"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
Bootle had two in 1990 so could be high on the 'all time' list.
Can anyone beat Corby which had four different MPs between March 2010 and May 2015?
Don’t start me on Louise f***ing Bradshawe.
Who the f*** was she? A maths teacher, good one the times tables?
Actually Louise Bagshawe, elected in 2010 for Corby and then quit a couple of years later and the seat was lost to Labour. She was also a ‘vivid’ PB poster (not under own name) for a while prior to her election but flounced off for some reason
Have you read Career Girls? It's probably one of the most so-bad-it's-good books I've ever read. In fact I think I read it twice for extra lolz. So much fashion and shagging. And I think there must be a bit of Topaz Rossi in all of us, amirigh? I bet Leon's a fan.
Also well done @malcolmg for tipping Buzz over another posters tips which were beaten one soundly.
Thank you Topping.
Have I missed a winning 4 legger from you, Malcolm?
I got a nice Trixie last Sunday , 11/4, 3/1 and 100/30 had forgotten to check and only noticed this morning. I got one today as well but they were all short prices.
As someone who laid Ole at 1/3 next out after the Liverpool thrashing I'm a tad tempted by the 1/8 now, but tbh it's so hard to see who would go before him and Utd have surely run out of patience. Even so, I am a tad tempted. The Sack Race is so hard to predict sometimes and those are very short odds.
Not going to join you but I can see the logic, I don't think they'll go for another season long caretaker, and there's few top coaches available now, but in the summer.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
Also well done @malcolmg for tipping Buzz over another posters tips which were beaten one soundly.
Thank you Topping.
Have I missed a winning 4 legger from you, Malcolm?
I got a nice Trixie last Sunday , 11/4, 3/1 and 100/30 had forgotten to check and only noticed this morning. I got one today as well but they were all short prices.
Are you any good at horse race betting? Or just fun?
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Ha ha. You Tories are so clueless. The only thing the Left really hates is other members of the Left. Everything else is just bantz.
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
Bootle had two in 1990 so could be high on the 'all time' list.
Can anyone beat Corby which had four different MPs between March 2010 and May 2015?
Don’t start me on Louise f***ing Bradshawe.
She was rather good wasn't she?
(And actually she was. Far better than the Long-Baileys or Burgons)
It just grates ever so slightly, when you spend weeks knocking doors for someone, when that person then decides after a couple of years that they just couldn’t be arsed to be an MP any more. Grr…..
She was viscerally loathed in Northants. Which normally wouldn't give a politician pause for thought save for the fact that she was the MP there.
So presumably not always loathed given she got elected.
No. Absolutely. But they felt she had betrayed their trust.
I thought, and I still think, that she was a good politician, and that it was a shame she retreated. I'd certainly hope that she's happy in whatever she's doing now.
Oh again absolutely. Anyone who gives it a go is a) above average intelligence determination and drive; and b) to be encouraged.
Also well done @malcolmg for tipping Buzz over another posters tips which were beaten one soundly.
Thank you Topping.
Have I missed a winning 4 legger from you, Malcolm?
I got a nice Trixie last Sunday , 11/4, 3/1 and 100/30 had forgotten to check and only noticed this morning. I got one today as well but they were all short prices.
Are you any good at horse race betting? Or just fun?
I just do it for fun , and not as much as I used to. I like the jumps but don't spend enough time on it nowadays. I keep my head above water but don't bet big.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Ha ha. You Tories are so clueless. The only thing the Left really hates is other members of the Left. Everything else is just bantz.
Banter eh? You mean like in the locker rooms of cricket clubs?
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
Bootle had two in 1990 so could be high on the 'all time' list.
Can anyone beat Corby which had four different MPs between March 2010 and May 2015?
Don’t start me on Louise f***ing Bradshawe.
She was rather good wasn't she?
(And actually she was. Far better than the Long-Baileys or Burgons)
It just grates ever so slightly, when you spend weeks knocking doors for someone, when that person then decides after a couple of years that they just couldn’t be arsed to be an MP any more. Grr…..
She was viscerally loathed in Northants. Which normally wouldn't give a politician pause for thought save for the fact that she was the MP there.
So presumably not always loathed given she got elected.
No. Absolutely. But they felt she had betrayed their trust.
I thought, and I still think, that she was a good politician, and that it was a shame she retreated. I'd certainly hope that she's happy in whatever she's doing now.
I’m not sure she was a “good politician” as being a good politician doesn’t seem to require a good brain and good ideas, and independent thought as she did but absolutely in agreement with you that it’s a shame people like her are lost to politics.
Would love to see her in a leader’s debate against a female leader of Labour with their po-faced virtue and seriousness…..
I would imagine she’s very happy and having a hoot with her husband and spending Saturday nights cavorting with Metallica, RHCP etc rather than being on PB like us!!!
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Oh FFS.
I will leave you chaps to fulminate over the cigars and go join the ladies.
No surprise from me (4 times sectioned since 2011 [3 if you don't count the "voluntary" one])
If you don’t mind me asking, do you think, with a clear head - in hindsight - sectioning was appropriate? Presumably the authorities considered you a danger to yourself - do you now think that assessment was correct?
Genuine question (and fair enough if you don’t want to discuss it publicly on a forum).
I find peoples level headed assessments of their previous mental health episodes quite interesting and useful. Often, eg, in documentaries, we get people looking back on their mental health episodes and expressing gratitude at the way they were “handled” - was that your experience?
I'll continue this on the next thread if you like - just post that again on new thread.
Hi
OK-
I gave up trying to plead my sanity to the authorties after I had a Compulsary Treatment Order given to me by a Mental Health Tribunal.
In one of the four occasions I was sectioned I admit I did have some strange thoughts in my head - but I'd already been sectioned 3 times by then.
You take good care of yourself and be kind to yourself
My family has experience of serious mental health issues, and it is so important that you do know help is available and everyone on here should be supportive
All the very best
Good luck with getting much help from NHS.
Not the best comment Malc and to be fair we have been helped over the last 30 years and successfully
OK, just thinking about this comment 'a county where they used to hold a seat:'
Is there any county where the Liberal Democrats have never won a seat?
Offhand I can think of Staffordshire and Durham.
As LDs ie since 1988 no wins in Kent.
Surely quite a few in the Scottish central belt? Midlothian in Scotland, to take just one example, was solid Labour for much further back than I can think, being a mining area, and then SNP/Labour. Or the Welsh valleys?
Indeed, if you add in Scotland and Wales then you should get a lot of extra examples, depending on exactly which set of boundaries you're counting.
Well, yes. If you count the current principal areas of Wales only four ever have returned Liberal Democrat MPs (and one was a hangover from 1987) but if you count the former counties it's a lot murkier.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
On the whole the left hate the white working class English male. They have few protectors (except perhaps Boris on a good day) but, laus deo, can look after themselves. Will that suffice?
Also well done @malcolmg for tipping Buzz over another posters tips which were beaten one soundly.
Thank you Topping.
Have I missed a winning 4 legger from you, Malcolm?
I got a nice Trixie last Sunday , 11/4, 3/1 and 100/30 had forgotten to check and only noticed this morning. I got one today as well but they were all short prices.
Are you any good at horse race betting? Or just fun?
I just do it for fun , and not as much as I used to. I like the jumps but don't spend enough time on it nowadays. I keep my head above water but don't bet big.
I almost never bet on sports. A fun few pounds here and there. I just don't have the expertise.
I do bet on politics though. I think I have some small edge, but mainly I just love the complexity and challenge of the bets. Next PM? A thousand factors.
Hope everyone's having a good weekend. Just got back from a day out in Manchester to see the Van Gogh Live exhibition in Media City; I would highly recommend it for anyone interested.
Oh and I can just say Solskjaer and Manchester United 😂😂😂😂
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Oh FFS.
I will leave you chaps to fulminate over the cigars and go join the ladies.
I’m not sure the staff get to choose which room they work!!
No surprise from me (4 times sectioned since 2011 [3 if you don't count the "voluntary" one])
If you don’t mind me asking, do you think, with a clear head - in hindsight - sectioning was appropriate? Presumably the authorities considered you a danger to yourself - do you now think that assessment was correct?
Genuine question (and fair enough if you don’t want to discuss it publicly on a forum).
I find peoples level headed assessments of their previous mental health episodes quite interesting and useful. Often, eg, in documentaries, we get people looking back on their mental health episodes and expressing gratitude at the way they were “handled” - was that your experience?
I'll continue this on the next thread if you like - just post that again on new thread.
Hi
OK-
I gave up trying to plead my sanity to the authorties after I had a Compulsary Treatment Order given to me by a Mental Health Tribunal.
In one of the four occasions I was sectioned I admit I did have some strange thoughts in my head - but I'd already been sectioned 3 times by then.
You take good care of yourself and be kind to yourself
My family has experience of serious mental health issues, and it is so important that you do know help is available and everyone on here should be supportive
All the very best
Good luck with getting much help from NHS.
Not the best comment Malc and to be fair we have been helped over the last 30 years and successfully
A good friend, in a situation that sounds quite similar to that of @ JBriskin3, was helped immensely by the NHS.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
On the whole the left hate the white working class English male. They have few protectors (except perhaps Boris on a good day) but, laus deo, can look after themselves. Will that suffice?
What utter bollox. Next you'll be trying to tell us that that this government is fighting the woar against the Establishment Elite! 😂
The health secretary has begun a review into racial bias in medical equipment amid fears that thousands of ethnic-minority patients died of Covid-19 who should have survived.
Sajid Javid is working with his American counterpart, Xavier Becerra, on introducing new international standards to ensure that medical devices have been tested on all races before they are allowed to be sold.
He has commissioned the review after research showed that oximeters, which monitor oxygen levels in the blood and are used to assess whether Covid-19 patients need lifesaving treatment, are less accurate on people with darker skin.
Fuck me. They work by shining a little blue light through your finger. The idea they might not work so well in someone with a darker skin tone than mine is hardly fucking rocket science.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
As someone who laid Ole at 1/3 next out after the Liverpool thrashing I'm a tad tempted by the 1/8 now, but tbh it's so hard to see who would go before him and Utd have surely run out of patience. Even so, I am a tad tempted. The Sack Race is so hard to predict sometimes and those are very short odds.
Board meeting 7pm to agree compensation terms according to the Times
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
Bootle had two in 1990 so could be high on the 'all time' list.
Can anyone beat Corby which had four different MPs between March 2010 and May 2015?
Don’t start me on Louise f***ing Bradshawe.
She was rather good wasn't she?
(And actually she was. Far better than the Long-Baileys or Burgons)
It just grates ever so slightly, when you spend weeks knocking doors for someone, when that person then decides after a couple of years that they just couldn’t be arsed to be an MP any more. Grr…..
She was viscerally loathed in Northants. Which normally wouldn't give a politician pause for thought save for the fact that she was the MP there.
So presumably not always loathed given she got elected.
No. Absolutely. But they felt she had betrayed their trust.
I thought, and I still think, that she was a good politician, and that it was a shame she retreated. I'd certainly hope that she's happy in whatever she's doing now.
Oh again absolutely. Anyone who gives it a go is a) above average intelligence determination and drive; and b) to be encouraged.
Just that she left an unfortunate legacy.
Didn't she go a bit QAnon over the Bataclan massacre?
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
Bootle had two in 1990 so could be high on the 'all time' list.
Can anyone beat Corby which had four different MPs between March 2010 and May 2015?
Don’t start me on Louise f***ing Bradshawe.
She was rather good wasn't she?
(And actually she was. Far better than the Long-Baileys or Burgons)
It just grates ever so slightly, when you spend weeks knocking doors for someone, when that person then decides after a couple of years that they just couldn’t be arsed to be an MP any more. Grr…..
She was viscerally loathed in Northants. Which normally wouldn't give a politician pause for thought save for the fact that she was the MP there.
So presumably not always loathed given she got elected.
No. Absolutely. But they felt she had betrayed their trust.
I thought, and I still think, that she was a good politician, and that it was a shame she retreated. I'd certainly hope that she's happy in whatever she's doing now.
I’m not sure she was a “good politician” as being a good politician doesn’t seem to require a good brain and good ideas, and independent thought as she did but absolutely in agreement with you that it’s a shame people like her are lost to politics.
Would love to see her in a leader’s debate against a female leader of Labour with their po-faced virtue and seriousness…..
I would imagine she’s very happy and having a hoot with her husband and spending Saturday nights cavorting with Metallica, RHCP etc rather than being on PB like us!!!
She had some talent, but I don't think she had the persistence to be a career politician (as her brief forays into journalism also suggest). Also seems somewhat lacking in the judgment department.
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
Bootle had two in 1990 so could be high on the 'all time' list.
Can anyone beat Corby which had four different MPs between March 2010 and May 2015?
Don’t start me on Louise f***ing Bradshawe.
She was rather good wasn't she?
(And actually she was. Far better than the Long-Baileys or Burgons)
It just grates ever so slightly, when you spend weeks knocking doors for someone, when that person then decides after a couple of years that they just couldn’t be arsed to be an MP any more. Grr…..
She was viscerally loathed in Northants. Which normally wouldn't give a politician pause for thought save for the fact that she was the MP there.
So presumably not always loathed given she got elected.
No. Absolutely. But they felt she had betrayed their trust.
I thought, and I still think, that she was a good politician, and that it was a shame she retreated. I'd certainly hope that she's happy in whatever she's doing now.
I’m not sure she was a “good politician” as being a good politician doesn’t seem to require a good brain and good ideas, and independent thought as she did but absolutely in agreement with you that it’s a shame people like her are lost to politics.
Would love to see her in a leader’s debate against a female leader of Labour with their po-faced virtue and seriousness…..
I would imagine she’s very happy and having a hoot with her husband and spending Saturday nights cavorting with Metallica, RHCP etc rather than being on PB like us!!!
She had some talent, but I don't think she had the persistence to be a career politician (as her brief forays into journalism also suggest). Also seems somewhat lacking in the judgment department.
Sadly your comment that touches on the requirements to be a career politician is correct and sums up the problem neatly - to be a career politician seems to require qualities that are actually wrong in the people who would be best to lead a country. It seems you need to be a (technical) psychopath, a liar, rhino hide skin, a sheep, unimaginative, no skeletons in cupboard or no life experience to have skeletons! In short it’s the old thing that most people who want to be politicians are the worst possible choice to be politicians.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Ha ha. You Tories are so clueless. The only thing the Left really hates is other members of the Left. Everything else is just bantz.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Bloody hell. Deep.
It's been fairly commonly observed that Israel is being critiqued in the context of being a "Western" nation, rather than a "Middle Eastern" one.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Yes, I think Israel is the only country in the Middle East that I could live in. For all its faults it is the only country in the region in which it is safe to be politically outspoken against the government, feminist, gay, transgender, atheist, Christian, Jew, Bahai or even the wrong sort of Muslim.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Also well done @malcolmg for tipping Buzz over another posters tips which were beaten one soundly.
Thank you Topping.
Have I missed a winning 4 legger from you, Malcolm?
I got a nice Trixie last Sunday , 11/4, 3/1 and 100/30 had forgotten to check and only noticed this morning. I got one today as well but they were all short prices.
Adds up though if they all come in. My fav acca bet is 5 horses into 10 trebles. It's a good low cost way of sustaining interest through a card with that chance of a big result if things click. Sense of growing excitement if say 2 of the first 3 win. Course if the first 3 lose that's not such a great scenario. You then have to lump on the last 2 as singles just in case.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Yeah sure you do.
It is possible that I know my own beliefs than you do!
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Yes, I think Israel is the only country in the Middle East that I could live in. For all its faults it is the only country in the region in which it is safe to be politically outspoken against the government, feminist, gay, transgender, atheist, Christian, Jew, Bahai or even the wrong sort of Muslim.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Here's your view.
"I thought Thangam Debbonaire quite brilliant in the debate. She is one to watch and a future Leader candidate. I do have a soft spot for Sultana, apart from the usual anti-semitic blind spot. She has quite a strong twitter and tiktok following. She is likely to be the hard left candidate in the next contest."
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
A related question: which seat has gone the longest since it’s last by-election? Are there any that have never had one? (Obviously squinting for boundary changes here)
And which mainland seat was represented by a DUP MP?
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
A related question: which seat has gone the longest since it’s last by-election? Are there any that have never had one? (Obviously squinting for boundary changes here)
And which mainland seat was represented by a DUP MP?
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
You overestimate their ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. At the moment it's "transphobes," and a jewish foxhunting apartheid enthusiast would probably slip by them completely unnoticed.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Yeah sure you do.
Can you identify one of the 27400 posts of mine that is anti-semitic? If so I am happy to retract it and apologise.
For the third day in a row this deaths graph is wrong - the numbers do not agree to the official website.
This is because it is compiled from the regional data, which has a different lag to the national level data.
Why that is, is a question I've asked of the people working on the Dashboard. The answer is apparently - "complex"
OK, many thanks!
The differences on recent days are non-trivial and differences also go back a long way.
eg The 2nd highest day on your graph is 180 on 31 Oct. The actual figure that day was 182.
The latency with which such numbers are "filled in" can be surprising.
There have been backdated changed for last year, for example. Revised causes of death.
The more you look at the numbers, the more you realise that what we are seeing is, an eventually-accurate-to-about-95% view.
When you look at the underlying issues, this becomes clear. Consider Fred. Fred was a terminal cancer patient. He contracted pneumonia and died. With a positive test for COVID. Which column do we put Fred in? Even after an autopsy, doctors may still argue...
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Yeah sure you do.
Can you identify one of the 27400 posts of mine that is anti-semitic? If so I am happy to retract it and apologise.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Here's your view.
"I thought Thangam Debbonaire quite brilliant in the debate. She is one to watch and a future Leader candidate. I do have a soft spot for Sultana, apart from the usual anti-semitic blind spot. She has quite a strong twitter and tiktok following. She is likely to be the hard left candidate in the next contest."
A soft spot for an anti-Semite.
A soft spot for her views on other subjects quite obviously. That is why I specifically excluded her anti-semitism.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
You overestimate their ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. At the moment it's "transphobes," and a jewish foxhunting apartheid enthusiast would probably slip by them completely unnoticed.
I who have though that the chances of an apartheid enthusiast not being transphobic as well pretty low.
Unless there is something about the Eugène Terre'Blanche types that I am unaware of?
Which seat (in whole or substantial) has had the most by-elections?
Good question, not really googlable. I'd say any more than 3 would be exceptional.
Bootle had two in 1990 so could be high on the 'all time' list.
Can anyone beat Corby which had four different MPs between March 2010 and May 2015?
Don’t start me on Louise f***ing Bradshawe.
She was rather good wasn't she?
(And actually she was. Far better than the Long-Baileys or Burgons)
It just grates ever so slightly, when you spend weeks knocking doors for someone, when that person then decides after a couple of years that they just couldn’t be arsed to be an MP any more. Grr…..
She was viscerally loathed in Northants. Which normally wouldn't give a politician pause for thought save for the fact that she was the MP there.
So presumably not always loathed given she got elected.
No. Absolutely. But they felt she had betrayed their trust.
I thought, and I still think, that she was a good politician, and that it was a shame she retreated. I'd certainly hope that she's happy in whatever she's doing now.
I’m not sure she was a “good politician” as being a good politician doesn’t seem to require a good brain and good ideas, and independent thought as she did but absolutely in agreement with you that it’s a shame people like her are lost to politics.
Would love to see her in a leader’s debate against a female leader of Labour with their po-faced virtue and seriousness…..
I would imagine she’s very happy and having a hoot with her husband and spending Saturday nights cavorting with Metallica, RHCP etc rather than being on PB like us!!!
She had some talent, but I don't think she had the persistence to be a career politician (as her brief forays into journalism also suggest). Also seems somewhat lacking in the judgment department.
Sadly your comment that touches on the requirements to be a career politician is correct and sums up the problem neatly - to be a career politician seems to require qualities that are actually wrong in the people who would be best to lead a country. It seems you need to be a (technical) psychopath, a liar, rhino hide skin, a sheep, unimaginative, no skeletons in cupboard or no life experience to have skeletons! In short it’s the old thing that most people who want to be politicians are the worst possible choice to be politicians.
Mensch is hardly the best illustration. She appears to have the attention span of a gnat. There's room for all sorts in politics - even dilettantes, as our current PM evidences. But if you can't endure a single Parliament, then it's not for you.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Here's your view.
"I thought Thangam Debbonaire quite brilliant in the debate. She is one to watch and a future Leader candidate. I do have a soft spot for Sultana, apart from the usual anti-semitic blind spot. She has quite a strong twitter and tiktok following. She is likely to be the hard left candidate in the next contest."
A soft spot for an anti-Semite.
A soft spot for her views on other subjects quite obviously. That is why I specifically excluded her anti-semitism.
But, as they say, substitute another ethnic group and see how that sounds.
You do not even seem to see anti Semitism as worthy of anything other than a mild tut.
The health secretary has begun a review into racial bias in medical equipment amid fears that thousands of ethnic-minority patients died of Covid-19 who should have survived.
Sajid Javid is working with his American counterpart, Xavier Becerra, on introducing new international standards to ensure that medical devices have been tested on all races before they are allowed to be sold.
He has commissioned the review after research showed that oximeters, which monitor oxygen levels in the blood and are used to assess whether Covid-19 patients need lifesaving treatment, are less accurate on people with darker skin.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
You overestimate their ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. At the moment it's "transphobes," and a jewish foxhunting apartheid enthusiast would probably slip by them completely unnoticed.
I who have though that the chances of an apartheid enthusiast not being transphobic as well pretty low.
Unless there is something about the Eugène Terre'Blanche types that I am unaware of?
I'm not sure "transphobia" is even a thing. I have never heard an anti-trans joke - plenty of anti-gay, racist ones, though. Those labelled transphobes are invariably making sensible and pedestrian points about the protection of natal women from opportunistic cis male fakers.
Also well done @malcolmg for tipping Buzz over another posters tips which were beaten one soundly.
Thank you Topping.
Have I missed a winning 4 legger from you, Malcolm?
I got a nice Trixie last Sunday , 11/4, 3/1 and 100/30 had forgotten to check and only noticed this morning. I got one today as well but they were all short prices.
Adds up though if they all come in. My fav acca bet is 5 horses into 10 trebles. It's a good low cost way of sustaining interest through a card with that chance of a big result if things click. Sense of growing excitement if say 2 of the first 3 win. Course if the first 3 lose that's not such a great scenario. You then have to lump on the last 2 as singles just in case.
I have noted This 2m 3f is the longest distance Buzz has won over, and despite good pressure from the front still found the finish.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Bloody hell. Deep.
It's been fairly commonly observed that Israel is being critiqued in the context of being a "Western" nation, rather than a "Middle Eastern" one.
For the third day in a row this deaths graph is wrong - the numbers do not agree to the official website.
This is because it is compiled from the regional data, which has a different lag to the national level data.
Why that is, is a question I've asked of the people working on the Dashboard. The answer is apparently - "complex"
OK, many thanks!
The differences on recent days are non-trivial and differences also go back a long way.
eg The 2nd highest day on your graph is 180 on 31 Oct. The actual figure that day was 182.
The latency with which such numbers are "filled in" can be surprising.
There have been backdated changed for last year, for example. Revised causes of death.
The more you look at the numbers, the more you realise that what we are seeing is, an eventually-accurate-to-about-95% view.
When you look at the underlying issues, this becomes clear. Consider Fred. Fred was a terminal cancer patient. He contracted pneumonia and died. With a positive test for COVID. Which column do we put Fred in? Even after an autopsy, doctors may still argue...
Your regional numbers all seem to be lower than the national numbers.
I think it makes most sense to look at national numbers to assess overall trend.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Here's your view.
"I thought Thangam Debbonaire quite brilliant in the debate. She is one to watch and a future Leader candidate. I do have a soft spot for Sultana, apart from the usual anti-semitic blind spot. She has quite a strong twitter and tiktok following. She is likely to be the hard left candidate in the next contest."
A soft spot for an anti-Semite.
A soft spot for her views on other subjects quite obviously. That is why I specifically excluded her anti-semitism.
But, as they say, substitute another ethnic group and see how that sounds.
You do not even seem to see anti Semitism as worthy of anything other than a mild tut.
Not at all. I don't cancel people for other forms of racism either. Nor a bunch of other prejudices including Transphobia, Islamophobia etc etc.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Bloody hell. Deep.
It's been fairly commonly observed that Israel is being critiqued in the context of being a "Western" nation, rather than a "Middle Eastern" one.
Which doesn't map to self-hatred.
If the people involved are negative nationalists, then it would.
Negative Nationalism
1. Anglophobia. Within the intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain is more or less compulsory, but it is an unfaked emotion in many cases. During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell or when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Alamein, or the number of German planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. English left-wing intellectuals did not, of course, actually want the Germans or Japanese to win the war, but many of them could not help getting a certain kick out of seeing their own country humiliated, and wanted to feel that the final victory would be due to Russia, or perhaps America, and not to Britain. In foreign politics many intellectuals follow the principle that any faction backed by Britain must be in the wrong. As a result, ‘enlightened’ opinion is quite largely a mirror-image of Conservative policy. Anglophobia is always liable to reversal, hence that fairly common spectacle, the pacifist of one war who is a bellicist in the next.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
You overestimate their ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. At the moment it's "transphobes," and a jewish foxhunting apartheid enthusiast would probably slip by them completely unnoticed.
I who have though that the chances of an apartheid enthusiast not being transphobic as well pretty low.
Unless there is something about the Eugène Terre'Blanche types that I am unaware of?
I'm not sure "transphobia" is even a thing. I have never heard an anti-trans joke - plenty of anti-gay, racist ones, though. Those labelled transphobes are invariably making sensible and pedestrian points about the protection of natal women from opportunistic cis male fakers.
There is plenty of real transphobia out there. Someone has to do all the violent hate crimes against trans people, after all.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Bloody hell. Deep.
It's been fairly commonly observed that Israel is being critiqued in the context of being a "Western" nation, rather than a "Middle Eastern" one.
Which doesn't map to self-hatred.
If the people involved are negative nationalists, then it would.
Negative Nationalism
1. Anglophobia. Within the intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain is more or less compulsory, but it is an unfaked emotion in many cases. During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell or when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Alamein, or the number of German planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. English left-wing intellectuals did not, of course, actually want the Germans or Japanese to win the war, but many of them could not help getting a certain kick out of seeing their own country humiliated, and wanted to feel that the final victory would be due to Russia, or perhaps America, and not to Britain. In foreign politics many intellectuals follow the principle that any faction backed by Britain must be in the wrong. As a result, ‘enlightened’ opinion is quite largely a mirror-image of Conservative policy. Anglophobia is always liable to reversal, hence that fairly common spectacle, the pacifist of one war who is a bellicist in the next.
It was Robert Blake who said acidly the reason that the Tories successfully portrayed Labour as unpatriotic and even traitors was because 'too many left wing people behave as a friend of every country but their own.'
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Bloody hell. Deep.
It's been fairly commonly observed that Israel is being critiqued in the context of being a "Western" nation, rather than a "Middle Eastern" one.
Which doesn't map to self-hatred.
If the people involved are negative nationalists, then it would.
Negative Nationalism
1. Anglophobia. Within the intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain is more or less compulsory, but it is an unfaked emotion in many cases. During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell or when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Alamein, or the number of German planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. English left-wing intellectuals did not, of course, actually want the Germans or Japanese to win the war, but many of them could not help getting a certain kick out of seeing their own country humiliated, and wanted to feel that the final victory would be due to Russia, or perhaps America, and not to Britain. In foreign politics many intellectuals follow the principle that any faction backed by Britain must be in the wrong. As a result, ‘enlightened’ opinion is quite largely a mirror-image of Conservative policy. Anglophobia is always liable to reversal, hence that fairly common spectacle, the pacifist of one war who is a bellicist in the next.
It was Robert Blake who said acidly the reason that the Tories successfully portrayed Labour as unpatriotic and even traitors was because 'too many left wing people behave as a friend of every country but their own.'
"Useful Idiots". Which was how the *Soviets* described their.... friends. The ones who they didn't even need to try and subvert. Because they would naturally assumed the Soviet side in any dispute with the West.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
You don't seem to have got as far as my comment at 10:03 in which I clearly consider anti-semitism as racism
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
Here's your view.
"I thought Thangam Debbonaire quite brilliant in the debate. She is one to watch and a future Leader candidate. I do have a soft spot for Sultana, apart from the usual anti-semitic blind spot. She has quite a strong twitter and tiktok following. She is likely to be the hard left candidate in the next contest."
A soft spot for an anti-Semite.
A soft spot for her views on other subjects quite obviously. That is why I specifically excluded her anti-semitism.
But, as they say, substitute another ethnic group and see how that sounds.
You do not even seem to see anti Semitism as worthy of anything other than a mild tut.
Not at all. I don't cancel people for other forms of racism either. Nor a bunch of other prejudices including Transphobia, Islamophobia etc etc.
You are very forgiving to a politician with such views but if those are your values do be it.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Oh FFS.
I will leave you chaps to fulminate over the cigars and go join the ladies.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Oh FFS.
I will leave you chaps to fulminate over the cigars and go join the ladies.
You and your gender stereotypes!
I think we've all been brandied as upper class types.
The health secretary has begun a review into racial bias in medical equipment amid fears that thousands of ethnic-minority patients died of Covid-19 who should have survived.
Sajid Javid is working with his American counterpart, Xavier Becerra, on introducing new international standards to ensure that medical devices have been tested on all races before they are allowed to be sold.
He has commissioned the review after research showed that oximeters, which monitor oxygen levels in the blood and are used to assess whether Covid-19 patients need lifesaving treatment, are less accurate on people with darker skin.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Yes, I think Israel is the only country in the Middle East that I could live in. For all its faults it is the only country in the region in which it is safe to be politically outspoken against the government, feminist, gay, transgender, atheist, Christian, Jew, Bahai or even the wrong sort of Muslim.
OK Foxy, this is what i cannot get at all with "the left". you have it bang on "it is the only country in the region in which it is safe to be politically outspoken against the government, feminist, gay, transgender, atheist, Christian, Jew, Bahai or even the wrong sort of Muslim".
so why the fuck is it that people of "the left" have such a hatred of israel? i am absolutely certain that the majority of the left who aren't hard core islamists, if they had to live under a sharia/islamic state would absolutely hate it and be the biggest victims of it. trans, gay, women who want to drive a frigging car, marry who they want.....
so they absolutely hate israel/ its apparently not because they are anti-semitic..... its some weird inbuilt bollocks.
i'm nominally a catholic, don't give a crap about religion but weirdly if i had to choose a religion and culture other than what i've grown up with it would be Judaism. close enough to Christianity with the same "moral base" but also frankly apart from pork products not overly proscriptive over life and enjoying life. drink, dance, be happy, shag beautiful women in Eilat! would you seriously live in a muslim?sharia country?
so please explain what it is that the left finds so awful about Israel? i mean if its just about occupying contested land then every country western, catholic, muslim, asian has problems if being rational.
sorry, i forgot to add, if i was a palestinian i would look at the quality of life in Israel and then the surrounding countries and choose an israeli life that allows me to follow my religion and drop the dogma immediately. seriously - israeli standard of life and freedoms or Egypt, Syria, Irag etc etc....
Also well done @malcolmg for tipping Buzz over another posters tips which were beaten one soundly.
Thank you Topping.
Have I missed a winning 4 legger from you, Malcolm?
I got a nice Trixie last Sunday , 11/4, 3/1 and 100/30 had forgotten to check and only noticed this morning. I got one today as well but they were all short prices.
Adds up though if they all come in. My fav acca bet is 5 horses into 10 trebles. It's a good low cost way of sustaining interest through a card with that chance of a big result if things click. Sense of growing excitement if say 2 of the first 3 win. Course if the first 3 lose that's not such a great scenario. You then have to lump on the last 2 as singles just in case.
I have noted This 2m 3f is the longest distance Buzz has won over, and despite good pressure from the front still found the finish.
My favourite bet is the Patent or a Lucky 15 if I'm feeling ambitious.
BUZZ won the Cesarewitch at Newmarket over two and a quarter miles last time. Today's trip was never going to be a problem on the decent ground. You could see him as a real prospect for the Stayers Hurdle (or the World Hurdle as I think it's now called) at Cheltenham if the ground is on the quick side.
I'm less convinced about him on a soft or heavy surface.
Performance of the day was A PLUS TARD at Haydock - a real marker for the Gold Cup.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
Oh FFS.
I will leave you chaps to fulminate over the cigars and go join the ladies.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including [anti-Semitism]. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments."
This after he said that it was only anti-Semitism after all.
Time to roll out David Baddiel's book again:
Jews Don’t Count is a searing look at why anti-Semitism is often seen as a lesser form of racism, with a particular focus on the political left. To be Jewish, explains Baddiel, is to be subject to the contradictory belief that “Jews are somehow both sub-human and humanity’s secret masters”. Anti-semitic tropes are everywhere – yet, he argues, few of those who consider themselves alert to racism notice, let alone care.
That's unfair. The Modern Left have nearly no one left they are allowed to express hatred of. You have to leave them *something*. Otherwise they might burst.....
The left are allowed to hate: Western culture, all traditional art forms, excellence in universities, equality before the law, private property, the family, Tories, capitalism except the Chinese sort, the concept of objectivity, each other, all western based religious culture, the House of Lords, freedom of thought, enterprise, the correspondence theory of truth, John Stuart Mill, the hereditary principle... the list is endless.
But that kind of hate has no joy in it. For your proper, visceral hate, from the dark side of the brain (the serious stuff) you need an ethnic group, really.
It's that sort of self-hatred that leads to the anti-semitism. That is, they are closer to us than the countries surrounding them, so they become a good vessel for the self-hatred described in hating western values. I don't think I've ever heard a single "criticism of israel," that can't be applied, and worse, to the islamic middle-east. Certainly, if the problem that the left might pick out in the West as sexual and gender inequality, Israel is more in line with their views on that than, say Syria, or Jordan.
Yes, I think Israel is the only country in the Middle East that I could live in. For all its faults it is the only country in the region in which it is safe to be politically outspoken against the government, feminist, gay, transgender, atheist, Christian, Jew, Bahai or even the wrong sort of Muslim.
OK Foxy, this is what i cannot get at all with "the left". you have it bang on "it is the only country in the region in which it is safe to be politically outspoken against the government, feminist, gay, transgender, atheist, Christian, Jew, Bahai or even the wrong sort of Muslim".
so why the fuck is it that people of "the left" have such a hatred of israel? i am absolutely certain that the majority of the left who aren't hard core islamists, if they had to live under a sharia/islamic state would absolutely hate it and be the biggest victims of it. trans, gay, women who want to drive a frigging car, marry who they want.....
so they absolutely hate israel/ its apparently not because they are anti-semitic..... its some weird inbuilt bollocks.
i'm nominally a catholic, don't give a crap about religion but weirdly if i had to choose a religion and culture other than what i've grown up with it would be Judaism. close enough to Christianity with the same "moral base" but also frankly apart from pork products not overly proscriptive over life and enjoying life. drink, dance, be happy, shag beautiful women in Eilat! would you seriously live in a muslim?sharia country?
so please explain what it is that the left finds so awful about Israel? i mean if its just about occupying contested land then every country western, catholic, muslim, asian has problems if being rational.
I would suggest - although actually I'm not on the political left - there is a difference between the way a country behaves inside its own borders and the way it behaves outside. And that's especially true of Israel, a beacon of democracy in its 1967 borders, and a repressive regime in the occupied territory of the West Bank and the controlled area of Gaza.
Just as slavery wasn't abolished in the British Empire for 55 years after its abolition in Britain.
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Just that she left an unfortunate legacy.
Cases up - but nearly entirely among the young and unvaccinated
Hospitalisation - down
Deaths - down
Would love to see her in a leader’s debate against a female leader of Labour with their po-faced virtue and seriousness…..
I would imagine she’s very happy and having a hoot with her husband and spending Saturday nights cavorting with Metallica, RHCP etc rather than being on PB like us!!!
I will leave you chaps to fulminate over the cigars and go join the ladies.
Bat virus was shipped to Wuhan laboratory before Covid outbreak, emails show
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/20/bat-virus-shipped-wuhan-laboratory-covid-outbreak-emails-show/
I do bet on politics though. I think I have some small edge, but mainly I just love the complexity and challenge of the bets. Next PM? A thousand factors.
Oh and I can just say Solskjaer and Manchester United 😂😂😂😂
EDIT: Jota!!
Also seems somewhat lacking in the judgment department.
"Well quite often people have blind spots on specific issues, including racism. While obviously wrong, it doesn't cancel them completely in my eyes. To restrict politics to those of some impossible standard of being perfect on all measures would make it very difficult to populate Parliaments"
And later on where I make clear that we should have no further role in the Israel/Palestine dispute at 10:35
"Not a word that I have ever encountered. Certainly sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians does spill over to anti-semitism.
Personally I think that British influence and actions in the Middle East over the last Century or so have been a litany of mistakes in which we have managed to offend all sides. We should steer clear of any further involvement."
I know that you habitually mis-represent my views on a variety of issues, but to make it perfectly clear, I consider anti-semitism as bad as any other form of racism. I just do not favour "cancelling" people, but rather rebutting their prejudices.
That's a CV worthy of an Eadronic creation.
Eh?
Why that is, is a question I've asked of the people working on the Dashboard. The answer is apparently - "complex"
If lots of people here are right the LDs remain sound value at 3/1, also with Hills. I an cautious on this one.
Football not Cricket.
The differences on recent days are non-trivial and differences also go back a long way.
eg The 2nd highest day on your graph is 180 on 31 Oct. The actual figure that day was 182.
"I thought Thangam Debbonaire quite brilliant in the debate. She is one to watch and a future Leader candidate. I do have a soft spot for Sultana, apart from the usual anti-semitic blind spot. She has quite a strong twitter and tiktok following. She is likely to be the hard left candidate in the next contest."
A soft spot for an anti-Semite.
You can't call a 2/960 market "2".
If not, your accusation is unfounded.
There have been backdated changed for last year, for example. Revised causes of death.
The more you look at the numbers, the more you realise that what we are seeing is, an eventually-accurate-to-about-95% view.
When you look at the underlying issues, this becomes clear. Consider Fred. Fred was a terminal cancer patient. He contracted pneumonia and died. With a positive test for COVID. Which column do we put Fred in? Even after an autopsy, doctors may still argue...
And Career Girls was an amusing read as I knew most of the characters
Unless there is something about the Eugène Terre'Blanche types that I am unaware of?
She appears to have the attention span of a gnat. There's room for all sorts in politics - even dilettantes, as our current PM evidences.
But if you can't endure a single Parliament, then it's not for you.
You do not even seem to see anti Semitism as worthy of anything other than a mild tut.
While I understand the sentiment, it will massively raise the cost and slow down innovation if they need to run parallel trials before selling.
A PIV (post approval) commitment to a bridging study might work but idiotic to delay approval in the first place because it doesn’t work for everyone
I think it makes most sense to look at national numbers to assess overall trend.
Negative Nationalism
1. Anglophobia. Within the intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain is more or less compulsory, but it is an unfaked emotion in many cases. During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell or when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Alamein, or the number of German planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. English left-wing intellectuals did not, of course, actually want the Germans or Japanese to win the war, but many of them could not help getting a certain kick out of seeing their own country humiliated, and wanted to feel that the final victory would be due to Russia, or perhaps America, and not to Britain. In foreign politics many intellectuals follow the principle that any faction backed by Britain must be in the wrong. As a result, ‘enlightened’ opinion is quite largely a mirror-image of Conservative policy. Anglophobia is always liable to reversal, hence that fairly common spectacle, the pacifist of one war who is a bellicist in the next.
https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/
If oximeter readings caused misdiagnosis......
so why the fuck is it that people of "the left" have such a hatred of israel? i am absolutely certain that the majority of the left who aren't hard core islamists, if they had to live under a sharia/islamic state would absolutely hate it and be the biggest victims of it. trans, gay, women who want to drive a frigging car, marry who they want.....
so they absolutely hate israel/ its apparently not because they are anti-semitic..... its some weird inbuilt bollocks.
i'm nominally a catholic, don't give a crap about religion but weirdly if i had to choose a religion and culture other than what i've grown up with it would be Judaism. close enough to Christianity with the same "moral base" but also frankly apart from pork products not overly proscriptive over life and enjoying life. drink, dance, be happy, shag beautiful women in Eilat! would you seriously live in a muslim?sharia country?
so please explain what it is that the left finds so awful about Israel? i mean if its just about occupying contested land then every country western, catholic, muslim, asian has problems if being rational.
sorry, i forgot to add, if i was a palestinian i would look at the quality of life in Israel and then the surrounding countries and choose an israeli life that allows me to follow my religion and drop the dogma immediately. seriously - israeli standard of life and freedoms or Egypt, Syria, Irag etc etc....
BUZZ won the Cesarewitch at Newmarket over two and a quarter miles last time. Today's trip was never going to be a problem on the decent ground. You could see him as a real prospect for the Stayers Hurdle (or the World Hurdle as I think it's now called) at Cheltenham if the ground is on the quick side.
I'm less convinced about him on a soft or heavy surface.
Performance of the day was A PLUS TARD at Haydock - a real marker for the Gold Cup.
Look after yourself.
Just as slavery wasn't abolished in the British Empire for 55 years after its abolition in Britain.