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On the plus you get thousands of Tories. What's not to like ?Chris_A said:
Oh God do we have to put up with half the city centre being blocked off again. It's already a nightmare around the ICC.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.Mortimer said:
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.Mortimer said:
Are you going to the Conference this year?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PBDanny565 said:
Would you vote Labour?TheScreamingEagles said:
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.Mortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
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At least it is for the party of Govt.Chris_A said:
Oh God do we have to put up with half the city centre being blocked off again. It's already a nightmare around the ICC.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.Mortimer said:
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.Mortimer said:
Are you going to the Conference this year?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PBDanny565 said:
Would you vote Labour?TheScreamingEagles said:
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.Mortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
Could be worse, could be the national meeting of the Islington Train Set society.0 -
Plus as leader Fox negates any Tory attacks against Corbyn on national security grounds.Mortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.0 -
I will see you both there - will be good to meet you, Mortimer. Hopefully a PB meet can be arranged as well.Mortimer said:
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.Mortimer said:
Are you going to the Conference this year?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PBDanny565 said:
Would you vote Labour?TheScreamingEagles said:
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.Mortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html0 -
Well Cameron does surround himself with EU fanatics,delusional.isam said:'A SENIOR government minister has claimed Downing Street is descending into panic over David Cameron’s failing EU renegotiation, a Eurosceptic MP claimed last night.
The revelation came as top Tories shared a stage with Nigel Farage for the first time during the “Brexit” campaign — turning their joint fire on David Cameron.
Senior Eurosceptic Tory backbencher Steve Baker told the crowd: “A Eurosceptic member of the government and I had a drink last night and he told me very plainly that it was his clear understanding that the government expected having come back with this deal, that they would show it to the public, get a round of applause and be a 20-30 points ahead for remain.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6923921/Downing-Street-panic-after-top-Tories-share-stage-with-Nigel-Farage.html0 -
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.0 -
Hence the rise of Corbyn and UKIP, Sanders and TrumpSean_F said:
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.HYUFD said:
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speechMTimT said:A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."0 -
Et toi aussi, monsieur!Tissue_Price said:
I will see you both there - will be good to meet you, Mortimer. Hopefully a PB meet can be arranged as well.Mortimer said:
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.Mortimer said:
Are you going to the Conference this year?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PBDanny565 said:
Would you vote Labour?TheScreamingEagles said:
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.Mortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
A PB meet would be great! I've never managed to make it to one yet.0 -
Has he morphed into Gordon?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh God.
Farage is talking about British Jobs for British Workers on the front page of tomorrow's Express0 -
Fox could be the Trump of the conservatives,the westminster bubble v the real world out there.TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus as leader Fox negates any Tory attacks against Corbyn on national security grounds.Mortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.0 -
When you surround yourself with an out of touch metropolitan elite such reactions should not be surprising.isam said:'A SENIOR government minister has claimed Downing Street is descending into panic over David Cameron’s failing EU renegotiation, a Eurosceptic MP claimed last night.
The revelation came as top Tories shared a stage with Nigel Farage for the first time during the “Brexit” campaign — turning their joint fire on David Cameron.
Senior Eurosceptic Tory backbencher Steve Baker told the crowd: “A Eurosceptic member of the government and I had a drink last night and he told me very plainly that it was his clear understanding that the government expected having come back with this deal, that they would show it to the public, get a round of applause and be a 20-30 points ahead for remain.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6923921/Downing-Street-panic-after-top-Tories-share-stage-with-Nigel-Farage.html0 -
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.0 -
Doesn't have the charisma, media savvy or money.Tykejohnno said:
Fox could be the Trump of the conservatives,the westminster bubble v the real world out there.TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus as leader Fox negates any Tory attacks against Corbyn on national security grounds.Mortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.0 -
Add a hatred of political correctness in the US by the growing majority which is the non-PC class that allows Trump's statements on Mexicans and Muslims to actually increase his levels of support.Sean_F said:
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.HYUFD said:
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speechMTimT said:A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."0 -
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the timeMortimer said:
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.0 -
Well the meeting in the Prince of Wales the last time was pleasant. Real ale too if you like that sort of thing.TheScreamingEagles said:
On the plus you get thousands of Tories. What's not to like ?Chris_A said:
Oh God do we have to put up with half the city centre being blocked off again. It's already a nightmare around the ICC.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.Mortimer said:
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.Mortimer said:
Are you going to the Conference this year?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PBDanny565 said:
Would you vote Labour?TheScreamingEagles said:
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.Mortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html0 -
It beggars belief that Jeremy Hunt chooses the day after imposing a hated contract to investigate why junior doctors have poor morale:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12152861/Jeremy-Hunt-mocked-for-irony-of-announcing-review-of-junior-doctors-morale-as-new-contract-is-forced-through.html
It should not take long! What a #tubularbellend !0 -
Nah. Fox for starters isn't an Islamophobe like Trump.Tykejohnno said:
Fox could be the Trump of the conservatives,the westminster bubble v the real world out there.TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus as leader Fox negates any Tory attacks against Corbyn on national security grounds.Mortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.0 -
Bullshit/smear alert.. You should take lessons from the BMAMP_SE said:
When you surround yourself with an out of touch metropolitan elite such reactions should not be surprising.isam said:'A SENIOR government minister has claimed Downing Street is descending into panic over David Cameron’s failing EU renegotiation, a Eurosceptic MP claimed last night.
The revelation came as top Tories shared a stage with Nigel Farage for the first time during the “Brexit” campaign — turning their joint fire on David Cameron.
Senior Eurosceptic Tory backbencher Steve Baker told the crowd: “A Eurosceptic member of the government and I had a drink last night and he told me very plainly that it was his clear understanding that the government expected having come back with this deal, that they would show it to the public, get a round of applause and be a 20-30 points ahead for remain.”
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6923921/Downing-Street-panic-after-top-Tories-share-stage-with-Nigel-Farage.html0 -
That was 2005.HYUFD said:
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the timeMortimer said:
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
And he didn't knock Davis out.0 -
It's a small thing, but I think that the degree of public hostility towards Rhodes Must Fall, or the various Safe Spaces campaigns would not have been so intense 10 years ago, in an era of easy prosperity. These days, people have less patience with whiny students.HYUFD said:
Hence the rise of Corbyn and UKIP, Sanders and TrumpSean_F said:
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.HYUFD said:
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speechMTimT said:A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."0 -
He was just 6 votes awayMortimer said:
That was 2005.HYUFD said:
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the timeMortimer said:
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
And he didn't knock Davis out.0 -
The savvier docs are depressed with the realisation that their union leaders are playing games with their livelihoods.foxinsoxuk said:It beggars belief that Jeremy Hunt chooses the day after imposing a hated contract to investigate why junior doctors have poor morale:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12152861/Jeremy-Hunt-mocked-for-irony-of-announcing-review-of-junior-doctors-morale-as-new-contract-is-forced-through.html
It should not take long! What a #tubularbellend !0 -
Farage is on Question Time.0
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Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.HYUFD said:
He was just 6 votes awayMortimer said:
That was 2005.HYUFD said:
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the timeMortimer said:
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?0 -
Stephen Crabb is unusually good looking for a politician.0
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Voters are fed up with immigration and Islamic terrorism and also fed up with the City/Wall Street, it is why populist parties and candidates of left and right are doing so well across the western world.Sean_F said:
It's a small thing, but I think that the degree of public hostility towards Rhodes Must Fall, or the various Safe Spaces campaigns would not have been so intense 10 years ago, in an era of easy prosperity. These days, people have less patience with whiny students.HYUFD said:
Hence the rise of Corbyn and UKIP, Sanders and TrumpSean_F said:
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.HYUFD said:
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speechMTimT said:A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."0 -
David Cameron warned he risks destroying Tory party if he ignores grassroots ahead of EU referendum
In a letter to the Prime Minister, more than 130 councillors warn the Prime Minister that he risks “the long term future of the Conservative party” if he ignores activists ahead of the EU vote
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12152973/david-cameron-tory-party-warning-eu-referendum.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Loving the D Day reference.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/697877047155290112Danny565 said:Farage is on Question Time.
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The only ones that I meet pissed off with the BMA, are pissed off because they have not been militant enough!watford30 said:
The savvier docs are depressed with the realisation that their union leaders are playing games with their livelihoods.foxinsoxuk said:It beggars belief that Jeremy Hunt chooses the day after imposing a hated contract to investigate why junior doctors have poor morale:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12152861/Jeremy-Hunt-mocked-for-irony-of-announcing-review-of-junior-doctors-morale-as-new-contract-is-forced-through.html
It should not take long! What a #tubularbellend !0 -
@bbclaurak: 1st intervention for a while .. Ed Balls warns on Brexit but calls for limits on freedom of movement ... https://t.co/rsTz4g11C30
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Carwyn Jones likes to refute without evidence doesn't he.
Does he get away with it in Wales?0 -
Well if Con chooses Fox as leader they will be doing their absolute best to lose the GE.
Of course it's possible they will do that - but a lot MPs will be wary of Fox getting into the final 2 as they'll know he could win with the members.
Remember, some Cameron supporters voted Davis last time to knock out Fox.
I would be surprised if they let him into the final 2.0 -
56% of Democrats would vote for Obama if he could run again, just 20% for Clinton and 17% for Sanders. However only 16% of Republicans would vote for Romney, the same as Rubio, while Trump would get 26% and Cruz 21%
http://capx.co/obama-beats-hillary-in-a-walk-if-he-could-run-again/0 -
Fox v Corbyn would be an interesting election!MikeL said:Well if Con chooses Fox as leader they will be doing their absolute best to lose the GE.
Of course it's possible they will do that - but a lot MPs will be wary of Fox getting into the final 2 as they'll know he could win with the members.
Remember, some Cameron supporters voted Davis last time to knock out Fox.
I would be surprised if they let him into the final 2.0 -
George Clooney meeting w Merkel to see how he can help out w the migrant crisis
What?????
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3443106/Angela-Merkel-accused-tyranny-open-door-migrant-policy-George-Clooney-reveals-meeting-German-leader-discuss-crisis.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline#ixzz3ztm180Y00 -
I haven't been following the strike that closely, and I don't necessarily have all that much sympathy for the doctors (especially if their main complaint is about pay), but I don't understand this stuff about a "7-day NHS".
I don't see why we NEED to have non-urgent procedures available everyday. I would rather extra money was put into just getting the higher-quality medical care, even if it's only available on various days of the week, rather than spreading what we've already got more thinly just so people can have a bit more convenience in when they get that lower-quality care.0 -
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18 Europhiles in the top 20 and13 out of the top 13.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/697877047155290112Danny565 said:Farage is on Question Time.
Remainian invasion...0 -
Lol:isam said:George Clooney meeting w Merkel to see how he can help out w the migrant crisis
What?????
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3443106/Angela-Merkel-accused-tyranny-open-door-migrant-policy-George-Clooney-reveals-meeting-German-leader-discuss-crisis.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline#ixzz3ztm180Y0He hopes to use his star power to help alleviate Europe's refugee crisis
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3443106/Angela-Merkel-accused-tyranny-open-door-migrant-policy-George-Clooney-reveals-meeting-German-leader-discuss-crisis.html#ixzz3zu6bVGz30 -
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Was at college with Billy. Another BNC historian!TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.0 -
LOL Another PBer having a frustrating conversation with HYUFD ...Mortimer said:
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.HYUFD said:
He was just 6 votes awayMortimer said:
That was 2005.HYUFD said:
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the timeMortimer said:
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?0 -
And in the blue corner -TheScreamingEagles said:
Daniel Hannan @DanHannanMEP
Even @GoldmanSachs, the megabank funding the In campaign, admits that Britain hasn't changed anything substantive.
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Farage sounding as anti China as Trump on QT!0
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I feel like another discussion about Labour leadership rules might be in the offing....MTimT said:
LOL Another PBer having a frustrating conversation with HYUFD ...Mortimer said:
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.HYUFD said:
He was just 6 votes awayMortimer said:
That was 2005.HYUFD said:
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the timeMortimer said:
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?0 -
I imagine the result in H & M took UKIP completely by surprise.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
They don't win though.HYUFD said:
Voters are fed up with immigration and Islamic terrorism and also fed up with the City/Wall Street, it is why populist parties and candidates of left and right are doing so well across the western world.Sean_F said:
It's a small thing, but I think that the degree of public hostility towards Rhodes Must Fall, or the various Safe Spaces campaigns would not have been so intense 10 years ago, in an era of easy prosperity. These days, people have less patience with whiny students.HYUFD said:
Hence the rise of Corbyn and UKIP, Sanders and TrumpSean_F said:
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.HYUFD said:
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speechMTimT said:A very good analysis of Hillary's political positioning dilemma:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/there-is-only-one-way-1362390891388982.html
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."0 -
Carwyn Jones reminds me a bit of Ed Balls. Rare Labour figure with a bit of spunk about him.0
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Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?Pulpstar said:Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.0 -
He's not elected by the PB demographic?Mortimer said:
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?Pulpstar said:Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.0 -
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Shame his brains are in the same place.Danny565 said:Carwyn Jones reminds me a bit of Ed Balls. Rare Labour figure with a bit of spunk about him.
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Fixed it for ya.EPG said:
He's not elected by the PB demographic?Mortimer said:
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?Pulpstar said:Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
He's not elected by the PB a sensible demographic?0 -
So Hunt is even now stooping to lying about which Chief Executives supported his imposition of the contract. I think Fox's tubularbellend was being way too polite
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/11/jeremy-hunts-junior-docto_n_9211662.html0 -
Heh, not sure - its just annoying because a few people poo pooed me when I said it was a real issue for exporters/manufacturers when it shot from 1.2 to 1.4 against the € in a shortish space of time. I know because I do the accounts for an exporter with income, and the need to be competitive in Euros.Mortimer said:
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?Pulpstar said:Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
The drop to 1.3 is welcome relief, and its a lazy argument of the type suppliers use blaming "inflation, strength of pound, yada yada yada" of stuff that has happened and hasn't happened in the standard letter sent out to raise prices.0 -
Is the BMA going to pay their mortgages when they take longer term action?foxinsoxuk said:
The only ones that I meet pissed off with the BMA, are pissed off because they have not been militant enough!watford30 said:
The savvier docs are depressed with the realisation that their union leaders are playing games with their livelihoods.foxinsoxuk said:It beggars belief that Jeremy Hunt chooses the day after imposing a hated contract to investigate why junior doctors have poor morale:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12152861/Jeremy-Hunt-mocked-for-irony-of-announcing-review-of-junior-doctors-morale-as-new-contract-is-forced-through.html
It should not take long! What a #tubularbellend !0 -
Farage advocating leaving the EEA as well as EU.0
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Agreed.Pulpstar said:
Heh, not sure - its just annoying because a few people poo pooed me when I said it was a real issue for exporters/manufacturers when it shot from 1.2 to 1.4 against the € in a shortish space of time. I know because I do the accounts for an exporter with income, and the need to be competitive in Euros.Mortimer said:
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?Pulpstar said:Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
The drop to 1.3 is welcome relief, and its a lazy argument of the type suppliers use blaming "inflation, strength of pound, yada yada yada" of stuff that has happened and hasn't happened in the standard letter sent out to raise prices.
It is a lazy Labour attack from 6 months ago.0 -
Is it just me, or are the QT panelists all trying to talk straight to the camera today...0
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There are only two vaguely plausible leaders of the Conservative Party whom I absolutely could not support under any circumstances: DD and Liam Fox.
It's not their politics - I'd be happy with Owen Paterson, for example - it's their flakiness.0 -
I'm being seriousMortimer said:
Fixed it for ya.EPG said:
He's not elected by the PB demographic?Mortimer said:
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?Pulpstar said:Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
He's not elected by the PB a sensible demographic?
He still holds office because not everyone in the world is a Conservative.0 -
For shame.....EPG said:
I'm being seriousMortimer said:
Fixed it for ya.EPG said:
He's not elected by the PB demographic?Mortimer said:
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?Pulpstar said:Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
He's not elected by the PB a sensible demographic?
He still holds office because not everyone in the world is a Conservative.0 -
I think the strength of the pound is a justifiable point. The abysmal trade figures suggest a correction downwards should happen. However we still seem to be importing a lot of foreign capital and remain a safe haven of some sort. The last few months has been a downward trend though.0
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Farage just slaughtered Crabb, shows how much the immigration debate has turned0
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The Levellers and the Diggers were the original Eurosceptics
Giles Fraser
Democracy requires an intimate link between people and power. The EU has severed that link and turned itself into a club for big business
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/feb/11/the-levellers-and-the-diggers-were-the-original-eurosceptics
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If PB comments congress had a PR election the Conservatives would have a veto-proof majority
Wales isn't like that and many people don't have cash left over for betting on politics (that's still a thing here right?)0 -
Really?Pulpstar said:Farage advocating leaving the EEA as well as EU.
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Nothing frustrating about it, just pointing out the facts!MTimT said:
LOL Another PBer having a frustrating conversation with HYUFD ...Mortimer said:
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.HYUFD said:
He was just 6 votes awayMortimer said:
That was 2005.HYUFD said:
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the timeMortimer said:
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more euroscepticMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?0 -
Corbynism sweeping the nation....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Personally, if EEA is what Brexit would mean, then I would swing more firmly to Remain.Pulpstar said:Farage advocating leaving the EEA as well as EU.
The main problems with the EU imo are uncontrolled immigration and unrestricted "free trade" which screws over British jobs; the EEA would presumably mean both would remain the same.0 -
I'd assume so from the immigration comments.TheScreamingEagles said:
Really?Pulpstar said:Farage advocating leaving the EEA as well as EU.
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It's the growing excitement as we move into the coming UKIP vindication in the referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:
Corbynism sweeping the nation....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Indeed. My mother is Welsh. Wales is much, much poorer. I do when when the people of Wales will realise that Labour have done nothing to change this for several generations.EPG said:If PB comments congress had a PR election the Conservatives would have a veto-proof majority
Wales isn't like that and many people don't have cash left over for betting on politics (that's still a thing here right?)0 -
He was banging on about controlling borders and tariffs. That means not being in the EEA.TheScreamingEagles said:
Really?Pulpstar said:Farage advocating leaving the EEA as well as EU.
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Carwyn Jones seems to have forgotten that Ireland is also an Island.
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It was hardly shockingly poor to beat Ken Clarke, a former Chancellor and almost knock-out David Davis, the one-time favourite. The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref and at least 100 Tory MPs will back Brexit, probably more so there is plenty of scope for a Brexit candidate. I fail to see exactly what 'dynamics' I am failing to understand? I was at one time a Tory council candidate and chairman of my university Association, I was briefly a Labour member in the leadership election, I am not a member at present.Mortimer said:
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.HYUFD said:
He was just 6 votes awayMortimer said:
That was 2005.HYUFD said:
/Mortimer said:
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.HYUFD said:
Fox was alrMortimer said:
No - he wont.HYUFD said:
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favouriteMortimer said:
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
LFCBLOTOMortimer said:
LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?0 -
That northern WWC just loves dem kippers doesn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Ewww to his economic nationalism.foxinsoxuk said:
He was banging on about controlling borders and tariffs. That means not being in the EEA.TheScreamingEagles said:
Really?Pulpstar said:Farage advocating leaving the EEA as well as EU.
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Why?HYUFD said:The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref
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Yeah, but was he just trying to have it both ways, as usual?Pulpstar said:
I'd assume so from the immigration comments.TheScreamingEagles said:
Really?Pulpstar said:Farage advocating leaving the EEA as well as EU.
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The so called comedian says the issue over immigration isn't controlling the numbers, but the way the debate is conducted
One of the funniest things he's ever said Id imagine
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New Cruz attack ad on Trump 'Power for Personal Gain'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGWqKkzmJXw0 -
West End North (Eastleigh) will be counting in the morning.
Labour HOLD Lower Stoke (Coventry).0 -
Only Leanne Wood can make the term "food banks" sound sexy.0
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But how is that possible? PB contains all strands of political opinion...EPG said:
He's not elected by the PB demographic?Mortimer said:
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?Pulpstar said:Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
...from Eurosceptic Conservative to UKIP
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Cold shower now!Danny565 said:Only Leanne Wood can make the term "food banks" sound sexy.
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You're missing two dynamics and getting all excited about one poll (to which you always lend as much credence as if they were actual elections, by the way.HYUFD said:
It was hardly shockingly poor to beat Ken Clarke, a former Chancellor and almost knock-out David Davis, the one-time favourite. The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref and at least 100 Tory MPs will back Brexit, probably more so there is plenty of scope for a Brexit candidate. I fail to see exactly what 'dynamics' I am failing to understand? I was at one time a Tory council candidate and chairman of my university Association, I was briefly a Labour member in the leadership election, I am not a member at present.Mortimer said:
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He was just 6 votes awayMortimer said:
That was 2005.HYUFD said:
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Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.HYUFD said:
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membershipMortimer said:
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Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.HYUFD said:
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LFWNBPMHYUFD said:Liam Fox tops the latest ConservativeHome next leaders' poll for the first time, he gets 20.89% of Tory members' votes, Theresa May 20.60%, Boris Johnson 18.60% and George Osborne 14.88%
http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2016/02/fox-tops-our-next-leader-poll-but-with-the-joint-lowest-frontrunner-share-on-record.html
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
1) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to have a popular support base and be the nominated leader of that group - Fox is not the obvious leader of the sceptics.
2) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to not be detested by other strong support bases within the party - Fox is unpopular amongst the part of the Tory party which is keener to govern and win elections, REALLY unpopular. Unpopular enough that others would do all they could to stop him getting anywhere near the final ballot.0 -
As either it will be a narrow Remain in which case they will feel robbed, or it is Leave in which case they will back the best Leave candidate availableRichard_Nabavi said:
Why?HYUFD said:The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref
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Crompton had three times the amount of Asians and four times the number of Muslims than the Bolton average in 2007, I shouldn't think it has decreased sincefoxinsoxuk said:
That northern WWC just loves dem kippers doesn't it?TheScreamingEagles said:
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He's way out of his depthisam said:The so called comedian says the issue over immigration isn't controlling the numbers, but the way the debate is conducted
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