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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    UK cases per specimen date

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    Leon said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Watched Don't Look Up last night. It is properly entertaining, and a clever premise - comet as allegory for climate change. And there are some brilliant moments, especially at the start, when the astronomers encounter outrageous NORMALCY BIAS

    But then it becomes uneven in tone, sometimes low farce, sometimes witty comedy, sometimes sentimental drama, and they jar, and the parochial Americanism is tedious, especially the laboured, lazy assaults on Trumpism and silly white people. Yes yes yes we know they are awful but it's such a crappy obvious target, and it is annoying and boring.

    It's a film that wants to be Doctor Strangelove for global warming but lacks the Southern/Kubrick Strangelove script - and it lacks Peter Sellers - one star to bring together a stellar cast. Something of a missed opportunity. Coulda been a masterpiece




    For all the talk among the "right on" lefty comedians that one should only punch up and speak truth to power, it does seem thick (British / American) white working class (Brexit / Trump voter) have become the go to punch line of lazy joke in the way the "thick" Irish were at one point for right wing comedians.
    Yes, exactly. Laughing at Maga hat wearers is like laughing at Mother in Law Jokes in the 70s. Pathetically feeble comedy

    If you have to do it find a new and stealthy way, at least. The racist old school pilot was cringeworthy
    I made the mistake of watching Russell Howard's Netflix special and it was literally this....insert "right on" big talking point, e.g. trans rights...oh look thicky (puts on accent) says they ain't proppa women....rinse and repeat in between talking the piss out of his thick (white working class Bristolian) brother and mother and odd pop at Boris.
    I absolutely cannot stand the likes of Russell Howard. The only thing that separates him from racist, misogynistic old school comics of the 1970s is that the latter were sometimes funny, despite their egregious bigotry

    If you want a challenging, brilliant comedian who takes on all-comers, try Dave Chapelle? If you haven't already?

    The Closer on Netflix is magnificent. Edgy, creative, unexpected, with proper regular if shocking LOLs. And his timing is immaculate
    If you head to the Witham in Barnard Castle, joke 1 is always specsavers or equivalent just to get it out of the way
    people still doing "barnard castle eye test" material can literally get in the sea.
    They did a Barnard Castle gag at the Sunderland panto
    Point proven I think :-)
    Absolutely proven. If a joke is so tired it can only be warmed over and served at a pantomime, then it is utterly dead to the world

    Pantos were, rather strikingly, the retirement home of mother-in-law jokes. The last place they could be heard
    oh no they weren't
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    UK case per specimen date scaled to 100K

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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    That could have been better phrased!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    UK local R

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  • Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Typical wokista showing off with their metropolitan ways imo.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    edited January 2022
    Case summary

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Just because I keep getting asked about this, No 10 says the PM has been "between Chequers and Downing Street" over the Christmas/ NY period. I've got no reason to believe that's not the case... Spider

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1478025202609139723?s=20

    Why between them? Sounds a bit chilly. Couldn't he have just gone to one or the other?
    Looking at a map that puts him roughly in the Pizza Express, Woking. No sweat.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Hospitals

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  • londoneyelondoneye Posts: 112
    IshmaelZ said:

    londoneye said:

    Stocky said:

    rcs1000 said:

    londoneye said:

    read this. Omicron case rates are lowest in the unvaccinated by far

    https://twitter.com/holmenkollin/status/1477797112553390082?s=20

    The fact that he includes this chart:

    https://twitter.com/holmenkollin/status/1475724708012249090

    Rather suggests that he is not actually interested in anything other than pushing his particular line.

    Firstly, the idea that testing rates per 100k are comparable between those countries is utterly ridiculous.

    Secondly, shall we look at excess death rates for the bottom ten and the top ten?
    The evidence posted is rot - but is it totally ridiculous that at some point if not now Omicron could have a higher rate of infection on the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated? Logically it is I think possible - for instance if unvaccinated people are more likely to be isolated from others, loners and hermits maybe? Or perhaps just being more cautious because they are unvaccinated. I'm not suggesting this is happening or will happen, but it is logically possible.
    heres some more evidence showing vaccinated people more likely to be infected with omicron

    https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1474106318206255113?s=20
    Not peer reviewed, slated in comments

    "This is a faulty study, and will be either corrected or retracted once peer reviewed!

    You cannot exclude "Previously SARS-CoV-2 PCR-positive individuals" and correlate VE against the same cohort you just removed a significant percentage of them!

    You are skewing your test data significantly towards the unvaccinated cohort (which has much higher rate of PCR positive than the vaccinated cohort)

    If negative VE was not a clue for the faulty calculations, I don't know what would be!"
    thanks for that Ishmael i would appreciate your own analysis of the data as well as just copying and pasting comments from others
  • ydoethur said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    That could have been better phrased!
    Er, yes... to be fair, the competition was partly inspired by the end of the F1 season
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Breaking: the New York attorney general has subpoenaed former US president Donald Trump and his two eldest children in a probe of the family’s business
    https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1478054615996317697

    World popcorn futures up 40% on the news.

    Could he run for President from inside?
    I believe the answer is yes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Deaths

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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    edited January 2022
    Farooq said:

    Stocky said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pizza oven fired up. Results were excellent!




    And




    Easily the best pizzas I've made, would highly recommend and Ooni to anyone who makes pizza in a normal oven but would like to level up.

    I'm not normally in favour of the police being involved in social media posts, but you put unsliced olives on a pizza and deserve to be incarcerated.
    What's wriong with that? If it's the stone, those have been pipped (hole is a giveaway).
    No, not the stone. Risk of uneven cooking. Just the idea of biting into a partially cooked olive is kinda gross. Plus it'll overpower other flavours in that bite. Better to halve or quarter the olives. Personally I probably wouldn't use olives at all, but if I did I'd try to spread them out so you never have a whole one in a single bite.
    But I'm mostly being silly and in truth they look excellent. I'm suddenly quite hungry.
    Look at the photo. I think those olives have been added AFTER cooking.
    Still with the flavour. Olives tend to overpower.
    Not if you really like Olives, they look cooked and I would be happy with them and the pizza as it looks.
    PS: well maybe a bit more cheese and some chilli's since we are reviewing.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    With 32 runners this should pay out to 6th place
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Typical wokista showing off with their metropolitan ways imo.
    Neither Northern Al nor Myself count as the metro-tosser demographic.

    How dare you :smile:

    If there's a Southern Al down there in Nimbyland, however...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    That joke @Stocky - solid construction and it does have a kicker close but I'm surprised it'd top a national favourite poll. I'd say it's divisive but the main divider wouldn't be politics. Eg I think women would be less likely than men to like that joke regardless of their politics. But I can't be sure. It's a difficult and maybe impossible thing to explain, what different people find funny and why.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    Right wing comic Geoff Norcott testing new material:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLvBlVbsCY4

    “She looks like a white wine werewolf in waiting” - very good.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited January 2022
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831

    epstein giuffre deal published

    "In the document, Ms Giuffre, also referred to by her unmarried name Roberts, agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".

    The settlement's wording says she discharges "potential defendants" from any US legal action, including damages claims dating "from the beginning of the world"."

  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited January 2022
    Stocky said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pizza oven fired up. Results were excellent!




    And




    Easily the best pizzas I've made, would highly recommend and Ooni to anyone who makes pizza in a normal oven but would like to level up.

    We love our pizza oven. This is the one we have:

    https://delivita.com/

    You can pick it up and take it wherever you like in your garden. (Not when it's lit obviously.)
    How quickly did it cook them?

    I see it's made in Yorkshire. Good.
    But at £1250 or so do they sell many to Yorkshire people? :smile:
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Roger said:

    I see the anti-woke mob have got their pitchforks out and are absolutely on fire this afternoon.

    Being a simple sort of northern bloke, to me something is funny if it's funny, regardless of the target. Though being really offensive is rarely funny, and takes a rare talent to pull off.

    Two ads 25 years apart. Both tongue in cheek but only one would get through the ASA today. Both harmless but mores change.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyeSpsZdQRc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEZ2ax2-O2A

    What would the ASA’s issue be?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    While we may be ahead in cases:




    We're also ahead in testing:



    Which means our positivity rate is relatively lower:



    And we're also sequencing like few others:


  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,296

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Congrats to Northern Al. Wisdom of crowds -> average estimate pretty reasonable.
    Commiserations to Bartholomew Roberts for his heroic optimism.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    IshmaelZ said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831

    epstein giuffre deal published

    The settlement's wording says she discharges "potential defendants" from any US legal action, including damages claims dating "from the beginning of the world".

    You can’t say lawyers aren’t thorough.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    Okay, I'm persuaded.

    Time to rid ourselves of the woke liberal elite that are both running and ruining this country.

    Time for a Labour government.

    Always trying to have it both ways, aren't they?

    After umpteen years in charge "vote for us to kick the establishment!"

    Clever clever tories. They really do need watching.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    Cookie said:

    Stocky said:

    I see the anti-woke mob have got their pitchforks out and are absolutely on fire this afternoon.

    Being a simple sort of northern bloke, to me something is funny if it's funny, regardless of the target. Though being really offensive is rarely funny, and takes a rare talent to pull off.

    Being deliberately offensive is often funny surely? See Frankie Boyle.
    Yes, proves my point - he's a rare talent.
    For my taste, Frankie Boyle is not what he once was, and even back then he was borderline.
    If you're going to tell offensive jokes, they have to be very, very good to get away with it. I don't think Boyle is as offensive as he ever was but no longer as funny. For me.
    Jimmy Carr, on the other hand, is horribly offensive but just funny enough to pull it off. Again, for me.
    Both crap in my humble opinion but Carr is the crappiest of the crap.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Summary

    - Cases going up. R seems to have stabilised.
    - Admissions up in England. R rate down quite a bit, though. Now actually falling for London, for some groups.
    - Deaths are flat nationally. Still

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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Watched Don't Look Up last night. It is properly entertaining, and a clever premise - comet as allegory for climate change. And there are some brilliant moments, especially at the start, when the astronomers encounter outrageous NORMALCY BIAS

    But then it becomes uneven in tone, sometimes low farce, sometimes witty comedy, sometimes sentimental drama, and they jar, and the parochial Americanism is tedious, especially the laboured, lazy assaults on Trumpism and silly white people. Yes yes yes we know they are awful but it's such a crappy obvious target, and it is annoying and boring.

    It's a film that wants to be Doctor Strangelove for global warming but lacks the Southern/Kubrick Strangelove script - and it lacks Peter Sellers - one star to bring together a stellar cast. Something of a missed opportunity. Coulda been a masterpiece




    For all the talk among the "right on" lefty comedians that one should only punch up and speak truth to power, it does seem thick (British / American) white working class (Brexit / Trump voter) have become the go to punch line of lazy joke in the way the "thick" Irish were at one point for right wing comedians.
    Yes, exactly. Laughing at Maga hat wearers is like laughing at Mother in Law Jokes in the 70s. Pathetically feeble comedy

    If you have to do it find a new and stealthy way, at least. The racist old school pilot was cringeworthy
    I made the mistake of watching Russell Howard's Netflix special and it was literally this....insert "right on" big talking point, e.g. trans rights...oh look thicky (puts on accent) says they ain't proppa women....rinse and repeat in between talking the piss out of his thick (white working class Bristolian) brother and mother and odd pop at Boris.
    We have gone through four years plus where punchlines could be "Trump, am I right?" and people would merrily applaud.
    Better than what far too many other people did - spend those 4 years making excuses for him, having a chuckle at how he trolled the libs, downplaying the horror of his presidency, offering fatuous 'man of the world' context instead of plain & simple condemnation of his racism and misogyny and pig ignorance and utter lack of ethics, seeking to find redeeming features where there were none, drawing false equivalences with the left, pretending there was some strategic intelligence in his politics, that he'd "identified some real problems" as opposed to simply being the biggest of them, in denial at the threat to democracy and civic life he posed and staying in denial about it long past the point where anybody in their right mind could see it.

    Course people deny now that they did all or most or some of the above but I am here to inform otherwise. It was knee deep and it used to drive me potty sometimes.
    My god, you're a humourless fuckwit
    Yea, but at least he isn't a swivel-eyed c*nt!
    Boasting about yourself again
    Could have been referring to you perhaps? Can't be many unswerving fanbois for the fat little creep that was described by his own QC as a bully and a sex pest can there? How are the anger management classes going Malc? I bet those nationalistic hate filled eyes are going into swivelling overdrive as you read this eh? You silly little man.
    Change the record sad git. Crawl back under your rock with the other spineless creatures. You are like gollum a creature of teh dark who has to be pitied.
    Wow, that took your braincell a while to come up with that! A little more psychological projection from you Malc? Gollum? Is that how you see yourself? Yep, all that pent up rage, it's so sad.

    Is "My precious" your latest love-name for the fat little toad who used to have a reputation?

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Watched Don't Look Up last night. It is properly entertaining, and a clever premise - comet as allegory for climate change. And there are some brilliant moments, especially at the start, when the astronomers encounter outrageous NORMALCY BIAS

    But then it becomes uneven in tone, sometimes low farce, sometimes witty comedy, sometimes sentimental drama, and they jar, and the parochial Americanism is tedious, especially the laboured, lazy assaults on Trumpism and silly white people. Yes yes yes we know they are awful but it's such a crappy obvious target, and it is annoying and boring.

    It's a film that wants to be Doctor Strangelove for global warming but lacks the Southern/Kubrick Strangelove script - and it lacks Peter Sellers - one star to bring together a stellar cast. Something of a missed opportunity. Coulda been a masterpiece




    For all the talk among the "right on" lefty comedians that one should only punch up and speak truth to power, it does seem thick (British / American) white working class (Brexit / Trump voter) have become the go to punch line of lazy joke in the way the "thick" Irish were at one point for right wing comedians.
    Yes, exactly. Laughing at Maga hat wearers is like laughing at Mother in Law Jokes in the 70s. Pathetically feeble comedy

    If you have to do it find a new and stealthy way, at least. The racist old school pilot was cringeworthy
    I made the mistake of watching Russell Howard's Netflix special and it was literally this....insert "right on" big talking point, e.g. trans rights...oh look thicky (puts on accent) says they ain't proppa women....rinse and repeat in between talking the piss out of his thick (white working class Bristolian) brother and mother and odd pop at Boris.
    We have gone through four years plus where punchlines could be "Trump, am I right?" and people would merrily applaud.
    Better than what far too many other people did - spend those 4 years making excuses for him, having a chuckle at how he trolled the libs, downplaying the horror of his presidency, offering fatuous 'man of the world' context instead of plain & simple condemnation of his racism and misogyny and pig ignorance and utter lack of ethics, seeking to find redeeming features where there were none, drawing false equivalences with the left, pretending there was some strategic intelligence in his politics, that he'd "identified some real problems" as opposed to simply being the biggest of them, in denial at the threat to democracy and civic life he posed and staying in denial about it long past the point where anybody in their right mind could see it.

    Course people deny now that they did all or most or some of the above but I am here to inform otherwise. It was knee deep and it used to drive me potty sometimes.
    My god, you're a humourless fuckwit
    Yea, but at least he isn't a swivel-eyed c*nt!
    Boasting about yourself again
    Could have been referring to you perhaps? Can't be many unswerving fanbois for the fat little creep that was described by his own QC as a bully and a sex pest can there? How are the anger management classes going Malc? I bet those nationalistic hate filled eyes are going into swivelling overdrive as you read this eh? You silly little man.
    Change the record sad git. Crawl back under your rock with the other spineless creatures. You are like gollum a creature of teh dark who has to be pitied.
    Wow, that took your braincell a while to come up with that! A little more psychological projection from you Malc? Gollum? Is that how you see yourself? Yep, all that pent up rage, it's so sad.

    Is "My precious" your latest love-name for the fat little toad who used to have a reputation?
    Ha Ha , saddo , one day you will learn to change the record, clue for you, once you have repeated it 20 times it is even less funny than at your first attempt.. Trot on loser.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213
    MattW said:

    Stocky said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pizza oven fired up. Results were excellent!




    And




    Easily the best pizzas I've made, would highly recommend and Ooni to anyone who makes pizza in a normal oven but would like to level up.

    We love our pizza oven. This is the one we have:

    https://delivita.com/

    You can pick it up and take it wherever you like in your garden. (Not when it's lit obviously.)
    How quickly did it cook them?

    I see it's made in Yorkshire. Good.
    But at £1250 or so do they sell many to Yorkshire people? :smile:
    Yes it is pricey. The photos are Max's by the way.

    Ours reaches a remarkable temperature. I put pizza in and turn 1/3rd then 1/3rd again. Whole cooking time about 3 minutes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    edited January 2022

    ydoethur said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    That could have been better phrased!
    Er, yes... to be fair, the competition was partly inspired by the end of the F1 season
    You made a Masi've mistake?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    londoneye said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    londoneye said:

    Stocky said:

    rcs1000 said:

    londoneye said:

    read this. Omicron case rates are lowest in the unvaccinated by far

    https://twitter.com/holmenkollin/status/1477797112553390082?s=20

    The fact that he includes this chart:

    https://twitter.com/holmenkollin/status/1475724708012249090

    Rather suggests that he is not actually interested in anything other than pushing his particular line.

    Firstly, the idea that testing rates per 100k are comparable between those countries is utterly ridiculous.

    Secondly, shall we look at excess death rates for the bottom ten and the top ten?
    The evidence posted is rot - but is it totally ridiculous that at some point if not now Omicron could have a higher rate of infection on the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated? Logically it is I think possible - for instance if unvaccinated people are more likely to be isolated from others, loners and hermits maybe? Or perhaps just being more cautious because they are unvaccinated. I'm not suggesting this is happening or will happen, but it is logically possible.
    heres some more evidence showing vaccinated people more likely to be infected with omicron

    https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1474106318206255113?s=20
    Not peer reviewed, slated in comments

    "This is a faulty study, and will be either corrected or retracted once peer reviewed!

    You cannot exclude "Previously SARS-CoV-2 PCR-positive individuals" and correlate VE against the same cohort you just removed a significant percentage of them!

    You are skewing your test data significantly towards the unvaccinated cohort (which has much higher rate of PCR positive than the vaccinated cohort)

    If negative VE was not a clue for the faulty calculations, I don't know what would be!"
    thanks for that Ishmael i would appreciate your own analysis of the data as well as just copying and pasting comments from others
    OK you put your own study up on Arxiv.org and I'll give you my first hand respose to it.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213
    kinabalu said:

    That joke @Stocky - solid construction and it does have a kicker close but I'm surprised it'd top a national favourite poll. I'd say it's divisive but the main divider wouldn't be politics. Eg I think women would be less likely than men to like that joke regardless of their politics. But I can't be sure. It's a difficult and maybe impossible thing to explain, what different people find funny and why.

    You could have just laughed.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    @Malmesbury is it too early for me to worry about Lambeth (all of inner london really) looking like it might be levelling off from its fall?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    I wasn't in it so Al's win, whilst merited and congrats to him, will forever have an asterisk next to it in the history books.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    edited January 2022
    londoneye said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    londoneye said:

    Stocky said:

    rcs1000 said:

    londoneye said:

    read this. Omicron case rates are lowest in the unvaccinated by far

    https://twitter.com/holmenkollin/status/1477797112553390082?s=20

    The fact that he includes this chart:

    https://twitter.com/holmenkollin/status/1475724708012249090

    Rather suggests that he is not actually interested in anything other than pushing his particular line.

    Firstly, the idea that testing rates per 100k are comparable between those countries is utterly ridiculous.

    Secondly, shall we look at excess death rates for the bottom ten and the top ten?
    The evidence posted is rot - but is it totally ridiculous that at some point if not now Omicron could have a higher rate of infection on the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated? Logically it is I think possible - for instance if unvaccinated people are more likely to be isolated from others, loners and hermits maybe? Or perhaps just being more cautious because they are unvaccinated. I'm not suggesting this is happening or will happen, but it is logically possible.
    heres some more evidence showing vaccinated people more likely to be infected with omicron

    https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1474106318206255113?s=20
    Not peer reviewed, slated in comments

    "This is a faulty study, and will be either corrected or retracted once peer reviewed!

    You cannot exclude "Previously SARS-CoV-2 PCR-positive individuals" and correlate VE against the same cohort you just removed a significant percentage of them!

    You are skewing your test data significantly towards the unvaccinated cohort (which has much higher rate of PCR positive than the vaccinated cohort)

    If negative VE was not a clue for the faulty calculations, I don't know what would be!"
    thanks for that Ishmael i would appreciate your own analysis of the data as well as just copying and pasting comments from others
    Even if the criticism is valid?

    The authors' own suggestion of differential exposure also sounds plausible as part of the explanation. Apart from anything else, vaxports are in widespread use in Denmark, and AIUI control access to many venues and services including nightclubs, spectator sports, higher education and public transport.

    The scheme contains a negative test get-out clause, but folk are very lazy. They're less likely to go out if they need to present the QR code and do a test than if they just need to present the QR code because they've been jabbed.

    The Danish refusers may also be less likely to face exposure to the virus if they are drawn disproportionately from demographic groups that attend higher risk venues less frequently, but I don't know enough about the distribution of vaccines in Denmark to know whether or not this is relevant.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Nearly evening all :)

    On the subject of comedy and the changing times, That's TV which is on 187 on my Sky Box had three episodes of the Kenny Everett New Year Show from his time with Thames TV so 1979, 1980 and 1981.

    The obligatory message about the comedy "being of its time" was shown so I watched it.

    Like most tv comedies, there are moments of genius and sketches which don't work so well. In the three episodes, only one thing really troubled me - Hot Gossip.

    Don't get me wrong - Hot Gossip are in and of themselves quite tame these days though of course less so back then but in one of the dance routines, two of the male dancers were wearing SS uniforms.

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited January 2022

    HYUFD said:
    Nonsense map. That is not a map of control but of largest parties.
    If you read the map claims it shows both:

    Current control of councils up for election this year:

    - lighter colours represent the largest party where no party has an overall majority



  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    malcolmg said:

    Farooq said:

    Stocky said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pizza oven fired up. Results were excellent!




    And




    Easily the best pizzas I've made, would highly recommend and Ooni to anyone who makes pizza in a normal oven but would like to level up.

    I'm not normally in favour of the police being involved in social media posts, but you put unsliced olives on a pizza and deserve to be incarcerated.
    What's wriong with that? If it's the stone, those have been pipped (hole is a giveaway).
    No, not the stone. Risk of uneven cooking. Just the idea of biting into a partially cooked olive is kinda gross. Plus it'll overpower other flavours in that bite. Better to halve or quarter the olives. Personally I probably wouldn't use olives at all, but if I did I'd try to spread them out so you never have a whole one in a single bite.
    But I'm mostly being silly and in truth they look excellent. I'm suddenly quite hungry.
    Look at the photo. I think those olives have been added AFTER cooking.
    Still with the flavour. Olives tend to overpower.
    Not if you really like Olives, they look cooked and I would be happy with them and the pizza as it looks.
    PS: well maybe a bit more cheese and some chilli's since we are reviewing.
    Wot? No pineapple!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    I wasn't in it so Al's win, whilst merited and congrats to him, will forever have an asterisk next to it in the history books.
    Actually is that lower case L or uppercase I in his username? Stewards enquiry and captcha testing required prior to payout.
  • stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)

    On the subject of comedy and the changing times, That's TV which is on 187 on my Sky Box had three episodes of the Kenny Everett New Year Show from his time with Thames TV so 1979, 1980 and 1981.

    The obligatory message about the comedy "being of its time" was shown so I watched it.

    Like most tv comedies, there are moments of genius and sketches which don't work so well. In the three episodes, only one thing really troubled me - Hot Gossip.

    Don't get me wrong - Hot Gossip are in and of themselves quite tame these days though of course less so back then but in one of the dance routines, two of the male dancers were wearing SS uniforms.

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    We used to make fun of the Nazis but now we are scared of them. Is that really progress?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)

    On the subject of comedy and the changing times, That's TV which is on 187 on my Sky Box had three episodes of the Kenny Everett New Year Show from his time with Thames TV so 1979, 1980 and 1981.

    The obligatory message about the comedy "being of its time" was shown so I watched it.

    Like most tv comedies, there are moments of genius and sketches which don't work so well. In the three episodes, only one thing really troubled me - Hot Gossip.

    Don't get me wrong - Hot Gossip are in and of themselves quite tame these days though of course less so back then but in one of the dance routines, two of the male dancers were wearing SS uniforms.

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    How odd. This is not to lump BAME together, but I assume they were not Indian? There was such a thing as Indian SS - the Indische Freiwilligen Legion der Waffen-SS.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    So London hospital admissions on NYE and NYD both lower than on Xmas day and Boxing day - seems fair to assume equal reluctance to go and sit in A&E on both pairs of days, so looks plausible for being a real peak.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    kinabalu said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    I wasn't in it so Al's win, whilst merited and congrats to him, will forever have an asterisk next to it in the history books.
    You've got to be in it to win it, obvs.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)

    On the subject of comedy and the changing times, That's TV which is on 187 on my Sky Box had three episodes of the Kenny Everett New Year Show from his time with Thames TV so 1979, 1980 and 1981.

    The obligatory message about the comedy "being of its time" was shown so I watched it.

    Like most tv comedies, there are moments of genius and sketches which don't work so well. In the three episodes, only one thing really troubled me - Hot Gossip.

    Don't get me wrong - Hot Gossip are in and of themselves quite tame these days though of course less so back then but in one of the dance routines, two of the male dancers were wearing SS uniforms.

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    We used to make fun of the Nazis but now we are scared of them. Is that really progress?
    Indeed Spike Milligan and Mel Brooks did a lot of Hitler gags, at a time when Hitler was a more recent memory.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
    Yes, but I was trying to strike a median.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)

    On the subject of comedy and the changing times, That's TV which is on 187 on my Sky Box had three episodes of the Kenny Everett New Year Show from his time with Thames TV so 1979, 1980 and 1981.

    The obligatory message about the comedy "being of its time" was shown so I watched it.

    Like most tv comedies, there are moments of genius and sketches which don't work so well. In the three episodes, only one thing really troubled me - Hot Gossip.

    Don't get me wrong - Hot Gossip are in and of themselves quite tame these days though of course less so back then but in one of the dance routines, two of the male dancers were wearing SS uniforms.

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    We used to make fun of the Nazis but now we are scared of them. Is that really progress?
    No. It's the opposite. A new puritanism.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
    Yes, but I was trying to strike a median.
    You’re in one of those modes again.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited January 2022
    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    edited January 2022
    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
    Yes, but I was trying to strike a median.
    You’re in one of those modes again.
    Every time I come within range!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Quite a few larger establishments are not bothering to open at the moment because they can't cover their costs on the number of paying customers that they are allowed in.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited January 2022
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
    Yes, but I was trying to strike a median.
    Punning a la mode...
  • malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Well I had hospitality at a football match booked for yesterday. The match has now been moved to a Tuesday night in February.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Farooq said:

    Ranking by percentage difference:

    1 @Northern_Al 963451 5214 0.541
    2 @MattW 986000 17335 1.79
    3 @geoffw 987654 18989 1.96
    4 @IshmaelZ 999000 30335 3.13
    5 @Pulpstar 1000000 31335 3.23
    6 @Maffew 1000001 31336 3.23
    7 @NerysHughes 1000001 31336 3.23
    8 @Andy_JS 930000 38665 4.16
    9 @SandyRentool 1010101 41436 4.28
    10 @Nigelb 925001 43664 4.72
    11 @Fairliered 1029762 61097 6.31
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896322 72343 8.07
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1048575 79910 8.25
    14 @Benpointer 1048576 79911 8.25
    15 @IanB2 1075000 106335 11.0
    16 @MaxPB 1097642 128977 13.3
    17 @carnyx 854217 114448 13.4
    18 @londonpubman 1100000 131335 13.6
    19 @Eabhal 825000 143665 17.4
    20 @Ratters 1191428 222763 23.0
    21 @Cyclefree 1234567 265902 27.5
    22 @Anabobazina 1245609 276944 28.6
    23 @flatlander 1248510 279845 28.9
    24 @Richard_Tyndall 1264987 296322 30.6
    25 @Cyclefree 723527 245138 33.9
    26 @MightyAlex 700000 268665 38.4
    27 @Cookie 1346242 377577 39.0
    28 @pigeon 1350000 381335 39.4
    29 @OldKingCole 1389347 420682 43.4
    30 @LostPassword 1572864 604199 62.4
    31 @Endillion 525600 443065 84.3
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2001524 1032859 107.

    At least one was horribly wrong in an optimistic way.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
    Yes, but I was trying to strike a median.
    You’re in one of those modes again.
    Every time I come within range!
    A normal distribution of puns?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    "The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly" is just so bang on the money. It's why I think Death of Stalin is a great film, but can't bear 'Allo 'Allo.

    There is a stupid person trap built in to the previous sentence, please refrain from falling in to it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    Ranking by percentage difference:

    1 @Northern_Al 963451 5214 0.541
    2 @MattW 986000 17335 1.79
    3 @geoffw 987654 18989 1.96
    4 @IshmaelZ 999000 30335 3.13
    5 @Pulpstar 1000000 31335 3.23
    6 @Maffew 1000001 31336 3.23
    7 @NerysHughes 1000001 31336 3.23
    8 @Andy_JS 930000 38665 4.16
    9 @SandyRentool 1010101 41436 4.28
    10 @Nigelb 925001 43664 4.72
    11 @Fairliered 1029762 61097 6.31
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896322 72343 8.07
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1048575 79910 8.25
    14 @Benpointer 1048576 79911 8.25
    15 @IanB2 1075000 106335 11.0
    16 @MaxPB 1097642 128977 13.3
    17 @carnyx 854217 114448 13.4
    18 @londonpubman 1100000 131335 13.6
    19 @Eabhal 825000 143665 17.4
    20 @Ratters 1191428 222763 23.0
    21 @Cyclefree 1234567 265902 27.5
    22 @Anabobazina 1245609 276944 28.6
    23 @flatlander 1248510 279845 28.9
    24 @Richard_Tyndall 1264987 296322 30.6
    25 @Cyclefree 723527 245138 33.9
    26 @MightyAlex 700000 268665 38.4
    27 @Cookie 1346242 377577 39.0
    28 @pigeon 1350000 381335 39.4
    29 @OldKingCole 1389347 420682 43.4
    30 @LostPassword 1572864 604199 62.4
    31 @Endillion 525600 443065 84.3
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2001524 1032859 107.

    At least one was horribly wrong in an optimistic way.
    Wow. So you killed them all?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    @MaxPB I actually tried out your pizza dough recipe this weekend. It was an omnishambles of clusterfucks. I am too ashamed to post the photo.

    Something went wrong and the dough was too springy and when I tried to stretch it out into a circle it kept snapping back. Which meant the overall shape was like a dogs dick but it had thin bits in the middle where the cheese seeped through to the pizza stone and thick bits that didn’t cook inside.

    I shall persist…

    I think probably where I went wrong was it was still sticky after i kneaded it. Then I let it prove on the counter for a few hours because it sounded odd to do it the fridge. By which time it was massive. And then by the time I took it out the fridge the next day it had all collapsed. Finally I forgot to put anything on the pizza stone and the “pizza” stuck to it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited January 2022
    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    The allusion to Hot Gossip as a kind of Black and White Minstrel show in the predefined race-roles is interesting (Kenny Everett being satirical as the B&WMS was only 3 years off-air then?), as is the next para - which is a nice comment on the two potentially ASA-offending videos.

    As for the much-touted question about whether the dance groups are going over the top, it is rapidly answering itself. When the ladies have removed all their clothes there is nothing left to do except start putting them on again. They will put them on even faster once it becomes apparent that the eroticism which the choreographers have been so single-mindedly aiming at has been disappearing along with the cloth. There was never a sexier television dance group than Pan’s People at the height of their fame, and that was because they gave you what is known among traditional jazz-men as a flash. You can’t have a flash without a skirt.

    IMO the ASA could be offended by either; it would just depend who was on the moral panic committee that day.
  • ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
    I have sent you a message…
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    moonshine said:

    @MaxPB I actually tried out your pizza dough recipe this weekend. It was an omnishambles of clusterfucks. I am too ashamed to post the photo.

    Something went wrong and the dough was too springy and when I tried to stretch it out into a circle it kept snapping back. Which meant the overall shape was like a dogs dick but it had thin bits in the middle where the cheese seeped through to the pizza stone and thick bits that didn’t cook inside.

    I shall persist…

    I think probably where I went wrong was it was still sticky after i kneaded it. Then I let it prove on the counter for a few hours because it sounded odd to do it the fridge. By which time it was massive. And then by the time I took it out the fridge the next day it had all collapsed. Finally I forgot to put anything on the pizza stone and the “pizza” stuck to it.

    Ah yeah, you have to prove it in the fridge or it won't work. It will overprove at room temperature and just go slack.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited January 2022
    Bonus factoid.

    Hot Gossip were choreographed by one Arlene Philips.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
    I have sent you a message…
    Is it a horse's head?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    "The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly" is just so bang on the money. It's why I think Death of Stalin is a great film, but can't bear 'Allo 'Allo.

    There is a stupid person trap built in to the previous sentence, please refrain from falling in to it.
    Why can The Death of Stalin not bear 'Allo 'Allo?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Quite a few larger establishments are not bothering to open at the moment because they can't cover their costs on the number of paying customers that they are allowed in.
    Having and still being in isolation it has not affected me one bit David. However I don't think it has been anything bad other than for nightclub/large venues business owners taking another pounding for a few weeks.
    Some of our southern types witter on as if we are all behind barb wire fences whilst talking bollox about numbers , whereas it is far from true and as has been the case throughout Scotland's casualties are way below our southern neighbours. It becomes a bit tedious hearing the absolute bollox at times..
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    Stocky said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Are we not going to talk about how the average of @Cyclefree's guesses was almost as good as @Northern_Al's guess?
    That would be mean.
    An average pun, by your standards.
    I have sent you a message…
    Is it a horse's head?
    That's harsh, and somewhat undeserved, I think.
    But I shall watch out for the post just in case.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Quite a few larger establishments are not bothering to open at the moment because they can't cover their costs on the number of paying customers that they are allowed in.
    Having and still being in isolation it has not affected me one bit David. However I don't think it has been anything bad other than for nightclub/large venues business owners taking another pounding for a few weeks.
    Some of our southern types witter on as if we are all behind barb wire fences whilst talking bollox about numbers , whereas it is far from true and as has been the case throughout Scotland's casualties are way below our southern neighbours. It becomes a bit tedious hearing the absolute bollox at times..
    Oh, it's just the heaps of sheep shite and burnt oil shale blaes stopping the draught between Glasgow and Edinburgh that accounts for the lower rate apparently.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    "The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly" is just so bang on the money. It's why I think Death of Stalin is a great film, but can't bear 'Allo 'Allo.

    There is a stupid person trap built in to the previous sentence, please refrain from falling in to it.
    Why can The Death of Stalin not bear 'Allo 'Allo?
    That question would Berially hard to answer.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Well I had hospitality at a football match booked for yesterday. The match has now been moved to a Tuesday night in February.
    A couple of matches delayed, they were going to shutdown next week in any case, not exactly big stuff in the grand scheme of things. Most life is going along fairly normally, even if I am not a fan of it myself as it will change nothing. It does let the grandstanders pretend they are doing something and keeps buying them time. They do need to keep the pandemic going as long as they possibly can for sure.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492

    While we may be ahead in cases:




    We're also ahead in testing:



    Which means our positivity rate is relatively lower:



    And we're also sequencing like few others:


    I wish I was clever like you and could present images form Our Would In data, sadly I don't seem able to.

    However looking at the 8 nations you have in those 4 imagoes, if you look at the number of COVID patinates in ICU per 100,000, you see something interesting.

    USA: 53.27
    France: 52.87
    Belgium: 45.73
    Germany: 45.34
    Spain: 38.57
    Netherlands 26.9:
    Italy:21.85
    UK:12.73
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Quite a few larger establishments are not bothering to open at the moment because they can't cover their costs on the number of paying customers that they are allowed in.
    Having and still being in isolation it has not affected me one bit David. However I don't think it has been anything bad other than for nightclub/large venues business owners taking another pounding for a few weeks.
    Some of our southern types witter on as if we are all behind barb wire fences whilst talking bollox about numbers , whereas it is far from true and as has been the case throughout Scotland's casualties are way below our southern neighbours. It becomes a bit tedious hearing the absolute bollox at times..
    I imagine that your neighbours have welcomed the change though!
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    MaxPB said:

    moonshine said:

    @MaxPB I actually tried out your pizza dough recipe this weekend. It was an omnishambles of clusterfucks. I am too ashamed to post the photo.

    Something went wrong and the dough was too springy and when I tried to stretch it out into a circle it kept snapping back. Which meant the overall shape was like a dogs dick but it had thin bits in the middle where the cheese seeped through to the pizza stone and thick bits that didn’t cook inside.

    I shall persist…

    I think probably where I went wrong was it was still sticky after i kneaded it. Then I let it prove on the counter for a few hours because it sounded odd to do it the fridge. By which time it was massive. And then by the time I took it out the fridge the next day it had all collapsed. Finally I forgot to put anything on the pizza stone and the “pizza” stuck to it.

    Ah yeah, you have to prove it in the fridge or it won't work. It will overprove at room temperature and just go slack.
    Noted thanks! Quite cocky of me to mess with your recipe given I have never made bread before
  • IshmaelZ said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831

    epstein giuffre deal published

    "In the document, Ms Giuffre, also referred to by her unmarried name Roberts, agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".

    The settlement's wording says she discharges "potential defendants" from any US legal action, including damages claims dating "from the beginning of the world"."

    Whatever the merits of this particular case, I have a distinct dislike of the US system of both plea bargaining and of 'deals'. I don't know if it exists in British law but it just seems wrong to me.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    rkrkrk said:

    Competition Result - @Northern_Al is crowned Booster Superforecaster 2021

    With just Wales data missing for 31/12, the book has been closed and the result fixed.

    Highest Boosters to date: 968,665 (22/12)
    Nearest estimate: @Northern_Al 963,451
    Average estimate: 1,080,328

    The winner will be contacted shortly to arrange despatch of the prize: Prime Ministers by Iain Dale with signed dedication to Al. Removal of the forward by Boris Johnson will be at the winner's discretion.

    The full result, in order of proximity to the daily Booster maximum:

    1 @Northern_Al 963,451
    2 @MattW 986,000
    3 @geoffw 987,654
    4 @IshmaelZ 999,000
    5 @Pulpstar 1,000,000
    6 @Maffew 1,000,001
    7 @NerysHughes 1,000,001
    8 @Andy_JS 930,000
    9 @SandyRentool 1,010,101
    10 @Nigelb 925,001
    11 @Fairliered 1,029,762
    12 @Richard_Nabavi 896,322
    13 @Beibheirli_C 1,048,575
    14 @Benpointer 1,048,576
    15 @IanB2 1,075,000
    16 @carnyx 854,217
    17 @MaxPB 1,097,642
    18 @londonpubman 1,100,000
    19 @Eabhal 825,000
    20 @Ratters 1,191,428
    21 @Cyclefree 723,527
    22 @Cyclefree 1,234,567
    23 @MightyAlex 700,000
    24 @Anabobazina 1,245,609
    25 @flatlander 1,248,510
    26 @Richard_Tyndall 1,264,987
    27 @Cookie 1,346,242
    28 @pigeon 1,350,000
    29 @OldKingCole 1,389,347
    30 @Endillion 525,600
    31 @LostPassword 1,572,864
    32 @BartholomewRoberts 2,001,524

    Congrats to Northern Al. Wisdom of crowds -> average estimate pretty reasonable.
    Commiserations to Bartholomew Roberts for his heroic optimism.
    No-one spotted cyclefree’s naughty attempt to cover both bases?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    No Covid. No bets. No polls. No graphs. No numbers of any kind.

    But these two articles may be of interest to some on here -

    1. https://medium.com/@cyclefree2/perception-and-reality-7cbe78a2b679

    2. https://medium.com/@cyclefree2/the-price-of-indifference-c25d96c64e0b

    @Big_G_NorthWales may be interested in the second one as it discusses Aberfan and the recent excellent Radio Wales podcast about it.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Quite a few larger establishments are not bothering to open at the moment because they can't cover their costs on the number of paying customers that they are allowed in.
    Having and still being in isolation it has not affected me one bit David. However I don't think it has been anything bad other than for nightclub/large venues business owners taking another pounding for a few weeks.
    Some of our southern types witter on as if we are all behind barb wire fences whilst talking bollox about numbers , whereas it is far from true and as has been the case throughout Scotland's casualties are way below our southern neighbours. It becomes a bit tedious hearing the absolute bollox at times..
    I imagine that your neighbours have welcomed the change though!
    Don't give up the day job.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    moonshine said:

    @MaxPB I actually tried out your pizza dough recipe this weekend. It was an omnishambles of clusterfucks. I am too ashamed to post the photo.

    Something went wrong and the dough was too springy and when I tried to stretch it out into a circle it kept snapping back. Which meant the overall shape was like a dogs dick but it had thin bits in the middle where the cheese seeped through to the pizza stone and thick bits that didn’t cook inside.

    I shall persist…

    I think probably where I went wrong was it was still sticky after i kneaded it. Then I let it prove on the counter for a few hours because it sounded odd to do it the fridge. By which time it was massive. And then by the time I took it out the fridge the next day it had all collapsed. Finally I forgot to put anything on the pizza stone and the “pizza” stuck to it.

    But did it taste good? ;)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    edited January 2022

    IshmaelZ said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831

    epstein giuffre deal published

    "In the document, Ms Giuffre, also referred to by her unmarried name Roberts, agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".

    The settlement's wording says she discharges "potential defendants" from any US legal action, including damages claims dating "from the beginning of the world"."

    Whatever the merits of this particular case, I have a distinct dislike of the US system of both plea bargaining and of 'deals'. I don't know if it exists in British law but it just seems wrong to me.
    Remember that this is a civil action - in UK law the parties can always make a "deal" and agree to finish the case with an arrangement 'certified' (correct word?) by the Court.

    In her previous activities afaik Giuffre has always been after compensation not convictions. I may have missed one, though.

    In UK Criminal Law the deals AIUI are normally a little subliminal and revolve around what you are charged with eg "plead guilty to a lesser offence", or the police offering a caution if they are not confident of a conviction.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    CatMan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    "The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly" is just so bang on the money. It's why I think Death of Stalin is a great film, but can't bear 'Allo 'Allo.

    There is a stupid person trap built in to the previous sentence, please refrain from falling in to it.
    Read it very carefully, you will post it only once?
    'Allo, 'Allo had its moments, and certain aspects remain memes to this day. It was a spoof of the serious drama "Secret Army" which it long outlived. Like many series it went on too long.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Army_(TV_series)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    RobD said:

    moonshine said:

    @MaxPB I actually tried out your pizza dough recipe this weekend. It was an omnishambles of clusterfucks. I am too ashamed to post the photo.

    Something went wrong and the dough was too springy and when I tried to stretch it out into a circle it kept snapping back. Which meant the overall shape was like a dogs dick but it had thin bits in the middle where the cheese seeped through to the pizza stone and thick bits that didn’t cook inside.

    I shall persist…

    I think probably where I went wrong was it was still sticky after i kneaded it. Then I let it prove on the counter for a few hours because it sounded odd to do it the fridge. By which time it was massive. And then by the time I took it out the fridge the next day it had all collapsed. Finally I forgot to put anything on the pizza stone and the “pizza” stuck to it.

    But did it taste good? ;)
    Some clues in their rob, "Dog's Dick " , "seeping cheese" to name but a few that would point to the negative.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Quite a few larger establishments are not bothering to open at the moment because they can't cover their costs on the number of paying customers that they are allowed in.
    Having and still being in isolation it has not affected me one bit David. However I don't think it has been anything bad other than for nightclub/large venues business owners taking another pounding for a few weeks.
    Some of our southern types witter on as if we are all behind barb wire fences whilst talking bollox about numbers , whereas it is far from true and as has been the case throughout Scotland's casualties are way below our southern neighbours. It becomes a bit tedious hearing the absolute bollox at times..
    I imagine that your neighbours have welcomed the change though!
    Don't give up the day job.
    Someone has to sweep up.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812
    MattW said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59861831

    epstein giuffre deal published

    "In the document, Ms Giuffre, also referred to by her unmarried name Roberts, agreed to "release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge" Epstein and "any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant".

    The settlement's wording says she discharges "potential defendants" from any US legal action, including damages claims dating "from the beginning of the world"."

    Whatever the merits of this particular case, I have a distinct dislike of the US system of both plea bargaining and of 'deals'. I don't know if it exists in British law but it just seems wrong to me.
    Remember that this is a civil action - in UK law the parties can always make a "deal" and agree to finish the case with an arrangement 'certified' (correct word?) by the Court.

    In her previous activities afaik Giuffre has always been after compensation not convictions.

    In UK Criminal Law the deals AIUI are normally a little subliminal and revolve around what you are charged with eg "plead guilty to a lesser offence", or the police offering a caution if they are not confident of a conviction.
    I have to say that if that agreement was before a Scottish or English court this case would be over. Indeed, it should never have started.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    "The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly" is just so bang on the money. It's why I think Death of Stalin is a great film, but can't bear 'Allo 'Allo.

    There is a stupid person trap built in to the previous sentence, please refrain from falling in to it.
    That is class writing from CJ there.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    Elements of Glam Rock and Punk Rock fetishised Nazi uniforms as fashion accessories. See The famous Bill Grundy interview as an example.

    There was even a tomorrow people story called Hitlers Last Secret which explored the fashion for Nazi clothing. It was one of the better latter episodes.

    It is easy to forget this was a fashion that was around for a while and by 1980 was in decline.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    moonshine said:

    @MaxPB I actually tried out your pizza dough recipe this weekend. It was an omnishambles of clusterfucks. I am too ashamed to post the photo.

    Something went wrong and the dough was too springy and when I tried to stretch it out into a circle it kept snapping back. Which meant the overall shape was like a dogs dick but it had thin bits in the middle where the cheese seeped through to the pizza stone and thick bits that didn’t cook inside.

    I shall persist…

    I think probably where I went wrong was it was still sticky after i kneaded it. Then I let it prove on the counter for a few hours because it sounded odd to do it the fridge. By which time it was massive. And then by the time I took it out the fridge the next day it had all collapsed. Finally I forgot to put anything on the pizza stone and the “pizza” stuck to it.

    But did it taste good? ;)
    Some clues in their rob, "Dog's Dick " , "seeping cheese" to name but a few that would point to the negative.
    The shape of it hardly matters, might have tasted delicious.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited January 2022
    Foxy said:

    CatMan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    "The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly" is just so bang on the money. It's why I think Death of Stalin is a great film, but can't bear 'Allo 'Allo.

    There is a stupid person trap built in to the previous sentence, please refrain from falling in to it.
    Read it very carefully, you will post it only once?
    'Allo, 'Allo had its moments, and certain aspects remain memes to this day. It was a spoof of the serious drama "Secret Army" which it long outlived. Like many series it went on too long.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Army_(TV_series)
    Which was a tragedy, really, since once the prima facie jokes have worn off, Allo Allo quickly reveals itself as tired and shallow, whereas Secret Army was seriously good drama for its time, breaking ground not least in being the first dramatic attempt to explore the dynamics and tensions within the German side, and stands the test of time in re-watching even today.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    This thread has gone all thready and uncooked in the middle. (Apols to moonrabbit.)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,241
    moonshine said:

    MaxPB said:

    moonshine said:

    @MaxPB I actually tried out your pizza dough recipe this weekend. It was an omnishambles of clusterfucks. I am too ashamed to post the photo.

    Something went wrong and the dough was too springy and when I tried to stretch it out into a circle it kept snapping back. Which meant the overall shape was like a dogs dick but it had thin bits in the middle where the cheese seeped through to the pizza stone and thick bits that didn’t cook inside.

    I shall persist…

    I think probably where I went wrong was it was still sticky after i kneaded it. Then I let it prove on the counter for a few hours because it sounded odd to do it the fridge. By which time it was massive. And then by the time I took it out the fridge the next day it had all collapsed. Finally I forgot to put anything on the pizza stone and the “pizza” stuck to it.

    Ah yeah, you have to prove it in the fridge or it won't work. It will overprove at room temperature and just go slack.
    Noted thanks! Quite cocky of me to mess with your recipe given I have never made bread before
    In which case you wouldn't know that if you are going to prove dough overnight it needs to be in the fridge.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    2 pm was eating my lunch outside enjoying a warmish sun.
    Just knocked off to find heavy snow falling and already lying.
    Blooming heck it's January I remembered.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    I think the Tories are gaining a slight anti-lockdown bounce, especially in England, as people compare the rules to Wales and Scotland. Labour, and the left more broadly, may be viewed as having been too pro-lockdown. I don't expect this to last, though, on previous form, and no doubt some combination of the next Cummings video and the next governmental screw-up will conspire to make it very temporary.

    Not sure what lockdown there has been in Scotland, apart maybe nightclubs. Everything else is BAU , you may have to sit in the pub but hardly onerous. Read some real news.
    Quite a few larger establishments are not bothering to open at the moment because they can't cover their costs on the number of paying customers that they are allowed in.
    Having and still being in isolation it has not affected me one bit David. However I don't think it has been anything bad other than for nightclub/large venues business owners taking another pounding for a few weeks.
    Some of our southern types witter on as if we are all behind barb wire fences whilst talking bollox about numbers , whereas it is far from true and as has been the case throughout Scotland's casualties are way below our southern neighbours. It becomes a bit tedious hearing the absolute bollox at times..
    Oh, it's just the heaps of sheep shite and burnt oil shale blaes stopping the draught between Glasgow and Edinburgh that accounts for the lower rate apparently.
    Here's where we are in terms of deaths per 100,000 population for the totality of the pandemic to date:

    England: 229.0
    Wales: 207.6
    Scotland: 180.4
    Northern Ireland: 157.2

    It would be interesting to know what proportion of the difference is down to population structure, to variable application of restrictions, and to other factors. We probably won't find out though.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,521
    edited January 2022
    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    Dear old Clive was, for me, one of the greatest writers of the last 50 years. I find both his writing style and his sensibilities so perfect that I can almost inhale them like air. A huge, and I believe consistently underrated, talent.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,998
    A man goes into a theater. It takes a while for his eyes to adjust, so at first he doesn't realize that, sitting next to the man in front of him, is a large dog.

    As the first man watches the movie he begins to think that the dog is watching it, too. The dog wags its tail when something funny happens, gives a low whine when the action gets tense, and growls softly at the villain.

    Finally, the first man does what I would probably do. He taps the man ahead of him on the shoulder and says: "Excuse me, but your dog's behavior seems kind of unusual."

    The second man turns around and says: "Frankly, it surprises me, too. He hated the book."
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    Foxy said:

    CatMan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Nearly evening all :)
    Hot Gossip..

    They are dancing in SS uniforms through a London council estate - I suppose the fact neither was white was the point but that was a little "on the nose" for me but I suppose that makes me irredeemably woke!

    Clive James commented on that one .. in March 1980, and got it pitch-perfect:

    By sharp contrast, The Kenny Everett Video Show (Thames) knows exactly what it is up to image-wise. Tightly controlled by a producer who must have the patience and reflexes to pick up spilled mercury with his bare hands, Kenny has been giving the land of the media one lesson after another in how to keep link-material short, sour and funny. Meanwhile the musical numbers going on up front continue to be the most interesting on television. Unfortunately he has finally allowed his dance group, Hot Gossip, to blot his copybook — not with their alleged eroticism, which is in fact no more attractive than an enema, but with their dim-witted desire to hop about in Nazi uniforms.

    In the latest episode the desire was made real. Up until now they have stylised their yearning for the glamour of the Third Reich, but this time they let it all hang down. The black male dancers in the group made a sudden, supposedly dramatic appearance dressed as SS officers. The girls in the group reacted with suitable writhings of submissive lust. I hope it doesn’t sound like racism when I say that the black male dancers in Hot Gossip have always been a dead bore, mainly because of their humourless frowns of concentration while making movements with their hips which suggest a doomed, no-hands attempt to scratch their groins against an invisible tree. But boredom is one thing and blasphemy is another.

    Hot Gossip are probably hard to talk to either collectively or individually, but Kenny Everett is a bright character, so here goes. The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly. They are history’s joke on the human race, and will remain so until the last of their victims has gone beyond the reach of being hurt further by a casual insult. It insults not just millions of dead, but a lot of people still living, to employ these images of horror without caring what they really mean. It was perfectly obvious that the Hot Gossip dancers had dressed themselves up as Nazis without having any real idea of the suffering the Nazis caused and the scale on which they caused it. But that’s what blasphemy is — to cheapen the central experience of other people’s lives.

    https://archive.clivejames.com/books/gtb30Mar80.htm
    "The Nazis are a joke all right, but they are not yet a joke to make lightly" is just so bang on the money. It's why I think Death of Stalin is a great film, but can't bear 'Allo 'Allo.

    There is a stupid person trap built in to the previous sentence, please refrain from falling in to it.
    Read it very carefully, you will post it only once?
    'Allo, 'Allo had its moments, and certain aspects remain memes to this day. It was a spoof of the serious drama "Secret Army" which it long outlived. Like many series it went on too long.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Army_(TV_series)
    Secret Army spawned an even better drama, Kessler, where Clifford Rose’s titular character was a succesful businessman after the war and is hunted by Nazi hunters. Only six episodes and it was exceptional.

    The secret army episode that wasn’t shown is also excellent. What did you do in the war, daddy.

    Croft and Perry, as well as Croft and Lloyd, did tend to go on for a few seasons too many. They just run out of ideas. There is only so much you can do in a department store or a holiday camp.
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    Farooq said:

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    What was Bartholomew Roberts thinking?!
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