Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
Yes, no party leaders make a point of displaying union jacks on zoom calls.
I am a rational, civic minded person You are a flag waver He has invaded Poland
I don’t mind people being frank, honest and straightforward. But the problem with Nigel and their ilk is that they genuinely despise me and my party colleagues, on entirely inaccurate grounds.
I’m not saying the SNP is a perfect organisation, but it is very far removed from the nest of evil that Nigel and chums try to depict.
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
Yes, no party leaders make a point of displaying union jacks on zoom calls.
Indeed.
If Starmer is trying to do what it looks like he is trying to do then he is making a grave error. I’m sure a wise head will have a word.
Maybe Nicola could be that wise head:
Nicola could teach Keir lots of things. I’m sure they’ll get on fine together.
Looks like the Revolution manque in Kazakhstan might succeed. TV station down. Internet half down. Security forces routed. Rumours of private jets fleeing. Government resigns.
I do love me a good old fashioned Revolution.
President Borat?
The latest president does look like a satirical version of a central Asian president
Could get nasty. The rebels have seized the biggest city but the army has not switched sides. Recipe for an Assad/Tiananmen solution
Which side are shills for Putin?
It’s quite complex (says someone who only started reading about Kazakhstan forty three minutes ago). Major Russian, Chinese AND American investments and interests. And I guess they all prefer a stable Kazakhstan? But the protests are intense and “unprecedented” and there are now reports of security forces turning
Presumably the prez will try the Assad approach, and that’s why he’s seized control of the army. The last guy was deemed too weak and afraid to shoot the people
Interesting that this is in response to commodity inflation, as was the Arab spring, as have been many protests and insurrections in the past.
So perhaps a few more to come elsewhere this year.
I've been backing CP to get a poll lead before 1 Feb (Smarkets). I see the odds have been coming down gradually and are now at 3.15, which represents just over 30% chance.
Do you guys think this is about right?
It's a bit more than a 30% chance imo. I sense Johnson is like a rubber duck being held under water in the bath. We've all done this, right, and we know what happens when you let go. It shoots up and lands in your lap. As with the rubber duck, so with Johnson.
Unfortunate imagery there.
I’m trying to work out how it lands in my lap if I’m in the bath? Surely my lap is under the surface?
Possibly, yes. But it depends on the water level. Many people like it quite shallow which means bits of them are sticking out. Their toes, for example.
The thread headline is equally applicable to the practical options re Covid.
At the moment, the Government has staked all on vaccination alone, yet is doing next to nothing beyond exhortation to ensure the uptake of vaccination. It's like staking all on a card in poker while letting your opponents see what the card is. More needs to be done - Johnson needs another string to his bow.
Those options boil down to simply: 1. More restrictions on everyday life applied to all, in various shades of additional lockdown. All of which has been ruled out. 2. Measures beyond exhortation to significantly increase the uptake of vaccinations. That's the approach being taken on the continent, in the form of either incentives or in a few cases compulsion.
For me it should be a combination of extra restrictions and financial penalties targeted at the unvaccinated combined with financial carrots for those that do the right thing.
I'm pretty uncomfortable with any restrictions on the unvaxxed. For me, restrictions in general are not only bad because they are not effective enough to justify the huge cost/imposition (which is the rational argument), but they are bad in principle - whether they are aimed at me or not. So I am uncomfortable with restrictions on cinemas and theatres even though I have no intention of going to one; and I am uncomfortable wit hrestrictions on the unvaxxed even though I am vaxxed.
The government is there to serve the people, not harangue or threaten them. The people aren't the government's opponents. Though I'm sure you're talking in the narrower sense of the government serving the interests of the whole population by taking on a small subset of it.
I'm not that keen on financial carrots, but only on a does-it-work-and-can-we-afford-it question. I suppose you could possibly make a case that the benefit to the economy of getting people vaxxed is worth the spend on incentives, but it doesn't strike me as obvious that this is the case.
Basically, as I see it, we just have to ride this thing out. Over 90% of the population have been jabbed without having to resort to any particularly regrettable measures. That's pretty good, no?
Looks like the Revolution manque in Kazakhstan might succeed. TV station down. Internet half down. Security forces routed. Rumours of private jets fleeing. Government resigns.
I do love me a good old fashioned Revolution.
President Borat?
The latest president does look like a satirical version of a central Asian president
Could get nasty. The rebels have seized the biggest city but the army has not switched sides. Recipe for an Assad/Tiananmen solution
Which side are shills for Putin?
It’s quite complex (says someone who only started reading about Kazakhstan forty three minutes ago). Major Russian, Chinese AND American investments and interests. And I guess they all prefer a stable Kazakhstan? But the protests are intense and “unprecedented” and there are now reports of security forces turning
Presumably the prez will try the Assad approach, and that’s why he’s seized control of the army. The last guy was deemed too weak and afraid to shoot the people
Interesting that this is in response to commodity inflation, as was the Arab spring, as have been many protests and insurrections in the past.
So perhaps a few more to come elsewhere this year.
Yes, it’s a classic trigger for insurrection. Fuel prices or bread/rice prices
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
Yes, no party leaders make a point of displaying union jacks on zoom calls.
Indeed.
If Starmer is trying to do what it looks like he is trying to do then he is making a grave error. I’m sure a wise head will have a word.
If he wants to win back the redwall he isn't.
Scotland is largely irrelevant to his chances of becoming PM, the SNP are the main challengers in the remaining 6 SCon seats and the SNP will back Starmer over the Tories as PM anyway. To deprive the Tories of their majority it is the redwall seats Starmer needs to win back.
He only needs Scottish seats to help ensure he can get English domestic legislation through if the Tories still had a majority in England but not the UK, as the SNP would abstain on that
Or he might genuinely like the Union flag.
Not everything can be explained by your rather unusual take on English domestic legislation.
Wrt the "Tens of thousands of Scots flooded Newcastle to party on NYE" meme. That was widely anticipated, and some certainly did. But overall, it was quieter than usual in Toon. Here is the rather downbeat report of goings on in the Chronicle.
Wrt the "Tens of thousands of Scots flooded Newcastle to party on NYE" meme. That was widely anticipated, and some certainly did. But overall, it was quieter than usual in Toon. Here is the rather downbeat report of goings on in the Chronicle.
I've been backing CP to get a poll lead before 1 Feb (Smarkets). I see the odds have been coming down gradually and are now at 3.15, which represents just over 30% chance.
Do you guys think this is about right?
It's a bit more than a 30% chance imo. I sense Johnson is like a rubber duck being held under water in the bath. We've all done this, right, and we know what happens when you let go. It shoots up and lands in your lap. As with the rubber duck, so with Johnson.
Unfortunate imagery there.
I’m trying to work out how it lands in my lap if I’m in the bath? Surely my lap is under the surface?
Possibly, yes. But it depends on the water level. Many people like it quite shallow which means bits of them are sticking out. Their toes, for example.
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
Yes, no party leaders make a point of displaying union jacks on zoom calls.
Indeed.
If Starmer is trying to do what it looks like he is trying to do then he is making a grave error. I’m sure a wise head will have a word.
If he wants to win back the redwall he isn't.
Scotland is largely irrelevant to his chances of becoming PM, the SNP are the main challengers in the remaining 6 SCon seats and the SNP will back Starmer over the Tories as PM anyway. To deprive the Tories of their majority it is the redwall seats Starmer needs to win back.
He only needs Scottish seats to help ensure he can get English domestic legislation through if the Tories still had a majority in England but not the UK, as the SNP would abstain on that
Or he might genuinely like the Union flag.
Not everything can be explained by your rather unusual take on English domestic legislation.
Unless you are arguing the SNP would now vote on English domestic legislation, then if Labour do not win most seats then even if Starmer becomes PM with SNP support in a hung parliament he will not be able to get English domestic legistation through the Commons
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
Pull the other one. Political life is absolutely riddled with narrow-minded British nationalists. You’re all over the place.
Cut the "you're" crap. Nationalism is a repulsive creed and I am not in that camp. Patriotism is fine and admirable. Nationalism breeds hatred and division. The Scottish version is no better than the English, Russian or Chinese variants. Some are more pestilent and lethal than others, but they are all a nasty disease.
Ho ho.
Off you slither.
In a crowded field of self deceiving wankers, the ‘I’m a patriot not a nationalist’ lads are among the most credulous.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
The thread headline is equally applicable to the practical options re Covid.
At the moment, the Government has staked all on vaccination alone, yet is doing next to nothing beyond exhortation to ensure the uptake of vaccination. It's like staking all on a card in poker while letting your opponents see what the card is. More needs to be done - Johnson needs another string to his bow.
Those options boil down to simply: 1. More restrictions on everyday life applied to all, in various shades of additional lockdown. All of which has been ruled out. 2. Measures beyond exhortation to significantly increase the uptake of vaccinations. That's the approach being taken on the continent, in the form of either incentives or in a few cases compulsion.
For me it should be a combination of extra restrictions and financial penalties targeted at the unvaccinated combined with financial carrots for those that do the right thing.
I'm pretty uncomfortable with any restrictions on the unvaxxed. For me, restrictions in general are not only bad because they are not effective enough to justify the huge cost/imposition (which is the rational argument), but they are bad in principle - whether they are aimed at me or not. So I am uncomfortable with restrictions on cinemas and theatres even though I have no intention of going to one; and I am uncomfortable wit hrestrictions on the unvaxxed even though I am vaxxed.
The government is there to serve the people, not harangue or threaten them. The people aren't the government's opponents. Though I'm sure you're talking in the narrower sense of the government serving the interests of the whole population by taking on a small subset of it.
I'm not that keen on financial carrots, but only on a does-it-work-and-can-we-afford-it question. I suppose you could possibly make a case that the benefit to the economy of getting people vaxxed is worth the spend on incentives, but it doesn't strike me as obvious that this is the case.
Basically, as I see it, we just have to ride this thing out. Over 90% of the population have been jabbed without having to resort to any particularly regrettable measures. That's pretty good, no?
Well I'd generally agree, except for your last point.
Forcing theatregoers to wear masks is extremely regrettable, as going to the theatre is a social and indeed romantic activity, like going to the pub or restaurant, and it's similarly discretionary. If you are worried about covid, don't go to the theatre. Making everyone wear a mask therein just ruins the experience for many (who wants to go on a date and wear a mask?) and has almost no benefit (everyone takes their mask off to drink in the theatre bar anyway – the entire concept is ludicrous).
I have similar views about masks in fashion stores. Now, going clothes shopping is not something I ever do. Yet for many millions of people (mainly, not exclusively, women) it's a leisure activity. It is also discretionary – if you are worried about covid, don't spend Saturday afternoon pounding the shops with your girlfriends.
I would have no mask mandates at all. They strike me as a major imposition for little benefit against omicron, and those that are concerned can get an FFP3 mask. Indeed I would state-fund said masks for the vulnerable.
However, a fair compromise on masks would be to make them compulsory for essential settings – groceries, public transport and the like – and voluntary for discretionary settings.
As it is, we have a ludicrous muddle whereby pubs, restaurants and clubs are (rightly) mask free but theatres and boutiques are enforced masks.
The thread headline is equally applicable to the practical options re Covid.
At the moment, the Government has staked all on vaccination alone, yet is doing next to nothing beyond exhortation to ensure the uptake of vaccination. It's like staking all on a card in poker while letting your opponents see what the card is. More needs to be done - Johnson needs another string to his bow.
Those options boil down to simply: 1. More restrictions on everyday life applied to all, in various shades of additional lockdown. All of which has been ruled out. 2. Measures beyond exhortation to significantly increase the uptake of vaccinations. That's the approach being taken on the continent, in the form of either incentives or in a few cases compulsion.
For me it should be a combination of extra restrictions and financial penalties targeted at the unvaccinated combined with financial carrots for those that do the right thing.
I'm pretty uncomfortable with any restrictions on the unvaxxed. For me, restrictions in general are not only bad because they are not effective enough to justify the huge cost/imposition (which is the rational argument), but they are bad in principle - whether they are aimed at me or not. So I am uncomfortable with restrictions on cinemas and theatres even though I have no intention of going to one; and I am uncomfortable wit hrestrictions on the unvaxxed even though I am vaxxed.
The government is there to serve the people, not harangue or threaten them. The people aren't the government's opponents. Though I'm sure you're talking in the narrower sense of the government serving the interests of the whole population by taking on a small subset of it.
I'm not that keen on financial carrots, but only on a does-it-work-and-can-we-afford-it question. I suppose you could possibly make a case that the benefit to the economy of getting people vaxxed is worth the spend on incentives, but it doesn't strike me as obvious that this is the case.
Basically, as I see it, we just have to ride this thing out. Over 90% of the population have been jabbed without having to resort to any particularly regrettable measures. That's pretty good, no?
If you have been vaxxed or not you can pass on Covid so the issue is NHS resource.
Many on here want to carve out Covid as being something that people should take steps to prevent in themselves, in particular injecting something into their bodies, otherwise they should be denied treatment.
Such advocates however are happy that mountaineers should be treated on the NHS no matter how foolish they might be in their escapades.
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
Yes, no party leaders make a point of displaying union jacks on zoom calls.
Indeed.
If Starmer is trying to do what it looks like he is trying to do then he is making a grave error. I’m sure a wise head will have a word.
Maybe Nicola could be that wise head:
Nicola could teach Keir lots of things. I’m sure they’ll get on fine together.
I'm all for it - he'll fit neatly in her left pocket.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
Thanks for this. Vital stuff. Can you please keep us informed about the situation in Kazakhstan as your particular insight is very useful on the subject.
ISTM that "kids" is vaguely pejorative; horrid/horrible I would see more as a class indicator, likewise pudding and dessert; and movie is just going with the times as most people consume films on US streaming services and those films in any case are usually US-made.
I see kids more as informal than pejorative. But if OKC sees it as pejorative I can see why. Horrid feels horribly Enid Blyton and twee. (I have actually read a good argument that horrid is the least horrible of the four horrible words, which, getting more horrible, are horrid, horrible, horrendous and horrific. So perhaps has a use as 'horrible, but not that horrible'.) Movie is just not as good a word as film. I have also seen an argument that movie denotes a certain sort of film - big Hollywood blockbuster - whereas film is its more thoughtful or arty counterpart. Again, I could get on board with that. But movie seems to just be used for all films nowadays. Sigh. And dessert just sounds to me like an affectation. Though I have an Irish friend who finds the word pudding hilarious - hears it as very English and therefore very posh, which is kind of the reverse of how I hear it.
Never really had an issue with the horri family. Technically, what is horrible or horrendous is what makes you bristle, and horrid is the state you are consequently in on seeing something horrible.
Cf suck and suckle: babies suck, mothers suckle.
Objections to "kids" have completely floored me.
There are many meanings "pudding", including "you great daft pudding".
"Kids" it is a long lost cause. "Dessert" rather than pudding annoys still. I get irritated when "students" is used to describe under 18s at school rather than pupils.
I think dessert is one of that long line of words with French origins considered "non-U" by the upper-middle snobs, with the Germanic or at least non-French version preferred. Others include:
- Lounge vs sitting room - Pardon vs sorry or what - Settee vs sofa - Dinner vs supper (though dinner seems less frowned on than most) - Serviette vs napkin - Toilet vs loo
And so on. The crucial dividing point between the lower-middle and upper-middle class. I don't know if it's true or urban myth that this came about during the Napoleonic wars as an anti-French thing. Almost as salient as a class identifier as the preferred name for grandmother.
I claim credit for starting the 'kids' thread. Seems lazy to Mrs C. and myself, although we do use it in a casual sense sometimes. Anyway as a 60 & 70's Liberal and a committed European, lost causes aren't a problem.
Inclined to think 'students' are over 16, whether at school or some form of college. Grandson 2, now at Uni was, over Christmas, explaining the difference in attitude in Year 12...... the Lower VIth ..... to his sister and one of his cousins, both of whom are currently in Year 11.
Not sure about Lounge or sitting room; we have a lounge (or TV) area in our living room. And a dining area. But of course, we're OAP's who down-sized some years ago. Def. sofa. And dinner. Except on Sunday. Supper's later. Def. napkin, too, and toilet. And Mrs C is a Grannie. Not Granny. And def. not Nan.
'Grannie'? I've never come across a Grannie before. My grandmothers were both Grannys, confusingly, and grandfathers were both Grandpas. They were differentiated by geography rather than names (Granny Marple and Granny Pinner). I quite like non-name related differentiators for grandparents. Boringly, my children's grandmothers are also both Grannys, differentiated by their first names. Though they have one Grandpa and one Grandad. Granny definitely strikes me as higher up the social scale than Nan or Nanny. Though no doubt the upper echelons have something all to themselves. In the East Midlands, the colloquial version of Nanny is Nonna - pronounced 'Nonnarr'. It sounds moronic in my view, but no doubt entirely sane if you grow up with it.
I only knew one set of grandparents; my maternal ones both died before I was born. Father's mother was Grandma. However my children had a Grannie (maternal) and a Grandma (paternal). My two eldest grandchildren had a Grannie, a Grandpa, and a Grandad., Then it got complicated, as Grandad was divorced, so they had a Grandma Rene and Grandma Olive! They also had a Grannie Stick, my wife's mother, who needed a walking stick. Don't we get ourselves confused, although when we're young it all makes perfect sense!
But is it Grannie, or Granny ?
Grannie. That was what Mrs C said she was going to insist on when we first knew we were going to grandparents, thirty-three years ago. That was her mother had been, and that was what her mother's mother had been. Before that..... who knows.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
Thanks for this. Vital stuff. Can you please keep us informed about the situation in Kazakhstan as your particular insight is very useful on the subject.
TIA.
I felt the discussion on the relative poshness of the terms “granny”, “gran”, “grandma”, “nan”, “nonna” and “nonnarrr” had reached a natural terminus
This is another excellent source for news on Kazakhstan.
It's the lawlessness that might do it for this government.
I've had three motor scooters stolen in the last 14 months. The second was filmed on two separate CCTV cameras. The police were inaccessible on all three occasions. The only way of contacting them is online or dialling 999 which mustn't be used other than in an emergency "or you could be putting someone's life at risk" .
Having done a little detective work online it appears these thefts have reached epidemic proportions. The common thread is we don't have a functioning police force.
Welcome to the world of de-prioritised crime.
A farmer I knew never could get the police interested in the steady stream of thefts over the years.
When he started putting a roof on an ancient stone walled building (a farm cottage that hadn't been lived in since year X and was just the walls and grass) to create a secure store for some equipment, the planning officers and police were out in force. Within hours of the day he started work.
There was a break in November last year at the firm next to work. Window smashed, place ransacked and about £10k of stuff, mostly power tools disappeared. It turned up yesterday on Facebook marketplace, about 30 miles away. One of their lads went over to the lad selling it, and bought a drill back - and got shown almost all the stolen stuff, plus a lot that's presumably other people's, in a garden shed. So they rang plod with the crime number to tell them to stroll on down, collect the bloke and our gear and they'd be looking forward to his court appearance for handling stolen goods.
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow. The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
Pull the other one. Political life is absolutely riddled with narrow-minded British nationalists. You’re all over the place.
Cut the "you're" crap. Nationalism is a repulsive creed and I am not in that camp. Patriotism is fine and admirable. Nationalism breeds hatred and division. The Scottish version is no better than the English, Russian or Chinese variants. Some are more pestilent and lethal than others, but they are all a nasty disease.
Ho ho.
Off you slither.
In a crowded field of self deceiving wankers, the ‘I’m a patriot not a nationalist’ lads are among the most credulous.
Quite a standard feature of nationalism, to believe that *your* Nationalism is completely rational and normal. Almost to the fish-doesn't-notice-water level.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
Thanks for this. Vital stuff. Can you please keep us informed about the situation in Kazakhstan as your particular insight is very useful on the subject.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
Thanks for this. Vital stuff. Can you please keep us informed about the situation in Kazakhstan as your particular insight is very useful on the subject.
TIA.
I felt the discussion on the relative poshness of the terms “granny”, “gran”, “grandma”, “nan”, “nonna” and “nonnarrr” had reached a natural terminus
This is another excellent source for news on Kazakhstan.
Am I to understand that our to-be alien overlords have finally watched Borat, misunderstood it, and have commenced the invasion of Earth with Kazakhstan?
Fuel prices are going to be a major issue for the govt come April and it is, partly, of their own making.
Gas prices in Europe, per therm, are going up and are high but nowhere near as high as ours.
It serves the govt right if this blows up in their face.
Other politicians in other parties cannot complain, they are advocating the same sort of policies that have led to this, in fact demanding we go faster and further.
Why would they complain ? They'll just enjoy the spectacle from the sidelines.
And complain about the cut in universal credit.
Yep. It's the old more Tories voted for the Iraq War than Labour argument. They can't even abolish VAT and expect a wave of gratitude that bills have gone up a mere 45%.
Besides, that would be expensive, and Boris is (struggles to get the words out...) right on this one.
If fuel is more expensive, that's unfortunate but tough. We either pay directly (higher bills) or indirectly (higher taxes to subsidise the fuel bills).
But that cut in UC, which could have protected the needy, looks even dumber and meaner now than it did at the time, especially since something like this was clearly in the works.
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
There's a BritNat vibe with the (currently) ascendant wing of the Tory Party though. I know you agree with this because you've often lamented it - quite eloquently at times too.
There is certainly a "vibe", which is very regrettable, but to call it a BritNat party is the kind of ridiculous and misleading hyperbole beloved of Scottish Nationalists.
Are you sure that Gandhi wasn't an anti-British racist?
It's the lawlessness that might do it for this government.
I've had three motor scooters stolen in the last 14 months. The second was filmed on two separate CCTV cameras. The police were inaccessible on all three occasions. The only way of contacting them is online or dialling 999 which mustn't be used other than in an emergency "or you could be putting someone's life at risk" .
Having done a little detective work online it appears these thefts have reached epidemic proportions. The common thread is we don't have a functioning police force.
Welcome to the world of de-prioritised crime.
A farmer I knew never could get the police interested in the steady stream of thefts over the years.
When he started putting a roof on an ancient stone walled building (a farm cottage that hadn't been lived in since year X and was just the walls and grass) to create a secure store for some equipment, the planning officers and police were out in force. Within hours of the day he started work.
There was a break in November last year at the firm next to work. Window smashed, place ransacked and about £10k of stuff, mostly power tools disappeared. It turned up yesterday on Facebook marketplace, about 30 miles away. One of their lads went over to the lad selling it, and bought a drill back - and got shown almost all the stolen stuff, plus a lot that's presumably other people's, in a garden shed. So they rang plod with the crime number to tell them to stroll on down, collect the bloke and our gear and they'd be looking forward to his court appearance for handling stolen goods.
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow. The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
You seem to know some lovely people.
Perhaps you should get them together under an umbrella organisation and make a bid for wholesale replacement of the Metropolitan Police Service?
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
There's a BritNat vibe with the (currently) ascendant wing of the Tory Party though. I know you agree with this because you've often lamented it - quite eloquently at times too.
There is certainly a "vibe", which is very regrettable, but to call it a BritNat party is the kind of ridiculous and misleading hyperbole beloved of Scottish Nationalists.
Are you sure that Gandhi wasn't an anti-British racist?
My daughters (fully signed up to all the fashionable stuff) go off on a rant when Gandhi is mentioned. Apparently he would be cancelled if still alive.
Fuel prices are going to be a major issue for the govt come April and it is, partly, of their own making.
Gas prices in Europe, per therm, are going up and are high but nowhere near as high as ours.
It serves the govt right if this blows up in their face.
Other politicians in other parties cannot complain, they are advocating the same sort of policies that have led to this, in fact demanding we go faster and further.
Why would they complain ? They'll just enjoy the spectacle from the sidelines.
And complain about the cut in universal credit.
Yep. It's the old more Tories voted for the Iraq War than Labour argument. They can't even abolish VAT and expect a wave of gratitude that bills have gone up a mere 45%.
Besides, that would be expensive, and Boris is (struggles to get the words out...) right on this one.
If fuel is more expensive, that's unfortunate but tough. We either pay directly (higher bills) or indirectly (higher taxes to subsidise the fuel bills).
But that cut in UC, which could have protected the needy, looks even dumber and meaner now than it did at the time, especially since something like this was clearly in the works.
I have the same instinct on this. I think the energy markets should basically be a free market. Get rid of the cap etc, then be generous with UC.
Not really - it seems Djokovic is trying to pull a fast one.
At best its the Australian Tennis Authorities that have screwed something up but the end result will be the same Djokovic will be heading home as a Vaccine martyr.
It's the lawlessness that might do it for this government.
I've had three motor scooters stolen in the last 14 months. The second was filmed on two separate CCTV cameras. The police were inaccessible on all three occasions. The only way of contacting them is online or dialling 999 which mustn't be used other than in an emergency "or you could be putting someone's life at risk" .
Having done a little detective work online it appears these thefts have reached epidemic proportions. The common thread is we don't have a functioning police force.
Welcome to the world of de-prioritised crime.
A farmer I knew never could get the police interested in the steady stream of thefts over the years.
When he started putting a roof on an ancient stone walled building (a farm cottage that hadn't been lived in since year X and was just the walls and grass) to create a secure store for some equipment, the planning officers and police were out in force. Within hours of the day he started work.
There was a break in November last year at the firm next to work. Window smashed, place ransacked and about £10k of stuff, mostly power tools disappeared. It turned up yesterday on Facebook marketplace, about 30 miles away. One of their lads went over to the lad selling it, and bought a drill back - and got shown almost all the stolen stuff, plus a lot that's presumably other people's, in a garden shed. So they rang plod with the crime number to tell them to stroll on down, collect the bloke and our gear and they'd be looking forward to his court appearance for handling stolen goods.
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow. The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
You seem to know some lovely people.
Perhaps you should get them together under an umbrella organisation and make a bid for wholesale replacement of the Metropolitan Police Service?
The thread headline is equally applicable to the practical options re Covid.
At the moment, the Government has staked all on vaccination alone, yet is doing next to nothing beyond exhortation to ensure the uptake of vaccination. It's like staking all on a card in poker while letting your opponents see what the card is. More needs to be done - Johnson needs another string to his bow.
Those options boil down to simply: 1. More restrictions on everyday life applied to all, in various shades of additional lockdown. All of which has been ruled out. 2. Measures beyond exhortation to significantly increase the uptake of vaccinations. That's the approach being taken on the continent, in the form of either incentives or in a few cases compulsion.
For me it should be a combination of extra restrictions and financial penalties targeted at the unvaccinated combined with financial carrots for those that do the right thing.
I'm pretty uncomfortable with any restrictions on the unvaxxed. For me, restrictions in general are not only bad because they are not effective enough to justify the huge cost/imposition (which is the rational argument), but they are bad in principle - whether they are aimed at me or not. So I am uncomfortable with restrictions on cinemas and theatres even though I have no intention of going to one; and I am uncomfortable wit hrestrictions on the unvaxxed even though I am vaxxed.
The government is there to serve the people, not harangue or threaten them. The people aren't the government's opponents. Though I'm sure you're talking in the narrower sense of the government serving the interests of the whole population by taking on a small subset of it.
I'm not that keen on financial carrots, but only on a does-it-work-and-can-we-afford-it question. I suppose you could possibly make a case that the benefit to the economy of getting people vaxxed is worth the spend on incentives, but it doesn't strike me as obvious that this is the case.
Basically, as I see it, we just have to ride this thing out. Over 90% of the population have been jabbed without having to resort to any particularly regrettable measures. That's pretty good, no?
...
However, a fair compromise on masks would be to make them compulsory for essential settings – groceries, public transport and the like – and voluntary for discretionary settings....
Clever move by PM Scott Morrison in an election year too, say Djokovic cannot be allowed in without more proof and blame the Labor controlled Victoria state government for allowing him in
It's the lawlessness that might do it for this government.
I've had three motor scooters stolen in the last 14 months. The second was filmed on two separate CCTV cameras. The police were inaccessible on all three occasions. The only way of contacting them is online or dialling 999 which mustn't be used other than in an emergency "or you could be putting someone's life at risk" .
Having done a little detective work online it appears these thefts have reached epidemic proportions. The common thread is we don't have a functioning police force.
Welcome to the world of de-prioritised crime.
A farmer I knew never could get the police interested in the steady stream of thefts over the years.
When he started putting a roof on an ancient stone walled building (a farm cottage that hadn't been lived in since year X and was just the walls and grass) to create a secure store for some equipment, the planning officers and police were out in force. Within hours of the day he started work.
There was a break in November last year at the firm next to work. Window smashed, place ransacked and about £10k of stuff, mostly power tools disappeared. It turned up yesterday on Facebook marketplace, about 30 miles away. One of their lads went over to the lad selling it, and bought a drill back - and got shown almost all the stolen stuff, plus a lot that's presumably other people's, in a garden shed. So they rang plod with the crime number to tell them to stroll on down, collect the bloke and our gear and they'd be looking forward to his court appearance for handling stolen goods.
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow. The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
You seem to know some lovely people.
Perhaps you should get them together under an umbrella organisation and make a bid for wholesale replacement of the Metropolitan Police Service?
Be careful not to tweet that, they'll be right on your case.
Not really - it seems Djokovic is trying to pull a fast one.
At best its the Australian Tennis Authorities that have screwed something up but the end result will be the same Djokovic will be heading home as a Vaccine martyr.
It's also internal politics. Victoria is opposition controlled and had let him in. Morrison has been copping some flak federally about the pandemic and has an eye on the election. This one could run.
It's the lawlessness that might do it for this government.
I've had three motor scooters stolen in the last 14 months. The second was filmed on two separate CCTV cameras. The police were inaccessible on all three occasions. The only way of contacting them is online or dialling 999 which mustn't be used other than in an emergency "or you could be putting someone's life at risk" .
Having done a little detective work online it appears these thefts have reached epidemic proportions. The common thread is we don't have a functioning police force.
Welcome to the world of de-prioritised crime.
A farmer I knew never could get the police interested in the steady stream of thefts over the years.
When he started putting a roof on an ancient stone walled building (a farm cottage that hadn't been lived in since year X and was just the walls and grass) to create a secure store for some equipment, the planning officers and police were out in force. Within hours of the day he started work.
There was a break in November last year at the firm next to work. Window smashed, place ransacked and about £10k of stuff, mostly power tools disappeared. It turned up yesterday on Facebook marketplace, about 30 miles away. One of their lads went over to the lad selling it, and bought a drill back - and got shown almost all the stolen stuff, plus a lot that's presumably other people's, in a garden shed. So they rang plod with the crime number to tell them to stroll on down, collect the bloke and our gear and they'd be looking forward to his court appearance for handling stolen goods.
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow. The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
You seem to know some lovely people.
Perhaps you should get them together under an umbrella organisation and make a bid for wholesale replacement of the Metropolitan Police Service?
They certainly would be more effective.
Not sure. Too much of an opening for combining that with doing the thieving. Like the chap who contracted for the service before Fielding. That's privatization for you.
The thread headline is equally applicable to the practical options re Covid.
At the moment, the Government has staked all on vaccination alone, yet is doing next to nothing beyond exhortation to ensure the uptake of vaccination. It's like staking all on a card in poker while letting your opponents see what the card is. More needs to be done - Johnson needs another string to his bow.
Those options boil down to simply: 1. More restrictions on everyday life applied to all, in various shades of additional lockdown. All of which has been ruled out. 2. Measures beyond exhortation to significantly increase the uptake of vaccinations. That's the approach being taken on the continent, in the form of either incentives or in a few cases compulsion.
For me it should be a combination of extra restrictions and financial penalties targeted at the unvaccinated combined with financial carrots for those that do the right thing.
I'm pretty uncomfortable with any restrictions on the unvaxxed. For me, restrictions in general are not only bad because they are not effective enough to justify the huge cost/imposition (which is the rational argument), but they are bad in principle - whether they are aimed at me or not. So I am uncomfortable with restrictions on cinemas and theatres even though I have no intention of going to one; and I am uncomfortable wit hrestrictions on the unvaxxed even though I am vaxxed.
The government is there to serve the people, not harangue or threaten them. The people aren't the government's opponents. Though I'm sure you're talking in the narrower sense of the government serving the interests of the whole population by taking on a small subset of it.
I'm not that keen on financial carrots, but only on a does-it-work-and-can-we-afford-it question. I suppose you could possibly make a case that the benefit to the economy of getting people vaxxed is worth the spend on incentives, but it doesn't strike me as obvious that this is the case.
Basically, as I see it, we just have to ride this thing out. Over 90% of the population have been jabbed without having to resort to any particularly regrettable measures. That's pretty good, no?
Well I'd generally agree, except for your last point.
Forcing theatregoers to wear masks is extremely regrettable, as going to the theatre is a social and indeed romantic activity, like going to the pub or restaurant, and it's similarly discretionary. If you are worried about covid, don't go to the theatre. Making everyone wear a mask therein just ruins the experience for many (who wants to go on a date and wear a mask?) and has almost no benefit (everyone takes their mask off to drink in the theatre bar anyway – the entire concept is ludicrous).
I have similar views about masks in fashion stores. Now, going clothes shopping is not something I ever do. Yet for many millions of people (mainly, not exclusively, women) it's a leisure activity. It is also discretionary – if you are worried about covid, don't spend Saturday afternoon pounding the shops with your girlfriends.
I would have no mask mandates at all. They strike me as a major imposition for little benefit against omicron, and those that are concerned can get an FFP3 mask. Indeed I would state-fund said masks for the vulnerable.
However, a fair compromise on masks would be to make them compulsory for essential settings – groceries, public transport and the like – and voluntary for discretionary settings.
As it is, we have a ludicrous muddle whereby pubs, restaurants and clubs are (rightly) mask free but theatres and boutiques are enforced masks.
Regrettable? You bet.
Yes, I'd agree with all that. My point is that no particular coercion was needed to get people to get jabbed. I agree with your views about masking.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
I used to work with a woman who was from Kazakhstan but of Russian origin. Her family had been deported there from Russia in Stalin's time for some crime real or (more than likely) imagined. They were kicked off the train by an empty, snow covered field and told to dig in, this was their new home.
She's no fan of Russia, or Kazakhstan, she got to the west as soon as she could. I wonder how many of those 3.5m Kazakh Russians harbour similar feelings towards the Rodina, and Putin, now.
We did this the other day. Its was reported on about for a month ago, roughly same time as Omicron started to gain traction. The media are picking it up again because of a paper is by Mr hydroxychloroquine has been put on medRxiv.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
ISTM that "kids" is vaguely pejorative; horrid/horrible I would see more as a class indicator, likewise pudding and dessert; and movie is just going with the times as most people consume films on US streaming services and those films in any case are usually US-made.
I see kids more as informal than pejorative. But if OKC sees it as pejorative I can see why. Horrid feels horribly Enid Blyton and twee. (I have actually read a good argument that horrid is the least horrible of the four horrible words, which, getting more horrible, are horrid, horrible, horrendous and horrific. So perhaps has a use as 'horrible, but not that horrible'.) Movie is just not as good a word as film. I have also seen an argument that movie denotes a certain sort of film - big Hollywood blockbuster - whereas film is its more thoughtful or arty counterpart. Again, I could get on board with that. But movie seems to just be used for all films nowadays. Sigh. And dessert just sounds to me like an affectation. Though I have an Irish friend who finds the word pudding hilarious - hears it as very English and therefore very posh, which is kind of the reverse of how I hear it.
Never really had an issue with the horri family. Technically, what is horrible or horrendous is what makes you bristle, and horrid is the state you are consequently in on seeing something horrible.
Cf suck and suckle: babies suck, mothers suckle.
Objections to "kids" have completely floored me.
There are many meanings "pudding", including "you great daft pudding".
"Kids" it is a long lost cause. "Dessert" rather than pudding annoys still. I get irritated when "students" is used to describe under 18s at school rather than pupils.
You should all count yourself lucky in having nothing more serious to worry about.
Depends on on how well the SNP does overall, if they get over 45% of the constituency vote they will completely dominate anyway. In the latest Redfield poll, despite Labour moving back into 2nd place the SNP lead over Labour is still the same as 2015. On those figures, only East Lothian is a sort of credible target for Labour.
The problem with East Lothian (the new constituency is called East Lothian Coast by the way) is that the Tories also target that seat. Which one of the BritNat parties do Unionists vote for?
There are no "BritNat" parties, except perhaps UKIP and its derivatives and the largely defuncted one that shares two of its initials and a lot of its modus operandi of division, prejudice and hatred with the one that you support.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
It's the lawlessness that might do it for this government.
I've had three motor scooters stolen in the last 14 months. The second was filmed on two separate CCTV cameras. The police were inaccessible on all three occasions. The only way of contacting them is online or dialling 999 which mustn't be used other than in an emergency "or you could be putting someone's life at risk" .
Having done a little detective work online it appears these thefts have reached epidemic proportions. The common thread is we don't have a functioning police force.
Welcome to the world of de-prioritised crime.
A farmer I knew never could get the police interested in the steady stream of thefts over the years.
When he started putting a roof on an ancient stone walled building (a farm cottage that hadn't been lived in since year X and was just the walls and grass) to create a secure store for some equipment, the planning officers and police were out in force. Within hours of the day he started work.
There was a break in November last year at the firm next to work. Window smashed, place ransacked and about £10k of stuff, mostly power tools disappeared. It turned up yesterday on Facebook marketplace, about 30 miles away. One of their lads went over to the lad selling it, and bought a drill back - and got shown almost all the stolen stuff, plus a lot that's presumably other people's, in a garden shed. So they rang plod with the crime number to tell them to stroll on down, collect the bloke and our gear and they'd be looking forward to his court appearance for handling stolen goods.
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow. The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
You seem to know some lovely people.
Perhaps you should get them together under an umbrella organisation and make a bid for wholesale replacement of the Metropolitan Police Service?
Could be a plan, but I'm going to struggle to fulfil the diversity quota for incompetent lesbians in senior management.
ISTM that "kids" is vaguely pejorative; horrid/horrible I would see more as a class indicator, likewise pudding and dessert; and movie is just going with the times as most people consume films on US streaming services and those films in any case are usually US-made.
I see kids more as informal than pejorative. But if OKC sees it as pejorative I can see why. Horrid feels horribly Enid Blyton and twee. (I have actually read a good argument that horrid is the least horrible of the four horrible words, which, getting more horrible, are horrid, horrible, horrendous and horrific. So perhaps has a use as 'horrible, but not that horrible'.) Movie is just not as good a word as film. I have also seen an argument that movie denotes a certain sort of film - big Hollywood blockbuster - whereas film is its more thoughtful or arty counterpart. Again, I could get on board with that. But movie seems to just be used for all films nowadays. Sigh. And dessert just sounds to me like an affectation. Though I have an Irish friend who finds the word pudding hilarious - hears it as very English and therefore very posh, which is kind of the reverse of how I hear it.
Never really had an issue with the horri family. Technically, what is horrible or horrendous is what makes you bristle, and horrid is the state you are consequently in on seeing something horrible.
Cf suck and suckle: babies suck, mothers suckle.
Objections to "kids" have completely floored me.
There are many meanings "pudding", including "you great daft pudding".
"Kids" it is a long lost cause. "Dessert" rather than pudding annoys still. I get irritated when "students" is used to describe under 18s at school rather than pupils.
You should all count yourself lucky in having nothing more serious to worry about.
It's the lawlessness that might do it for this government.
I've had three motor scooters stolen in the last 14 months. The second was filmed on two separate CCTV cameras. The police were inaccessible on all three occasions. The only way of contacting them is online or dialling 999 which mustn't be used other than in an emergency "or you could be putting someone's life at risk" .
Having done a little detective work online it appears these thefts have reached epidemic proportions. The common thread is we don't have a functioning police force.
Welcome to the world of de-prioritised crime.
A farmer I knew never could get the police interested in the steady stream of thefts over the years.
When he started putting a roof on an ancient stone walled building (a farm cottage that hadn't been lived in since year X and was just the walls and grass) to create a secure store for some equipment, the planning officers and police were out in force. Within hours of the day he started work.
There was a break in November last year at the firm next to work. Window smashed, place ransacked and about £10k of stuff, mostly power tools disappeared. It turned up yesterday on Facebook marketplace, about 30 miles away. One of their lads went over to the lad selling it, and bought a drill back - and got shown almost all the stolen stuff, plus a lot that's presumably other people's, in a garden shed. So they rang plod with the crime number to tell them to stroll on down, collect the bloke and our gear and they'd be looking forward to his court appearance for handling stolen goods.
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow. The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
You seem to know some lovely people.
Perhaps you should get them together under an umbrella organisation and make a bid for wholesale replacement of the Metropolitan Police Service?
Be careful not to tweet that, they'll be right on your case.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
'God I wish I was French', never thought I would see that in a TSE post!
Hmm. Is 46 a ludicrously high or laughably small number of mutations? I have honestly no idea, and wouldn't be surprised by either. Nor if it was pretty standard. This pandemic certainly has exposed some gaps in everyone's knowledge I reckon.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
I used to work with a woman who was from Kazakhstan but of Russian origin. Her family had been deported there from Russia in Stalin's time for some crime real or (more than likely) imagined. They were kicked off the train by an empty, snow covered field and told to dig in, this was their new home.
She's no fan of Russia, or Kazakhstan, she got to the west as soon as she could. I wonder how many of those 3.5m Kazakh Russians harbour similar feelings towards the Rodina, and Putin, now.
Yes, the theory is Putin could use the unrest to annex “north Kazakhstan” - as that’s where most ethnic Russians live. But do they particularly want to be annexed?
Kazakh GDP per capita is actually higher than Russia’s. They are slightly richer. Ukraine was and is much poorer. A different situation
We are out of the EU, have ended free movement and left the CFP and have trade deals with Australia and NZ and are spending more on the NHS. That is what they were promised
ISTM that "kids" is vaguely pejorative; horrid/horrible I would see more as a class indicator, likewise pudding and dessert; and movie is just going with the times as most people consume films on US streaming services and those films in any case are usually US-made.
I see kids more as informal than pejorative. But if OKC sees it as pejorative I can see why. Horrid feels horribly Enid Blyton and twee. (I have actually read a good argument that horrid is the least horrible of the four horrible words, which, getting more horrible, are horrid, horrible, horrendous and horrific. So perhaps has a use as 'horrible, but not that horrible'.) Movie is just not as good a word as film. I have also seen an argument that movie denotes a certain sort of film - big Hollywood blockbuster - whereas film is its more thoughtful or arty counterpart. Again, I could get on board with that. But movie seems to just be used for all films nowadays. Sigh. And dessert just sounds to me like an affectation. Though I have an Irish friend who finds the word pudding hilarious - hears it as very English and therefore very posh, which is kind of the reverse of how I hear it.
Never really had an issue with the horri family. Technically, what is horrible or horrendous is what makes you bristle, and horrid is the state you are consequently in on seeing something horrible.
Cf suck and suckle: babies suck, mothers suckle.
Objections to "kids" have completely floored me.
There are many meanings "pudding", including "you great daft pudding".
"Kids" it is a long lost cause. "Dessert" rather than pudding annoys still. I get irritated when "students" is used to describe under 18s at school rather than pupils.
You should all count yourself lucky in having nothing more serious to worry about.
It's the lawlessness that might do it for this government.
I've had three motor scooters stolen in the last 14 months. The second was filmed on two separate CCTV cameras. The police were inaccessible on all three occasions. The only way of contacting them is online or dialling 999 which mustn't be used other than in an emergency "or you could be putting someone's life at risk" .
Having done a little detective work online it appears these thefts have reached epidemic proportions. The common thread is we don't have a functioning police force.
Welcome to the world of de-prioritised crime.
A farmer I knew never could get the police interested in the steady stream of thefts over the years.
When he started putting a roof on an ancient stone walled building (a farm cottage that hadn't been lived in since year X and was just the walls and grass) to create a secure store for some equipment, the planning officers and police were out in force. Within hours of the day he started work.
There was a break in November last year at the firm next to work. Window smashed, place ransacked and about £10k of stuff, mostly power tools disappeared. It turned up yesterday on Facebook marketplace, about 30 miles away. One of their lads went over to the lad selling it, and bought a drill back - and got shown almost all the stolen stuff, plus a lot that's presumably other people's, in a garden shed. So they rang plod with the crime number to tell them to stroll on down, collect the bloke and our gear and they'd be looking forward to his court appearance for handling stolen goods.
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow. The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
You seem to know some lovely people.
Perhaps you should get them together under an umbrella organisation and make a bid for wholesale replacement of the Metropolitan Police Service?
Could be a plan, but I'm going to struggle to fulfil the diversity quota for incompetent lesbians in senior management.
Surely you just list some staff as self identifying as....
Hmm. Is 46 a ludicrously high or laughably small number of mutations? I have honestly no idea, and wouldn't be surprised by either. Nor if it was pretty standard. This pandemic certainly has exposed some gaps in everyone's knowledge I reckon.
The “IHU variant” may not even be newer than the Omicron variant. The first reported case was detected in mid-November 2021. This may have predated reports of the Omicron variant spreading in South Africa. Since then, at least 11 other people in the same vicinity have tested positive for the B.1.640.2 variant.
Doesn't seem that we should be that concerned if since he has been discovered, Omicron is ripping through the whole world, millions and millions of cases per day, and this, a few handfuls in 6-7 weeks.
ISTM that "kids" is vaguely pejorative; horrid/horrible I would see more as a class indicator, likewise pudding and dessert; and movie is just going with the times as most people consume films on US streaming services and those films in any case are usually US-made.
I see kids more as informal than pejorative. But if OKC sees it as pejorative I can see why. Horrid feels horribly Enid Blyton and twee. (I have actually read a good argument that horrid is the least horrible of the four horrible words, which, getting more horrible, are horrid, horrible, horrendous and horrific. So perhaps has a use as 'horrible, but not that horrible'.) Movie is just not as good a word as film. I have also seen an argument that movie denotes a certain sort of film - big Hollywood blockbuster - whereas film is its more thoughtful or arty counterpart. Again, I could get on board with that. But movie seems to just be used for all films nowadays. Sigh. And dessert just sounds to me like an affectation. Though I have an Irish friend who finds the word pudding hilarious - hears it as very English and therefore very posh, which is kind of the reverse of how I hear it.
Never really had an issue with the horri family. Technically, what is horrible or horrendous is what makes you bristle, and horrid is the state you are consequently in on seeing something horrible.
Cf suck and suckle: babies suck, mothers suckle.
Objections to "kids" have completely floored me.
There are many meanings "pudding", including "you great daft pudding".
"Kids" it is a long lost cause. "Dessert" rather than pudding annoys still. I get irritated when "students" is used to describe under 18s at school rather than pupils.
You should all count yourself lucky in having nothing more serious to worry about.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
Hardly surprising
The unvaccinated aren't Macron supporters and they will probably nicely split that sector in the initial voting so that Macron has an easy opponent in the run-off.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
Thanks for this. Vital stuff. Can you please keep us informed about the situation in Kazakhstan as your particular insight is very useful on the subject.
TIA.
I felt the discussion on the relative poshness of the terms “granny”, “gran”, “grandma”, “nan”, “nonna” and “nonnarrr” had reached a natural terminus
This is another excellent source for news on Kazakhstan.
Hmm. Is 46 a ludicrously high or laughably small number of mutations? I have honestly no idea, and wouldn't be surprised by either. Nor if it was pretty standard. This pandemic certainly has exposed some gaps in everyone's knowledge I reckon.
To be honest most people outside science can't tell the difference between a subscript and a superscript in a chemical formula/symbol, so a detailed understanding of viral mutation is very much going to be beyond them...
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
I used to work with a woman who was from Kazakhstan but of Russian origin. Her family had been deported there from Russia in Stalin's time for some crime real or (more than likely) imagined. They were kicked off the train by an empty, snow covered field and told to dig in, this was their new home.
She's no fan of Russia, or Kazakhstan, she got to the west as soon as she could. I wonder how many of those 3.5m Kazakh Russians harbour similar feelings towards the Rodina, and Putin, now.
Yes, the theory is Putin could use the unrest to annex “north Kazakhstan” - as that’s where most ethnic Russians live. But do they particularly want to be annexed?
Kazakh GDP per capita is actually higher than Russia’s. They are slightly richer. Ukraine was and is much poorer. A different situation
Is that so? Now there's something I wouldn't have intuitively guessed. Apart from incorrectly.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
Guys, B.1.640.2 isn’t new. It actually PREDATES Omicron. It's a sub-lineage of B.1.640- which caused some concern back in mid-November but couldn’t even compete with Delta. B.1.640.2 was first sequenced OVER a month ago and was officially recognized as a lineage in December.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
I think life is going to be increasingly restricted for anti-vaxxers. I think the UK will continue to go down the softly softly approach, but elsewhere I don't think Macron's stance will be very uncommon.
Lots of videos of army/cops surrendering to people. Not sure how the vids are getting out, as Kazakh internet is down 🤷♂️
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
I used to work with a woman who was from Kazakhstan but of Russian origin. Her family had been deported there from Russia in Stalin's time for some crime real or (more than likely) imagined. They were kicked off the train by an empty, snow covered field and told to dig in, this was their new home.
She's no fan of Russia, or Kazakhstan, she got to the west as soon as she could. I wonder how many of those 3.5m Kazakh Russians harbour similar feelings towards the Rodina, and Putin, now.
Yes, the theory is Putin could use the unrest to annex “north Kazakhstan” - as that’s where most ethnic Russians live. But do they particularly want to be annexed?
Kazakh GDP per capita is actually higher than Russia’s. They are slightly richer. Ukraine was and is much poorer. A different situation
Is that so? Now there's something I wouldn't have intuitively guessed. Apart from incorrectly.
Kazakhstan: Relatively small population, lots of oil, gas, minerals
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
Hardly surprising
The unvaccinated aren't Macron supporters and they will probably nicely split that sector in the initial voting so that Macron has an easy opponent in the run-off.
Note even Pecresse joined Le Pen in criticising Macron's remarks, saying the way forward was "You have to accept them as they are - lead them, bring them together and not insult them," she knows she cannot afford any leakage to Le Pen and Zemmour to get to the runoff. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
Guys, B.1.640.2 isn’t new. It actually PREDATES Omicron. It's a sub-lineage of B.1.640- which caused some concern back in mid-November but couldn’t even compete with Delta. B.1.640.2 was first sequenced OVER a month ago and was officially recognized as a lineage in December.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
Not just humans, I'll add. They scare pets and livestock, too.
They’re hideous. They make me murderously angry. Lots in north London
But also lots in the countryside and lots across mainland Europe. Ban them
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
Not just the bikes. Don't forget about Corsas and their ilk.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
Yep. Strangely. On the topic of gaps in knowledge I complained to my partner of 33 years about this just the other day. She didn't even realise this was a thing. She thought they were just faulty. I had to spend some time convincing her I wasn't winding her up. "You mean people deliberately make their engines sound like that? Why?" Because they are arseholes. No really why? Arseholes. Etc.
Putin meddling in a bit of Kazakhstan would be great news for the West. Distracts him, sucks a load of money and effort into a region of limited geopolitical importance to us (so long as he leaves the South and central regions alone) and might even have the double bonus of annoying the Chinese a bit.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
Yep. Strangely. On the topic of gaps in knowledge I complained to my partner of 33 years about this just the other day. She didn't even realise this was a thing. She thought they were just faulty. I had to spend some time convincing her I wasn't winding her up. "You mean people deliberately make their engines sound like that? Why?" Because they are arseholes. No really why? Arseholes. Etc.
A lot of people hate these horrible machines. I have normally calm friends who will happily rant about them
So I don’t understand why a political party hasn’t taken it up as an issue. “We will ban them”. Thus making everyone’s life that little bit better, apart from the selfish arseholes that ride them
It will cost virtually nothing, it’s easy to do, it will be widely popular, it’s practical pavement politics.
I note there is a Times leader on this point today, so maybe it will finally happen
We are out of the EU, have ended free movement and left the CFP and have trade deals with Australia and NZ and are spending more on the NHS. That is what they were promised
Yet you voted REMAIN in 2016. You're not one of us, HYUFD. You're NOT a True Be-Leaver!
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
Yep. Strangely. On the topic of gaps in knowledge I complained to my partner of 33 years about this just the other day. She didn't even realise this was a thing. She thought they were just faulty. I had to spend some time convincing her I wasn't winding her up. "You mean people deliberately make their engines sound like that? Why?" Because they are arseholes. No really why? Arseholes. Etc.
Same here. Is this one of those things that nobody comments on for years and accepts as just a fact of life, then everyone suddenly notices and decides enough is enough. I agree, they're a menace
ISTM that "kids" is vaguely pejorative; horrid/horrible I would see more as a class indicator, likewise pudding and dessert; and movie is just going with the times as most people consume films on US streaming services and those films in any case are usually US-made.
I see kids more as informal than pejorative. But if OKC sees it as pejorative I can see why. Horrid feels horribly Enid Blyton and twee. (I have actually read a good argument that horrid is the least horrible of the four horrible words, which, getting more horrible, are horrid, horrible, horrendous and horrific. So perhaps has a use as 'horrible, but not that horrible'.) Movie is just not as good a word as film. I have also seen an argument that movie denotes a certain sort of film - big Hollywood blockbuster - whereas film is its more thoughtful or arty counterpart. Again, I could get on board with that. But movie seems to just be used for all films nowadays. Sigh. And dessert just sounds to me like an affectation. Though I have an Irish friend who finds the word pudding hilarious - hears it as very English and therefore very posh, which is kind of the reverse of how I hear it.
Never really had an issue with the horri family. Technically, what is horrible or horrendous is what makes you bristle, and horrid is the state you are consequently in on seeing something horrible.
Cf suck and suckle: babies suck, mothers suckle.
Objections to "kids" have completely floored me.
There are many meanings "pudding", including "you great daft pudding".
"Kids" it is a long lost cause. "Dessert" rather than pudding annoys still. I get irritated when "students" is used to describe under 18s at school rather than pupils.
I think dessert is one of that long line of words with French origins considered "non-U" by the upper-middle snobs, with the Germanic or at least non-French version preferred. Others include:
- Lounge vs sitting room - Pardon vs sorry or what - Settee vs sofa - Dinner vs supper (though dinner seems less frowned on than most) - Serviette vs napkin - Toilet vs loo
And so on. The crucial dividing point between the lower-middle and upper-middle class. I don't know if it's true or urban myth that this came about during the Napoleonic wars as an anti-French thing. Almost as salient as a class identifier as the preferred name for grandmother.
I claim credit for starting the 'kids' thread. Seems lazy to Mrs C. and myself, although we do use it in a casual sense sometimes. Anyway as a 60 & 70's Liberal and a committed European, lost causes aren't a problem.
Inclined to think 'students' are over 16, whether at school or some form of college. Grandson 2, now at Uni was, over Christmas, explaining the difference in attitude in Year 12...... the Lower VIth ..... to his sister and one of his cousins, both of whom are currently in Year 11.
Not sure about Lounge or sitting room; we have a lounge (or TV) area in our living room. And a dining area. But of course, we're OAP's who down-sized some years ago. Def. sofa. And dinner. Except on Sunday. Supper's later. Def. napkin, too, and toilet. And Mrs C is a Grannie. Not Granny. And def. not Nan.
When I was growing up in the 1950s we had a back room and a front room - and the front room was only used on special occasions.
Guys, B.1.640.2 isn’t new. It actually PREDATES Omicron. It's a sub-lineage of B.1.640- which caused some concern back in mid-November but couldn’t even compete with Delta. B.1.640.2 was first sequenced OVER a month ago and was officially recognized as a lineage in December.
Meanwhile in France, also in an election year, Macron says he will 'piss off' the unvaccinated and prevent them going to a restaurant, having a coffee or going to the theatre or cinema https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
God I wish I was French, I would love to be in a country run by somebody committed to pissing of the unvaccinated.
The French are also cracking down on mopeds/motorbikes with altered exhausts designed to make them louder. This may ruin @Dura_Ace’s next trip to his holiday home, but then he’s unvaxxed so he’s not going anyway
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
Not just humans, I'll add. They scare pets and livestock, too.
They’re hideous. They make me murderously angry. Lots in north London
But also lots in the countryside and lots across mainland Europe. Ban them
Agreed. It's not a big problem where I currently live -- rural -- but I know that other rural areas do have the problem. I also lived in a city for a while where it was a major issue. I have a theory that the noise triggers something primal; a loud animal roar nearby ought to make you produce a shot of adrenaline so you're ready to outrun your fellow tribesfolk and not be eaten by the nearby predator. That's going to cause stress. I'll bet it tips some people into strokes and heart attacks. If it were me in charge, I'd crush such vehicles into a small shiny cube. possibly with the drivers still on board.
Yes, it definitely triggers fight/flight. I get the literal urge to stab the drivers when they race down my road, especially at 3am. And it’s not particularly common here, whereas it is elsewhere
I read a news report a few weeks back where a guy was so outraged by his neighbour’s bikes - which had these exhausts - he went round and stabbed the bloke to death
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I’m not saying the SNP is a perfect organisation, but it is very far removed from the nest of evil that Nigel and chums try to depict.
So perhaps a few more to come elsewhere this year.
The government is there to serve the people, not harangue or threaten them. The people aren't the government's opponents. Though I'm sure you're talking in the narrower sense of the government serving the interests of the whole population by taking on a small subset of it.
I'm not that keen on financial carrots, but only on a does-it-work-and-can-we-afford-it question. I suppose you could possibly make a case that the benefit to the economy of getting people vaxxed is worth the spend on incentives, but it doesn't strike me as obvious that this is the case.
Basically, as I see it, we just have to ride this thing out. Over 90% of the population have been jabbed without having to resort to any particularly regrettable measures. That's pretty good, no?
Keep the people fed and warm: is the lesson
Not everything can be explained by your rather unusual take on English domestic legislation.
Record catch at Brixham and exports to EU rising over last year.
That was widely anticipated, and some certainly did.
But overall, it was quieter than usual in Toon.
Here is the rather downbeat report of goings on in the Chronicle.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-year-newcastle-clean-up-22620202.amp
This was typical of the trains out of Scotland to England on NYE.
Fascinating to watch
Meanwhile Russia has sent in a transport plane - to evacuate or enforce? Rumours that Putin could use the unrest to seize a chunk of the country. 3.5m Russians in Kazakhstan.
Kaz Prez will have to start shooting soon, or he’s toast
Forcing theatregoers to wear masks is extremely regrettable, as going to the theatre is a social and indeed romantic activity, like going to the pub or restaurant, and it's similarly discretionary. If you are worried about covid, don't go to the theatre. Making everyone wear a mask therein just ruins the experience for many (who wants to go on a date and wear a mask?) and has almost no benefit (everyone takes their mask off to drink in the theatre bar anyway – the entire concept is ludicrous).
I have similar views about masks in fashion stores. Now, going clothes shopping is not something I ever do. Yet for many millions of people (mainly, not exclusively, women) it's a leisure activity. It is also discretionary – if you are worried about covid, don't spend Saturday afternoon pounding the shops with your girlfriends.
I would have no mask mandates at all. They strike me as a major imposition for little benefit against omicron, and those that are concerned can get an FFP3 mask. Indeed I would state-fund said masks for the vulnerable.
However, a fair compromise on masks would be to make them compulsory for essential settings – groceries, public transport and the like – and voluntary for discretionary settings.
As it is, we have a ludicrous muddle whereby pubs, restaurants and clubs are (rightly) mask free but theatres and boutiques are enforced masks.
Regrettable? You bet.
Many on here want to carve out Covid as being something that people should take steps to prevent in themselves, in particular injecting something into their bodies, otherwise they should be denied treatment.
Such advocates however are happy that mountaineers should be treated on the NHS no matter how foolish they might be in their escapades.
TIA.
That was her mother had been, and that was what her mother's mother had been. Before that..... who knows.
Forced to spend 7 days isolating in Phuket at school's expense.
Trauma.
This is another excellent source for news on Kazakhstan.
https://twitter.com/dralakbarov/status/1478723735062466564?s=21
Twitter is at its best with unfolding events like this. Same in the Arab spring
Rang them again this morning to see how they'd got on. They had allocated it to an officer who apparently isn't on shift today. He might ring tomorrow.
The boss of this particular outfit is less than seeing the funny side. I think if the police don't move reasonably quickly, he knows some particularly unpleasant Poles with a ski-mask each... Apparently they only cost £500 an outing for debt recovery and the like.
(on this topic, I knew a scrap dealer who had a bit of a problem a few years ago with non-ferrus metals going missing overnight. Apparently after a couple of days left outside cable tied naked to a lump of steel beam with regular offers of a free castration service, the perp was quite contrite, and there was no further trouble for an extended period.)
Quite a standard feature of nationalism, to believe that *your* Nationalism is completely rational and normal. Almost to the fish-doesn't-notice-water level.
Everyone else's is obviously toxic and horrible.
Which school?
If fuel is more expensive, that's unfortunate but tough. We either pay directly (higher bills) or indirectly (higher taxes to subsidise the fuel bills).
But that cut in UC, which could have protected the needy, looks even dumber and meaner now than it did at the time, especially since something like this was clearly in the works.
Perhaps you should get them together under an umbrella organisation and make a bid for wholesale replacement of the Metropolitan Police Service?
It's a hard life especially when they are discussing current prices in Istanbul (cheap, cheap cheap for obvious reasons)..
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10370611/Tennis-Djokovic-needs-prove-exemption-home-Australian-PM.html
At best its the Australian Tennis Authorities that have screwed something up but the end result will be the same Djokovic will be heading home as a Vaccine martyr.
New variant, 46 mutations, France.
Morrison has been copping some flak federally about the pandemic and has an eye on the election. This one could run.
Edit. As @HYUFD has spotted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Wild
awesomeracist....https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/are-bored-apes-racist-
I agree with your views about masking.
She's no fan of Russia, or Kazakhstan, she got to the west as soon as she could. I wonder how many of those 3.5m Kazakh Russians harbour similar feelings towards the Rodina, and Putin, now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
Is 46 a ludicrously high or laughably small number of mutations? I have honestly no idea, and wouldn't be surprised by either. Nor if it was pretty standard.
This pandemic certainly has exposed some gaps in everyone's knowledge I reckon.
Kazakh GDP per capita is actually higher than Russia’s. They are slightly richer. Ukraine was and is much poorer. A different situation
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/01/04/new-ihu-b16402-covid-19-coronavirus-variant-detected-in-france/
Doesn't seem that we should be that concerned if since he has been discovered, Omicron is ripping through the whole world, millions and millions of cases per day, and this, a few handfuls in 6-7 weeks.
The unvaccinated aren't Macron supporters and they will probably nicely split that sector in the initial voting so that Macron has an easy opponent in the run-off.
Why can’t we do this in the UK? These bikes are a fucking menace to human sanity
@sailorscout
Guys, B.1.640.2 isn’t new. It actually PREDATES Omicron. It's a sub-lineage of B.1.640- which caused some concern back in mid-November but couldn’t even compete with Delta. B.1.640.2 was first sequenced OVER a month ago and was officially recognized as a lineage in December.
Are we on Pi or Psi?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59873833
So it's up and down the Hoon Five Hundred.
But also lots in the countryside and lots across mainland Europe. Ban them
Strangely. On the topic of gaps in knowledge I complained to my partner of 33 years about this just the other day. She didn't even realise this was a thing. She thought they were just faulty.
I had to spend some time convincing her I wasn't winding her up.
"You mean people deliberately make their engines sound like that? Why?"
Because they are arseholes.
No really why?
Arseholes.
Etc.
So I don’t understand why a political party hasn’t taken it up as an issue. “We will ban them”. Thus making everyone’s life that little bit better, apart from the selfish arseholes that ride them
It will cost virtually nothing, it’s easy to do, it will be widely popular, it’s practical pavement politics.
I note there is a Times leader on this point today, so maybe it will finally happen
https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1478723389577646081
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-59877917
When I think rum, Lithuania is not the first place I think of....in fact I think it would be the last.
I read a news report a few weeks back where a guy was so outraged by his neighbour’s bikes - which had these exhausts - he went round and stabbed the bloke to death
My reaction to the story was ambivalent