I find it quite interesting that labour's and others full on attack aimed at Boris would if they succeed and he goes, not only change the dynamic for GE24, but also not in as a good way for them as they may think
Boris is the best vote winner you have. A shoddy offer without the fun-loving affable salesman.
I am not a member of the conservative party but I would be amenable to rejoining if Boris was replaced
I have supported Rishi for PM on here for months and there are other candidates including Truss and even Sharma
Were they at the party? Did they know and keep quiet. Either way, toast.
It was a staff at the end of their working day and Boris was not there
It was however organised - the secret Santa means it broke the rules.
Since when was Secret Santa against the rules?
I know lots of businesses that had socially distanced Secret Santas last year. There was nothing in the regulations against that.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
Stepping back a moment, I don't think Boris implodes right here. I think there are more rumblings of discontent before the letters go in in sufficient weight - the idea of Tories being brutal with leaders is a little overbaked, there is more poll abrasion to be had but it'll be slower than anyone can quite fathom.
But, I never expected the Ratnering of Boris to reach quite this pace, and a few more months of this and I think he'll be on the brink.
The point of Ratnering is that while it damaged Gerald, it Ratnered the whole brand, not just the individual.
Yes, just look at what became of the company. It is only *checks notes* the world's largest retailer of diamond jewellery.
While Ratners is a well known cautionary tale, it is actually remarkable just how incredibly successful the company has been since rebranding itself the Signet Group and continuing to trade.
I look forward to the Conservative Party's rebrand. PB must be able to come up with a good few suggestions. How about:
The People's Party* (*the important people like us, not the little people obvs.)
The Law & Order Party (you follow the Law, we'll Order some drinks)
The PartyWhatParty Party
Or.. Breaking... The Law Party
The Like an S Club party.
Because There ain't no party like an S Club party.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authorities lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
A ludicrous defence.
No that is the way forward. Boris must be the PM for Adam Brooks and Lawrence Fox, the PM who will keep the restaurants and pubs and shops and churches and nightclubs open no matter what throughout Christmas and the winter period. The PM who will keep pupils at school and not impose mandatory wfh.
He must be the PM of freedom and the PM who will keep us open now for evermore. Not the antivax extreme PM but the pro vax, pro booster and pro freedom and liberty PM!
He is in very clear danger of not being PM after these recent events
I expect there are many conservative mps writing letters ready to post if North Shropshire falls
The Conservatives were still ahead in 1 poll today. The Tory hold in Old Bexley and Sidcup means he can brush off North Shropshire whatever happens.
Provided he was not present at this Christmas party last year he will survive himself. He will probably have to sack Allegra though
“Allegra, I’m sorry, but it’s time for a pointless sacrifice.”
Hang on, this whole thing isn’t a dead cat to save Raab, is it …. ?
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini and Meloni, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
zeynep tufekci @zeynep · 3m First lab results on Omicron, from @sigallab Not great, but not as catastrophic as it could have been. Tested with 2x Pfizer, and shows, yeah, it'll cause a lot of breakthroughs. Those with vaccine *and* infection appeared much more protected: suggests boosters will work well.
Yeah, saw that earlier. Decentish. And more anecdotal stuff is rolling in today suggesting the virus itself is milder than Delta. The Norwegians seem cautiously optimistic, for example (Telegraph story just out).
It's not "decentish". It's bad. It's just not the Apocalypse, which is some solace
I find it quite interesting that labour's and others full on attack aimed at Boris would if they succeed and he goes, not only change the dynamic for GE24, but also not in as a good way for them as they may think
Boris is the best vote winner you have. A shoddy offer without the fun-loving affable salesman.
I am not a member of the conservative party but I would be amenable to rejoining if Boris was replaced
I have supported Rishi for PM on here for months and there are other candidates including Truss and even Sharma
Were they at the party? Did they know and keep quiet. Either way, toast.
It was a staff at the end of their working day and Boris was not there
It was however organised - the secret Santa means it broke the rules.
Since when was Secret Santa against the rules?
I know lots of businesses that had socially distanced Secret Santas last year. There was nothing in the regulations against that.
Here, from the government's own account.
Secret Santa isn't mentioned there.
It was perfectly legal to do Secret Santa as a secondary activity, just not the primary activity.
Indeed we had a socially distanced Secret Santa - are you claiming that was illegal?
I find it quite interesting that labour's and others full on attack aimed at Boris would if they succeed and he goes, not only change the dynamic for GE24, but also not in as a good way for them as they may think
Boris is the best vote winner you have. A shoddy offer without the fun-loving affable salesman.
I am not a member of the conservative party but I would be amenable to rejoining if Boris was replaced
I have supported Rishi for PM on here for months and there are other candidates including Truss and even Sharma
Were they at the party? Did they know and keep quiet. Either way, toast.
It was a staff at the end of their working day and Boris was not there
It was however organised - the secret Santa means it broke the rules.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
If it happened how is there no hypocrisy?
Last year we picked up our son and his girlfriend from Cambridge to get home to the announcement. We swapped presents, put some food together for them and drove them straight home. We saw them for a couple of hours.
Nearly every family in UK has a similar or related story. Many of them utterly heartbreaking e.g. the Queen at the funeral.
Frankly maybe Angela Rayner is right and these people at No 10 and in high echelons of Tories are indeed scum.
Perhaps more importantly they let the country down and they are not patriotic.
Starmer should summon Blitz spirit and say we were all in this and you lot weren't.
I thought the picture of the queen quite poignant.
The sad thing is tonight the issue should be the Afghan evacuation not a party.
It's striking how a joke at the wrong moment can cause a huge loss of confidence, even though we must have all done it. It completely did for Laschet in Germany - previously quite well liked - because he laughed at something someone said in the background to a serious event. The comment might have been quite unrelated and genuinely amusing, but that brief laugh was all it took.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
My wife will continue on in 24/7 horrendous pain (stroke 4 years ago) that won't get treated as the hospital is overwhelmed.
She won't be on any of the metrics you ever quote
She won't ever matter to people like you
There are ways to keep the NHS open for people like my wife that do not include a lockdown, yet people like you are unable to see what they are and only see a black and white option
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
So the NHS shouldn't try to keep people alive?
Within its limitations it can.
When it tries to keep people alive beyond its limitations, that's impossible.
The NHS should try its best to keep people alive. If some people don't make it, they won't be putting pressure on the NHS next year.
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
No it isn’t - major labour voting cities are buzzing, Tory voting small towns are not.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
Absolute nonsense, NPIs are a tool, and one the government itself is apparently about to pull the trigger on again.
I find it quite interesting that labour's and others full on attack aimed at Boris would if they succeed and he goes, not only change the dynamic for GE24, but also not in as a good way for them as they may think
Boris is the best vote winner you have. A shoddy offer without the fun-loving affable salesman.
I am not a member of the conservative party but I would be amenable to rejoining if Boris was replaced
I have supported Rishi for PM on here for months and there are other candidates including Truss and even Sharma
Were they at the party? Did they know and keep quiet. Either way, toast.
It was a staff at the end of their working day and Boris was not there
It was however organised - the secret Santa means it broke the rules.
Since when was Secret Santa against the rules?
I know lots of businesses that had socially distanced Secret Santas last year. There was nothing in the regulations against that.
Here, from the government's own account.
Secret Santa isn't mentioned there.
It was perfectly legal to do Secret Santa as a secondary activity, just not the primary activity.
Indeed we had a socially distanced Secret Santa - are you claiming that was illegal?
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
No it isn't. Much as you'd like it to be. How about Anabobazina v Pubman? Or Sweden v Australia?
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
How are lockdowns going to be funded? Is @londonpubman expecting a return of the furlough scheme?
Hopefully not. It costs wealthy self-made people like me cos it pushes up inflation. Companies can pay from it out of retained profits and individuals from savings.
I am bored of paying for handouts for other people.
So you advocate the state preventing people working without compensating them? You are quite mad.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
My wife will continue on in 24/7 horrendous pain (stroke 4 years ago) that won't get treated as the hospital is overwhelmed.
She won't be on any of the metrics you ever quote
She won't ever matter to people like you
There are ways to keep the NHS open for people like my wife that do not include a lockdown, yet people like you are unable to see what they are and only see a black and white option
The way to keep the NHS open for people like your wife is to drop this obsession over Covid that has seen the capacity within the NHS drop by more than the number of people in hospital for Covid.
If some more people catch Covid and die, then they're off the waiting lists and your wife can be seen sooner.
Its shutting down everything for one virus that is stalling your wife's treatment. What I'm saying may sound horribly cynical but its true.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
So the NHS shouldn't try to keep people alive?
Within its limitations it can.
When it tries to keep people alive beyond its limitations, that's impossible.
The NHS should try its best to keep people alive. If some people don't make it, they won't be putting pressure on the NHS next year.
My wife is 46 years old.
She suffers great continual pain and suffers greatly.
Thanks to those fuckers who are filling the hospitals with their 'personal choices' she is having her treatment continually delayed.
Thank you for those fuckwits having that choice to fuck my wife over.
zeynep tufekci @zeynep · 3m First lab results on Omicron, from @sigallab Not great, but not as catastrophic as it could have been. Tested with 2x Pfizer, and shows, yeah, it'll cause a lot of breakthroughs. Those with vaccine *and* infection appeared much more protected: suggests boosters will work well.
Yeah, saw that earlier. Decentish. And more anecdotal stuff is rolling in today suggesting the virus itself is milder than Delta. The Norwegians seem cautiously optimistic, for example (Telegraph story just out).
It's not "decentish". It's bad. It's just not the Apocalypse, which is some solace
The vaccines will hold up against serious illness if not infection. Almost everyone else in the Uk has caught alpha or delta. If that didn’t finish you off when you had a naive immune system to sarscov2, your prospects against this variant with some T cells knocking about will be quite good.
What is interesting is not just the "one law for them, one law for us" aspect. That is arrogant enough.
It's also that they feel they shouldn't even be asked questions let alone be expected to answer them.
The government just gives the impression that it ought to be beyond any sort of scrutiny at all.
A close friend of mine, who sadly passed away in January, was a serial love cheat - and he always said, “if you ever get caught just deny, deny, deny”… and it always worked!
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Not really, we have 800 a day going to the hospital, at the height the NHS coped with 4,000 it was a push but they managed, so we could have 5 times the amount we have now, so 200,000 - 250,000 given that omicron seems a lot less deadly, then probably twice that, and the NHS could cope, it will be hard, but could cope.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
How are lockdowns going to be funded? Is @londonpubman expecting a return of the furlough scheme?
Hopefully not. It costs wealthy self-made people like me cos it pushes up inflation. Companies can pay from it out of retained profits and individuals from savings.
I am bored of paying for handouts for other people.
So you advocate the state preventing people working without compensating them? You are quite mad.
Typical Labour wanting the State to pay for everything ❤️
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
No it isn’t - major labour voting cities are buzzing, Tory voting small towns are not.
Yep. The old v young dimension is rarely acknowledged by the freedom loving right. It is the single biggest cleavage in politics in the UK.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
My wife will continue on in 24/7 horrendous pain (stroke 4 years ago) that won't get treated as the hospital is overwhelmed.
She won't be on any of the metrics you ever quote
She won't ever matter to people like you
There are ways to keep the NHS open for people like my wife that do not include a lockdown, yet people like you are unable to see what they are and only see a black and white option
The way to keep the NHS open for people like your wife is to drop this obsession over Covid that has seen the capacity within the NHS drop by more than the number of people in hospital for Covid.
If some more people catch Covid and die, then they're off the waiting lists and your wife can be seen sooner.
Its shutting down everything for one virus that is stalling your wife's treatment. What I'm saying may sound horribly cynical but its true.
You are talking shite, with the greatest respect.
The nurses are on the covid wards, dealing with the covid patients, not my wife.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Is the disease already endemic in South Africa? They have 25% vaccination rate and the hospitals don't appear to be collapsing under the strain. We'll see but I'm still more inclined to think that omicron represents the beginning of the end of the pandemic rather than the beginning of the end.
The good news is that it does *appear* to be milder (but we can't be sure, there are many unknowns, it might be the patient profile - younger, fitter, for now).
But even a milder variant which causes huge numbers to fall sick, and many of them to succumb to hospitalisation, is a grim prospect
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
Absolute nonsense, NPIs are a tool, and one the government itself is apparently about to pull the trigger on again.
You are quite simply a nutter.
There is a certain commonality of the new line between Philip and HYUFD, which is slightly unusual. Is this the new spin ?
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authorities lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
A ludicrous defence.
No that is the way forward. Boris must be the PM for Adam Brooks and Lawrence Fox, the PM who will keep the restaurants and pubs and shops and churches and nightclubs open no matter what throughout Christmas and the winter period. The PM who will keep pupils at school and not impose mandatory wfh.
He must be the PM of freedom and the PM who will keep us open now for evermore. Not the antivax extreme PM but the pro vax, pro booster and pro freedom and liberty PM!
He is in very clear danger of not being PM after these recent events
I expect there are many conservative mps writing letters ready to post if North Shropshire falls
The Conservatives were still ahead in 1 poll today. The Tory hold in Old Bexley and Sidcup means he can brush off North Shropshire whatever happens.
Provided he was not present at this Christmas party last year he will survive himself. He will probably have to sack Allegra though
“Allegra, I’m sorry, but it’s time for a pointless sacrifice.”
Hang on, this whole thing isn’t a dead cat to save Raab, is it …. ?
I am not sure having another dead cat to divert from the first dead cat is going to work for very long though.
I find it quite interesting that labour's and others full on attack aimed at Boris would if they succeed and he goes, not only change the dynamic for GE24, but also not in as a good way for them as they may think
Boris is the best vote winner you have. A shoddy offer without the fun-loving affable salesman.
I am not a member of the conservative party but I would be amenable to rejoining if Boris was replaced
I have supported Rishi for PM on here for months and there are other candidates including Truss and even Sharma
Were they at the party? Did they know and keep quiet. Either way, toast.
It was a staff at the end of their working day and Boris was not there
It was however organised - the secret Santa means it broke the rules.
Since when was Secret Santa against the rules?
I know lots of businesses that had socially distanced Secret Santas last year. There was nothing in the regulations against that.
Here, from the government's own account.
Secret Santa isn't mentioned there.
It was perfectly legal to do Secret Santa as a secondary activity, just not the primary activity.
Indeed we had a socially distanced Secret Santa - are you claiming that was illegal?
The primary activity being a piss up?
If the primary activity is a piss up, that's clearly illegal.
The fact there was a Secret Santa is neither here nor there for that. Did you have a Secret Santa last year? I know plenty of people who did, entirely within the rules. If you went to work, exchanges a present with one colleague while at work, there was nothing against the rules in that.
Having a piss up for the sake of having a piss up is against the rules. That's the story, not Secret Santa. I bet millions or tens of millions of people had a Secret Santa last year entirely within the rules. What they didn't have was piss ups!
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
No it isn't. Much as you'd like it to be. How about Anabobazina v Pubman? Or Sweden v Australia?
In Sweden there was a rare exception of all sides opposed to full lockdown. In Australia though the Conservative PM has largely opened up now but the tightest restrictions have tended to be in Labor controlled Victoria
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
So the NHS shouldn't try to keep people alive?
Within its limitations it can.
When it tries to keep people alive beyond its limitations, that's impossible.
The NHS should try its best to keep people alive. If some people don't make it, they won't be putting pressure on the NHS next year.
My wife is 46 years old.
She suffers great continual pain and suffers greatly.
Thanks to those fuckers who are filling the hospitals with their 'personal choices' she is having her treatment continually delayed.
Thank you for those fuckwits having that choice to fuck my wife over.
I think your wife should be treated ahead of those fuckwits and those fuckwits should be allowed to die from their fuckwittery.
That's not my fault that the NHS is wrongly prioritising them over your wife. If the NHS just let those people collect their Darwin Award then your wife could be seen.
What is interesting is not just the "one law for them, one law for us" aspect. That is arrogant enough.
It's also that they feel they shouldn't even be asked questions let alone be expected to answer them.
The government just gives the impression that it ought to be beyond any sort of scrutiny at all.
I do worry about the BBC helping to condition them in this direction over the last few years. There's no doubt that it's been far, far more timid than during the late Thatcher and Major years.
It's striking how a joke at the wrong moment can cause a huge loss of confidence, even though we must have all done it. It completely did for Laschet in Germany - previously quite well liked - because he laughed at something someone said in the background to a serious event. The comment might have been quite unrelated and genuinely amusing, but that brief laugh was all it took.
And, like that, the reason this is a big deal is because so many people are involved on the other end of the sacrifice.
Whoever had all this information and held it until now, and the way it has been let out in stages with ample time for the clown and his imps to dig themselves in so deep in between times, is a masterclass in information management.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Is the disease already endemic in South Africa? They have 25% vaccination rate and the hospitals don't appear to be collapsing under the strain. We'll see but I'm still more inclined to think that omicron represents the beginning of the end of the pandemic rather than the beginning of the end.
The good news is that it does *appear* to be milder (but we can't be sure, there are many unknowns, it might be the patient profile - younger, fitter, for now).
But even a milder variant which causes huge numbers to fall sick, and many of them to succumb to hospitalisation, is a grim prospect
Most South Africans are not double vaccinated unlike here, we need to give them more vaccines
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
Absolute nonsense, NPIs are a tool, and one the government itself is apparently about to pull the trigger on again.
You are quite simply a nutter.
There is a certain commonality of the new line between Philip and HYUFD, which is slightly unusual. Is this the new spin ?
It's desperation, the dopey beggar who is currently PM didn't even learn anything from his own right-hand man coming a cropper. So Team Boris are throwing out all sorts of chaff whilst they try to come up with a line that makes any sort of sense and can save his neck.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
So the NHS shouldn't try to keep people alive?
Within its limitations it can.
When it tries to keep people alive beyond its limitations, that's impossible.
The NHS should try its best to keep people alive. If some people don't make it, they won't be putting pressure on the NHS next year.
My wife is 46 years old.
She suffers great continual pain and suffers greatly.
Thanks to those fuckers who are filling the hospitals with their 'personal choices' she is having her treatment continually delayed.
Thank you for those fuckwits having that choice to fuck my wife over.
I think your wife should be treated ahead of those fuckwits and those fuckwits should be allowed to die from their fuckwittery.
That's not my fault that the NHS is wrongly prioritising them over your wife. If the NHS just let those people collect their Darwin Award then your wife could be seen.
So you do not recognise how the real world operates.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
My wife will continue on in 24/7 horrendous pain (stroke 4 years ago) that won't get treated as the hospital is overwhelmed.
She won't be on any of the metrics you ever quote
She won't ever matter to people like you
There are ways to keep the NHS open for people like my wife that do not include a lockdown, yet people like you are unable to see what they are and only see a black and white option
The way to keep the NHS open for people like your wife is to drop this obsession over Covid that has seen the capacity within the NHS drop by more than the number of people in hospital for Covid.
If some more people catch Covid and die, then they're off the waiting lists and your wife can be seen sooner.
Its shutting down everything for one virus that is stalling your wife's treatment. What I'm saying may sound horribly cynical but its true.
You are talking shite, with the greatest respect.
The nurses are on the covid wards, dealing with the covid patients, not my wife.
So take them off the Covid Wards and have them dealing with your wife.
If some of those fuckwits die because the NHS doesn't have the nurses to treat them, then that's their own responsibility for being fuckwits. People die, its part of the circle of life.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Not really, we have 800 a day going to the hospital, at the height the NHS coped with 4,000 it was a push but they managed, so we could have 5 times the amount we have now, so 200,000 - 250,000 given that omicron seems a lot less deadly, then probably twice that, and the NHS could cope, it will be hard, but could cope.
I am sure we could cope. This is not - yet! - the end of human civilisation. All I am saying is that the cold hard numbers point to another lockdown. or a new version thereof
I fucking hate lockdowns. The last two sent me nearly mad. But that's what the data is implying. If I am wrong feel free to come round and pour beer over me, I will already be immersed in vintage Krug, so it won't matter
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Not really, we have 800 a day going to the hospital, at the height the NHS coped with 4,000 it was a push but they managed, so we could have 5 times the amount we have now, so 200,000 - 250,000 given that omicron seems a lot less deadly, then probably twice that, and the NHS could cope, it will be hard, but could cope.
Assuming what was coped with in extremis can be coped with after 2 solid years of coping. The staff are burned out. One day we go to the well and it is dry.
Is it at all possible that the ‘scoop’ video is Stratton having fun? And thus not actually a true account? It wasn’t an actual briefing was it? Or am I just naive?
Yes, it was. They had a brief period where she was going to give regular briefings, and this was, I think, the first? The idea was dropped...for some reason.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Is the disease already endemic in South Africa? They have 25% vaccination rate and the hospitals don't appear to be collapsing under the strain. We'll see but I'm still more inclined to think that omicron represents the beginning of the end of the pandemic rather than the beginning of the end.
The good news is that it does *appear* to be milder (but we can't be sure, there are many unknowns, it might be the patient profile - younger, fitter, for now).
But even a milder variant which causes huge numbers to fall sick, and many of them to succumb to hospitalisation, is a grim prospect
The latest report from this country was that 0% of omicron patients were in hospital.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Who gives a fuck?
Bored of this shit now. If people get sick, they get sick. If people die, they die. Treat people as well as we can and move the fuck on already.
Life is for living not lockdowns. Not now, not ever again. Last year they were to buy time until we have a vaccine but we've had a vaccine now and its been rolled out, what more can we frigging do? If we can't live life normally now, when can we?
I have well and truly had enough. My daughter has had the first three years of her education disrupted because of this bullshit. Her last year of schooling without disruption was the Reception class and her next one may be Year 4 it seems. Enough is efuckingnough.
What about all the vast numbers of people who have taken 3 jabs, who are waiting on critical health care but are having in cancelled due to the hospitals being overwhelmed ?
Which is happening loads, including to my wife.
I guess you don't care?
Drop the social distancing that is restricting NHS capacity and start treating people.
It is distancing and Covid restrictions that are cutting capacity, not the very few people in beds.
Not really
Was in Manchester Royal Infirmary earlier today
The nurses were telling me that the staff are focused on normal winter conditions plus covid this year, any increase in covid will utterly kill the health care system
My wife is repeatedly having urgent treatment cancelled due to too few nurses and staff
But you are fine so do not worry about the poor unhealthy part of the population, so long as you are ok
Yes, let the NHS treat people as well as it can. The NHS is there to serve the country, not the other way around.
It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
So the NHS shouldn't try to keep people alive?
Within its limitations it can.
When it tries to keep people alive beyond its limitations, that's impossible.
The NHS should try its best to keep people alive. If some people don't make it, they won't be putting pressure on the NHS next year.
My wife is 46 years old.
She suffers great continual pain and suffers greatly.
Thanks to those fuckers who are filling the hospitals with their 'personal choices' she is having her treatment continually delayed.
Thank you for those fuckwits having that choice to fuck my wife over.
I think your wife should be treated ahead of those fuckwits and those fuckwits should be allowed to die from their fuckwittery.
That's not my fault that the NHS is wrongly prioritising them over your wife. If the NHS just let those people collect their Darwin Award then your wife could be seen.
So you do not recognise how the real world operates.
Best ignored, you are a self absorbed fuckwit.
Time to be banned.
I do recognise how the real world operates. You are a self-absorbed fuckwit who thinks the entire fucking country and kids education etc should be ruined because some people might get sick.
People get sick. The NHS should treat people within its capacity and everyone else should be able to live their lives. If some people die, that's less pressure on the NHS as they won't be sick anymore.
Adam Wagner on Newsnight (lawyer) saying there may be some get out wrt Crown property. Apparently the rules didn't apply or some such.
It’s a political issue of setting an example and practicing what you preach, not a legal issue of whether there’s a loophole that will get you off.
The royal family stayed in London during the war not because they were objectively at risk, given the security of their shelter, but because they were then seen as sharing the privations of the ordinary man or woman.
It's striking how a joke at the wrong moment can cause a huge loss of confidence, even though we must have all done it. It completely did for Laschet in Germany - previously quite well liked - because he laughed at something someone said in the background to a serious event. The comment might have been quite unrelated and genuinely amusing, but that brief laugh was all it took.
And, like that, the reason this is a big deal is because so many people are involved on the other end of the sacrifice.
Whoever had all this information and held it until now, and the way it has been let out in stages with ample time for the clown and his imps to dig themselves in so deep in between times, is a masterclass in information management.
In all honesty I think it could have done far more damage had it been released at the time. We might also have been spared lockdown #2. My wife - certainly not one of Boris's biggest fans - is wholly unimpressed: "is that all they can get him on?"
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
Absolute nonsense, NPIs are a tool, and one the government itself is apparently about to pull the trigger on again.
You are quite simply a nutter.
There is a certain commonality of the new line between Philip and HYUFD, which is slightly unusual. Is this the new spin ?
HYUFD has suddenly become a libertarian. I can't think why. Only thing that springs to mind is defending the indefensible.
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
No it isn't. Much as you'd like it to be. How about Anabobazina v Pubman? Or Sweden v Australia?
In Sweden there was a rare exception of all sides opposed to full lockdown. In Australia though the Conservative PM has largely opened up now but the tightest restrictions have tended to be in Labor controlled Victoria
It's striking how a joke at the wrong moment can cause a huge loss of confidence, even though we must have all done it. It completely did for Laschet in Germany - previously quite well liked - because he laughed at something someone said in the background to a serious event. The comment might have been quite unrelated and genuinely amusing, but that brief laugh was all it took.
And, like that, the reason this is a big deal is because so many people are involved on the other end of the sacrifice.
Whoever had all this information and held it until now, and the way it has been let out in stages with ample time for the clown and his imps to dig themselves in so deep in between times, is a masterclass in information management.
In all honesty I think it could have done far more damage had it been released at the time. We might also have been spared lockdown #2. My wife - certainly not one of Boris's biggest fans - is wholly unimpressed: "is that all they can get him on?"
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
Absolute nonsense, NPIs are a tool, and one the government itself is apparently about to pull the trigger on again.
You are quite simply a nutter.
There is a certain commonality of the new line between Philip and HYUFD, which is slightly unusual. Is this the new spin ?
HYUFD has suddenly become a libertarian. I can't think why. Only thing that springs to mind is defending the indefensible.
Exactly. I've had this line for a long time, there's nothing new about it.
HYUFD saying what I'm saying . . . that's weird and a little creepy.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Is the disease already endemic in South Africa? They have 25% vaccination rate and the hospitals don't appear to be collapsing under the strain. We'll see but I'm still more inclined to think that omicron represents the beginning of the end of the pandemic rather than the beginning of the end.
The good news is that it does *appear* to be milder (but we can't be sure, there are many unknowns, it might be the patient profile - younger, fitter, for now).
But even a milder variant which causes huge numbers to fall sick, and many of them to succumb to hospitalisation, is a grim prospect
The average age of a South African must be approaching half of a UK resident too.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
Absolute nonsense, NPIs are a tool, and one the government itself is apparently about to pull the trigger on again.
You are quite simply a nutter.
There is a certain commonality of the new line between Philip and HYUFD, which is slightly unusual. Is this the new spin ?
HYUFD has suddenly become a libertarian. I can't think why. Only thing that springs to mind is defending the indefensible.
I am not a libertarian, I am a Conservative.
However I am not a statist, socialist, authoritarian either
I am getting really sick of this "South Africa was punished not applauded" narrative. When UK had their variant, the world reacted the same, when Brazil had their variant the world reacted the same, when India had their variant the world reacted the same.
When China was the problem, we didn't, that is half the reason the world is in this mess.
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authoritarian lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
Well, he's certainly going to struggle to persuade Britain to cancel all our xmas plans now.
But tbh Chris Whitty is already saying that UK public will just stick two fingers up to any xmas 'no family' lockdown.
January is another matter.
Lockdown looks nailed on for January with Omicron rampant so unpleasantness nailed on all round 😡😡😡
You’ve been saying that for the past six months!!
Unfortunately it looks like I am heading to be right.
If by any unlikely chance I am wrong I shall be very pleased. 👍
You are completely and utterly wrong. Again.
No lockdowns, not now, not ever again. They are never, ever to be repeated.
Just crunch the numbers. We are already plateauing on ~40-50k cases a day. Double or triple that with Omicron?
it is not sustainable, that means 1000s going into hospital every day, in the middle of winter, and that is presuming Omicron IS milder. If it is as bad as delta (and breaks through immunity) lockdown as we know it might not even be enough. What happens then? Fuck knows
Is the disease already endemic in South Africa? They have 25% vaccination rate and the hospitals don't appear to be collapsing under the strain. We'll see but I'm still more inclined to think that omicron represents the beginning of the end of the pandemic rather than the beginning of the end.
The good news is that it does *appear* to be milder (but we can't be sure, there are many unknowns, it might be the patient profile - younger, fitter, for now).
But even a milder variant which causes huge numbers to fall sick, and many of them to succumb to hospitalisation, is a grim prospect
The latest report from this country was that 0% of omicron patients were in hospital.
This was the case in the UK when the "Wuhan Flu" first emerged in January 2020. Small story in China, no one sick in Britain
It is the nature of pandemics, like housefires, that they start small and unnoticed, and then suddenly - boom - your fucking living room is ablaze
Look, I hope I am wrong. There is more than anecdotal evidence, now, that Omicron is milder in its outcomes. That's great. But it is not enough, by itself, to outweigh the danger of Omicron's extra infectivity and its capacity to break through prior immunity, natural or vaxxed.
If that SA preprint is right, even 2x Pfizer is not enough. You need the booster too
It's striking how a joke at the wrong moment can cause a huge loss of confidence, even though we must have all done it. It completely did for Laschet in Germany - previously quite well liked - because he laughed at something someone said in the background to a serious event. The comment might have been quite unrelated and genuinely amusing, but that brief laugh was all it took.
And, like that, the reason this is a big deal is because so many people are involved on the other end of the sacrifice.
Whoever had all this information and held it until now, and the way it has been let out in stages with ample time for the clown and his imps to dig themselves in so deep in between times, is a masterclass in information management.
In all honesty I think it could have done far more damage had it been released at the time. We might also have been spared lockdown #2. My wife - certainly not one of Boris's biggest fans - is wholly unimpressed: "is that all they can get him on?"
I doubt they had this info at the time. Someone at the centre has clearly lost confidence in the clown and gave what they have to the media. Either this happened recently and so the timing is coincidence or, more likely, they’ve had it for a little while and this exercise to demonstrate to the still deluded that our PM has no clothes has been carefully planned.
I don't buy this. Most Red Wall voters probably couldn't care less how many Christmas parties the Tories had last year. People in Islington and Hackney might be interested.
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
No it isn't. Much as you'd like it to be. How about Anabobazina v Pubman? Or Sweden v Australia?
In Sweden there was a rare exception of all sides opposed to full lockdown. In Australia though the Conservative PM has largely opened up now but the tightest restrictions have tended to be in Labor controlled Victoria
So you're saying it isn't ideological.
No it is ideological, in virtually every country now bar Sweden where most of the population have been double vaccinated the right wants to open up more than the left and the left wants to lockdown more than the right. The same is true here.
Sweden the only exception as all sides agreed never to fully lockdown
Adam Wagner on Newsnight (lawyer) saying there may be some get out wrt Crown property. Apparently the rules didn't apply or some such.
It’s a political issue of setting an example and practicing what you preach, not a legal issue of whether there’s a loophole that will get you off.
The royal family stayed in London during the war not because they were objectively at risk, given the security of their shelter, but because they were then seen as sharing the privations of the ordinary man or woman.
Stalin not fleeing Moscow for Siberia was a major psychological turning point on the Eastern Front. This lot would have been in Vladivostok lickety split. Doubtless holding a jolly drinks party at 5pm.
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
No it isn't. Much as you'd like it to be. How about Anabobazina v Pubman? Or Sweden v Australia?
In Sweden there was a rare exception of all sides opposed to full lockdown. In Australia though the Conservative PM has largely opened up now but the tightest restrictions have tended to be in Labor controlled Victoria
So you're saying it isn't ideological.
No it is ideological, in virtually every country now bar Sweden where most of the population have been double vaccinated the right wants to open up more than the left and the left wants to lockdown more than the right. The same is true here.
Sweden the only exception as all sides agreed never to fully lockdown
Then explain why Conservative towns are full of masks and Covid rule nazis and Labour voting cities are full of packed restaurants gigs and night clubs
Adam Wagner on Newsnight (lawyer) saying there may be some get out wrt Crown property. Apparently the rules didn't apply or some such.
It’s a political issue of setting an example and practicing what you preach, not a legal issue of whether there’s a loophole that will get you off.
The royal family stayed in London during the war not because they were objectively at risk, given the security of their shelter, but because they were then seen as sharing the privations of the ordinary man or woman.
Totally agree.
This could be Johnson's worst week in power by the end.
All down to Starmer tomorrow to send all barrels blasting in.
Maybe he could be self isolating and let Angela Rayner or Reeves do the hard yards?
I wonder if what Boris really did at Christmas 2020 will come to light? Remember that he was repeatedly asked about what he was planning at the time, if somone knows he lied again that might be the final nail. It would certainly be what I'd want to save for last if I was a journalist.
Provided Boris was not at this party he will get away with it. However he must ensure no more lockdowns of any description, no restrictions on Christmas and no restrictions on this year's Christmas parties at all.
He must be the PM of freedom from further restrictions now most of us are vaccinated. That is the way to get around it, if he becomes that he can be the PM of liberty and Starmer the PM of more authorities lockdowns. Hence no hypocrisy
A ludicrous defence.
No that is the way forward. Boris must be the PM for Adam Brooks and Lawrence Fox, the PM who will keep the restaurants and pubs and shops and churches and nightclubs open no matter what throughout Christmas and the winter period. The PM who will keep pupils at school and not impose mandatory wfh.
He must be the PM of freedom and the PM who will keep us open now for evermore. Not the antivax extreme PM but the pro vax, pro booster and pro freedom and liberty PM!
He is in very clear danger of not being PM after these recent events
I expect there are many conservative mps writing letters ready to post if North Shropshire falls
The Conservatives were still ahead in 1 poll today. The Tory hold in Old Bexley and Sidcup means he can brush off North Shropshire whatever happens.
Provided he was not present at this Christmas party last year he will survive himself. He will probably have to sack Allegra though
“Allegra, I’m sorry, but it’s time for a pointless sacrifice.”
Hang on, this whole thing isn’t a dead cat to save Raab, is it …. ?
Pop up on the podium Stratton, take a shufti, don't come back.
Anyone who can’t sleep, just an hour until the cricket is on TV
I've got Sky but really don't fancy paying £30 for BT Sport for a month given most of it will be past bedtime anyway.
So irritating, does anyone know of any good deals so I could get BT Sport for just a single month and the cancel it again?
No I can't help but for some reason I still get BT Sport for free via my BT Broadband - not sure if that's standard or an oversight.
This is the issue with tv streaming - all this competition was supposed to work for the consumer but the net effect is you have to subscribe to Sky, Netflix, BT Sport, Disney, Amazon Prime etc etc to see everything. Ridiculous.
The message is pretty clear and the analogy is with the NHS.
Boris has done is a favour with the party.
Everyone wants a better health service but no one wants to pay for a better health service.
Likewise everyone gets the idea of lockdowns and masks but no one wants to have or wear them respectively.
We get the society we deserve and want. If people really were worried about the deaths from Covid there would be 100% compliance with mask wearing and voluntary lockdowns.
As it is take away the legality and guidance and no more than 10% of people would wear masks.
People have judged themselves happy with the level of deaths from Covid.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
Absolute nonsense, NPIs are a tool, and one the government itself is apparently about to pull the trigger on again.
You are quite simply a nutter.
There is a certain commonality of the new line between Philip and HYUFD, which is slightly unusual. Is this the new spin ?
HYUFD has suddenly become a libertarian. I can't think why. Only thing that springs to mind is defending the indefensible.
I am not a libertarian, I am a Conservative.
However I am not a statist, socialist, authoritarian either
Far be it for me to pick a fight at this time of night, HYUFD, and while the government's travails are feeling so well-deserved and enjoyable, but I have to say what has occasionally sounded like your plans to send the tanks into Edinburgh in the event of secession haven't always sounded that anti-authoritarian to me.
Sir Roger Gale MP @SirRogerGale The No.10 party has all the hallmarks of another ‘Barnard Castle’ moment. No.10 clearly has some serious questions to answer. Fast.
I don't buy this. Most Red Wall voters probably couldn't care less how many Christmas parties the Tories had last year. People in Islington and Hackney might be interested.
Why the difference may I ask? The Red Wall only have after work Christmas drinks in the pub. And pay for them themselves. Except last year. As they were closed.
I am getting really sick of this "South Africa was punished not applauded" narrative. When UK had their variant, the world reacted the same, when Brazil had their variant the world reacted the same, when India had their variant the world reacted the same.
When China was the problem, we didn't, that is half the reason the world is in this mess.
It is even worse than that, of course. China hid the virus, lied about it, had whistleblowers "disappeared", and probably killed, even as it firmly insisted flights from China to the rest of the world must continue, deliberately seeding the globe with this fucking bug from Wuhan
And that's ignoring the strong possibility they originally engineered this hideous virus in their own bloody labs in Wuhan (Spoiler: they did, with American money)
This is ideological now. For the double vaccinated the risk of death or even hospitalisation from Omnicron from all the evidence we have is tiny. For the unvacinnated it isn't but they made their choice.
Boris must the the PM of freedom, keeping the churches, shops, pubs, cinemas, concert halls and arenas and football stadiums open throughout Christmas and winter. He must be the PN of liberty against Starmer lockdowns and authoritarianism
You have lost the plot entirely. You now want to make interventions to fight a pandemic "ideological" in order to defend Boris? How about following the scientists and medics and doing what is right, not doing what will make hard-liners happy.
In your own way you are as mad as any MAGA-hatted Trumper.
Before the vaccinations we needed the lockdowns, now most of us have been vaccinated we don't.
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
No it isn't. Much as you'd like it to be. How about Anabobazina v Pubman? Or Sweden v Australia?
In Sweden there was a rare exception of all sides opposed to full lockdown. In Australia though the Conservative PM has largely opened up now but the tightest restrictions have tended to be in Labor controlled Victoria
So you're saying it isn't ideological.
No it is ideological, in virtually every country now bar Sweden where most of the population have been double vaccinated the right wants to open up more than the left and the left wants to lockdown more than the right. The same is true here.
Sweden the only exception as all sides agreed never to fully lockdown
And yet. The split by age is more significant. It is generational.
The Downing Street Party, if it happened, is bloody stupid, hypocritical, indefensible . . . and a year old and I really couldn't care less.
Had the story broken a year ago I'd be bothered, but now I'm bothered about what's actually happening today.
I said last week that my daughter's Nativity* has been cancelled by the school. Told tonight that her Christingle at the Church* with the Brownies has been cancelled. And some f***ers want us to go back into lockdown and disrupt her education all over again.
Quite frankly whether someone got pissed twelve months ago is simply not on my radar. Whether my daughter's education is going to be fucked around with all over again is making me pissed now. Enough is enough, we have to put Covid worries behind us and let the NHS do its best and left life move on. Let kids be kids and let them have an education and if that means the virus spreads and people die then people frigging die. But no lockdowns, no restrictions, let people live. Let people have an education.
* Please don't reply with any anti-religion stuff. I'm an atheist, but I'm not forcing my atheism on her and she enjoys Brownies and was looking forward to the Church Service with the Christingle.
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It is an ugly but true statement that if people die due to Covid they won't have any further demands on the NHS anymore. It is trying to keep everyone alive that causes the pressure, if you try and keep everyone alive forever then the demand on the NHS becomes infinite as the longer you drag out people's lives the more demands they will present upon the NHS.
Its a self-fulfilling prophecy that the NHS will be under pressure, so we just need to cope as well as we can.
Because There ain't no party like an S Club party.
Hang on, this whole thing isn’t a dead cat to save Raab, is it …. ?
The divide over lockdowns is now a left v right, statist v private liberty one across most of the world. Trump and the GOP, Salvini and Meloni, Bolsonaro, ACT in New Zealand, Tice, Fox and increasingly Boris v Biden, the Democrats, the Social Democrats, Labour and the socialist left
(I suspect this means Boris is safe, if goes he drags down the lot of them)
It was perfectly legal to do Secret Santa as a secondary activity, just not the primary activity.
Indeed we had a socially distanced Secret Santa - are you claiming that was illegal?
The sad thing is tonight the issue should be the Afghan evacuation not a party.
It's also that they feel they shouldn't even be asked questions let alone be expected to answer them.
The government just gives the impression that it ought to be beyond any sort of scrutiny at all.
She won't be on any of the metrics you ever quote
She won't ever matter to people like you
There are ways to keep the NHS open for people like my wife that do not include a lockdown, yet people like you are unable to see what they are and only see a black and white option
When it tries to keep people alive beyond its limitations, that's impossible.
The NHS should try its best to keep people alive. If some people don't make it, they won't be putting pressure on the NHS next year.
You are quite simply a nutter.
How about Anabobazina v Pubman?
Or Sweden v Australia?
If some more people catch Covid and die, then they're off the waiting lists and your wife can be seen sooner.
Its shutting down everything for one virus that is stalling your wife's treatment. What I'm saying may sound horribly cynical but its true.
She suffers great continual pain and suffers greatly.
Thanks to those fuckers who are filling the hospitals with their 'personal choices' she is having her treatment continually delayed.
Thank you for those fuckwits having that choice to fuck my wife over.
The old v young dimension is rarely acknowledged by the freedom loving right. It is the single biggest cleavage in politics in the UK.
The nurses are on the covid wards, dealing with the covid patients, not my wife.
And now, here we are:
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@businesstechSA
https://twitter.com/PNSlipper/status/1468328538247864320?s=20
The good news is that it does *appear* to be milder (but we can't be sure, there are many unknowns, it might be the patient profile - younger, fitter, for now).
But even a milder variant which causes huge numbers to fall sick, and many of them to succumb to hospitalisation, is a grim prospect
Is this the new spin ?
The fact there was a Secret Santa is neither here nor there for that. Did you have a Secret Santa last year? I know plenty of people who did, entirely within the rules. If you went to work, exchanges a present with one colleague while at work, there was nothing against the rules in that.
Having a piss up for the sake of having a piss up is against the rules. That's the story, not Secret Santa. I bet millions or tens of millions of people had a Secret Santa last year entirely within the rules. What they didn't have was piss ups!
A cruel punishment for the pleasure of voting against him.
That's not my fault that the NHS is wrongly prioritising them over your wife. If the NHS just let those people collect their Darwin Award then your wife could be seen.
Whoever had all this information and held it until now, and the way it has been let out in stages with ample time for the clown and his imps to dig themselves in so deep in between times, is a masterclass in information management.
Best ignored, you are a self absorbed fuckwit.
Time to be banned.
If some of those fuckwits die because the NHS doesn't have the nurses to treat them, then that's their own responsibility for being fuckwits. People die, its part of the circle of life.
I fucking hate lockdowns. The last two sent me nearly mad. But that's what the data is implying. If I am wrong feel free to come round and pour beer over me, I will already be immersed in vintage Krug, so it won't matter
The staff are burned out.
One day we go to the well and it is dry.
EDIT: sorry, no, it was a trial run.
People get sick. The NHS should treat people within its capacity and everyone else should be able to live their lives. If some people die, that's less pressure on the NHS as they won't be sick anymore.
The royal family stayed in London during the war not because they were objectively at risk, given the security of their shelter, but because they were then seen as sharing the privations of the ordinary man or woman.
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Everybody is getting it.
HYUFD saying what I'm saying . . . that's weird and a little creepy.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.190523448
Con 1.68 / 1.75
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https://twitter.com/imacelebrity/status/1468329208749465606
However I am not a statist, socialist, authoritarian either
When China was the problem, we didn't, that is half the reason the world is in this mess.
It is the nature of pandemics, like housefires, that they start small and unnoticed, and then suddenly - boom - your fucking living room is ablaze
Look, I hope I am wrong. There is more than anecdotal evidence, now, that Omicron is milder in its outcomes. That's great. But it is not enough, by itself, to outweigh the danger of Omicron's extra infectivity and its capacity to break through prior immunity, natural or vaxxed.
If that SA preprint is right, even 2x Pfizer is not enough. You need the booster too
Vaxxports for a start:
"Cabinet discussed bringing in vaccine passports today.
Michael Gove and Nadine Dorries spoke in favour, per multiple sources."
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1468346816810860551?s=20
So irritating, does anyone know of any good deals so I could get BT Sport for just a single month and the cancel it again?
but b) a lot of No 10 staff will have to be cleared out in order for Johnson to say 'lessons have been learned'.
Sweden the only exception as all sides agreed never to fully lockdown
Pretty sure that's exactly what Ant and Dec are employed to do!
This lot would have been in Vladivostok lickety split. Doubtless holding a jolly drinks party at 5pm.
This could be Johnson's worst week in power by the end.
All down to Starmer tomorrow to send all barrels blasting in.
Maybe he could be self isolating and let Angela Rayner or Reeves do the hard yards?
Failing that, it isn't exactly hard to find some naughty scamp re-streaming such things.
This is the issue with tv streaming - all this competition was supposed to work for the consumer but the net effect is you have to subscribe to Sky, Netflix, BT Sport, Disney, Amazon Prime etc etc to see everything. Ridiculous.
Boris has done is a favour with the party.
Everyone wants a better health service but no one wants to pay for a better health service.
Likewise everyone gets the idea of lockdowns and masks but no one wants to have or wear them respectively.
We get the society we deserve and want. If people really were worried about the deaths from Covid there would be 100% compliance with mask wearing and voluntary lockdowns.
As it is take away the legality and guidance and no more than 10% of people would wear masks.
People have judged themselves happy with the level of deaths from Covid.
Sir Roger Gale MP
@SirRogerGale
The No.10 party has all the hallmarks of another ‘Barnard Castle’ moment. No.10 clearly has some serious questions to answer. Fast.
The Red Wall only have after work Christmas drinks in the pub. And pay for them themselves.
Except last year. As they were closed.
And that's ignoring the strong possibility they originally engineered this hideous virus in their own bloody labs in Wuhan (Spoiler: they did, with American money)
It is generational.
Had the story broken a year ago I'd be bothered, but now I'm bothered about what's actually happening today.
I said last week that my daughter's Nativity* has been cancelled by the school. Told tonight that her Christingle at the Church* with the Brownies has been cancelled. And some f***ers want us to go back into lockdown and disrupt her education all over again.
Quite frankly whether someone got pissed twelve months ago is simply not on my radar. Whether my daughter's education is going to be fucked around with all over again is making me pissed now. Enough is enough, we have to put Covid worries behind us and let the NHS do its best and left life move on. Let kids be kids and let them have an education and if that means the virus spreads and people die then people frigging die. But no lockdowns, no restrictions, let people live. Let people have an education.
* Please don't reply with any anti-religion stuff. I'm an atheist, but I'm not forcing my atheism on her and she enjoys Brownies and was looking forward to the Church Service with the Christingle.
Cameron back please or even May