“In #Tianjin, epidemiological investigations on 80 people infected with #Omicron found that 76 of them had been **fully vaccinated with Chinese-made vaccines**, including 20 who had received a booster shot.”
The problem with the Chinese made vaccines is that they don't seem to work that well - it's not quite injecting a saline solution but it's not far off.
This is why the party are clearly taking such extreme measures they know their population isn't protected and big O spreads like crazy. Their narrative of total success against fighting COVID could self-destruct.
to be accurate, Sinovac had the poorest protection, but Sinopharm was quite a bit better. But both are much worse against Delta and Winnie-the-Pooh.
It was quite good acting by Johnson; I almost believed he was contrite until the camera went onto his face at the end where he looked very angry. False humility on top of incompetence in the extreme. He is unfit for office and should resign.
HYUFD continued defence of Boris is more embarrassing than Nigel Farage becoming novax biggest fan and standing up against harsh treatment of people lying on their visa applications.
Is HYUFD watching a different PMQs, one from a parallel / mirror universe?
The same one, Starmer may be winning a few debating points, Boris coming across more empathetic and better in living rooms and showing the humility he needed.
As a Tory member and branch chairman Boris stays. This Cummings coup must be stopped
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole Suspect a lawyer has had a look at that statement. Quote Tweet Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith · 4m The core of Boris Johnson’s defence was in that apology - he thought May 20 was a work event, technically it was, Downing St garden an extension of the government office.
Although that then undermines the argument that the No 10 garden is 'his' garden as the resident.
“In #Tianjin, epidemiological investigations on 80 people infected with #Omicron found that 76 of them had been **fully vaccinated with Chinese-made vaccines**, including 20 who had received a booster shot.”
The problem with the Chinese made vaccines is that they don't seem to work that well - it's not quite injecting a saline solution but it's not far off.
This is why the party are clearly taking such extreme measures they know their population isn't protected and big O spreads like crazy. Their narrative of total success against fighting COVID could self-destruct.
to be accurate, Sinovac had the poorest protection, but Sinopharm was quite a bit better. But both are much worse against Delta and Winnie-the-Pooh.
I think that was to perceived wisdom, but I seemed to remember reading that both now have been found to be basically useless.
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole Suspect a lawyer has had a look at that statement. Quote Tweet Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith · 4m The core of Boris Johnson’s defence was in that apology - he thought May 20 was a work event, technically it was, Downing St garden an extension of the government office.
Work event is not sufficient regardless. It would have needed to be essential for work.
A point someone in the chamber on the ball should pick up….
So, SKS has called upon the PM to resign, the PM has declined. Surely the next step is a VONC?
SNP's job.
Generally, whilst time can be scheduled for a no confidence motion presented by another party, the convention is that it would normally only be scheduled where the Official Opposition introduces it.
I'm a few minutes behind, but I'm inclined to agree. The call for Boris's resignation might have hardened the resolve of the backbenchers to support the Government.
Is HYUFD watching a different PMQs, one from a parallel / mirror universe?
The same one, Starmer may be winning a few debating points, Boris coming across more empathetic and better in living rooms and showing the humility he needed.
As a Tory member and branch chairman Boris stays. This Cummings coup must be stopped
Boris has no humilty. He'll be smirking and laughing within minutes.
Just uncorked* a bottle at work, matron not looking impressed. I have explained that this is normal at busy workplaces, but she still seems to object. What is wrong with her?
Is HYUFD watching a different PMQs, one from a parallel / mirror universe?
The same one, Starmer may be winning a few debating points, Boris coming across more empathetic and better in living rooms and showing the humility he needed.
As a Tory member and branch chairman Boris stays. This Cummings coup must be stopped
Based on conversations with my other half and colleagues, Boris Johnson and everyone in Downing Street should resign and be imprisoned for serving and drinking (Tesco) rosé.
Apparently for connoisseurs of alcohol/people with good taste it is the equivalent of drinking lighter fluid.
The only thing worse than Apple fans are Tesla fans. And the only thing worse than Tesla fans are wine snobs
As a good and devout Muslim this is one of those conversations I'm not qualified to participate in.
Just as long as you don't boost Star Citizen.
A very good friend likes his whisky. He took a girl on a date to a very quiet, very high quality place, somewhat famous at the time for their selection of single malts. She had claimed to like whisky...
He bought her a double of a rather nice one.
He had to leave for a few moments. When he got back he discovered that she had got the bar tender to add Diet Coke to her drink...
Apparently my friend didn't say a word. Went on with the evening as if nothing had happened.
Never spoke to her again, of course.
Quite right, the lass was perfectly correct in blanking the pompous sod.
He wasn't like that at all - he actually thought that since she'd lied about the liking whisky, that she was obviously saying things that she thought would go down well. Rather than speaking her mind.
This guy must be some desirable dude if women are prepared to lie about what they eat and drink to get into his affections.
A long while back, we were at a event at the Victoria Room in the House of Commons. My friend was accompanied by his current girlfriend, an actual model.
It was quite interesting to note the MPs who spent their time talking to her, ignoring him.
Portillo totally ignored her, to talk to my friend.
Class act. The best PM we never had...
Errrr.. It was more a matter of.... interests. As was quite obvious.
The reaction from his girlfriend (the model) was hilarious. I think for her, being the object of attention was assumed. She wasn't angry, just really non-plussed and a bit puzzled. Afterwards I mentioned the rumours and she said "yeah, obviously".
I'm a few minutes behind, but I'm inclined to agree. The call for Boris's resignation might have hardened the resolve of the backbenchers to support the Government.
Replying to myself, but perhaps, as has been written here before, that if Starmer's best bet at the moment is to keep Boris in power then calling for his resignation might be a sound strategy.
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole Suspect a lawyer has had a look at that statement. Quote Tweet Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith · 4m The core of Boris Johnson’s defence was in that apology - he thought May 20 was a work event, technically it was, Downing St garden an extension of the government office.
Although that then undermines the argument that the No 10 garden is 'his' garden as the resident.
How can it be a work event when the email described it as "socially-distanced drinks" and bring your own bottle?
“In #Tianjin, epidemiological investigations on 80 people infected with #Omicron found that 76 of them had been **fully vaccinated with Chinese-made vaccines**, including 20 who had received a booster shot.”
The problem with the Chinese made vaccines is that they don't seem to work that well - it's not quite injecting a saline solution but it's not far off.
This is why the party are clearly taking such extreme measures they know their population isn't protected and big O spreads like crazy. Their narrative of total success against fighting COVID could self-destruct.
to be accurate, Sinovac had the poorest protection, but Sinopharm was quite a bit better. But both are much worse against Delta and Winnie-the-Pooh.
I think that was to perceived wisdom, but I seemed to remember reading that both now have been found to be basically useless.
Against the original strain they were lower on the list of vaccines in terms of efficacy. The problem is the new strains. The other vaccines have held up much better.
As I understand it.
I have heard it rumoured that a couple of countries are considering not accepting vaccination with Sinovac for entry.
Just uncorked* a bottle at work, matron not looking impressed. I have explained that this is normal at busy workplaces, but she still seems to object. What is wrong with her?
* Not really. Obviously!
I have worked in an office where booze was provided in the kitchen for free. We were trusted to be responsible.
We went into this knowing a couple that an apology won't cut it as sinks the "wait for the Grey enquiry" nonsense and demonstrates his previous lies to the commons
And yet that is the play. We cannot pre-judge the Sue Grey enquiry into whether there was a party which I have just said I was at.
I’ve still not changed my mind. Starmer and Blackford overdoing it.
A drink after work, outside in the office garden, really isn’t the end of the world that’s being portrayed.
Exactly, this is now just Labour and the SNP playing party politics and Cummings pushing his attempted coup to get rid of Boris and make Sunak his puppet PM. It must be stopped!!
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole Suspect a lawyer has had a look at that statement. Quote Tweet Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith · 4m The core of Boris Johnson’s defence was in that apology - he thought May 20 was a work event, technically it was, Downing St garden an extension of the government office.
Although that then undermines the argument that the No 10 garden is 'his' garden as the resident.
I think Boris is doing OK under the circumstances.
Agreed.
It helps that he gets rather a lot of practice at this kind of thing.
Btw I spend quite a bit of time in Aston these days. It's rather nice. Do they have a decent football team locally perchance? It might be rather nice to go watch them.
Hi Peter. I'm not saying Boris should survive and his position is stretching credibility. But if the enquiry finds that he attended the event "in good faith", "believing' he was attending a work event, he may yet survive. It all depends on Sue Gray in my view. His fate is in her hands.
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole Suspect a lawyer has had a look at that statement. Quote Tweet Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith · 4m The core of Boris Johnson’s defence was in that apology - he thought May 20 was a work event, technically it was, Downing St garden an extension of the government office.
Work event is not sufficient regardless. It would have needed to be essential for work.
He is being skewered by the absurdity of his own rules. What if the work colleagues had stood around inside No 10 with mugs of coffee?
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole Suspect a lawyer has had a look at that statement. Quote Tweet Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith · 4m The core of Boris Johnson’s defence was in that apology - he thought May 20 was a work event, technically it was, Downing St garden an extension of the government office.
Although that then undermines the argument that the No 10 garden is 'his' garden as the resident.
Oh I think that's the point. When you go back you will discover that statement 1 contradicts statement 2 but that's for next week when someone has had a chance to pick it up.
One issue with PMQs is that its all scripted so it's hard (I seem to remember it's technically impossible) to react to someone else's previous questions...
I think Boris is doing OK under the circumstances.
Agreed.
It helps that he gets rather a lot of practice at this kind of thing.
Btw I spend quite a bit of time in Aston these days. It's rather nice. Do they have a decent football team locally perchance? It might be rather nice to go watch them.
Hi Peter. I'm not saying Boris should survive and his position is stretching credibility. But if the enquiry finds that he attended the event "in good faith", "believing' he was attending a work event, he may yet survive. It all depends on Sue Gray in my view. His fate is in her hands.
Not if it turns out as is extremely likely that there were a number of such events and every single time the PM thought it was a work event.
Is HYUFD watching a different PMQs, one from a parallel / mirror universe?
The same one, Starmer may be winning a few debating points, Boris coming across more empathetic and better in living rooms and showing the humility he needed.
As a Tory member and branch chairman Boris stays. This Cummings coup must be stopped
"As pressure mounts on Boris Johnson over whether he attended a No 10 party during lockdown in May 2020, the BBC has spoken to families of people who died that same month."
Harry Cole @MrHarryCole Suspect a lawyer has had a look at that statement. Quote Tweet Ben Riley-Smith @benrileysmith · 4m The core of Boris Johnson’s defence was in that apology - he thought May 20 was a work event, technically it was, Downing St garden an extension of the government office.
Although that then undermines the argument that the No 10 garden is 'his' garden as the resident.
How can it be a work event when the email described it as "socially-distanced drinks" and bring your own bottle?
The email is the smoking gun.
Also email says "it would be nice" and does not require attendance. Very curious type of essential business meeting where any number between 0 and 100 is sufficient, as long as they bring their own booze.
I’ve still not changed my mind. Starmer and Blackford overdoing it.
A drink after work, outside in the office garden, really isn’t the end of the world that’s being portrayed.
You do appreciate that it's not the "drink after work, outside in the office garden" that's the problem, per se, it's 1) the rule setters not following their own rules to the letter, and 2) the lying.
Is HYUFD watching a different PMQs, one from a parallel / mirror universe?
The same one, Starmer may be winning a few debating points, Boris coming across more empathetic and better in living rooms and showing the humility he needed.
As a Tory member and branch chairman Boris stays. This Cummings coup must be stopped
"As pressure mounts on Boris Johnson over whether he attended a No 10 party during lockdown in May 2020, the BBC has spoken to families of people who died that same month."
I think Boris is doing OK under the circumstances.
Agreed.
It helps that he gets rather a lot of practice at this kind of thing.
Btw I spend quite a bit of time in Aston these days. It's rather nice. Do they have a decent football team locally perchance? It might be rather nice to go watch them.
Hi Peter. I'm not saying Boris should survive and his position is stretching credibility. But if the enquiry finds that he attended the event "in good faith", "believing' he was attending a work event, he may yet survive. It all depends on Sue Gray in my view. His fate is in her hands.
Not if it turns out as is extremely likely that there were a number of such events and every single time the PM thought it was a work event.
If Sue Gray accepts the same defence for each event he attended then he may yet survive.
“In #Tianjin, epidemiological investigations on 80 people infected with #Omicron found that 76 of them had been **fully vaccinated with Chinese-made vaccines**, including 20 who had received a booster shot.”
The problem with the Chinese made vaccines is that they don't seem to work that well - it's not quite injecting a saline solution but it's not far off.
This is why the party are clearly taking such extreme measures they know their population isn't protected and big O spreads like crazy. Their narrative of total success against fighting COVID could self-destruct.
to be accurate, Sinovac had the poorest protection, but Sinopharm was quite a bit better. But both are much worse against Delta and Winnie-the-Pooh.
I think that was to perceived wisdom, but I seemed to remember reading that both now have been found to be basically useless.
Against the original strain they were lower on the list of vaccines in terms of efficacy. The problem is the new strains. The other vaccines have held up much better.
As I understand it.
I have heard it rumoured that a couple of countries are considering not accepting vaccination with Sinovac for entry.
I don't have time to dig out the article, but even Sinopharm was found to be rubbish because the protection it did give waned so quickly. I think about 3 months was about all you got in terms of protection. Chile were jabbing people 4 times, 2 pfizer, because of this.
Johnson's problem is the stuff about saying he didn't realise it was a party. It's the thing that will be latched onto - it's so ridiculous, and that sort of thing cuts through.
awful defence in which he says sorry but not sorry because it was work - simply because if he says a simple sorry he would have misled the house previously - totally trapped
Is HYUFD watching a different PMQs, one from a parallel / mirror universe?
The same one, Starmer may be winning a few debating points, Boris coming across more empathetic and better in living rooms and showing the humility he needed.
As a Tory member and branch chairman Boris stays. This Cummings coup must be stopped
"As pressure mounts on Boris Johnson over whether he attended a No 10 party during lockdown in May 2020, the BBC has spoken to families of people who died that same month."
I’ve still not changed my mind. Starmer and Blackford overdoing it.
A drink after work, outside in the office garden, really isn’t the end of the world that’s being portrayed.
Exactly, this is now just Labour and the SNP playing party politics and Cummings pushing his attempted coup to get rid of Boris and make Sunak his puppet PM. It must be stopped!!
Are you suggesting that Cummings is the British Trump - trying to turn to the Conservative Party into the Cummings Party in all but name?
PM tried to strike a very different tone, no gags, no smirks, body language of his colleagues, including on front bench shows how uneasy his party his - not sure the excuse that technically it wasn't a party will soothe the anger among his MPs
Johnson's problem is the stuff about saying he didn't realise it was a party. It's the thing that will be latched onto - it's so ridiculous, and that sort of thing cuts through.
The way his opponents are going on, it’s as if they invited a load of outsiders, caterers and a DJ, and kept going until three in the morning.
Nope, I am now more determined than ever this morning Boris must stay.
This Cummings coup must be stopped at all costs!
Labour likes this 👍
To be honest after the events of the last 24 hours I would almost prefer a PM Starmer than a Cummings puppet as PM if the Cummings coup to topple Boris, our biggest election winner since Thatcher, succeeded.
I think Boris is doing OK under the circumstances.
Agreed.
It helps that he gets rather a lot of practice at this kind of thing.
Btw I spend quite a bit of time in Aston these days. It's rather nice. Do they have a decent football team locally perchance? It might be rather nice to go watch them.
Hi Peter. I'm not saying Boris should survive and his position is stretching credibility. But if the enquiry finds that he attended the event "in good faith", "believing' he was attending a work event, he may yet survive. It all depends on Sue Gray in my view. His fate is in her hands.
His SOP is to kick any issue down the road. Sue Gray won't say in so many words "He must resign", so whatever she says he'll merely say he's very concerned by the findings and will keep them fully in mind.
Better for Labour if all of his possible replacements are forced to vote to defend this. If SKS misses this chance he may regret it. As LOTO he should move it as soon as PMQs is over, just as Boris thinks he is getting out of there.
Nope, I am now more determined than ever this morning Boris must stay.
This Cummings coup must be stopped at all costs!
Labour likes this 👍
To be honest after the events of the last 24 hours I would almost prefer a PM Starmer than a Cummings puppet as PM if the Cummings coup to topple Boris, our biggest election winner since Thatcher, succeeded.
You have a Cummings puppet as PM now - the only trouble is Cummings is cutting the strings one by one.
Just uncorked* a bottle at work, matron not looking impressed. I have explained that this is normal at busy workplaces, but she still seems to object. What is wrong with her?
* Not really. Obviously!
Foxy - you've gone down in my estimation - I hoped you really were having a tipple to get through!
Boris excuse reminds me of Peep Show episode when they have a work conference and Mark takes his laptop to a strip club so he can finish his presentation.....
Nope, I am now more determined than ever this morning Boris must stay.
This Cummings coup must be stopped at all costs!
Labour likes this 👍
To be honest after the events of the last 24 hours I would almost prefer a PM Starmer than a Cummings puppet as PM if the Cummings coup to topple Boris, our biggest election winner since Thatcher, succeeded.
You have a Cummings puppet as PM now - the only trouble is Cummings is cutting the strings one by one.
Johnson's problem is the stuff about saying he didn't realise it was a party. It's the thing that will be latched onto - it's so ridiculous, and that sort of thing cuts through.
The way his opponents are going on, it’s as if they invited a load of outsiders, caterers and a DJ, and kept going until three in the morning.
Part of the trouble with Johnson telling lie after lie is that people in the real world imagine the worst and nobody can dissuade them of it. There has been so little transparency, reports of 'phones being wiped and so on, that it is perfectly understandable.
Johnson cannot now be believed on any aspect of this - and it isn't the Opposition's fault, but his own. You must realise that.
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As a Tory member and branch chairman Boris stays. This Cummings coup must be stopped
He'll last the day out, certainly. He'll not see in 2023 as PM.
I've heard it all now.
A drink after work, outside in the office garden, really isn’t the end of the world that’s being portrayed.
He needs to go. Is is unfit.
The email is the smoking gun.
As I understand it.
I have heard it rumoured that a couple of countries are considering not accepting vaccination with Sinovac for entry.
And yet that is the play. We cannot pre-judge the Sue Grey enquiry into whether there was a party which I have just said I was at.
How does that work?
One issue with PMQs is that its all scripted so it's hard (I seem to remember it's technically impossible) to react to someone else's previous questions...
"As pressure mounts on Boris Johnson over whether he attended a No 10 party during lockdown in May 2020, the BBC has spoken to families of people who died that same month."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-59963012
a) the rule setters not following their own rules to the letter, and
b) the lying.
Q - You mock me, sir?
A - Mock you, sir?
Q - Mock me not, sir. No man mocks me, sir.
A - The wise man mocks the man. The mocked man mocks the mocker.
https://twitter.com/gabyhinsliff/status/1481239613784080387
How’s Boris Johnson doing in his MPs’ eyes? One just texted me this… https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/1481240095302856712/photo/1
Sad cases all but Boris not having a brief post work thank you drinks in the No 10 garden would not have saved their lives
Starmer deserves an A+ today
HYUFD a U
Remember that in December Boris was in his Garden for a drink
In January he was in the Office garden for a work do that shouldn't have occurred.
The garden isn't as @RochdalePioneers points out a Schrödinger Garden it's either a workplace or a home garden - it cannot be both.
Giving Starmer an A+?
Truly we are in the End Times
@PickardJE
if anyone was expecting an apology, they didn't get it, with that line about him having thought it was a "work event"
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1481238888085606402?s=20
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This Cummings coup must be stopped at all costs!
I think she's waiting for the debate on Sue Grey's report.
Johnson cannot now be believed on any aspect of this - and it isn't the Opposition's fault, but his own. You must realise that.