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Is Gareth Southgate going to follow in Sir Keir Starmer’s footsteps? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited October 31 in General
imageIs Gareth Southgate going to follow in Sir Keir Starmer’s footsteps? – politicalbetting.com

Just look at some of the sporting knighthoods awarded the last twenty-five years.

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  • Test.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,207
    Not this year. Maybe after he wins something, or even if he doesn't after he steps down from the role, but not while he's still in the job without the victory.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    Can't see it.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 7,197
    Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.
  • Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.

    Nah, it went well for him he played a crucial role in London 2012.
  • Still a bloody outrage that Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley were never knighted.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    Not to mention the World Cup is next year, and next year is not very far away.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,104

    Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.

    And let's not even talk about Sir Andrew Murray, the world No.1 at the time of his knighthood.

    Mind you I suppose you could argue his career effectively ended at that point given he's won fuck all since.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,477
    A quiet news day, clearly.
  • IanB2 said:

    A quiet news day, clearly.

    I just wanted to use this gag.

    He strikes me as the type of man who thinks getting past a semi after several decades of trying isn’t really worthy of an honour.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    edited October 31
    FPT:
    It took longer for Iceland to return to growth, and longer to recover its pre-2008 position.
    It terms of cumulative growth from 2007 onwards, it lagged behind the UK until 2016, where it overtook and has stayed ahead.

    from 2007
    2015: IS=+4.8%, UK=+7.9%
    2019: IS=+24.7%, UK=+14.6%
  • ydoethur said:

    Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.

    And let's not even talk about Sir Andrew Murray, the world No.1 at the time of his knighthood.

    Mind you I suppose you could argue his career effectively ended at that point given he's won fuck all since.
    His career went downhill the moment he backed Scottish independence.

    2 majors before and just 1 one afterwards.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,749
    rpjs said:
    "A study by a team from the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences and Peking Union Medical College in Beijing has suggested that SARS-CoV-2-related viruses are “extremely rare” in bats in China"

    Doesn't that lend more weight to the lab leak theory?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,104

    ydoethur said:

    Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.

    And let's not even talk about Sir Andrew Murray, the world No.1 at the time of his knighthood.

    Mind you I suppose you could argue his career effectively ended at that point given he's won fuck all since.
    His career went downhill the moment he backed Scottish independence.

    2 majors before and just 1 one afterwards.
    That's his punishment for being hip?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701
    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.
  • OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    In recent history the BBC go to ITV for their new political editor, usually an ex BBC person.

    So there's only one contender.

    Robert Peston!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676
    On the subject of sporting knighthoods, I like the cricket list...

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/cricketing-knights-60096

    My great grand uncle is in a Bradman-Hobbs sandwich.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,786
    edited October 31
    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    In recent history the BBC go to ITV for their new political editor, usually an ex BBC person.

    So there's only one contender.

    Robert Peston!
    Peston is an Oxford PPE so that fits.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446
    As TACKA Farooq mentioned, a 10pp rise in immigration means a 2.6% reduction in pay at the lower end of the wage scale, compared to less than 1% overall. The reality was that it was more like a 15-16pp increase in immigration from 2004-12 at that lower end, hence Brexit I’d say








    https://izajodm.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40176-017-0096-0
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    In recent history the BBC go to ITV for their new political editor, usually an ex BBC person.

    So there's only one contender.

    Robert Peston!
    He's 50-1, which seems remarkably long for the ITV equivalent.

    Sam Coates @ 16-1 looks tempting.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    edited October 31

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    In recent history the BBC go to ITV for their new political editor, usually an ex BBC person.

    So there's only one contender.

    Robert Peston!
    Worth it just for the implosion we'd see on this site. Make it happen.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
  • tlg86 said:

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    In recent history the BBC go to ITV for their new political editor, usually an ex BBC person.

    So there's only one contender.

    Robert Peston!
    He's 50-1, which seems remarkably long for the ITV equivalent.

    Sam Coates @ 16-1 looks tempting.
    I like Sam Coates a lot.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,180
    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    A massive Leaver?
  • isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
    True, yes.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 15,411

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
    Boris has taken over the knighting as well now, has he?
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    A massive Leaver?
    Sorry, Remainer!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,701

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
    Yes but the market is for this year (including the New Year Honours list).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,180
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    A massive Leaver?
    Sorry, Remainer!
    Did wonder.
    Was quite entertained by the idea of Gareth fulminating over the NI protocol and RTing GB News during training.
  • isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
    Yes but the market is for this year (including the New Year Honours list).
    I know, that's why I said backing No in this market.
  • dixiedean said:

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
    Boris has taken over the knighting as well now, has he?
    Give it time, especially if Brenda starts giving up more duties.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,180
    Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.
  • Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.

    Indeed, it seems terrible that in 2019 when England won the cricket world cup, who awarded the trophy at the presentation ceremony?


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,519

    Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.

    Why?

    Not that I want one.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,180
    edited October 31
    Foxy said:

    Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.

    Why?

    Not that I want one.
    As I said, if you're into that sort of thing; receive from old school model of duty and rectitude and mater of the nation for almost 70 years, or chap who fantasised about being a tampon?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,477
    Here's a thought experiment:

    Forget you ever knew anything about Boris.

    Just imagine you'd just boarded a plane, were ready for take off, and his voice comes over the intercom as the captain doing his spiel welcoming you to the flight.

    Tell me you wouldn't want to get off...
  • StockyStocky Posts: 7,025

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    You might want to match those odds against Smarket's offering.

    Stand-out bets for me are with Smarkets: Rajan 8.8, Fleming 15.5 and Mason @ 18.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 9,355
    Afternoon all :)

    Just back from my lunchtime constitutional round the streets of East Ham. Regrettably, that cultural abomination, "trick or treat" looks to be getting another outing. I suppose had this morning's rain fallen this evening we'd have been spared much of it.

    I suppose I could drone on ad nauseam and ad infinitum about the insidious Americanisation of Britain but what would be the point? The Europeans are both the new and the old enemy and because the US are not much cop at football, cricket or rugby (excluding 1950 in Brazil I imagine) we don't have the faux enmity on the sporting field we enjoy with the Australians, Canadians, West Indians and New Zealanders.

    I missed this morning's discussion on immigration - in my part of London, probably one of the cheapest, the arrival of workers from other parts of the EU after 2005 had an immediate impact. The early arrivals were the Poles and the Lithuanians (to a much lesser extent, Latvians and Estonians for some reason) and before long we had specialist food shops and the like for the growing community which initially soaked up the rental market and in time went into the home ownership market.

    Most of them have now gone - some have been absorbed into the community no doubt but my suspicion is the wage differential which brought them here (especially the skilled workers) has disappeared and they can now earn the kind of money in Poland they could in the UK - one of the benefits of the Single Market some might argue, the equalisation of incomes and costs.

    The second wave of incomers has been the Romanians and Bulgarians and they are now in East Ham. They too now have their specialist food shops, barber shops and the like and a network of vans to carry goods and people from the UK to Romania and Bulgaria.

    Has the UK leaving the EU made a big difference? Not really - most either applied legally for settled status or exist under the radar. We know the housing issues this has caused - multiple occupancy in homes, illegal dwellings in gardens etc. There's also rough sleeping especially in summer. However, there seems no doubt the wage differential between the UK and Romania/Bulgaria remains considerable.

    One side trend I have noticed is there was at one point quite an influx of sub-Saharan Africans primarily from the former Portuguese colonies who seemed to be able to enter the EU via Portugal and come to the UK. That has been turned off by the decision to leave the EU.

    All of this, in my area, is dwarfed by the population movements within the Tamil and Muslim communities as people come and go from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

    There are sluggish signs East Ham and Barking are moving "up" with the construction of new blocks of flats bringing a new wave of younger people into the area albeit for most of them on a rental or shared equity basis.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446
    edited October 31
    ...
    Stocky said:

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    You might want to match those odds against Smarket's offering.

    Stand-out bets for me are with Smarkets: Rajan 8.8, Fleming 15.5 and Mason @ 18.
    Amol Rajan comes across as a really nice bloke. I don't really watch the news much but I'd like him to get the job if he wants it
  • AslanAslan Posts: 703
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    A massive Leaver?
    Sorry, Remainer!
    Is he?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 7,025
    isam said:

    ...

    Stocky said:

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    You might want to match those odds against Smarket's offering.

    Stand-out bets for me are with Smarkets: Rajan 8.8, Fleming 15.5 and Mason @ 18.
    Amol Rajan comes across as a really nice bloke. I don't really watch the news much but I'd like him to get the job if he wants it
    Yes I agree. I've backed him - and Fleming too (who I also rate). I'm surprised Sopel is to high in the betting.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,323
    Mr. Isam, I remember him having an interesting chat with.... Frank Skinner, or someone like that. Came across as open-minded and honest.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Just back from my lunchtime constitutional round the streets of East Ham. Regrettably, that cultural abomination, "trick or treat" looks to be getting another outing. I suppose had this morning's rain fallen this evening we'd have been spared much of it.

    I suppose I could drone on ad nauseam and ad infinitum about the insidious Americanisation of Britain but what would be the point? The Europeans are both the new and the old enemy and because the US are not much cop at football, cricket or rugby (excluding 1950 in Brazil I imagine) we don't have the faux enmity on the sporting field we enjoy with the Australians, Canadians, West Indians and New Zealanders.

    I missed this morning's discussion on immigration - in my part of London, probably one of the cheapest, the arrival of workers from other parts of the EU after 2005 had an immediate impact. The early arrivals were the Poles and the Lithuanians (to a much lesser extent, Latvians and Estonians for some reason) and before long we had specialist food shops and the like for the growing community which initially soaked up the rental market and in time went into the home ownership market.

    Most of them have now gone - some have been absorbed into the community no doubt but my suspicion is the wage differential which brought them here (especially the skilled workers) has disappeared and they can now earn the kind of money in Poland they could in the UK - one of the benefits of the Single Market some might argue, the equalisation of incomes and costs.

    The second wave of incomers has been the Romanians and Bulgarians and they are now in East Ham. They too now have their specialist food shops, barber shops and the like and a network of vans to carry goods and people from the UK to Romania and Bulgaria.

    Has the UK leaving the EU made a big difference? Not really - most either applied legally for settled status or exist under the radar. We know the housing issues this has caused - multiple occupancy in homes, illegal dwellings in gardens etc. There's also rough sleeping especially in summer. However, there seems no doubt the wage differential between the UK and Romania/Bulgaria remains considerable.

    One side trend I have noticed is there was at one point quite an influx of sub-Saharan Africans primarily from the former Portuguese colonies who seemed to be able to enter the EU via Portugal and come to the UK. That has been turned off by the decision to leave the EU.

    All of this, in my area, is dwarfed by the population movements within the Tamil and Muslim communities as people come and go from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

    There are sluggish signs East Ham and Barking are moving "up" with the construction of new blocks of flats bringing a new wave of younger people into the area albeit for most of them on a rental or shared equity basis.

    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676
    Stocky said:

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    You might want to match those odds against Smarket's offering.

    Stand-out bets for me are with Smarkets: Rajan 8.8, Fleming 15.5 and Mason @ 18.
    Rajan is a media expert. Surely it will be someone with a political reporting background?
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446
    Aslan said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    A massive Leaver?
    Sorry, Remainer!
    Is he?
    "“I didn’t like the connotations around Brexit. There were some generational opinions about what modern Britain should look like. We felt that young people in particular would connect with our guys.

    Because they must have been confused after Brexit. Because for me a lot of the undertones of the voting on Brexit were racial undertones.”
  • stodgestodge Posts: 9,355
    Farooq said:


    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.

    Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.

    Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 7,025
    tlg86 said:

    Stocky said:

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    You might want to match those odds against Smarket's offering.

    Stand-out bets for me are with Smarkets: Rajan 8.8, Fleming 15.5 and Mason @ 18.
    Rajan is a media expert. Surely it will be someone with a political reporting background?
    I'd have Young as fav but I'm not attracted to back her at the odds.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,746
    Stocky said:

    tlg86 said:

    Stocky said:

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    You might want to match those odds against Smarket's offering.

    Stand-out bets for me are with Smarkets: Rajan 8.8, Fleming 15.5 and Mason @ 18.
    Rajan is a media expert. Surely it will be someone with a political reporting background?
    I'd have Young as fav but I'm not attracted to back her at the odds.
    I was quite cautious in the past on Rajan - trained and an ex-editor at the Indy - but for me in the last year or two he has improved significantly.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 15,411
    edited October 31
    stodge said:

    Farooq said:


    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.

    Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.

    Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
    If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,121
    "Getting to a world cup semi final and the final of the Euros doesn’t count."
    It's more than enough if your name is Sir Bobby Robson.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,602

    Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.

    Chas has been doing honours for years though. At risk of sounding like the other Chas he OBEed my mum back in 2000 ish, just cos it was his turn - HMQ not ill or away
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,602

    isam said:

    Actually I cut out the political angle from the thread header.

    There'd be some resistance from the Tory backbenchers, the likes of Brendan Clarke-Smith and Ben Bradley, who were triggered by Gareth Southgate backing the taking of the knee.

    Those traitorous tapeworms stopped supporting England as a result.

    Southgate is a massive Leaver and on the Labour side of the Culture War, so I cant imagine Boris would knight him. If Sir Keir becomes PM I reckon its a certainty
    If Southgate wins La Coupe du monde next year then it is inevitable that Boris Johnson has to knight him given the Ramsay and Woodward precedents.
    Better start encouraging his penalty takers to practise taking penalties then, hush ma big mouf.
  • eristdoof said:

    "Getting to a world cup semi final and the final of the Euros doesn’t count."
    It's more than enough if your name is Sir Bobby Robson.

    Bobby Robson never got us to the final of the Euros.

    There was a gap of 11/12 years between reaching the world cup semi final and him being knighted, so it effectively became a lifetime achievement award.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676
    eristdoof said:

    "Getting to a world cup semi final and the final of the Euros doesn’t count."
    It's more than enough if your name is Sir Bobby Robson.

    Compare and contrast

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Robson#Honours
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Southgate#Manager

    Now, I think Robson's KBE was perhaps a little generous, but I think he qualified as a "national treasure".
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,180
    IshmaelZ said:

    Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.

    Chas has been doing honours for years though. At risk of sounding like the other Chas he OBEed my mum back in 2000 ish, just cos it was his turn - HMQ not ill or away
    I'd even think who did the actual ceremony would be a thing for some people, but doesn't the honour come from the reigning monarch regardless of who waves the sword about? Did your mum have an opinion on it or not bothered?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,180
    edited October 31
    Farooq said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Just back from my lunchtime constitutional round the streets of East Ham. Regrettably, that cultural abomination, "trick or treat" looks to be getting another outing. I suppose had this morning's rain fallen this evening we'd have been spared much of it.

    I suppose I could drone on ad nauseam and ad infinitum about the insidious Americanisation of Britain but what would be the point? The Europeans are both the new and the old enemy and because the US are not much cop at football, cricket or rugby (excluding 1950 in Brazil I imagine) we don't have the faux enmity on the sporting field we enjoy with the Australians, Canadians, West Indians and New Zealanders.

    I missed this morning's discussion on immigration - in my part of London, probably one of the cheapest, the arrival of workers from other parts of the EU after 2005 had an immediate impact. The early arrivals were the Poles and the Lithuanians (to a much lesser extent, Latvians and Estonians for some reason) and before long we had specialist food shops and the like for the growing community which initially soaked up the rental market and in time went into the home ownership market.

    Most of them have now gone - some have been absorbed into the community no doubt but my suspicion is the wage differential which brought them here (especially the skilled workers) has disappeared and they can now earn the kind of money in Poland they could in the UK - one of the benefits of the Single Market some might argue, the equalisation of incomes and costs.

    The second wave of incomers has been the Romanians and Bulgarians and they are now in East Ham. They too now have their specialist food shops, barber shops and the like and a network of vans to carry goods and people from the UK to Romania and Bulgaria.

    Has the UK leaving the EU made a big difference? Not really - most either applied legally for settled status or exist under the radar. We know the housing issues this has caused - multiple occupancy in homes, illegal dwellings in gardens etc. There's also rough sleeping especially in summer. However, there seems no doubt the wage differential between the UK and Romania/Bulgaria remains considerable.

    One side trend I have noticed is there was at one point quite an influx of sub-Saharan Africans primarily from the former Portuguese colonies who seemed to be able to enter the EU via Portugal and come to the UK. That has been turned off by the decision to leave the EU.

    All of this, in my area, is dwarfed by the population movements within the Tamil and Muslim communities as people come and go from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

    There are sluggish signs East Ham and Barking are moving "up" with the construction of new blocks of flats bringing a new wave of younger people into the area albeit for most of them on a rental or shared equity basis.

    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
    It's even literally called 'guising' in my and I think your neck of the woods.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,602

    IshmaelZ said:

    Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.

    Chas has been doing honours for years though. At risk of sounding like the other Chas he OBEed my mum back in 2000 ish, just cos it was his turn - HMQ not ill or away
    I'd even think who did the actual ceremony would be a thing for some people, but doesn't the honour come from the reigning monarch regardless of who waves the sword about? Did your mum have an opinion on it or not bothered?
    No problem with it and yes you are right the honour is technically from the sovereign
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 15,273
    Plenty of Halloween tat has made it through the Felixstowe container logjam, judging by the stuff festooning so many of the houses round our way.

    However, the most sinister item was a home made effort: a body wrapped in black bin bags hanging from a gibbet.

    Happy Halloween indeed!
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707
    Looking at the India NZ game, I get the feeling that, in this tournament, 140 is a minimal score to really have a chance of defending.
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,459
    isam said:

    ...

    Stocky said:

    OT-ish Star Sports has a market on who will replace Laura Kuenssberg as BBC political editor. I'm staying out.

    Jon Sopel 2/1
    Amol Rajan 4/1
    Vicki Young 4/1
    Adam Fleming 6/1
    Emily Maitlis 7/1
    Lewis Goodall 7/1
    Faisal Islam 8/1
    Chris Mason 9/1
    Ben Brown 11/1
    Alex Forsyth 12/1
    14/1 bar

    https://starsports.bet/sport/politics under politics specials.

    You might want to match those odds against Smarket's offering.

    Stand-out bets for me are with Smarkets: Rajan 8.8, Fleming 15.5 and Mason @ 18.
    Amol Rajan comes across as a really nice bloke. I don't really watch the news much but I'd like him to get the job if he wants it

    Yes, he has an affable, easy manner and has been very good when doing stints on shows as banal at The One Show.

    But isn’t he more a media journalist than a political one. Surely they’d want an established political journalist to take the role.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,746
    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    Farooq said:


    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.

    Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.

    Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
    If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
    Lacrosse, their national sport.

    What would Milly-Molly-Mandy do otherwise?
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142

    Farooq said:

    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Just back from my lunchtime constitutional round the streets of East Ham. Regrettably, that cultural abomination, "trick or treat" looks to be getting another outing. I suppose had this morning's rain fallen this evening we'd have been spared much of it.

    I suppose I could drone on ad nauseam and ad infinitum about the insidious Americanisation of Britain but what would be the point? The Europeans are both the new and the old enemy and because the US are not much cop at football, cricket or rugby (excluding 1950 in Brazil I imagine) we don't have the faux enmity on the sporting field we enjoy with the Australians, Canadians, West Indians and New Zealanders.

    I missed this morning's discussion on immigration - in my part of London, probably one of the cheapest, the arrival of workers from other parts of the EU after 2005 had an immediate impact. The early arrivals were the Poles and the Lithuanians (to a much lesser extent, Latvians and Estonians for some reason) and before long we had specialist food shops and the like for the growing community which initially soaked up the rental market and in time went into the home ownership market.

    Most of them have now gone - some have been absorbed into the community no doubt but my suspicion is the wage differential which brought them here (especially the skilled workers) has disappeared and they can now earn the kind of money in Poland they could in the UK - one of the benefits of the Single Market some might argue, the equalisation of incomes and costs.

    The second wave of incomers has been the Romanians and Bulgarians and they are now in East Ham. They too now have their specialist food shops, barber shops and the like and a network of vans to carry goods and people from the UK to Romania and Bulgaria.

    Has the UK leaving the EU made a big difference? Not really - most either applied legally for settled status or exist under the radar. We know the housing issues this has caused - multiple occupancy in homes, illegal dwellings in gardens etc. There's also rough sleeping especially in summer. However, there seems no doubt the wage differential between the UK and Romania/Bulgaria remains considerable.

    One side trend I have noticed is there was at one point quite an influx of sub-Saharan Africans primarily from the former Portuguese colonies who seemed to be able to enter the EU via Portugal and come to the UK. That has been turned off by the decision to leave the EU.

    All of this, in my area, is dwarfed by the population movements within the Tamil and Muslim communities as people come and go from India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

    There are sluggish signs East Ham and Barking are moving "up" with the construction of new blocks of flats bringing a new wave of younger people into the area albeit for most of them on a rental or shared equity basis.

    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.
    It's even literally called 'guising' in my and I think your neck of the woods.
    Yeah, the whole point of my post was to slip that pun in there.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    I keep forgetting to call him Sir Lewis Hamilton
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 15,273
    On topic, anyone who spends half their career working in Middlesbrough deserves a knighthood.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 3,636
    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    Farooq said:


    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.

    Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.

    Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
    If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
    Who can say sorry the most times when been bumped into by somebody else?
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707

    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    Farooq said:


    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.

    Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.

    Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
    If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
    Who can say sorry the most times when been bumped into by somebody else?
    It used to be the pleasantness of our police, but they win that hands down these days
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 3,636
    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    Farooq said:


    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.

    Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.

    Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
    If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
    Lacrosse, their national sport.

    What would Milly-Molly-Mandy do otherwise?
    I always thought the national sport of Canada was Ice Hockey (or just Hockey to them)
  • TimTTimT Posts: 4,707

    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    Farooq said:


    Trick or treating - not by that name but under a different guise - has a longer history than America and is not an import.

    Thank you for the absurd nit-picking.

    Most sensible people will understand and recognise the term in the context of how it happens in America and yes, I am aware there were customs which occurred in earlier times.
    If we are absurdly nit-picking, what great sporting rivalry do we have with Canada?
    Lacrosse, their national sport.

    What would Milly-Molly-Mandy do otherwise?
    I always thought the national sport of Canada was Ice Hockey (or just Hockey to them)
    And curling.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 51,940
    Team Macron: we agreed to try to stop disagreeing
    Team Johnson: oh no we didn’t


    https://twitter.com/TimRoss_1/status/1454818145731063814?s=20

    "Recollections may vary"....
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    Perhaps Sir Lewis got his title a little too early - he still might beat Schumi's record this year.

    Everyone knows it's Sir Macca and Sir Fergie for example
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,749

    Team Macron: we agreed to try to stop disagreeing
    Team Johnson: oh no we didn’t


    https://twitter.com/TimRoss_1/status/1454818145731063814?s=20

    "Recollections may vary"....

    It sounds more like Macron agreed to back down and then put out a statement claiming "mutual de-escalation" as a way to save face.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    Maybe he does it just to annoy you
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480

    Sports-related knighthoods should be awarded after the person retires, so a cool assessment can be made of his achievements. Moreover if awarded mid-career it can seem like a curse. It all went a bit crap for Sir Clive Woodward for example.

    so far he has done nothing, but that is no obstacle for Tories, a bung and he will be a certainty
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    Maybe he does it just to annoy you
    That would be "delusions of grandeur"
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,749
    38,009 coronavirus cases and 74 deaths
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 34,480
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Not to be morbid, but I'd imagine if you're into that sort of thing you'd want your K conferred by HMQ rather than heirs & successors.

    Chas has been doing honours for years though. At risk of sounding like the other Chas he OBEed my mum back in 2000 ish, just cos it was his turn - HMQ not ill or away
    I'd even think who did the actual ceremony would be a thing for some people, but doesn't the honour come from the reigning monarch regardless of who waves the sword about? Did your mum have an opinion on it or not bothered?
    No problem with it and yes you are right the honour is technically from the sovereign
    It is pure bollox, bit like when the americans used to give the native indians beads and firewater
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
    Virginia betting news

    https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1454832378829025283?t=KovSamOtR2iQ7E8ihS894A&s=19

    The early vote is more rural and older than 2020 and 2017
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    Maybe he does it just to annoy you
    That would be "delusions of grandeur"
    You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction:
    What's it to you?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    Alistair said:

    Virginia betting news

    https://twitter.com/tbonier/status/1454832378829025283?t=KovSamOtR2iQ7E8ihS894A&s=19

    The early vote is more rural and older than 2020 and 2017

    Let's Go Brandon!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
    Also Bonier pointa oit that there is not much high quality polling for the election. The recent glut of polls has all been GOP think tanks.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    Maybe he does it just to annoy you
    That would be "delusions of grandeur"
    You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction:
    What's it to you?
    I'm anti Blair's party and fairly sure Keith is utilising loopholes so that he comes across as more common for the sake of working class votes.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 51,940

    Team Macron: we agreed to try to stop disagreeing
    Team Johnson: oh no we didn’t


    https://twitter.com/TimRoss_1/status/1454818145731063814?s=20

    "Recollections may vary"....

    It sounds more like Macron agreed to back down and then put out a statement claiming "mutual de-escalation" as a way to save face.
    Macron hasn't said much on the issue outside the FT interview - Clement Beaune has been making the running:

    https://twitter.com/CBeaune/status/1454739841380405248?s=20
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,207
    It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.

    Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446
    What have we done to the earth? What have we done to our fair sister? Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sea-levels-rising-twice-as-fast-as-1990s-kj9jsktnr
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 2,142
    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    Maybe he does it just to annoy you
    That would be "delusions of grandeur"
    You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction:
    What's it to you?
    I'm anti Blair's party and fairly sure Keith is utilising loopholes so that he comes across as more common for the sake of working class votes.
    Tribalist wittering, then.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    edited October 31
    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    Maybe he does it just to annoy you
    That would be "delusions of grandeur"
    You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction:
    What's it to you?
    I'm anti Blair's party and fairly sure Keith is utilising loopholes so that he comes across as more common for the sake of working class votes.
    Tribalist wittering, then.
    Perhaps - But my point is valid enough.

    If you accept a title and then want drop it when you're one of the few potential candidates to be PM then something is amiss.
  • felixfelix Posts: 13,714
    IanB2 said:

    Here's a thought experiment:

    Forget you ever knew anything about Boris.

    Just imagine you'd just boarded a plane, were ready for take off, and his voice comes over the intercom as the captain doing his spiel welcoming you to the flight.

    Tell me you wouldn't want to get off...

    Good lord you need help.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779

    It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.

    Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.

    If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 38,586
    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    :lol:

    image
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446
    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    Maybe he does it just to annoy you
    That would be "delusions of grandeur"
    You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction:
    What's it to you?
    I'm anti Blair's party and fairly sure Keith is utilising loopholes so that he comes across as more common for the sake of working class votes.
    Tribalist wittering, then.
    Perhaps - But my point is valid enough.

    If you accept a title and then want drop it when you're one of the few potential candidates to be PM then something is amiss.
    Being honest about going to a private school and advertising the facthe is a knight of the realm isn't going to help Labour's efforts to contrast themselves with the Tories as out of touch posh boys though
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,749

    Team Macron: we agreed to try to stop disagreeing
    Team Johnson: oh no we didn’t


    https://twitter.com/TimRoss_1/status/1454818145731063814?s=20

    "Recollections may vary"....

    It sounds more like Macron agreed to back down and then put out a statement claiming "mutual de-escalation" as a way to save face.
    Macron hasn't said much on the issue outside the FT interview - Clement Beaune has been making the running:

    https://twitter.com/CBeaune/status/1454739841380405248?s=20
    Based on the publicly available facts, it looks like France has manoeuvred itself into a position where it has a choice between backing down and looking silly, or doubling down and not only looking silly but also splitting the EU.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779
    isam said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    If SKS want's to just be known as Keir Starmer in the chamber he should have the good grace to relinquish his title.

    Maybe he does it just to annoy you
    That would be "delusions of grandeur"
    You're quite right. Let's go in the other direction:
    What's it to you?
    I'm anti Blair's party and fairly sure Keith is utilising loopholes so that he comes across as more common for the sake of working class votes.
    Tribalist wittering, then.
    Perhaps - But my point is valid enough.

    If you accept a title and then want drop it when you're one of the few potential candidates to be PM then something is amiss.
    Being honest about going to a private school and advertising the facthe is a knight of the realm isn't going to help Labour's efforts to contrast themselves with the Tories as out of touch posh boys though
    Indeed - the farce has to stop - He should be known as SKS in the chamber or relnquish the title.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 4,839
    Can anyone explain the police's behaviour on Insulate Britain? Why has no-one been charged? Why does the government need to bring in injunctions around protest? Surely there is no need to do this. There must be existing laws around blocking highways that they could be charged under.

    I wonder if the government wants an excuse to bring in lots of new anti-protest laws. Maybe the met have been scarred by the Sarah Everard situation. I don't know. I just find it unfathomable.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/24/why-arent-we-in-prison-ask-insulate-britain-protesters
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,207
    JBriskin3 said:

    It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.

    Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.

    If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
    Absolutely preposterous bollocks.

    Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.

    I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,104

    JBriskin3 said:

    It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.

    Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.

    If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
    Absolutely preposterous bollocks.

    Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.

    I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
    I have 30 characters after my name. I only use them when parents are really getting up my nose.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 779

    JBriskin3 said:

    It is as pathetic to be bothered by Keir wanting to be known as Keir instead of Sir Keir, as it is to be bothered by Boris wanting to be known as Boris instead of Johnson.

    Whatever given name people want to go by, that's up to them and I couldn't care less. Whether that be Keir, Boris, or Josephine but only on Saturdays.

    If Keith didn't want to be known as SKS - and especicialy if he's LOTO - he should not have accepted the title.
    Absolutely preposterous bollocks.

    Sometimes you see people write their names out with all sorts of acronyms of their titles etc that they have but most of the time people don't.

    I have an honours degree and a Masters degree that means I could put those titles in my name if I wanted to, but I wouldn't unless it was absolutely relevant because it's preposterous to do so in normal circumstances.
    Not sure equating your job roles with that of a potential PM is that relevant.

    If you want to be PM - and have already accepted a knighthood - then you just have to accept being called "Sir".

    We'll all be calling him Keith soon enough anyway.
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