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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,239
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  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,236

    ping said:

    Stocky said:

    23 (BF and Smarkets) is maybe a bit big for a 0-0 WH v Liverpool?

    Worth a tenner!

    I love the strange feeling of cheering on the injuries.
    Not any nore it isnt....
    If it stays like this I'll be cheesed off. I backed the nil nil in the correct score market. I usually back "no goalscorer" in the first to score market (cus own goals don't count) but didn't this time as the odds were too different.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:
    And how did Boris reply?
    The silly SNP Type actually wrote to The Met about a Sunday Times article.

    Presumably his printer had run out of green ink.
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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,961
    MattW said:

    We haven't has any vaccine production numbers for a bit.

    This is October. Chinese vaccines falling back in numbers. UK production at 9 million in Oct.




    https://globalcommissionforpostpandemicpolicy.org/covid-19-vaccine-production-to-october-31st-2021/

    Most important news is that it looks like India is about to permit exports of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, which will largely go to Africa. India produced more than 300 million vaccine doses in October, and those were almost entirely AZ, though I don't know what vaccine uptake is like in India, they may still want most of the doses for their domestic vaccine programme for a while.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kinabalu said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    Well thanks vm for that, most kind. :smile:

    But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.

    Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.

    People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
    Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.

    Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    And indeed it is normal to refer to knights as Sir Firstname, even in formal contexts.
    Indeed - A point I've been making for a while. Why doesn't Linsay Hoyle?
    My understanding is that someone is "Sir Firstname" if, without a knighthood, you'd be calling him "Mr Lastname".
    We've been debating this issue for a while.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle refers to SKS always as "Keir Starmer"

    But hey no big deal eh?
  • JBriskin3 said:
    Ironic if Major gets banged up for selling honours while Boris's hands are clean (pace Lord Zac's villa).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    And indeed it is normal to refer to knights as Sir Firstname, even in formal contexts.
    Indeed - A point I've been making for a while. Why doesn't Linsay Hoyle?
    My understanding is that someone is "Sir Firstname" if, without a knighthood, you'd be calling him "Mr Lastname".
    We've been debating this issue for a while.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle refers to SKS always as "Keir Starmer"

    But hey no big deal eh?
    Because Sir Keir has specifically asked him to.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    IshmaelZ said:

    kinabalu said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    Well thanks vm for that, most kind. :smile:

    But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.

    Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.

    People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
    Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.

    Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
    You've confused things a bit for me - are you saying Keith's last name is Sir Keir?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,860
    IshmaelZ said:

    kinabalu said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    Well thanks vm for that, most kind. :smile:

    But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.

    Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.

    People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
    Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.

    Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
    Christ is a title - as I would have thought a classicist would know. His name was Yeshua ben Yosef.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,860

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    Wow. That's an extraordinary cliff-edge in school age children.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,538
    alex_ said:

    malcolmg said:

    alex_ said:

    malcolmg said:

    ping said:

    malcolmg said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    I don't know why people think this is so hard. Just ban second jobs. If it means MPs can't do shifts in A&E that's a shame. But there's a bigger issue at stake here.

    My contract of employment forbids me from having a second job. That’s fairly normal I think.
    Does your contract also include a provision that means you have to reapply for the job at unspecified intervals, but no more than five years apart?

    Being an MP is NOT a job, it is an elected position.
    No, but that’s why they’re paid 80-odd K a year.
    Plus huge amounts of expenses and can claim anything , can employ their families , gold plated pensions and big pay offs when found out.
    The pensions aren’t anything to write home about, as per Nick P’s comment upthread.

    MP’s gold plated pensions are a myth.
    10K after just 10 years is hugely more than your average person gets, would mean pot well over 200K. Most people have a fraction of that after full working life.
    13 years. Your average person on £80k per year?

    Of course it's similarly "gold plated" but LGPS would pay £21k (9.9% contribution p.a.)
    Bollox and he was not on 80K a year far from it ( he started over 20 years ago) and stopped best part of 10 ago. so it will be much higher now. You are trying to say they would get 2% + of salary for every year , cuckoo.
    LGPS is 1/49th of average salary.
    Exceedingly rare to say the least, very very few have anything remotely like that. So as previously stated gold, platinum and diamond plated
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    edited November 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    And indeed it is normal to refer to knights as Sir Firstname, even in formal contexts.
    Indeed - A point I've been making for a while. Why doesn't Linsay Hoyle?
    My understanding is that someone is "Sir Firstname" if, without a knighthood, you'd be calling him "Mr Lastname".
    We've been debating this issue for a while.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle refers to SKS always as "Keir Starmer"

    But hey no big deal eh?
    Because Sir Keir has specifically asked him to.
    Yes we know that. My point is that it's very inapproriate for a knight of the realm who want's to be PM to want to want to be known by his pub name just as a vote grabbing exercise.

    Leader's of the Lib Dems and DUP go about things the right way. They accepted their Knighthoods so they accept being referred to by the way they should be referred.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,760
    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    @RochdalePioneers FPT

    Right, let me clarify your response.

    You would mandate mask wearing in England now. Okay. You would introduce a law that makes it illegal to visit pubs, bars, theatres, clubs and shops without a mask. That’s a very significant imposition.

    Would you then also mandate vaccination in England from today?

    ?

    Where did I say ban visiting pubs etc? They aren't banned up here or in Germany or in the rest of the world that hasn't been as daft as England in dropping the requirement to wear masks. England - like the rest of the developed world - should have maintained a mask mandate.

    You didn't. you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Politically any new restrictions will be difficult because so many people down there think its all over. Hence the need for Plan B, Plan C, "Jabbed or Christmas gets it" etc etc

    You keep asking what I think. I don't think. But I listen to what Whitty, Vallance, Van-Tam, Taylor etc think. I know nothing on this subject, I am not a doctor or a virologist or someone qualified to disagree with them. Unlike you and many on here apparently.
    Jesus Christ, Jonathan Van-Tam, the "qualified" man you revere on this issue, famously said "masks are useless, my friend in Hong Kong told me" (this despite everyone in Hong Kong wearing a mask. Odd that)

    He's a fricking idiot. You are pathetically grovelling to establishment half-wits. Grow a spine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4u3t4v8cA

    Go to 0:54

    You misunderstand RP, he wants the government to u-turn on plan b or c or masks regardless of what's actually happening on the ground. If England (and the rest of the UK) has hit herd immunity and we continue to see the current big drops in cases it will prove the UK government position was right (run hot in the summer and autumn, no restrictions) and that Europe was wrong (prevent spread, retain NPIs). In his small world the UK is always wrong and Europe always right. This would upend that as European countries head into lockdown 4 and the UK exits the pandemic entirely.

    Just look at his bluster over the supposedly failing booster programme which has now done 10m doses. The facts don't matter to him, just that the UK is always wrong and Europe always right. Weirdly he voted leave. 🤷‍♂️
    Max you are accusing RP of hating the UK and loving Europe just like you were with me. I think we can argue about stuff without resorting to people's lack of patriotism.

    Re the 3rd jab it did start as a bit of a shambles but then got turned around pretty impressively. I saw the change in action as I was on the verge of my booster when it was all wrong and with in a couple of weeks they turned it around to become a very effective experience. The 1st two were very successful throughout I thought.
    EU lovers do stick together!

    The shambles was because the NHS management decided it would take complete control of the third jab rollout rather than leave it to the same people that did the initial roll out. About two weeks ago the Saj handed it all back to the private company and as if by magic people can book appointments easily and get provisioned a month in advance of their expected eligibility. If he hadn't done that we'd be relying on letters and phone calls to get appointments. Well I wouldn't because I'm not allowed one. 😭
    I agree with your post, but just because we 'love' the EU doesn't mean we hate the UK. We don't.
    I think it does, the EU is a hostile entity to the UK, it is no longer any kind of ally to us.
    Well it doesn't because I don't hate the UK and I do like the EU. So by definition it isn't true. You really do need to stop thinking Remainers are all anti the UK. We are not. We just disagreed on leaving. Nothing more than that.
    It's similar to the "Boris haters are rooting for lots of Covid deaths and a massive recession so as to bring him down" - ie the false association of disliking British government policy with traitorously rooting against Britain and its people. Arrant smeary nonsense.
    Blimey the nerve was more than touched!

    What do you want me to call Sir Keir? I'll do it, I'm sorry. I hate to be such a bad person, you can set the rules
    You're being a touch 'hair trigger' there, isam. The 'arrant smeary nonsense' I was referencing is depressingly widespread.

    But now you mention it, yes. Let's have a post from you - and why not make it the next one - where you write 'Johnson' for the beloved and 'Starmer' for the hate object.

    Just the one, to show you can do it, then back to 'bau'.
    Listen I know you despise passive aggressive behaviour, but, as they are both playing this afternoon, just want to confirm I support Arsenal not West Ham, and am not a particular fan of Ray Winstone. Thanks for the compliment on my use of a long word yesterday too
    Yes, the Arse, with West Ham as your 2nd favs, I know. I don't forget things. And if you now say you're no fan of Winstone and in fact wouldn't like him as London Mayor instead of Khan, then I'll accept that as the truth.

    But I truly don't understand why you won't do just the one quick post using Johnson/Starmer syntax. I hate all this "Boris" and "Sir Keir" - make no bones about that - but I am able to do it. Look,

    Boris is imo more charismatic than Sir Keir. See? And I'm still alive.

    All you need to do is the opposite, type "Johnson is imo more charismatic than Starmer" and press 'post' on that. If you do, that's it, this thing is over and you won't hear another word about it, least from me.
    I am sure I have referred to them that way in the past. Have a check and get back to me!
    Ok. I guess it's possible. Let's park it for now anyway. No point in getting bogged down in trivia. There's a country in deep deep trouble and a corrupt incompetent Tory government to comment on.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,002

    MattW said:

    We haven't has any vaccine production numbers for a bit.

    This is October. Chinese vaccines falling back in numbers. UK production at 9 million in Oct.




    https://globalcommissionforpostpandemicpolicy.org/covid-19-vaccine-production-to-october-31st-2021/

    Most important news is that it looks like India is about to permit exports of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, which will largely go to Africa. India produced more than 300 million vaccine doses in October, and those were almost entirely AZ, though I don't know what vaccine uptake is like in India, they may still want most of the doses for their domestic vaccine programme for a while.
    That could significantly help Covax.

    I do wonder if vaccines are about to suffer from BIS - Boris Inattention Syndrome, whilst we should be locking in the process to develop and build a vaccine capability worldwide, linked to the UK research base.

    The approach of exporting vaccine factories, and the knowhow to create them, is far more preferable and beneficial developmentally to the alternative of building a huge factory and ex[exporting the expensive products thereof.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    JBriskin3 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    kinabalu said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    Well thanks vm for that, most kind. :smile:

    But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.

    Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.

    People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
    Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.

    Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
    You've confused things a bit for me - are you saying Keith's last name is Sir Keir?
    If you need to ask, you will never understand.

  • Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico
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    "Siri, show me what an absolutely epic fall in cases in kids would look like on a log scale." (h/t
    @alexselby1770)

    https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1457385398649425923
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,131

    Cicero said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    @RochdalePioneers FPT

    Right, let me clarify your response.

    You would mandate mask wearing in England now. Okay. You would introduce a law that makes it illegal to visit pubs, bars, theatres, clubs and shops without a mask. That’s a very significant imposition.

    Would you then also mandate vaccination in England from today?

    ?

    Where did I say ban visiting pubs etc? They aren't banned up here or in Germany or in the rest of the world that hasn't been as daft as England in dropping the requirement to wear masks. England - like the rest of the developed world - should have maintained a mask mandate.

    You didn't. you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Politically any new restrictions will be difficult because so many people down there think its all over. Hence the need for Plan B, Plan C, "Jabbed or Christmas gets it" etc etc

    You keep asking what I think. I don't think. But I listen to what Whitty, Vallance, Van-Tam, Taylor etc think. I know nothing on this subject, I am not a doctor or a virologist or someone qualified to disagree with them. Unlike you and many on here apparently.
    Jesus Christ, Jonathan Van-Tam, the "qualified" man you revere on this issue, famously said "masks are useless, my friend in Hong Kong told me" (this despite everyone in Hong Kong wearing a mask. Odd that)

    He's a fricking idiot. You are pathetically grovelling to establishment half-wits. Grow a spine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4u3t4v8cA

    Go to 0:54

    You misunderstand RP, he wants the government to u-turn on plan b or c or masks regardless of what's actually happening on the ground. If England (and the rest of the UK) has hit herd immunity and we continue to see the current big drops in cases it will prove the UK government position was right (run hot in the summer and autumn, no restrictions) and that Europe was wrong (prevent spread, retain NPIs). In his small world the UK is always wrong and Europe always right. This would upend that as European countries head into lockdown 4 and the UK exits the pandemic entirely.

    Just look at his bluster over the supposedly failing booster programme which has now done 10m doses. The facts don't matter to him, just that the UK is always wrong and Europe always right. Weirdly he voted leave. 🤷‍♂️
    Max you are accusing RP of hating the UK and loving Europe just like you were with me. I think we can argue about stuff without resorting to people's lack of patriotism.

    Re the 3rd jab it did start as a bit of a shambles but then got turned around pretty impressively. I saw the change in action as I was on the verge of my booster when it was all wrong and with in a couple of weeks they turned it around to become a very effective experience. The 1st two were very successful throughout I thought.
    EU lovers do stick together!

    The shambles was because the NHS management decided it would take complete control of the third jab rollout rather than leave it to the same people that did the initial roll out. About two weeks ago the Saj handed it all back to the private company and as if by magic people can book appointments easily and get provisioned a month in advance of their expected eligibility. If he hadn't done that we'd be relying on letters and phone calls to get appointments. Well I wouldn't because I'm not allowed one. 😭
    I agree with your post, but just because we 'love' the EU doesn't mean we hate the UK. We don't.
    I think it does, the EU is a hostile entity to the UK, it is no longer any kind of ally to us.
    In years of PB I think these are stupidest things I have ever seen actually written down. Being lectured in patriotism by a party that took 5m million quid from Russian donors; that entered into a catastophic policy that has already cost hundreds of billions, and is accelerating our economic and political decline, not reversing it. A party that has brought Parliament and politics into disrepute, humiliated the Queen with an unconstiutuional prorogation of Parliament and many other greater and lesser consittional and polical crimes.

    Shameless and mindless patriotism truly is the last refuge of the scoundrel. You imposed a bad man and a lousy PM on this country, a man who is unpicking the Union stich by stich, A Burchill who thinks he is a Churchill. For that alone the obliteration of the Tories can not come soon enough.

    You chose this, you own it and you can take the f&%king consequences.
    The simple fact is that you were not able to prevent us leaving the EU as you and many others failed to make a winning case

    This morning Starmer clearly stated he will not re join the EU and said he would consider his response if A16 was served

    Maybe make a coherent case as to how you would resolve this issue and contribute to the debate
    So from outright insult from one Tory to patronising guff from another. Disappointed in you BigG. The case for Rejoin is being made everyday we lose trade. You may not care too muich about the economic wellbeing of UK PLC, but the impact of this hard Brexit grows worse every day. You may think that Remain failed to make its case, however you overlook one critical thing:

    Leave lied.
  • JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    And indeed it is normal to refer to knights as Sir Firstname, even in formal contexts.
    Indeed - A point I've been making for a while. Why doesn't Linsay Hoyle?
    My understanding is that someone is "Sir Firstname" if, without a knighthood, you'd be calling him "Mr Lastname".
    We've been debating this issue for a while.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle refers to SKS always as "Keir Starmer"

    But hey no big deal eh?
    There's no standard form of address in the Commons (MPs can choose) so it doesn't apply.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    And indeed it is normal to refer to knights as Sir Firstname, even in formal contexts.
    Indeed - A point I've been making for a while. Why doesn't Linsay Hoyle?
    My understanding is that someone is "Sir Firstname" if, without a knighthood, you'd be calling him "Mr Lastname".
    We've been debating this issue for a while.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle refers to SKS always as "Keir Starmer"

    But hey no big deal eh?
    The Speaker asks MPs how they wish to be addressed in the House. Remember when we had 18 months of “Mr Edward Miliband”?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,760

    JBriskin3 said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

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    isam said:

    The state of play Leader Ratings wise, between Boris and Sir Keir

    Dark Blue is Boris Gross Positives, Light Blue his Net Satisfaction, and the same in Red for Sir Keir. As I have been saying, in Electoral Cycles there is ebb and flow - For a long while Sr Keir led on Net Satisfaction, then Boris was walking it, now it it is more level.

    You'd never have guessed


    I think I can explain Johnson's fluctuating net positives. Perception was, he invented and procured Covid busting vaccines that the rest of our former EU colleagues singularity and as an alliance failed so to do. There was more than a grain of truth in this statement and as the incumbent he rightly took the spoils. He needs something equally impressive to repeat the pattern. I can't imagine what that might be. I wait with bated breath. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that whatever it will be, it might come to pass.

    On the other hand Starmer is dreary, but in the near future dreary might be of the moment.
    "... in the near future dreary might be of the moment". That has been the hope all along.

    I have actually missed out the last YouGov for Sir Keir there, where he scored -40 (20/60)

    The women in Labour's Shad Cab have so much more zip and energy about them. I am amazed Labour went for an old, white, man again.
    Less of the old. He's younger than me!
    59, not that old actually I suppose. I thought he was in his early 60s
    Would have thought you'd be all over that sort of core data on your specialist subject.
    More of a hobby.

    I didn't want to get to you like this, I thought you could be quite funny at times.

    You're not a moderator are you. That wouldn't end well for me

    What more can I do than apologise for calling Boris "Boris", and Sir Keir, "Sir Keir", and leave you to police those who refer to them as "Bozo", "Shagger" "Liar" "Worzel", "Keith" etc
    Worzel works, doesn't it? But if you don't mind I'll keep referring to the PM as Johnson.
    @Kinabalu makes the rules, not me
    If only. Then I wouldn't be reduced to pleading like this.

    But c'mon, please and pretty please - just try a little "Johnson" and "Starmer" in one little post.

    What's the worst that could happen?
    No, I've decided to stick with my own words, but thanks for the offer

    Police the others who use derogatory terms by all means, I'm with you all the way
    Daily Star (Scottish edition anyway) regularly refer to Johnson as Bozo.

    George Galloway on his Sunday Youtube talk show has referred to Sir Keir as Sir Keith.

    I believe both Memes started here.
    Bozo is a very special word though, as is the phrase The Clown. If you use it, it magically transforms whatever other horseshit you write in the rest of the post to mean that Boris is proven to be not only the worst PM ever but the worst that it it is possible to be, and the government to not only be the worst there has ever been, but... etc.
    Not guilty in my case. It's 'Johnson' for me.

    Johnson Johnson Johnson Johnson.

    Says it all.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,538
    JBriskin3 said:

    Sandpit said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Sandpit said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Sandpit said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    I came here for Pakistan V Scotland talk

    And all I got was Palmer Pension talk

    You *really* want to talk about Pakistan v Scotland?

    Pak 189/4 (20 ovs), Sco 43/4 (11 ovs)

    …says it all.
    Thanks - cricket updated via PB proxy is a much more fun way of keeping updated than bbc.co.uk

    C'mon Scotland!
    65/4 now, putting on some quick runs. They’re going to run out of overs though.

    I’m not in the ground tonight, watching it on TV with everyone else!
    Yeah well I can't afford Sky Sports so I appreciate the updates :smile:

    Intel for other poor PBers like me - Mexican GP is live on Radio 5 live from 6.45.
    Text commentary at https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-men-s-t20-world-cup-2021-22-1267897/pakistan-vs-scotland-41st-match-group-2-1273752/live-cricket-score

    Scotland recovering well, but not enough time to make the runs. Pakistan will win the group now.
    And Scotland bottom behind those great cricketing nations Afganistan and Namibia...
    Typical unionist , get a backbone.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,538
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:
    And how did Boris reply?
    The silly SNP Type actually wrote to The Met about a Sunday Times article.

    Presumably his printer had run out of green ink.
    Saying Boris is SNP is a bit too far even for a bozo like you
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,072
    *This thread has been given a knighthood but doesn't want it to be mentioned*
  • IshmaelZ said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    And indeed it is normal to refer to knights as Sir Firstname, even in formal contexts.
    Indeed - A point I've been making for a while. Why doesn't Linsay Hoyle?
    My understanding is that someone is "Sir Firstname" if, without a knighthood, you'd be calling him "Mr Lastname".
    We've been debating this issue for a while.

    Sir Lindsay Hoyle refers to SKS always as "Keir Starmer"

    But hey no big deal eh?
    Because Sir Keir has specifically asked him to.
    You make it sound unique to him, rather than a standard part of the swearing-in.

    Unless he changed from Sir Keir Starmer to just Keir Starmer upon being elected LOTO, I don't see the point.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,760
    IshmaelZ said:

    kinabalu said:

    I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.

    He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.

    Well thanks vm for that, most kind. :smile:

    But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.

    Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.

    People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
    Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.

    Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
    This. 1000 times this.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    Cricket: Group stage “Super 12” now complete.

    Semi Finals:

    England will face New Zealand on November 10 in Abu Dhabi.

    Pakistan will face Australia on November 10 in Dubai.

    Final between the two winners on November 13th in Dubai.

    Any Pakistan or Australia fans around, the good news is there’s a couple of hundred tickets just released. Bad news is they’re in hospitality area and £750 each. Not for me, sadly.
  • Sandpit said:

    Cricket: Group stage “Super 12” now complete.

    Semi Finals:

    England will face New Zealand on November 10 in Abu Dhabi.

    Pakistan will face Australia on November 10 in Dubai.

    Final between the two winners on November 13th in Dubai.

    Any Pakistan or Australia fans around, the good news is there’s a couple of hundred tickets just released. Bad news is they’re in hospitality area and £750 each. Not for me, sadly.

    Surprised they've got both semis on the same day. Have you got tickets for the England Semi or the Final?
  • To make it entirely clear, I am not down because Labour isn't in Government, I am down because of other mental health issues and the bet I had placed I was just hoping might give me some temporary happiness. I am seeking help
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,377
    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    ping said:

    malcolmg said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    I don't know why people think this is so hard. Just ban second jobs. If it means MPs can't do shifts in A&E that's a shame. But there's a bigger issue at stake here.

    My contract of employment forbids me from having a second job. That’s fairly normal I think.
    Does your contract also include a provision that means you have to reapply for the job at unspecified intervals, but no more than five years apart?

    Being an MP is NOT a job, it is an elected position.
    No, but that’s why they’re paid 80-odd K a year.
    Plus huge amounts of expenses and can claim anything , can employ their families , gold plated pensions and big pay offs when found out.
    The pensions aren’t anything to write home about, as per Nick P’s comment upthread.

    MP’s gold plated pensions are a myth.
    An MP pension is astonishing, even by the standards of the most gold plated of the public sector pensions.

    Ask how much you’d have to put into a private pension, to get a £10k index-linked annuity from 13 years’ contributions?

    (NP makes very good points about having to give up a career for Parliament, if we want to find good people we do need to look at how they are rewarded for their service. The pension does reflect to some extent, the somewhat higher risk of getting fired, than for your average civil servant).
    For those in safe seats, the pensions are gold plated indeed.
    For those like Nick, who interrupted a decent career to run for Parliament, and the got turfed out, it’s a little hyperbolic to describe them as such.

    I would rather MPs receive decent remuneration than have them sell their souls to Randox et al.
    You think Paterson was driven to taking Randox's money by grinding poverty?
    No, and he has a safe seat.
    Not all MPs are Paterson, though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046

    Sandpit said:

    Cricket: Group stage “Super 12” now complete.

    Semi Finals:

    England will face New Zealand on November 10 in Abu Dhabi.

    Pakistan will face Australia on November 10 in Dubai.

    Final between the two winners on November 13th in Dubai.

    Any Pakistan or Australia fans around, the good news is there’s a couple of hundred tickets just released. Bad news is they’re in hospitality area and £750 each. Not for me, sadly.

    Surprised they've got both semis on the same day. Have you got tickets for the England Semi or the Final?
    I just checked that, and Cricinfo got it wrong.

    Eng v NZ is on 10th, Wednesday, 14:00 GMT
    Pak v Aus is on 11th, Thursday, 14:00 GMT
    Final is on 14th, Sunday, 14:00 GMT

    https://www.t20worldcup.com/fixtures/men

    Sadly no tickets for the remaining matches, unless of course anyone knows of any going spare? ;)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,688
    As an aside, it's hard not to (being cynical) conclude that the attempted change to the way MPs standards are policed was nothing to do with Paterson.

    Indeed, Paterson offered Boris cover to change the system.

    And why would the system need changing. Because there is a report coming on Boris's behaviour.

    The (mis-)calculation was that because Paterson hadn't done anything too egregious, there'd be only limited push back.
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