The state of play Leader Ratings wise, between Boris and Sir Keir
Dark Blue is Boris Gross Positives, Light Blue his Net Satisfaction, and the same in Red for Sir Keir. As I have been saying, in Electoral Cycles there is ebb and flow - For a long while Sr Keir led on Net Satisfaction, then Boris was walking it, now it it is more level.
You'd never have guessed
I think I can explain Johnson's fluctuating net positives. Perception was, he invented and procured Covid busting vaccines that the rest of our former EU colleagues singularity and as an alliance failed so to do. There was more than a grain of truth in this statement and as the incumbent he rightly took the spoils. He needs something equally impressive to repeat the pattern. I can't imagine what that might be. I wait with bated breath. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that whatever it will be, it might come to pass.
On the other hand Starmer is dreary, but in the near future dreary might be of the moment.
"... in the near future dreary might be of the moment". That has been the hope all along.
I have actually missed out the last YouGov for Sir Keir there, where he scored -40 (20/60)
The women in Labour's Shad Cab have so much more zip and energy about them. I am amazed Labour went for an old, white, man again.
Less of the old. He's younger than me!
59, not that old actually I suppose. I thought he was in his early 60s
Would have thought you'd be all over that sort of core data on your specialist subject.
More of a hobby.
I didn't want to get to you like this, I thought you could be quite funny at times.
You're not a moderator are you. That wouldn't end well for me
What more can I do than apologise for calling Boris "Boris", and Sir Keir, "Sir Keir", and leave you to police those who refer to them as "Bozo", "Shagger" "Liar" "Worzel", "Keith" etc
Worzel works, doesn't it? But if you don't mind I'll keep referring to the PM as Johnson.
If only. Then I wouldn't be reduced to pleading like this.
But c'mon, please and pretty please - just try a little "Johnson" and "Starmer" in one little post.
What's the worst that could happen?
No, I've decided to stick with my own words, but thanks for the offer
Police the others who use derogatory terms by all means, I'm with you all the way
Daily Star (Scottish edition anyway) regularly refer to Johnson as Bozo.
George Galloway on his Sunday Youtube talk show has referred to Sir Keir as Sir Keith.
I believe both Memes started here.
Bozo is a very special word though, as is the phrase The Clown. If you use it, it magically transforms whatever other horseshit you write in the rest of the post to mean that Boris is proven to be not only the worst PM ever but the worst that it it is possible to be, and the government to not only be the worst there has ever been, but... etc.
The state of play Leader Ratings wise, between Boris and Sir Keir
Dark Blue is Boris Gross Positives, Light Blue his Net Satisfaction, and the same in Red for Sir Keir. As I have been saying, in Electoral Cycles there is ebb and flow - For a long while Sr Keir led on Net Satisfaction, then Boris was walking it, now it it is more level.
You'd never have guessed
I think I can explain Johnson's fluctuating net positives. Perception was, he invented and procured Covid busting vaccines that the rest of our former EU colleagues singularity and as an alliance failed so to do. There was more than a grain of truth in this statement and as the incumbent he rightly took the spoils. He needs something equally impressive to repeat the pattern. I can't imagine what that might be. I wait with bated breath. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that whatever it will be, it might come to pass.
On the other hand Starmer is dreary, but in the near future dreary might be of the moment.
"... in the near future dreary might be of the moment". That has been the hope all along.
I have actually missed out the last YouGov for Sir Keir there, where he scored -40 (20/60)
The women in Labour's Shad Cab have so much more zip and energy about them. I am amazed Labour went for an old, white, man again.
Less of the old. He's younger than me!
59, not that old actually I suppose. I thought he was in his early 60s
Would have thought you'd be all over that sort of core data on your specialist subject.
More of a hobby.
I didn't want to get to you like this, I thought you could be quite funny at times.
You're not a moderator are you. That wouldn't end well for me
What more can I do than apologise for calling Boris "Boris", and Sir Keir, "Sir Keir", and leave you to police those who refer to them as "Bozo", "Shagger" "Liar" "Worzel", "Keith" etc
Worzel works, doesn't it? But if you don't mind I'll keep referring to the PM as Johnson.
If only. Then I wouldn't be reduced to pleading like this.
But c'mon, please and pretty please - just try a little "Johnson" and "Starmer" in one little post.
What's the worst that could happen?
No, I've decided to stick with my own words, but thanks for the offer
Police the others who use derogatory terms by all means, I'm with you all the way
Daily Star (Scottish edition anyway) regularly refer to Johnson as Bozo.
George Galloway on his Sunday Youtube talk show has referred to Sir Keir as Sir Keith.
I believe both Memes started here.
Bozo is a very special word though, as is the phrase The Clown. If you use it, it magically transforms whatever other horseshit you write in the rest of the post to mean that Boris is proven to be not only the worst PM ever but the worst that it it is possible to be, and the government to not only be the worst there has ever been, but... etc.
I disagree - it's just a very successful PB Meme - that's how I use it anyway.
7 day avg for kids cases now lower than it was on September 6th, & down 49% from its peak. I guess that's the reason they've just started masking loads of kids, cancelling their schools discoes, nativity plays, etc?
If this is occurring (and I have no reason to doubt Lilico, although I suspect his evidence is largely anecdotal), it is scandalous. At some stage, the DfE will surely be asked to step in: my sense is that nobody is sense-checking LEAs. Perhaps @ydoethur can illuminate us, as I believe he teaches just this side of Offa’s Dyke?
I do teach this side of Offa's Dyke, yes. LEAs have been pushing for a return to masking and bubbles, but whether that is coming straight from them or the DfE I don't know.
Contrary to what you believe, it was the DfE that was causing the majority of these issues last year, although they preferred to let LEAs get the blame. Equally, it's easy to get carried away and have silly ideas from the top 'normalised' so you try to do them without waiting for orders.
As for 'sense' and 'DfE' the only way those go in the same sentence is when 'non' is tacked in front of 'sense.'
The "anecdotal" stories suggest it's being driven by local DoPHs, not DfE.
Entirely possible.
I think too many otherwise unemployable jobsworths have got a little too fond of the taste of power Covid gave them. They're making decisions to feel they are in control rather than because they would be of benefit.
And that could certainly apply to the DoPH in the average LA as it does to the DfE.
The state of play Leader Ratings wise, between Boris and Sir Keir
Dark Blue is Boris Gross Positives, Light Blue his Net Satisfaction, and the same in Red for Sir Keir. As I have been saying, in Electoral Cycles there is ebb and flow - For a long while Sr Keir led on Net Satisfaction, then Boris was walking it, now it it is more level.
You'd never have guessed
I think I can explain Johnson's fluctuating net positives. Perception was, he invented and procured Covid busting vaccines that the rest of our former EU colleagues singularity and as an alliance failed so to do. There was more than a grain of truth in this statement and as the incumbent he rightly took the spoils. He needs something equally impressive to repeat the pattern. I can't imagine what that might be. I wait with bated breath. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that whatever it will be, it might come to pass.
On the other hand Starmer is dreary, but in the near future dreary might be of the moment.
"... in the near future dreary might be of the moment". That has been the hope all along.
I have actually missed out the last YouGov for Sir Keir there, where he scored -40 (20/60)
The women in Labour's Shad Cab have so much more zip and energy about them. I am amazed Labour went for an old, white, man again.
Less of the old. He's younger than me!
59, not that old actually I suppose. I thought he was in his early 60s
Would have thought you'd be all over that sort of core data on your specialist subject.
More of a hobby.
I didn't want to get to you like this, I thought you could be quite funny at times.
You're not a moderator are you. That wouldn't end well for me
What more can I do than apologise for calling Boris "Boris", and Sir Keir, "Sir Keir", and leave you to police those who refer to them as "Bozo", "Shagger" "Liar" "Worzel", "Keith" etc
When I fall out of your good books you always say I "used to be quite funny at times", like I'm some aging mid-rank comic now scrubbing around in panto. Such a sad and pathetic vibe, that creates!
The state of play Leader Ratings wise, between Boris and Sir Keir
Dark Blue is Boris Gross Positives, Light Blue his Net Satisfaction, and the same in Red for Sir Keir. As I have been saying, in Electoral Cycles there is ebb and flow - For a long while Sr Keir led on Net Satisfaction, then Boris was walking it, now it it is more level.
You'd never have guessed
I think I can explain Johnson's fluctuating net positives. Perception was, he invented and procured Covid busting vaccines that the rest of our former EU colleagues singularity and as an alliance failed so to do. There was more than a grain of truth in this statement and as the incumbent he rightly took the spoils. He needs something equally impressive to repeat the pattern. I can't imagine what that might be. I wait with bated breath. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that whatever it will be, it might come to pass.
On the other hand Starmer is dreary, but in the near future dreary might be of the moment.
"... in the near future dreary might be of the moment". That has been the hope all along.
I have actually missed out the last YouGov for Sir Keir there, where he scored -40 (20/60)
The women in Labour's Shad Cab have so much more zip and energy about them. I am amazed Labour went for an old, white, man again.
Less of the old. He's younger than me!
59, not that old actually I suppose. I thought he was in his early 60s
Would have thought you'd be all over that sort of core data on your specialist subject.
More of a hobby.
I didn't want to get to you like this, I thought you could be quite funny at times.
You're not a moderator are you. That wouldn't end well for me
What more can I do than apologise for calling Boris "Boris", and Sir Keir, "Sir Keir", and leave you to police those who refer to them as "Bozo", "Shagger" "Liar" "Worzel", "Keith" etc
When I fall out of your good books you always say I "used to be funny at times", like I'm some aging comic now scrubbing around in panto. Such a sad and pathetic vibe, that creates!
The state of play Leader Ratings wise, between Boris and Sir Keir
Dark Blue is Boris Gross Positives, Light Blue his Net Satisfaction, and the same in Red for Sir Keir. As I have been saying, in Electoral Cycles there is ebb and flow - For a long while Sr Keir led on Net Satisfaction, then Boris was walking it, now it it is more level.
You'd never have guessed
I think I can explain Johnson's fluctuating net positives. Perception was, he invented and procured Covid busting vaccines that the rest of our former EU colleagues singularity and as an alliance failed so to do. There was more than a grain of truth in this statement and as the incumbent he rightly took the spoils. He needs something equally impressive to repeat the pattern. I can't imagine what that might be. I wait with bated breath. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that whatever it will be, it might come to pass.
On the other hand Starmer is dreary, but in the near future dreary might be of the moment.
"... in the near future dreary might be of the moment". That has been the hope all along.
I have actually missed out the last YouGov for Sir Keir there, where he scored -40 (20/60)
The women in Labour's Shad Cab have so much more zip and energy about them. I am amazed Labour went for an old, white, man again.
Less of the old. He's younger than me!
59, not that old actually I suppose. I thought he was in his early 60s
Would have thought you'd be all over that sort of core data on your specialist subject.
More of a hobby.
I didn't want to get to you like this, I thought you could be quite funny at times.
You're not a moderator are you. That wouldn't end well for me
What more can I do than apologise for calling Boris "Boris", and Sir Keir, "Sir Keir", and leave you to police those who refer to them as "Bozo", "Shagger" "Liar" "Worzel", "Keith" etc
When I fall out of your good books you always say I "used to be funny at times", like I'm some aging comic now scrubbing around in panto. Such a sad and pathetic vibe, that creates!
Surely the correct course of action, as I have suggested many times, is just to settle on the fact that Boris is really just A Johnson?
The state of play Leader Ratings wise, between Boris and Sir Keir
Dark Blue is Boris Gross Positives, Light Blue his Net Satisfaction, and the same in Red for Sir Keir. As I have been saying, in Electoral Cycles there is ebb and flow - For a long while Sr Keir led on Net Satisfaction, then Boris was walking it, now it it is more level.
You'd never have guessed
I think I can explain Johnson's fluctuating net positives. Perception was, he invented and procured Covid busting vaccines that the rest of our former EU colleagues singularity and as an alliance failed so to do. There was more than a grain of truth in this statement and as the incumbent he rightly took the spoils. He needs something equally impressive to repeat the pattern. I can't imagine what that might be. I wait with bated breath. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that whatever it will be, it might come to pass.
On the other hand Starmer is dreary, but in the near future dreary might be of the moment.
"... in the near future dreary might be of the moment". That has been the hope all along.
I have actually missed out the last YouGov for Sir Keir there, where he scored -40 (20/60)
The women in Labour's Shad Cab have so much more zip and energy about them. I am amazed Labour went for an old, white, man again.
Less of the old. He's younger than me!
59, not that old actually I suppose. I thought he was in his early 60s
Would have thought you'd be all over that sort of core data on your specialist subject.
More of a hobby.
I didn't want to get to you like this, I thought you could be quite funny at times.
You're not a moderator are you. That wouldn't end well for me
What more can I do than apologise for calling Boris "Boris", and Sir Keir, "Sir Keir", and leave you to police those who refer to them as "Bozo", "Shagger" "Liar" "Worzel", "Keith" etc
When I fall out of your good books you always say I "used to be quite funny at times", like I'm some aging mid-rank comic now scrubbing around in panto. Such a sad and pathetic vibe, that creates!
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 16m I don't know why people think this is so hard. Just ban second jobs. If it means MPs can't do shifts in A&E that's a shame. But there's a bigger issue at stake here.
My contract of employment forbids me from having a second job. That’s fairly normal I think.
Does your contract also include a provision that means you have to reapply for the job at unspecified intervals, but no more than five years apart?
Being an MP is NOT a job, it is an elected position.
No, but that’s why they’re paid 80-odd K a year.
Plus huge amounts of expenses and can claim anything , can employ their families , gold plated pensions and big pay offs when found out.
The pensions aren’t anything to write home about, as per Nick P’s comment upthread.
MP’s gold plated pensions are a myth.
An MP pension is astonishing, even by the standards of the most gold plated of the public sector pensions.
Ask how much you’d have to put into a private pension, to get a £10k index-linked annuity from 13 years’ contributions?
(NP makes very good points about having to give up a career for Parliament, if we want to find good people we do need to look at how they are rewarded for their service. The pension does reflect to some extent, the somewhat higher risk of getting fired, than for your average civil servant).
For those in safe seats, the pensions are gold plated indeed. For those like Nick, who interrupted a decent career to run for Parliament, and the got turfed out, it’s a little hyperbolic to describe them as such.
I would rather MPs receive decent remuneration than have them sell their souls to Randox et al.
You think Paterson was driven to taking Randox's money by grinding poverty?
7 day avg for kids cases now lower than it was on September 6th, & down 49% from its peak. I guess that's the reason they've just started masking loads of kids, cancelling their schools discoes, nativity plays, etc?
If this is occurring (and I have no reason to doubt Lilico, although I suspect his evidence is largely anecdotal), it is scandalous. At some stage, the DfE will surely be asked to step in: my sense is that nobody is sense-checking LEAs. Perhaps @ydoethur can illuminate us, as I believe he teaches just this side of Offa’s Dyke?
I do teach this side of Offa's Dyke, yes. LEAs have been pushing for a return to masking and bubbles, but whether that is coming straight from them or the DfE I don't know.
Contrary to what you believe, it was the DfE that was causing the majority of these issues last year, although they preferred to let LEAs get the blame. Equally, it's easy to get carried away and have silly ideas from the top 'normalised' so you try to do them without waiting for orders.
As for 'sense' and 'DfE' the only way those go in the same sentence is when 'non' is tacked in front of 'sense.'
The "anecdotal" stories suggest it's being driven by local DoPHs, not DfE.
Entirely possible.
I think too many otherwise unemployable jobsworths have got a little too fond of the taste of power Covid gave them. They're making decisions to feel they are in control rather than because they would be of benefit.
And that could certainly apply to the DoPH in the average LA as it does to the DfE.
"otherwise unemployable jobsworths"
Hmmm
Do you mean to suggest that you have observed, or have peer reviewed data on, "employable jobsworths"?
If so, that is Nobel Prize level stuff - that's like observing Dark Matter.
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7 day avg for kids cases now lower than it was on September 6th, & down 49% from its peak. I guess that's the reason they've just started masking loads of kids, cancelling their schools discoes, nativity plays, etc?
If this is occurring (and I have no reason to doubt Lilico, although I suspect his evidence is largely anecdotal), it is scandalous. At some stage, the DfE will surely be asked to step in: my sense is that nobody is sense-checking LEAs. Perhaps @ydoethur can illuminate us, as I believe he teaches just this side of Offa’s Dyke?
I do teach this side of Offa's Dyke, yes. LEAs have been pushing for a return to masking and bubbles, but whether that is coming straight from them or the DfE I don't know.
Contrary to what you believe, it was the DfE that was causing the majority of these issues last year, although they preferred to let LEAs get the blame. Equally, it's easy to get carried away and have silly ideas from the top 'normalised' so you try to do them without waiting for orders.
As for 'sense' and 'DfE' the only way those go in the same sentence is when 'non' is tacked in front of 'sense.'
The "anecdotal" stories suggest it's being driven by local DoPHs, not DfE.
Entirely possible.
I think too many otherwise unemployable jobsworths have got a little too fond of the taste of power Covid gave them. They're making decisions to feel they are in control rather than because they would be of benefit.
And that could certainly apply to the DoPH in the average LA as it does to the DfE.
"otherwise unemployable jobsworths"
Hmmm
Do you mean to suggest that you have observed, or have peer reviewed data on, "employable jobsworths"?
If so, that is Nobel Prize level stuff - that's like observing Dark Matter.
Well, by definition these particular jobsworths are employed.
I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.
He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.
Well thanks vm for that, most kind.
But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.
Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.
People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
23 (BF and Smarkets) is maybe a bit big for a 0-0 WH v Liverpool?
Worth a tenner!
I love the strange feeling of cheering on the injuries.
Not any nore it isnt....
If it stays like this I'll be cheesed off. I backed the nil nil in the correct score market. I usually back "no goalscorer" in the first to score market (cus own goals don't count) but didn't this time as the odds were too different.
Most important news is that it looks like India is about to permit exports of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, which will largely go to Africa. India produced more than 300 million vaccine doses in October, and those were almost entirely AZ, though I don't know what vaccine uptake is like in India, they may still want most of the doses for their domestic vaccine programme for a while.
I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.
He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.
Well thanks vm for that, most kind.
But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.
Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.
People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.
Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.
He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.
Well thanks vm for that, most kind.
But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.
Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.
People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.
Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
You've confused things a bit for me - are you saying Keith's last name is Sir Keir?
I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.
He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.
Well thanks vm for that, most kind.
But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.
Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.
People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.
Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
Christ is a title - as I would have thought a classicist would know. His name was Yeshua ben Yosef.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 16m I don't know why people think this is so hard. Just ban second jobs. If it means MPs can't do shifts in A&E that's a shame. But there's a bigger issue at stake here.
My contract of employment forbids me from having a second job. That’s fairly normal I think.
Does your contract also include a provision that means you have to reapply for the job at unspecified intervals, but no more than five years apart?
Being an MP is NOT a job, it is an elected position.
No, but that’s why they’re paid 80-odd K a year.
Plus huge amounts of expenses and can claim anything , can employ their families , gold plated pensions and big pay offs when found out.
The pensions aren’t anything to write home about, as per Nick P’s comment upthread.
MP’s gold plated pensions are a myth.
10K after just 10 years is hugely more than your average person gets, would mean pot well over 200K. Most people have a fraction of that after full working life.
13 years. Your average person on £80k per year?
Of course it's similarly "gold plated" but LGPS would pay £21k (9.9% contribution p.a.)
Bollox and he was not on 80K a year far from it ( he started over 20 years ago) and stopped best part of 10 ago. so it will be much higher now. You are trying to say they would get 2% + of salary for every year , cuckoo.
LGPS is 1/49th of average salary.
Exceedingly rare to say the least, very very few have anything remotely like that. So as previously stated gold, platinum and diamond plated
I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.
He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.
And indeed it is normal to refer to knights as Sir Firstname, even in formal contexts.
Indeed - A point I've been making for a while. Why doesn't Linsay Hoyle?
My understanding is that someone is "Sir Firstname" if, without a knighthood, you'd be calling him "Mr Lastname".
We've been debating this issue for a while.
Sir Lindsay Hoyle refers to SKS always as "Keir Starmer"
But hey no big deal eh?
Because Sir Keir has specifically asked him to.
Yes we know that. My point is that it's very inapproriate for a knight of the realm who want's to be PM to want to want to be known by his pub name just as a vote grabbing exercise.
Leader's of the Lib Dems and DUP go about things the right way. They accepted their Knighthoods so they accept being referred to by the way they should be referred.
You would mandate mask wearing in England now. Okay. You would introduce a law that makes it illegal to visit pubs, bars, theatres, clubs and shops without a mask. That’s a very significant imposition.
Would you then also mandate vaccination in England from today?
?
Where did I say ban visiting pubs etc? They aren't banned up here or in Germany or in the rest of the world that hasn't been as daft as England in dropping the requirement to wear masks. England - like the rest of the developed world - should have maintained a mask mandate.
You didn't. you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Politically any new restrictions will be difficult because so many people down there think its all over. Hence the need for Plan B, Plan C, "Jabbed or Christmas gets it" etc etc
You keep asking what I think. I don't think. But I listen to what Whitty, Vallance, Van-Tam, Taylor etc think. I know nothing on this subject, I am not a doctor or a virologist or someone qualified to disagree with them. Unlike you and many on here apparently.
Jesus Christ, Jonathan Van-Tam, the "qualified" man you revere on this issue, famously said "masks are useless, my friend in Hong Kong told me" (this despite everyone in Hong Kong wearing a mask. Odd that)
He's a fricking idiot. You are pathetically grovelling to establishment half-wits. Grow a spine
You misunderstand RP, he wants the government to u-turn on plan b or c or masks regardless of what's actually happening on the ground. If England (and the rest of the UK) has hit herd immunity and we continue to see the current big drops in cases it will prove the UK government position was right (run hot in the summer and autumn, no restrictions) and that Europe was wrong (prevent spread, retain NPIs). In his small world the UK is always wrong and Europe always right. This would upend that as European countries head into lockdown 4 and the UK exits the pandemic entirely.
Just look at his bluster over the supposedly failing booster programme which has now done 10m doses. The facts don't matter to him, just that the UK is always wrong and Europe always right. Weirdly he voted leave. 🤷♂️
Max you are accusing RP of hating the UK and loving Europe just like you were with me. I think we can argue about stuff without resorting to people's lack of patriotism.
Re the 3rd jab it did start as a bit of a shambles but then got turned around pretty impressively. I saw the change in action as I was on the verge of my booster when it was all wrong and with in a couple of weeks they turned it around to become a very effective experience. The 1st two were very successful throughout I thought.
EU lovers do stick together!
The shambles was because the NHS management decided it would take complete control of the third jab rollout rather than leave it to the same people that did the initial roll out. About two weeks ago the Saj handed it all back to the private company and as if by magic people can book appointments easily and get provisioned a month in advance of their expected eligibility. If he hadn't done that we'd be relying on letters and phone calls to get appointments. Well I wouldn't because I'm not allowed one. 😭
I agree with your post, but just because we 'love' the EU doesn't mean we hate the UK. We don't.
I think it does, the EU is a hostile entity to the UK, it is no longer any kind of ally to us.
Well it doesn't because I don't hate the UK and I do like the EU. So by definition it isn't true. You really do need to stop thinking Remainers are all anti the UK. We are not. We just disagreed on leaving. Nothing more than that.
It's similar to the "Boris haters are rooting for lots of Covid deaths and a massive recession so as to bring him down" - ie the false association of disliking British government policy with traitorously rooting against Britain and its people. Arrant smeary nonsense.
Blimey the nerve was more than touched!
What do you want me to call Sir Keir? I'll do it, I'm sorry. I hate to be such a bad person, you can set the rules
You're being a touch 'hair trigger' there, isam. The 'arrant smeary nonsense' I was referencing is depressingly widespread.
But now you mention it, yes. Let's have a post from you - and why not make it the next one - where you write 'Johnson' for the beloved and 'Starmer' for the hate object.
Just the one, to show you can do it, then back to 'bau'.
Listen I know you despise passive aggressive behaviour, but, as they are both playing this afternoon, just want to confirm I support Arsenal not West Ham, and am not a particular fan of Ray Winstone. Thanks for the compliment on my use of a long word yesterday too
Yes, the Arse, with West Ham as your 2nd favs, I know. I don't forget things. And if you now say you're no fan of Winstone and in fact wouldn't like him as London Mayor instead of Khan, then I'll accept that as the truth.
But I truly don't understand why you won't do just the one quick post using Johnson/Starmer syntax. I hate all this "Boris" and "Sir Keir" - make no bones about that - but I am able to do it. Look,
Boris is imo more charismatic than Sir Keir. See? And I'm still alive.
All you need to do is the opposite, type "Johnson is imo more charismatic than Starmer" and press 'post' on that. If you do, that's it, this thing is over and you won't hear another word about it, least from me.
I am sure I have referred to them that way in the past. Have a check and get back to me!
Ok. I guess it's possible. Let's park it for now anyway. No point in getting bogged down in trivia. There's a country in deep deep trouble and a corrupt incompetent Tory government to comment on.
Most important news is that it looks like India is about to permit exports of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, which will largely go to Africa. India produced more than 300 million vaccine doses in October, and those were almost entirely AZ, though I don't know what vaccine uptake is like in India, they may still want most of the doses for their domestic vaccine programme for a while.
That could significantly help Covax.
I do wonder if vaccines are about to suffer from BIS - Boris Inattention Syndrome, whilst we should be locking in the process to develop and build a vaccine capability worldwide, linked to the UK research base.
The approach of exporting vaccine factories, and the knowhow to create them, is far more preferable and beneficial developmentally to the alternative of building a huge factory and ex[exporting the expensive products thereof.
I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.
He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.
Well thanks vm for that, most kind.
But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.
Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.
People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.
Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
You've confused things a bit for me - are you saying Keith's last name is Sir Keir?
You would mandate mask wearing in England now. Okay. You would introduce a law that makes it illegal to visit pubs, bars, theatres, clubs and shops without a mask. That’s a very significant imposition.
Would you then also mandate vaccination in England from today?
?
Where did I say ban visiting pubs etc? They aren't banned up here or in Germany or in the rest of the world that hasn't been as daft as England in dropping the requirement to wear masks. England - like the rest of the developed world - should have maintained a mask mandate.
You didn't. you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Politically any new restrictions will be difficult because so many people down there think its all over. Hence the need for Plan B, Plan C, "Jabbed or Christmas gets it" etc etc
You keep asking what I think. I don't think. But I listen to what Whitty, Vallance, Van-Tam, Taylor etc think. I know nothing on this subject, I am not a doctor or a virologist or someone qualified to disagree with them. Unlike you and many on here apparently.
Jesus Christ, Jonathan Van-Tam, the "qualified" man you revere on this issue, famously said "masks are useless, my friend in Hong Kong told me" (this despite everyone in Hong Kong wearing a mask. Odd that)
He's a fricking idiot. You are pathetically grovelling to establishment half-wits. Grow a spine
You misunderstand RP, he wants the government to u-turn on plan b or c or masks regardless of what's actually happening on the ground. If England (and the rest of the UK) has hit herd immunity and we continue to see the current big drops in cases it will prove the UK government position was right (run hot in the summer and autumn, no restrictions) and that Europe was wrong (prevent spread, retain NPIs). In his small world the UK is always wrong and Europe always right. This would upend that as European countries head into lockdown 4 and the UK exits the pandemic entirely.
Just look at his bluster over the supposedly failing booster programme which has now done 10m doses. The facts don't matter to him, just that the UK is always wrong and Europe always right. Weirdly he voted leave. 🤷♂️
Max you are accusing RP of hating the UK and loving Europe just like you were with me. I think we can argue about stuff without resorting to people's lack of patriotism.
Re the 3rd jab it did start as a bit of a shambles but then got turned around pretty impressively. I saw the change in action as I was on the verge of my booster when it was all wrong and with in a couple of weeks they turned it around to become a very effective experience. The 1st two were very successful throughout I thought.
EU lovers do stick together!
The shambles was because the NHS management decided it would take complete control of the third jab rollout rather than leave it to the same people that did the initial roll out. About two weeks ago the Saj handed it all back to the private company and as if by magic people can book appointments easily and get provisioned a month in advance of their expected eligibility. If he hadn't done that we'd be relying on letters and phone calls to get appointments. Well I wouldn't because I'm not allowed one. 😭
I agree with your post, but just because we 'love' the EU doesn't mean we hate the UK. We don't.
I think it does, the EU is a hostile entity to the UK, it is no longer any kind of ally to us.
In years of PB I think these are stupidest things I have ever seen actually written down. Being lectured in patriotism by a party that took 5m million quid from Russian donors; that entered into a catastophic policy that has already cost hundreds of billions, and is accelerating our economic and political decline, not reversing it. A party that has brought Parliament and politics into disrepute, humiliated the Queen with an unconstiutuional prorogation of Parliament and many other greater and lesser consittional and polical crimes.
Shameless and mindless patriotism truly is the last refuge of the scoundrel. You imposed a bad man and a lousy PM on this country, a man who is unpicking the Union stich by stich, A Burchill who thinks he is a Churchill. For that alone the obliteration of the Tories can not come soon enough.
You chose this, you own it and you can take the f&%king consequences.
The simple fact is that you were not able to prevent us leaving the EU as you and many others failed to make a winning case
This morning Starmer clearly stated he will not re join the EU and said he would consider his response if A16 was served
Maybe make a coherent case as to how you would resolve this issue and contribute to the debate
So from outright insult from one Tory to patronising guff from another. Disappointed in you BigG. The case for Rejoin is being made everyday we lose trade. You may not care too muich about the economic wellbeing of UK PLC, but the impact of this hard Brexit grows worse every day. You may think that Remain failed to make its case, however you overlook one critical thing:
The state of play Leader Ratings wise, between Boris and Sir Keir
Dark Blue is Boris Gross Positives, Light Blue his Net Satisfaction, and the same in Red for Sir Keir. As I have been saying, in Electoral Cycles there is ebb and flow - For a long while Sr Keir led on Net Satisfaction, then Boris was walking it, now it it is more level.
You'd never have guessed
I think I can explain Johnson's fluctuating net positives. Perception was, he invented and procured Covid busting vaccines that the rest of our former EU colleagues singularity and as an alliance failed so to do. There was more than a grain of truth in this statement and as the incumbent he rightly took the spoils. He needs something equally impressive to repeat the pattern. I can't imagine what that might be. I wait with bated breath. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that whatever it will be, it might come to pass.
On the other hand Starmer is dreary, but in the near future dreary might be of the moment.
"... in the near future dreary might be of the moment". That has been the hope all along.
I have actually missed out the last YouGov for Sir Keir there, where he scored -40 (20/60)
The women in Labour's Shad Cab have so much more zip and energy about them. I am amazed Labour went for an old, white, man again.
Less of the old. He's younger than me!
59, not that old actually I suppose. I thought he was in his early 60s
Would have thought you'd be all over that sort of core data on your specialist subject.
More of a hobby.
I didn't want to get to you like this, I thought you could be quite funny at times.
You're not a moderator are you. That wouldn't end well for me
What more can I do than apologise for calling Boris "Boris", and Sir Keir, "Sir Keir", and leave you to police those who refer to them as "Bozo", "Shagger" "Liar" "Worzel", "Keith" etc
Worzel works, doesn't it? But if you don't mind I'll keep referring to the PM as Johnson.
If only. Then I wouldn't be reduced to pleading like this.
But c'mon, please and pretty please - just try a little "Johnson" and "Starmer" in one little post.
What's the worst that could happen?
No, I've decided to stick with my own words, but thanks for the offer
Police the others who use derogatory terms by all means, I'm with you all the way
Daily Star (Scottish edition anyway) regularly refer to Johnson as Bozo.
George Galloway on his Sunday Youtube talk show has referred to Sir Keir as Sir Keith.
I believe both Memes started here.
Bozo is a very special word though, as is the phrase The Clown. If you use it, it magically transforms whatever other horseshit you write in the rest of the post to mean that Boris is proven to be not only the worst PM ever but the worst that it it is possible to be, and the government to not only be the worst there has ever been, but... etc.
I’m a big @kinabalu fan, but cannot see why @isam deserves censure for calling Boris and Sir Keir by their given names.
He always spells Keir’s name correctly, which is more than can be said for several other geniuses on here.
Well thanks vm for that, most kind.
But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.
Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.
People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
Kier Is Exactly Right is how I remember it.
Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
England will face New Zealand on November 10 in Abu Dhabi.
Pakistan will face Australia on November 10 in Dubai.
Final between the two winners on November 13th in Dubai.
Any Pakistan or Australia fans around, the good news is there’s a couple of hundred tickets just released. Bad news is they’re in hospitality area and £750 each. Not for me, sadly.
England will face New Zealand on November 10 in Abu Dhabi.
Pakistan will face Australia on November 10 in Dubai.
Final between the two winners on November 13th in Dubai.
Any Pakistan or Australia fans around, the good news is there’s a couple of hundred tickets just released. Bad news is they’re in hospitality area and £750 each. Not for me, sadly.
Surprised they've got both semis on the same day. Have you got tickets for the England Semi or the Final?
To make it entirely clear, I am not down because Labour isn't in Government, I am down because of other mental health issues and the bet I had placed I was just hoping might give me some temporary happiness. I am seeking help
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 16m I don't know why people think this is so hard. Just ban second jobs. If it means MPs can't do shifts in A&E that's a shame. But there's a bigger issue at stake here.
My contract of employment forbids me from having a second job. That’s fairly normal I think.
Does your contract also include a provision that means you have to reapply for the job at unspecified intervals, but no more than five years apart?
Being an MP is NOT a job, it is an elected position.
No, but that’s why they’re paid 80-odd K a year.
Plus huge amounts of expenses and can claim anything , can employ their families , gold plated pensions and big pay offs when found out.
The pensions aren’t anything to write home about, as per Nick P’s comment upthread.
MP’s gold plated pensions are a myth.
An MP pension is astonishing, even by the standards of the most gold plated of the public sector pensions.
Ask how much you’d have to put into a private pension, to get a £10k index-linked annuity from 13 years’ contributions?
(NP makes very good points about having to give up a career for Parliament, if we want to find good people we do need to look at how they are rewarded for their service. The pension does reflect to some extent, the somewhat higher risk of getting fired, than for your average civil servant).
For those in safe seats, the pensions are gold plated indeed. For those like Nick, who interrupted a decent career to run for Parliament, and the got turfed out, it’s a little hyperbolic to describe them as such.
I would rather MPs receive decent remuneration than have them sell their souls to Randox et al.
You think Paterson was driven to taking Randox's money by grinding poverty?
No, and he has a safe seat. Not all MPs are Paterson, though.
England will face New Zealand on November 10 in Abu Dhabi.
Pakistan will face Australia on November 10 in Dubai.
Final between the two winners on November 13th in Dubai.
Any Pakistan or Australia fans around, the good news is there’s a couple of hundred tickets just released. Bad news is they’re in hospitality area and £750 each. Not for me, sadly.
Surprised they've got both semis on the same day. Have you got tickets for the England Semi or the Final?
I just checked that, and Cricinfo got it wrong.
Eng v NZ is on 10th, Wednesday, 14:00 GMT Pak v Aus is on 11th, Thursday, 14:00 GMT Final is on 14th, Sunday, 14:00 GMT
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Intel for other poor PBers like me - Mexican GP is live on Radio 5 live from 6.45.
This is October. Chinese vaccines falling back in numbers. UK production at 9 million in Oct.
https://globalcommissionforpostpandemicpolicy.org/covid-19-vaccine-production-to-october-31st-2021/
I think too many otherwise unemployable jobsworths have got a little too fond of the taste of power Covid gave them. They're making decisions to feel they are in control rather than because they would be of benefit.
And that could certainly apply to the DoPH in the average LA as it does to the DfE.
Hmmm
Do you mean to suggest that you have observed, or have peer reviewed data on, "employable jobsworths"?
If so, that is Nobel Prize level stuff - that's like observing Dark Matter.
@10DowningStreet
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United Kingdom government organization
Today Prime Minister
@BorisJohnson
and Home Secretary
@PritiPatel
visited
@NeasdenTemple
in North London, as Hindus in the United Kingdom, India and around the world celebrate #Diwali and welcome in the New Year.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1457386697558220805?s=20
Scotland recovering well, but not enough time to make the runs. Pakistan will win the group now.
But look, point 1, it's not a big deal, and point 2, the point that's very valid but not a big deal is with the 100% all-the-time. never a slip, use not of Keir but "Sir" Keir.
Our isam does this to denigrate, sneer, mock his hate object, the eponymous knight of the realm who currently leads the Labour Party. He has much invested, emotionally, financially, philosophically, spiritually, sexu ... ok maybe not that, but you get my drift ... in him failing to eject the Muscly Magnificence come the election.
People paying attention to isam's posting on SKS will know this. You are probably not paying much attention to it, in which case, hats off and good call.
Presumably his printer had run out of green ink.
Also, for those who get confused over surnames vs Christian names: you get called Sir Keir, not Sir Starmer, so Keir is obviously the surname. And Christ was called Jesus Christ in that order, so Starmer is the Christian name.
Sir Lindsay Hoyle refers to SKS always as "Keir Starmer"
But hey no big deal eh?
Leader's of the Lib Dems and DUP go about things the right way. They accepted their Knighthoods so they accept being referred to by the way they should be referred.
I do wonder if vaccines are about to suffer from BIS - Boris Inattention Syndrome, whilst we should be locking in the process to develop and build a vaccine capability worldwide, linked to the UK research base.
The approach of exporting vaccine factories, and the knowhow to create them, is far more preferable and beneficial developmentally to the alternative of building a huge factory and ex[exporting the expensive products thereof.
Andrew Lilico @andrew_lilico
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50m
"Siri, show me what an absolutely epic fall in cases in kids would look like on a log scale." (h/t
@alexselby1770)
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1457385398649425923
Leave lied.
Johnson Johnson Johnson Johnson.
Says it all.
Unless he changed from Sir Keir Starmer to just Keir Starmer upon being elected LOTO, I don't see the point.
Semi Finals:
England will face New Zealand on November 10 in Abu Dhabi.
Pakistan will face Australia on November 10 in Dubai.
Final between the two winners on November 13th in Dubai.
Any Pakistan or Australia fans around, the good news is there’s a couple of hundred tickets just released. Bad news is they’re in hospitality area and £750 each. Not for me, sadly.
Not all MPs are Paterson, though.
Eng v NZ is on 10th, Wednesday, 14:00 GMT
Pak v Aus is on 11th, Thursday, 14:00 GMT
Final is on 14th, Sunday, 14:00 GMT
https://www.t20worldcup.com/fixtures/men
Sadly no tickets for the remaining matches, unless of course anyone knows of any going spare?
Indeed, Paterson offered Boris cover to change the system.
And why would the system need changing. Because there is a report coming on Boris's behaviour.
The (mis-)calculation was that because Paterson hadn't done anything too egregious, there'd be only limited push back.