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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » This week’s PB/Polling Matters TV show looks at the Sanders threat to Hillary Clinton and the current state of Labour

After all the focus on the GOP race and BREXIT this week’s show examines the potential threat to the Clinton campaign by the 74 year old, Bernie Sanders and the state of Labour six months after Corbyn became leader.

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  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    First like Leave.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited March 2016
    Appleton, WI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kukjV6GzH-E
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    RodCrosby said:

    Appleton, WI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kukjV6GzH-E

    CH4 hitjob on Trump at 9pm this evening.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    Are we done with steel plant discussions?

    If so, I'm off to bed :lol:
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    rcs1000 said:

    Are we done with steel plant discussions?

    If so, I'm off to bed :lol:

    What about aluminium smelting?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Where is the show filmed?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are we done with steel plant discussions?

    If so, I'm off to bed :lol:

    What about aluminium smelting?
    I used to own shares in an African bauxite mine...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited March 2016
    France's women's rights minister has sparked fury by comparing Muslim women who choose to wear the headscarf to "negroes who accepted slavery". Laurence Rossignol appeared on French TV criticising fashion brands that market hijabs as "irresponsible".

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35927665
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    FPT
    Pulpstar said:

    Doesn't matter if that white kid is a Trump, Bernie or w/e supporter. He is a clear victim of racially aggravated assault.

    Possibly not. Interesting item from CNN.

    http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/30/us/black-privilege/index.html
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    AndyJS said:

    Where is the show filmed?

    The PB/PM TV Show is filmed at studios of Tip TV just by St Paul's Cathedral in London. We usually start recording just after 6pm.

    I'm on holiday this week so wasn't there.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    rcs1000 said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are we done with steel plant discussions?

    If so, I'm off to bed :lol:

    What about aluminium smelting?
    I used to own shares in an African bauxite mine...
    I used to own shares in a Swedish gold mine. Would have been great had they actually found any at the time. They did later.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,830
    MikeSmithson said:

    AndyJS said:

    Where is the show filmed?

    The PB/PM TV Show is filmed at studios of Tip TV just by St Paul's Cathedral in London. We usually start recording just after 6pm.

    I'm on holiday this week so wasn't there.
    Very close to Crowdscores global HQ then...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    How to read the EU referendum opinion polls

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35926183
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Stephen Bush, " John McCain was a far more formidable opponent than Donald Trump is...".
    Turned off and stopped wasting my time listening to this trio.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    AndyJS said:

    Where is the show filmed?

    The PB/PM TV Show is filmed at studios of Tip TV just by St Paul's Cathedral in London. We usually start recording just after 6pm.

    I'm on holiday this week so wasn't there.
    Very close to Crowdscores global HQ then...
    It's one of the best apps that I've downloaded.
    I love dazzling my mates with what's going on in the Chilean league B.
    One request though, it would be great if it can be run from an SD card and not have to run from the phone memory.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Trump reads The Snake...
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited March 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    AndyJS said:

    Where is the show filmed?

    The PB/PM TV Show is filmed at studios of Tip TV just by St Paul's Cathedral in London. We usually start recording just after 6pm.

    I'm on holiday this week so wasn't there.
    Very close to Crowdscores global HQ then...
    Just downloaded..interesting...will there be other sports included later?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    AndyJS said:

    Where is the show filmed?

    The PB/PM TV Show is filmed at studios of Tip TV just by St Paul's Cathedral in London. We usually start recording just after 6pm.

    I'm on holiday this week so wasn't there.
    Very close to Crowdscores global HQ then...
    Is there a way to subscribe to notifications for a particular club? Rather than having to select it each time there's a game on?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    This CH4 programme on Trump is rubbish.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    A Brussels police chief was ordered to go home on the day of the attacks that killed 32 after he turned up at a crisis meeting drunk, it has emerged.

    After two bombs were detonated at the airport and one on the metro system last Tuesday, senior officers in the Ixelles district of the city were summoned to review emergency plans with the local mayor.

    However, one of the police commissioners arrived late at the meeting and then struggled to answer questions, according to Belgian media reports.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3515645/Belgium-terror-shambles-continues-revealed-senior-police-officer-drunk-crisis-meeting-day-bombing-sent-home.html
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    How does Sanders compare in locally extreme leftiness to Corbyn? They've both been the farthest left politician in a while in their country to be in with a (very tricky) shot of getting the top job, but is Bernie even lefter, relatively, given where he is?

    Completely ot, does anyone know the 1972 album Lark by Linda Lewis? She's an English soul singer that i only just discovered and I'm rather upset that nobody told me about her before. She's like a mix of Carole King and Minnie Ripperton http://youtu.be/RDdX0YyLCRs
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,193
    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are we done with steel plant discussions?

    If so, I'm off to bed :lol:

    What about aluminium smelting?
    They used to do it in Northumberland. Not any more.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SandyRentool said:

    Alistair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Are we done with steel plant discussions?

    If so, I'm off to bed :lol:

    What about aluminium smelting?
    They used to do it in Northumberland. Not any more.
    A lot was done in the Highlands with hydro power
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    How to read the EU referendum opinion polls

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35926183

    I hope the next article they have has an OUT/ LEAVE picture at the top - in the interest of balance of course.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Presidential candidate Donald Trump has called for "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions, if the procedure became illegal.

    However, the Republican front-runner did not disclose what that punishment would be, during a town hall event with cable network MSNBC.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

    Still waiting for this tack to the centre..
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited March 2016
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Presidential candidate Donald Trump has called for "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions, if the procedure became illegal.

    However, the Republican front-runner did not disclose what that punishment would be, during a town hall event with cable network MSNBC.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

    Still waiting for this tack to the centre..

    If it became illegal, then surely punishment of some sort would be required. They will have, after all, knowingly broken the law.

    [For the record, I strongly support a woman's right to choose.]
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited March 2016
    CH4 programme hasn't got any better. I have learned nothing at all.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Anorak said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Presidential candidate Donald Trump has called for "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions, if the procedure became illegal.

    However, the Republican front-runner did not disclose what that punishment would be, during a town hall event with cable network MSNBC.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

    Still waiting for this tack to the centre..

    If it became illegal, then surely punishment of some sort would be required. They will have, after all, knowingly broken the law.

    [For the record, I strongly support a woman's right to choose.]
    Maybe she should choose before accepting the risk and take some responsibility for her actions. It is not as if it were 1965 you know.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Awkward for Remain.......

    "The British public must be told the truth about migration ahead of the EU referendum, the Office for National Statistics has been warned, amid concerns official figures may be wrong.

    In a development which will intensify public debate about immigration ahead of the June 23 vote, the UK Statistics Authority (UKSA) has written to the head of the ONS pointing out “speculation about the quality” of migration figures.The watchdog said the public must be told if official immigration data “falls short of providing a full picture”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/12207625/British-public-must-be-told-truth-about-immigration-figures-ahead-of-EU-referendum-says-watchdog.html
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    edited March 2016
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Presidential candidate Donald Trump has called for "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions, if the procedure became illegal.

    However, the Republican front-runner did not disclose what that punishment would be, during a town hall event with cable network MSNBC.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

    Still waiting for this tack to the centre..

    Lol he's too left wing for the GOP on that sort of stuff.

    Ted Cruz is way more right wing !
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,736
    Interesting interviews. I disagree with Moniker down thread in that I think the panelists are right that McCain was a stronger candidate than Trump. Trump is much more fascinating, but less likely to win.

    I think the interviewees still don't really have a feel for Corbyn - the alienation was typified by the suggestion that he should have cancelled a commitment to CND, an issue that he's fought on for decades and made lots of members vote for him - in favour of a party event on the EU. But they're also mistaken in thinking he's a closet Eurosceptic who plans to sit out the referendum, and I'm saying that on the basis of having talked to him directly. He's not going to bang on about it week after week, but he won't be leaving any doubts.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited March 2016
    Very interesting discussion on political party leader satisfaction on the latest PB/Polling Matters video.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Don't know anything else about this poll

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/715286169198673920
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Also contains EURef poll

    Public opinion on Europe has shifted in favour of continued membership in the past month, according to ORB. Some 51 per cent of people say that the UK should remain a member of the EU, while 49 per cent want to leave it. Last month ORB found that 52 per cent wanted to withdraw from the EU and 48 per cent to stay.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Don't know anything else about this poll

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/715286169198673920

    Probably about as accurate as the kids will grow up not knowing what snow looks like because of global warming gonads.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    Looks like there might be some funny business in DC with the Dems and Bernie. Not that he would win in DC given the ethnic make up of the city, but still it is going to feed into their sense of grievance that the party machine is handing the nomination to Hillary.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,736
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Uncle Vince on BBC Newsnight doing what he is best at....chatting about all the issues without ever giving an opinion....
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    weejonnie said:

    Anorak said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Presidential candidate Donald Trump has called for "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions, if the procedure became illegal.

    However, the Republican front-runner did not disclose what that punishment would be, during a town hall event with cable network MSNBC.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

    Still waiting for this tack to the centre..

    If it became illegal, then surely punishment of some sort would be required. They will have, after all, knowingly broken the law.

    [For the record, I strongly support a woman's right to choose.]
    Maybe she should choose before accepting the risk and take some responsibility for her actions. It is not as if it were 1965 you know.
    What the hell are you on about?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715294639620759552
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715294639620759552

    Is he planning to invite Ted Cruz here?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,300
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    Personally, my vote would go to TSE!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,084
    Pulpstar said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Presidential candidate Donald Trump has called for "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions, if the procedure became illegal.

    However, the Republican front-runner did not disclose what that punishment would be, during a town hall event with cable network MSNBC.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

    Still waiting for this tack to the centre..

    Lol he's too left wing for the GOP on that sort of stuff.

    Ted Cruz is way more right wing !
    Ted Cruz is a straight from the loon pond...
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Uncle Vince on BBC Newsnight doing what he is best at....chatting about all the issues without ever giving an opinion....

    Evan Davies must be all a quiver at the prospect of Cable releasing his nuclear weapon on the show.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715294639620759552

    Complete and utter prat.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,300
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    Just like Boris as Mayor would be a disaster in 2008?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    Just like Boris as Mayor would be a disaster in 2008?
    Frankly, it's becoming increasingly difficult to see how he could be any worse than Cameron.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    murali_s said:

    Pulpstar said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Presidential candidate Donald Trump has called for "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions, if the procedure became illegal.

    However, the Republican front-runner did not disclose what that punishment would be, during a town hall event with cable network MSNBC.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35931103

    Still waiting for this tack to the centre..

    Lol he's too left wing for the GOP on that sort of stuff.

    Ted Cruz is way more right wing !
    Ted Cruz is a straight from the loon pond...
    You like the word loon don't you.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,300
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove Clarkson, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    I'm a Tory too and I think you're panicking unnecessarily. Boris is lazy, so the reality is that he would operate very much as chairman of the board ie ministers would be left to get on with their jobs. I have much more confidence in this form of management than the hyperactive interventionism of Blair, Brown and Osborne.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    Hammond has been a spineless insect since he joined the FCO. I think he is vastly overrated.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,736
    MP_SE said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715294639620759552

    Complete and utter prat.
    There seems to be a contest between Remain and Leave for who can come up with the most ridiculous Project Fear story.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    I'm also on team Jeremy Hunt because Tissue Price and I are on him as next PM at 66/1he's been firm with the Doctors.

    Always good when a Tory Minister puts the public sector in their place.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,300
    NickPalmer said:

    MP_SE said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715294639620759552

    Complete and utter prat.
    There seems to be a contest between Remain and Leave for who can come up with the most ridiculous Project Fear story.
    In complete contrast to the Be Leave campaign:

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!

    :sunglasses:
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited March 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm also on team Jeremy Hunt because Tissue Price and I are on him as next PM at 66/1he's been firm with the Doctors.

    Always good when a Tory Minister puts the public sector in their place.

    Their place being the plane to Australia?

    (Though I too have a green book on Hunt. My reasoning is that Hunt is a dickhead with PR and press connections. Other dickhead Tory MPs are going to like that).
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    I don't see any of them appealing to the wider public, Mr Eagles. They might be OK in the job but they have to be elected first. Corbyn may be a bearded loon, but it wouldn't be sensible for the Conservatives to assume that they will automatically be re-elected. The Party need a leader who can get the "man on the Clapham omnibus" to vote for them.

    In addition, Gove is on record as saying he doesn't want the job and doesn't feel he has the qualities necessary to do it.
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    edited March 2016
    So Trump has done Janesville (CD 1) and Appleton (CD 8).

    Trump, according to Optimus, is ahead in CDs 1,3,7 and 8. Kasich in 2. Cruz in 4,5 and 6. 5 has the most Republican voters. Actually think 4 (City of Milwaukee) is in play for Trump as there will a fair number of Reagan Democrats Trump could attract there, same way he won Chicago in Illinois, same goes for CD 1 where the counties over the state line in Illinois he won.

    Could see Cruz win Wisconsin whilst only winning two CDs. Trump should pick up 3,7 and 8 which are the Northern and Western CDs. Kasich looks good for Madison (2). Cruz only looks good in 5, the others are all in play.

    http://www.gq.com/story/roger-stone-donald-trump-interview
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited March 2016
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm also on team Jeremy Hunt because Tissue Price and I are on him as next PM at 66/1he's been firm with the Doctors.

    Always good when a Tory Minister puts the public sector in their place.

    Their place being the plane to Australia?
    Where they miraculously embrace the charms of private medicine. Funny that.

    Must be something to do with crossing the Equator, scrambles up their belief that public healthcare is good, everything else is evil.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm also on team Jeremy Hunt because Tissue Price and I are on him as next PM at 66/1he's been firm with the Doctors.

    Always good when a Tory Minister puts the public sector in their place.

    Their place being the plane to Australia?
    But they tell us they love the NHS, nor is this about money.

    They really love the NHS if they are heading for Australia.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    I must say, I try not to be a judgemental snob, but I did enjoy very much Tom Harris and his rant against online petitions. My favourite was right after Corbyn was elected being linked to one which, in very poor words, said the queen should dismiss the government due to public anger and desire for change as seen at things line recent PMQs. It was so very stupid.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/12207164/Stupid-online-petitions-are-whats-wrong-with-our-democracy.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
    NickPalmer said:

    MP_SE said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715294639620759552

    Complete and utter prat.
    There seems to be a contest between Remain and Leave for who can come up with the most ridiculous Project Fear story.
    And still so long to go - it will prove a competitive field.
    RoyalBlue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    I'm a Tory too and I think you're panicking unnecessarily. Boris is lazy, so the reality is that he would operate very much as chairman of the board ie ministers would be left to get on with their jobs. I have much more confidence in this form of management than the hyperactive interventionism of Blair, Brown and Osborne.
    Chairman of the board type who lets ministers get on with it? Best stick with Cameron then,
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,232
    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    I don't see any of them appealing to the wider public, Mr Eagles. They might be OK in the job but they have to be elected first. Corbyn may be a bearded loon, but it wouldn't be sensible for the Conservatives to assume that they will automatically be re-elected. The Party need a leader who can get the "man on the Clapham omnibus" to vote for them.

    In addition, Gove is on record as saying he doesn't want the job and doesn't feel he has the qualities necessary to do it.
    Well, people get mocked if they say they think they'd be good at it.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm also on team Jeremy Hunt because Tissue Price and I are on him as next PM at 66/1he's been firm with the Doctors.

    Always good when a Tory Minister puts the public sector in their place.

    Their place being the plane to Australia?
    But they tell us they love the NHS, nor is this about money.

    They really love the NHS if they are heading for Australia.
    ... in pursuit of money.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    I don't see any of them appealing to the wider public, Mr Eagles. They might be OK in the job but they have to be elected first. Corbyn may be a bearded loon, but it wouldn't be sensible for the Conservatives to assume that they will automatically be re-elected. The Party need a leader who can get the "man on the Clapham omnibus" to vote for them.

    In addition, Gove is on record as saying he doesn't want the job and doesn't feel he has the qualities necessary to do it.
    The referendum could make him.

    Plus, he is a very good Justice Secretary, his tenure as Education Secretary vastly improved education standards.

    He is also respected across all wings of the party.

    I can see the Cameroons backing him, as well as the Leavers.

    His statement on why he was backing Leave still gives me a tingle.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    kle4 said:

    I must say, I try not to be a judgemental snob, but I did enjoy very much Tom Harris and his rant against online petitions. My favourite was right after Corbyn was elected being linked to one which, in very poor words, said the queen should dismiss the government due to public anger and desire for change as seen at things line recent PMQs. It was so very stupid.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/12207164/Stupid-online-petitions-are-whats-wrong-with-our-democracy.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    NickPalmer said:

    MP_SE said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715294639620759552

    Complete and utter prat.
    There seems to be a contest between Remain and Leave for who can come up with the most ridiculous Project Fear story.
    And still so long to go - it will prove a competitive field.
    RoyalBlue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    I'm a Tory too and I think you're panicking unnecessarily. Boris is lazy, so the reality is that he would operate very much as chairman of the board ie ministers would be left to get on with their jobs. I have much more confidence in this form of management than the hyperactive interventionism of Blair, Brown and Osborne.
    Chairman of the board type who lets ministers get on with it? Best stick with Cameron then,
    I am a judgemental snob, it is a wonderful feeling.

    You should embrace it.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    RoyalBlue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    Hammond has been a spineless insect since he joined the FCO. I think he is vastly overrated.
    I'd agree with that assessment, he is completely house trained and not much more than a talking suit.

    May has been a competent Home Secretary but nothing more and certainly doesn't inspire as a leader.

    Gove, as I have already noted, has ruled himself out as not being up to the job.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    Personally, my vote would go to TSE!
    So would mine.
    TSE for PM!
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    kle4, you're quite right. Much as Cameron vexes me by vigorously campaigning for Remain, I cannot fault his general style of leadership. I wish he could be persuaded to stand again in 2020 to give the 2010 and 2015 intakes more time to blossom; by that time Cameron's generation will be played out, at least for the leadership.
  • LondonBobLondonBob Posts: 467
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Stephen Bush, " John McCain was a far more formidable opponent than Donald Trump is...".
    Turned off and stopped wasting my time listening to this trio.

    Quite, the media lavished praise on John McInsane and Dems tactically voted in Primaries for him. Weak candidate easily defeated.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm also on team Jeremy Hunt because Tissue Price and I are on him as next PM at 66/1he's been firm with the Doctors.

    Always good when a Tory Minister puts the public sector in their place.

    Their place being the plane to Australia?
    But they tell us they love the NHS, nor is this about money.

    They really love the NHS if they are heading for Australia.
    Retention rates in Medicine are at an all time low, at least until this years figures are published, but despite my jest it is not Australia that is the destination. There are the same numbers heading there as in 2013 (about 8%) the big increase is in people quitting medicine entirely. This is probably worse as Doctors in Australia may return if conditions improve, but those who quit for other careers will most likely never return.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,532
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    Personally, my vote would go to TSE!
    So would mine.
    TSE for PM!
    We don't need a vote. Just install him as Beneficent Dictator in Perpetuity.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    I quite like Gove as far as Tories' go, but can he really be described as "competent"?!? This was the man who became so toxic that Cameron's chief strategist insisted he was removed a year before the election That's even leaving aside that he would be seen about twice as "weird" as Ed Miliband.

    I would still say that, if not Boris, then May would be your best choice. I think she has the Cameron-like ability of being able to convince people she is the strict but ultimately well-meaning headteacher who wants the best for the country - as opposed to Osborne, Hammond and most of the Cabinet who do/would come across like they're only doing "tough" things because they're evil bastards who like taking money away from the average joe.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    I don't see any of them appealing to the wider public, Mr Eagles. They might be OK in the job but they have to be elected first. Corbyn may be a bearded loon, but it wouldn't be sensible for the Conservatives to assume that they will automatically be re-elected. The Party need a leader who can get the "man on the Clapham omnibus" to vote for them.

    In addition, Gove is on record as saying he doesn't want the job and doesn't feel he has the qualities necessary to do it.
    The referendum could make him.

    Plus, he is a very good Justice Secretary, his tenure as Education Secretary vastly improved education standards.

    He is also respected across all wings of the party.

    I can see the Cameroons backing him, as well as the Leavers.

    His statement on why he was backing Leave still gives me a tingle.
    Please don't get me wrong, Mr. Eagles, I think Gove is a good egg and a very effective minister. I just don't think and nor, apparently, does he that he is PM material.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    edited March 2016
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    Personally, my vote would go to TSE!
    So would mine.
    TSE for PM!
    About a decade ago, someone suggested I put myself forward as a Tory candidates list to be an MP, I said no.

    I never regretted that decision until recently.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HurstLlama said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    Hammond has been a spineless insect since he joined the FCO. I think he is vastly overrated.
    I'd agree with that assessment, he is completely house trained and not much more than a talking suit.

    May has been a competent Home Secretary but nothing more and certainly doesn't inspire as a leader.

    Gove, as I have already noted, has ruled himself out as not being up to the job.
    Osborne has done an excellent job of ending the careers of rivals. He channels Gordon Brown very well.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Danny565 said:

    I quite like Gove as far as Tories' go, but can he really be described as "competent"?!? This was the man who became so toxic that Cameron's chief strategist insisted he was removed a year before the election

    He was unpopular precisely because he was so effective.

    The blob hated him
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    MarqueeMark said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    Personally, my vote would go to TSE!
    So would mine.
    TSE for PM!
    We don't need a vote. Just install him as Beneficent Dictator in Perpetuity.
    We just need to temper it with the occasional assassination to keep him in-line, maybe.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,910
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove Clarkson, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    :-)
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott_P said:

    Danny565 said:

    I quite like Gove as far as Tories' go, but can he really be described as "competent"?!? This was the man who became so toxic that Cameron's chief strategist insisted he was removed a year before the election

    He was unpopular precisely because he was so effective.

    The blob hated him
    Even if that is true, it still hardly says much for his political abilities that Cameron felt it necessary to sack him.
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    Personally, my vote would go to TSE!
    So would mine.
    TSE for PM!
    About a decade ago, someone suggested I put myself forward as a Tory candidates list to be an MP, I said no.

    I never regretted, until recently.
    Tbf When I joined the party just after the 97 wipeout. I was asked if I would be interested in standing. I replied 'Wouldn't be my wisest decision'

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    s?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    The referendum could make him.

    Plus, he is a very good Justice Secretary, his tenure as Education Secretary vastly improved education standards.

    He is also respected across all wings of the party.

    I can see the Cameroons backing him, as well as the Leavers.

    His statement on why he was backing Leave still gives me a tingle.
    Please don't get me wrong, Mr. Eagles, I think Gove is a good egg and a very effective minister. I just don't think and nor, apparently, does he that he is PM material.
    I understand that viewpoint.

    The Tory Party likes to be unpredictable when it comes to choosing leaders, but rightly or wrongly, think the next election is the bag, no matter how shite they get.

    For even a former Labour Home Secretary said of Corbyn, that he gave tacit support to Al Qaeda.

    I think I know this country very well, they will never elect someone who is described by his own side as a tacit supporter of Al Qaeda
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    foxinsoxuk said:

    HurstLlama said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    Hammond has been a spineless insect since he joined the FCO. I think he is vastly overrated.
    I'd agree with that assessment, he is completely house trained and not much more than a talking suit.

    May has been a competent Home Secretary but nothing more and certainly doesn't inspire as a leader.

    Gove, as I have already noted, has ruled himself out as not being up to the job.
    Osborne has done an excellent job of ending the careers of rivals. He channels Gordon Brown very well.
    He does indeed, Doc, aside from not being so obviously bonkers. Why Conservative party members think he could be a PM is beyond me. OK he has used and is using his power of patronage to promote himself in the eyes of MPs but within a wide and, I think, growing sector of the public he is toxic.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited March 2016
    I'm wondering if Trump is losing the electoral thread a bit, its like he's lost another marble. You get the feeling a Trumper Tantrum isn't far away or a Howard Dean moment.

    Still, has a lot of delegates in the bank but things are not getting easier.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    Personally, my vote would go to TSE!
    So would mine.
    TSE for PM!
    About a decade ago, someone suggested I put myself forward as a Tory candidates list to be an MP, I said no.

    I never regretted, until recently.
    Tbf When I joined the party just after the 97 wipeout. I was asked if I would be interested in standing. I replied 'Wouldn't be my wisest decision'

    I just knew my sense of humour and sarcasm would get me into trouble on a regular basis were I to become an MP.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,021
    Y0kel said:

    I'm wondering if Trump is losing the electoral thread a bit, its like he's lost another marble. You get the feeling a Trumper Tantrum isn't far away or a Howard Dean.

    Still, has a lot of delegates in the bank but things are not getting easier.

    Weirdest theory I heard today.

    He's like Brewster in Brewster's Millions. He doesn't want to win, so he keeps on doing/saying outrageous things so he'll lose.

    Except all it does is boost his poll share.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Y0kel said:

    I'm wondering if Trump is losing the electoral thread a bit, its like he's lost another marble. You get the feeling a Trumper Tantrum isn't far away or a Howard Dean.

    Still, has a lot of delegates in the bank but things are not getting easier.

    Weirdest theory I heard today.

    He's like Brewster in Brewster's Millions. He doesn't want to win, so he keeps on doing/saying outrageous things so he'll lose.

    Except all it does is boost his poll share.
    There has been the occasional theory bandied about that he's being paid by Hillary to sabotage the Republicans from the inside.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    Personally, my vote would go to TSE!
    So would mine.
    TSE for PM!
    About a decade ago, someone suggested I put myself forward as a Tory candidates list to be an MP, I said no.

    I never regretted, until recently.
    Tbf When I joined the party just after the 97 wipeout. I was asked if I would be interested in standing. I replied 'Wouldn't be my wisest decision'

    I just knew my sense of humour and sarcasm would get me into trouble on a regular basis were I to become an MP.
    You should go for it now, Mr. Eagles. You are ten years older and have built a good career so you should be able to control your humour and sarcasm more. Even if you can't we need a few MPs who are not just clones and lobby fodder, especially ones with a taste for outrageous shoes.

    Go for it, I'd vote for you.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited March 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Y0kel said:

    I'm wondering if Trump is losing the electoral thread a bit, its like he's lost another marble. You get the feeling a Trumper Tantrum isn't far away or a Howard Dean.

    Still, has a lot of delegates in the bank but things are not getting easier.

    Weirdest theory I heard today.

    He's like Brewster in Brewster's Millions. He doesn't want to win, so he keeps on doing/saying outrageous things so he'll lose.

    Except all it does is boost his poll share.
    Imagine if he has been filming all the behind the scenes stuff....reality tv show hit right there....

    Brewster's Millions with the great Richard Pryor.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Y0kel said:

    I'm wondering if Trump is losing the electoral thread a bit, its like he's lost another marble. You get the feeling a Trumper Tantrum isn't far away or a Howard Dean.

    Still, has a lot of delegates in the bank but things are not getting easier.

    The problem facing Trump is that his enemies are unreasonable power hungry people, whatever Trump suggests they are automatically against and they denounce him with the strongest possible words even if it's actually their own policy, there is nothing that Trump can do about them.

    Example the latest episode over abortion, this NeverTrump has actually suggested something much worse yet he still denounces Trump as an extremist:

    https://twitter.com/AdamWeinstein/status/715285640192065536


    This whole NeverTrump movement is simply a power struggle by the worst people in politics (consultants) trying to maintain their jobs and influence, it has nothing to do with ideology or policies it's just pure corruption.
    And the longer the fight goes on the worse the outcome for everyone involved, as shown in the polls.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Brewster's Millions were an idiot is tasked with spending $30 million in 30 days, to inherit $300 million....

    George Osborne does realise its just a work of fiction right?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I'm also on team Jeremy Hunt because Tissue Price and I are on him as next PM at 66/1he's been firm with the Doctors.

    Always good when a Tory Minister puts the public sector in their place.

    Their place being the plane to Australia?
    But they tell us they love the NHS, nor is this about money.

    They really love the NHS if they are heading for Australia.
    Retention rates in Medicine are at an all time low, at least until this years figures are published, but despite my jest it is not Australia that is the destination. There are the same numbers heading there as in 2013 (about 8%) the big increase is in people quitting medicine entirely. This is probably worse as Doctors in Australia may return if conditions improve, but those who quit for other careers will most likely never return.
    What are the exit opportunities like for junior doctors? I have seen a few working as equity research analysts covering the healthcare sector, however, it is not like there is an abundance of such roles.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,776
    HurstLlama said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    Hammond has been a spineless insect since he joined the FCO. I think he is vastly overrated.
    I'd agree with that assessment, he is completely house trained and not much more than a talking suit.

    May has been a competent Home Secretary but nothing more and certainly doesn't inspire as a leader.

    Gove, as I have already noted, has ruled himself out as not being up to the job.
    May has been a competent Home Secretary but nothing more and certainly doesn't inspire as a leader.

    Isn't it extremely difficult to be a competent Home Secretary? For that reason alone, maybe Ms May's abilities are greater than would appear.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited March 2016
    AnneJGP said:

    HurstLlama said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    HurstLlama said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    NickPalmer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/715286949741858817

    There's a Trump thing going here - people who know Boris often feel he's not suitable to be Prime Ministethe country's leader, but people who don't know him often think he's a breath of fresh air. It's quite possible to be both, of course - a big change in style but not one that people really want when it comes to it.

    The risk for the Tories is that they do choose Boris because the members insist (in other words that MPs don't keep him off the ballot - what else does that remind you of?) and he then has a honeymoon which turns horribly sour by 2020.
    I can't tell you how just how much dread Boris as Tory leader fills me with.

    JohnO, Casino Royale, and I represent a range of Toryism, and we all think Boris as leader will be a fecking disaster.
    And I would agree with you. The question is who in the Conservative Party line up would make a good PM? There is no one on that list you posted who would make me vote Conservative again. Javid had the potential but he is proving a dreadful failure in a cabinet post. One of the younger ladies perhaps?
    I'm for team Gove, May or Hammond.

    Sensible, boring, competent choices
    Hammond has been a spineless insect since he joined the FCO. I think he is vastly overrated.
    I'd agree with that assessment, he is completely house trained and not much more than a talking suit.

    May has been a competent Home Secretary but nothing more and certainly doesn't inspire as a leader.

    Gove, as I have already noted, has ruled himself out as not being up to the job.
    May has been a competent Home Secretary but nothing more and certainly doesn't inspire as a leader.

    Isn't it extremely difficult to be a competent Home Secretary? For that reason alone, maybe Ms May's abilities are greater than would appear.
    Not sure how well her constant complaints about European related laws / courts making her difficult job much more difficult then backing Remain, will work out.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2016
    Danny565 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Y0kel said:

    I'm wondering if Trump is losing the electoral thread a bit, its like he's lost another marble. You get the feeling a Trumper Tantrum isn't far away or a Howard Dean.

    Still, has a lot of delegates in the bank but things are not getting easier.

    Weirdest theory I heard today.

    He's like Brewster in Brewster's Millions. He doesn't want to win, so he keeps on doing/saying outrageous things so he'll lose.

    Except all it does is boost his poll share.
    There has been the occasional theory bandied about that he's being paid by Hillary to sabotage the Republicans from the inside.
    The Trump candidacy has shone a bright light on the ugliness, incompetence, corruption, out of touchness of the Republican party.

    All those things that people who regularly observe politics knew for a long time, the first sings came in 1992, the validation came during the Bush W. years.

    Only now though everyone, even those who usually are indifferent, are paying attention to what the Republican party really stands for, and people hate what the republican party stands for and it's incompetent corrupt leaders.

    To give an idea how destructive this primary is for the GOP, it's like the day IDS resigned for the Tories but make it everyday for 9 months with another 3 months at least to go and only 6 months till election day.

    Goodnight.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited March 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Y0kel said:

    I'm wondering if Trump is losing the electoral thread a bit, its like he's lost another marble. You get the feeling a Trumper Tantrum isn't far away or a Howard Dean.

    Still, has a lot of delegates in the bank but things are not getting easier.

    Weirdest theory I heard today.

    He's like Brewster in Brewster's Millions. He doesn't want to win, so he keeps on doing/saying outrageous things so he'll lose.

    Except all it does is boost his poll share.
    As good as any theory going. I've done really well out of the last two GOP contests but just packed it in this year. Just couldn't get my head around it but the bones are beginning to feel Trump has gone over the top of the hill forgetting that the point is to get to the top and stay there.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @AnneJGP


    'May has been a competent Home Secretary but nothing more and certainly doesn't inspire as a leader.'

    'Isn't it extremely difficult to be a competent Home Secretary? For that reason alone, maybe Ms May's abilities are greater than would appear.'


    Spot on, the normal tenure for the job is two years.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,874
    Blimey, thought Stephen Bush was older than he clearly is !
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