Looking at the front pages at the top of the thread, the Mirror again refers to a party in the PM's flat whereas the Gray "update" refers to the Number 10 flat. Boris lives in the larger flat above Number 11. We could use some clarification as to whether Gray did mean Boris's home or if an otherwise empty flat was taken over.
Looking at the front pages at the top of the thread, the Mirror again refers to a party in the PM's flat whereas the Gray "update" refers to the Number 10 flat. Boris lives in the larger flat above Number 11. We could use some clarification as to whether Gray did mean Boris's home or if an otherwise empty flat was taken over.
Oh good spot though doesn't Rishi Sunak live in the Number 10 flat? So yes technically the flat referred to is his and not the PMs, but I'm guessing that's not what Gray meant.
Edit: No it seems Sunak has chosen not to live in Downing Street and lives in Kensington instead. Didn't know that.
Looking at the front pages at the top of the thread, the Mirror again refers to a party in the PM's flat whereas the Gray "update" refers to the Number 10 flat. Boris lives in the larger flat above Number 11. We could use some clarification as to whether Gray did mean Boris's home or if an otherwise empty flat was taken over.
Good point. As you say, the Johnsons live at Number 11. Does Rishi actually live at Number 10 - and if not is it available for others to use as what Kevin Bridges would refer to as an "Empty"?
Looking at the front pages at the top of the thread, the Mirror again refers to a party in the PM's flat whereas the Gray "update" refers to the Number 10 flat. Boris lives in the larger flat above Number 11. We could use some clarification as to whether Gray did mean Boris's home or if an otherwise empty flat was taken over.
Good point. As you say, the Johnsons live at Number 11. Does Rishi actually live at Number 10 - and if not is it available for others to use as what Kevin Bridges would refer to as an "Empty"?
Looking at the front pages at the top of the thread, the Mirror again refers to a party in the PM's flat whereas the Gray "update" refers to the Number 10 flat. Boris lives in the larger flat above Number 11. We could use some clarification as to whether Gray did mean Boris's home or if an otherwise empty flat was taken over.
Good point. As you say, the Johnsons live at Number 11. Does Rishi actually live at Number 10 - and if not is it available for others to use as what Kevin Bridges would refer to as an "Empty"?
Looking at the front pages at the top of the thread, the Mirror again refers to a party in the PM's flat whereas the Gray "update" refers to the Number 10 flat. Boris lives in the larger flat above Number 11. We could use some clarification as to whether Gray did mean Boris's home or if an otherwise empty flat was taken over.
Good point. As you say, the Johnsons live at Number 11. Does Rishi actually live at Number 10 - and if not is it available for others to use as what Kevin Bridges would refer to as an "Empty"?
Can't make head or tail of Ms Cyclefree's last paragraph.
She's already known to be an anti-Boris zealot so if it's aimed at stopping a war in Ukraine...
Well at she's got good motives.
Cyclefree is placing her faith, or at least her hope, in Priti, who can tell the Met to get a wriggle on. Then there's a bit of Macbeth (by Shakespeare).
Can't make head or tail of Ms Cyclefree's last paragraph.
She's already known to be an anti-Boris zealot so if it's aimed at stopping a war in Ukraine...
Well at she's got good motives.
Cyclefree is placing her faith, or at least her hope, in Priti, who can tell the Met to get a wriggle on. Then there's a bit of Macbeth (by Shakespeare).
The second episode of The Nilsen Files on BBC2 last night started with Peter Tatchell and the notoriously homophopic byelection in Bermondsey. Available on an iplayer near you.
"'Carrie wants a clique, Boris is a loner. In both cases it’s about self-preservation’ The prime minister’s wife is the most powerful political spouse in living memory; he could be on his way out. Rachel Sylvester on what drives the Johnsons" (£)
The second episode of The Nilsen Files on BBC2 last night started with Peter Tatchell and the notoriously homophopic byelection in Bermondsey. Available on an iplayer near you.
Takes a peek. Sees that we are all still talking about birthday cake. goes back to lurking for a few more days.
Meanwhile, apropos of nothing, the PM is in Kiev today for a meeting with President Zelensky. Ukraine is getting worried that US interests and media are unnecessarily talking up the chances of a Russian invasion this month. There’s a fine line to tread between being supportive of an ally, and antagonising the Russians which makes the conflict more likely to happen.
The second episode of The Nilsen Files on BBC2 last night started with Peter Tatchell and the notoriously homophopic byelection in Bermondsey. Available on an iplayer near you.
Why is Peter Tatchell not in the House of Lords?
There’s a controversy around a chapter he wrote for a book, published in the 1980’s, apparently. Oh, and there was a letter to the guardian. A bit of Googling will tell you more.
He has/(had?) some views on the age of consent that the general public would find unpalatable. I’m not sure I’d ennoble him, personally.
Takes a peek. Sees that we are all still talking about birthday cake. goes back to lurking for a few more days.
If you and the tories like you had a modicum of humanity you would go back and listen again to your fellow MP Aaron Bell, of this parish, and what he had to say in the Commons yesterday.
This isn't about birthday cake. It's about real people, 'ordinary' people, who made huge sacrifices whilst your leader partied.
Takes a peek. Sees that we are all still talking about birthday cake. goes back to lurking for a few more days.
Meanwhile, apropos of nothing, the PM is in Kiev today for a meeting with President Zelensky. Ukraine is getting worried that US interests and media are unnecessarily talking up the chances of a Russian invasion this month. There’s a fine line to tread between being supportive of an ally, and antagonising the Russians which makes the conflict more likely to happen.
Zelensky must be beside himself with hope and anticipation at the words of wisdom, encouragement and advice that this renowned expert in diplomacy and international affairs will contribute in his hour of need.
That's the absolute bare minimum to help restore standards in public life.
We may get neither. The sad truth is that this government is run by a cabal of incompetent shameless brazen nobbers. And your party doesn't have enough people like you and @Tissue_Price in it to call this out and expect standards and decency and morality.
This is not a left vs right issue. No previous Tory Prime Minister would have done these things. No previous Tory Prime Minister would be brazenly and shamelessly trying to carry on. We have to expect the highest standards of the people at the highest levels of public office. That we do not - and shameless people think shameless behaviour is ok - brings us all low.
Can someone give me a breakdown of why Wales and Scotland's Covid numbers are substantially lower than England's? What combination of restrictions and reporting differences has caused it, as it appears rather stark on the maps.
That's the absolute bare minimum to help restore standards in public life.
We may get neither. The sad truth is that this government is run by a cabal of incompetent shameless brazen nobbers. And your party doesn't have enough people like you and @Tissue_Price in it to call this out and expect standards and decency and morality.
This is not a left vs right issue. No previous Tory Prime Minister would have done these things. No previous Tory Prime Minister would be brazenly and shamelessly trying to carry on. We have to expect the highest standards of the people at the highest levels of public office. That we do not - and shameless people think shameless behaviour is ok - brings us all low.
They are the same lot who made him leader in the full knowledge that he was lazy, incompetent and mendacious. Why, therefore, would we expect them to find a moral compass now?
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
At least she doesn’t edit her history and that is way better than a few embarrassing tweets
She isn't the only one to have been taking in by Savile. I don't think Louis Theroux's career ever recovered from his in-depth documentary that somehow managed to miss the paedophile's interest in young children.
On the one hand they have a leader who (apparently) delivered Brexit and won brilliantly in 2019. So a proven winner, they think. Every time they come close to ditching him the Telegraph and Mail pitch in to remind them how marvellous he is.
On the other hand he's an awful leader who is dragging his party and country through the gutter. Plenty of tory MPs know that he's terrible.
So do they stick with the first and hope he will turn it around? Or do they go for the jugular and replace him with someone competent?
From a left point of view it's quite funny to see people believe that because something happened in the past it's bound to happen again. There are still those who think it was wrong to remove Margaret Thatcher. There are those convinced that because Boris won once (against an unelectable left wing anti-semite) he's bound to do so again.
Whilst I'd love him to be removed now, and whilst I hate seeing the chaos around him spread through the country, I'm content to see this farce continue.
The longer it goes on the more likely a Labour victory becomes. 2 years, 3 months, and 4 days.
I assume Liz Truss, like millions of others, believed Jimmy Savile to be a just deceased man of good works. She wasn't part of the conspiracy of journalists who knew who he really was but help promote his image for TV programming or newspaper copy.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
Was glad to see Blackford saying what needed to be said. Others need to do the same and keep doing so until the message sinks in.
That's the absolute bare minimum to help restore standards in public life.
We may get neither. The sad truth is that this government is run by a cabal of incompetent shameless brazen nobbers. And your party doesn't have enough people like you and @Tissue_Price in it to call this out and expect standards and decency and morality.
This is not a left vs right issue. No previous Tory Prime Minister would have done these things. No previous Tory Prime Minister would be brazenly and shamelessly trying to carry on. We have to expect the highest standards of the people at the highest levels of public office. That we do not - and shameless people think shameless behaviour is ok - brings us all low.
They are the same lot who made him leader in the full knowledge that he was lazy, incompetent and mendacious. Why, therefore, would we expect them to find a moral compass now?
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
Should it really be so hard to find a successor who is less unfit for office than Johnson?
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
Was glad to see Blackford saying what needed to be said. Others need to do the same and keep doing so until the message sinks in.
It was no doubt a somewhat contrived departure and normally I don't care for silly theatricals in the Commons but I think this may have served some useful purpose.
The convention that you don't call a fellow Member a liar only works if you can generally take it for granted that MPs do not lie to the House. The convention rather collapses when you have a PM who is a serial liar and has so obviously lied to and misled the house that only a fool would think otherwise.
Blackford was thrown out for stating the obvious. It's time the convention was binned. It has become obsolete.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
That's what this was always about though wasn't it?
Lawmakers can not be lawbreakers.
If there's nothing criminal then there's been no lies and nothing wrong. Though that seems extremely unlikely given the details given.
Takes a peek. Sees that we are all still talking about birthday cake. goes back to lurking for a few more days.
Meanwhile, apropos of nothing, the PM is in Kiev today for a meeting with President Zelensky. Ukraine is getting worried that US interests and media are unnecessarily talking up the chances of a Russian invasion this month. There’s a fine line to tread between being supportive of an ally, and antagonising the Russians which makes the conflict more likely to happen.
Putin needs permission and political coverage from Xi to invade Ukraine. That isn't going to be forthcoming while it will fuck up the Winter Olympics so no invasion until the 21st.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
I have vague memories of, at primary school, it being remarked upon that Savile was a kiddy fiddler. Obviously, kids can talk a lot of rubbish, but if it was on the radar of primary schoolchildren then one suspects an awful lot of people had at least heard rumours.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
That's what this was always about though wasn't it?
Lawmakers can not be lawbreakers.
If there's nothing criminal then there's been no lies and nothing wrong. Though that seems extremely unlikely given the details given.
There have been lies, regardless. ‘All guidelines were followed’. He was ‘furious’ when he ‘found out’ about the gatherings, which he both attended and was warned not to authorise. Etc.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
Was glad to see Blackford saying what needed to be said. Others need to do the same and keep doing so until the message sinks in.
It was no doubt a somewhat contrived departure and normally I don't care for silly theatricals in the Commons but I think this may have served some useful purpose.
The convention that you don't call a fellow Member a liar only works if you can generally take it for granted that MPs do not lie to the House. The convention rather collapses when you have a PM who is a serial liar and has so obviously lied to and misled the house that only a fool would think otherwise.
Blackford was thrown out for stating the obvious. It's time the convention was binned. It has become obsolete.
What's needed instead is a proper impeachment process. So people who lie, either about themselves or about others, can be removed from the House.
Takes a peek. Sees that we are all still talking about birthday cake. goes back to lurking for a few more days.
Meanwhile, apropos of nothing, the PM is in Kiev today for a meeting with President Zelensky. Ukraine is getting worried that US interests and media are unnecessarily talking up the chances of a Russian invasion this month. There’s a fine line to tread between being supportive of an ally, and antagonising the Russians which makes the conflict more likely to happen.
Putin needs permission and political coverage from Xi to invade Ukraine. That isn't going to be forthcoming while it will fuck up the Winter Olympics so no invasion until the 21st.
Covid is doing a pretty good job of that anyway. Maybe Xi will authorise the invasion to draw attention away from the games and the inevitable disastrous consequences of going ahead with them.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
The LibDems are the fourth largest party in Westminster but I take your point.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
Was glad to see Blackford saying what needed to be said. Others need to do the same and keep doing so until the message sinks in.
It was no doubt a somewhat contrived departure and normally I don't care for silly theatricals in the Commons but I think this may have served some useful purpose.
The convention that you don't call a fellow Member a liar only works if you can generally take it for granted that MPs do not lie to the House. The convention rather collapses when you have a PM who is a serial liar and has so obviously lied to and misled the house that only a fool would think otherwise.
Blackford was thrown out for stating the obvious. It's time the convention was binned. It has become obsolete.
Disagree with the last part - with so many brainless morons in the house (think Tory and Labour back bench cannon fodder like Sultana and Young) we can't give the OK to shouting LIAR as they will never stop.
It should be a simple basis of fact that members do not knowingly mislead - lie - to the house. As you say the disgrace cannot stop lying and needs to be called out for it.
What I think would be powerful is if we see a succession of members standing up and calling him a liar. Mr Speaker will remove the first few, but very quickly the whole house will grind to a stop - he'd probably have to suspend the sitting. Then a point of order - as the PM is demonstrably lying why are you suspending the sitting?
Think about the coverage. You want to slam the message home hard to the public, go do it. Which is why Blackford did. Elections coming up remember, and Dross and his colleagues want people to vote for the party of the disgrace.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
The LibDems are the fourth largest party in Westminster but I take your point.
Correct. I should of course have said in England.
Noted with thanks and apologies to the SNP and its supporters.
I have vague memories of, at primary school, it being remarked upon that Savile was a kiddy fiddler. Obviously, kids can talk a lot of rubbish, but if it was on the radar of primary schoolchildren then one suspects an awful lot of people had at least heard rumours.
It is inconceivable that his producers and senior executives at the BBC were unaware.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
The LibDems are the fourth largest party in Westminster but I take your point.
Correct. I should of course have said in England.
Noted with thanks and apologies to the SNP and its supporters.
The Lib Dems have nine seats in England, the Tories 343.
Delightful though such a reversal would be I suspect it will take a while to achieve. The Liberals took 19 years from their last overall majority to be reduced to minor party status.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
Should it really be so hard to find a successor who is less unfit for office than Johnson?
Buridan's Ass springs to mind.
Unfortunately, Buridan's Ass was deselected in 2019 for abstaining on the Big Brexit Vote.
(Bigger point- if you're looking for a sufficiently untainted anti-Boris leader, you may have a struggle.)
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
Should it really be so hard to find a successor who is less unfit for office than Johnson?
Buridan's Ass springs to mind.
Unfortunately, Buridan's Ass was deselected in 2019 for abstaining on the Big Brexit Vote.
(Bigger point- if you're looking for a sufficiently untainted anti-Boris leader, you may have a struggle.)
Hunt would be closest. But he'd struggle to get support among the membership, as we see on the boards here.
Looking at the front pages at the top of the thread, the Mirror again refers to a party in the PM's flat whereas the Gray "update" refers to the Number 10 flat. Boris lives in the larger flat above Number 11. We could use some clarification as to whether Gray did mean Boris's home or if an otherwise empty flat was taken over.
Oh good spot though doesn't Rishi Sunak live in the Number 10 flat? So yes technically the flat referred to is his and not the PMs, but I'm guessing that's not what Gray meant.
Edit: No it seems Sunak has chosen not to live in Downing Street and lives in Kensington instead. Didn't know that.
Government often refers to the PM’s residence in no. 11 as the No. 10 flat.
I assume Liz Truss, like millions of others, believed Jimmy Savile to be a just deceased man of good works. She wasn't part of the conspiracy of journalists who knew who he really was but help promote his image for TV programming or newspaper copy.
ITV have just made a film about him coming out in March called 'The Reckoning'. It's good.
I assume Liz Truss, like millions of others, believed Jimmy Savile to be a just deceased man of good works. She wasn't part of the conspiracy of journalists who knew who he really was but help promote his image for TV programming or newspaper copy.
Savile created a distinct, outlandish persona to hide who he really was from the public. Quite similar to a certain politician specifically in that regard.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes, it's cowardice mixed with stupidity. On Cyclefree's Macbeth theme, they are letting 'I dare not' wait upon 'I would'.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
The LDs will never win more seats than the Tories.
Only party that might is RefUK if they overtook the Tories as the main party of the right as Labour overtook the Liberals as the main party of the centre left early last century.
The LDs are now split between centre right Orange Bookers and centre left social democrats
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
Was glad to see Blackford saying what needed to be said. Others need to do the same and keep doing so until the message sinks in.
It was no doubt a somewhat contrived departure and normally I don't care for silly theatricals in the Commons but I think this may have served some useful purpose.
The convention that you don't call a fellow Member a liar only works if you can generally take it for granted that MPs do not lie to the House. The convention rather collapses when you have a PM who is a serial liar and has so obviously lied to and misled the house that only a fool would think otherwise.
Blackford was thrown out for stating the obvious. It's time the convention was binned. It has become obsolete.
Disagree with the last part - with so many brainless morons in the house (think Tory and Labour back bench cannon fodder like Sultana and Young) we can't give the OK to shouting LIAR as they will never stop.
It should be a simple basis of fact that members do not knowingly mislead - lie - to the house. As you say the disgrace cannot stop lying and needs to be called out for it.
What I think would be powerful is if we see a succession of members standing up and calling him a liar. Mr Speaker will remove the first few, but very quickly the whole house will grind to a stop - he'd probably have to suspend the sitting. Then a point of order - as the PM is demonstrably lying why are you suspending the sitting?
Think about the coverage. You want to slam the message home hard to the public, go do it. Which is why Blackford did. Elections coming up remember, and Dross and his colleagues want people to vote for the party of the disgrace.
On a point of order, Mr Speaker, how should we address a member who is a blatant and incorrigible liar ?
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
Was glad to see Blackford saying what needed to be said. Others need to do the same and keep doing so until the message sinks in.
It was no doubt a somewhat contrived departure and normally I don't care for silly theatricals in the Commons but I think this may have served some useful purpose.
The convention that you don't call a fellow Member a liar only works if you can generally take it for granted that MPs do not lie to the House. The convention rather collapses when you have a PM who is a serial liar and has so obviously lied to and misled the house that only a fool would think otherwise.
Blackford was thrown out for stating the obvious. It's time the convention was binned. It has become obsolete.
What's needed instead is a proper impeachment process. So people who lie, either about themselves or about others, can be removed from the House.
And how might that work when the liar continues to command a majority in the House ?
Shocking story coming out of Afghanistan. Only 3% of the population living above the poverty line. They are in serious danger of starvation. The UK government have a serious responsibility for whats going on. A good opportunity for Johnson to change the habit of a lifetime and try to do some good.
Takes a peek. Sees that we are all still talking about birthday cake. goes back to lurking for a few more days.
Meanwhile, apropos of nothing, the PM is in Kiev today for a meeting with President Zelensky. Ukraine is getting worried that US interests and media are unnecessarily talking up the chances of a Russian invasion this month. There’s a fine line to tread between being supportive of an ally, and antagonising the Russians which makes the conflict more likely to happen.
Putin needs permission and political coverage from Xi to invade Ukraine. That isn't going to be forthcoming while it will fuck up the Winter Olympics so no invasion until the 21st.
Covid is doing a pretty good job of that anyway. Maybe Xi will authorise the invasion to draw attention away from the games and the inevitable disastrous consequences of going ahead with them.
My big fear is that Xi makes a play for Taiwan at the same time - i.e. during the Olympics. The US, UK and allies will not be able to put substantial aid to both Ukraine and Taiwan, and China will have lots of hostages guests staying for the Olympics.
It's unlikely, but would be a good way for both to achieve their goals.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
Was glad to see Blackford saying what needed to be said. Others need to do the same and keep doing so until the message sinks in.
It was no doubt a somewhat contrived departure and normally I don't care for silly theatricals in the Commons but I think this may have served some useful purpose.
The convention that you don't call a fellow Member a liar only works if you can generally take it for granted that MPs do not lie to the House. The convention rather collapses when you have a PM who is a serial liar and has so obviously lied to and misled the house that only a fool would think otherwise.
Blackford was thrown out for stating the obvious. It's time the convention was binned. It has become obsolete.
Disagree with the last part - with so many brainless morons in the house (think Tory and Labour back bench cannon fodder like Sultana and Young) we can't give the OK to shouting LIAR as they will never stop.
It should be a simple basis of fact that members do not knowingly mislead - lie - to the house. As you say the disgrace cannot stop lying and needs to be called out for it.
What I think would be powerful is if we see a succession of members standing up and calling him a liar. Mr Speaker will remove the first few, but very quickly the whole house will grind to a stop - he'd probably have to suspend the sitting. Then a point of order - as the PM is demonstrably lying why are you suspending the sitting?
Think about the coverage. You want to slam the message home hard to the public, go do it. Which is why Blackford did. Elections coming up remember, and Dross and his colleagues want people to vote for the party of the disgrace.
On a point of order, Mr Speaker, how should we address a member who is a blatant and incorrigible liar ?
Prime Minister?
Good morning everyone. The boil isn't lanced yet, is it!
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
The LDs will never win more seats than the Tories.
Only party that might is RefUK if they overtook the Tories as the main party of the right as Labour overtook the Liberals as the main party of the centre left early last century.
The LDs are now split between centre right Orange Bookers and centre left social democrats
Define “split”. The LibDems are an internal coalition, just like any other British political party. I’ll grant you that the Greens’ MPs are of one united mind.
'The LDs will never win more seats than the Tories.'
Is the Conservative Party intending to test this theory to destruction?
The only way they would is if we ended up with a Canada 1993 style scenario where the populist right Reform Party became the main party of the right and overtook the Tories as the main opposition to the Liberals (Reform merging with the Tories in 2003 to make today's Conservative Party of Canada).
So it would see ReformUK become the main opposition to Labour as the Brexit Party briefly overtook May's Tories to be the main right of centre party here in Spring 2019. See also Italy where Lega overtook Forza Italia as the main party of the right or France where at presidential level Le Pen's populist right party became the main opposition to Macron's liberal En Marche party (though that may reverse this year if Pecresse gets to the runoff with Macron)
Shocking story coming out of Afghanistan. Only 3% of the population living above the poverty line. They are in serious danger of starvation. The UK government have a serious responsibility for whats going on. A good opportunity for Johnson to change the habit of a lifetime and try to do some good.
Is that relative or absolute poverty? Makes a mockery of the word poverty to have it chopped and changed like that.
In my humble opinion we should wash our hands of Afghanistan and have absolutely no responsibility for the nation and absolutely no aid should be going there. We tried to be responsible for them, they rejected us an installed the Taliban instead.
Let the Taliban take responsibility. You don't get to reject our help then say "but keep sending us money and food".
Shocking story coming out of Afghanistan. Only 3% of the population living above the poverty line. They are in serious danger of starvation. The UK government have a serious responsibility for whats going on. A good opportunity for Johnson to change the habit of a lifetime and try to do some good.
Is that relative or absolute poverty? Makes a mockery of the word poverty to have it chopped and changed like that.
In my humble opinion we should wash our hands of Afghanistan and have absolutely no responsibility for the nation and absolutely no aid should be going there. We tried to be responsible for them, they rejected us an installed the Taliban instead.
Let the Taliban take responsibility. You don't get to reject our help then say "but keep sending us money and food".
Um they didn't install the Taliban - we left rather than fight the Taliban...
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes I noticed that too. Whereas until a few days ago it was about misleading (lying to) the House. Which he obviously did.
The problem is that the Conservative Party has to find somebody to replace him who will not plunge it into a costly civil war whilst at the same time appearing plausible to the public at large. It needs to buy time to arrange this. This is the only explanation for its delay in removing the oaf.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
The LDs will never win more seats than the Tories.
Only party that might is RefUK if they overtook the Tories as the main party of the right as Labour overtook the Liberals as the main party of the centre left early last century.
The LDs are now split between centre right Orange Bookers and centre left social democrats
I take it that you are still in full support of the Liar? That there need be no basic standards of behaviour in public life?
Takes a peek. Sees that we are all still talking about birthday cake. goes back to lurking for a few more days.
Meanwhile, apropos of nothing, the PM is in Kiev today for a meeting with President Zelensky. Ukraine is getting worried that US interests and media are unnecessarily talking up the chances of a Russian invasion this month. There’s a fine line to tread between being supportive of an ally, and antagonising the Russians which makes the conflict more likely to happen.
Putin needs permission and political coverage from Xi to invade Ukraine. That isn't going to be forthcoming while it will fuck up the Winter Olympics so no invasion until the 21st.
Covid is doing a pretty good job of that anyway. Maybe Xi will authorise the invasion to draw attention away from the games and the inevitable disastrous consequences of going ahead with them.
My big fear is that Xi makes a play for Taiwan at the same time - i.e. during the Olympics. The US, UK and allies will not be able to put substantial aid to both Ukraine and Taiwan, and China will have lots of hostages guests staying for the Olympics.
It's unlikely, but would be a good way for both to achieve their goals.
A Xi invasion of Taiwan could be coordinated with a Putin invasion of Ukraine.
It makes sense for them as they know the West will not go to war to defend Ukraine or Taiwan, only a NATO nation, South Korea or Japan.
Yougov finds meanwhile a majority of Germans and a plurality of voters in most other NATO nations oppose going to war with Russia if it invades Ukraine. Only a plurality of Americans and Danes favour going to war with Russia over the Ukraine but even then only 38% of Danes and 35% of Russians back war. Britons are split
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
The threshold to remove him keeps moving up for arbitrary reasons. It now seems to be that he be found to have committed a criminal offence.
Yes, it's cowardice mixed with stupidity. On Cyclefree's Macbeth theme, they are letting 'I dare not' wait upon 'I would'.
They dearly want him gone but are equally dearly hoping that other MPs write the necessary letters.
Shocking story coming out of Afghanistan. Only 3% of the population living above the poverty line. They are in serious danger of starvation. The UK government have a serious responsibility for whats going on. A good opportunity for Johnson to change the habit of a lifetime and try to do some good.
Is that relative or absolute poverty? Makes a mockery of the word poverty to have it chopped and changed like that.
In my humble opinion we should wash our hands of Afghanistan and have absolutely no responsibility for the nation and absolutely no aid should be going there. We tried to be responsible for them, they rejected us an installed the Taliban instead.
Let the Taliban take responsibility. You don't get to reject our help then say "but keep sending us money and food".
Yes, they are all relatively poor in that they have slightly smaller oled tvs than their neighbours
Shocking story coming out of Afghanistan. Only 3% of the population living above the poverty line. They are in serious danger of starvation. The UK government have a serious responsibility for whats going on. A good opportunity for Johnson to change the habit of a lifetime and try to do some good.
Is that relative or absolute poverty? Makes a mockery of the word poverty to have it chopped and changed like that...
The reported rates of malnutrition and severe malnutrition make a mockery of that question.
What do 300 photographs tell us? They tell us that it didn't even occur to those who took them that they were doing anything wrong. They weren't taken as potential evidence in a belated police investigation, they were taken to show how near the centre of power they were and to make an official record of something frankly inexplicable.
People often talk about the Westminster bubble. I really thought that the expenses scandal was that at its worst. And it was, until now. The lies that Boris told about the rules having been kept and then the "shock" at discovering events that he had been to occurred are just unacceptable. This long, drawn out saga is a further mockery of the country by an elite who genuinely believe that they are above the law. Enough.
Takes a peek. Sees that we are all still talking about birthday cake. goes back to lurking for a few more days.
Meanwhile, apropos of nothing, the PM is in Kiev today for a meeting with President Zelensky. Ukraine is getting worried that US interests and media are unnecessarily talking up the chances of a Russian invasion this month. There’s a fine line to tread between being supportive of an ally, and antagonising the Russians which makes the conflict more likely to happen.
Putin needs permission and political coverage from Xi to invade Ukraine. That isn't going to be forthcoming while it will fuck up the Winter Olympics so no invasion until the 21st.
Covid is doing a pretty good job of that anyway. Maybe Xi will authorise the invasion to draw attention away from the games and the inevitable disastrous consequences of going ahead with them.
My big fear is that Xi makes a play for Taiwan at the same time - i.e. during the Olympics. The US, UK and allies will not be able to put substantial aid to both Ukraine and Taiwan, and China will have lots of hostages guests staying for the Olympics.
It's unlikely, but would be a good way for both to achieve their goals.
A Xi invasion of Taiwan could be coordinated with a Putin invasion of Ukraine.
It makes sense for them as they know the West will not go to war to defend Ukraine or Taiwan, only a NATO nation, South Korea or Japan.
Yougov finds meanwhile a majority of Germans and a plurality of voters in most other NATO nations oppose going to war with Russia if it invades Ukraine. Only a plurality of Americans and Danes favour going to war with Russia over the Ukraine but even then only 38% of Danes and 35% of Russians back war. Britons are split
Both paying the price for failing to act. Still miles ahead of Boris.
Even Tory members don't rate Priti.......
She's a hanger a flogger and a drowner of refugees...
What's not to like?
Of all the front benchers she looked most uncomfortable with Boris yesterday. Maybe she could be the one to break ranks.
My thoughts too. I put it down to trying to back her horse both ways. If Johnson goes so does she. But if she sparks a leadership contest she might get another job.
On the other hand maybe she's discovered religion and doesn't want to be tethered to a debauched pig?
Both paying the price for failing to act. Still miles ahead of Boris.
Even Tory members don't rate Priti.......
She's a hanger a flogger and a drowner of refugees...
What's not to like?
Of all the front benchers she looked most uncomfortable with Boris yesterday. Maybe she could be the one to break ranks.
My thoughts too. I put it down to trying to back her horse both ways. If Johnson goes so does she. But if she sparks a leadership contest she might get another job.
On the other hand maybe she's discovered religion and doesn't want to be tethered to a debauched pig?
Can't make head or tail of Ms Cyclefree's last paragraph.
She's already known to be an anti-Boris zealot so if it's aimed at stopping a war in Ukraine...
Well at she's got good motives.
Cyclefree is placing her faith, or at least her hope, in Priti, who can tell the Met to get a wriggle on. Then there's a bit of Macbeth (by Shakespeare).
The hope is a very faint one indeed.
But I would like Boris, Priti and Cressida Dick gone from public life.
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Joke - I probably will I seem to have found myself in a insomnia/hypomanic phase.
And I think congratulations to Rihanna are in order.
For a start - these headlines are very different to the ones I'm getting flashed on Sky news.
EDIT - sorry that was just the Guardian they showed.
Sky news appear to be showing their true colours tonight by semi-censoring the bad headlines.
BBC - Lefty
Sky - Righty (?)
Everyone knows that.
Edit: No it seems Sunak has chosen not to live in Downing Street and lives in Kensington instead. Didn't know that.
Ni Hao fellow insomniacs.
Year of the Tiger
GRRRRRRRRRr
She's already known to be an anti-Boris zealot so if it's aimed at stopping a war in Ukraine...
Well at she's got good motives.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2022-01-31/debates/6B412B49-AB7D-4FE3-9F82-B9EAE93FB6AC/SueGrayReport
Video via parliament.tv or on Youtube in several places including
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6feTrlXV0gc
I had just about worked out the first part.
The prime minister’s wife is the most powerful political spouse in living memory; he could be on his way out. Rachel Sylvester on what drives the Johnsons" (£)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/carrie-boris-johnson-she-wants-a-clique-he-s-a-loner-in-both-cases-it-s-about-self-preservation-m8qxscbtw
Meanwhile, apropos of nothing, the PM is in Kiev today for a meeting with President Zelensky. Ukraine is getting worried that US interests and media are unnecessarily talking up the chances of a Russian invasion this month. There’s a fine line to tread between being supportive of an ally, and antagonising the Russians which makes the conflict more likely to happen.
A pathetic prime minister.
He has/(had?) some views on the age of consent that the general public would find unpalatable. I’m not sure I’d ennoble him, personally.
This isn't about birthday cake. It's about real people, 'ordinary' people, who made huge sacrifices whilst your leader partied.
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/130291010730340352
That's the absolute bare minimum to help restore standards in public life.
This is not a left vs right issue. No previous Tory Prime Minister would have done these things. No previous Tory Prime Minister would be brazenly and shamelessly trying to carry on. We have to expect the highest standards of the people at the highest levels of public office. That we do not - and shameless people think shameless behaviour is ok - brings us all low.
Think about it, they try and VONC him, and he survives and then he's either charged or fined, he'll try and brazen it out, safe in the knowledge the party cannot oust him for 12 months.
Better to wait until he's charged/fined.
On the one hand they have a leader who (apparently) delivered Brexit and won brilliantly in 2019. So a proven winner, they think. Every time they come close to ditching him the Telegraph and Mail pitch in to remind them how marvellous he is.
On the other hand he's an awful leader who is dragging his party and country through the gutter. Plenty of tory MPs know that he's terrible.
So do they stick with the first and hope he will turn it around? Or do they go for the jugular and replace him with someone competent?
From a left point of view it's quite funny to see people believe that because something happened in the past it's bound to happen again. There are still those who think it was wrong to remove Margaret Thatcher. There are those convinced that because Boris won once (against an unelectable left wing anti-semite) he's bound to do so again.
Whilst I'd love him to be removed now, and whilst I hate seeing the chaos around him spread through the country, I'm content to see this farce continue.
The longer it goes on the more likely a Labour victory becomes. 2 years, 3 months, and 4 days.
Brady - come on man, open your mail.
He's a goner, but what comes next is far from clear. If it goes badly for them, the Party could soon be replacing the LibDems as the third largest Party in Westminster.
Buridan's Ass springs to mind.
The convention that you don't call a fellow Member a liar only works if you can generally take it for granted that MPs do not lie to the House. The convention rather collapses when you have a PM who is a serial liar and has so obviously lied to and misled the house that only a fool would think otherwise.
Blackford was thrown out for stating the obvious. It's time the convention was binned. It has become obsolete.
Lawmakers can not be lawbreakers.
If there's nothing criminal then there's been no lies and nothing wrong. Though that seems extremely unlikely given the details given.
I have vague memories of, at primary school, it being remarked upon that Savile was a kiddy fiddler. Obviously, kids can talk a lot of rubbish, but if it was on the radar of primary schoolchildren then one suspects an awful lot of people had at least heard rumours.
It should be a simple basis of fact that members do not knowingly mislead - lie - to the house. As you say the disgrace cannot stop lying and needs to be called out for it.
What I think would be powerful is if we see a succession of members standing up and calling him a liar. Mr Speaker will remove the first few, but very quickly the whole house will grind to a stop - he'd probably have to suspend the sitting. Then a point of order - as the PM is demonstrably lying why are you suspending the sitting?
Think about the coverage. You want to slam the message home hard to the public, go do it. Which is why Blackford did. Elections coming up remember, and Dross and his colleagues want people to vote for the party of the disgrace.
Noted with thanks and apologies to the SNP and its supporters.
Delightful though such a reversal would be I suspect it will take a while to achieve. The Liberals took 19 years from their last overall majority to be reduced to minor party status.
(Bigger point- if you're looking for a sufficiently untainted anti-Boris leader, you may have a struggle.)
Rishi Sunak falls to his lowest rating yet at 39% net favourable
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2022/02/our-cabinet-league-table-trusss-year-long-reign-is-ended-as-wallace-goes-top.html
On Cyclefree's Macbeth theme, they are letting 'I dare not' wait upon 'I would'.
Only party that might is RefUK if they overtook the Tories as the main party of the right as Labour overtook the Liberals as the main party of the centre left early last century.
The LDs are now split between centre right Orange Bookers and centre left social democrats
'The LDs will never win more seats than the Tories.'
Is the Conservative Party intending to test this theory to destruction?
It's unlikely, but would be a good way for both to achieve their goals.
Good morning everyone. The boil isn't lanced yet, is it!
So it would see ReformUK become the main opposition to Labour as the Brexit Party briefly overtook May's Tories to be the main right of centre party here in Spring 2019. See also Italy where Lega overtook Forza Italia as the main party of the right or France where at presidential level Le Pen's populist right party became the main opposition to Macron's liberal En Marche party (though that may reverse this year if Pecresse gets to the runoff with Macron)
In my humble opinion we should wash our hands of Afghanistan and have absolutely no responsibility for the nation and absolutely no aid should be going there. We tried to be responsible for them, they rejected us an installed the Taliban instead.
Let the Taliban take responsibility. You don't get to reject our help then say "but keep sending us money and food".
She's a hanger a flogger and a drowner of refugees...
What's not to like?
coordinated with a Putin invasion of Ukraine.
It makes sense for them as they know the West will not go to war to defend Ukraine or Taiwan, only a NATO nation, South Korea or Japan.
Yougov finds meanwhile a majority of Germans and a plurality of voters in most other NATO nations oppose going to war with Russia if it invades Ukraine. Only a plurality of Americans and Danes favour going to war with Russia over the Ukraine but even then only 38% of Danes and 35% of Russians back war. Britons are split
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1488111850017406976?s=20&t=eh6ET0EsIAeXxNtKWoTyaQ
You are as self parodic as HYUFD
People often talk about the Westminster bubble. I really thought that the expenses scandal was that at its worst. And it was, until now. The lies that Boris told about the rules having been kept and then the "shock" at discovering events that he had been to occurred are just unacceptable. This long, drawn out saga is a further mockery of the country by an elite who genuinely believe that they are above the law. Enough.
On the other hand maybe she's discovered religion and doesn't want to be tethered to a debauched pig?
For the good of the country and the Conservative Party if it wants to exist for the long term.
But I would like Boris, Priti and Cressida Dick gone from public life.