Mr. Jessop, is that terrorism that means we need to denounce the relevant political ideology, or terrorism that means we need to discuss anonymity on the internet?
And so far as the cricket is concerned was the match really necessary? They could have stopped it after the toss.
Could make a case the weaker side won all 3 knock out matches driven by the toss advantage. Really disappointing and hopefully rather than pretending it's fine the ICC only host tournaments in places capable of staging them with balance in future.
Exactly. This is not a suitable place for such a tournament. It must not happen again.
Re: parliamentarians and their service/utility for their constituents, check out this interesting story:
CBC.ca - How a grocery store visit highlights voters' fears that Kevin Vuong could be a lame duck MP Elected amid controversy in Toronto's Spadina–Fort York, Vuong has been facing calls to resign
For Kevin Vuong, the embattled Toronto MP facing a military investigation and calls to resign, even everyday constituency work is proving contentious.
It was a lesson a Toronto grocery store owner learned the hard way this week, after she reached out to Vuong's office to deal with a long-standing business matter involving the Canada Revenue Agency.
"I was wary of making the call," said Michelle Genttner. "But who do you call? It's a federal issue for our MP."
hat happened next highlights a concern held by many constituents in Vuong's downtown riding of Spadina–Fort York.
As a newly elected political outcast ditched by the Liberals shortly before the federal vote, they fear Vuong will be unable to get anything done in Parliament and constituents will not want to approach him for essential matters.
In the final days of the election campaign, the Toronto Star reported Vuong had been charged in 2019 with sexual assault — a single count that prosecutors later withdrew.
The Liberals asked Vuong to pause his campaign after it was made public he didn't disclose the charge during the Liberal vetting process. The party then cut ties with him two days before the election.
Vuong has denied any wrongdoing.
This week, when Vuong visited Genttner's zero-waste grocery store, Unboxed Market, she said she hadn't noticed his staffer taking pictures during the meeting — photos Vuong then posted to Twitter, with a caption that said visiting the business was "an absolute pleasure."
Angry constituents reacted swiftly.
"Unboxed, do you support Kevin Vuong?" asked one Twitter user. "I actually shop with you — and I won't be if you're backing him."
"I would not associate with him if I were you," warned another user.
Genttner was forced to issue a statement, clarifying Vuong's visit was strictly to seek "help in addressing a federal issue."
Vuong has not responded to several requests for comment from CBC News since he was elected. After the grocery store incident, he tweeted: "Our team is working ... so that Unboxed Market can focus on their business."
Following the publication of this story, Vuong added: "It's unacceptable for people upset with me to harass businesses wanting their MP to help them."
The episode illustrates how Vuong has become a "toxic" figure, said Stéphanie Chouinard, a political science professor affiliated with the Royal Military College of Canada and Queen's University, both in Kingston, Ont.
She said the incident "should make him seriously reflect on his ability to serve his constituents." . . .
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
lol. I'm not sitting here sobbing in expectation, I'm just observing that this will touch many many people
I have friends like you, almost certainly on the spectrum, who look at their emotional fellow humans with bewilderment. But these friends are the oddballs. I still love 'em dearly
Humanity needs all types. Kirk AND Spock
I think you might find there are quite a lot of us on your spectrum. You know those of us who only get sad when it is actually a friend or relative or when we hear of something shocking happening to a stranger.
The point has been made upthread, but we can never have too much Donne:
"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
lol. I'm not sitting here sobbing in expectation, I'm just observing that this will touch many many people
I have friends like you, almost certainly on the spectrum, who look at their emotional fellow humans with bewilderment. But these friends are the oddballs. I still love 'em dearly
Humanity needs all types. Kirk AND Spock
I think you might find there are quite a lot of us on your spectrum. You know those of us who only get sad when it is actually a friend or relative or when we hear of something shocking happening to a stranger.
I'm quite possibly a bit on the spectrum. I was emotionally indifferent to Diana's death. I was genuinely emotionally touched when John Peel died, but radio confers a special sort of intimacy. I was sad when Lemmy and Victoria Wood died in 2016, but in a 'oh, I admired them' way rather than anyone I would actually miss personally. But the Queen is a different kettle of fish. Obviously I don't know her personally. Nobody does. That's kind of the point. But she's the head of state. Her passing will be something we all feel.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
The problem is that in order to tackle sleaze at the root, we need to institute an electoral system that makes MPs accountable for their actions. FPTP creates safe seats for the parties and therefore for the individual MPs, but if one could vote for ones party without voting for a tainted MP who happens to be wearing the right colour rosette, then MPs would be forced to account for their personal conduct in a way that does not happen at the moment. It is very notable that the MPs with second jobs and those most involved in the current bruhaha are largely in "safe seats". It is this lack of accountability that is the root of the problem. Safe seats are as corrupt a part of FPTP as rotten boroughs were before the Great Reform act of 1832 and as subsequently ammended.
So reform must begin with a more open electoral system. If greater competition benefits the economy, why would it not be a good thing in politics? In the House of Commons we have the ultimate closed shop with the most extreme Spanish practices and which delivers huge "majorities" often regardless of how the voters actually vote. Unless this is changed then the system will continue to deliver sub par MPs and these MPs neither offer accountability for themselves nor can they themselves hold Whitehall or Downing St to account. The fact that neither the Monarchy not the House of Lords has democratic accountability (which is a deliberate feature, not a bug) means that a PM with a solid majority has untramelled power to do what they like. Again, an open electoral system would mean that Downing St would have to account for itself.
Any constitutional or political reform without reform to the voting system is a pointless distraction.
The trouble is that most of the alternative systems proposed would not make MPs more beholden to the public but instead more beholden to their parties. There are exceptions of course but they don't seem to be the ones most people in favour of electoral reform are campaigning for.
So choose the better system! NO lists, No ATV, especially since it makes it harder to elect independents, but STV does answer most of those questions, so choose that.
Yep I could just about go for STV although I don't like the multi-member idea. It allows MPs to pass the buck too easily. I was in favour of AV as it seemed the most reasonable alternative to FPTP.
Not sure what evidence there is that multi-member constituencies facilitate buck passing.
In Republic of Ireland, they seem to have the opposite effect, with TDs effectively competing with their seat mates re: constituency services - including or rather especially with those of same party.
Well they do it very effectively at local level so I see no reason to expect they will be any better at Parliamentary level.
Also no worse?
Real difference is that voter opinion is more fully reflected AND respected under STV.
Given the state of local politics in this country I must admit I struggle to see how it could be worse.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
I’ve been around here for nearly a year. Got to,say you guys take your F1 so seriously.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
lol. I'm not sitting here sobbing in expectation, I'm just observing that this will touch many many people
I have friends like you, almost certainly on the spectrum, who look at their emotional fellow humans with bewilderment. But these friends are the oddballs. I still love 'em dearly
Humanity needs all types. Kirk AND Spock
I think you might find there are quite a lot of us on your spectrum. You know those of us who only get sad when it is actually a friend or relative or when we hear of something shocking happening to a stranger.
I'm quite possibly a bit on the spectrum. I was emotionally indifferent to Diana's death. I was genuinely emotionally touched when John Peel died, but radio confers a special sort of intimacy. I was sad when Lemmy and Victoria Wood died in 2016, but in a 'oh, I admired them' way rather than anyone I would actually miss personally. But the Queen is a different kettle of fish. Obviously I don't know her personally. Nobody does. That's kind of the point. But she's the head of state. Her passing will be something we all feel.
Whatever spectrum we’re on, Leon is almost certainly at one extreme. Which doesn’t necessarily give him the most accurate perspective.
Mr. Jessop, is that terrorism that means we need to denounce the relevant political ideology, or terrorism that means we need to discuss anonymity on the internet?
Do you mean that it is terrorism where...
- It's the socially acceptable kind of terrorism, where we need to understand the motivation? - It's the unpleasant kind of terrorism where we should unambiguously condemn the terrorists, their ideology, ideography, calligraphy, entomology etc etc... and their pet tortoises?
OT once again. I did rather enjoy this interview with the Editor of Private Eye, young Mr Hislop. The first 30 seconds or so are clips from later in the interview so don't get riled about them out of context. I do think he would fit in rather well with the PB mindset.
Did they talk about him helping Andrew Wakefield spread his antivax bollocks?
No (at least not at the point I've gotten to), but he does bring up an argument which I've never really understood, about the discussion around toxic and vicious debate that arose in the wake of Sir David Amess's death, and he rather smirkingly dismissed it as 'not the place' for the true point that the killer in that instance does not appear to have been involved in or interested in debate of any kind.
I've never understood it because I don't see why there needed to be a one to one connection, and don't see what the problem is in a tragedy leading people to reflect upon a separate issue of political discourse in general. At the time it struck me as some commentators thinking to prove themselves clever and contrarian insuggesting people were missing the point of the tragedy, when I don't see why several debates cannot happen at once, and even those not directly connected can affect how people perceive the other.
Because what he is quite rightly saying is that too many politicians were using the tragedy as an excuse to drum up support for their own particular bit of authoritarian bollocks even when it was obvious it had nothing at all to do with what had happened.
He made that point, but I was not persuaded by it because I regard that as separate to people and politicians generally deciding to take that moment to discuss what is still a real issue. It doesn't matter what provoked it, it is still a real issue and why should people not discuss it at that moment, so long as the people trying to push authoritarian solutions do not coopt the debate? He's decided that because there is not a direct connection and some people spuriously made one, that it was unreasonable to talk about it.
It is certainly more nuanced than his jocular attitude as if he could not quite believe why it might come up - it trivialised the issue and acted as though people cannot bring up certain topics at certain times because some commentators thing it is not relevant enough.
What he was doing was pretending that because some people might abuse the tragedy in that way, having that debate at all was not appropriate, and that, frankly, is utter bollocks. There is nothing wrong with raising an issue just because some idiots will make stupid arguments about it.
For a man I think has a lot valid to say, and wants to be making a serious point, I find his simplification of the debate saying more about his attitude than those pushing that debate.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
More than Mark Reckless?
Honestly Mark Reckless eating a pizza with pineapple on it would only annoy me a fraction the way Max Verstappen breathing does.
If I could insert a red hot poker up the anus of Max Verstappen or Mark Reckless I'd choose the Dutch shunt every time.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
More than Mark Reckless?
Honestly Mark Reckless eating a pizza with pineapple on it would only annoy a fraction the way Max Verstappen breathing does.
If I could insert a red hot poker up the anus of Max Verstappen or Mark Reckless I'd choose the Dutch shunt every time.
14 points the lead, 78 still up for grabs. The fat lady hasn’t even started warming up the vocal chords yet.
OT once again. I did rather enjoy this interview with the Editor of Private Eye, young Mr Hislop. The first 30 seconds or so are clips from later in the interview so don't get riled about them out of context. I do think he would fit in rather well with the PB mindset.
Did they talk about him helping Andrew Wakefield spread his antivax bollocks?
No (at least not at the point I've gotten to), but he does bring up an argument which I've never really understood, about the discussion around toxic and vicious debate that arose in the wake of Sir David Amess's death, and he rather smirkingly dismissed it as 'not the place' for the true point that the killer in that instance does not appear to have been involved in or interested in debate of any kind.
I've never understood it because I don't see why there needed to be a one to one connection, and don't see what the problem is in a tragedy leading people to reflect upon a separate issue of political discourse in general. At the time it struck me as some commentators thinking to prove themselves clever and contrarian in suggesting people were missing the point of the tragedy, when I don't see why several debates cannot happen at once, and even those not directly connected can affect how people perceive the other.
Because what he is quite rightly saying is that too many politicians were using the tragedy as an excuse to drum up support for their own particular bit of authoritarian bollocks even when it was obvious it had nothing at all to do with what had happened.
He made that point, but I was not persuaded by it because I regard that as separate to people and politicians generally deciding to take that moment to discuss what is still a real issue. It doesn't matter what provoked it, it is still a real issue and why should people not discuss it at that moment, so long as the people trying to push authoritarian solutions do not coopt the debate?
It is certainly more nuanced than his jocular attitude as if he could not quite believe why it might come up - it trivialised the issue and acted as though people cannot bring up certain topics at certain times because some commentators thing it is not relevant enough.
What he was doing was pretending that because some people might abuse the tragedy in that way, having that debate at all was not appropriate, and that, frankly, is utter bollocks. There is nothing wrong with raising an issue just because some idiots will make stupid arguments about it.
He explicitly said it was a real issue that needed to be discussed and gave examples as well. he was just arguing, quite rightly, that tying it to the death of David Amess was crass and illogical. Indeed trying to co-opt the debate is exactly what the authoritarians were doing. I agree with him entirely.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
More than Mark Reckless?
Honestly Mark Reckless eating a pizza with pineapple on it would only annoy a fraction the way Max Verstappen breathing does.
If I could insert a red hot poker up the anus of Max Verstappen or Mark Reckless I'd choose the Dutch shunt every time.
14 points the lead, 78 still up for grabs. The fat lady hasn’t even started warming up the vocal chords yet.
I'm convinced that the Dutch shunt is going to win the title by doing a Schumacher 94 and that 5 point lead he got at the farce that was the Belgian Grand Prix will be the difference.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
lol. I'm not sitting here sobbing in expectation, I'm just observing that this will touch many many people
I have friends like you, almost certainly on the spectrum, who look at their emotional fellow humans with bewilderment. But these friends are the oddballs. I still love 'em dearly
Humanity needs all types. Kirk AND Spock
I think you might find there are quite a lot of us on your spectrum. You know those of us who only get sad when it is actually a friend or relative or when we hear of something shocking happening to a stranger.
Of course there are lots. But it's splitting hairs here. You've extended to something 'shocking happening to a stranger' and yet the sparking comment did not even include that caveat, indeed it was about why would someone cry for someone who was not a 'close' relative or 'close' friend, leaving out even casual friends and relatives.
No one is wrong about how they will feel or react to something, and they won't be made to feel something they do not, but Leon was saying 'humanity needs all types', and surely that was the main point? Yes he then said oddball, but it was a more open point than the initial expression of bafflement that others will feel something, it was saying some will and some won't and we need both.
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
I’ve been around here for nearly a year. Got to,say you guys take your F1 so seriously.
The F1 chat is serene and sedate compared to the discussions about pizza toppings or Die Hard not being a Christmas film.
Apologies for the diversion into politics but the Bulgarian election is about done.
The early exit polls suggest We Continue the Change (PP), the new anti-corruption grouping headed by the former finance and economy ministers has done very well and might even have outpolled Borisov's GERB-SDS electoral alliance. Both have around 24% of the vote.
Trifonov's There is Such A Nation (ITN) has collapsed as widely expected to around 10% with the Socialists on 15%, Movement of Rights and Freedoms has 11% and Democratic Bulgaria 8% and they will all get into the new National Assembly.
The Presidential election has Radev on the brink of but not quite getting 50% but a long way ahead of Gerdzhikov, the GERB candidate.
I suspect a PP-led coalition could well be the outcome with the Socialists, ITN, Movement of Rights and Freedoms and Democratic Bulgaria likely to support so the group would have a healthy majority.
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
Not enough information to categorise the type of terrorism. Which in turn categorises the media response.
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
If the other speculation is right then I suspect the TV news are preparing and focussing on London Bridge falling.
Plus there's a probably genuine WTF would a terrorist target a women's hospital?
A judge is demanding answers after it emerged a drugs gang was able to obtain a £25,000 coronavirus recovery loan from the government.
The extraordinary details came out during the trial of five men over a conspiracy to kidnap and rob an elderly businessman at Manchester Crown Court.
Gary Betts, 57, Gerard Boyle, 57, brothers John and Chris Sammon, aged 32 and 35, and Wayne Simmonds, 39, had already admitted being part of a conspiracy to supply cocaine.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
I’ve been around here for nearly a year. Got to,say you guys take your F1 so seriously.
The F1 chat is serene and sedate compared to the discussions about pizza toppings or Die Hard not being a Christmas film.
It is tough to decide which is the more inflamatory. I suggest a system where we vote and if your first choice doesn't win then your vote counts for your second choice etc.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
lol. I'm not sitting here sobbing in expectation, I'm just observing that this will touch many many people
I have friends like you, almost certainly on the spectrum, who look at their emotional fellow humans with bewilderment. But these friends are the oddballs. I still love 'em dearly
Humanity needs all types. Kirk AND Spock
I think you might find there are quite a lot of us on your spectrum. You know those of us who only get sad when it is actually a friend or relative or when we hear of something shocking happening to a stranger.
Leon, and his previous incarnations seem to be able to patronise people with autism (which is what he is alluding to) with impunity and over a long period of time
With a son struggling hard to normalise his life by working hard to overcome the effects of autism, how I laugh heartily when Leon demeans, with his hilarious little digs, my son and others who are doing their best to manage their autism.
OT once again. I did rather enjoy this interview with the Editor of Private Eye, young Mr Hislop. The first 30 seconds or so are clips from later in the interview so don't get riled about them out of context. I do think he would fit in rather well with the PB mindset.
Did they talk about him helping Andrew Wakefield spread his antivax bollocks?
No (at least not at the point I've gotten to), but he does bring up an argument which I've never really understood, about the discussion around toxic and vicious debate that arose in the wake of Sir David Amess's death, and he rather smirkingly dismissed it as 'not the place' for the true point that the killer in that instance does not appear to have been involved in or interested in debate of any kind.
I've never understood it because I don't see why there needed to be a one to one connection, and don't see what the problem is in a tragedy leading people to reflect upon a separate issue of political discourse in general. At the time it struck me as some commentators thinking to prove themselves clever and contrarian in suggesting people were missing the point of the tragedy, when I don't see why several debates cannot happen at once, and even those not directly connected can affect how people perceive the other.
Because what he is quite rightly saying is that too many politicians were using the tragedy as an excuse to drum up support for their own particular bit of authoritarian bollocks even when it was obvious it had nothing at all to do with what had happened.
He made that point, but I was not persuaded by it because I regard that as separate to people and politicians generally deciding to take that moment to discuss what is still a real issue. It doesn't matter what provoked it, it is still a real issue and why should people not discuss it at that moment, so long as the people trying to push authoritarian solutions do not coopt the debate?
It is certainly more nuanced than his jocular attitude as if he could not quite believe why it might come up - it trivialised the issue and acted as though people cannot bring up certain topics at certain times because some commentators thing it is not relevant enough.
What he was doing was pretending that because some people might abuse the tragedy in that way, having that debate at all was not appropriate, and that, frankly, is utter bollocks. There is nothing wrong with raising an issue just because some idiots will make stupid arguments about it.
He explicitly said it was a real issue that needed to be discussed and gave examples as well. he was just arguing, quite rightly, that tying it to the death of David Amess was crass and illogical. Indeed trying to co-opt the debate is exactly what the authoritarians were doing. I agree with him entirely.
That's fine - I don't. He was acting as though it was a joke, and laughed, that people might want to discuss it at that time, and I think that is crass and illogical too, since while unconnected one can reasonably lead people to reflect on the other - my answer to his point would be that you point out when people try to co-opt the debate and draw unreasonable parallels, as part of that debate. Not make a nonsensical point implying two debates can't happen at the same time because some ill intentioned people will combine them. It was not as black and white a situation as he is pretending, and he is far too bright to not know that.
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
Not enough information to categorise the type of terrorism. Which in turn categorises the media response.
A judge is demanding answers after it emerged a drugs gang was able to obtain a £25,000 coronavirus recovery loan from the government.
The extraordinary details came out during the trial of five men over a conspiracy to kidnap and rob an elderly businessman at Manchester Crown Court.
Gary Betts, 57, Gerard Boyle, 57, brothers John and Chris Sammon, aged 32 and 35, and Wayne Simmonds, 39, had already admitted being part of a conspiracy to supply cocaine.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
Why don't you read the thread and you might understand the point.
Ah, sorry, your point was a meaningless sporting event is the same as the corruption of the more-or-less most powerful nation in the world, gotcha now.
Put it this way, at a certain part of the race I actually detested Max Verstappen more than I did Donald Trump.
More than Mark Reckless?
Honestly Mark Reckless eating a pizza with pineapple on it would only annoy a fraction the way Max Verstappen breathing does.
If I could insert a red hot poker up the anus of Max Verstappen or Mark Reckless I'd choose the Dutch shunt every time.
14 points the lead, 78 still up for grabs. The fat lady hasn’t even started warming up the vocal chords yet.
I still think he'll win it - he is the better racer and has kept close enough despite winning far fewer races, and Verstappen has ridden his luck pretty hard.
A judge is demanding answers after it emerged a drugs gang was able to obtain a £25,000 coronavirus recovery loan from the government.
The extraordinary details came out during the trial of five men over a conspiracy to kidnap and rob an elderly businessman at Manchester Crown Court.
Gary Betts, 57, Gerard Boyle, 57, brothers John and Chris Sammon, aged 32 and 35, and Wayne Simmonds, 39, had already admitted being part of a conspiracy to supply cocaine.
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
Not enough information to categorise the type of terrorism. Which in turn categorises the media response.
I fear you are right.
Why do you fear that? Situation Normal.....
You surely don't want to suggest that reporting the news on a factual rather than a social positional basis is a good idea?
Sensational F1 weekend: 1. The Verstappen fine and the Hamilton qualifying DQ were absolutely correct 2. Hamilton has been utterly sensational. An almost ludicrous gulf in talent between him and the rest of the field this weekend 3. He wasn't that quick in FP1 until they made the front end set-up change he wanted. So he is spectacular on the engineering as well 4. Max and Lewis running off the track wasn't big a deal - both going flat out overcooked it. Remember that the FIA have already looked at the telemetry data showing that Max didn't pull a Schumacher. 5. Will be an amazing final three races. Pity I am away for the last two!
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
Not enough information to categorise the type of terrorism. Which in turn categorises the media response.
I fear you are right.
Why do you fear that? Situation Normal.....
You surely don't want to suggest that reporting the news on a factual rather than a social positional basis is a good idea?
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
If the dead man was a perpetrator then was it a terrorist attack, or an accident during the preparation of an attack, or gang warfare rather than terrorism? In addition, regarding the coverage, Sunday probably means there are not many journalists about, and most of those are reporting on poppies and royals.
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
Not enough information to categorise the type of terrorism. Which in turn categorises the media response.
I fear you are right.
Why do you fear that? Situation Normal.....
You surely don't want to suggest that reporting the news on a factual rather than a social positional basis is a good idea?
Gives me an excuse to post this.
South African?
I once suggested, with some small success*, that such colour charts would prove useful in deciding who was allowed to use a certain word associated with the KKK and HipHop.
*One of my best efforts. Along with the alternative suggestion to use a system based on how many grandparents came from group X... No one twigged for ages....
Interesting that there’s a terrorist attack in the UK and the TV news seems not very interested. I wonder if the deceased was one of the perpetrators? Might explain the lack of coverage.
If the dead man was a perpetrator then was it a terrorist attack, or an accident during the preparation of an attack, or gang warfare rather than terrorism? In addition, regarding the coverage, Sunday probably means there are not many journalists about, and most of those are reporting on poppies and royals.
"Three arrested under Terrorism Act" is now the main story on the BBC News website. Presumably more to follow on TV later this evening?
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
lol. I'm not sitting here sobbing in expectation, I'm just observing that this will touch many many people
I have friends like you, almost certainly on the spectrum, who look at their emotional fellow humans with bewilderment. But these friends are the oddballs. I still love 'em dearly
Humanity needs all types. Kirk AND Spock
I think you might find there are quite a lot of us on your spectrum. You know those of us who only get sad when it is actually a friend or relative or when we hear of something shocking happening to a stranger.
Leon, and his previous incarnations seem to be able to patronise people with autism (which is what he is alluding to) with impunity and over a long period of time
With a son struggling hard to normalise his life by working hard to overcome the effects of autism, how I laugh heartily when Leon demeans, with his hilarious little digs, my son and others who are doing their best to manage their autism.
Chill. I'm autistic. Not in the Ooooh, I'm feeling a bit spectrumy today, I think I'll self-diagnose sense, but having been diagnosed by a real live psychiatrist, when I thought he was just going to tell me I was depressed, like 57 psychiatrists before him.
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
Theoretically, about 5am so ready for the main TV breakfast programmes. In practice, it would be utterly astonishing if they'd both tried and succeeded in keeping the death of the monarch under wraps for that long in this day and age. I don't think we were watching King Charles III's first public engagement this morning.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
Theoretically, about 5am so ready for the main TV breakfast programmes. In practice, it would be utterly astonishing if they'd both tried and succeeded in keeping the death of the monarch under wraps for that long in this day and age. I don't think we were watching King Charles III's first public engagement this morning.
I'm not looking forward to the year-long royalist masturbate-a-thon
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
Where is this coming from? All sounds completely daft.
Sensational F1 weekend: 1. The Verstappen fine and the Hamilton qualifying DQ were absolutely correct 2. Hamilton has been utterly sensational. An almost ludicrous gulf in talent between him and the rest of the field this weekend 3. He wasn't that quick in FP1 until they made the front end set-up change he wanted. So he is spectacular on the engineering as well 4. Max and Lewis running off the track wasn't big a deal - both going flat out overcooked it. Remember that the FIA have already looked at the telemetry data showing that Max didn't pull a Schumacher. 5. Will be an amazing final three races. Pity I am away for the last two!
Your take in point 4 is a little daft I'm afraid. They didn't both overcook it. 1 driver was preparing to take the corner, and the other was making sure neither of them did.
The outside wider line is quicker and can break later, yet Max broke much later up the inside. Everyone knows what happened and why.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
lol. I'm not sitting here sobbing in expectation, I'm just observing that this will touch many many people
I have friends like you, almost certainly on the spectrum, who look at their emotional fellow humans with bewilderment. But these friends are the oddballs. I still love 'em dearly
Humanity needs all types. Kirk AND Spock
I think you might find there are quite a lot of us on your spectrum. You know those of us who only get sad when it is actually a friend or relative or when we hear of something shocking happening to a stranger.
Of course there are lots. But it's splitting hairs here. You've extended to something 'shocking happening to a stranger' and yet the sparking comment did not even include that caveat, indeed it was about why would someone cry for someone who was not a 'close' relative or 'close' friend, leaving out even casual friends and relatives.
No one is wrong about how they will feel or react to something, and they won't be made to feel something they do not, but Leon was saying 'humanity needs all types', and surely that was the main point? Yes he then said oddball, but it was a more open point than the initial expression of bafflement that others will feel something, it was saying some will and some won't and we need both.
I don't think you are right kle4. I specifically referred to being shocked by Diana's death and if a young royal were to die so I haven't slipped that in belatedly. I made it clear that one is shocked by an unexpected death. Also Leon did not start from a position of humanity needs all types. He has moved on to that from a rather more extreme position of the emotional state of the population. Not least suggesting that people of my view point are at a certain position on the spectrum. Not that I care, mainly because I am not and I am not concerned about insults, but that is rather insulting for those that are, particularly if they don't share my views and think I am a bit of a dick.
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
You really think that at all likely? I mean from wanting to delay the announcement to actually being able to?
A judge is demanding answers after it emerged a drugs gang was able to obtain a £25,000 coronavirus recovery loan from the government.
The extraordinary details came out during the trial of five men over a conspiracy to kidnap and rob an elderly businessman at Manchester Crown Court.
Gary Betts, 57, Gerard Boyle, 57, brothers John and Chris Sammon, aged 32 and 35, and Wayne Simmonds, 39, had already admitted being part of a conspiracy to supply cocaine.
There are a number of cases regarding such frauds going through the system at the moment.
In this case they had a "front" business, and used that to apply for a loan.
Similar to how some MPs (and wanna-be Lords) use their political positions and connections as a "front" for securing government COVID contracts & etc., etc.?
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
A judge is demanding answers after it emerged a drugs gang was able to obtain a £25,000 coronavirus recovery loan from the government.
The extraordinary details came out during the trial of five men over a conspiracy to kidnap and rob an elderly businessman at Manchester Crown Court.
Gary Betts, 57, Gerard Boyle, 57, brothers John and Chris Sammon, aged 32 and 35, and Wayne Simmonds, 39, had already admitted being part of a conspiracy to supply cocaine.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
You really think that at all likely? I mean from wanting to delay the announcement to actually being able to?
As I understand Operation London Bridge it is absolutely secret until it isn't. I hope she is still with us, but to answer @FrankBooth its the combination of her obvious recent health issues, the dubious "look she's driving" photo that was years old and then pulling out today with Charles literally sobbing and the others absolutely ashen.
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
You really think that at all likely? I mean from wanting to delay the announcement to actually being able to?
Charles was clearly very upset about something, but I am guessing that's because he had to tell his mother she couldn't go and she took it badly.
At the same time, there is clearly more to this than we've been told. My guess is she's had a stroke.
A judge is demanding answers after it emerged a drugs gang was able to obtain a £25,000 coronavirus recovery loan from the government.
The extraordinary details came out during the trial of five men over a conspiracy to kidnap and rob an elderly businessman at Manchester Crown Court.
Gary Betts, 57, Gerard Boyle, 57, brothers John and Chris Sammon, aged 32 and 35, and Wayne Simmonds, 39, had already admitted being part of a conspiracy to supply cocaine.
Sensational F1 weekend: 1. The Verstappen fine and the Hamilton qualifying DQ were absolutely correct 2. Hamilton has been utterly sensational. An almost ludicrous gulf in talent between him and the rest of the field this weekend 3. He wasn't that quick in FP1 until they made the front end set-up change he wanted. So he is spectacular on the engineering as well 4. Max and Lewis running off the track wasn't big a deal - both going flat out overcooked it. Remember that the FIA have already looked at the telemetry data showing that Max didn't pull a Schumacher. 5. Will be an amazing final three races. Pity I am away for the last two!
Your take in point 4 is a little daft I'm afraid. They didn't both overcook it. 1 driver was preparing to take the corner, and the other was making sure neither of them did.
The outside wider line is quicker and can break later, yet Max broke much later up the inside. Everyone knows what happened and why.
Hamilton was stupendous today. But this is racing. You go full send into the corner. Max ran long, they both went onto the run-off and back on. The pass done a few laps later.
Again, the stewards have all the data and we don't. Surely worse was Max weaving repeatedly - you absolutely cannot do that as it is dangerous.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
Well said. How long do we have to be sad for? Longer than a week, less than a year?
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
You weren't here that time we argued about who burned the most witches, were you?
Who burned the more witches, if it's a choice of two. I don't mind bigotry and torture, but I cannot abide grammatical solecisms.
It wasn't. England, Scotland and Wales is a choice of three.
OK objection withdrawn yr onner.
But at the relevant time Welsh law was English.
Still, even if one collapses E & W into E-&-W there is Ireland. No idea how they scored on the witch count. But they had some interesting folk beliefs.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
Well said. How long do we have to be sad for? Longer than a week, less than a year?
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
You weren't here that time we argued about who burned the most witches, were you?
Who burned the more witches, if it's a choice of two. I don't mind bigotry and torture, but I cannot abide grammatical solecisms.
It wasn't. England, Scotland and Wales is a choice of three.
OK objection withdrawn yr onner.
But at the relevant time Welsh law was English.
Still, even if one collapses E & W into E-&-W there is Ireland. No idea how they scored on the witch count. But they had some interesting folk beliefs.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
Well said. How long do we have to be sad for? Longer than a week, less than a year?
OK listen to Stairway to Heaven, and calibrate you reponse to about 50% of that.
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
You really think that at all likely? I mean from wanting to delay the announcement to actually being able to?
No chance. Too many people involved, including the likes of Harry, to prevent someone saying something. It’ll be announced within an hour, as soon as the family themselves have all been informed, they will have little choice in the matter.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
You weren't here that time we argued about who burned the most witches, were you?
Who burned the more witches, if it's a choice of two. I don't mind bigotry and torture, but I cannot abide grammatical solecisms.
It wasn't. England, Scotland and Wales is a choice of three.
OK objection withdrawn yr onner.
But at the relevant time Welsh law was English.
Still, even if one collapses E & W into E-&-W there is Ireland. No idea how they scored on the witch count. But they had some interesting folk beliefs.
They had no Niamh to burn witches.
I've, as it happens, just been reading the book on the Bridget Cleary affair, widely seen as a witchburning case. In 1895. Though seems much more likely to have been a case of a presumed and feared changeling.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
Well said. How long do we have to be sad for? Longer than a week, less than a year?
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
You weren't here that time we argued about who burned the most witches, were you?
Who burned the more witches, if it's a choice of two. I don't mind bigotry and torture, but I cannot abide grammatical solecisms.
It wasn't. England, Scotland and Wales is a choice of three.
OK objection withdrawn yr onner.
But at the relevant time Welsh law was English.
Still, even if one collapses E & W into E-&-W there is Ireland. No idea how they scored on the witch count. But they had some interesting folk beliefs.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
You weren't here that time we argued about who burned the most witches, were you?
Who burned the more witches, if it's a choice of two. I don't mind bigotry and torture, but I cannot abide grammatical solecisms.
It wasn't. England, Scotland and Wales is a choice of three.
OK objection withdrawn yr onner.
But at the relevant time Welsh law was English.
Still, even if one collapses E & W into E-&-W there is Ireland. No idea how they scored on the witch count. But they had some interesting folk beliefs.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
I was at Twickenham yesterday. I have never heard God Save the Queen sung by 80,000 people so powerfully - it was spine-tinglingly incredible.
It would be very sad if that turned out to be the last time God Save the Queen was heard at Tickenham.
Did they do two minutes’ silence? I was at Twickham in 2010, for the same fixture on the same date, and to see 80,000 people standing in such silence that you could have heart a pin drop was astonishing.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
What a weird comment
No, it's just boring - there was a time when posters like Martin Day and SeanT were genuinely witty and ascerbic but somewhere they lost that and just surrendered to the anti-left invective and became sad parodies of their former selves.
Are British bookies taking bets on the Queen's mortality?
No is my guess! Besides seeming unseemingly, might contravene the Treason Act of 1351. Though seems to me that a number of PBers could be indicted on this score?
Anyway, my own personal feeling is, the royal old girl still have some kick in her, and will continue to keep on kicking for the semi-foreseeable future.
Sure hope so. At least as long as her quality of life exceeds the pains of living to such a ripe old age.
All 3 knockout matches were decided at the toss - waste of time of a tournament.
It is a real problem, even though I've enjoyed the sport. How do they make it less tilted towards the toss-winner?
They must introduce some counter-balancing handicap for the team batting 2nd, or they will murder T20
Don't hold it in places with no cricketing heritage and inadequate facilitieis would be a start.
P.s. Fuck you Max & the FIA
How come you're still annoyed? He's in the lead now.
Why do people care about what Trump did, he's out of office now.
Are you new here? There are twerps still fighting over who closed the most coal mines and grammar schools.
You weren't here that time we argued about who burned the most witches, were you?
Who burned the more witches, if it's a choice of two. I don't mind bigotry and torture, but I cannot abide grammatical solecisms.
It wasn't. England, Scotland and Wales is a choice of three.
OK objection withdrawn yr onner.
But at the relevant time Welsh law was English.
Still, even if one collapses E & W into E-&-W there is Ireland. No idea how they scored on the witch count. But they had some interesting folk beliefs.
They had no Niamh to burn witches.
But the did it anyway, for fionh.
And they didn't shed a single tir.
I should hope not, nothing to be hip-hip-hooraying about.
Edit: suddenly realised that the Welsh t may be pronounced differently from the Scots - and I think Irish - t, which is more tsh - hence Tearlach = [Bonnie Prince] Charlie with the aspirated ch.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
But you don't, tho
ATHEISTS AT RISK OF DYING OUT DUE TO BELIEF IN CONTRACEPTION, STUDY CLAIMS
A soulless self-defined "meat robot" like you, has no purpose in life other than..... what? Voting Lib Dem? Getting excited by a new David Attenborough documentary?
What is the POINT in you? There is none. You are literally pointless. You don't believe in God, you don't believe in monarchy, you don't believe in an afterlife, you don't believe in a future, you don't believe in your nation, you stare into a bleak howling void every time you wake up, and you know ALL THE TIME that the atoms of your consciousness will be whirled into a doomed entropic universe of NOTHING the moment you are poisoned by asbestos, or your wife, who has been homicidally crazed by your tedious geriatric opinions, whichever comes first, shrug, etc
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
But you don't, tho
ATHEISTS AT RISK OF DYING OUT DUE TO BELIEF IN CONTRACEPTION, STUDY CLAIMS
A soulless self-defined "meat robot" like you, has no purpose in life other than..... what? Voting Lib Dem? Getting excited by a new David Attenborough documentary?
What is the POINT in you? There is none. You are literally pointless. You don't believe in God, you don't believe in monarchy, you don't believe in an afterlife, you don't believe in a future, you don't believe in your nation, you stare into a bleak howling void every time you wake up, and you know ALL THE TIME that the atoms of your consciousness will be whirled into a doomed entropic universe of NOTHING the moment you are poisoned by asbestos, or your wife, who has been homicidally crazed by your tedious geriatric opinions, whichever comes first, shrug, etc
We like to shag for fun though, God doesn't approve
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
Theoretically, about 5am so ready for the main TV breakfast programmes. In practice, it would be utterly astonishing if they'd both tried and succeeded in keeping the death of the monarch under wraps for that long in this day and age. I don't think we were watching King Charles III's first public engagement this morning.
Though that would leave the papers looking stupid and callous. And whilst I would find that very... satisfying... if I were a Windsor, I can't imagine that happening.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Byron, Shelley, Dickens and Orwell, all lefties of their day, might take issue with a lot of these.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
But you don't, tho
ATHEISTS AT RISK OF DYING OUT DUE TO BELIEF IN CONTRACEPTION, STUDY CLAIMS
A soulless self-defined "meat robot" like you, has no purpose in life other than..... what? Voting Lib Dem? Getting excited by a new David Attenborough documentary?
What is the POINT in you? There is none. You are literally pointless. You don't believe in God, you don't believe in monarchy, you don't believe in an afterlife, you don't believe in a future, you don't believe in your nation, you stare into a bleak howling void every time you wake up, and you know ALL THE TIME that the atoms of your consciousness will be whirled into a doomed entropic universe of NOTHING the moment you are poisoned by asbestos, or your wife, who has been homicidally crazed by your tedious geriatric opinions, whichever comes first, shrug, etc
I suspect you need help - if only in how to disable the CAP LOCK key.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
You won't, given a majority of every age group except 18 to 24s want to keep the monarchy (and even there fewer than half of them want a republic) as do a majority of Tory and LD voters and Remain and Leave voters and even a plurality of Labour voters.
Keeping the monarchy is one of the few issues that unites all British voters regardless of party
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
I was at Twickenham yesterday. I have never heard God Save the Queen sung by 80,000 people so powerfully - it was spine-tinglingly incredible.
It would be very sad if that turned out to be the last time God Save the Queen was heard at Tickenham.
Gosh, that's a thought, and not an entirely happy one. Not forever, of course, but given a succession that goes Charles - William - George - ?, it could be a long time.
Lol, Hamilton under investigation again. Totally unbiased.
For undoing his seatbelt?
Yes.
Leclerc had seatbelt unfastened while still racing, as opposed to the cool down celebration lap, and was not penalised fairly recently. Zero chance this can alter the result.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
But you don't, tho
ATHEISTS AT RISK OF DYING OUT DUE TO BELIEF IN CONTRACEPTION, STUDY CLAIMS
A soulless self-defined "meat robot" like you, has no purpose in life other than..... what? Voting Lib Dem? Getting excited by a new David Attenborough documentary?
What is the POINT in you? There is none. You are literally pointless. You don't believe in God, you don't believe in monarchy, you don't believe in an afterlife, you don't believe in a future, you don't believe in your nation, you stare into a bleak howling void every time you wake up, and you know ALL THE TIME that the atoms of your consciousness will be whirled into a doomed entropic universe of NOTHING the moment you are poisoned by asbestos, or your wife, who has been homicidally crazed by your tedious geriatric opinions, whichever comes first, shrug, etc
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
You won't, given a majority of every age group except 18 to 24s want to keep the monarchy (and even there fewer than half of them want a republic) as do a majority of Tory and LD voters and Remain and Leave voters and even a plurality of Labour voters.
Keeping the monarchy is one of the few issues that unites all British voters regardless of party
With regards to the other thing if it has happened. If they have delayed the announcement out of respect for Remembrance Sunday, at which time in the morning will they push the button?
Theoretically, about 5am so ready for the main TV breakfast programmes. In practice, it would be utterly astonishing if they'd both tried and succeeded in keeping the death of the monarch under wraps for that long in this day and age. I don't think we were watching King Charles III's first public engagement this morning.
Charles literally looked like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders. Anne and Edward a million miles away mentally. William a little wistful. And then they cut away to the ladies on the balcony who looked even worse.
Yes I know its Remembrance Sunday but something very very serious has happened which they were all consumed by.
Not Boris of course. Not in the loop. And was snapped looking in the opposite direction of the former PMs he was wth - at his own state funded personal photographer. What a tosser.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
But you don't, tho
ATHEISTS AT RISK OF DYING OUT DUE TO BELIEF IN CONTRACEPTION, STUDY CLAIMS
A soulless self-defined "meat robot" like you, has no purpose in life other than..... what? Voting Lib Dem? Getting excited by a new David Attenborough documentary?
What is the POINT in you? There is none. You are literally pointless. You don't believe in God, you don't believe in monarchy, you don't believe in an afterlife, you don't believe in a future, you don't believe in your nation, you stare into a bleak howling void every time you wake up, and you know ALL THE TIME that the atoms of your consciousness will be whirled into a doomed entropic universe of NOTHING the moment you are poisoned by asbestos, or your wife, who has been homicidally crazed by your tedious geriatric opinions, whichever comes first, shrug, etc
I was incorrect earlier. Should have said completely off the spectrum.
Personal notice - am now eagerly awaiting delivery of three Brit books, namely "The British General Election of 2015", "TBGE of 2017" and "TBGE of 2019".
Which will fill out my collection of this great & seminal (in a good way!) series, which started with "TBGE of 1945"
Once asked Iain Dale (when he was running Politcos bookstore & publishing) what the value of my collection might be (this was about ten years ago) IIRC he said just over a thousand quid or thereabouts.
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
lol. I'm not sitting here sobbing in expectation, I'm just observing that this will touch many many people
I have friends like you, almost certainly on the spectrum, who look at their emotional fellow humans with bewilderment. But these friends are the oddballs. I still love 'em dearly
Humanity needs all types. Kirk AND Spock
I think you might find there are quite a lot of us on your spectrum. You know those of us who only get sad when it is actually a friend or relative or when we hear of something shocking happening to a stranger.
Leon, and his previous incarnations seem to be able to patronise people with autism (which is what he is alluding to) with impunity and over a long period of time
With a son struggling hard to normalise his life by working hard to overcome the effects of autism, how I laugh heartily when Leon demeans, with his hilarious little digs, my son and others who are doing their best to manage their autism.
I have extremely close family friends who are diagnosed as People Of the Spectrum. I love them dearly. You are FAR too defensive
I never use the word "autistic" as an insult, I use it advisedly, like "blind" or "very tall" or "musically gifted" or "Boris Johnson".
There is a kind of autistic mind, over-represented on PB (because we are a self selecting group of stats and politics geeks: more likely to be autistic) and probably over-represented in politics (TMay? Gordon Brown?). Defining it and spotting it is quite important, because then you can predict how they will behave (just as it is important to spot narcissists like Blair or actual psychopaths like Hitler or charismatic oddities like Thatcher)
I don't wish to be rude to Nick Palmer but I bet he is on the spectrum, if he ever did a test. I choose him as an example of someone on the spectrum with a very satisfying career and a life he seems to enjoy. Good for him
And if we aren't allowed to call them autistic then..... what? What do we call them? If they exhibit all the characteristics and we all know it and see it? It is not an insult. It is just a descriptor
Oh dear, I just saw Catherine at the Cenotaph. And then Charles....
A week or two?
Please God no!
I've got a holiday booked in London for the end of the month.
It is vulgar and distasteful to speculate, but let's face it we are going to speculate. Charles had the same face, today, that he wore when he went to visit the DoE a few days before the old man conked out. I suspect we are very close (I hope I am wrong, ofc, not just for her sake but because it is going to be an emotional hernia for the country)
So few of us can remember what it is like when a monarch passes.
eg Do we all immediately switch to "God Save the King"? Or do we wait until Chuck is crowned, or what?
Chas becomes King the second her majesty passes.
It is automatic.
The crowning bit is largely irrelevant. Although certain oaths need to be said in order to cement it regarding upholding church of england iirc.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King
I kind of like the instant automaticity of it. But I am a monarchist
IIRC from the London Bridge plans that all major sporting events get postponed up until after the funeral.
The Rozzers will be needed elsewhere.
Presumably the funeral plans are all fairly cemented in place. Should be some good music
That's a great article, if a bit too fixated on national decline
This is an insightful passage
"In 1972, the writer Brian Masters estimated that around a third of us have dreamed about the Queen – she stands for authority and our mothers. People who are not expecting to cry will cry."
Reckon that's absolutely bang on. The Queen is Mummy. She has always been there, a fixed point in the British heavens, even hardened Republicans will be shaken, perhaps to the point of tears
A third? Bloody hell, even i have dreamed about the Queen. I'd genuinely put it at the mid 90 %s for people born here.
Yes, I've dreamed of her too. She's on the coins and stamps, she is everywhere, she is part of the national DNA, she is a constellation of meaning, emotion, memory.
A third is a vast underestimate for British people. But Masters was writing in 1972, and the Queen has grown mightily in stature and significance in the 50 years (!!) since then
I have French friends that will cry when she dies
What a load of nonsense. Of course I won't cry when the queen dies. This is lady di stuff. If you don't know her and she isn't a close relative or close friend why would you cry? People should get a grip. And as for dreaming of the queen, well I have had some weird dreams, but the queen has never been in any of them. People are odd.
People are odd. A genius insight. In this case you are the odd one
This is not Princess Di. This is the Queen. Most people will be a little sad, and maybe get a bit teary at points. Some people will be REALLY sad
I expect this is especially true for anyone over 40, who has only ever known the Queen as the head of state, a fixed lodestone, but who is also old enough to have memories of many Royal occasions from the Silver Jubilee to Di's funeral to the Cambridge and Sussex weddings
Something can be an odd thing to do and still be done by large numbers of people as we saw with Diana. People getting ridiculously emotional about someone they don't know. That is odd even if done by many. It is utterly bonkers. It is mass hysteria.
I fit that age category you describe as do most of my friends. None are going to get soppy. I would be shocked if a young royal died, as in the case of Diana, but even then no more than that, because, damn it, I didn't know her. As far as the queen is concerned she is elderly so it is never going to be a shock. It is going to happen sometime in the near future.
As I said get a grip and stop being a wimp.
I agree with that. I actually don't know one person, in all my friends and family, who is remotely interested in the Royal family. Indeed, we all tend to be a bit irritated by the never-ending coverage of various royals in the media. We just don't care. Apart from one grandmother, I don't think I've ever come across an ardent royalist. Most people I've met are indifferent, rather than hostile.
Now, when Liz dies, I don't deny there'll be a fleeting moment of sadness because, as monarchs go, if you have to have one, she's done a good job. But she's seriously old, so it's not a big deal. Diana dying was a bit different, because she was cut off in her prime - it's always sadder when someone dies prematurely.
You are a lefty. This is why lefties nearly always lose elections. You have dead souls.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
Ha ha, you're funny. Yes, I'm a leftie atheist - you've got me there. But no, I'm not a lifeless zombie.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
But you don't, tho
ATHEISTS AT RISK OF DYING OUT DUE TO BELIEF IN CONTRACEPTION, STUDY CLAIMS
A soulless self-defined "meat robot" like you, has no purpose in life other than..... what? Voting Lib Dem? Getting excited by a new David Attenborough documentary?
What is the POINT in you? There is none. You are literally pointless. You don't believe in God, you don't believe in monarchy, you don't believe in an afterlife, you don't believe in a future, you don't believe in your nation, you stare into a bleak howling void every time you wake up, and you know ALL THE TIME that the atoms of your consciousness will be whirled into a doomed entropic universe of NOTHING the moment you are poisoned by asbestos, or your wife, who has been homicidally crazed by your tedious geriatric opinions, whichever comes first, shrug, etc
We like to shag for fun though, God doesn't approve
Your delusion that there is any agency involved in you getting your wee stiffy out is touching. Bless.
So, theoretically, the time of the England South Africa match next weekend, the players could all be belting out "God Save the King"
I was at Twickenham yesterday. I have never heard God Save the Queen sung by 80,000 people so powerfully - it was spine-tinglingly incredible.
It would be very sad if that turned out to be the last time God Save the Queen was heard at Tickenham.
Gosh, that's a thought, and not an entirely happy one. Not forever, of course, but given a succession that goes Charles - William - George - ?, it could be a long time.
Beyond my lifetime that's for sure. And Her Maj may well be the last ever reigning Queen since, you know, the monarchy is on borrowed time.
My Bulgarian not up to much but PP have a solid 2.5% over GERB-SDS as the counting continues.
Kiril Petkov, the PP leader, is looking increasingly like the next Prime Minster - he seems to have the support of Democratic Bulgaria and if he can get the Socialists and ITN to support his new coalition, he should be able to get a majority.
Borisov looks the big loser - GERB-SDS have fallen below 25% and their Presidential candidate has been well beaten by Radev.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59285235
CBC.ca - How a grocery store visit highlights voters' fears that Kevin Vuong could be a lame duck MP
Elected amid controversy in Toronto's Spadina–Fort York, Vuong has been facing calls to resign
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-kevin-vuong-grocery-store-visit-1.6246454
For Kevin Vuong, the embattled Toronto MP facing a military investigation and calls to resign, even everyday constituency work is proving contentious.
It was a lesson a Toronto grocery store owner learned the hard way this week, after she reached out to Vuong's office to deal with a long-standing business matter involving the Canada Revenue Agency.
"I was wary of making the call," said Michelle Genttner. "But who do you call? It's a federal issue for our MP."
hat happened next highlights a concern held by many constituents in Vuong's downtown riding of Spadina–Fort York.
As a newly elected political outcast ditched by the Liberals shortly before the federal vote, they fear Vuong will be unable to get anything done in Parliament and constituents will not want to approach him for essential matters.
In the final days of the election campaign, the Toronto Star reported Vuong had been charged in 2019 with sexual assault — a single count that prosecutors later withdrew.
The Liberals asked Vuong to pause his campaign after it was made public he didn't disclose the charge during the Liberal vetting process. The party then cut ties with him two days before the election.
Vuong has denied any wrongdoing.
This week, when Vuong visited Genttner's zero-waste grocery store, Unboxed Market, she said she hadn't noticed his staffer taking pictures during the meeting — photos Vuong then posted to Twitter, with a caption that said visiting the business was "an absolute pleasure."
Angry constituents reacted swiftly.
"Unboxed, do you support Kevin Vuong?" asked one Twitter user. "I actually shop with you — and I won't be if you're backing him."
"I would not associate with him if I were you," warned another user.
Genttner was forced to issue a statement, clarifying Vuong's visit was strictly to seek "help in addressing a federal issue."
Vuong has not responded to several requests for comment from CBC News since he was elected. After the grocery store incident, he tweeted: "Our team is working ... so that Unboxed Market can focus on their business."
Following the publication of this story, Vuong added: "It's unacceptable for people upset with me to harass businesses wanting their MP to help them."
The episode illustrates how Vuong has become a "toxic" figure, said Stéphanie Chouinard, a political science professor affiliated with the Royal Military College of Canada and Queen's University, both in Kingston, Ont.
She said the incident "should make him seriously reflect on his ability to serve his constituents." . . .
"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."
And some deaths resonate especially.
I was emotionally indifferent to Diana's death. I was genuinely emotionally touched when John Peel died, but radio confers a special sort of intimacy. I was sad when Lemmy and Victoria Wood died in 2016, but in a 'oh, I admired them' way rather than anyone I would actually miss personally. But the Queen is a different kettle of fish. Obviously I don't know her personally. Nobody does. That's kind of the point. But she's the head of state. Her passing will be something we all feel.
Which doesn’t necessarily give him the most accurate perspective.
- It's the socially acceptable kind of terrorism, where we need to understand the motivation?
- It's the unpleasant kind of terrorism where we should unambiguously condemn the terrorists, their ideology, ideography, calligraphy, entomology etc etc... and their pet tortoises?
It is certainly more nuanced than his jocular attitude as if he could not quite believe why it might come up - it trivialised the issue and acted as though people cannot bring up certain topics at certain times because some commentators thing it is not relevant enough.
What he was doing was pretending that because some people might abuse the tragedy in that way, having that debate at all was not appropriate, and that, frankly, is utter bollocks. There is nothing wrong with raising an issue just because some idiots will make stupid arguments about it.
For a man I think has a lot valid to say, and wants to be making a serious point, I find his simplification of the debate saying more about his attitude than those pushing that debate.
If I could insert a red hot poker up the anus of Max Verstappen or Mark Reckless I'd choose the Dutch shunt every time.
No one is wrong about how they will feel or react to something, and they won't be made to feel something they do not, but Leon was saying 'humanity needs all types', and surely that was the main point? Yes he then said oddball, but it was a more open point than the initial expression of bafflement that others will feel something, it was saying some will and some won't and we need both.
Apologies for the diversion into politics but the Bulgarian election is about done.
The early exit polls suggest We Continue the Change (PP), the new anti-corruption grouping headed by the former finance and economy ministers has done very well and might even have outpolled Borisov's GERB-SDS electoral alliance. Both have around 24% of the vote.
Trifonov's There is Such A Nation (ITN) has collapsed as widely expected to around 10% with the Socialists on 15%, Movement of Rights and Freedoms has 11% and Democratic Bulgaria 8% and they will all get into the new National Assembly.
The Presidential election has Radev on the brink of but not quite getting 50% but a long way ahead of Gerdzhikov, the GERB candidate.
I suspect a PP-led coalition could well be the outcome with the Socialists, ITN, Movement of Rights and Freedoms and Democratic Bulgaria likely to support so the group would have a healthy majority.
I may be entirely wrong....
Plus there's a probably genuine WTF would a terrorist target a women's hospital?
A judge is demanding answers after it emerged a drugs gang was able to obtain a £25,000 coronavirus recovery loan from the government.
The extraordinary details came out during the trial of five men over a conspiracy to kidnap and rob an elderly businessman at Manchester Crown Court.
Gary Betts, 57, Gerard Boyle, 57, brothers John and Chris Sammon, aged 32 and 35, and Wayne Simmonds, 39, had already admitted being part of a conspiracy to supply cocaine.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/judge-demands-full-inquiry-after-22162738
With a son struggling hard to normalise his life by working hard to overcome the effects of autism, how I laugh heartily when Leon demeans, with his hilarious little digs, my son and others who are doing their best to manage their autism.
In this case they had a "front" business, and used that to apply for a loan.
You surely don't want to suggest that reporting the news on a factual rather than a social positional basis is a good idea?
1. The Verstappen fine and the Hamilton qualifying DQ were absolutely correct
2. Hamilton has been utterly sensational. An almost ludicrous gulf in talent between him and the rest of the field this weekend
3. He wasn't that quick in FP1 until they made the front end set-up change he wanted. So he is spectacular on the engineering as well
4. Max and Lewis running off the track wasn't big a deal - both going flat out overcooked it. Remember that the FIA have already looked at the telemetry data showing that Max didn't pull a Schumacher.
5. Will be an amazing final three races. Pity I am away for the last two!
I once suggested, with some small success*, that such colour charts would prove useful in deciding who was allowed to use a certain word associated with the KKK and HipHop.
*One of my best efforts. Along with the alternative suggestion to use a system based on how many grandparents came from group X... No one twigged for ages....
And I'm not that fussed by what Leon says.
You have no inner understanding of country, history, story, love, patriotism, spirit, God. I bet you are an atheist as well.
You are lifeless zombies, and the world would be better off without you
Luckily, you tend not to reproduce, as well, because you are all so fucking scared of climate change, so that's that sorted
The outside wider line is quicker and can break later, yet Max broke much later up the inside. Everyone knows what happened and why.
(BTW I voted Tory in 2019 and LEAVE in 2016)
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-34711800
Turns out that the English/Welsh poppy is ""botanically incorrect" according to Poppyscotland.
At the same time, there is clearly more to this than we've been told. My guess is she's had a stroke.
Again, the stewards have all the data and we don't. Surely worse was Max weaving repeatedly - you absolutely cannot do that as it is dangerous.
Still, even if one collapses E & W into E-&-W there is Ireland. No idea how they scored on the witch count. But they had some interesting folk beliefs.
As for your last sentence, just wrong. I've reproduced enough to have four kids. All raging atheist lefties with no interest in the royals. Three of them are busy reproducing as well now (not at this precise moment, but you know what I mean). As with Covid, our growth is exponential. So, the writing's on the wall - soon we'll outnumber the God-fearing, Queen-loving, right-wing flint knappers by a magnitude of many.
It would be very sad if that turned out to be the last time God Save the Queen was heard at Tickenham.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/1025/1085544-darkest-ireland-and-the-burning-of-bridget-cleary/
https://sirhenrybrooke.me/2017/08/04/mourning-bands-and-weepers/
https://twitter.com/WhingerSpice
No is my guess! Besides seeming unseemingly, might contravene the Treason Act of 1351. Though seems to me that a number of PBers could be indicted on this score?
Anyway, my own personal feeling is, the royal old girl still have some kick in her, and will continue to keep on kicking for the semi-foreseeable future.
Sure hope so. At least as long as her quality of life exceeds the pains of living to such a ripe old age.
Edit: suddenly realised that the Welsh t may be pronounced differently from the Scots - and I think Irish - t, which is more tsh - hence Tearlach = [Bonnie Prince] Charlie with the aspirated ch.
ATHEISTS AT RISK OF DYING OUT DUE TO BELIEF IN CONTRACEPTION, STUDY CLAIMS
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/atheists-dying-out-contraception-claims-study-a7626846.html
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/07/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/
A soulless self-defined "meat robot" like you, has no purpose in life other than..... what? Voting Lib Dem? Getting excited by a new David Attenborough documentary?
What is the POINT in you? There is none. You are literally pointless. You don't believe in God, you don't believe in monarchy, you don't believe in an afterlife, you don't believe in a future, you don't believe in your nation, you stare into a bleak howling void every time you wake up, and you know ALL THE TIME that the atoms of your consciousness will be whirled into a doomed entropic universe of NOTHING the moment you are poisoned by asbestos, or your wife, who has been homicidally crazed by your tedious geriatric opinions, whichever comes first, shrug, etc
Keeping the monarchy is one of the few issues that unites all British voters regardless of party
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/zzfjr9fmfc/Attitudes to monarchy 2021.pdf
Zero chance this can alter the result.
Haven't you shagged enough?
Yes I know its Remembrance Sunday but something very very serious has happened which they were all consumed by.
Not Boris of course. Not in the loop. And was snapped looking in the opposite direction of the former PMs he was wth - at his own state funded personal photographer. What a tosser.
Should have said completely off the spectrum.
Which will fill out my collection of this great & seminal (in a good way!) series, which started with "TBGE of 1945"
Once asked Iain Dale (when he was running Politcos bookstore & publishing) what the value of my collection might be (this was about ten years ago) IIRC he said just over a thousand quid or thereabouts.
I never use the word "autistic" as an insult, I use it advisedly, like "blind" or "very tall" or "musically gifted" or "Boris Johnson".
There is a kind of autistic mind, over-represented on PB (because we are a self selecting group of stats and politics geeks: more likely to be autistic) and probably over-represented in politics (TMay? Gordon Brown?). Defining it and spotting it is quite important, because then you can predict how they will behave (just as it is important to spot narcissists like Blair or actual psychopaths like Hitler or charismatic oddities like Thatcher)
I don't wish to be rude to Nick Palmer but I bet he is on the spectrum, if he ever did a test. I choose him as an example of someone on the spectrum with a very satisfying career and a life he seems to enjoy. Good for him
And if we aren't allowed to call them autistic then..... what? What do we call them? If they exhibit all the characteristics and we all know it and see it? It is not an insult. It is just a descriptor
Kiril Petkov, the PP leader, is looking increasingly like the next Prime Minster - he seems to have the support of Democratic Bulgaria and if he can get the Socialists and ITN to support his new coalition, he should be able to get a majority.
Borisov looks the big loser - GERB-SDS have fallen below 25% and their Presidential candidate has been well beaten by Radev.