Not this year. Maybe after he wins something, or even if he doesn't after he steps down from the role, but not while he's still in the job without the victory.
Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.
Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.
Nah, it went well for him he played a crucial role in London 2012.
Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.
And let's not even talk about Sir Andrew Murray, the world No.1 at the time of his knighthood.
Mind you I suppose you could argue his career effectively ended at that point given he's won fuck all since.
Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.
And let's not even talk about Sir Andrew Murray, the world No.1 at the time of his knighthood.
Mind you I suppose you could argue his career effectively ended at that point given he's won fuck all since.
His career went downhill the moment he backed Scottish independence.
"A study by a team from the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences and Peking Union Medical College in Beijing has suggested that SARS-CoV-2-related viruses are “extremely rare” in bats in China"
Doesn't that lend more weight to the lab leak theory?
Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.
And let's not even talk about Sir Andrew Murray, the world No.1 at the time of his knighthood.
Mind you I suppose you could argue his career effectively ended at that point given he's won fuck all since.
His career went downhill the moment he backed Scottish independence.
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Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
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As TACKA Farooq mentioned, a 10pp rise in immigration means a 2.6% reduction in pay at the lower end of the wage scale, compared to less than 1% overall. The reality was that it was more like a 15-16pp increase in immigration from 2004-12 at that lower end, hence Brexit I’d say
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Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
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Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
Boris has taken over the knighting as well now, has he?
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
Yes but the market is for this year (including the New Year Honours list).
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
A massive Leaver?
Sorry, Remainer!
Did wonder. Was quite entertained by the idea of Gareth fulminating over the NI protocol and RTing GB News during training.
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
Yes but the market is for this year (including the New Year Honours list).
I know, that's why I said backing No in this market.
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
Boris has taken over the knighting as well now, has he?
Give it time, especially if Brenda starts giving up more duties.
Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.
Why?
Not that I want one.
As I said, if you're into that sort of thing; receive from old school model of duty and rectitude and mater of the nation for almost 70 years, or chap who fantasised about being a tampon?
Just imagine you'd just boarded a plane, were ready for take off, and his voice comes over the intercom as the captain doing his spiel welcoming you to the flight.
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Just back from my lunchtime constitutional round the streets of East Ham. Regrettably, that cultural abomination, "trick or treat" looks to be getting another outing. I suppose had this morning's rain fallen this evening we'd have been spared much of it.
I suppose I could drone on ad nauseam and ad infinitum about the insidious Americanisation of Britain but what would be the point? The Europeans are both the new and the old enemy and because the US are not much cop at football, cricket or rugby (excluding 1950 in Brazil I imagine) we don't have the faux enmity on the sporting field we enjoy with the Australians, Canadians, West Indians and New Zealanders.
I missed this morning's discussion on immigration - in my part of London, probably one of the cheapest, the arrival of workers from other parts of the EU after 2005 had an immediate impact. The early arrivals were the Poles and the Lithuanians (to a much lesser extent, Latvians and Estonians for some reason) and before long we had specialist food shops and the like for the growing community which initially soaked up the rental market and in time went into the home ownership market.
Most of them have now gone - some have been absorbed into the community no doubt but my suspicion is the wage differential which brought them here (especially the skilled workers) has disappeared and they can now earn the kind of money in Poland they could in the UK - one of the benefits of the Single Market some might argue, the equalisation of incomes and costs.
The second wave of incomers has been the Romanians and Bulgarians and they are now in East Ham. They too now have their specialist food shops, barber shops and the like and a network of vans to carry goods and people from the UK to Romania and Bulgaria.
Has the UK leaving the EU made a big difference? Not really - most either applied legally for settled status or exist under the radar. We know the housing issues this has caused - multiple occupancy in homes, illegal dwellings in gardens etc. There's also rough sleeping especially in summer. However, there seems no doubt the wage differential between the UK and Romania/Bulgaria remains considerable.
One side trend I have noticed is there was at one point quite an influx of sub-Saharan Africans primarily from the former Portuguese colonies who seemed to be able to enter the EU via Portugal and come to the UK. That has been turned off by the decision to leave the EU.
All of this, in my area, is dwarfed by the population movements within the Tamil and Muslim communities as people come and go from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
There are sluggish signs East Ham and Barking are moving "up" with the construction of new blocks of flats bringing a new wave of younger people into the area albeit for most of them on a rental or shared equity basis.
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Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
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Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
A massive Leaver?
Sorry, Remainer!
Is he?
"“I didn’t like the connotations around Brexit. There were some generational opinions about what modern Britain should look like. We felt that young people in particular would connect with our guys.
Because they must have been confused after Brexit. Because for me a lot of the undertones of the voting on Brexit were racial undertones.”
Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.
Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
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Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.
Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.
Chas has been doing honours for years though. At risk of sounding like the other Chas he OBEed my mum back in 2000 ish, just cos it was his turn - HMQ not ill or away
Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
Better start encouraging his penalty takers to practise taking penalties then, hush ma big mouf.
"Getting to a world cup semi final and the final of the Euros doesn’t count." It's more than enough if your name is Sir Bobby Robson.
Bobby Robson never got us to the final of the Euros.
There was a gap of 11/12 years between reaching the world cup semi final and him being knighted, so it effectively became a lifetime achievement award.
Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.
Chas has been doing honours for years though. At risk of sounding like the other Chas he OBEed my mum back in 2000 ish, just cos it was his turn - HMQ not ill or away
I'd even think who did the actual ceremony would be a thing for some people, but doesn't the honour come from the reigning monarch regardless of who waves the sword about? Did your mum have an opinion on it or not bothered?
Just back from my lunchtime constitutional round the streets of East Ham. Regrettably, that cultural abomination, "trick or treat" looks to be getting another outing. I suppose had this morning's rain fallen this evening we'd have been spared much of it.
I suppose I could drone on ad nauseam and ad infinitum about the insidious Americanisation of Britain but what would be the point? The Europeans are both the new and the old enemy and because the US are not much cop at football, cricket or rugby (excluding 1950 in Brazil I imagine) we don't have the faux enmity on the sporting field we enjoy with the Australians, Canadians, West Indians and New Zealanders.
I missed this morning's discussion on immigration - in my part of London, probably one of the cheapest, the arrival of workers from other parts of the EU after 2005 had an immediate impact. The early arrivals were the Poles and the Lithuanians (to a much lesser extent, Latvians and Estonians for some reason) and before long we had specialist food shops and the like for the growing community which initially soaked up the rental market and in time went into the home ownership market.
Most of them have now gone - some have been absorbed into the community no doubt but my suspicion is the wage differential which brought them here (especially the skilled workers) has disappeared and they can now earn the kind of money in Poland they could in the UK - one of the benefits of the Single Market some might argue, the equalisation of incomes and costs.
The second wave of incomers has been the Romanians and Bulgarians and they are now in East Ham. They too now have their specialist food shops, barber shops and the like and a network of vans to carry goods and people from the UK to Romania and Bulgaria.
Has the UK leaving the EU made a big difference? Not really - most either applied legally for settled status or exist under the radar. We know the housing issues this has caused - multiple occupancy in homes, illegal dwellings in gardens etc. There's also rough sleeping especially in summer. However, there seems no doubt the wage differential between the UK and Romania/Bulgaria remains considerable.
One side trend I have noticed is there was at one point quite an influx of sub-Saharan Africans primarily from the former Portuguese colonies who seemed to be able to enter the EU via Portugal and come to the UK. That has been turned off by the decision to leave the EU.
All of this, in my area, is dwarfed by the population movements within the Tamil and Muslim communities as people come and go from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
There are sluggish signs East Ham and Barking are moving "up" with the construction of new blocks of flats bringing a new wave of younger people into the area albeit for most of them on a rental or shared equity basis.
Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
It's even literally called 'guising' in my and I think your neck of the woods.
Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.
Chas has been doing honours for years though. At risk of sounding like the other Chas he OBEed my mum back in 2000 ish, just cos it was his turn - HMQ not ill or away
I'd even think who did the actual ceremony would be a thing for some people, but doesn't the honour come from the reigning monarch regardless of who waves the sword about? Did your mum have an opinion on it or not bothered?
No problem with it and yes you are right the honour is technically from the sovereign
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Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.
Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.
Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
Who can say sorry the most times when been bumped into by somebody else?
Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.
Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
Who can say sorry the most times when been bumped into by somebody else?
It used to be the pleasantness of our police, but they win that hands down these days
Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.
Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
Lacrosse, their national sport.
What would Milly-Molly-Mandy do otherwise?
I always thought the national sport of Canada was Ice Hockey (or just Hockey to them)
Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.
Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
Lacrosse, their national sport.
What would Milly-Molly-Mandy do otherwise?
I always thought the national sport of Canada was Ice Hockey (or just Hockey to them)
Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.
so far he has done nothing, but that is no obstacle for Tories, a bung and he will be a certainty
Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.
Chas has been doing honours for years though. At risk of sounding like the other Chas he OBEed my mum back in 2000 ish, just cos it was his turn - HMQ not ill or away
I'd even think who did the actual ceremony would be a thing for some people, but doesn't the honour come from the reigning monarch regardless of who waves the sword about? Did your mum have an opinion on it or not bothered?
No problem with it and yes you are right the honour is technically from the sovereign
It is pure bollox, bit like when the americans used to give the native indians beads and firewater
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
Just imagine you'd just boarded a plane, were ready for take off, and his voice comes over the intercom as the captain doing his spiel welcoming you to the flight.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.
Maybe he does it just to annoy you
That would be "delusions of grandeur"
You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction: What's it to you?
I'm anti Blair's party and fairly sure Keith is utilising loopholes so that he comes across as more common for the sake of working class votes.
Tribalist wittering, then.
Perhaps - But my point is valid enough.
If you accept a title and then want drop it when you're one of the few potential candidates to be PM then something is amiss.
Being honest about going to a private school and advertising the facthe is a knight of the realm isn't going to help Labour's efforts to contrast themselves with the Tories as out of touch posh boys though
Based on the publicly available facts, it looks like France has manoeuvred itself into a position where it has a choice between backing down and looking silly, or doubling down and not only looking silly but also splitting the EU.
If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.
Maybe he does it just to annoy you
That would be "delusions of grandeur"
You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction: What's it to you?
I'm anti Blair's party and fairly sure Keith is utilising loopholes so that he comes across as more common for the sake of working class votes.
Tribalist wittering, then.
Perhaps - But my point is valid enough.
If you accept a title and then want drop it when you're one of the few potential candidates to be PM then something is amiss.
Being honest about going to a private school and advertising the facthe is a knight of the realm isn't going to help Labour's efforts to contrast themselves with the Tories as out of touch posh boys though
Indeed - the farce has to stop - He should be known as SKS in the chamber or relnquish the title.
Can anyone explain the police's behaviour on Insulate Britain? Why has no-one been charged? Why does the government need to bring in injunctions around protest? Surely there is no need to do this. There must be existing laws around blocking highways that they could be charged under.
I wonder if the government wants an excuse to bring in lots of new anti-protest laws. Maybe the met have been scarred by the Sarah Everard situation. I don't know. I just find it unfathomable.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
Absolutely preposterous bollocks.
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
Absolutely preposterous bollocks.
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
I have 30 characters after my name. I only use them when parents are really getting up my nose.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
Absolutely preposterous bollocks.
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
Not sure equating your job roles with that of a potential PM is that relevant.
If you want to be PM - and have already accepted a knighthood - then you just have to accept being called "Sir".
We'll all be calling him Keith soon enough anyway.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
Absolutely preposterous bollocks.
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
I have 30 characters after my name. I only use them when parents are really getting up my nose.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
Absolutely preposterous bollocks.
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
Not sure equating your job roles with that of a potential PM is that relevant.
If you want to be PM - and have already accepted a knighthood - then you just have to accept being called "Sir".
We'll all be calling him Keith soon enough anyway.
Also Bonier pointa oit that there is not much high quality polling for the election. The recent glut of polls has all been GOP think tanks.
I think that is a bit unfair as people like Emerson, Washington Post and USA Today have also done polling recently and their message has been the same, the race is a dead heat. The exception is Fox which, as Pop pointed out, actually is regarded as high quality and non-partisan despite being Fox.
Looking at a congressional district level, I would make the following comments:
The top 4 districts for absolute number of early votes are 10, 7, 8 and 1, with 4 and 11 not too far behind. Of the top 4, the 8th is very Democrat, the 10th moderately so, the 7th is a swing seat and the 1st is moderately Republican. In addition, the 4th and 11th are safe Democrat seats, particularly the 11th. So looking at that, you would say by district, the Democrats should be in a good spot.
However, the 10th is the seat of Loudoun County and has the highest number of early voters. Given all the school controversies there, one argument is that the controversy is driving up turnout amongst dissatisfied parents.
In addition, the 2nd, 5th and 6th seats are not too far behind the 4th and 11th for early voting. 2 of these are safe/ safe-ish / Republican and the other one (the 2nd) is a swing seat (R+1 according to the lean).
One thing I might also be worried about on the early vote counts is that the 3rd district, which is a Democrat stronghold, has low early voting turnout relative to other seats. The other seat worse is the 9th, which is heavily Republican, rural and where you would expect a heavy election day turnout.
I'm still happy with my Youngkin bet, I think he will squeeze it out but can also accept it could be a narrow McAuliffe win. As an outside bet, I have put Youngkin's margin at >2.5% at what was then 9/2 as an outside bet.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
Absolutely preposterous bollocks.
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
Not sure equating your job roles with that of a potential PM is that relevant.
If you want to be PM - and have already accepted a knighthood - then you just have to accept being called "Sir".
We'll all be calling him Keith soon enough anyway.
Sir Ed Davey.
Not sure of your point - But Sir Ed is known as Sir Ed in chamber; the way is should be done.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
Absolutely preposterous bollocks.
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
I have 30 characters after my name. I only use them when parents are really getting up my nose.
FRSP - Fellow of the Royal Society of Puns
You have to win a competition to be elected to that office.
I entered my ten best puns, sure that one would win. But sadly no pun in ten did.
It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
Absolutely preposterous bollocks.
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
I have 30 characters after my name. I only use them when parents are really getting up my nose.
One of the worst cases of diplomatosis that I have encountered...
If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.
Maybe he does it just to annoy you
That would be "delusions of grandeur"
You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction: What's it to you?
I'm anti Blair's party and fairly sure Keith is utilising loopholes so that he comes across as more common for the sake of working class votes.
Tribalist wittering, then.
Perhaps - But my point is valid enough.
If you accept a title and then want drop it when you're one of the few potential candidates to be PM then something is amiss.
Being honest about going to a private school and advertising the facthe is a knight of the realm isn't going to help Labour's efforts to contrast themselves with the Tories as out of touch posh boys though
Labour obsess about this too much though - The northern working class don't really give a toss , the only thing that gets their back up is faking it . If you look at Boris's biggest fans it is the northern working class precisely because they find Boris genuine (in the sense of not trying to hide who he is ) and not patronising
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Mind you I suppose you could argue his career effectively ended at that point given he's won fuck all since.
He strikes me as the type of man who thinks getting past a semi after several decades of trying isn’t really worthy of an honour.
2 majors before and just 1 one afterwards.
Doesn't that lend more weight to the lab leak theory?
Jon Sopel 2/1
Amol Rajan 4/1
Vicki Young 4/1
Adam Fleming 6/1
Emily Maitlis 7/1
Lewis Goodall 7/1
Faisal Islam 8/1
Chris Mason 9/1
Ben Brown 11/1
Alex Forsyth 12/1
14/1 bar
https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.
So there's only one contender.
Robert Peston!
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/cricketing-knights-60096
My great grand uncle is in a Bradman-Hobbs sandwich.
There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.
Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
https://izajodm.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40176-017-0096-0
Sam Coates @ 16-1 looks tempting.
Was quite entertained by the idea of Gareth fulminating over the NI protocol and RTing GB News during training.
Not that I want one.
Forget you ever knew anything about Boris.
Just imagine you'd just boarded a plane, were ready for take off, and his voice comes over the intercom as the captain doing his spiel welcoming you to the flight.
Tell me you wouldn't want to get off...
Stand-out bets for me are with Smarkets: Rajan 8.8, Fleming 15.5 and Mason @ 18.
Just back from my lunchtime constitutional round the streets of East Ham. Regrettably, that cultural abomination, "trick or treat" looks to be getting another outing. I suppose had this morning's rain fallen this evening we'd have been spared much of it.
I suppose I could drone on ad nauseam and ad infinitum about the insidious Americanisation of Britain but what would be the point? The Europeans are both the new and the old enemy and because the US are not much cop at football, cricket or rugby (excluding 1950 in Brazil I imagine) we don't have the faux enmity on the sporting field we enjoy with the Australians, Canadians, West Indians and New Zealanders.
I missed this morning's discussion on immigration - in my part of London, probably one of the cheapest, the arrival of workers from other parts of the EU after 2005 had an immediate impact. The early arrivals were the Poles and the Lithuanians (to a much lesser extent, Latvians and Estonians for some reason) and before long we had specialist food shops and the like for the growing community which initially soaked up the rental market and in time went into the home ownership market.
Most of them have now gone - some have been absorbed into the community no doubt but my suspicion is the wage differential which brought them here (especially the skilled workers) has disappeared and they can now earn the kind of money in Poland they could in the UK - one of the benefits of the Single Market some might argue, the equalisation of incomes and costs.
The second wave of incomers has been the Romanians and Bulgarians and they are now in East Ham. They too now have their specialist food shops, barber shops and the like and a network of vans to carry goods and people from the UK to Romania and Bulgaria.
Has the UK leaving the EU made a big difference? Not really - most either applied legally for settled status or exist under the radar. We know the housing issues this has caused - multiple occupancy in homes, illegal dwellings in gardens etc. There's also rough sleeping especially in summer. However, there seems no doubt the wage differential between the UK and Romania/Bulgaria remains considerable.
One side trend I have noticed is there was at one point quite an influx of sub-Saharan Africans primarily from the former Portuguese colonies who seemed to be able to enter the EU via Portugal and come to the UK. That has been turned off by the decision to leave the EU.
All of this, in my area, is dwarfed by the population movements within the Tamil and Muslim communities as people come and go from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.
There are sluggish signs East Ham and Barking are moving "up" with the construction of new blocks of flats bringing a new wave of younger people into the area albeit for most of them on a rental or shared equity basis.
Because they must have been confused after Brexit. Because for me a lot of the undertones of the voting on Brexit were racial undertones.”
Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
It's more than enough if your name is Sir Bobby Robson.
There was a gap of 11/12 years between reaching the world cup semi final and him being knighted, so it effectively became a lifetime achievement award.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Robson#Honours
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Southgate#Manager
Now, I think Robson's KBE was perhaps a little generous, but I think he qualified as a "national treasure".
However, the most sinister item was a home made effort: a body wrapped in black bin bags hanging from a gibbet.
Happy Halloween indeed!
Yes, he has an affable, easy manner and has been very good when doing stints on shows as banal at The One Show.
But isn’t he more a media journalist than a political one. Surely they’d want an established political journalist to take the role.
What would Milly-Molly-Mandy do otherwise?
Team Johnson: oh no we didn’t
https://twitter.com/TimRoss_1/status/1454818145731063814?s=20
"Recollections may vary"....
Everyone knows it's Sir Macca and Sir Fergie for example
https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1454832378829025283?t=KovSamOtR2iQ7E8ihS894A&s=19
The early vote is more rural and older than 2020 and 2017
https://twitter.com/CBeaune/status/1454739841380405248?s=20
Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sea-levels-rising-twice-as-fast-as-1990s-kj9jsktnr
If you accept a title and then want drop it when you're one of the few potential candidates to be PM then something is amiss.
I wonder if the government wants an excuse to bring in lots of new anti-protest laws. Maybe the met have been scarred by the Sarah Everard situation. I don't know. I just find it unfathomable.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/24/why-arent-we-in-prison-ask-insulate-britain-protesters
Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.
I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
If you want to be PM - and have already accepted a knighthood - then you just have to accept being called "Sir".
We'll all be calling him Keith soon enough anyway.
The early vote tallies are here by district:
https://www.vpap.org/elections/early-voting/november-2021-election/
Looking at a congressional district level, I would make the following comments:
The top 4 districts for absolute number of early votes are 10, 7, 8 and 1, with 4 and 11 not too far behind. Of the top 4, the 8th is very Democrat, the 10th moderately so, the 7th is a swing seat and the 1st is moderately Republican. In addition, the 4th and 11th are safe Democrat seats, particularly the 11th. So looking at that, you would say by district, the Democrats should be in a good spot.
However, the 10th is the seat of Loudoun County and has the highest number of early voters. Given all the school controversies there, one argument is that the controversy is driving up turnout amongst dissatisfied parents.
In addition, the 2nd, 5th and 6th seats are not too far behind the 4th and 11th for early voting. 2 of these are safe/ safe-ish / Republican and the other one (the 2nd) is a swing seat (R+1 according to the lean).
One thing I might also be worried about on the early vote counts is that the 3rd district, which is a Democrat stronghold, has low early voting turnout relative to other seats. The other seat worse is the 9th, which is heavily Republican, rural and where you would expect a heavy election day turnout.
I'm still happy with my Youngkin bet, I think he will squeeze it out but can also accept it could be a narrow McAuliffe win. As an outside bet, I have put Youngkin's margin at >2.5% at what was then 9/2 as an outside bet.
I entered my ten best puns, sure that one would win. But sadly no pun in ten did.