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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @helenlewis
    Tell me you've never worked behind a bar without telling me you've never worked behind a bar.

    Johnson never does detail.

    Even when pulling a pint.
    Tbf he nails the ‘what the fuck is that who cares I’m slightly pissed’ gaze really well. And that is the gaze of the trainee barkeep at the student union bar on day 2 of the job, shortly before being sacked

    Sunak looks much less believable

    I wonder if this is a hidden aspect to Boris’ appeal. He always comes across as someone who has had a couple, and is sort-of trying to hide it, or is just letting rip and doesn’t care

    The British do love a genial drunk
    Yeah, we all make space for the genial drunk to sit next to us on the bus...don't we?
    Emphasis on genial.

    Otherwise agreed. For a bus journey I’d probably prefer Sunak in the next seat. He’d sit there quietly working then go. Without a word. Also he’s 2 foot 6 so he wouldn’t take up much space

    But when I turn on the telly Or fire up the iPad i am always, in some form, seeking entertainment. Drunken Boris provides that

    Note that we also forgive drunken people more than we forgive the sober. Keir Starmer is quintessentially sober. So he gets judged as such. Boris can say mad shit and many smile and say ‘well, he’s always half-cut, isn’t he? Who hasn’t been there?’

    In this, if nothing else, he really does resemble Churchill
    "Note that we also forgive drunken people more than we forgive the sober" is an unforgivable remark. Are you drunk!?
    No it isn't. There's a list as long as your arm of English law offences to which drunkenness is a defence.
    Is that so? I genuinely didn't know that. Any examples?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,919

    Omnium said:

    https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453282468199608327?t=cYIN67QBOp77jPlI_QzqOg

    Tories haven't mentioned this, I wonder why?

    Labour lead soon

    I think it was posted earlier today CHB. Not gone unnoticed by this Tory anyway.
    Hope you are well.

    Keir Starmer is doing a good job.
    The one thing we can say that by isolating today he gave Rachel Reeves the opportunity and she took it, as he would not have been nearly as good
    Actually I think that's a bit unfair Big_G. I doubt RR would have done well if the Labour front bench was imploding. Admittedly I don't think she actually did that well anyway, but there was certainly a degree of confidence and that's certainly down to Starmer in part.

    I don't see Starmer as doing terribly well overall, but I do think he's found a few people that he can trust on his front bench now.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,072

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1453395974794194950

    Sure you'll all join me in sending Keir our best

    Of course. I wish him a full and speedy recovery with no after,effects.
  • HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453282468199608327?t=cYIN67QBOp77jPlI_QzqOg

    Tories haven't mentioned this, I wonder why?

    Labour lead soon

    It was mentioned earlier, it would lead to a hung parliament on the new boundaries but the Tories would still have most seats and could form a minority government if the DUP (or TUV) at least abstained and SF did not take their seats
    No way Tories would stay on having lost so many voters, Keir Starmer would be PM and then another election
    On the new boundaries I think that polling share means the Tories have ~315 seats which would be enough for a Tory minority government like 2017. Starmer couldn't be PM in that situation any more than Corbyn could be.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,333
    @DavidGHFrost
    It is very disappointing that France has felt it necessary to make threats late this evening against the UK fishing industry and seemingly traders more broadly.

    We set out our position earlier this evening.

    As we have had no formal communication from the French Government on this matter we will be seeking urgent clarification of their plans. We will consider what further action is necessary in that light.


    https://twitter.com/DavidGHFrost/status/1453449084245889032
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,690
    edited October 2021

    Tories are muppets, utterly in denial.

    Labour lead nailed on. I put another £500 on this evening.

    The saying goes 'a fool and their money are soon parted' and in view of the money you have put on this I really hope it does not apply to you
  • IshmaelZ said:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1453395974794194950

    Sure you'll all join me in sending Keir our best

    I shan't sleep a wink till I have heard he's pulled through.

    Where is your lab polling lead 2021 bet?
    Haven't won it yet but I've got £3500 on now, probably going to leave it there for a bit
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,919

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @helenlewis
    Tell me you've never worked behind a bar without telling me you've never worked behind a bar.

    Johnson never does detail.

    Even when pulling a pint.
    Tbf he nails the ‘what the fuck is that who cares I’m slightly pissed’ gaze really well. And that is the gaze of the trainee barkeep at the student union bar on day 2 of the job, shortly before being sacked

    Sunak looks much less believable

    I wonder if this is a hidden aspect to Boris’ appeal. He always comes across as someone who has had a couple, and is sort-of trying to hide it, or is just letting rip and doesn’t care

    The British do love a genial drunk
    Yeah, we all make space for the genial drunk to sit next to us on the bus...don't we?
    Emphasis on genial.

    Otherwise agreed. For a bus journey I’d probably prefer Sunak in the next seat. He’d sit there quietly working then go. Without a word. Also he’s 2 foot 6 so he wouldn’t take up much space

    But when I turn on the telly Or fire up the iPad i am always, in some form, seeking entertainment. Drunken Boris provides that

    Note that we also forgive drunken people more than we forgive the sober. Keir Starmer is quintessentially sober. So he gets judged as such. Boris can say mad shit and many smile and say ‘well, he’s always half-cut, isn’t he? Who hasn’t been there?’

    In this, if nothing else, he really does resemble Churchill
    "Note that we also forgive drunken people more than we forgive the sober" is an unforgivable remark. Are you drunk!?
    No it isn't. There's a list as long as your arm of English law offences to which drunkenness is a defence.
    Is that so? I genuinely didn't know that. Any examples?
    Drunk in charge of a bicycle! (Or so I've always believed)
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1453395974794194950

    Sure you'll all join me in sending Keir our best

    I shan't sleep a wink till I have heard he's pulled through.

    Where is your lab polling lead 2021 bet?
    Haven't won it yet but I've got £3500 on now, probably going to leave it there for a bit
    Yes, but is it a private bet or on offer to the public?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,072
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453282468199608327?t=cYIN67QBOp77jPlI_QzqOg

    Tories haven't mentioned this, I wonder why?

    Labour lead soon

    I think it was posted earlier today CHB. Not gone unnoticed by this Tory anyway.
    Hope you are well.

    Keir Starmer is doing a good job.
    The one thing we can say that by isolating today he gave Rachel Reeves the opportunity and she took it, as he would not have been nearly as good
    Actually I think that's a bit unfair Big_G. I doubt RR would have done well if the Labour front bench was imploding. Admittedly I don't think she actually did that well anyway, but there was certainly a degree of confidence and that's certainly down to Starmer in part.

    I don't see Starmer as doing terribly well overall, but I do think he's found a few people that he can trust on his front bench now.
    He has a more competent front bench than his predecessor for sure. I thought Reeves did okay but it wasn’t a stellar performance. Same with the chancellor.
  • Tories are muppets, utterly in denial.

    Labour lead nailed on. I put another £500 on this evening.

    Which bookie is this bet with? What odds is it?

    Depending upon the odds I could be tempted to take the other side of the bet allowing you to get more value if the bookie is offering both sides.
  • Omnium said:

    https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453282468199608327?t=cYIN67QBOp77jPlI_QzqOg

    Tories haven't mentioned this, I wonder why?

    Labour lead soon

    I think it was posted earlier today CHB. Not gone unnoticed by this Tory anyway.
    Hope you are well.

    Keir Starmer is doing a good job.
    The one thing we can say that by isolating today he gave Rachel Reeves the opportunity and she took it, as he would not have been nearly as good
    That can play one of two ways.

    One is that Boris is the Great Leader, and SKS isn't.

    The other is that Starmer is surrounded by a circle of more than OK people. Much more so than BoJo. Reeves is good, EdM is good at his current level. Nandy's good. Symonds-Thomas is certainly no worse than Patel.

    They're different ways of doing politics, and I don't know which one will work better with the public.

    But Labour's team now is a lot less unconvincing than the one they put forward in 2019.

    The trick for anyone trying to depose BoJo is finding a way of being fundamentally different to the incumbent. Otherwise, why make the change?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    edited October 2021

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453282468199608327?t=cYIN67QBOp77jPlI_QzqOg

    Tories haven't mentioned this, I wonder why?

    Labour lead soon

    It was mentioned earlier, it would lead to a hung parliament on the new boundaries but the Tories would still have most seats and could form a minority government if the DUP (or TUV) at least abstained and SF did not take their seats
    No way Tories would stay on having lost so many voters, Keir Starmer would be PM and then another election
    Of course they would stay on, they would have more than Labour + SNP + LDs combined. Though if Labour squeeze the Greens they might have enough seats for a deal with the SNP and LDs even if the Tories win most seats.

    Otherwise Labour need a lead of about 3%+ to win most seats absent a major SLab recovery in Scotland and a lead over the Tories of 10%+ for a majority.

  • Tories are muppets, utterly in denial.

    Labour lead nailed on. I put another £500 on this evening.

    Are you drunk?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    Omnium said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @helenlewis
    Tell me you've never worked behind a bar without telling me you've never worked behind a bar.

    Johnson never does detail.

    Even when pulling a pint.
    Tbf he nails the ‘what the fuck is that who cares I’m slightly pissed’ gaze really well. And that is the gaze of the trainee barkeep at the student union bar on day 2 of the job, shortly before being sacked

    Sunak looks much less believable

    I wonder if this is a hidden aspect to Boris’ appeal. He always comes across as someone who has had a couple, and is sort-of trying to hide it, or is just letting rip and doesn’t care

    The British do love a genial drunk
    Yeah, we all make space for the genial drunk to sit next to us on the bus...don't we?
    Emphasis on genial.

    Otherwise agreed. For a bus journey I’d probably prefer Sunak in the next seat. He’d sit there quietly working then go. Without a word. Also he’s 2 foot 6 so he wouldn’t take up much space

    But when I turn on the telly Or fire up the iPad i am always, in some form, seeking entertainment. Drunken Boris provides that

    Note that we also forgive drunken people more than we forgive the sober. Keir Starmer is quintessentially sober. So he gets judged as such. Boris can say mad shit and many smile and say ‘well, he’s always half-cut, isn’t he? Who hasn’t been there?’

    In this, if nothing else, he really does resemble Churchill
    "Note that we also forgive drunken people more than we forgive the sober" is an unforgivable remark. Are you drunk!?
    No it isn't. There's a list as long as your arm of English law offences to which drunkenness is a defence.
    Is that so? I genuinely didn't know that. Any examples?
    Drunk in charge of a bicycle! (Or so I've always believed)
    Hang on... being drunk is a recognised defence against the charge of being drunk in charge of a bicycle?

    Struggling to make sense of that one tbh.
  • I've been reflecting on the Budget, and have concluded that for the vast majority of the British public it is a complete non-event, with precisely zero ramifications for household budgets at a time of rising costs. By this, I mean that there is very little, if any, tangible impact from the measures announced in the here and now, which is unusual for a Budget. This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC, but for everybody else, I think it's "so what?" - particularly for the 'squeezed middle'. Even the alcohol duty changes, which I think are not very significant actually, don't come into effect until 2023. For voters, most of the measures are a bit abstract.

    So, the budget is either:

    a) clever politics by Rishi - steady as she goes, or
    b) a missed opportunity to make his stamp as an interesting and innovative Chancellor.

    At the moment, I'm running with the latter.

    I think you are missing that benefits and pensions will rise by 3.1% on the 1st April and with the NLW rising by 6.6% to £9.50 then earnings in April will see quite an uplift but of course inflation will be in the mix
  • Tories are muppets, utterly in denial.

    Labour lead nailed on. I put another £500 on this evening.

    Are you drunk?
    Not at all. Just very confident in this bet.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,072
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453282468199608327?t=cYIN67QBOp77jPlI_QzqOg

    Tories haven't mentioned this, I wonder why?

    Labour lead soon

    It was mentioned earlier, it would lead to a hung parliament on the new boundaries but the Tories would still have most seats and could form a minority government if the DUP (or TUV) at least abstained and SF did not take their seats
    No way Tories would stay on having lost so many voters, Keir Starmer would be PM and then another election
    Of course they would stay on, they would have more than Labour + SNP + LDs combined. Though if Labour squeeze the Greens they might have enough seats for a deal with the SNP and LDs even if the Tories win most seats.

    Otherwise need a lead of about 3%+ to win most seats and a lead over the Tories of 10%+ for a majority.

    Any labour deal with the SNP would probably have to include an Indy referendum as a part of it, with the risks that would entail. So would labour go for that.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    So they should be entitled to demand what they want without providing proof they qualify? And unilaterally introduce trade sanctions despite the EU being the signatory to the agreement not them.

    Who was talking about good faith again?
  • Tories are muppets, utterly in denial.

    Labour lead nailed on. I put another £500 on this evening.

    Are you drunk?
    Not at all. Just very confident in this bet.
    Is it a private bet with someone? Because no bookie seems to be offering that bet, let alone a bookie willing to take £3500 off one person on it.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723

    I've been reflecting on the Budget, and have concluded that for the vast majority of the British public it is a complete non-event, with precisely zero ramifications for household budgets at a time of rising costs. By this, I mean that there is very little, if any, tangible impact from the measures announced in the here and now, which is unusual for a Budget. This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC, but for everybody else, I think it's "so what?" - particularly for the 'squeezed middle'. Even the alcohol duty changes, which I think are not very significant actually, don't come into effect until 2023. For voters, most of the measures are a bit abstract.

    So, the budget is either:

    a) clever politics by Rishi - steady as she goes, or
    b) a missed opportunity to make his stamp as an interesting and innovative Chancellor.

    At the moment, I'm running with the latter.

    Indeed. Significant numbers of people won't even notice the increases in public spending.

    Someone on here will be able to search the polls but from memory around 30% to 35% were completely unaware of Osborne's austerity at the time.

    Now of course Con need more than that to win the GE but it does feel as if there was no need to be this generous with public spending - and if he hadn't been he could have ditched some of the tax rises previously announced.

    Although borrowing forecasts have gone down so maybe he's planning to bin some of the tax rises next year, nearer the GE.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    OT any caviar experts? How much do you need for canapes for six? And what's the best way to serve? I was thinking Ritz crackers with smoked salmon and caviar on top but noticed James Bond had toast soldiers.

    Serve on mother-of-pearl spoons and serve the eggs quite cold and neat

    Good caviar is heaven. Diluting the taste with chunks of flatbread and salmon and sour cream is hellish and wrong

    Ice cold shots of pure vodka are the best accompaniment. Vodka has no flavor. All you get is the caviar

    I was taught this by the expert caviarologist at the Belmond Hotel, St Petersburg, so I know it is The Truth

    As for quantity, just buy as much as you can comfortably afford. Caviar is like cocaine. People will always want more, once they get the taste
    If this caviarologist says that is the only way to eat caviar then what else does he actually do?
    …. Is a very good question. He only made this admission after about an hour of faffing around with ‘special caviar pairings’ with vintage champagne and chopped boiled egg and weird shallots and the rest.

    He kind of sighed and then made his confession. It was all bollocks, designed to fleece wealthy customers with additional flummery. He loved caviar and it distressed him to see it diluted with stupid blinis

    Then we all got hammered on vodka. And mainlined the Beluga
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,095
    edited October 2021
    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453282468199608327?t=cYIN67QBOp77jPlI_QzqOg

    Tories haven't mentioned this, I wonder why?

    Labour lead soon

    It was mentioned earlier, it would lead to a hung parliament on the new boundaries but the Tories would still have most seats and could form a minority government if the DUP (or TUV) at least abstained and SF did not take their seats
    No way Tories would stay on having lost so many voters, Keir Starmer would be PM and then another election
    Of course they would stay on, they would have more than Labour + SNP + LDs combined. Though if Labour squeeze the Greens they might have enough seats for a deal with the SNP and LDs even if the Tories win most seats.

    Otherwise need a lead of about 3%+ to win most seats and a lead over the Tories of 10%+ for a majority.

    Any labour deal with the SNP would probably have to include an Indy referendum as a part of it, with the risks that would entail. So would labour go for that.
    They would have to if the Tories win most seats, otherwise the SNP would abstain and Starmer would fail to become PM.

    Most likely if the Tories win most seats in a hung parliament but Labour + SNP + LDs have more seats than the Tories and DUP (or TUV) then Starmer would offer the SNP indyref2 in return for confidence and supply with devomax as a carrot to Scots to again vote No
  • Charles said:

    So they should be entitled to demand what they want without providing proof they qualify? And unilaterally introduce trade sanctions despite the EU being the signatory to the agreement not them.

    Who was talking about good faith again?
    That's an amusing point. I thought we could only negotiate with the EU as one, not have 27 different negotiations.

    But now the French aren't happy they want us to deal with them directly? Funny how that works.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,484

    I've been reflecting on the Budget, and have concluded that for the vast majority of the British public it is a complete non-event, with precisely zero ramifications for household budgets at a time of rising costs. By this, I mean that there is very little, if any, tangible impact from the measures announced in the here and now, which is unusual for a Budget. This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC, but for everybody else, I think it's "so what?" - particularly for the 'squeezed middle'. Even the alcohol duty changes, which I think are not very significant actually, don't come into effect until 2023. For voters, most of the measures are a bit abstract.

    So, the budget is either:

    a) clever politics by Rishi - steady as she goes, or
    b) a missed opportunity to make his stamp as an interesting and innovative Chancellor.

    At the moment, I'm running with the latter.

    I think you are missing that benefits and pensions will rise by 3.1% on the 1st April and with the NLW rising by 6.6% to £9.50 then earnings in April will see quite an uplift but of course inflation will be in the mix
    Have you read my post? "This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC...".
  • I've been reflecting on the Budget, and have concluded that for the vast majority of the British public it is a complete non-event, with precisely zero ramifications for household budgets at a time of rising costs. By this, I mean that there is very little, if any, tangible impact from the measures announced in the here and now, which is unusual for a Budget. This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC, but for everybody else, I think it's "so what?" - particularly for the 'squeezed middle'. Even the alcohol duty changes, which I think are not very significant actually, don't come into effect until 2023. For voters, most of the measures are a bit abstract.

    So, the budget is either:

    a) clever politics by Rishi - steady as she goes, or
    b) a missed opportunity to make his stamp as an interesting and innovative Chancellor.

    At the moment, I'm running with the latter.

    I think you are missing that benefits and pensions will rise by 3.1% on the 1st April and with the NLW rising by 6.6% to £9.50 then earnings in April will see quite an uplift but of course inflation will be in the mix
    Have you read my post? "This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC...".
    Fair comment
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    OT any caviar experts? How much do you need for canapes for six? And what's the best way to serve? I was thinking Ritz crackers with smoked salmon and caviar on top but noticed James Bond had toast soldiers.

    Blinis, sour cream, sliced egg whites and raw onion
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,228
    kle4 said:

    The French government has issued an official press release threatening to cut the UK's electricity supply if we don't give them more fishing licences.

    https://twitter.com/CBeaune/status/1453427936372183040

    Sounds proportionate. That's how you keep the moral high ground.
    Absolutely. This seems a measured and reasonable response.....

    image
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,072
    Never had caviar. Probably never will.
  • I've been reflecting on the Budget, and have concluded that for the vast majority of the British public it is a complete non-event, with precisely zero ramifications for household budgets at a time of rising costs. By this, I mean that there is very little, if any, tangible impact from the measures announced in the here and now, which is unusual for a Budget. This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC, but for everybody else, I think it's "so what?" - particularly for the 'squeezed middle'. Even the alcohol duty changes, which I think are not very significant actually, don't come into effect until 2023. For voters, most of the measures are a bit abstract.

    So, the budget is either:

    a) clever politics by Rishi - steady as she goes, or
    b) a missed opportunity to make his stamp as an interesting and innovative Chancellor.

    At the moment, I'm running with the latter.

    I think you are missing that benefits and pensions will rise by 3.1% on the 1st April and with the NLW rising by 6.6% to £9.50 then earnings in April will see quite an uplift but of course inflation will be in the mix
    Have you read my post? "This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC...".
    What changes do you expect to be made to affect people who are not directly by primary budgetary measures?

    Tax rates can't realistically be (and shouldn't be) changed annually.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cookie said:

    OT any caviar experts? How much do you need for canapes for six? And what's the best way to serve? I was thinking Ritz crackers with smoked salmon and caviar on top but noticed James Bond had toast soldiers.

    Once again - peak pb.com.
    Did we exceed the summer peak?
  • Charles said:

    Farooq said:

    ping said:

    Interesting what wasn’t in the budget.

    No wealth taxes and no student loan tinkering. Lots of pundits got this budget very wrong.

    The ft implies that SL changes could be announced separately in a few weeks.

    We’ll see.

    @BlancheLivermore give us both barrels on the etymology of "pundit" please. I know you can :wink:
    One of my favourite type of English etymology: our borrowed Indian words.

    It means "a learned man" from the Hindi word पंडित - payndit, and came to Hindi from Sanskrit. We used it from around 1670 to mean "a learned Hindu", came to mean a more generally learned chap in about 1820.
    And when were women permitted to be “generally learned”?
    Well they have the words Vidushi and Pandita for the more modern use of Pandit in Hindi, which is for the best classical Indian musicians.

    But I don't think we ever needed a female English version!
  • Taz said:

    Never had caviar. Probably never will.

    Had it. Wasn't that impressed by it. Not had it again since.

    I'd rather have good sushi.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Leon said:

    German cases are still rising vertically. It looks like they'll exceed the peak from last winter soon.

    image

    Remember Leon’s Second Golden Rule of Covid: if any state, region, province, or polity ever exhibits a hint of smugness about its handling of Covid, then Covid will inevitably turn on them, and then they don’t feel so smug any more

    I can’t think of a single case where the rule has been truly broken. From Britain to Vietnam, from Florida to Ireland, from Hong Kong to Sweden to Kerala, all the boasters get their asses bitten, in the end. Look at Czechia now, and recall they had a Covid-is-beaten party in Prague

    The ONE possible exception is South Korea. Which maintains an enviable record, and has done from the start. But then, they were never smug, they just saw Covid-19 for what it is: a new nasty version of SARS, and they put on their masks, and they got to work. No boasting
    Well I've been smug about Covid since about March once the vaccine rollout was well underway and deaths were cratering, and since July we've smugly had no Covid restrictions.

    No problems in that. No turning on us yet.

    My attitude towards Covid now is a bit like the French Soldier in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
    Elderberries (with zinc) are very good against respiratory viral infections
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    @helenlewis
    Tell me you've never worked behind a bar without telling me you've never worked behind a bar.

    Johnson never does detail.

    Even when pulling a pint.
    Tbf he nails the ‘what the fuck is that who cares I’m slightly pissed’ gaze really well. And that is the gaze of the trainee barkeep at the student union bar on day 2 of the job, shortly before being sacked

    Sunak looks much less believable

    I wonder if this is a hidden aspect to Boris’ appeal. He always comes across as someone who has had a couple, and is sort-of trying to hide it, or is just letting rip and doesn’t care

    The British do love a genial drunk
    Yeah, we all make space for the genial drunk to sit next to us on the bus...don't we?
    Emphasis on genial.

    Otherwise agreed. For a bus journey I’d probably prefer Sunak in the next seat. He’d sit there quietly working then go. Without a word. Also he’s 2 foot 6 so he wouldn’t take up much space

    But when I turn on the telly Or fire up the iPad i am always, in some form, seeking entertainment. Drunken Boris provides that

    Note that we also forgive drunken people more than we forgive the sober. Keir Starmer is quintessentially sober. So he gets judged as such. Boris can say mad shit and many smile and say ‘well, he’s always half-cut, isn’t he? Who hasn’t been there?’

    In this, if nothing else, he really does resemble Churchill
    "Note that we also forgive drunken people more than we forgive the sober" is an unforgivable remark. Are you drunk!?
    No it isn't. There's a list as long as your arm of English law offences to which drunkenness is a defence.
    Is that so? I genuinely didn't know that. Any examples?
    Can't remember, they are called crimes of specific intent, or were when I was at law school. I believe in Japan, being drunk is a defence to a charge of drunk driving.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Tories are muppets, utterly in denial.

    Labour lead nailed on. I put another £500 on this evening.

    Which market?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Labour poll lead by end of the year, I have £3000 on it

    It was 5k last week, have you laid some off?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,690
    edited October 2021

    Taz said:

    Never had caviar. Probably never will.

    Had it. Wasn't that impressed by it. Not had it again since.

    I'd rather have good sushi.
    We had caviar on two of our trips to Russia years ago, but neither of us were impressed
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    So they should be entitled to demand what they want without providing proof they qualify? And unilaterally introduce trade sanctions despite the EU being the signatory to the agreement not them.

    Who was talking about good faith again?
    That's an amusing point. I thought we could only negotiate with the EU as one, not have 27 different negotiations.

    But now the French aren't happy they want us to deal with them directly? Funny how that works.
    To be fair to them if the EU hadn’t told them to sod off they would have worked through the EU…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,228
    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    German cases are still rising vertically. It looks like they'll exceed the peak from last winter soon.

    image

    Remember Leon’s Second Golden Rule of Covid: if any state, region, province, or polity ever exhibits a hint of smugness about its handling of Covid, then Covid will inevitably turn on them, and then they don’t feel so smug any more

    I can’t think of a single case where the rule has been truly broken. From Britain to Vietnam, from Florida to Ireland, from Hong Kong to Sweden to Kerala, all the boasters get their asses bitten, in the end. Look at Czechia now, and recall they had a Covid-is-beaten party in Prague

    The ONE possible exception is South Korea. Which maintains an enviable record, and has done from the start. But then, they were never smug, they just saw Covid-19 for what it is: a new nasty version of SARS, and they put on their masks, and they got to work. No boasting
    Well I've been smug about Covid since about March once the vaccine rollout was well underway and deaths were cratering, and since July we've smugly had no Covid restrictions.

    No problems in that. No turning on us yet.

    My attitude towards Covid now is a bit like the French Soldier in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
    Elderberries (with zinc) are very good against respiratory viral infections
    Not goat worming tablets? Hot broth with a bleach chaser?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    German cases are still rising vertically. It looks like they'll exceed the peak from last winter soon.

    image

    Remember Leon’s Second Golden Rule of Covid: if any state, region, province, or polity ever exhibits a hint of smugness about its handling of Covid, then Covid will inevitably turn on them, and then they don’t feel so smug any more

    I can’t think of a single case where the rule has been truly broken. From Britain to Vietnam, from Florida to Ireland, from Hong Kong to Sweden to Kerala, all the boasters get their asses bitten, in the end. Look at Czechia now, and recall they had a Covid-is-beaten party in Prague

    The ONE possible exception is South Korea. Which maintains an enviable record, and has done from the start. But then, they were never smug, they just saw Covid-19 for what it is: a new nasty version of SARS, and they put on their masks, and they got to work. No boasting
    Well I've been smug about Covid since about March once the vaccine rollout was well underway and deaths were cratering, and since July we've smugly had no Covid restrictions.

    No problems in that. No turning on us yet.

    My attitude towards Covid now is a bit like the French Soldier in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
    Elderberries (with zinc) are very good against respiratory viral infections
    Broth and ivermectin are superior.
  • Does anybody else find it odd that the BBC is presumably paying someone to give us a live text commentary of Real Madrid v Osasuna on their website?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Taz said:

    Never had caviar. Probably never will.

    I usually have lumpfish caviar.

    90% of the taste at a fraction of the cost

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    German cases are still rising vertically. It looks like they'll exceed the peak from last winter soon.

    image

    Remember Leon’s Second Golden Rule of Covid: if any state, region, province, or polity ever exhibits a hint of smugness about its handling of Covid, then Covid will inevitably turn on them, and then they don’t feel so smug any more

    I can’t think of a single case where the rule has been truly broken. From Britain to Vietnam, from Florida to Ireland, from Hong Kong to Sweden to Kerala, all the boasters get their asses bitten, in the end. Look at Czechia now, and recall they had a Covid-is-beaten party in Prague

    The ONE possible exception is South Korea. Which maintains an enviable record, and has done from the start. But then, they were never smug, they just saw Covid-19 for what it is: a new nasty version of SARS, and they put on their masks, and they got to work. No boasting
    Well I've been smug about Covid since about March once the vaccine rollout was well underway and deaths were cratering, and since July we've smugly had no Covid restrictions.

    No problems in that. No turning on us yet.

    My attitude towards Covid now is a bit like the French Soldier in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
    Elderberries (with zinc) are very good against respiratory viral infections
    Not goat worming tablets? Hot broth with a bleach chaser?
    All part of a balanced diet… it helps at the margin as a preventative

    https://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/sambucol-extra-defence-black-elderberry-liquid-60007416?skuid=007416&utm_campaign=shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIleX067Pr8wIV6YBQBh3bUQt8EAQYASABEgIAv_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,228

    Taz said:

    Never had caviar. Probably never will.

    Had it. Wasn't that impressed by it. Not had it again since.

    I'd rather have good sushi.
    We had caviar on two of our trips to Russia years ago, but neither of us were impressed
    From the Russian side of the family, I've heard that the combination of high prices and foreigners has attracted the inevitable. The crooks are faking caviar in Russia by the ton...
  • isam said:

    Labour poll lead by end of the year, I have £3000 on it

    It was 5k last week, have you laid some off?
    Indeed
  • A much more respectable defence against Liverpool tonight at the Deepdale Stadium than at Old Trafford.
  • Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143
    Nick Macpherson
    @nickmacpherson2
    ·
    6h
    Getting revenue in is a difficult business - one reason the tax take is so stable. Either HMRC will fail to secure this tax yield, as it has failed in the past. Or, if it succeeds, the Chancellor will feel obliged to cut taxes, consistent with the election timetable. 2/2
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    🚨BUDGET SNAP POLL🚨

    💼Over half of UK adults (53%) approve of the Chancellor's budget, including half of 2019 Lab voters (51%).

    ✅Approve 53%
    ❌Disapprove 15%

    1,008 UK adults, 27 Oct https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453456017195507715/photo/1
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,228
    IshmaelZ said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    German cases are still rising vertically. It looks like they'll exceed the peak from last winter soon.

    image

    Remember Leon’s Second Golden Rule of Covid: if any state, region, province, or polity ever exhibits a hint of smugness about its handling of Covid, then Covid will inevitably turn on them, and then they don’t feel so smug any more

    I can’t think of a single case where the rule has been truly broken. From Britain to Vietnam, from Florida to Ireland, from Hong Kong to Sweden to Kerala, all the boasters get their asses bitten, in the end. Look at Czechia now, and recall they had a Covid-is-beaten party in Prague

    The ONE possible exception is South Korea. Which maintains an enviable record, and has done from the start. But then, they were never smug, they just saw Covid-19 for what it is: a new nasty version of SARS, and they put on their masks, and they got to work. No boasting
    Well I've been smug about Covid since about March once the vaccine rollout was well underway and deaths were cratering, and since July we've smugly had no Covid restrictions.

    No problems in that. No turning on us yet.

    My attitude towards Covid now is a bit like the French Soldier in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
    Elderberries (with zinc) are very good against respiratory viral infections
    Broth and ivermectin are superior.
    Great minds....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143

    Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    Remind me, this is a bet on a Lab poll lead by year end?

    If so, are you not betting on an outlier as much as a Starmer renaissance?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398

    Taz said:

    Never had caviar. Probably never will.

    Had it. Wasn't that impressed by it. Not had it again since.

    I'd rather have good sushi.
    We had caviar on two of our trips to Russia years ago, but neither of us were impressed
    Had it once at university, plus some vodka, with a housemate and his russian girlfriend; then spent all night being sick.
  • Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    Remind me, this is a bet on a Lab poll lead by year end?

    If so, are you not betting on an outlier as much as a Starmer renaissance?
    That's correct - and exactly right.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    German cases are still rising vertically. It looks like they'll exceed the peak from last winter soon.

    image

    Remember Leon’s Second Golden Rule of Covid: if any state, region, province, or polity ever exhibits a hint of smugness about its handling of Covid, then Covid will inevitably turn on them, and then they don’t feel so smug any more

    I can’t think of a single case where the rule has been truly broken. From Britain to Vietnam, from Florida to Ireland, from Hong Kong to Sweden to Kerala, all the boasters get their asses bitten, in the end. Look at Czechia now, and recall they had a Covid-is-beaten party in Prague

    The ONE possible exception is South Korea. Which maintains an enviable record, and has done from the start. But then, they were never smug, they just saw Covid-19 for what it is: a new nasty version of SARS, and they put on their masks, and they got to work. No boasting
    Well I've been smug about Covid since about March once the vaccine rollout was well underway and deaths were cratering, and since July we've smugly had no Covid restrictions.

    No problems in that. No turning on us yet.

    My attitude towards Covid now is a bit like the French Soldier in Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.”
    Elderberries (with zinc) are very good against respiratory viral infections
    Broth and ivermectin are superior.
    Great minds....
    Spooky.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143

    Does anybody else find it odd that the BBC is presumably paying someone to give us a live text commentary of Real Madrid v Osasuna on their website?

    Fits Lord Reith's principles surely?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BUDGET SNAP POLL🚨

    💼Over half of UK adults (53%) approve of the Chancellor's budget, including half of 2019 Lab voters (51%).

    ✅Approve 53%
    ❌Disapprove 15%

    1,008 UK adults, 27 Oct https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453456017195507715/photo/1

    So, when do the wheels fall off? ;)
  • I remember how many approved of the last announcement and then how quickly it fell apart.

    I stand by my bet.
  • Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    Who with? No exchange seems to offer that bet.

    Smarkets offer a similar one but it ends on Tuesday not the end of the year.
  • RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BUDGET SNAP POLL🚨

    💼Over half of UK adults (53%) approve of the Chancellor's budget, including half of 2019 Lab voters (51%).

    ✅Approve 53%
    ❌Disapprove 15%

    1,008 UK adults, 27 Oct https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453456017195507715/photo/1

    So, when do the wheels fall off? ;)
    Next April, when the NI rise kicks in, probably.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143
    darkage said:

    Taz said:

    Never had caviar. Probably never will.

    Had it. Wasn't that impressed by it. Not had it again since.

    I'd rather have good sushi.
    We had caviar on two of our trips to Russia years ago, but neither of us were impressed
    Had it once at university, plus some vodka, with a housemate and his russian girlfriend; then spent all night being sick.
    Without the context of the original post this gets to sound very @Leon out on one of his wilder gigs.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Taz said:

    Never had caviar. Probably never will.

    Had it. Wasn't that impressed by it. Not had it again since.

    I'd rather have good sushi.
    We had caviar on two of our trips to Russia years ago, but neither of us were impressed
    From the Russian side of the family, I've heard that the combination of high prices and foreigners has attracted the inevitable. The crooks are faking caviar in Russia by the ton...
    Can you even get the real wild caspian stuff any more? It’s all farmed now…
  • Origi scores Liverpool's goal of the season.

    Better than anything Salah has scored this season.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    You’re responsible for £17,000 of the £1,778 traded on the market. Impressive!



  • Does anybody else find it odd that the BBC is presumably paying someone to give us a live text commentary of Real Madrid v Osasuna on their website?

    Fits Lord Reith's principles surely?
    I'm sure he always wanted the BBC to have a Real Madrid correspondent.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    Origi scores Liverpool's goal of the season.

    Better than anything Salah has scored this season.

    Poor man’s Giroud.
  • isam said:

    Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    You’re responsible for £17,000 of the £1,778 traded on the market. Impressive!



    As I said yesterday, it's not on Smarkets.
  • And that bet is by 2nd November, mine is by year end
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    A 13 point lead over Labour is "shredded"?
  • Taz said:

    Never had caviar. Probably never will.

    Had it. Wasn't that impressed by it. Not had it again since.

    I'd rather have good sushi.
    We had caviar on two of our trips to Russia years ago, but neither of us were impressed
    From the Russian side of the family, I've heard that the combination of high prices and foreigners has attracted the inevitable. The crooks are faking caviar in Russia by the ton...
    Our visits were in 1989 and 1998
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    You’re responsible for £17,000 of the £1,778 traded on the market. Impressive!



    As I said yesterday, it's not on Smarkets.
    What’s it on then? Betfair aren’t doing it, nor are Betdaq
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨BUDGET SNAP POLL🚨

    💼Over half of UK adults (53%) approve of the Chancellor's budget, including half of 2019 Lab voters (51%).

    ✅Approve 53%
    ❌Disapprove 15%

    1,008 UK adults, 27 Oct https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1453456017195507715/photo/1

    So, when do the wheels fall off? ;)
    Next April, when the NI rise kicks in, probably.
    Isn't it one of the foundational principles of this blog that whatever anyone thinks of a budget, the real polling response does not even begin before the following weekend?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    So, labour spokesperson, which taxes will you cut?
  • tlg86 said:

    Origi scores Liverpool's goal of the season.

    Better than anything Salah has scored this season.

    Poor man’s Giroud.
    Nah, Divock won the Champions League and the semi thanks to his goals.

    Plus, he also scored the greatest ever goal in the Merseyside Derby.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnmRE0-M270
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    From wiki on caviar


    “Wild beluga sturgeon caviar from the Caspian Sea was priced in 2012 at $16,000 per 1 kilogram (35 oz).[15] Cheaper alternatives have been developed from the roe of whitefish and the North Atlantic salmon”

    That $5 kilo of caviar I bought in Baku in the 90s….
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    Clearly a miss kick...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046

    So, labour spokesperson, which taxes will you cut?
    To be fair, I think their policy is to cut corporation tax.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,072
    edited October 2021
    Deleted - just spotted someone else posted it
  • A much more respectable defence against Liverpool tonight at the Deepdale Stadium than at Old Trafford.

    Even Llandudno FC would have been better
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,333
    Last few weeks have been maybe the worst I remember for strong believers in EU integration like myself. Entropy keeps growing and there seems to be little awareness of it

    https://twitter.com/macaesbruno/status/1453457678756372482
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    Leon said:

    From wiki on caviar


    “Wild beluga sturgeon caviar from the Caspian Sea was priced in 2012 at $16,000 per 1 kilogram (35 oz).[15] Cheaper alternatives have been developed from the roe of whitefish and the North Atlantic salmon”

    That $5 kilo of caviar I bought in Baku in the 90s….

    Very mouldy by now, I would have thought.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,072

    isam said:

    Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    You’re responsible for £17,000 of the £1,778 traded on the market. Impressive!



    As I said yesterday, it's not on Smarkets.
    This is a betting site. I don’t understand your reluctance to share where you got this bet and details of it.
  • Labour's are shredded you mean?

    39% associate the Tories with Economic responsibility.
    26% associate Labour with Economic responsibility.
  • Labour's on that poll 39/26
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    You’re responsible for £17,000 of the £1,778 traded on the market. Impressive!



    As I said yesterday, it's not on Smarkets.
    This is a betting site. I don’t understand your reluctance to share where you got this bet and details of it.
    I think it's obvious why.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774

    Last few weeks have been maybe the worst I remember for strong believers in EU integration like myself. Entropy keeps growing and there seems to be little awareness of it

    https://twitter.com/macaesbruno/status/1453457678756372482

    Must put in more energy to stop that entropy growth then. Else disorder will be the order of the day.

  • Clearly a miss kick...
    Its not the Tweet doesn't do it justice. Watching it on Sky they showed about 8 different angles of the goal and its just remarkable, I don't think I've ever seen a goal like it. He kicks it over his own head and ducks down for it to go past too.

    If there's a bizarre goals award, that definitely deserves goal of the season for that.
  • City have been Hammered out of the League Cup.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,592

    I've been reflecting on the Budget, and have concluded that for the vast majority of the British public it is a complete non-event, with precisely zero ramifications for household budgets at a time of rising costs. By this, I mean that there is very little, if any, tangible impact from the measures announced in the here and now, which is unusual for a Budget. This is not the case for those on the minimum wage or UC, but for everybody else, I think it's "so what?" - particularly for the 'squeezed middle'. Even the alcohol duty changes, which I think are not very significant actually, don't come into effect until 2023. For voters, most of the measures are a bit abstract.

    So, the budget is either:

    a) clever politics by Rishi - steady as she goes, or
    b) a missed opportunity to make his stamp as an interesting and innovative Chancellor.

    At the moment, I'm running with the latter.

    I think you are missing that benefits and pensions will rise by 3.1% on the 1st April and with the NLW rising by 6.6% to £9.50 then earnings in April will see quite an uplift but of course inflation will be in the mix
    And the fact the tax increases were announced earlier
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,143
    Liz Truss response incoming. In 1...2...3...

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,172
    edited October 2021

    City have been Hammered out of the League Cup.

    West Ham, striking a blow for east London :)
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,072
    RobD said:

    Taz said:

    isam said:

    Did £5000, then down to £2500 and now back up to £3500. Going to leave it there now.

    You’re responsible for £17,000 of the £1,778 traded on the market. Impressive!



    As I said yesterday, it's not on Smarkets.
    This is a betting site. I don’t understand your reluctance to share where you got this bet and details of it.
    I think it's obvious why.
    It’s a fair conclusion to draw but he/she doesn’t strike me as someone to lie or mislead about something like that.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Taz said:

    Who would want to go into politics these days?

    Police have arrested a man accused of making threats against the Labour deputy leader, Angela Rayner.

    Sources close to Rayner, who is away from parliament on bereavement leave, confirmed she was the women concerned after Greater Manchester police announced the arrest.

    The Guardian understands Rayner has cancelled her constituency surgeries in recent weeks amid concerns for her safety – linked to a wider increase of abuse and threats, including death threats, against her.

    Friends said she had been deeply affected by the abuse, which had been taken particularly hard by her children. One described the deputy leader as “not in a good place” and said she had been unable to make many public appearances because of fears for her safety.


    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/27/man-held-on-suspicion-of-making-threats-against-angela-rayner?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    No one should be put in that position for entering politics. Our politics is fragmented, polarised and divided. It’s an awful place at times

    At the labour conference she used deliberately inflammatory language to pander to her supporter base, doubled down on it when rightly challenged. It in no way justifies this mans actions but I hope she will reconsider such statements in future.
    I sort of knew at the start of your post you'd get around to a "but" in the end. You didn't disappoint.
    Do you think she shouldn't reconsider calling her opponents "scum"?
    I think it was right for people to complain about Rayner's comments at the time and in the future too, but wrong to link them syntactically with talking about the threats against her. Even with the weasel-worded preface, it serves to encourage people to think that the victim is at least partially responsible for their treatment by others.
    We saw the same thing some days ago, somebody on here highlighted a couple of instances of commentators saying something like "awful news about David Amess but remember he voted for blah or against blah". I think the wrongness of that was a bit easier to see because murder is so much more dramatic than threats, but the principle is the same.

    You know that thing people sometimes say, no ifs, no buts. I think that means something. Threats and violence are wrong, no ifs no buts.
    I've reconsidered and I think you're right.

    I also think what I said earlier "its pertinence is enhanced" was right for the same reason, but I came to the wrong conclusion about talking about it right now.

    We should only be criticising her assailant. Scum is the right word.
  • So to sum up Starmer's week:

    1) Calls for restrictions on the vaccinated just as new cases start to fall

    2) Panders to NHS anti-vaxxers with a poll showing how unpopular that is

    3) Despite his mask wearing gets infected with covid

    4) Sees his replacements do a better job than he does
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