I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
Would you vote Labour?
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
Are you going to the Conference this year?
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.
Oh God do we have to put up with half the city centre being blocked off again. It's already a nightmare around the ICC.
On the plus you get thousands of Tories. What's not to like ?
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
Would you vote Labour?
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
Are you going to the Conference this year?
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.
Oh God do we have to put up with half the city centre being blocked off again. It's already a nightmare around the ICC.
At least it is for the party of Govt.
Could be worse, could be the national meeting of the Islington Train Set society.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus as leader Fox negates any Tory attacks against Corbyn on national security grounds.
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
Would you vote Labour?
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
Are you going to the Conference this year?
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
I will see you both there - will be good to meet you, Mortimer. Hopefully a PB meet can be arranged as well.
'A SENIOR government minister has claimed Downing Street is descending into panic over David Cameron’s failing EU renegotiation, a Eurosceptic MP claimed last night.
The revelation came as top Tories shared a stage with Nigel Farage for the first time during the “Brexit” campaign — turning their joint fire on David Cameron.
Senior Eurosceptic Tory backbencher Steve Baker told the crowd: “A Eurosceptic member of the government and I had a drink last night and he told me very plainly that it was his clear understanding that the government expected having come back with this deal, that they would show it to the public, get a round of applause and be a 20-30 points ahead for remain.”
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speech
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.
Hence the rise of Corbyn and UKIP, Sanders and Trump
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
Would you vote Labour?
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
Are you going to the Conference this year?
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
I will see you both there - will be good to meet you, Mortimer. Hopefully a PB meet can be arranged as well.
Et toi aussi, monsieur!
A PB meet would be great! I've never managed to make it to one yet.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus as leader Fox negates any Tory attacks against Corbyn on national security grounds.
Fox could be the Trump of the conservatives,the westminster bubble v the real world out there.
'A SENIOR government minister has claimed Downing Street is descending into panic over David Cameron’s failing EU renegotiation, a Eurosceptic MP claimed last night.
The revelation came as top Tories shared a stage with Nigel Farage for the first time during the “Brexit” campaign — turning their joint fire on David Cameron.
Senior Eurosceptic Tory backbencher Steve Baker told the crowd: “A Eurosceptic member of the government and I had a drink last night and he told me very plainly that it was his clear understanding that the government expected having come back with this deal, that they would show it to the public, get a round of applause and be a 20-30 points ahead for remain.”
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus as leader Fox negates any Tory attacks against Corbyn on national security grounds.
Fox could be the Trump of the conservatives,the westminster bubble v the real world out there.
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speech
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.
Add a hatred of political correctness in the US by the growing majority which is the non-PC class that allows Trump's statements on Mexicans and Muslims to actually increase his levels of support.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the time
I will quit the Tory party if Liam Fox becomes leader.
Would you vote Labour?
Nah. I would withdraw my canvassing and campaigning talents and do regular Fox is crap threads on PB
Are you going to the Conference this year?
Yeah. Filled in the application last week.
Good stuff - my efforts to persuade like minded mates to come too have not succeeded so far. The GF gave me the 'do I look like an idiot' face when I suggested she might like to come.
Well it is in Birmingham, can't blame them.
Oh God do we have to put up with half the city centre being blocked off again. It's already a nightmare around the ICC.
On the plus you get thousands of Tories. What's not to like ?
Well the meeting in the Prince of Wales the last time was pleasant. Real ale too if you like that sort of thing.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Plus as leader Fox negates any Tory attacks against Corbyn on national security grounds.
Fox could be the Trump of the conservatives,the westminster bubble v the real world out there.
Nah. Fox for starters isn't an Islamophobe like Trump.
'A SENIOR government minister has claimed Downing Street is descending into panic over David Cameron’s failing EU renegotiation, a Eurosceptic MP claimed last night.
The revelation came as top Tories shared a stage with Nigel Farage for the first time during the “Brexit” campaign — turning their joint fire on David Cameron.
Senior Eurosceptic Tory backbencher Steve Baker told the crowd: “A Eurosceptic member of the government and I had a drink last night and he told me very plainly that it was his clear understanding that the government expected having come back with this deal, that they would show it to the public, get a round of applause and be a 20-30 points ahead for remain.”
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the time
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speech
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.
Hence the rise of Corbyn and UKIP, Sanders and Trump
It's a small thing, but I think that the degree of public hostility towards Rhodes Must Fall, or the various Safe Spaces campaigns would not have been so intense 10 years ago, in an era of easy prosperity. These days, people have less patience with whiny students.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the time
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the time
That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speech
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.
Hence the rise of Corbyn and UKIP, Sanders and Trump
It's a small thing, but I think that the degree of public hostility towards Rhodes Must Fall, or the various Safe Spaces campaigns would not have been so intense 10 years ago, in an era of easy prosperity. These days, people have less patience with whiny students.
Voters are fed up with immigration and Islamic terrorism and also fed up with the City/Wall Street, it is why populist parties and candidates of left and right are doing so well across the western world.
David Cameron warned he risks destroying Tory party if he ignores grassroots ahead of EU referendum
In a letter to the Prime Minister, more than 130 councillors warn the Prime Minister that he risks “the long term future of the Conservative party” if he ignores activists ahead of the EU vote
56% of Democrats would vote for Obama if he could run again, just 20% for Clinton and 17% for Sanders. However only 16% of Republicans would vote for Romney, the same as Rubio, while Trump would get 26% and Cruz 21% http://capx.co/obama-beats-hillary-in-a-walk-if-he-could-run-again/
Stephen Crabb is unusually good looking for a politician.
Had dinner with him once at the Commons along with others, from a council house background and son of a single mother he is very personable in person, a good long-shot bet for next Tory leader
I haven't been following the strike that closely, and I don't necessarily have all that much sympathy for the doctors (especially if their main complaint is about pay), but I don't understand this stuff about a "7-day NHS".
I don't see why we NEED to have non-urgent procedures available everyday. I would rather extra money was put into just getting the higher-quality medical care, even if it's only available on various days of the week, rather than spreading what we've already got more thinly just so people can have a bit more convenience in when they get that lower-quality care.
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the time
That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?
LOL Another PBer having a frustrating conversation with HYUFD ...
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the time
That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?
LOL Another PBer having a frustrating conversation with HYUFD ...
I feel like another discussion about Labour leadership rules might be in the offing....
These passages particularly struck me as hitting home:
"Clinton’s campaign feels like it’s all about her — her résumé, her mettle, her 25 years of suffering through the indignities of public service. “I’m with her” is the slogan for a campaign that seems to signify nothing beyond the joyless accretion of personal loyalties."
"This was the shock wave of 2008 finally rising to the surface of our fractured politics. What Sanders and Donald Trump embody, each in his own strident way, is the disgust that’s been building for the eight years since Lehman Brothers collapsed and took the markets with it — eight years in which the wealthy and their wholly owned political parties recovered fabulously while everyone else stagnated."
"But if ... Clinton tries to ... make the case for a more pragmatic approach [based on who is best placed to operate in the system so reviled by the electorate - my addition], she’s seen as an ideological apostate, unwilling to take on the system. And so her choice is to be either a less genuine candidate than Sanders or a less progressive one — or some days both."
"Clinton has run a campaign that’s all about her bona fides, and nobody’s swooning. If she’s still defending her Wall Street speeches and whining about the vast right-wing conspiracy a few weeks from now, the nomination could very well slip away from her, again."
Hillary notably stepped up her rhetoric about reigning in Wall Street in her NH concession speech
Post 2008, the average Western voter detests big business, but loathes left wing identity politics, and is hostile to mass immigration. That up-ends traditional politics.
Hence the rise of Corbyn and UKIP, Sanders and Trump
It's a small thing, but I think that the degree of public hostility towards Rhodes Must Fall, or the various Safe Spaces campaigns would not have been so intense 10 years ago, in an era of easy prosperity. These days, people have less patience with whiny students.
Voters are fed up with immigration and Islamic terrorism and also fed up with the City/Wall Street, it is why populist parties and candidates of left and right are doing so well across the western world.
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?
He's not elected by the PB demographic?
Fixed it for ya.
He's not elected by the PB a sensible demographic?
So Hunt is even now stooping to lying about which Chief Executives supported his imposition of the contract. I think Fox's tubularbellend was being way too polite
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?
Heh, not sure - its just annoying because a few people poo pooed me when I said it was a real issue for exporters/manufacturers when it shot from 1.2 to 1.4 against the € in a shortish space of time. I know because I do the accounts for an exporter with income, and the need to be competitive in Euros.
The drop to 1.3 is welcome relief, and its a lazy argument of the type suppliers use blaming "inflation, strength of pound, yada yada yada" of stuff that has happened and hasn't happened in the standard letter sent out to raise prices.
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?
Heh, not sure - its just annoying because a few people poo pooed me when I said it was a real issue for exporters/manufacturers when it shot from 1.2 to 1.4 against the € in a shortish space of time. I know because I do the accounts for an exporter with income, and the need to be competitive in Euros.
The drop to 1.3 is welcome relief, and its a lazy argument of the type suppliers use blaming "inflation, strength of pound, yada yada yada" of stuff that has happened and hasn't happened in the standard letter sent out to raise prices.
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?
He's not elected by the PB demographic?
Fixed it for ya.
He's not elected by the PB a sensible demographic?
I'm being serious He still holds office because not everyone in the world is a Conservative.
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?
He's not elected by the PB demographic?
Fixed it for ya.
He's not elected by the PB a sensible demographic?
I'm being serious He still holds office because not everyone in the world is a Conservative.
I think the strength of the pound is a justifiable point. The abysmal trade figures suggest a correction downwards should happen. However we still seem to be importing a lot of foreign capital and remain a safe haven of some sort. The last few months has been a downward trend though.
If PB comments congress had a PR election the Conservatives would have a veto-proof majority Wales isn't like that and many people don't have cash left over for betting on politics (that's still a thing here right?)
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the time
That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?
LOL Another PBer having a frustrating conversation with HYUFD ...
Nothing frustrating about it, just pointing out the facts!
Personally, if EEA is what Brexit would mean, then I would swing more firmly to Remain.
The main problems with the EU imo are uncontrolled immigration and unrestricted "free trade" which screws over British jobs; the EEA would presumably mean both would remain the same.
If PB comments congress had a PR election the Conservatives would have a veto-proof majority Wales isn't like that and many people don't have cash left over for betting on politics (that's still a thing here right?)
Indeed. My mother is Welsh. Wales is much, much poorer. I do when when the people of Wales will realise that Labour have done nothing to change this for several generations.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was alr
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
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That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?
It was hardly shockingly poor to beat Ken Clarke, a former Chancellor and almost knock-out David Davis, the one-time favourite. The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref and at least 100 Tory MPs will back Brexit, probably more so there is plenty of scope for a Brexit candidate. I fail to see exactly what 'dynamics' I am failing to understand? I was at one time a Tory council candidate and chairman of my university Association, I was briefly a Labour member in the leadership election, I am not a member at present.
Farage was right to call out Carwyn on the strength of the pound there. It gets trotted out far too much as a bullshit argument even when it has fallen. He may have had a point at 1.4 to the € but it gets my goat up that it was used then when it has fallen to 1.3, and the $ is v strong vs the £ anyway.
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Carwyn Jones comes across worse and worse each time I see him - how does he still hold office?
He's not elected by the PB demographic?
But how is that possible? PB contains all strands of political opinion...
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
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Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
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That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
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It was hardly shockingly poor to beat Ken Clarke, a former Chancellor and almost knock-out David Davis, the one-time favourite. The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref and at least 100 Tory MPs will back Brexit, probably more so there is plenty of scope for a Brexit candidate. I fail to see exactly what 'dynamics' I am failing to understand? I was at one time a Tory council candidate and chairman of my university Association, I was briefly a Labour member in the leadership election, I am not a member at present.
You're missing two dynamics and getting all excited about one poll (to which you always lend as much credence as if they were actual elections, by the way.
1) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to have a popular support base and be the nominated leader of that group - Fox is not the obvious leader of the sceptics.
2) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to not be detested by other strong support bases within the party - Fox is unpopular amongst the part of the Tory party which is keener to govern and win elections, REALLY unpopular. Unpopular enough that others would do all they could to stop him getting anywhere near the final ballot.
The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref
Why?
As either it will be a narrow Remain in which case they will feel robbed, or it is Leave in which case they will back the best Leave candidate available
That northern WWC just loves dem kippers doesn't it?
Crompton had three times the amount of Asians and four times the number of Muslims than the Bolton average in 2007, I shouldn't think it has decreased since
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/?cartoon=12153133&cc=12134959
Could be worse, could be the national meeting of the Islington Train Set society.
A PB meet would be great! I've never managed to make it to one yet.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/12152861/Jeremy-Hunt-mocked-for-irony-of-announcing-review-of-junior-doctors-morale-as-new-contract-is-forced-through.html
It should not take long! What a #tubularbellend !
And he didn't knock Davis out.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?
In a letter to the Prime Minister, more than 130 councillors warn the Prime Minister that he risks “the long term future of the Conservative party” if he ignores activists ahead of the EU vote
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12152973/david-cameron-tory-party-warning-eu-referendum.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Does he get away with it in Wales?
Of course it's possible they will do that - but a lot MPs will be wary of Fox getting into the final 2 as they'll know he could win with the members.
Remember, some Cameron supporters voted Davis last time to knock out Fox.
I would be surprised if they let him into the final 2.
http://capx.co/obama-beats-hillary-in-a-walk-if-he-could-run-again/
What?????
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3443106/Angela-Merkel-accused-tyranny-open-door-migrant-policy-George-Clooney-reveals-meeting-German-leader-discuss-crisis.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline#ixzz3ztm180Y0
I don't see why we NEED to have non-urgent procedures available everyday. I would rather extra money was put into just getting the higher-quality medical care, even if it's only available on various days of the week, rather than spreading what we've already got more thinly just so people can have a bit more convenience in when they get that lower-quality care.
Remainian invasion...
It is NOT an argument right now, quite the opposite.
Daniel Hannan @DanHannanMEP
Even @GoldmanSachs, the megabank funding the In campaign, admits that Britain hasn't changed anything substantive.
He's not elected by the PB a sensible demographic?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/11/jeremy-hunts-junior-docto_n_9211662.html
The drop to 1.3 is welcome relief, and its a lazy argument of the type suppliers use blaming "inflation, strength of pound, yada yada yada" of stuff that has happened and hasn't happened in the standard letter sent out to raise prices.
It is a lazy Labour attack from 6 months ago.
It's not their politics - I'd be happy with Owen Paterson, for example - it's their flakiness.
Crabb is very good at it.
He still holds office because not everyone in the world is a Conservative.
Giles Fraser
Democracy requires an intimate link between people and power. The EU has severed that link and turned itself into a club for big business
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/feb/11/the-levellers-and-the-diggers-were-the-original-eurosceptics
Wales isn't like that and many people don't have cash left over for betting on politics (that's still a thing here right?)
The main problems with the EU imo are uncontrolled immigration and unrestricted "free trade" which screws over British jobs; the EEA would presumably mean both would remain the same.
Beyond parody.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/697926166234189825
One of the funniest things he's ever said Id imagine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGWqKkzmJXw
Labour HOLD Lower Stoke (Coventry).
...from Eurosceptic Conservative to UKIP
1) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to have a popular support base and be the nominated leader of that group - Fox is not the obvious leader of the sceptics.
2) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to not be detested by other strong support bases within the party - Fox is unpopular amongst the part of the Tory party which is keener to govern and win elections, REALLY unpopular. Unpopular enough that others would do all they could to stop him getting anywhere near the final ballot.
http://www.bolton.gov.uk/sites/DocumentCentre/Documents/Crompton PDF.pdf