirk" free. Then I moved from Python 2.7 to Python 3 and Oh My God!!!!! Everything just broke.
Hang on though, could I code in Python and have a working* App pop out the other end?
(*once I'd spent ages getting rid of the bugs obvs)
Not really. I mean I guess you could but it would be a really rubbish way of doing it. Python is a scripting language more than it is programming IMO. Great for people like me who want to process huge amounts of data, not so great for people who want to create a cool programme that looks nice and does funky stuff.
For mobile apps I'd look at Flutter as mentioned by a few other people.
There are various ways to develop mobile apps using python, but they're mostly massive hacks.
If you want to develop a mobile app, and prefer dynamically typed, scripty, languages, then I would recommend React Native. (Which users JavaScript/typescript)
If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
I think there is an issue in soccer. Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney walked straight in to quite good jobs. Sol Campbell had go to Macclesfield.
But, where managers are getting to the top through working their way up, it’s the same as in the NFL. Graham Potter didn’t get the Brighton job because he is white. Whether or not it helped him earlier in his career, I don’t know.
Gerrard, I am not sure Liverpool U18 and Rangers is a "top job". Lampard, definitely it was the flawed club legend thing combined with the fact he is supposed to be highly intelligent. Rooney getting hired by County Derby was a joke by a club run like a joke, but he was there when the shit hit the fan.
I notice that today Ashley Cole has been hired for Everton.
One big problem with football is the nepotism of if you fire a manager, you fire like 10 other staff who are is "gang", and then they all follow each other around. And if you want to hire such and such, you have to hire all his guys, even if you have good people already.
One thing I noticed that Chelsea did different was they never got rid of Steve Holland before he went to England role.
It’s worth noting that whatever the question about Britain’s state, Rishi is not the answer.
He’s a fully paid up Treasury stooge who thinks levelling up is a waste of time.
But he’s more impressive than Boris. If I was Keir I’d be a bit concerned.
there isn't any Tory that is going to spend money levelling up - that's the problem. It's going to take a Labour party willing to look at Treasury models and destroy the appalling foundations they are built on.
Unfortunately the people who understand that earn £100,000+ way more than the Treasury fools you currently use the models and don't see the flaws or missing factors.
Hint for anyone reading infrastructure sometimes needs to be built because it solves problems.
Funny how we agree violently on this but (IIRC) disagree equally violently on immigration.
Don't think I've ever commented on immigration that much.
Were I to do so my only comment would be you allow skilled workers into the country (using a sane minimum pay level well above the average wage) and ensure that you don't allow unskilled / low paid workers in.
Sadly we can't use the tricks other European countries could use (native language tests) because everyone speaks English better than you typical English native.
It is worth noting that the most successful economies in the world - places like Switzerland and Singapore - have done such a good job upskilling their own citizens, that it is unskilled labour that their economies demand.
Both also have populations of less than 5% and have low tax so long attracted high net worth residents and financial services.
Both are also expensive to live in, so also limiting the attraction for the non high skilled and non high paid
Wait: the UK has a population of more than 172 million people???
Wow.
More seriously, let me turn the question around. Would you rather your child was educated to the level where they could be a well paid software engineer? Or would you rather they decided that we needed to have more people who were only skilled to clean toilets?
In 95% of countries the average citizen is not going to be able to be educated to be a well paid software engineer. For starters as there are only so many well paid software engineer jobs to go round globally.
We will also still need some people to clean the toilets
Show me someone who can think logically through a problem (yes, I know that automatically excludes you) and I will be able to find them a job paying more well above the average wage tomorrow and after a bit of time and experience easily £60k+
The world doesn't have a shortage of well paid software engineer jobs, there is insatiable demand for software engineers, the world has a shorter of people able to write software.
Give us a job mate
I used to work in IT. I left uni with an unrelated degree in 96, and applied for several graduate training schemes. Normally the selection process included an aptitude test, which suited me pretty well - always liked puzzles, and scored very highly. Ended up getting a job as a programmer, and my career... went nowhere much. I ended up at a large retailer doing mainframe cobol programming. I was paid ok. In the early noughties my pay was in the mid-20s. But then IT salaries seemed to stagnate and more and more jobs were outsourced to India. My job became teaching Indians how to do my job so they could go back to India and do it more cheaply. IT appeared to be going nowhere, so I changed careers. It seemed a very hard career to get anywhere in. Any skills you had weren't the skills they were looking for. No-one doing pure IT was all that well paid: you had to go into management to move up the pay grades. Maybe it's changed in the last decade, or maybe I was just unlucky.
I think you have a combination of being very unlucky (Cobol, but if you relearn it the money is great because some banks can't remove their core systems that are built on it) but equally it's a matter of attitude.
The programming language isn't that important what is important is knowing how to deconstruct the problem to be able to program a solution for it.
I'd also add - the attitude that a new technology you haven't seen before is *an opportunity for fun*
Yes, I find it quite strange how software is pushed to nephews & nieces of mine as a sort of well paid backup job that is dead easy to learn.
I think coding itself pretty straightforward, but only really if you take some enjoyment in the process of learning.
If you enjoying being stuck in a hole you have dug yourself into and working out the solution it is great. If not, then it can be a lonely experience. I watched my sister get persuaded into a coding job (via an MSc). She absolutely hated it and it generally made her miserable. It really isn't for everyone.
Consistent learning and enjoying puzzle is vital.
The other thing is how little coding actually happens, it is mostly testing, requirements, planning, infra, config - everything but the code.
If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
I think there is an issue in soccer. Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney walked straight in to quite good jobs. Sol Campbell had go to Macclesfield.
But, where managers are getting to the top through working their way up, it’s the same as in the NFL. Graham Potter didn’t get the Brighton job because he is white. Whether or not it helped him earlier in his career, I don’t know.
Didn't he make his name taking a team from the Swedish 6th division into Europe?
Edit. Fourth Division. He also has a master's degree. Rare for an ex-footballer.
The Ostersunds story turned out to be dodgy as ****! From wiki:
On 17 April 2018, club chairman (also the director of football) Daniel Kindberg was taken into custody by the Swedish Economic Crime Authority, suspected on probable cause of serious fraud and for assisting in serious gross accounting violations. Together with two other people, Kindberg is suspected of submitting false invoices in several companies, according to the prosecutor. Several of these companies have strong ties to Östersunds FK and the club's sponsorship deals. Several years before, in 2014, Kindberg was subject to criticism when Östersundshem, the municipal housing company where he was the CEO, became a big sponsor of Östersunds FK.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
Decades ago I had a friend who had to write his research programs in machine code as the main Univ of Bristol computer was an Elliott 503. Smart phones can do MUCH more now.
The phone in your pocket could quite happily be used to do stuff that the DOE used to spend millions and millions of dollars on supercomputers to do.
At MIT ( to some extent leading the way) in the 60s they had their main computer in a very large sealed room. The PC in front of me could probably run rings around it.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
And Python is to scripting what Radiohead is to music.
I had done a few things in Python out of curiousity more than anything else and I can see how the massive choice of code libraries that exist can be really, really useful, but I found the language itself to be really clunky like having to pass "self" as a parameter in member functions, or the complete omission of arrays when they went to the trouble of having lists, dictionaries, sets and tuples.
I had assumed that the language would be "quirk" free. Then I moved from Python 2.7 to Python 3 and Oh My God!!!!! Everything just broke.
Hang on though, could I code in Python and have a working* App pop out the other end?
It's a scripting language right?
(*once I'd spent ages getting rid of the bugs obvs)
If you thought of Python as "BASIC with classes and libraries" then would would not be a million miles away from a fair start on the "Pythonic" method to doing things. It has that same immediacy, an almost instant feedback that took me back to my pre-compiler days. I could see the attraction but I have nothing I actually want to code in it for. My dabbling was code for someone else and when it was done I was done with Python.
If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
I think there is an issue in soccer. Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney walked straight in to quite good jobs. Sol Campbell had go to Macclesfield.
But, where managers are getting to the top through working their way up, it’s the same as in the NFL. Graham Potter didn’t get the Brighton job because he is white. Whether or not it helped him earlier in his career, I don’t know.
Viera seems to be doing a good job at Palace, but didn't drop straight in as manager.
Shocking penalties by Cameroon. Well drilled for Egypt.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
You need a better IDE
I use Vim.
Ah, a member of the masochistic coding community....
Getting a computer to count your indents (or brackets) is a much better IDEA.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
Ha ha ha...
You said "python" in the same sentence as "write ... code"
Didn't you mean "write untested kiddy scripts" ?
I've seen some very serious systems developed in python. Just because it can be used to hack things together in five minutes, doesn't mean it can't be used to build big robust systems.
If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
I think there is an issue in soccer. Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney walked straight in to quite good jobs. Sol Campbell had go to Macclesfield.
But, where managers are getting to the top through working their way up, it’s the same as in the NFL. Graham Potter didn’t get the Brighton job because he is white. Whether or not it helped him earlier in his career, I don’t know.
Viera seems to be doing a good job at Palace, but didn't drop straight in as manager.
Shocking penalties by Cameroon. Well drilled for Egypt.
Vieira pretty much straight away transitioned to coaching the elite development programme for Man City. That isn't really any different from Gerrard at Liverpool.
Vincent Kompany has gone a similar route with Anderlecht.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
It's almost like Guido didn't have the {} symbols on his keyboard.
Guido? PERL was created by Larry Wall
Guido wrote Python and Python uses indents for syntax separation rather than saner characters.
Perl just loved the $ symbol.
I had it in my head that Python was created by a Japanese person, but I suspect that I was thinking of Ruby
As we are doing tech stuff (so scared everyone else away)
Corey Quinn @QuinnyPig Wild that @awscloud is now a $70 billion annual run rate business. But don't worry, AWS employee friends; the market cares not a whit how well you perform your jobs.
GCP is approaching $20bn ARR from a standing stars a few years ago. It's incredible how much the big three have come to dominate cloud services so totally.
It always make me chuckle when people say Google Cloud is losing, how many businesses ever grow as fast as that? Basically none.
Indeed, one of the group subsidiaries is on a complete AWS stack right now and it's been interesting watching from a distance as AWS are giving gigantic discounts to hold on to them now that the rest of the company has started the big shift over to GCP. I was shocked as to how much more money GCP is compared to AWS, yet GCP keeps on trucking and growing.
PythonAnywhere is built on AWS. (And hosts hundreds of thousands of concurrent python apps.)
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
As we are doing tech stuff (so scared everyone else away)
Corey Quinn @QuinnyPig Wild that @awscloud is now a $70 billion annual run rate business. But don't worry, AWS employee friends; the market cares not a whit how well you perform your jobs.
GCP is approaching $20bn ARR from a standing stars a few years ago. It's incredible how much the big three have come to dominate cloud services so totally.
It always make me chuckle when people say Google Cloud is losing, how many businesses ever grow as fast as that? Basically none.
Indeed, one of the group subsidiaries is on a complete AWS stack right now and it's been interesting watching from a distance as AWS are giving gigantic discounts to hold on to them now that the rest of the company has started the big shift over to GCP. I was shocked as to how much more money GCP is compared to AWS, yet GCP keeps on trucking and growing.
PythonAnywhere is built on AWS. (And hosts hundreds of thousands of concurrent python apps.)
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
You need a better IDE
I use Vim.
Of course you do. It is your penance for Radiohead
Spinning hard enough to power a small city tonight...
One Johnson confidante: "This the clearout ... there are others who have to go too. Boris can hang on but he's got to move the dial ... if he's going to move on he's got to clear the decks." https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1489355982853521419
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
You need a better IDE
I use Vim.
Why?!
I'm my case - I know the keyboard shortcuts I need by heart.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
And Python is to scripting what Radiohead is to music.
I had done a few things in Python out of curiousity more than anything else and I can see how the massive choice of code libraries that exist can be really, really useful, but I found the language itself to be really clunky like having to pass "self" as a parameter in member functions, or the complete omission of arrays when they went to the trouble of having lists, dictionaries, sets and tuples.
I had assumed that the language would be "quirk" free. Then I moved from Python 2.7 to Python 3 and Oh My God!!!!! Everything just broke.
Hang on though, could I code in Python and have a working* App pop out the other end?
(*once I'd spent ages getting rid of the bugs obvs)
Not really. I mean I guess you could but it would be a really rubbish way of doing it. Python is a scripting language more than it is programming IMO. Great for people like me who want to process huge amounts of data, not so great for people who want to create a cool programme that looks nice and does funky stuff.
For mobile apps I'd look at Flutter as mentioned by a few other people.
Flutter has become a lot more mature in the last 2 years. I first built my app at the start of 2020. A lot of fairly basic stuff I had to use unofficial libraries to achieve. Now almost all of it is baked in.
Someone also a few weeks ago asked for a web version of my App. With Flutter it took a day of making a few minor tweaks to my code to address some usability issues on the web but that was it. It is now live on the web and working well.
I believe the process is now similar to make Apps targeting Windows, Linux and Mac OS too. Not tried it yet though.
If race is an issue, it's no good looking at the NFL. It's far too late. The place to look is high schools and colleges.
I know this was not the main point, but 70% of players are black? That seems amazingly high.
At the dawn of professional football in America, there were disproportionate numbers of men from immigrant, working-class backgrounds. Why? Because it was a way that a kid with little education and fewer prospects BUT with exceptional athletic talent could rise in the world. PROVIDED they could cope with the grueling physical and other demands.
In the past half-century or so, starting with the desegregation of professional sport in the USA, this imperative has shifted, away from Whites from non-WASP backgrounds, to Blacks (and also Latinos) who come from similar hard-scramble origins.
What has been true in the NFL, which has changed some what over the past 10 years, but some suggestion still an issue (of all the leagues in US sports, the head coaches in particular have been slower than other sports to embrace the data driven approach) is that there is an issue of some racial stereotyping in relation to positions has also been going on.
QB / Tight End - White RB / Wide Receivers - Black
Should be noted that currently best QB is black and the best WR is white.
At the African Cup of Nations, the only white people on view are the coaches and managers. Not for all teams.
I am not sure your point?
Just that it isn't just a Gridiron issue.
I am still not sure of your point. We were talking about a racial profile for dedicated positions in the game. African nations choosing a white coach, its because most international teams are looking to hire somebody with a fantastic excellent track record coaching in the top leagues e.g. Egypt has Carlos Queiroz, ex Portugal (and a load of other international teams and of course Man Utd assistant.
Its why England hired a load of foreign managers.
This is how the conversation started:
The NFL currently has just one Black head coach in Mike Tomlin. One, despite 70% of NFL players being Black.
There are now a few black coaches and managers in the EPL, but still quite unusual considering the number of black players. Few black match officials either.
Quite why black players don't get into management positions is something that I notice but cannot explain.
And as stated, the idea of you were a pro then you become a coach / manager is going out of the window, especially with highly technique analytical games like NFL. Its a totally different skillset and one you need to develop instead of playing for 10-15 years.
So why aren't black people following that route?
It sounds as if the issue is upstream, if a seperate stream gets deviated into coaching at college or high school level. Perhaps something similar for association football.
On ESPN (which I listen to sometimes in the wee hours as partial cure for insomnia) consensus seems to be, that critical factor is that owners of NFL teams want "people who look like them" and who they feel comfortable with, for these top jobs, which in many if not most cases put the head coach in close proximity with team owners.
Think that point you've made re: separation of coaching from playing tracks, which in US football mostly occurs at college level (natural starting point for pro players and coaches) may also be a factor. Though still plenty of Black coaches in NCAA & NFL . . . just NOT at top of the pyramid.
Note that many of the predominately White sports journos on ESPN and etc. on this side of the Atlantic (and Pacific) commenting on the Brian Flores lawsuit versus NFL are obviously pretty conservative in their politics. Yet nearly all of the ones I hear on the radio are siding with him, based on what they know personally as former players and/or experienced reporters.
Two things stand out regarding Flores lawsuit: > he is asking the courts for broad injunctive relief NOT personal monetary settlement. > his accusation that he was offered bribe by Miami Dolphins owner to tank his own team has truly lit a raging fire under the ass of every half-serious football player AND fan in the USA.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
Spinning hard enough to power a small city tonight...
One Johnson confidante: "This the clearout ... there are others who have to go too. Boris can hang on but he's got to move the dial ... if he's going to move on he's got to clear the decks." https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1489355982853521419
I did say a week or two ago that Boris would look for scapegoats to sacrifice in order to save his phoney-baloney job.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
You need a better IDE
I use Vim.
Why?!
Actually, I don't anymore. Like you, I've found myself seduced by VS Code.
In the old days, I had Vim so configured it could literally do everything, with a separate window showing real time test status at each save.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
Ha ha ha...
You said "python" in the same sentence as "write ... code"
Didn't you mean "write untested kiddy scripts" ?
I've seen some very serious systems developed in python. Just because it can be used to hack things together in five minutes, doesn't mean it can't be used to build big robust systems.
The problem is the Python.... developers... who seem to think that "test" is a dirty word. Also "structure".
Neither are dirty words. Crevice is a dirty word...
As we are doing tech stuff (so scared everyone else away)
Corey Quinn @QuinnyPig Wild that @awscloud is now a $70 billion annual run rate business. But don't worry, AWS employee friends; the market cares not a whit how well you perform your jobs.
GCP is approaching $20bn ARR from a standing stars a few years ago. It's incredible how much the big three have come to dominate cloud services so totally.
It always make me chuckle when people say Google Cloud is losing, how many businesses ever grow as fast as that? Basically none.
Indeed, one of the group subsidiaries is on a complete AWS stack right now and it's been interesting watching from a distance as AWS are giving gigantic discounts to hold on to them now that the rest of the company has started the big shift over to GCP. I was shocked as to how much more money GCP is compared to AWS, yet GCP keeps on trucking and growing.
PythonAnywhere is built on AWS. (And hosts hundreds of thousands of concurrent python apps.)
But only if they're smaller than 6mb!
Actually the PythonAnywhere architecture is pretty amazing, they have hundreds of virtual servers running at AWS that automatically scale up and down according to traffic and demand for processing power.
Your web app can be shifted from one server to another with only a few milliseconds of unresponsiveness.
It’s worth noting that whatever the question about Britain’s state, Rishi is not the answer.
He’s a fully paid up Treasury stooge who thinks levelling up is a waste of time.
But he’s more impressive than Boris. If I was Keir I’d be a bit concerned.
there isn't any Tory that is going to spend money levelling up - that's the problem. It's going to take a Labour party willing to look at Treasury models and destroy the appalling foundations they are built on.
Unfortunately the people who understand that earn £100,000+ way more than the Treasury fools you currently use the models and don't see the flaws or missing factors.
Hint for anyone reading infrastructure sometimes needs to be built because it solves problems.
Funny how we agree violently on this but (IIRC) disagree equally violently on immigration.
Don't think I've ever commented on immigration that much.
Were I to do so my only comment would be you allow skilled workers into the country (using a sane minimum pay level well above the average wage) and ensure that you don't allow unskilled / low paid workers in.
Sadly we can't use the tricks other European countries could use (native language tests) because everyone speaks English better than you typical English native.
It is worth noting that the most successful economies in the world - places like Switzerland and Singapore - have done such a good job upskilling their own citizens, that it is unskilled labour that their economies demand.
Both also have populations of less than 5% and have low tax so long attracted high net worth residents and financial services.
Both are also expensive to live in, so also limiting the attraction for the non high skilled and non high paid
Wait: the UK has a population of more than 172 million people???
Wow.
More seriously, let me turn the question around. Would you rather your child was educated to the level where they could be a well paid software engineer? Or would you rather they decided that we needed to have more people who were only skilled to clean toilets?
In 95% of countries the average citizen is not going to be able to be educated to be a well paid software engineer. For starters as there are only so many well paid software engineer jobs to go round globally.
We will also still need some people to clean the toilets
Show me someone who can think logically through a problem (yes, I know that automatically excludes you) and I will be able to find them a job paying more well above the average wage tomorrow and after a bit of time and experience easily £60k+
The world doesn't have a shortage of well paid software engineer jobs, there is insatiable demand for software engineers, the world has a shorter of people able to write software.
Give us a job mate
I used to work in IT. I left uni with an unrelated degree in 96, and applied for several graduate training schemes. Normally the selection process included an aptitude test, which suited me pretty well - always liked puzzles, and scored very highly. Ended up getting a job as a programmer, and my career... went nowhere much. I ended up at a large retailer doing mainframe cobol programming. I was paid ok. In the early noughties my pay was in the mid-20s. But then IT salaries seemed to stagnate and more and more jobs were outsourced to India. My job became teaching Indians how to do my job so they could go back to India and do it more cheaply. IT appeared to be going nowhere, so I changed careers. It seemed a very hard career to get anywhere in. Any skills you had weren't the skills they were looking for. No-one doing pure IT was all that well paid: you had to go into management to move up the pay grades. Maybe it's changed in the last decade, or maybe I was just unlucky.
I had a similar experience albeit 15 years earlier. I loved Cobol mainframe programming, couldn't believe I was being paid to effectively do puzzles all day.
But... to get on I had to move into project and programme management and leave the programming behind. Project management required a very different set of skills, I was just lucky I was able to adapt. Helluva lot of ball-ache and stress though compared to programming.
Often wish I'd gone into C++ or Java.
I became an employment lawyer specialising in getting rich people out of messes of their own making. I’ve done okay.
Jesus, I'm working a day a week for Citizens Advice doing exactly the same for poor people... for free 🤣
We are celebrating Imbolc tomorrow - I calculate it will be exactly midway between the Winter Solstice and the Spring Equinox at 03:45 tomorrow morning, and so a time to celebrate leaving behind the darkest quarter of the year.
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
If you want something cross-platform, look at Flutter.
It uses a language called Dart (basically a dialect of JavaScript) and it has the heft of Google behind it. You can trivially build for iOS and Android, and it'll even build Progressive Web Apps if you like.
I don't use it for anything that needs to get close to the metal, but for reasonably unambitious apps it's pretty good.
I can give a thumbs up for flutter if you after quick mobile apps (not tried the desktop stuff yet).
Much easier to get stuff done that objective-c/swift or java/kotlin. The main thing I like he having something works on iOS and Android without too much bother. Something quite depressing about implementing the same thing twice on two different platforms
MrB
Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.
I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...
Since it's technology night tonight on PB, what's the best platform for a very rusty old coder with a smattering of C and Java to have a crack at developing IOS and Android apps?
Is there one platform/language that can cover both?
Just fancy having a go at a couple of 'winter project' ideas.
Can I interest you in the wonderful and glorious scripting language of Python? 😄
Any language that uses white space for syntax deserves to be nuked from orbit.
Give me Perl where you could write your 2000 line program in a 1 utterly unreadable line...
What do you mean? Doesn't everybody enjoy reading through their scripts 8 times to make sure the indents are all correct?!
Personally, I like that python forces me to write readable code.
And it's a lot easier to spot the missing indent than the missing curly bracket.
Ha ha ha...
You said "python" in the same sentence as "write ... code"
Didn't you mean "write untested kiddy scripts" ?
I've seen some very serious systems developed in python. Just because it can be used to hack things together in five minutes, doesn't mean it can't be used to build big robust systems.
The problem is the Python.... developers... who seem to think that "test" is a dirty word. Also "structure".
Neither are dirty words. Crevice is a dirty word...
Also, I see the Washington Football Team are now the Washington Commanders.
What a terrible name.
It’s terrible. They could have gone for easy such as Washington presidents, Washington senators.
I would have recommended the “Washington Phoenixes” as it alludes to Washington rising from the flames of the British sacking (and would be funny as would always remind the Americans what we did…).
The Washington Scandals
The Washington Georges
The Washington Tyne and Wears
But the Washington Commanders. Weak.
The Washington Commanders has two main problems, as I see it. First, Gideon. Second, the W.C.? Really? I know their football has been in the toilet in recent years, but to call yourself the W.C. smacks of pathologically low self-esteem. Can just see Cowboy fans bringing porcelain thrones to games to taunt the Toileteers fans.
PS Perhaps given the NFL's latest scandal, they should have gone with the Washington Whiteskins.
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It sounds as if the issue is upstream, if a seperate stream gets deviated into coaching at college or high school level. Perhaps something similar for association football.
But, where managers are getting to the top through working their way up, it’s the same as in the NFL. Graham Potter didn’t get the Brighton job because he is white. Whether or not it helped him earlier in his career, I don’t know.
It's a scripting language right?
(*once I'd spent ages getting rid of the bugs obvs)
Edit. Fourth Division.
He also has a master's degree. Rare for an ex-footballer.
For mobile apps I'd look at Flutter as mentioned by a few other people.
If you want to develop a mobile app, and prefer dynamically typed, scripty, languages, then I would recommend React Native. (Which users JavaScript/typescript)
I notice that today Ashley Cole has been hired for Everton.
One big problem with football is the nepotism of if you fire a manager, you fire like 10 other staff who are is "gang", and then they all follow each other around. And if you want to hire such and such, you have to hire all his guys, even if you have good people already.
One thing I noticed that Chelsea did different was they never got rid of Steve Holland before he went to England role.
of mine as a sort of well paid backup job that is dead easy to learn.
I think coding itself pretty straightforward, but only really if you take some enjoyment in the process of learning.
If you enjoying being stuck in a hole you have dug yourself into and working out the solution it is great. If not, then it can be a lonely experience. I watched my sister get persuaded into a coding job (via an MSc). She absolutely hated it and it generally made her miserable. It really isn't for everyone.
Consistent learning and enjoying puzzle is vital.
The other thing is how little coding actually happens, it is mostly testing, requirements, planning, infra, config - everything but the code.
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On 17 April 2018, club chairman (also the director of football) Daniel Kindberg was taken into custody by the Swedish Economic Crime Authority, suspected on probable cause of serious fraud and for assisting in serious gross accounting violations. Together with two other people, Kindberg is suspected of submitting false invoices in several companies, according to the prosecutor. Several of these companies have strong ties to Östersunds FK and the club's sponsorship deals. Several years before, in 2014, Kindberg was subject to criticism when Östersundshem, the municipal housing company where he was the CEO, became a big sponsor of Östersunds FK.
Shocking penalties by Cameroon. Well drilled for Egypt.
Getting a computer to count your indents (or brackets) is a much better IDEA.
Vincent Kompany has gone a similar route with Anderlecht.
One Johnson confidante: "This the clearout ... there are others who have to go too. Boris can hang on but he's got to move the dial ... if he's going to move on he's got to clear the decks."
https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1489355982853521419
Although that literally could be an age thing...
Someone also a few weeks ago asked for a web version of my App. With Flutter it took a day of making a few minor tweaks to my code to address some usability issues on the web but that was it. It is now live on the web and working well.
I believe the process is now similar to make Apps targeting Windows, Linux and Mac OS too. Not tried it yet though.
Think that point you've made re: separation of coaching from playing tracks, which in US football mostly occurs at college level (natural starting point for pro players and coaches) may also be a factor. Though still plenty of Black coaches in NCAA & NFL . . . just NOT at top of the pyramid.
Note that many of the predominately White sports journos on ESPN and etc. on this side of the Atlantic (and Pacific) commenting on the Brian Flores lawsuit versus NFL are obviously pretty conservative in their politics. Yet nearly all of the ones I hear on the radio are siding with him, based on what they know personally as former players and/or experienced reporters.
Two things stand out regarding Flores lawsuit:
> he is asking the courts for broad injunctive relief NOT personal monetary settlement.
> his accusation that he was offered bribe by Miami Dolphins owner to tank his own team has truly lit a raging fire under the ass of every half-serious football player AND fan in the USA.
Harumph! Harumph!
In the old days, I had Vim so configured it could literally do everything, with a separate window showing real time test status at each save.
But I don't have time for that shit anymore.
Neither are dirty words. Crevice is a dirty word...
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Your web app can be shifted from one server to another with only a few milliseconds of unresponsiveness.
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Which made it all totally unintelligible to the business people. I loved it.
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Thanks All - I might give Flutter a flutter.
I've got this fantastic idea for a simple word game - five letters, six guesses, a new word every day,...
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PS Perhaps given the NFL's latest scandal, they should have gone with the Washington Whiteskins.