The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref
Why?
As either it will be a narrow Remain in which case they will feel robbed, or it is Leave in which case they will back the best Leave candidate available
Oh, if it's Leave then all bets are off, because obviously we will need a different team to negotiate the new terms. But if it's Remain, I simply don't get this idea that there will be an appetite for a rerun. Voters will have spoken, the matter will be closed.
Declaring an interest here, Crabb is my MP and Carwyn my Labour leader in Wales. IMO Crabb is very lucky to be Sec of State. Gets elected down here because he is involved in church and lots of small groups. Likeable enough but no way PM material. Not a good debater and would flounder at the despatch box under pressure. Never been a big fan of Carwyn, but a step above Crabb. Wish he was more forceful sometimes and lacks the personality that Rhodri had.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
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Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, m
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That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
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It was hardly shockingly poor to beat Ken Clarke, a former Chancellor and almost knock-out David Davis, the one-time favourite. The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even mor
You're missing two dynamics and getting all excited about one poll (to which you always lend as much credence as if they were actual elections, by the way.
1) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to have a popular support base and be the nominated leader of that group - Fox is not the obvious leader of the sceptics.
2) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to not be detested by other strong support bases within the party - Fox is unpopular amongst the part of the Tory party which is keener to govern and win elections, REALLY unpopular. Unpopular enough that others would do all they could to stop him getting anywhere near the final ballot.
1) He is the most prominent BREXIT backer so far, that gives him a significant constituency, unless and until someone even more prominent in the Tory party backs Leave Fox will be leader of the sceptics by default
2) Yes being loathed by the likes of Michael Heseltine torpedoed IDS' leadership campaign in 2001 didn't it! Opponents can try as hard as they like to stop Fox but with 100-150 Tory MPs likely to back BREXIT there is nothing much they can do to stop a BREXIT backer getting on the ballot paper
Oh God, Liz Kendall is about to compare herself to Hillary Clinton.
Well, did she?
Not quite, but that was obviously implied.
She was going on about how the wise "moderates" like Clinton and herself were too mature for the poor voters to get their little heads round, when compared to the savage "populists" who dare to offer an alternative.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
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That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
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It was hardly shockingly poor to beat Ken Clarke, a former Chancellor and almost knock-out David Davis, the one-time favourite. The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even mor
You're missing two dynamics and getting all excited about one poll (to which you always lend as much credence as if they were actual elections, by the way.
1) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to have a popular support base and be the nominated leader of that group - Fox is not the obvious leader of the sceptics.
2) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to not be detested by other strong support bases within the party - Fox is unpopular amongst the part of the Tory party which is keener to govern and win elections, REALLY unpopular. Unpopular enough that others would do all they could to stop him getting anywhere near the final ballot.
1) He is the most prominent BREXIT backer so far, that gives him a significant constituency, unless and until someone even more prominent in the Tory party backs Leave Fox will be leader of the sceptics by default
2) Yes being loathed by the likes of Michael Heseltine torpedoed IDS' leadership campaign in 2001 didn't it! Opponents can try as hard as they like to stop Fox but with 100-150 Tory MPs likely to back BREXIT there is nothing much they can do to stop a BREXIT backer getting on the ballot paper
Heseltine was powerless by 2001.
Being unpopular with people who are SoS etc in Cabinet is entirely different.
And that is the last I will say about why Fox will never be Tory leader. You can take him on as your latest favourite if you like. It won't help him any more than it helped Burnham.
Yet we are told that Corbyn goes down in Northern England like a cup of cold sick while Faragism sweeps the nation. Colour me a little sceptical!
I would have thought corbynism goes down very well In areas with huge muslim populations like Crompton, and Farage goes down like cold sick
UKIP got 21% in 2014, 10% tonight.
Do muslims breed that fast? Or is it that UKIP are flopping here? It looks like the latter to me!
White flight is the term you are looking for.
Since May 2014?
Or is it that the people have seen through the kippers...
Half the turnout would not have helped. I have lost enthusiasm for Ukip, for me the GE is four years away and the most important thing is the referendum.
Yet we are told that Corbyn goes down in Northern England like a cup of cold sick while Faragism sweeps the nation. Colour me a little sceptical!
I would have thought corbynism goes down very well In areas with huge muslim populations like Crompton, and Farage goes down like cold sick
UKIP got 21% in 2014, 10% tonight.
Do muslims breed that fast? Or is it that UKIP are flopping here? It looks like the latter to me!
White flight is the term you are looking for.
Since May 2014?
Or is it that the people have seen through the kippers...
Half the turnout would not have helped. I have lost enthusiasm for Ukip, for me the GE is four years away and the most important thing is the referendum.
Having said that Farage was good on QT
Half the vote on half the turnout? So only 25% of those who voted kipper in May 2014 were willing to turn out again for the kippers. Faragism sweeping the nation...
Yet we are told that Corbyn goes down in Northern England like a cup of cold sick while Faragism sweeps the nation. Colour me a little sceptical!
I would have thought corbynism goes down very well In areas with huge muslim populations like Crompton, and Farage goes down like cold sick
UKIP got 21% in 2014, 10% tonight.
Do muslims breed that fast? Or is it that UKIP are flopping here? It looks like the latter to me!
White flight is the term you are looking for.
Since May 2014?
Or is it that the people have seen through the kippers...
Half the turnout would not have helped. I have lost enthusiasm for Ukip, for me the GE is four years away and the most important thing is the referendum.
Having said that Farage was good on QT
Half the vote on half the turnout? So only 25% of those who voted kipper in May 2014 were willing to turn out again for the kippers. Faragism sweeping the nation...
As I said the referendum is much more important than the Ukip vote, if you read much into this by election that is up to you.
I care about coming out of the horrible EU, not the long term prospects of Ukip
Yet we are told that Corbyn goes down in Northern England like a cup of cold sick while Faragism sweeps the nation. Colour me a little sceptical!
I would have thought corbynism goes down very well In areas with huge muslim populations like Crompton, and Farage goes down like cold sick
UKIP got 21% in 2014, 10% tonight.
Do muslims breed that fast? Or is it that UKIP are flopping here? It looks like the latter to me!
White flight is the term you are looking for.
Since May 2014?
Or is it that the people have seen through the kippers...
Half the turnout would not have helped. I have lost enthusiasm for Ukip, for me the GE is four years away and the most important thing is the referendum.
Having said that Farage was good on QT
Half the vote on half the turnout? So only 25% of those who voted kipper in May 2014 were willing to turn out again for the kippers. Faragism sweeping the nation...
As I said the referendum is much more important than the Ukip vote, if you read much into this by election that is up to you.
I care about coming out of the horrible EU, not the long term prospects of Ukip
In both Coventry and Bolton parties supporting Remain go up, Leavers go down...
Yet we are told that Corbyn goes down in Northern England like a cup of cold sick while Faragism sweeps the nation. Colour me a little sceptical!
I would have thought corbynism goes down very well In areas with huge muslim populations like Crompton, and Farage goes down like cold sick
UKIP got 21% in 2014, 10% tonight.
Do muslims breed that fast? Or is it that UKIP are flopping here? It looks like the latter to me!
White flight is the term you are looking for.
Since May 2014?
Or is it that the people have seen through the kippers...
Half the turnout would not have helped. I have lost enthusiasm for Ukip, for me the GE is four years away and the most important thing is the referendum.
Having said that Farage was good on QT
Half the vote on half the turnout? So only 25% of those who voted kipper in May 2014 were willing to turn out again for the kippers. Faragism sweeping the nation...
As I said the referendum is much more important than the Ukip vote, if you read much into this by election that is up to you.
I care about coming out of the horrible EU, not the long term prospects of Ukip
In both Coventry and Bolton parties supporting Remain go up, Leavers go down...
Good news for you and your self interest, form filling will be easy and you can bugger off to the sun.
Not sure Labour will be able to complete the fourfold in Eastleigh. I'd expect the Lib Dems to perhaps increase their majority though, given the fact the Docs strike is playing out to the Tories' disadvantage at the moment.
Not sure Labour will be able to complete the fourfold in Eastleigh. I'd expect the Lib Dems to perhaps increase their majority though, given the fact the Docs strike is playing out to the Tories' disadvantage at the moment.
Lib dems sweeping Eastleigh,who would have thought ;-)
Yet we are told that Corbyn goes down in Northern England like a cup of cold sick while Faragism sweeps the nation. Colour me a little sceptical!
I would have thought corbynism goes down very well In areas with huge muslim populations like Crompton, and Farage goes down like cold sick
UKIP got 21% in 2014, 10% tonight.
Do muslims breed that fast? Or is it that UKIP are flopping here? It looks like the latter to me!
White flight is the term you are looking for.
Since May 2014?
Or is it that the people have seen through the kippers...
Half the turnout would not have helped. I have lost enthusiasm for Ukip, for me the GE is four years away and the most important thing is the referendum.
Having said that Farage was good on QT
Half the vote on half the turnout? So only 25% of those who voted kipper in May 2014 were willing to turn out again for the kippers. Faragism sweeping the nation...
As I said the referendum is much more important than the Ukip vote, if you read much into this by election that is up to you.
I care about coming out of the horrible EU, not the long term prospects of Ukip
In both Coventry and Bolton parties supporting Remain go up, Leavers go down...
Good news for you and your self interest, form filling will be easy and you can bugger off to the sun.
Just a few of the many advantages Remaining in the EU will bring!
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
It depends on EUref, if it is Remain I would agree Fox is unlikely to be the next leader, though if it is close he will be a contendor, if it is Leave he becomes the favourite
No - he wont.
I'd be surprised if he made it to 4th or 5th in the MPs contest.
Fox was already a strong 3rd amongst MPs in 2005 with 51 Tory MPs backing him and almost pipped Davis for the run-off, the parliamentary party is now even more eurosceptic
WikiBot HYUFD strikes again.
That is the past.
Fox is not popular amongst the parliamentary Party.
Evidence? He is probably popular enough to get into the final 2, especially if there is a strong Leave vote and he is popular with the membership
Loose canon, managed to get sacked very soon after the coalition took office.
Plus, most of the Parly party only know him as a leadership contest loser. In the Tory party today, that sticks.
He very nearly knocked out Davis in the final round and he never went to the membership but would have likely given Cameron a closer race according to polls at the time
That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
Losing to Davies is pretty shockingly poor.
You don't seem to have an understanding of the dynamics of political parties. Are you a member of any?
Davies was not a candidate - I think Davis was though!
Declaring an interest here, Crabb is my MP and Carwyn my Labour leader in Wales. IMO Crabb is very lucky to be Sec of State. Gets elected down here because he is involved in church and lots of small groups. Likeable enough but no way PM material. Not a good debater and would flounder at the despatch box under pressure. Never been a big fan of Carwyn, but a step above Crabb. Wish he was more forceful sometimes and lacks the personality that Rhodri had.
@Involved in the church'? That sounds highly hypocritical for a rightwing Tory to say the least! He clearly fails to practise what he preaches.
Nah - he has been in the public eye, and mostly for the wrong reasons, for too long.
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That was 2005.
And he didn't knock Davis out.
He was just 6 votes away
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It was hardly shockingly poor to beat Ken Clarke, a former Chancellor and almost knock-out David Davis, the one-time favourite. The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even mor
You're missing two dynamics and getting all excited about one poll (to which you always lend as much credence as if they were actual elections, by the way.
1) To win a party leadership election such as in the Tory party you need to have a popular support base and be the nominated leader of that group - Fox is not the obvious leader of the sceptics.
1) He is the most prominent BREXIT backer so far, that gives him a significant constituency, unless and until someone even more prominent in the Tory party backs Leave Fox will be leader of the sceptics by default
2) Yes being loathed by the likes of Michael Heseltine torpedoed IDS' leadership campaign in 2001 didn't it! Opponents can try as hard as they like to stop Fox but with 100-150 Tory MPs likely to back BREXIT there is nothing much they can do to stop a BREXIT backer getting on the ballot paper
Heseltine was powerless by 2001.
Being unpopular with people who are SoS etc in Cabinet is entirely different.
And that is the last I will say about why Fox will never be Tory leader. You can take him on as your latest favourite if you like. It won't help him any more than it helped Burnham.
Heseltine was one of the biggest Tory beasts in the jungle and IDS was also unpopular with the likes of Maude and Portillo etc who were prominent figures in the Tory Party at the time and had been in Hague's Shadow Cabinet. Fox would be the activists choice, Burnham was a good choice for the general election but the activists wanted Corbyn. As I said Fox's chances are tied to EUref, the higher the Leave vote, the better his prospects. Goodnight
Liam Fox's problem is that he has been Defence Minister. A senior post, of special importance to Conservative Party members.
It wasn't, shall we say, the most glittering of ministerial careers.
Did he not go to Dubai on defence matters with advisor ?
Not just Dubai:
Between February 2009 and 2011 Werritty was in Fox's company on many trips abroad:
Israel, February 2009. Singapore, 4–6 June 2010. Dubai, 7–8 June 2010. Florida, 2–3 July 2010. Dubai, 6–8 August 2010. Washington DC September 2010 Bahrain, 2–6 December 2010. Dubai, 17–22 December 2010. Hong Kong, 16–23 January 2011. Israel, 6–7 February. Switzerland, 17–21 February. Dubai, April 2011. Abu Dhabi, 14–18 April 2011. Florida/Washington, 22–25 May 2011. Hong Kong, 31 May – 1 June 2011. Singapore, 2–6 June 2011. Sri Lanka, July 2011. Dubai, 17 June 2011. Washington DC, 30 June – 3 July 2011. Spain, 5–9 August.
"David Cameron’s ‘thin gruel’ EU referendum deal has been watered down even further, according to documents leaked last night.
The Prime Minister’s draft agreement with Brussels had already been condemned as ‘feeble’ by Tory backbenchers. But No 10’s hopes of bolstering the deal ahead of next week’s summit were dashed by an updated version which critics say is even worse."
Oh Dear ...... has it just become even worse for Cameron?
"David Cameron’s ‘thin gruel’ EU referendum deal has been watered down even further, according to documents leaked last night.
The Prime Minister’s draft agreement with Brussels had already been condemned as ‘feeble’ by Tory backbenchers. But No 10’s hopes of bolstering the deal ahead of next week’s summit were dashed by an updated version which critics say is even worse."
Oh Dear ...... has it just become even worse for Cameron?
It was unlikely that the Mail would find anything in the EU deal to cheer......what's worse - a parachute with one hole in it, or one with two?
He was banging on about controlling borders and tariffs. That means not being in the EEA.
Fail to see how this is a massive shock since its in the kipper manifesto.
TO REFORM OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM UKIP WILL: • Take back control of our borders • Put a five-year moratorium on immigration for unskilled workers, which will enable the unemployed already living here to find work and those already working to see wage growth • Introduce an Australian-style points based system to manage the number and skills of people coming into the country, treating all citizens of the world on a fair and equal basis as a welcoming, outward-looking country
The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref
Why?
As either it will be a narrow Remain in which case they will feel robbed, or it is Leave in which case they will back the best Leave candidate available
Oh, if it's Leave then all bets are off, because obviously we will need a different team to negotiate the new terms. But if it's Remain, I simply don't get this idea that there will be an appetite for a rerun. Voters will have spoken, the matter will be closed.
If Remain wins but the their campaign promises are quickly proven false,(e.g, the next EU treaty commits all member states to full union by 2050) they'll be accused of campaigning in bad faith, cheating their way to victory.
If this happens, and the Remain margin of victory is narrow, say under 5%, expect loud calls to rerun the referendum, this time with both sides campaigning honestly.
He was banging on about controlling borders and tariffs. That means not being in the EEA.
Fail to see how this is a massive shock since its in the kipper manifesto.
TO REFORM OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM UKIP WILL: • Take back control of our borders • Put a five-year moratorium on immigration for unskilled workers, which will enable the unemployed already living here to find work and those already working to see wage growth • Introduce an Australian-style points based system to manage the number and skills of people coming into the country, treating all citizens of the world on a fair and equal basis as a welcoming, outward-looking country
Exactly. So not compatible with membership of the EEA, which is what the original point was.
"David Cameron’s ‘thin gruel’ EU referendum deal has been watered down even further, according to documents leaked last night.
The Prime Minister’s draft agreement with Brussels had already been condemned as ‘feeble’ by Tory backbenchers. But No 10’s hopes of bolstering the deal ahead of next week’s summit were dashed by an updated version which critics say is even worse."
Oh Dear ...... has it just become even worse for Cameron?
If, as it seems, the latest changes have put the City offside, then much worse.
UKIP down about 10% in each of Hounslow, Coventry and Bolton results. LibDems up around 5.5% in two and 0.5% in the other. Con roughly the same. Lab up 10.5% in two, 0.3% in the third. https://twitter.com/britainelects
UKIP down about 10% in each of Hounslow, Coventry and Bolton results. LibDems up around 5.5% in two and 0.5% in the other. Con roughly the same. Lab up 10.5% in two, 0.3% in the third. https://twitter.com/britainelects
Oh God, Liz Kendall is about to compare herself to Hillary Clinton.
A reasonable comparison. They are both rude, arrogant, self-centred, have a long track record of failure, female, and get walloped by geriatric socialists who inspire messianic fervour in the party's activist base.
"David Cameron’s ‘thin gruel’ EU referendum deal has been watered down even further, according to documents leaked last night.
The Prime Minister’s draft agreement with Brussels had already been condemned as ‘feeble’ by Tory backbenchers. But No 10’s hopes of bolstering the deal ahead of next week’s summit were dashed by an updated version which critics say is even worse."
Oh Dear ...... has it just become even worse for Cameron?
It was unlikely that the Mail would find anything in the EU deal to cheer......what's worse - a parachute with one hole in it, or one with two?
The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref
Why?
As either it will be a narrow Remain in which case they will feel robbed, or it is Leave in which case they will back the best Leave candidate available
Oh, if it's Leave then all bets are off, because obviously we will need a different team to negotiate the new terms. But if it's Remain, I simply don't get this idea that there will be an appetite for a rerun. Voters will have spoken, the matter will be closed.
If Remain wins but the their campaign promises are quickly proven false,(e.g, the next EU treaty commits all member states to full union by 2050) they'll be accused of campaigning in bad faith, cheating their way to victory.
If this happens, and the Remain margin of victory is narrow, say under 5%, expect loud calls to rerun the referendum, this time with both sides campaigning honestly.
This is music to my ears. The Tory Party will never be reconciled to a REMAIN win !
The Tory membership is eurosceptic and will become even more eurosceptic post EU ref
Why?
As either it will be a narrow Remain in which case they will feel robbed, or it is Leave in which case they will back the best Leave candidate available
Oh, if it's Leave then all bets are off, because obviously we will need a different team to negotiate the new terms. But if it's Remain, I simply don't get this idea that there will be an appetite for a rerun. Voters will have spoken, the matter will be closed.
If Remain wins but the their campaign promises are quickly proven false,(e.g, the next EU treaty commits all member states to full union by 2050) they'll be accused of campaigning in bad faith, cheating their way to victory.
If this happens, and the Remain margin of victory is narrow, say under 5%, expect loud calls to rerun the referendum, this time with both sides campaigning honestly.
This is music to my ears. The Tory Party will never be reconciled to a REMAIN win !
They can afford not to be, as they're the only show in town.
Yet we are told that Corbyn goes down in Northern England like a cup of cold sick while Faragism sweeps the nation. Colour me a little sceptical!
I would have thought corbynism goes down very well In areas with huge muslim populations like Crompton, and Farage goes down like cold sick
UKIP got 21% in 2014, 10% tonight.
Do muslims breed that fast? Or is it that UKIP are flopping here? It looks like the latter to me!
White flight is the term you are looking for.
Since May 2014?
Or is it that the people have seen through the kippers...
Half the turnout would not have helped. I have lost enthusiasm for Ukip, for me the GE is four years away and the most important thing is the referendum.
Having said that Farage was good on QT
Half the vote on half the turnout? So only 25% of those who voted kipper in May 2014 were willing to turn out again for the kippers. Faragism sweeping the nation...
As I said the referendum is much more important than the Ukip vote, if you read much into this by election that is up to you.
I care about coming out of the horrible EU, not the long term prospects of Ukip
In both Coventry and Bolton parties supporting Remain go up, Leavers go down...
i doubt if one can read very much into a couple of local elections, in terms of the EU referendum.
Why would anybody listen to an "erratic Marxist"? At least Corbyn isn't erratic.
Well, OK, apart from on defence..
I don't think he'd be thrilled to be called either. But modern socialism doesn't actually have much more than a name link to Marxism. It owes a lot more to Stalinism.
He is however undoubtedly erratic, and not just on defence. Who could forget his positions on collective responsibility and cabinet reshuffles a mere six weeks after he flip-flopped on the subject?
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Yet we are told that Corbyn goes down in Northern England like a cup of cold sick while Faragism sweeps the nation. Colour me a little sceptical!
IMO Crabb is very lucky to be Sec of State. Gets elected down here because he is involved in church and lots of small groups. Likeable enough but no way PM material. Not a good debater and would flounder at the despatch box under pressure.
Never been a big fan of Carwyn, but a step above Crabb. Wish he was more forceful sometimes and lacks the personality that Rhodri had.
It wasn't, shall we say, the most glittering of ministerial careers.
http://crompton.localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/north-west/bolton/crompton
Do muslims breed that fast? Or is it that UKIP are flopping here? It looks like the latter to me!
* Liz Kendall on the TW loveseat. Worth staying up for.
2) Yes being loathed by the likes of Michael Heseltine torpedoed IDS' leadership campaign in 2001 didn't it! Opponents can try as hard as they like to stop Fox but with 100-150 Tory MPs likely to back BREXIT there is nothing much they can do to stop a BREXIT backer getting on the ballot paper
...make of that what you will.
She was going on about how the wise "moderates" like Clinton and herself were too mature for the poor voters to get their little heads round, when compared to the savage "populists" who dare to offer an alternative.
Being unpopular with people who are SoS etc in Cabinet is entirely different.
And that is the last I will say about why Fox will never be Tory leader. You can take him on as your latest favourite if you like. It won't help him any more than it helped Burnham.
Or is it that the people have seen through the kippers...
Brexit's @LiamFoxMP beating chickens in race to be next Tory leader: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6925870/Brexit-Fox-beating-chickens-in-race-to-be-next-Tory-leader.html …
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6925870/Brexit-Fox-beating-chickens-in-race-to-be-next-Tory-leader.html
On hearing the news about himself(fox) has rocketed to the top of the tory activists list for next party leader - from the article.
The right-wing stalwart refused to comment on the development tonight but Westminster allies said the Scotsman was “buoyed” by the news.
Looks like foxy might run for leader - lol
Having said that Farage was good on QT
LAB: 57.2% (+20.9)
CON: 15.9% (-18.1)
UKIP: 13.4% (-4.9)
GRN: 7.6% (+2.6)
LDEM: 5.7% (+5.7)
I care about coming out of the horrible EU, not the long term prospects of Ukip
Good Labour results in today's by-elections, incidentally.
Good night all.
Between February 2009 and 2011 Werritty was in Fox's company on many trips abroad:
Israel, February 2009.
Singapore, 4–6 June 2010.
Dubai, 7–8 June 2010.
Florida, 2–3 July 2010.
Dubai, 6–8 August 2010.
Washington DC September 2010
Bahrain, 2–6 December 2010.
Dubai, 17–22 December 2010.
Hong Kong, 16–23 January 2011.
Israel, 6–7 February.
Switzerland, 17–21 February.
Dubai, April 2011.
Abu Dhabi, 14–18 April 2011.
Florida/Washington, 22–25 May 2011.
Hong Kong, 31 May – 1 June 2011.
Singapore, 2–6 June 2011.
Sri Lanka, July 2011.
Dubai, 17 June 2011.
Washington DC, 30 June – 3 July 2011.
Spain, 5–9 August.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Werritty
And there'll always be the photos......of the scrapped Nimrods (almost certainly the correct decision, but it still 'looks bad')
"David Cameron’s ‘thin gruel’ EU referendum deal has been watered down even further, according to documents leaked last night.
The Prime Minister’s draft agreement with Brussels had already been condemned as ‘feeble’ by Tory backbenchers. But No 10’s hopes of bolstering the deal ahead of next week’s summit were dashed by an updated version which critics say is even worse."
Oh Dear ...... has it just become even worse for Cameron?
TO REFORM OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM UKIP WILL:
• Take back control of our borders
• Put a five-year moratorium on immigration for unskilled workers,
which will enable the unemployed already living here to find work and
those already working to see wage growth
• Introduce an Australian-style points based system to manage the
number and skills of people coming into the country, treating all
citizens of the world on a fair and equal basis as a welcoming,
outward-looking country
If this happens, and the Remain margin of victory is narrow, say under 5%, expect loud calls to rerun the referendum, this time with both sides campaigning honestly.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.122981377
LibDems up around 5.5% in two and 0.5% in the other.
Con roughly the same.
Lab up 10.5% in two, 0.3% in the third.
https://twitter.com/britainelects
Don't worry, Dave ! The Socialists are with you.
I doubt if that was what she meant, of course!
Hopefully, the issue won't arise, if Leave win.
http://www.thenational.scot/politics/hundreds-have-quit-our-snp-branches.
Well, OK, apart from on defence..
He is however undoubtedly erratic, and not just on defence. Who could forget his positions on collective responsibility and cabinet reshuffles a mere six weeks after he flip-flopped on the subject?