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My mother in law HATED Tories, FiL was trade union organiser and we poked fun at each other.DavidL said:
My wife was a Labour voter when we got married and her dad was a Labour councillor. It didn't seem the most important thing about her, I must say. And I was a political geek even then.Plato_Says said:That's just weird, I've no idea how my husband voted. I'm guessing he started Labour and ended Tory.
Why would anyone want to interfere over their children's politics?HYUFD said:The Times says 28% of Labour supporters would be unhappy if their child married a Tory up from 19% In 2008 while nearly 20% of Tories would be unhappy if their child married a Labour supporter up from 10% in 2008
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It's not just a matter of caring about politics though is it? It's - I don't know - an inability to compartmentalise? Or just that people take themselves (not politics itself) too seriously.Sean_F said:
Despite my last comment, there is a minority of people who are passionate about politics. I lost a couple of friends when I joined UKIP (most don't care).Plato_Says said:That's just weird, I've no idea how my husband voted. I'm guessing he started Labour and ended Tory.
Why would anyone want to interfere over their children's politics?HYUFD said:The Times says 28% of Labour supporters would be unhappy if their child married a Tory up from 19% In 2008 while nearly 20% of Tories would be unhappy if their child married a Labour supporter up from 10% in 2008
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If the Democrats had the same voting system as Labour, perhaps, but they don't. Hillary's support with blacks and Sanders' extreme (for the US) positions will be sufficient for her.malcolmg said:
Hilary is very poor , she comes across exactly like the recent Labour donkeys, no policies or principles, just spouting the same platitudes as ever. Looks like she will suffer the same fate as them and be beaten by a no hoper.Pulpstar said:
Donald looks like he should be odds on for sure. Don't know about Bernie, if he can take Nevada or South Carolina, he can dream a dream.malcolmg said:
Bernie v The Donald it looks like.DavidL said:Poor, poor result for Hilary. 8 years ago she beat Obama in this State and Sanders sure isn't any Obama. If she doesn't lift her game soon there is going to be outright panic on the Democratic side.
On the republican side the Corbyn analogy continues to hold good. While all the minor candidates work furiously against each other trying to present themselves as "the" challenger the Donald sails out of sight. To put this into perspective he got as many votes as Cruz, Rubio and Bush put together.
Will it now be Kasich's brief moment in the sun? I seriously doubt it. He is far, far too liberal for the Republican party once the voting moves out of the north east. Just maybe the field will thin now and there will be a better prospect of the anti Donald's coalescing but he must be the very strong favourite.0 -
No, but then Bradshaw is trying to win votes when he calls himself that. Sanders isn't!SandyRentool said:
Ben Bradshaw calls himself a Socialist. I'm not sure that Momentum agree.david_herdson said:
Bernie calls himself a socialist!!HYUFD said:
The polling shows Sanders often leading Trump for now and if anything Bloomberg helps Sanders, Sanders will also have the young and female and minority vote behind him while Trump has white males. The left will call Trump a Fascist as often as the right call Sanders a socialistCasino_Royale said:
I think Trump wins hands down against Sanders. Not least of which because Bloomberg would probably intervene, but also Trump stands a good chance direct.HYUFD said:
Yes but Corbyn is facing Cameron, Sanders would be facing a U.S. version of Farage. In most respects a Sanders presidency would be more of a shock to most of the world and to most Americans than a Trump presidency but it is not impossible if Trump is the GOP nomineedavid_herdson said:
He would be once the GOP started publicising his beliefs, quotes and voting record - things he'd stand behind to defend. He is America's Corbyn.Stereotomy said:
Not according to the head-to-head matchup pollsdavid_herdson said:Sanders is unelectable
Sanders is a socialist. Americans really don't like socialism.0 -
Where politics becomes about identity and fundamental values, and not about stewardship of the economy or leadership, you will increasingly see polling like this.HYUFD said:
In the US it is even worse. Nearly a third of Democrats would be unhappy if their child married a Republican and almost half of Republicans would be unhappy if their child married a DemocratFrancisUrquhart said:
There are a lot of pathetic people out there.HYUFD said:The Times says 28% of Labour supporters would be unhappy if their child married a Tory up from 19% In 2008 while nearly 20% of Tories would be unhappy if their child married a Labour supporter up from 10% in 2008
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Me neither ..... where's PtP when you most need him? Possibly the sharpest knife in the PB.com box these past 8 years, when it comes to American politics.AlastairMeeks said:
There's value somewhere in the non-Trump non-Cruz line-up. Jeb Bush may be it simply by being financially able to outlast the other possibilities. But I think you may well be right about Donald Trump.david_herdson said:
*Way* too short.AlastairMeeks said:Laying Rubio last week was one of those crystal clear bets that only comes around rarely. He still looks too short to me.
Trying to spot the value in the field. Still think it's with Trump. At some point the penny will drop. Possibly Kasich too if he can pull off a good result in SC but that's much harder territory for him than NH. Still, he has the opportunity to claim the Big Mo now.
I don't profess any great knowledge about US politics, mind.0 -
Rubio thinks he's been pretty impressive. I'll spare you the quote.Plato_Says said:Is there anyone left who still thinks he's anything other than an empty suit?
Eight years of teleprompters and ObamaCare.MarqueeMark said:Meanwhile, President Dead-duck slides further under the water:
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I agree but I do have one concern. Last time out we heard a lot (from the Democratic side) about how the US electorate was becoming steadily less white and less Republican. I think I remember it being asserted that, had the electorate had the same demographic profile as in 1992 Romney would have won. So, has the electorate moved further left in the last four years? Not enough to make Sanders electable, surely. But possibly the old certainties are going. Obama was an historically liberal candidate and had no trouble winning.Sean_F said:
IMHO, in a Sanders v Trump contest, outside of New England, Trump would heavily lead among middle and working class white voters, across all age groups.Casino_Royale said:
Do they? I've seen head to head polls with Trump clearly beating Sanders.HYUFD said:
The polling shows Sanders often leading Trump for now and if anything Bloomberg helps Sanders, Sanders will also have the young and female and minority vote behind him while Trump has white males. The left will call Trump a Fascist as often as the right call Sanders a socialistCasino_Royale said:
I think Trump wins hands down against Sanders. Not least of which because Bloomberg would probably intervene, but also Trump stands a good chance direct.HYUFD said:
Yes but Corbyn is facing Cameron, Sanders would be facing a U.S. version of Farage. In most respects a Sanders presidency would be more of a shock to most of the world and to most Americans than a Trump presidency but it is not impossible if Trump is the GOP nomineedavid_herdson said:
He would be once the GOP started publicising his beliefs, quotes and voting record - things he'd stand behind to defend. He is America's Corbyn.Stereotomy said:
Not according to the head-to-head matchup pollsdavid_herdson said:Sanders is unelectable
Sanders is a socialist. Americans really don't like socialism.
Anyway, I don't believe it. Trump is a lot of hair, air and wind but he's not a total nutter. I expect he's mainly fart and no follow through. The Republican establishment certainly think they can work with him.
Sanders OTOH is deadly serious.0 -
williamglenn said:
Rubio thinks he's been pretty impressive. I'll spare you the quote.Plato_Says said:Is there anyone left who still thinks he's anything other than an empty suit?
Eight years of teleprompters and ObamaCare.MarqueeMark said:Meanwhile, President Dead-duck slides further under the water:
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On reflection, there is the option to do this in Free Schools, isn't there? I thought they were allowed to set pay rates as they wished.felix said:Falling unemployment and teachers supply problems go hand in hand - always have and always will. however, differential pay for subjects and regions could ease the problem.
Not sure about Academy schools.0 -
Indeed. It's usually worst among those who are activists but not holding elected office. As a general rule (though not universal), once people have to start working with those from other parties, they develop a degree of respect for those opponents who deserve it, though more so where one side doesn't have a massive majority, therefore allowing ideologues to indulge their prejudices.Wanderer said:
It's not just a matter of caring about politics though is it? It's - I don't know - an inability to compartmentalise? Or just that people take themselves (not politics itself) too seriously.Sean_F said:
Despite my last comment, there is a minority of people who are passionate about politics. I lost a couple of friends when I joined UKIP (most don't care).Plato_Says said:That's just weird, I've no idea how my husband voted. I'm guessing he started Labour and ended Tory.
Why would anyone want to interfere over their children's politics?HYUFD said:The Times says 28% of Labour supporters would be unhappy if their child married a Tory up from 19% In 2008 while nearly 20% of Tories would be unhappy if their child married a Labour supporter up from 10% in 2008
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Hilary is the Ed Miliband of US politics - over promoted because of family ties.malcolmg said:
Hilary is very poor , she comes across exactly like the recent Labour donkeys, no policies or principles, just spouting the same platitudes as ever. Looks like she will suffer the same fate as them and be beaten by a no hoper.Pulpstar said:
Donald looks like he should be odds on for sure. Don't know about Bernie, if he can take Nevada or South Carolina, he can dream a dream.malcolmg said:
Bernie v The Donald it looks like.DavidL said:Poor, poor result for Hilary. 8 years ago she beat Obama in this State and Sanders sure isn't any Obama. If she doesn't lift her game soon there is going to be outright panic on the Democratic side.
On the republican side the Corbyn analogy continues to hold good. While all the minor candidates work furiously against each other trying to present themselves as "the" challenger the Donald sails out of sight. To put this into perspective he got as many votes as Cruz, Rubio and Bush put together.
Will it now be Kasich's brief moment in the sun? I seriously doubt it. He is far, far too liberal for the Republican party once the voting moves out of the north east. Just maybe the field will thin now and there will be a better prospect of the anti Donald's coalescing but he must be the very strong favourite.
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Bernie hasn’t had to campaign in a state with a significant black population yet, has he? Are black voters for the Democrats generally or for Hillary? Real Clear shows Bernie improvingn there.david_herdson said:
If the Democrats had the same voting system as Labour, perhaps, but they don't. Hillary's support with blacks and Sanders' extreme (for the US) positions will be sufficient for her.malcolmg said:
Hilary is very poor , she comes across exactly like the recent Labour donkeys, no policies or principles, just spouting the same platitudes as ever. Looks like she will suffer the same fate as them and be beaten by a no hoper.Pulpstar said:
Donald looks like he should be odds on for sure. Don't know about Bernie, if he can take Nevada or South Carolina, he can dream a dream.malcolmg said:
Bernie v The Donald it looks like.DavidL said:Poor, poor result for Hilary. 8 years ago she beat Obama in this State and Sanders sure isn't any Obama. If she doesn't lift her game soon there is going to be outright panic on the Democratic side.
On the republican side the Corbyn analogy continues to hold good. While all the minor candidates work furiously against each other trying to present themselves as "the" challenger the Donald sails out of sight. To put this into perspective he got as many votes as Cruz, Rubio and Bush put together.
Will it now be Kasich's brief moment in the sun? I seriously doubt it. He is far, far too liberal for the Republican party once the voting moves out of the north east. Just maybe the field will thin now and there will be a better prospect of the anti Donald's coalescing but he must be the very strong favourite.0 -
Is that true? Would Obama have won had he been white (i.e. without the significant increase in black registration and turnout that accompanied his 2008 nomination)?Wanderer said:
I agree but I do have one concern. Last time out we heard a lot (from the Democratic side) about how the US electorate was becoming steadily less white and less Republican. I think I remember it being asserted that, had the electorate had the same demographic profile as in 1992 Romney would have won. So, has the electorate moved further left in the last four years? Not enough to make Sanders electable, surely. But possibly the old certainties are going. Obama was an historically liberal candidate and had no trouble winning.Sean_F said:
IMHO, in a Sanders v Trump contest, outside of New England, Trump would heavily lead among middle and working class white voters, across all age groups.Casino_Royale said:
Do they? I've seen head to head polls with Trump clearly beating Sanders.HYUFD said:
The polling shows Sanders often leading Trump for now and if anything Bloomberg helps Sanders, Sanders will also have the young and female and minority vote behind him while Trump has white males. The left will call Trump a Fascist as often as the right call Sanders a socialistCasino_Royale said:
I think Trump wins hands down against Sanders. Not least of which because Bloomberg would probably intervene, but also Trump stands a good chance direct.HYUFD said:
Yes but Corbyn is facing Cameron, Sanders would be facing a U.S. version of Farage. In most respects a Sanders presidency would be more of a shock to most of the world and to most Americans than a Trump presidency but it is not impossible if Trump is the GOP nomineedavid_herdson said:
He would be once the GOP started publicising his beliefs, quotes and voting record - things he'd stand behind to defend. He is America's Corbyn.Stereotomy said:
Not according to the head-to-head matchup pollsdavid_herdson said:Sanders is unelectable
Sanders is a socialist. Americans really don't like socialism.
Anyway, I don't believe it. Trump is a lot of hair, air and wind but he's not a total nutter. I expect he's mainly fart and no follow through. The Republican establishment certainly think they can work with him.
Sanders OTOH is deadly serious.0 -
It also reflects the rise of populism globallyCasino_Royale said:
Where politics becomes about identity and fundamental values, and not about stewardship of the economy or leadership, you will increasingly see polling like this.HYUFD said:
In the US it is even worse. Nearly a third of Democrats would be unhappy if their child married a Republican and almost half of Republicans would be unhappy if their child married a DemocratFrancisUrquhart said:
There are a lot of pathetic people out there.HYUFD said:The Times says 28% of Labour supporters would be unhappy if their child married a Tory up from 19% In 2008 while nearly 20% of Tories would be unhappy if their child married a Labour supporter up from 10% in 2008
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Thought I saw research indicating Hispanics are trending rightwards. Is this accurate?david_herdson said:
Is that true? Would Obama have won had he been white (i.e. without the significant increase in black registration and turnout that accompanied his 2008 nomination)?Wanderer said:
I agree but I do have one concern. Last time out we heard a lot (from the Democratic side) about how the US electorate was becoming steadily less white and less Republican. I think I remember it being asserted that, had the electorate had the same demographic profile as in 1992 Romney would have won. So, has the electorate moved further left in the last four years? Not enough to make Sanders electable, surely. But possibly the old certainties are going. Obama was an historically liberal candidate and had no trouble winning.Sean_F said:
IMHO, in a Sanders v Trump contest, outside of New England, Trump would heavily lead among middle and working class white voters, across all age groups.Casino_Royale said:
Do they? I've seen head to head polls with Trump clearly beating Sanders.HYUFD said:
The polling shows Sanders often leading Trump for now and if anything Bloomberg helps Sanders, Sanders will also have the young and female and minority vote behind him while Trump has white males. The left will call Trump a Fascist as often as the right call Sanders a socialistCasino_Royale said:
I think Trump wins hands down against Sanders. Not least of which because Bloomberg would probably intervene, but also Trump stands a good chance direct.HYUFD said:
Yes but Corbyn is facing Cameron, Sanders would be facing a U.S. version of Farage. In most respects a Sanders presidency would be more of a shock to most of the world and to most Americans than a Trump presidency but it is not impossible if Trump is the GOP nomineedavid_herdson said:
He would be once the GOP started publicising his beliefs, quotes and voting record - things he'd stand behind to defend. He is America's Corbyn.Stereotomy said:
Not according to the head-to-head matchup pollsdavid_herdson said:Sanders is unelectable
Sanders is a socialist. Americans really don't like socialism.
Anyway, I don't believe it. Trump is a lot of hair, air and wind but he's not a total nutter. I expect he's mainly fart and no follow through. The Republican establishment certainly think they can work with him.
Sanders OTOH is deadly serious.0 -
Sanders leads Trump in the RCP poll average at the moment. The GOP establishment may prefer Trump to Cruz but only justCasino_Royale said:
Do they? I've seen head to head polls with Trump clearly beating Sanders.HYUFD said:
The polling shows Sanders often leading Trump for now and if anything Bloomberg helps Sanders, Sanders will also have the young and female and minority vote behind him while Trump has white males. The left will call Trump a Fascist as often as the right call Sanders a socialistCasino_Royale said:
I think Trump wins hands down against Sanders. Not least of which because Bloomberg would probably intervene, but also Trump stands a good chance direct.HYUFD said:
Yes but Corbyn is facing Cameron, Sanders would be facing a U.S. version of Farage. In most respects a Sanders presidency would be more of a shock to most of the world and to most Americans than a Trump presidency but it is not impossible if Trump is the GOP nomineedavid_herdson said:
He would be once the GOP started publicising his beliefs, quotes and voting record - things he'd stand behind to defend. He is America's Corbyn.Stereotomy said:
Not according to the head-to-head matchup pollsdavid_herdson said:Sanders is unelectable
Sanders is a socialist. Americans really don't like socialism.
Anyway, I don't believe it. Trump is a lot of hair, air and wind but he's not a total nutter. I expect he's mainly fart and no follow through. The Republican establishment certainly think they can work with him.
Sanders OTOH is deadly serious.0 -
Interesting point in the Sanders win is that enthused non-voters can actually turn out in large numbers - may be a warning for UK pollsters not to assume that young people don't bother when it comes to it. I think Sanders should have a decent chance of momentum but both Nevada and SC will test his non-white appeal severely. He's also not IMO a very good speaker - it's the message that's sweeping him on, just like Corbyn.
Trump is a more effective speaker - not by traditional standards of a coherent narrative, but in mastery of soundbites that hit the headlines. Clinton is technically the best of the three, with well-constructed speeches, but too much like 100 other politicians.
And Kasich - such a nice man, and that counts in the US even more than elsewhere. But it's hard to see him winning, as he disagrees with the GOP voters on so much - the first closed primary (SC?) where independents can't come in will really test him.
Profitable night for me, mostly because of £50 on Kasich 2nd with Ladbrokes at 5-4 - thanks to Pulpstar for pointing it out.0 -
though one would assume not trumpwards. although the assumption may be wrongPlato_Says said:Thought I saw research indicating Hispanics are trending rightwards. Is this accurate?
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Is that synonymous with a rise in social media noise and political virtue signalling? Also improved communications gives a massive boost to single issue politics.HYUFD said:
It also reflects the rise of populism globallyCasino_Royale said:
Where politics becomes about identity and fundamental values, and not about stewardship of the economy or leadership, you will increasingly see polling like this.HYUFD said:
In the US it is even worse. Nearly a third of Democrats would be unhappy if their child married a Republican and almost half of Republicans would be unhappy if their child married a DemocratFrancisUrquhart said:
There are a lot of pathetic people out there.HYUFD said:The Times says 28% of Labour supporters would be unhappy if their child married a Tory up from 19% In 2008 while nearly 20% of Tories would be unhappy if their child married a Labour supporter up from 10% in 2008
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Mr. Palmer, your Trump comment reminds me of when Charlie 'Tiger Blood' Sheen was getting quotes everywhere for a couple of weeks.0
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I'm flattered Nick, but I didn't point out that tip :@) or even get on.NickPalmer said:
Profitable night for me, mostly because of £50 on Kasich 2nd with Ladbrokes at 5-4 - thanks to Pulpstar for pointing it out.0 -
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I think I can safely say that I know how @HillaryClinton is feeling this morning.0 -
They'll be trending southwards if Trump wins.Plato_Says said:Thought I saw research indicating Hispanics are trending rightwards. Is this accurate?
david_herdson said:
Is that true? Would Obama have won had he been white (i.e. without the significant increase in black registration and turnout that accompanied his 2008 nomination)?Wanderer said:
I agree but I do have one concern. Last time out we heard a lot (from the Democratic side) about how the US electorate was becoming steadily less white and less Republican. I think I remember it being asserted that, had the electorate had the same demographic profile as in 1992 Romney would have won. So, has the electorate moved further left in the last four years? Not enough to make Sanders electable, surely. But possibly the old certainties are going. Obama was an historically liberal candidate and had no trouble winning.Sean_F said:
IMHO, in a Sanders v Trump contest, outside of New England, Trump would heavily lead among middle and working class white voters, across all age groups.Casino_Royale said:
Do they? I've seen head to head polls with Trump clearly beating Sanders.HYUFD said:
The polling shows Sanders often leading Trump for now and if anything Bloomberg helps Sanders, Sanders will also have the young and female and minority vote behind him while Trump has white males. The left will call Trump a Fascist as often as the right call Sanders a socialistCasino_Royale said:
I think Trump wins hands down against Sanders. Not least of which because Bloomberg would probably intervene, but also Trump stands a good chance direct.HYUFD said:
Yes but Corbyn is facing Cameron, Sanders would be facing a U.S. version of Farage. In most respects a Sanders presidency would be more of a shock to most of the world and to most Americans than a Trump presidency but it is not impossible if Trump is the GOP nomineedavid_herdson said:
He would be once the GOP started publicising his beliefs, quotes and voting record - things he'd stand behind to defend. He is America's Corbyn.Stereotomy said:
Not according to the head-to-head matchup pollsdavid_herdson said:Sanders is unelectable
Sanders is a socialist. Americans really don't like socialism.
Anyway, I don't believe it. Trump is a lot of hair, air and wind but he's not a total nutter. I expect he's mainly fart and no follow through. The Republican establishment certainly think they can work with him.
Sanders OTOH is deadly serious.0 -
I think any Democrat would have won in the circumstances of 2008. My own view is that demographic change tends to be self-correcting, in political terms. An increase in the numbers of group A, who vote one way, tends to push more of group B into voting the other way. And, ethnic groups don't remain loyal to one side for ever. 60 years, non-Anglo whites were strongly Democratic. Now, they aren't.Wanderer said:
I agree but I do have one concern. Last time out we heard a lot (from the Democratic side) about how the US electorate was becoming steadily less white and less Republican. I think I remember it being asserted that, had the electorate had the same demographic profile as in 1992 Romney would have won. So, has the electorate moved further left in the last four years? Not enough to make Sanders electable, surely. But possibly the old certainties are going. Obama was an historically liberal candidate and had no trouble winning.Sean_F said:
IMHO, in a Sanders v Trump contest, outside of New England, Trump would heavily lead among middle and working class white voters, across all age groups.Casino_Royale said:
Do they? I've seen head to head polls with Trump clearly beating Sanders.HYUFD said:
The polling shows Sanders often leading Trump for now and if anything Bloomberg helps Sanders, Sanders will also have the young and female and minority vote behind him while Trump has white males. The left will call Trump a Fascist as often as the right call Sanders a socialistCasino_Royale said:
I think Trump wins hands down against Sanders. Not least of which because Bloomberg would probably intervene, but also Trump stands a good chance direct.HYUFD said:
Yes but Corbyn is facing Cameron, Sanders would be facing a U.S. version of Farage. In most respects a Sanders presidency would be more of a shock to most of the world and to most Americans than a Trump presidency but it is not impossible if Trump is the GOP nomineedavid_herdson said:
He would be once the GOP started publicising his beliefs, quotes and voting record - things he'd stand behind to defend. He is America's Corbyn.Stereotomy said:
Not according to the head-to-head matchup pollsdavid_herdson said:Sanders is unelectable
Sanders is a socialist. Americans really don't like socialism.
Anyway, I don't believe it. Trump is a lot of hair, air and wind but he's not a total nutter. I expect he's mainly fart and no follow through. The Republican establishment certainly think they can work with him.
Sanders OTOH is deadly serious.0 -
They'll turn out for Bernie Nick, I'm afraid Corbyn just isn't as cool as the Vermont Senator. I have Bernie alot better and agree with @MalcolmG on Hilary.NickPalmer said:Interesting point in the Sanders win is that enthused non-voters can actually turn out in large numbers - may be a warning for UK pollsters not to assume that young people don't bother when it comes to it.
What Bernie might have done in New Hampshire (And this is important for betting purposes) is perhaps secured the DEM nomination if anything happens to Hilary.0 -
Yes, much like immigrants in the UK, many of them are pretty conservative so once they move away from the identity politics peddled by the left they break to the right. IMO part of the reason the left are so resistant to integration of immigrants into western society is because the cultures that have integrated no longer vote for leftist parties in such large proportions. Multiculturalism allows the left to continue their identity politics game and push their "immigrants vs natives" agenda to win votes.Plato_Says said:Thought I saw research indicating Hispanics are trending rightwards. Is this accurate?
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I think we may discover that the original source of this tip was the esteemed sage of Putney.Pulpstar said:
I'm flattered Nick, but I didn't point out that tip :@) or even get on.NickPalmer said:
Profitable night for me, mostly because of £50 on Kasich 2nd with Ladbrokes at 5-4 - thanks to Pulpstar for pointing it out.0 -
Yes.TGOHF said:
Hilary is the Ed Miliband of US politics - over promoted because of family ties.malcolmg said:
Hilary is very poor , she comes across exactly like the recent Labour donkeys, no policies or principles, just spouting the same platitudes as ever. Looks like she will suffer the same fate as them and be beaten by a no hoper.Pulpstar said:
Donald looks like he should be odds on for sure. Don't know about Bernie, if he can take Nevada or South Carolina, he can dream a dream.malcolmg said:
Bernie v The Donald it looks like.DavidL said:Poor, poor result for Hilary. 8 years ago she beat Obama in this State and Sanders sure isn't any Obama. If she doesn't lift her game soon there is going to be outright panic on the Democratic side.
On the republican side the Corbyn analogy continues to hold good. While all the minor candidates work furiously against each other trying to present themselves as "the" challenger the Donald sails out of sight. To put this into perspective he got as many votes as Cruz, Rubio and Bush put together.
Will it now be Kasich's brief moment in the sun? I seriously doubt it. He is far, far too liberal for the Republican party once the voting moves out of the north east. Just maybe the field will thin now and there will be a better prospect of the anti Donald's coalescing but he must be the very strong favourite.0 -
I think you'll find it was me Nick!Pulpstar said:
I'm flattered Nick, but I didn't point out that tip :@) or even get on.NickPalmer said:
Profitable night for me, mostly because of £50 on Kasich 2nd with Ladbrokes at 5-4 - thanks to Pulpstar for pointing it out.0 -
Latest GOP nominee odds
Trump 2.48-2.6
Rubio 4.3-4.5
Cruz 5.6-5.8
Bush 6.6-7.4
So Cruz is back to the price I originally backed him at. He's my only bet of any significance in the US Presidential markets.0 -
It's been confirmed.peter_from_putney said:
I think you'll find it was me Nick!Pulpstar said:
I'm flattered Nick, but I didn't point out that tip :@) or even get on.NickPalmer said:
Profitable night for me, mostly because of £50 on Kasich 2nd with Ladbrokes at 5-4 - thanks to Pulpstar for pointing it out.0 -
I do wonder if Trump is a better politician than we realise.HYUFD said:
Sanders leads Trump in the RCP poll average at the moment. The GOP establishment may prefer Trump to Cruz but only justCasino_Royale said:
Do they? I've seen head to head polls with Trump clearly beating Sanders.HYUFD said:
The polling shows Sanders often leading Trump for now and if anything Bloomberg helps Sanders, Sanders will also have the young and female and minority vote behind him while Trump has white males. The left will call Trump a Fascist as often as the right call Sanders a socialistCasino_Royale said:
I think Trump wins hands down against Sanders. Not least of which because Bloomberg would probably intervene, but also Trump stands a good chance direct.HYUFD said:david_herdson said:Stereotomy said:david_herdson said:Sanders is unelectable
Sanders is a socialist. Americans really don't like socialism.
Anyway, I don't believe it. Trump is a lot of hair, air and wind but he's not a total nutter. I expect he's mainly fart and no follow through. The Republican establishment certainly think they can work with him.
Sanders OTOH is deadly serious.
While I don't want to blow his trumpet, he has proved adept at keeping himself and his message above all rivals in the contest so far. His delivery of sound bite is as good as any other candidate (of either party).
He is fresh to the political arena, which allows him much more leeway for flip flopping on policy and ideas. He isn't tied to historical baggage and may well amend his message a bit for the audience listening to him, which in a diovers country such as USA is a useful attribute.
He is not a retread or long term political operator, which is popular in an anti politics environment.
He may trail HRC or Bernie, but he isn't fighting them right now. I would be shocked if he didn't have some effective material for either. Imagine HRC in her emotionless sincerity in a head to head with the Donald. I can see how he would unsettle her in several ways whilst lampooning her political life as narrow and disconnected from reality in a slightly non PC way.
I'm not a Donald fan, but I suspect he is a formidable and resourceful opponent. I'm sure he can fight as dirty as any other politician as well. He comes over as authentic - he isn't going to moderate what he says, Bernie also has authenticity, but I don't get that from HRC.0 -
F1: rumour Pascal Wehrlein will get a seat at Manor.
I think he tested for two teams last year when someone (maybe Rosberg) was a bit under the weather.0 -
Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.0
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Trump's facial expression in the thread's photo reminds me of that captured by Karsh after he'd abruptly removed a cigar from Churchill's mouth;
https://www.google.it/search?q=karsh+churchill&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-it&client=safari#imgrc=OyeNNiNbe4LvyM:
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Thanks!stjohn said:
I think we may discover that the original source of this tip was the esteemed sage of Putney.Pulpstar said:
I'm flattered Nick, but I didn't point out that tip :@) or even get on.NickPalmer said:
Profitable night for me, mostly because of £50 on Kasich 2nd with Ladbrokes at 5-4 - thanks to Pulpstar for pointing it out.0 -
Oops, sorry Peter!peter_from_putney said:
I think you'll find it was me Nick!Pulpstar said:
I'm flattered Nick, but I didn't point out that tip :@) or even get on.NickPalmer said:
Profitable night for me, mostly because of £50 on Kasich 2nd with Ladbrokes at 5-4 - thanks to Pulpstar for pointing it out.0 -
Your welcome! Well done. Very good spot.peter_from_putney said:
Thanks!stjohn said:
I think we may discover that the original source of this tip was the esteemed sage of Putney.Pulpstar said:
I'm flattered Nick, but I didn't point out that tip :@) or even get on.NickPalmer said:
Profitable night for me, mostly because of £50 on Kasich 2nd with Ladbrokes at 5-4 - thanks to Pulpstar for pointing it out.0 -
The other difference is that our electorates are much smaller. Getting more votes in university seats, for example, won't help Lab much as they already hold most of themPulpstar said:
They'll turn out for Bernie Nick, I'm afraid Corbyn just isn't as cool as the Vermont Senator. I have Bernie alot better and agree with @MalcolmG on Hilary.NickPalmer said:Interesting point in the Sanders win is that enthused non-voters can actually turn out in large numbers - may be a warning for UK pollsters not to assume that young people don't bother when it comes to it.
What Bernie might have done in New Hampshire (And this is important for betting purposes) is perhaps secured the DEM nomination if anything happens to Hilary.0 -
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Bernie's grandfatherly, Hillary's mother-in-lawly.Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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If the contest comes down to the Donald vs Hillary it will be very interesting to see whether it brings out the pre-machine politician version of Hillary. Back in the days when she really did inspire a lot of people she was a very different creature.philiph said:He may trail HRC or Bernie, but he isn't fighting them right now. I would be shocked if he didn't have some effective material for either. Imagine HRC in her emotionless sincerity in a head to head with the Donald. I can see how he would unsettle her in several ways whilst lampooning her political life as narrow and disconnected from reality in a slightly non PC way.
I'm not a Donald fan, but I suspect he is a formidable and resourceful opponent. I'm sure he can fight as dirty as any other politician as well. He comes over as authentic - he isn't going to moderate what he says, Bernie also has authenticity, but I don't get that from HRC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_fZfX0fOIA0 -
Have you actually seen Hilary deliver a speech ?Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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HA!MonikerDiCanio said:
Bernie's grandfatherly, Hillary's mother-in-lawly.Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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I'll agree that had human in it unlike the modern HRCwilliamglenn said:
If the contest comes down to the Donald vs Hillary it will be very interesting to see whether it brings out the pre-machine politician version of Hillary. Back in the days when she really did inspire a lot of people she was a very different creature.philiph said:He may trail HRC or Bernie, but he isn't fighting them right now. I would be shocked if he didn't have some effective material for either. Imagine HRC in her emotionless sincerity in a head to head with the Donald. I can see how he would unsettle her in several ways whilst lampooning her political life as narrow and disconnected from reality in a slightly non PC way.
I'm not a Donald fan, but I suspect he is a formidable and resourceful opponent. I'm sure he can fight as dirty as any other politician as well. He comes over as authentic - he isn't going to moderate what he says, Bernie also has authenticity, but I don't get that from HRC.
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Massive amounts of student debt are giving Bernie rocket boosters with the young in the US.
The drug war in Mexico, and huge amounts that come over the border helps Trump and to some degree Cruz on the republican side. They are way more hard line on Mexico than the others.0 -
I find her such a cold fish, I can't judge her. Bernie is so far off my radar that I'm WTF.
The pair of them are so unappealing. The Dems are really short of candidates.Pulpstar said:
Have you actually seen Hilary deliver a speech ?Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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You make it sound like the Trump and Cruz campaigns are being funded by drug money!Pulpstar said:Massive amounts of student debt are giving Bernie rocket boosters with the young in the US.
The drug war in Mexico, and huge amounts that come over the border helps Trump and to some degree Cruz on the republican side. They are way more hard line on Mexico than the others.
So does that mean that Trump has the likes of Texas in the bag?0 -
Sanders looks like the chap from a Werther's Originals commercial, Clinton like the M-in-Law.Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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All A fair chunk of Bernie's stuff - the "Wall St speculation tax" for instance, what even is that ? is for sure populist leftism but Monkier has nailed it:Plato_Says said:I find her such a cold fish, I can't judge her. Bernie is so far off my radar that I'm WTF.
The pair of them are so unappealing. The Dems are really short of candidates.Pulpstar said:
Have you actually seen Hilary deliver a speech ?Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
MonikerDiCanio said:
Bernie's grandfatherly, Hillary's mother-in-lawly.Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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NeverKiss Marry a Tory!
Labour voters (28%) more upset by child marrying a Tory, than Conservatives (19%) in the opposite position, with London Labour (33%) the most upset of all.....
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/36ehbscxjo/YouGov-The Times Results - Marrying different political persuasions - 160122.pdf0 -
Texas will be hard fought but ultimately I think they will plump for their own senator.SandyRentool said:
You make it sound like the Trump and Cruz campaigns are being funded by drug money!Pulpstar said:Massive amounts of student debt are giving Bernie rocket boosters with the young in the US.
The drug war in Mexico, and huge amounts that come over the border helps Trump and to some degree Cruz on the republican side. They are way more hard line on Mexico than the others.
So does that mean that Trump has the likes of Texas in the bag?0 -
I would suggest 'Never kiss a Kipper'CarlottaVance said:NeverKiss Marry a Tory!
Labour voters (28%) more upset by child marrying a Tory, than Conservatives (19%) in the opposite position, with London Labour (33%) the most upset of all.....
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/36ehbscxjo/YouGov-The Times Results - Marrying different political persuasions - 160122.pdf
I'm sure there is a law about molesting dead smoked fish somewhere on the statute book.0 -
AgreedTGOHF said:
Hilary is the Ed Miliband of US politics - over promoted because of family ties.malcolmg said:
Hilary is very poor , she comes across exactly like the recent Labour donkeys, no policies or principles, just spouting the same platitudes as ever. Looks like she will suffer the same fate as them and be beaten by a no hoper.Pulpstar said:
Donald looks like he should be odds on for sure. Don't know about Bernie, if he can take Nevada or South Carolina, he can dream a dream.malcolmg said:
Bernie v The Donald it looks like.DavidL said:Poor, poor result for Hilary. 8 years ago she beat Obama in this State and Sanders sure isn't any Obama. If she doesn't lift her game soon there is going to be outright panic on the Democratic side.
On the republican side the Corbyn analogy continues to hold good. While all the minor candidates work furiously against each other trying to present themselves as "the" challenger the Donald sails out of sight. To put this into perspective he got as many votes as Cruz, Rubio and Bush put together.
Will it now be Kasich's brief moment in the sun? I seriously doubt it. He is far, far too liberal for the Republican party once the voting moves out of the north east. Just maybe the field will thin now and there will be a better prospect of the anti Donald's coalescing but he must be the very strong favourite.0 -
Sanders would fit just fine into our Old Labour tradition. Of course, that's a very weird place for a serious US Presidential candidate to be coming from.Plato_Says said:I find her such a cold fish, I can't judge her. Bernie is so far off my radar that I'm WTF.
The pair of them are so unappealing. The Dems are really short of candidates.Pulpstar said:
Have you actually seen Hilary deliver a speech ?Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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Good morning all.CarlottaVance said:NeverKiss Marry a Tory!
Labour voters (28%) more upset by child marrying a Tory, than Conservatives (19%) in the opposite position, with London Labour (33%) the most upset of all.....
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/36ehbscxjo/YouGov-The Times Results - Marrying different political persuasions - 160122.pdf
I suppose it's another manifestation of the trend for 'safe spaces'. Heaven forfend we have to meet or even interact with people with whom we disagree. I can't decide if it's sad, pathetic or both.0 -
Perfectly put!MonikerDiCanio said:
Bernie's grandfatherly, Hillary's mother-in-lawly.Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
I guess the British equivalent would be 'who would you like a drink with'.....Cameron (for his flaws) had that one over Ed by a country mile.0 -
Give up drinking before eitherCarlottaVance said:
Perfectly put!MonikerDiCanio said:
Bernie's grandfatherly, Hillary's mother-in-lawly.Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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Spot on. A friend of mine is a Conservative Councillor, yesterday he said that Trump doesn't have the intellect to be President, what he means is that he disagrees with him.Wanderer said:
It's not just a matter of caring about politics though is it? It's - I don't know - an inability to compartmentalise? Or just that people take themselves (not politics itself) too seriously.Sean_F said:
Despite my last comment, there is a minority of people who are passionate about politics. I lost a couple of friends when I joined UKIP (most don't care).Plato_Says said:That's just weird, I've no idea how my husband voted. I'm guessing he started Labour and ended Tory.
Why would anyone want to interfere over their children's politics?HYUFD said:The Times says 28% of Labour supporters would be unhappy if their child married a Tory up from 19% In 2008 while nearly 20% of Tories would be unhappy if their child married a Labour supporter up from 10% in 2008
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Yes and no. Talking in generalities Hispanics are seen as socially conservative but really don't like the Republican fiscal policy.Plato_Says said:Thought I saw research indicating Hispanics are trending rightwards. Is this accurate?
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Wouldn't that just be the Tobin tax?Pulpstar said:
All A fair chunk of Bernie's stuff - the "Wall St speculation tax" for instance, what even is that ? is for sure populist leftism but Monkier has nailed it:Plato_Says said:I find her such a cold fish, I can't judge her. Bernie is so far off my radar that I'm WTF.
The pair of them are so unappealing. The Dems are really short of candidates.Pulpstar said:
Have you actually seen Hilary deliver a speech ?Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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I think it is too simplistic to lump all Hispanics into a single group. A bit like lumping all "Asian" voters together in the UK. In America, for instance Cubans until Obama had been overwhelmingly "conservative" in their voting.Plato_Says said:Thought I saw research indicating Hispanics are trending rightwards. Is this accurate?
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I think they both have flaws, relatively speaking.MonikerDiCanio said:
Bernie's grandfatherly, Hillary's mother-in-lawly.Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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England select Liam Dawson for T20 WC, and do not select the elephant in the room.
Who you ask...Well he is lots of T20 experience...he bowled just five overs in last year's T20 Blast competition.0 -
Kind of on topic, I find that I'm now wary of betting against Bush. Sure, fourth is nothing much but surely he's now the most viable candidate after Trump and Cruz and he has huge resources.
This is assuming Christie is dropping out, Rubio is a burst bubble and Kasich won't fly in the South.0 -
Oi!!!!!!!!!!!philiph said:
I would suggest 'Never kiss a Kipper'CarlottaVance said:NeverKiss Marry a Tory!
Labour voters (28%) more upset by child marrying a Tory, than Conservatives (19%) in the opposite position, with London Labour (33%) the most upset of all.....
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/36ehbscxjo/YouGov-The Times Results - Marrying different political persuasions - 160122.pdf
I'm sure there is a law about molesting dead smoked fish somewhere on the statute book.
us fish are mad about such fishisms.0 -
http://order-order.com/2016/02/10/snow-asks-farage-are-you-at-it-too/
Awkward....A bit like expenses scandal, I think we can probably suspect they are all at it.0 -
Mr. Madasafish, pisciphobia is an under-reported problem.0
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Nice try Malkie, here's a little quiz you might like : http://www.workersliberty.org/node/26236malcolmg said:
They are taking a very long time to find anything wrong/ interview the SNP MP's. Looks like as suspected it was just unionist hot air lying and sour grapes.OchEye said:Seems like silver haired politics are now in fashion (OK, so I don't know what colour The Donald's hair actually is. Suspect that his barber doesn't know either
Just for fun, I'm thinking about putting some money on David Davis being the next leader of the Tories. Seems there maybe a GE this year, if the rumour mill can be believed, that there are 5 conservative mp's being investigated with pretty cast iron cases against them. (But then again we do know about cast iron guarantees and the Tory leadership promises) Plus the 2 (or possibly more) SNP mp's in trouble... Could be a more interesting year than thought possible a month or so ago.
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Yes, probably a transaction tax on derivatives.Alistair said:
Wouldn't that just be the Tobin tax?Pulpstar said:
All A fair chunk of Bernie's stuff - the "Wall St speculation tax" for instance, what even is that ? is for sure populist leftism but Monkier has nailed it:Plato_Says said:I find her such a cold fish, I can't judge her. Bernie is so far off my radar that I'm WTF.
The pair of them are so unappealing. The Dems are really short of candidates.Pulpstar said:
Have you actually seen Hilary deliver a speech ?Plato_Says said:Where did Hillary screw up vs Bernie? I can't quite believe he did so well. He's such an old hippy pinko.
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I overslept - and missed the fantastic news that Jim Gilmore has made it into 3 figures!!!0
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Well, laying Rubio and backing Trump after Iowa was easy money.
Current best odds to back on Betfair for RepNom (for more than tuppence ha'penny):
Trump 2.48
Rubio 4.3
Cruz 5.7
Bush 7.0
Those odds look pretty much spot-on to me now. Maybe Rubio is still a bit short.0 -
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It is not true that fish don't know what they're doing to our country, fish know exactly what they are doing to our country.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Madasafish, pisciphobia is an under-reported problem.
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Surely it is time for the Democrats to draft Joe Biden. I have bet on him at 40 to 1 and that was weeks ago. I don't think that Hillary Clinton would beat Bill Cosby on present form. She is so last decade. She may as well have "Yesterday" as her campaign song.0
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In particular, those from Cuba are concerned about the particular issues around that island, whereas those from Mexico and elsewhere probably are not. Aiui, Cuban issues are most prominent in Florida, where Bush and Rubio are from.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think it is too simplistic to lump all Hispanics into a single group. A bit like lumping all "Asian" voters together in the UK. In America, for instance Cubans until Obama had been overwhelmingly "conservative" in their voting.Plato_Says said:Thought I saw research indicating Hispanics are trending rightwards. Is this accurate?
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Mr. Pulpstar, fish is good for the brain, and for a healthy pregnancy. And that's before we start genetically engineering them into an invincible amphibious army.0
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Quite telling that Conservatives are much happier to marry people with opposing views than Labour supporters. Lefties are much less comfortable having their views challenged and see themselves as "right" and righteous, they would much rather ensure their friends (and lovers) are all like minded than have someone challenge them.CarlottaVance said:NeverKiss Marry a Tory!
Labour voters (28%) more upset by child marrying a Tory, than Conservatives (19%) in the opposite position, with London Labour (33%) the most upset of all.....
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/36ehbscxjo/YouGov-The Times Results - Marrying different political persuasions - 160122.pdf0 -
If Sanders were to become Prez, with a GOP-dominated Congress could he actually do anything, good or bad?0
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RT @StephanShaxper: CBS/YouGov poll nailed it in New Hampshire! We had Trump lead of 18% and Sanders lead of 19% https://t.co/kW9Ay3Slwv0
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One of those fact of life such as bears antics in woods. Labour hard liners are more likely to be bigoted people.MaxPB said:
Quite telling that Conservatives are much happier to marry people with opposing views than Labour supporters. Lefties are much less comfortable having their views challenged and see themselves as "right" and righteous, they would much rather ensure their friends (and lovers) are all like minded than have someone challenge them.CarlottaVance said:NeverKiss Marry a Tory!
Labour voters (28%) more upset by child marrying a Tory, than Conservatives (19%) in the opposite position, with London Labour (33%) the most upset of all.....
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/36ehbscxjo/YouGov-The Times Results - Marrying different political persuasions - 160122.pdf
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Biden was poor the last time he ran. Even Hillary beat him. There is no obvious reason to suppose he has improved in the mean time.dyingswan said:Surely it is time for the Democrats to draft Joe Biden. I have bet on him at 40 to 1 and that was weeks ago. I don't think that Hillary Clinton would beat Bill Cosby on present form. She is so last decade. She may as well have "Yesterday" as her campaign song.
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Morning all
An interesting set of results from NH and not that far out of line with some people's expectations so I hope those who traded on these hints got a good profit.
On the Democrat side, the Sanders win was pretty much as expected - whether he can replicate that in SC remains to be seen. Fascinating to see such a strong anti-Clinton undertone among some of the Conservatives on here this morning. Is this because of her apparent closeness to David Miliband or something else ? History tells us the Americans really appreciate the British blundering around in their politics.
The GOP side has, if anything, become more confused by NH. Trump did about as expected though very slightly flattering to deceive but the win was unequivocal and he remains the favourite to get the nomination and rightly so.
Kasich, as some on here wisely opined, came out of the pack to finish a moderate second but whether he can sustain this elsewhere is debatable. Cruz did well enough to stay in and SC will be better for him - he's probably quite happy with third.
Bush probably did well enough to hang on but this wasn't the breakthrough for him while it was a poor night for Rubio - blame the debate performance or blame other things but he now faces a real fight to stay above the pack. I suspect for Christie, Fiorina and Carson that's the end of the line.
So Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Kasich and Bush to SC and then, I believe, NV. The inability of the anti-Trump GOP vote to coalesce around a single candidate strengthens the Donald immeasurably.0 -
Don't you know, since Corbyn election, unless you are a hard left type, we are all Tories now...MaxPB said:
Quite telling that Conservatives are much happier to marry people with opposing views than Labour supporters. Lefties are much less comfortable having their views challenged and see themselves as "right" and righteous, they would much rather ensure their friends (and lovers) are all like minded than have someone challenge them.CarlottaVance said:NeverKiss Marry a Tory!
Labour voters (28%) more upset by child marrying a Tory, than Conservatives (19%) in the opposite position, with London Labour (33%) the most upset of all.....
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/36ehbscxjo/YouGov-The Times Results - Marrying different political persuasions - 160122.pdf0 -
Mr. L, but the quality of his opposition may have declined.0
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Yes. He has executive action and judciary appointments.Richard_Nabavi said:If Sanders were to become Prez, with a GOP-dominated Congress could he actually do anything, good or bad?
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Jeb Bush is @ 11.1 on Predict It and 7.2 on Betfair
Trump and Rubio prices broadly in line
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The problem for Not-Trump Republicans is that they have a surfeit of unity candidates to pick from.0
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Biden flopped in the 2008 primaries against Obama and Hillary.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, but the quality of his opposition may have declined.
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Cromwell said:
RUBIO RISING ...the real message to come out of Iowa is the rise of Marco Rubio ..in the next seven days before NH he is sure to get a blaze of endorsements from big donors like Sheldon Aldenson and big names like Romney and McCain ...it's not over yet but the writing is clearly on the wall for anyone paying attention
Cromwell said:Rubio will now unify the establishment lane and steamroll to victory ; he will win NH and Nevada too .....this has been on the cards for months and would have been clear to anyone able to read between the lines
RUBIO WILL BE THE NEXT US PRESIDENT .....frame this comment for posterity
I am awaiting Cromwell's next post with eager anticipation.Cromwell said:
You are a bloody fool ; I have been predicting for months that Rubio will not only become the nominee , but will CRUSH HillaryHYUFD said:There is no way Rubio is odds on GOP favourite, he polled third and came third. The real winner of the night is Cruz who is now Trump's main rival for the nomination. Unless Rubio beats Trump in New Hampshire or at least beats Cruz for second place he will be running for the bronze medal
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Mr. L, both of whom were more formidable than 2016 Clinton and Sanders.0
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lolAlistair said:Cromwell said:RUBIO RISING ...the real message to come out of Iowa is the rise of Marco Rubio ..in the next seven days before NH he is sure to get a blaze of endorsements from big donors like Sheldon Aldenson and big names like Romney and McCain ...it's not over yet but the writing is clearly on the wall for anyone paying attention
Cromwell said:Rubio will now unify the establishment lane and steamroll to victory ; he will win NH and Nevada too .....this has been on the cards for months and would have been clear to anyone able to read between the lines
RUBIO WILL BE THE NEXT US PRESIDENT .....frame this comment for posterity
I am awaiting Cromwell's next post with eager anticipation.Cromwell said:
You are a bloody fool ; I have been predicting for months that Rubio will not only become the nominee , but will CRUSH HillaryHYUFD said:There is no way Rubio is odds on GOP favourite, he polled third and came third. The real winner of the night is Cruz who is now Trump's main rival for the nomination. Unless Rubio beats Trump in New Hampshire or at least beats Cruz for second place he will be running for the bronze medal
It will not even dawn upon you that Rubio has won the presidency until he's in the White House with his feet upon the desk smoking a victory cigar ...get a clue Sherlock !0 -
Honest assessment of the state of the Leave campaigns.
http://capx.co/if-nigel-farage-leads-leave-it-looks-like-curtains-for-brexit/
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Latest climate scare
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/rising-sea-levels-leave-just-161148572.html
glug glug glug for London. Are they employing the same advisors as Project Fear/Remain?0 -
Quick late night breakdown - how @google searches for #NHPrimary candidates compare to votes tonight. https://t.co/ysIhWvgUBz0
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He has been vice-president for 7 years. One would suppose that anyone would learn something about being president from holding that post, or else it rather defeats the point of having a vice-president.DecrepitJohnL said:
Biden was poor the last time he ran. Even Hillary beat him. There is no obvious reason to suppose he has improved in the mean time.dyingswan said:Surely it is time for the Democrats to draft Joe Biden. I have bet on him at 40 to 1 and that was weeks ago. I don't think that Hillary Clinton would beat Bill Cosby on present form. She is so last decade. She may as well have "Yesterday" as her campaign song.
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I want Leave on my own termsTCPoliticalBetting said:Honest assessment of the state of the Leave campaigns.
http://capx.co/if-nigel-farage-leads-leave-it-looks-like-curtains-for-brexit/
After everything I've ever learned
Me, I carry too much baggage
Oh man I've seen so much traffic
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Either way, it is irrelevant. The question is whether he has become a better campaigner.gettingbetter said:
He has been vice-president for 7 years. One would suppose that anyone would learn something about being president from holding that post, or else it rather defeats the point of having a vice-president.DecrepitJohnL said:
Biden was poor the last time he ran. Even Hillary beat him. There is no obvious reason to suppose he has improved in the mean time.dyingswan said:Surely it is time for the Democrats to draft Joe Biden. I have bet on him at 40 to 1 and that was weeks ago. I don't think that Hillary Clinton would beat Bill Cosby on present form. She is so last decade. She may as well have "Yesterday" as her campaign song.
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@smfrogers · 4h4 hours ago
Quick late night breakdown - how @google searches for #NHPrimary candidates compare to votes tonight.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca1e8foVIAA5IGP.png
Probably a coincidence, but still, the correlation is striking.0
