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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wasn’t Macron right that AZ turned out to only be quasi effective?

    Even the UK’s given up on it now.

    Is that a serious comment? Because he was not even close to being right, and his comments were an absurdity rooted in absurd political distraction going on at the time.
    Not a serious comment.
    Except…there was a grain of truth in it. Just a grain.
    No, there wasn’t. I genuinely don’t know what you are referring to.
    Yes you do.
    It’s considered to have inferior efficacy to Pfizer and Moderna, which is why we no longer use it in the U.K.
    Considered by whom? Handelsblatt? Macron? The WHO?

    It may have lower initial anti-body response - but that's only half the story - there is evidence of a stronger T-cell response - which is what our bodies rely upon longer term.
    The FT has done lots of nice charts on real world efficacy from the UK"s own data, and if you are going single vaccine type, AZ is not as good as Pfizer. Indeed, if you are using a two dose of the same vaccine type, it's about twenty percentage points worse than Pfizer at every point on the chart.

    That being said, AZ followed by Pfizer seems to offer the very best protection of any two-dose regime, and it's highly likely that AZ-AZ-Pfizer will prove to be significantly more efficacious than Pfizer-Pfizer-Pfizer.
    Also there is already evidence that AZ is better against Omicron
    The Pfizer trial featured statistically the same all-cause mortality in the experimental group as in the control group. It's a strange definition of 'efficiency' if statistically as many people die if they receive it. But pharma companies are good at complying with the letter of the rules (to avoid litigation) and ignoring all else, like saving lives.

    Discussion to this effect between doctors on social media, when the people concerned are senior enough not to get censored or expelled for it (which is absurd ).

    https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1462363528065597440
    Would you perhaps like to comment on the real world efficacy of dewormer?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,531
    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667

    OK. BBC saying it is oh-me-cron.

    What happened to Nu?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    If you think they are (a) getting six figure salaries and (b) being paid while on strike, you are confusing them with Tory MPs. And I have a bridge to Free Antrim to sell you.

    'Following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request made by MyLondon to Transport for London in early 2021, the annual wage of a full-time Tube driver was revealed as £56,496.'

    https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/incredible-salaries-earned-london-underground-21829201
    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do
    You do know that tube drivers work shifts? The idea that MPs have more antisocial working hours is laughable.
    Drivers usually work 36-hour weeks and have 43 days of annual leave,
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7422750/how-much-are-tube-drivers-paid-and-what-are-the-average-hours-working-on-the-london-underground/#:~:text=Drivers usually work 36-hour,17 weekends in a row.


    Past studies have found that an MP might typically work between 60 and 70 hours per week
    https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/is-being-an-mp-a-full-time-job-hours-members-of-parliament-work-as-almost-ps10m-earned-from-extra-jobs-3448011

    I don't recall seeing LT drivers spending their time in the saloon bars of their underground trains. Or being given vast bribes by their passengers to throw off other passengers from the train.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    Read the article linked to. No tube drivers are 'pocketing 6 figure salaries'.
    No Tube drivers should be pocketing any salaries. The entire network could be automated and made driverless tomorrow. No more strikes. It is only union power that means they cling on, like the print workers in Fleet Street in the 70s
    Gosh. A union looking after the interests of its members.

    How very dare they.
    I have a right-wing Tory friend who says cheerfully that if he'd been a Tube driver he's have voted for Bob Crow - "He understands how the free market works - not his job to be popular but to make his members rich."
    Bob Crow was also damn good on safety issues. On his watch and in no small part to his work the number of railway workers killed went from 109 in a year to just two.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098
    edited November 2021

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    A few more strikes like the one today and they would say Tory MPs, after all they elected 365 of them
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited November 2021

    OK. BBC saying it is oh-me-cron.

    What happened to Nu?
    I am guessing because people talking about the new "Nu" variant sounds like "New New" variant, which is TOOOOOOOOOOO CONFUSING.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,512

    Count Binface @CountBinface
    The WHO has given the nasty new variant the Greek letter “omicron”, presumably missing out the previous letter “Xi” to avoid an unfortunate link with China’s President. Because to be associated with such a horrific, unstoppable blight on humanity would be very harsh on Covid-19.

    https://twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1464296507981578240

    Didn’t someone in this thread already say that about 5 hours ago? 🤔
    Possibly.

    We're on the 8th page of the thread with 100 posts per page. I haven't read all 800 posts, have you?
    Either they copied bin face or bin face copied them…

    Or one of you IS Count Binface? Posting on this forum.
    That's a load of rubbish! :lol:
    Attention immediately falls on the person who denies it the loudest!

    We shall do this Sunil like they do on the board in cop shows. Do you have a sense of humour? Do you have an interest in politics? Do you live in London? How active is the creative side of your mind, Sunil?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428

    OK. BBC saying it is oh-me-cron.

    What happened to Nu?
    Been officially renamed, just as Alpha, Beta and Delta were.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    Andy_JS said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    If you think they are (a) getting six figure salaries and (b) being paid while on strike, you are confusing them with Tory MPs. And I have a bridge to Free Antrim to sell you.

    'Following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request made by MyLondon to Transport for London in early 2021, the annual wage of a full-time Tube driver was revealed as £56,496.'

    https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/incredible-salaries-earned-london-underground-21829201
    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do
    You're changing the goalposts again. YOu said SIX FIGURE SALARY.

    56,496 is , let me count very clearly for you,

    one
    TWO
    three
    four
    AND fIVE

    digits.

    The same number of digits (geddit?) as one of youir hands and feet, unless you come from Norfolk I suppose.

    And that is only 57% of the smallest possible six figure salary. Which is 100,000.
    Whoops, I didn't intend to start a mega-argument on here.
    HYUFD would start an argument if he read out aloud the instructions for the TV remote control in the Epping Conservative Club with nobody else in the room.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Leon said:


    Tom Newton Dunn
    @tnewtondunn
    ·
    3h
    [Sir John] Bell: "I've been saying this for nine months, that the biggest threat to us is the emergence of variants. We were pretty slow at trying to get more people vaccinated, particularly in Africa. And guess what's happened, it's come back to bite us".

    Except - how often does this have to be repeated - South Africa has ample jabs. They gave away or sold their AZ yet they STILL have 17m doses in warehouses. They can't find arms to accept them

    "The psychology of vaccine hesitancy and refusal - Once South Africa secured adequate amounts of vaccines, we were faced with a baffling dilemma. Not everyone wanted to take it"

    https://twitter.com/mailandguardian/status/1449268983778185219?s=20

    Re South Africa, it is an entirely bogus narrative
    After all the criticism of Leavers for supposedly believing in British exceptionalism, COVID has actually shown British exceptionalism exists and is a good thing. The near absence of anti-vax idiocy among the British people shows them what a sensible populace it is.
  • Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590


    Tom Newton Dunn
    @tnewtondunn
    ·
    3h
    [Sir John] Bell: "I've been saying this for nine months, that the biggest threat to us is the emergence of variants. We were pretty slow at trying to get more people vaccinated, particularly in Africa. And guess what's happened, it's come back to bite us".

    He also said this variant is unlikely to evade T-cells, even if it does happen to evade current antibodies, so for the vaccinated you're looking at lots more colds but not much more hospital use.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,201
    edited November 2021

    OK. BBC saying it is oh-me-cron.

    What happened to Nu?
    Been officially renamed, just as Alpha, Beta and Delta were.
    But Nu WAS a greek letter naming. In other news Adele and Ed Sheeran have the UK top 5 locked out between them. Perhaps we do deserve extinction after all.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    Read the article linked to. No tube drivers are 'pocketing 6 figure salaries'.
    No Tube drivers should be pocketing any salaries. The entire network could be automated and made driverless tomorrow. No more strikes. It is only union power that means they cling on, like the print workers in Fleet Street in the 70s
    Gosh. A union looking after the interests of its members.

    How very dare they.
    I have a right-wing Tory friend who says cheerfully that if he'd been a Tube driver he's have voted for Bob Crow - "He understands how the free market works - not his job to be popular but to make his members rich."
    It really says something about everyone involved that it's believed to be about popularity rather than morality.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428

    Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    Good luck.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    A few more strikes like the one today and they would say Tory MPs, after all they elected 365 of them
    HYUFD, your idea of a rational argument is to assert that A is white when it is in fact black, and defend that by claiming that it is 35% pink and anyway the elephant had a bale of straw for dinner so there.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,531

    It's snowing in Chesterfield. Sleet half an hour ago now definitely snow. 2.5c

    Is this a new PB test of where the North starts?
    Had some snow earlier in Godalming. It's the new Red Wall, y'know.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited November 2021
    New Covid variant is less worrying than delta, says Prof Chris Whitty

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/26/new-covid-variant-less-worrying-delta-says-prof-chris-whitty/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428
    maaarsh said:


    Tom Newton Dunn
    @tnewtondunn
    ·
    3h
    [Sir John] Bell: "I've been saying this for nine months, that the biggest threat to us is the emergence of variants. We were pretty slow at trying to get more people vaccinated, particularly in Africa. And guess what's happened, it's come back to bite us".

    He also said this variant is unlikely to evade T-cells, even if it does happen to evade current antibodies, so for the vaccinated you're looking at lots more colds but not much more hospital use.
    Quite. We are not a naive population. I think yet again we are seeing who understands how the immune system works, and those who don’t.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,030

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    If you think they are (a) getting six figure salaries and (b) being paid while on strike, you are confusing them with Tory MPs. And I have a bridge to Free Antrim to sell you.

    'Following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request made by MyLondon to Transport for London in early 2021, the annual wage of a full-time Tube driver was revealed as £56,496.'

    https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/incredible-salaries-earned-london-underground-21829201
    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do
    You're changing the goalposts again. YOu said SIX FIGURE SALARY.

    56,496 is , let me count very clearly for you,

    one
    TWO
    three
    four
    AND fIVE

    digits.

    The same number of digits (geddit?) as one of youir hands and feet, unless you come from Norfolk I suppose.

    And that is only 57% of the smallest possible six figure salary. Which is 100,000.
    'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary....'

    one
    two
    three
    four
    five
    AND SIX digits
    How many of them are paid "up to £100K"?
    Is the answer "All of them"?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Struggling to buy in to the panic really. Flu circulates and mutates at very high volumes, and it doesn't spontaneously become a more or less new disease all that often, so different that all built up immunity is irrelevant. People seem to be on the lookout for a 2nd once in a century occurance within 2 years.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667

    Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    Hope you get through it relatively unscathed. I still remember the devastation caused by the October 1987 storm in the south.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,939

    OK. BBC saying it is oh-me-cron.

    What happened to Nu?
    Nu is now old.
  • HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    Must be hard for them managing on £82k or thereabouts, mind.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    Is there a reason why the likes of Pfizer haven't already tweaked their vaccine for Delta variant? That has been about for nearly 12 months now and clearly the dominant variety. I presumed like flu, each winter we would be getting an "updated" version to best match what is out there.

    Is there a reason why the likes of Pfizer haven't already tweaked their vaccine for Delta variant? That has been about for nearly 12 months now and clearly the dominant variety. I presumed like flu, each winter we would be getting an "updated" version to best match what is out there.

    No demand, the original vaccine does well enough against delta to not bother with a new, more expansive, process with a big lead time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Most impressive French spokeswoman on BBC News. It really is time this country rid itself of this quite dreadful Prime Minister and Home Secretary. They are well beyond embarrassing.

    Macron and Boris are equally dreadful and both are embarrassing
    Thank goodness you could only vote for one of them otherwise the embarrassment would be excruciating.
    Just accidentally caught Neil Oliver on GBNews. Rocking the double denim.
    Definite whiff of occupant of cult compound under siege by the FBI about him nowadays.
    He’s an arse. What is it about historians? Oliver, Sharkey!
    Oi!
    Are you an historian?

    I read a proper history book about the real Merlin by Gordon Strachan, and was a very wise man, but also apparently a bit haughty though could be very light and funny too.

    And I have also looked up you name “ydoethur “ in an old book.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1jnBa3UwmgwC&pg=RA3-PA121&lpg=RA3-PA121&dq=doethur+similar+words+in+welsh&source=bl&ots=aYw8Y2921t&sig=ACfU3U3qO11WtqpXw50xDzc5fAKIFUIufw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAucaKqKD0AhUO_KQKHa0KAiEQ6AF6BAgTEAM#v=onepage&q=doethur similar words in welsh&f=false

    So I have done the detective work and put two and two together. Have I outed a big secret hidden in your name?

    Are you in fact a descendant of Merlin?
    No, I'm a PhD in History and a former lecturer before I went into teaching.
    I was wrong then. 😕

    But being a teacher is still good though, 👍🏻

    What would you say is your specialism?

    Fun history fact: did you know God made the earth design all the churches based on the curves of the female nude?
    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    If you think they are (a) getting six figure salaries and (b) being paid while on strike, you are confusing them with Tory MPs. And I have a bridge to Free Antrim to sell you.

    'Following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request made by MyLondon to Transport for London in early 2021, the annual wage of a full-time Tube driver was revealed as £56,496.'

    https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/incredible-salaries-earned-london-underground-21829201
    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do
    You're changing the goalposts again. YOu said SIX FIGURE SALARY.

    56,496 is , let me count very clearly for you,

    one
    TWO
    three
    four
    AND fIVE

    digits.

    The same number of digits (geddit?) as one of youir hands and feet, unless you come from Norfolk I suppose.

    And that is only 57% of the smallest possible six figure salary. Which is 100,000.
    Whoops, I didn't intend to start a mega-argument on here.
    HYUFD would start an argument if he read out aloud the instructions for the TV remote control in the Epping Conservative Club with nobody else in the room.
    We took a vote on which channel was on in 2014.
    There will be no re-vote for a generation!
    (Fingers pistol).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    edited November 2021

    Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    Hope you get through it relatively unscathed. I still remember the devastation caused by the October 1987 storm in the south.
    Not too bad here as opposed to the coast but very glad my new shed is strapped and screwed to the concrete base with steel brackets reinforcing the roof/wall and wall/floor joints.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,512
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wasn’t Macron right that AZ turned out to only be quasi effective?

    Even the UK’s given up on it now.

    Is that a serious comment? Because he was not even close to being right, and his comments were an absurdity rooted in absurd political distraction going on at the time.
    Not a serious comment.
    Except…there was a grain of truth in it. Just a grain.
    No, there wasn’t. I genuinely don’t know what you are referring to.
    Yes you do.
    It’s considered to have inferior efficacy to Pfizer and Moderna, which is why we no longer use it in the U.K.
    Considered by whom? Handelsblatt? Macron? The WHO?

    It may have lower initial anti-body response - but that's only half the story - there is evidence of a stronger T-cell response - which is what our bodies rely upon longer term.
    The FT has done lots of nice charts on real world efficacy from the UK"s own data, and if you are going single vaccine type, AZ is not as good as Pfizer. Indeed, if you are using a two dose of the same vaccine type, it's about twenty percentage points worse than Pfizer at every point on the chart.

    That being said, AZ followed by Pfizer seems to offer the very best protection of any two-dose regime, and it's highly likely that AZ-AZ-Pfizer will prove to be significantly more efficacious than Pfizer-Pfizer-Pfizer.
    Also there is already evidence that AZ is better against Omicron
    The Pfizer trial featured statistically the same all-cause mortality in the experimental group as in the control group. It's a strange definition of 'efficiency' if statistically as many people die if they receive it. But pharma companies are good at complying with the letter of the rules (to avoid litigation) and ignoring all else, like saving lives.

    Discussion to this effect between doctors on social media, when the people concerned are senior enough not to get censored or expelled for it (which is absurd ).

    https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1462363528065597440
    Would you perhaps like to comment on the real world efficacy of dewormer?
    I personally know cows who moo by it 🙂
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    edited November 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wasn’t Macron right that AZ turned out to only be quasi effective?

    Even the UK’s given up on it now.

    Is that a serious comment? Because he was not even close to being right, and his comments were an absurdity rooted in absurd political distraction going on at the time.
    Not a serious comment.
    Except…there was a grain of truth in it. Just a grain.
    No, there wasn’t. I genuinely don’t know what you are referring to.
    Yes you do.
    It’s considered to have inferior efficacy to Pfizer and Moderna, which is why we no longer use it in the U.K.
    Considered by whom? Handelsblatt? Macron? The WHO?

    It may have lower initial anti-body response - but that's only half the story - there is evidence of a stronger T-cell response - which is what our bodies rely upon longer term.
    The FT has done lots of nice charts on real world efficacy from the UK"s own data, and if you are going single vaccine type, AZ is not as good as Pfizer. Indeed, if you are using a two dose of the same vaccine type, it's about twenty percentage points worse than Pfizer at every point on the chart.

    That being said, AZ followed by Pfizer seems to offer the very best protection of any two-dose regime, and it's highly likely that AZ-AZ-Pfizer will prove to be significantly more efficacious than Pfizer-Pfizer-Pfizer.
    Also there is already evidence that AZ is better against Omicron
    The Pfizer trial featured statistically the same all-cause mortality in the experimental group as in the control group. It's a strange definition of 'efficiency' if statistically as many people die if they receive it. But pharma companies are good at complying with the letter of the rules (to avoid litigation) and ignoring all else, like saving lives.

    Discussion to this effect between doctors on social media, when the people concerned are senior enough not to get censored or expelled for it (which is absurd ).

    https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1462363528065597440
    And yet all the actual, real world evidence is that people who get seriously ill with Covid are much, much more likely to be unvaccinated.

    Weird how you aren't interested in that evidence.
    No need to worry if they've had horse deworming paste though. The YouTube experts said it would cure them as well as protect them from 5G cancer.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    Prudhoe Legion has lost its roof.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,428

    Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    Hope you get through it relatively unscathed. I still remember the devastation caused by the October 1987 storm in the south.
    It was epic. Awake in the night listening to the wind. A clump of trees near us was half felled and has only really recovered now, more than 30 years on.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667

    OK. BBC saying it is oh-me-cron.

    What happened to Nu?
    Nu is now old.
    With all due respect to @Leon's ex, Omicon is the nu nu now.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,939

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Wasn’t Macron right that AZ turned out to only be quasi effective?

    Even the UK’s given up on it now.

    Is that a serious comment? Because he was not even close to being right, and his comments were an absurdity rooted in absurd political distraction going on at the time.
    Not a serious comment.
    Except…there was a grain of truth in it. Just a grain.
    No, there wasn’t. I genuinely don’t know what you are referring to.
    Yes you do.
    It’s considered to have inferior efficacy to Pfizer and Moderna, which is why we no longer use it in the U.K.
    Considered by whom? Handelsblatt? Macron? The WHO?

    It may have lower initial anti-body response - but that's only half the story - there is evidence of a stronger T-cell response - which is what our bodies rely upon longer term.
    The FT has done lots of nice charts on real world efficacy from the UK"s own data, and if you are going single vaccine type, AZ is not as good as Pfizer. Indeed, if you are using a two dose of the same vaccine type, it's about twenty percentage points worse than Pfizer at every point on the chart.

    That being said, AZ followed by Pfizer seems to offer the very best protection of any two-dose regime, and it's highly likely that AZ-AZ-Pfizer will prove to be significantly more efficacious than Pfizer-Pfizer-Pfizer.
    Also there is already evidence that AZ is better against Omicron
    The Pfizer trial featured statistically the same all-cause mortality in the experimental group as in the control group. It's a strange definition of 'efficiency' if statistically as many people die if they receive it. But pharma companies are good at complying with the letter of the rules (to avoid litigation) and ignoring all else, like saving lives.

    Discussion to this effect between doctors on social media, when the people concerned are senior enough not to get censored or expelled for it (which is absurd ).

    https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1462363528065597440
    Would you perhaps like to comment on the real world efficacy of dewormer?
    Ivermectin is a fantastically useful drug that made Merck a lot of money. There is nothing better*…at killing parasites

    * actually the Trio combination with an isox, moxi and pyrantel but what the f**k do I know about animal drugs**

    ** probably more than the average bear, but whatever
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,030
    Was Nu only ever the name used on PB?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
  • dixiedean said:

    Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    Prudhoe Legion has lost its roof.
    We're up a hill and its been *bad*. But have seen some pictures and video down in Fraserburgh where Arwen tore the roof off the Heritage Centre chunk by chunk, and removed the big TESCO sign off the store roof into the carpark.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    Specifying the party opens up an interesting line in differential pay for MPs. The other week someone was saying anyway who wouldn't do it for 80k is a rotter. Clearly the real attractiveness and virtue in accepting that figure depends on what they're coming from.

    Why not pay MPs 90% of what they earned on average in the prior 5 years, then they could all be equally virtuous, with the best paid suffering the largest fall in income.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    Read the article linked to. No tube drivers are 'pocketing 6 figure salaries'.
    No Tube drivers should be pocketing any salaries. The entire network could be automated and made driverless tomorrow. No more strikes. It is only union power that means they cling on, like the print workers in Fleet Street in the 70s
    Gosh. A union looking after the interests of its members.

    How very dare they.
    I have a right-wing Tory friend who says cheerfully that if he'd been a Tube driver he's have voted for Bob Crow - "He understands how the free market works - not his job to be popular but to make his members rich."
    Crow was born in Epping but fortunately his family moved to Hainault shortly after.

    As well as being a Communist strike leader on a large salary, he also got on well with Farage surprisingly as both were anti EU
  • Was Nu only ever the name used on PB?

    No. See, for example:

    Prof Francois Balloux
    @BallouxFrancois
    ·
    Nov 25
    OK, it looks like we may have a Nu Variant of Concern on our hands ... Confused face
  • Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    All the best - where are you incidentally?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    Wiki gives both pronounciations for Omicron - with the 'i' as in 'kit' or 'kite'.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,889
    Evening all :)

    Mrs Stodge was out and about on the tube today on the Jubilee and Central lines.

    Reported a 5 minute service on the Jubilee and similar on the Central at Stratford. I do gather it's deteriorated to a 10 minute service this evening which isn't brilliant but not quite the meltdown some were predicting.

    This dispute is only affecting some lines - for example, the District and Hammersmith & City are unaffected. The dispute about the Night Tube is affecting only the Central and Victoria lines.

    It's obviously frustrating for businesses trying to recover from the virus - I read somewhere the TfL pension scheme was unviable and needless to say with commuter service still less than 2/3 of pre-virus levels the operating model for TfL is no longer viable either.

    There are already cuts in services on the tubes, buses and TfL rail but, as I've said before, the whole public transport operating model needs to be re-thought.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The pharmaceuticals manufacturer Novavax has begun work on a new version of its Covid-19 vaccine, aimed at targeting the Omicron variant.

    It says it hopes the vaccine will be ready for testing and manufacturing within a matter of weeks.

    Did Novavax actually managed to get their previous Covid vaccine actually manufactured?
    No. Significant manufacturing difficulties. The shareholders were very upset.
    *buffs nails*

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you about NovaVax over a year ago

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,030
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    So there you go. You missed the drivers. If the Tory MPs had all been taken a duvet day it would have had no impact on your plans.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,512
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Most impressive French spokeswoman on BBC News. It really is time this country rid itself of this quite dreadful Prime Minister and Home Secretary. They are well beyond embarrassing.

    Macron and Boris are equally dreadful and both are embarrassing
    Thank goodness you could only vote for one of them otherwise the embarrassment would be excruciating.
    Just accidentally caught Neil Oliver on GBNews. Rocking the double denim.
    Definite whiff of occupant of cult compound under siege by the FBI about him nowadays.
    He’s an arse. What is it about historians? Oliver, Sharkey!
    Oi!
    Are you an historian?

    I read a proper history book about the real Merlin by Gordon Strachan, and was a very wise man, but also apparently a bit haughty though could be very light and funny too.

    And I have also looked up you name “ydoethur “ in an old book.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1jnBa3UwmgwC&pg=RA3-PA121&lpg=RA3-PA121&dq=doethur+similar+words+in+welsh&source=bl&ots=aYw8Y2921t&sig=ACfU3U3qO11WtqpXw50xDzc5fAKIFUIufw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAucaKqKD0AhUO_KQKHa0KAiEQ6AF6BAgTEAM#v=onepage&q=doethur similar words in welsh&f=false

    So I have done the detective work and put two and two together. Have I outed a big secret hidden in your name?

    Are you in fact a descendant of Merlin?
    No, I'm a PhD in History and a former lecturer before I went into teaching.
    I was wrong then. 😕

    But being a teacher is still good though, 👍🏻

    What would you say is your specialism?

    Fun history fact: did you know God made the earth design all the churches based on the curves of the female nude?
    His main specialism is puns. Some history teaching as a hobby...
    Lol. I will have to watch out for them. Maybe I should have asked what is specialism in puns, not in history.

    PS. Shh - he still might be a Merlin just denying it
    Witch would be amusing in its own way.
    So your specialism is spelling?
    No, puntuation.

    And according to @MoonRabbit also gramarye.
    I was bottom of the class for punctuation and spalling and gramarye always, and they tested me for dyslexia twice in two different schools and both times said no, not that, you’re just rubbish.
    And one teacher gave me a book on Venice by Ruskin, do you know it, and said read this and what he is doing with punctuation and gramarye will subconscious sink in. And the first thing I noticed was he would use every punctuation excuse not to use a full stop.
    But that didn’t work either.
    Look in this example, whole paragraphs and no full stops. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Two_Paths/Lecture_V
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202
    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The pharmaceuticals manufacturer Novavax has begun work on a new version of its Covid-19 vaccine, aimed at targeting the Omicron variant.

    It says it hopes the vaccine will be ready for testing and manufacturing within a matter of weeks.

    Did Novavax actually managed to get their previous Covid vaccine actually manufactured?
    No. Significant manufacturing difficulties. The shareholders were very upset.
    *buffs nails*

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you about NovaVax over a year ago

    I thought you warned us about No Vax :lol:
  • OK. BBC saying it is oh-me-cron.

    What happened to Nu?
    Too easily confused with "new" was what I read.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098
    edited November 2021

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
  • At least 15 people on 2 flights from South Africa test positive for coronavirus at Amsterdam Airport; number expected to rise, variant not yet known - NOS
  • Carnival Corp down nearly 11% in one day.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    So there you go. You missed the drivers. If the Tory MPs had all been taken a duvet day it would have had no impact on your plans.
    If the trains were all automated I would not have missed them at all and TfL would have a much healthier balance sheet.

    The more they demand ever higher pay for fewer hours and the more they strike the sooner automation will come
  • "We don't need to buy more things. We don't need to produce more things."

    XR activist up some scaffolding outside Amazon.
  • "We don't need to buy more things. We don't need to produce more things."

    XR activist up some scaffolding outside Amazon.

    Raises hand very slowly.....
  • Germany reports 381 new coronavirus deaths, the biggest one-day increase since March, and 72,157 new cases
  • Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    All the best - where are you incidentally?
    New Pitsligo
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Most impressive French spokeswoman on BBC News. It really is time this country rid itself of this quite dreadful Prime Minister and Home Secretary. They are well beyond embarrassing.

    Macron and Boris are equally dreadful and both are embarrassing
    Thank goodness you could only vote for one of them otherwise the embarrassment would be excruciating.
    Just accidentally caught Neil Oliver on GBNews. Rocking the double denim.
    Definite whiff of occupant of cult compound under siege by the FBI about him nowadays.
    He’s an arse. What is it about historians? Oliver, Sharkey!
    Oi!
    Are you an historian?

    I read a proper history book about the real Merlin by Gordon Strachan, and was a very wise man, but also apparently a bit haughty though could be very light and funny too.

    And I have also looked up you name “ydoethur “ in an old book.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1jnBa3UwmgwC&pg=RA3-PA121&lpg=RA3-PA121&dq=doethur+similar+words+in+welsh&source=bl&ots=aYw8Y2921t&sig=ACfU3U3qO11WtqpXw50xDzc5fAKIFUIufw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAucaKqKD0AhUO_KQKHa0KAiEQ6AF6BAgTEAM#v=onepage&q=doethur similar words in welsh&f=false

    So I have done the detective work and put two and two together. Have I outed a big secret hidden in your name?

    Are you in fact a descendant of Merlin?
    No, I'm a PhD in History and a former lecturer before I went into teaching.
    I was wrong then. 😕

    But being a teacher is still good though, 👍🏻

    What would you say is your specialism?

    Fun history fact: did you know God made the earth design all the churches based on the curves of the female nude?
    His main specialism is puns. Some history teaching as a hobby...
    Lol. I will have to watch out for them. Maybe I should have asked what is specialism in puns, not in history.

    PS. Shh - he still might be a Merlin just denying it
    Witch would be amusing in its own way.
    So your specialism is spelling?
    No, puntuation.

    And according to @MoonRabbit also gramarye.
    I was bottom of the class for punctuation and spalling and gramarye always, and they tested me for dyslexia twice in two different schools and both times said no, not that, you’re just rubbish.
    And one teacher gave me a book on Venice by Ruskin, do you know it, and said read this and what he is doing with punctuation and gramarye will subconscious sink in. And the first thing I noticed was he would use every punctuation excuse not to use a full stop.
    But that didn’t work either.
    Look in this example, whole paragraphs and no full stops. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Two_Paths/Lecture_V
    Why the private profile? I've neverseen anyone else on PB elect to have a private profile.

    Why did I notice? I was looking to see if it was you that posted the same Ruskin lecture a day or so ago... Assuming it was, why the obsession with this Ruskin lecture?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    Unable to get to where you want by public transport?
    Welcome to everyday rural life.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    Unable to get to where you want by public transport?
    Welcome to everyday rural life.
    Most people in villages now are pensioners or farmers, not commuters
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,939
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    Read the article linked to. No tube drivers are 'pocketing 6 figure salaries'.
    No Tube drivers should be pocketing any salaries. The entire network could be automated and made driverless tomorrow. No more strikes. It is only union power that means they cling on, like the print workers in Fleet Street in the 70s
    Gosh. A union looking after the interests of its members.

    How very dare they.
    I have a right-wing Tory friend who says cheerfully that if he'd been a Tube driver he's have voted for Bob Crow - "He understands how the free market works - not his job to be popular but to make his members rich."
    Crow was born in Epping but fortunately his family moved to Hainault shortly after.

    As well as being a Communist strike leader on a large salary, he also got on well with Farage surprisingly as both were anti EU
    Hopefully, the good citizens of Epping think that you moving to the town was a good swap for Bob Crow moving out.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    That’s only a one hour walk…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098
    edited November 2021

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    That’s only a one hour walk…
    In the middle of the working day
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,428

    At least 15 people on 2 flights from South Africa test positive for coronavirus at Amsterdam Airport; number expected to rise, variant not yet known - NOS

    Meanwhile the UK just let them in. Another major failure by HMG
  • HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    Unable to get to where you want by public transport?
    Welcome to everyday rural life.
    Most people in villages now are pensioners or farmers, not commuters
    Reminds me of this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JurvPFBgEHs
  • British vaccine could give strong protection against new super-mutant Covid strain: Tweaked version of AstraZeneca jab is in final trial stages and may be ready within weeks

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10247587/British-vaccine-strong-protection-against-new-super-mutant-Covid-strain.html
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    That’s only a one hour walk…
    In the middle of the working day
    That’s why I didn’t suggest taking the bus.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,428

    Germany reports 381 new coronavirus deaths, the biggest one-day increase since March, and 72,157 new cases

    When Paris is mandating masks OUTSIDE, how long can Germany resist lockdown?
  • HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    Read the article linked to. No tube drivers are 'pocketing 6 figure salaries'.
    No Tube drivers should be pocketing any salaries. The entire network could be automated and made driverless tomorrow. No more strikes. It is only union power that means they cling on, like the print workers in Fleet Street in the 70s
    Gosh. A union looking after the interests of its members.

    How very dare they.
    I have a right-wing Tory friend who says cheerfully that if he'd been a Tube driver he's have voted for Bob Crow - "He understands how the free market works - not his job to be popular but to make his members rich."
    Crow was born in Epping but fortunately his family moved to Hainault shortly after.

    As well as being a Communist strike leader on a large salary, he also got on well with Farage surprisingly as both were anti EU
    Hopefully, the good citizens of Epping think that you moving to the town was a good swap for Bob Crow moving out.
    Depeche Mode's Dave Gahan was also born in Epping. (though he moved to Basildon when he was a young boy).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited November 2021

    Carnival Corp down nearly 11% in one day.....

    Yes, and with US trading truncated due to the holiday.

    If you think this new variant will prove a storm in a teacup - perhaps infectious but not harmful - then buying CCL might be a good play.

    But maybe not just yet.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288

    At least 15 people on 2 flights from South Africa test positive for coronavirus at Amsterdam Airport; number expected to rise, variant not yet known - NOS

    Don't believe a word, it's all a hoax, Schiphol!
  • Wiki gives both pronounciations for Omicron - with the 'i' as in 'kit' or 'kite'.

    I'm going with the BBC. They spend hours on this kind of thing.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,030
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    Unable to get to where you want by public transport?
    Welcome to everyday rural life.
    Most people in villages now are pensioners or farmers, not commuters
    They used to be miners in the villages in County Durham. I don't think many of them turned to farming.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,512

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Most impressive French spokeswoman on BBC News. It really is time this country rid itself of this quite dreadful Prime Minister and Home Secretary. They are well beyond embarrassing.

    Macron and Boris are equally dreadful and both are embarrassing
    Thank goodness you could only vote for one of them otherwise the embarrassment would be excruciating.
    Just accidentally caught Neil Oliver on GBNews. Rocking the double denim.
    Definite whiff of occupant of cult compound under siege by the FBI about him nowadays.
    He’s an arse. What is it about historians? Oliver, Sharkey!
    Oi!
    Are you an historian?

    I read a proper history book about the real Merlin by Gordon Strachan, and was a very wise man, but also apparently a bit haughty though could be very light and funny too.

    And I have also looked up you name “ydoethur “ in an old book.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1jnBa3UwmgwC&pg=RA3-PA121&lpg=RA3-PA121&dq=doethur+similar+words+in+welsh&source=bl&ots=aYw8Y2921t&sig=ACfU3U3qO11WtqpXw50xDzc5fAKIFUIufw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAucaKqKD0AhUO_KQKHa0KAiEQ6AF6BAgTEAM#v=onepage&q=doethur similar words in welsh&f=false

    So I have done the detective work and put two and two together. Have I outed a big secret hidden in your name?

    Are you in fact a descendant of Merlin?
    No, I'm a PhD in History and a former lecturer before I went into teaching.
    I was wrong then. 😕

    But being a teacher is still good though, 👍🏻

    What would you say is your specialism?

    Fun history fact: did you know God made the earth design all the churches based on the curves of the female nude?
    His main specialism is puns. Some history teaching as a hobby...
    Lol. I will have to watch out for them. Maybe I should have asked what is specialism in puns, not in history.

    PS. Shh - he still might be a Merlin just denying it
    Witch would be amusing in its own way.
    So your specialism is spelling?
    No, puntuation.

    And according to @MoonRabbit also gramarye.
    I was bottom of the class for punctuation and spalling and gramarye always, and they tested me for dyslexia twice in two different schools and both times said no, not that, you’re just rubbish.
    And one teacher gave me a book on Venice by Ruskin, do you know it, and said read this and what he is doing with punctuation and gramarye will subconscious sink in. And the first thing I noticed was he would use every punctuation excuse not to use a full stop.
    But that didn’t work either.
    Look in this example, whole paragraphs and no full stops. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Two_Paths/Lecture_V
    Why the private profile? I've neverseen anyone else on PB elect to have a private profile.

    Why did I notice? I was looking to see if it was you that posted the same Ruskin lecture a day or so ago... Assuming it was, why the obsession with this Ruskin lecture?
    Yes. Me. Last night before bed. Yesterday we were talking about geology, someone said they come here to talk geology so I posted it. If it wasn’t for rust the landscape wouldn’t look as it does, and paintings wouldn’t look as they do. That’s a bit of geology I know from art. But truth is it is good writing as well as good knowledge isn’t it? Are there any better examples of how to write than Ruskin?

    I don’t know about private profile or not when I set up just pressed buttons. Should I go back and unpress it now if it helps?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,428
    The Luftwaffe flying German ICU patients to less pressured hospitals. Quite something

    https://twitter.com/team_luftwaffe/status/1464249421697269761?s=21

  • Eric Feigl-Ding
    @DrEricDing
    ·
    44m
    ⚠️FIRST #OmicronVariant EUROPE CASE DID **NOT** TRAVEL TO SOUTHERN AFRICA—Tracing details of the Belgium #B11529 case reveals only travel to Egypt🇪🇬 & Turkey 🇹🇷—but not Sub-Saharan Africa at all. I’m concerned #Omicron is global 🌍 already—very worried. 🧵
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    Unable to get to where you want by public transport?
    Welcome to everyday rural life.
    Most people in villages now are pensioners or farmers, not commuters
    You haven't lived round here obviously.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    IanB2 said:

    Carnival Corp down nearly 11% in one day.....

    Yes, and with US trading truncated due to the holiday.

    If you think this new variant will prove a storm in a teacup - perhaps infectious but not harmful - then buying CCL might be a good play.

    But maybe not just yet.
    Invest generically enough and you still win even if it's horrific. Anyone buying an S&P 500 tracker after the first sell off has doubled their money now.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    Unable to get to where you want by public transport?
    Welcome to everyday rural life.
    Most people in villages now are pensioners or farmers, not commuters
    They used to be miners in the villages in County Durham. I don't think many of them turned to farming.
    So past tense then, the former miners will be pensioners now if still alive
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited November 2021


    Eric Feigl-Ding
    @DrEricDing
    ·
    44m
    ⚠️FIRST #OmicronVariant EUROPE CASE DID **NOT** TRAVEL TO SOUTHERN AFRICA—Tracing details of the Belgium #B11529 case reveals only travel to Egypt🇪🇬 & Turkey 🇹🇷—but not Sub-Saharan Africa at all. I’m concerned #Omicron is global 🌍 already—very worried. 🧵

    Already been posted....individual was neither vaccinated nor previously infected...but allowed to travel...shakes head.

    It was also 11 days after their return they developed symptoms, so it might not be from their travels.
  • Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    All the best - where are you incidentally?
    New Pitsligo
    Ah, Aberdeenshire. I was in Aberdeen visiting relatives just before the first lockdown. Managed to do the Aberdeen to Inverness rail line.
  • Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    All the best - where are you incidentally?
    New Pitsligo
    Ah, Aberdeenshire. I was in Aberdeen visiting relatives just before the first lockdown. Managed to do the Aberdeen to Inverness rail line.
    Did you get to The Kyle of Lochalsh?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Most impressive French spokeswoman on BBC News. It really is time this country rid itself of this quite dreadful Prime Minister and Home Secretary. They are well beyond embarrassing.

    Macron and Boris are equally dreadful and both are embarrassing
    Thank goodness you could only vote for one of them otherwise the embarrassment would be excruciating.
    Just accidentally caught Neil Oliver on GBNews. Rocking the double denim.
    Definite whiff of occupant of cult compound under siege by the FBI about him nowadays.
    He’s an arse. What is it about historians? Oliver, Sharkey!
    Oi!
    Are you an historian?

    I read a proper history book about the real Merlin by Gordon Strachan, and was a very wise man, but also apparently a bit haughty though could be very light and funny too.

    And I have also looked up you name “ydoethur “ in an old book.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1jnBa3UwmgwC&pg=RA3-PA121&lpg=RA3-PA121&dq=doethur+similar+words+in+welsh&source=bl&ots=aYw8Y2921t&sig=ACfU3U3qO11WtqpXw50xDzc5fAKIFUIufw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAucaKqKD0AhUO_KQKHa0KAiEQ6AF6BAgTEAM#v=onepage&q=doethur similar words in welsh&f=false

    So I have done the detective work and put two and two together. Have I outed a big secret hidden in your name?

    Are you in fact a descendant of Merlin?
    No, I'm a PhD in History and a former lecturer before I went into teaching.
    I was wrong then. 😕

    But being a teacher is still good though, 👍🏻

    What would you say is your specialism?

    Fun history fact: did you know God made the earth design all the churches based on the curves of the female nude?
    His main specialism is puns. Some history teaching as a hobby...
    Lol. I will have to watch out for them. Maybe I should have asked what is specialism in puns, not in history.

    PS. Shh - he still might be a Merlin just denying it
    Witch would be amusing in its own way.
    So your specialism is spelling?
    No, puntuation.

    And according to @MoonRabbit also gramarye.
    I was bottom of the class for punctuation and spalling and gramarye always, and they tested me for dyslexia twice in two different schools and both times said no, not that, you’re just rubbish.
    And one teacher gave me a book on Venice by Ruskin, do you know it, and said read this and what he is doing with punctuation and gramarye will subconscious sink in. And the first thing I noticed was he would use every punctuation excuse not to use a full stop.
    But that didn’t work either.
    Look in this example, whole paragraphs and no full stops. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Two_Paths/Lecture_V
    Why the private profile? I've neverseen anyone else on PB elect to have a private profile.

    Why did I notice? I was looking to see if it was you that posted the same Ruskin lecture a day or so ago... Assuming it was, why the obsession with this Ruskin lecture?
    Yes. Me. Last night before bed. Yesterday we were talking about geology, someone said they come here to talk geology so I posted it. If it wasn’t for rust the landscape wouldn’t look as it does, and paintings wouldn’t look as they do. That’s a bit of geology I know from art. But truth is it is good writing as well as good knowledge isn’t it? Are there any better examples of how to write than Ruskin?

    I don’t know about private profile or not when I set up just pressed buttons. Should I go back and unpress it now if it helps?
    Well, it feels a bit unfriendly.

    It's sometimes nice to be able to look back at an indivudual's previous posts and you markng your profile as private prevents that.

    Click on you name where it appears against any post, clikc the settings wheel, edit profile, uncheck the private profile box.

    As I say, I have not come across anyone else who has a private profile on PB.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,939

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    Read the article linked to. No tube drivers are 'pocketing 6 figure salaries'.
    No Tube drivers should be pocketing any salaries. The entire network could be automated and made driverless tomorrow. No more strikes. It is only union power that means they cling on, like the print workers in Fleet Street in the 70s
    Gosh. A union looking after the interests of its members.

    How very dare they.
    I have a right-wing Tory friend who says cheerfully that if he'd been a Tube driver he's have voted for Bob Crow - "He understands how the free market works - not his job to be popular but to make his members rich."
    Crow was born in Epping but fortunately his family moved to Hainault shortly after.

    As well as being a Communist strike leader on a large salary, he also got on well with Farage surprisingly as both were anti EU
    Hopefully, the good citizens of Epping think that you moving to the town was a good swap for Bob Crow moving out.
    Depeche Mode's Dave Gahan was also born in Epping. (though he moved to Basildon when he was a young boy).
    That’s another bonus for Epping!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,939

    Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    All the best - where are you incidentally?
    New Pitsligo
    Ah, Aberdeenshire. I was in Aberdeen visiting relatives just before the first lockdown. Managed to do the Aberdeen to Inverness rail line.
    Did you get to The Kyle of Lochalsh?
    Not from Aberdeenshire I expect.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    Unable to get to where you want by public transport?
    Welcome to everyday rural life.
    Most people in villages now are pensioners or farmers, not commuters
    You haven't lived round here obviously.
    Or indeed on this planet, judging by many of his posts.
  • British vaccine could give strong protection against new super-mutant Covid strain: Tweaked version of AstraZeneca jab is in final trial stages and may be ready within weeks

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10247587/British-vaccine-strong-protection-against-new-super-mutant-Covid-strain.html

    Smashing! Although, I'm sure it will turn out to be quasi-effective for anyone born in France.
  • .


    Eric Feigl-Ding
    @DrEricDing
    ·
    44m
    ⚠️FIRST #OmicronVariant EUROPE CASE DID **NOT** TRAVEL TO SOUTHERN AFRICA—Tracing details of the Belgium #B11529 case reveals only travel to Egypt🇪🇬 & Turkey 🇹🇷—but not Sub-Saharan Africa at all. I’m concerned #Omicron is global 🌍 already—very worried. 🧵

    Already been posted....individual was neither vaccinated nor previously infected...but allowed to travel...shakes head.

    It was also 11 days after their return they developed symptoms, so it might not be from their travels.
    Unvaccinated person catches Covid. 😱
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,030
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    Even £56,496 puts them in the top 10% of earners and most Tory MPs have to work part of the weekend on constituency visits as well as often long days and part of the evening in the House in the week.

    Plus 'Transport for London has now admitted that Tube staff are paid up to £100k a year in salary, pension contributions, allowances and perks including season ticket reimbursements' so in total some earn more than Tory MPs do

    I dare you to commission Survation to add a question to their next poll (it doesn't cost much): "Who should earn more - Tube drivers or Conservative MPs?"
    The country would miss tube drivers. Conservative MPs, not so much.
    Would they? I was supposed to go into London today but couldn't because they were on strike while Tory MPs were still working for their constituents in the Commons as they will work in their constituencies tomorrow
    You could have taken the bus to Harlow and taken Greater Anglia into Liverpool Street, you know!
    The strike included between Liverpool Street and White City and I needed to get to Oxford Circus
    Unable to get to where you want by public transport?
    Welcome to everyday rural life.
    Most people in villages now are pensioners or farmers, not commuters
    They used to be miners in the villages in County Durham. I don't think many of them turned to farming.
    So past tense then, the former miners will be pensioners now if still alive
    Yes. Their sons and daughters look after the farms these days. Or perhaps they commute to their jobs in Newcastle and Sunderland?
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590

    .


    Eric Feigl-Ding
    @DrEricDing
    ·
    44m
    ⚠️FIRST #OmicronVariant EUROPE CASE DID **NOT** TRAVEL TO SOUTHERN AFRICA—Tracing details of the Belgium #B11529 case reveals only travel to Egypt🇪🇬 & Turkey 🇹🇷—but not Sub-Saharan Africa at all. I’m concerned #Omicron is global 🌍 already—very worried. 🧵

    Already been posted....individual was neither vaccinated nor previously infected...but allowed to travel...shakes head.

    It was also 11 days after their return they developed symptoms, so it might not be from their travels.
    Unvaccinated person catches Covid. 😱
    Even worse, they're suffering mild symptoms at home!
  • Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    All the best - where are you incidentally?
    New Pitsligo
    Ah, Aberdeenshire. I was in Aberdeen visiting relatives just before the first lockdown. Managed to do the Aberdeen to Inverness rail line.
    Did you get to The Kyle of Lochalsh?
    Not from Aberdeenshire I expect.
    The one time I went I thought it was via Inverness. I am probably mistaken.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,512

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Most impressive French spokeswoman on BBC News. It really is time this country rid itself of this quite dreadful Prime Minister and Home Secretary. They are well beyond embarrassing.

    Macron and Boris are equally dreadful and both are embarrassing
    Thank goodness you could only vote for one of them otherwise the embarrassment would be excruciating.
    Just accidentally caught Neil Oliver on GBNews. Rocking the double denim.
    Definite whiff of occupant of cult compound under siege by the FBI about him nowadays.
    He’s an arse. What is it about historians? Oliver, Sharkey!
    Oi!
    Are you an historian?

    I read a proper history book about the real Merlin by Gordon Strachan, and was a very wise man, but also apparently a bit haughty though could be very light and funny too.

    And I have also looked up you name “ydoethur “ in an old book.

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1jnBa3UwmgwC&pg=RA3-PA121&lpg=RA3-PA121&dq=doethur+similar+words+in+welsh&source=bl&ots=aYw8Y2921t&sig=ACfU3U3qO11WtqpXw50xDzc5fAKIFUIufw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAucaKqKD0AhUO_KQKHa0KAiEQ6AF6BAgTEAM#v=onepage&q=doethur similar words in welsh&f=false

    So I have done the detective work and put two and two together. Have I outed a big secret hidden in your name?

    Are you in fact a descendant of Merlin?
    No, I'm a PhD in History and a former lecturer before I went into teaching.
    I was wrong then. 😕

    But being a teacher is still good though, 👍🏻

    What would you say is your specialism?

    Fun history fact: did you know God made the earth design all the churches based on the curves of the female nude?
    His main specialism is puns. Some history teaching as a hobby...
    Lol. I will have to watch out for them. Maybe I should have asked what is specialism in puns, not in history.

    PS. Shh - he still might be a Merlin just denying it
    Witch would be amusing in its own way.
    So your specialism is spelling?
    No, puntuation.

    And according to @MoonRabbit also gramarye.
    I was bottom of the class for punctuation and spalling and gramarye always, and they tested me for dyslexia twice in two different schools and both times said no, not that, you’re just rubbish.
    And one teacher gave me a book on Venice by Ruskin, do you know it, and said read this and what he is doing with punctuation and gramarye will subconscious sink in. And the first thing I noticed was he would use every punctuation excuse not to use a full stop.
    But that didn’t work either.
    Look in this example, whole paragraphs and no full stops. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Two_Paths/Lecture_V
    Why the private profile? I've neverseen anyone else on PB elect to have a private profile.

    Why did I notice? I was looking to see if it was you that posted the same Ruskin lecture a day or so ago... Assuming it was, why the obsession with this Ruskin lecture?
    Yes. Me. Last night before bed. Yesterday we were talking about geology, someone said they come here to talk geology so I posted it. If it wasn’t for rust the landscape wouldn’t look as it does, and paintings wouldn’t look as they do. That’s a bit of geology I know from art. But truth is it is good writing as well as good knowledge isn’t it? Are there any better examples of how to write than Ruskin?

    I don’t know about private profile or not when I set up just pressed buttons. Should I go back and unpress it now if it helps?
    Well, it feels a bit unfriendly.

    It's sometimes nice to be able to look back at an indivudual's previous posts and you markng your profile as private prevents that.

    Click on you name where it appears against any post, clikc the settings wheel, edit profile, uncheck the private profile box.

    As I say, I have not come across anyone else who has a private profile on PB.
    I think that’s done now Ben 🙂
  • Evening all. Hope that Arwen isn't treating you too badly - the best/worst storm I can remember. Have only ever heard wind roar on tornado chaser programs until tonight, now I have video of it outside my house.

    There is something primal about the power of nature. I have some treasured memories of storms, such as 1987, and also of the best snowfalls. Hope you are well and no damage to your house!
    Lost at least one roof slate, will assess the rest in the morning. Its not pretty out there, trees down everywhere and loads of garages with roofs off.
    All the best - where are you incidentally?
    New Pitsligo
    Ah, Aberdeenshire. I was in Aberdeen visiting relatives just before the first lockdown. Managed to do the Aberdeen to Inverness rail line.
    Did you get to The Kyle of Lochalsh?
    Sadly, no! And I didn't get to do the Thurso/Wick line either! If it weren't for the pandemic, I would have done those some time during spring or summer 2020.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,868
    edited November 2021
    maaarsh said:

    IanB2 said:

    Carnival Corp down nearly 11% in one day.....

    Yes, and with US trading truncated due to the holiday.

    If you think this new variant will prove a storm in a teacup - perhaps infectious but not harmful - then buying CCL might be a good play.

    But maybe not just yet.
    Invest generically enough and you still win even if it's horrific. Anyone buying an S&P 500 tracker after the first sell off has doubled their money now.
    We’re hardly in that territory - a 1000 self off with probably the same tomorrow barely takes the US back a few weeks, given how high the market is. Many think a correction overdue and if this variant is more dangerous, who knows…
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The pharmaceuticals manufacturer Novavax has begun work on a new version of its Covid-19 vaccine, aimed at targeting the Omicron variant.

    It says it hopes the vaccine will be ready for testing and manufacturing within a matter of weeks.

    Did Novavax actually managed to get their previous Covid vaccine actually manufactured?
    No. Significant manufacturing difficulties. The shareholders were very upset.
    *buffs nails*

    Don’t say I didn’t warn you about NovaVax over a year ago

    I thought you warned us about No Vax :lol:
    My company got the ticker VAXX 👻
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,098

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Steerpike
    Mind the gap: striking Tube drivers on up to £100,000"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/mind-the-gap-striking-tube-drivers-on-up-to-100k

    The politics of envy?
    Fine if they work for it, not fine when they are on strike like today and holding up commuters from getting to work while still pocketing 6 figure salaries
    Read the article linked to. No tube drivers are 'pocketing 6 figure salaries'.
    No Tube drivers should be pocketing any salaries. The entire network could be automated and made driverless tomorrow. No more strikes. It is only union power that means they cling on, like the print workers in Fleet Street in the 70s
    Gosh. A union looking after the interests of its members.

    How very dare they.
    I have a right-wing Tory friend who says cheerfully that if he'd been a Tube driver he's have voted for Bob Crow - "He understands how the free market works - not his job to be popular but to make his members rich."
    Crow was born in Epping but fortunately his family moved to Hainault shortly after.

    As well as being a Communist strike leader on a large salary, he also got on well with Farage surprisingly as both were anti EU
    Hopefully, the good citizens of Epping think that you moving to the town was a good swap for Bob Crow moving out.
    Depeche Mode's Dave Gahan was also born in Epping. (though he moved to Basildon when he was a young boy).
    That’s another bonus for Epping!
    As was Ben Shepherd, Philip Hammond, the children's author Jill Barklem and the actor Jason Merrells and Griff Rhys Jones went to primary school in Epping. Winston Churchill was of course Epping's former MP
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,675
    Just been watching classic seventies sci-fi The Omicron Variant. Or was it Newsnight? Hard to tell these days.
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