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Can you link to these tuftons ?AlastairMeeks said:
The Bufton Tuftons are actually foaming in the Telegraph because David Cameron has advocated that MPs make their own minds up on the subject. It seems that in their eyes MPs are allowed to come up with any answer so long as it's Leave.taffys said:''Are there really people upset because David Cameron has advised MPs to do what's in their hearts? Extraordinary.''
At the same time as his sidekick is threatening them with their careers? do me a favour.0 -
Conservative MPs should take a very careful look at what happened to their former Lib Dem chums in 2015, after those Lib Dem MPs got themselves elected on a false prospectus in 2010.
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@SamCoatesTimes: My head just exploded https://t.co/ycG45BlhxJ0
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wut?Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: My head just exploded https://t.co/ycG45BlhxJ
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Not sure what you're implying here? If people don't like the deal, they can vote Leave. If enough do, we leave. That's what the Conservatives promised; that's what will be delivered.runnymede said:Conservative MPs should take a very careful look at what happened to their former Lib Dem chums in 2015, after those Lib Dem MPs got themselves elected on a false prospectus in 2010.
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''The Bufton Tuftons are actually foaming in the Telegraph because David Cameron has advocated that MPs make their own minds up on the subject. It seems that in their eyes MPs are allowed to come up with any answer so long as it's Leave. ''
Perhaps some of the Buftons were in that constituency cheese and wine evening where the MP in question gave them to understand that, when push came to shove, he could be counted on as 'one of them'.0 -
He had some nice theories... I am not sure where that get us.AlastairMeeks said:
I suggest you reread Burke's speech to the electors of Bristol.Indigo said:
Yes, it's not their job. Their job is to represent their electorate.AlastairMeeks said:Are there really people upset because David Cameron has advised MPs to do what's in their hearts? Extraordinary.
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This is hilarious.
Team Corbyn really need to up their game to beat this today
Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: My head just exploded https://t.co/ycG45BlhxJ
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Not to mention at the various selection committees where they chose a particular candidate because they had been assured of their eurosceptic credentials, but who when push comes to shove have both eyes on the greasy pole.taffys said:''The Bufton Tuftons are actually foaming in the Telegraph because David Cameron has advocated that MPs make their own minds up on the subject. It seems that in their eyes MPs are allowed to come up with any answer so long as it's Leave. ''
Perhaps some of the Buftons were in that constituency cheese and wine evening where the MP in question gave them to understand that, when push came to shove, he could be counted on as 'one of them'.0 -
It gets us to the point that MPs are entitled, indeed expected, to do what's in their hearts.Indigo said:
He had some nice theories... I am not sure where that get us.AlastairMeeks said:
I suggest you reread Burke's speech to the electors of Bristol.Indigo said:
Yes, it's not their job. Their job is to represent their electorate.AlastairMeeks said:Are there really people upset because David Cameron has advised MPs to do what's in their hearts? Extraordinary.
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Osborne is working very hard at destroying his own chances.Sean_F said:
Problem is, Osborne is telling the same people "do you want to support Brexit, or do you wants a career?"AlastairMeeks said:Are there really people upset because David Cameron has advised MPs to do what's in their hearts? Extraordinary.
It's like Rosa Klebb talking sweetly to her captives, after her minions have been torturing them.
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The MP has been advised to do what's in his heart. If your concern is that the MP has been playing false with his local party, that's nothing to do with David Cameron.taffys said:''The Bufton Tuftons are actually foaming in the Telegraph because David Cameron has advocated that MPs make their own minds up on the subject. It seems that in their eyes MPs are allowed to come up with any answer so long as it's Leave. ''
Perhaps some of the Buftons were in that constituency cheese and wine evening where the MP in question gave them to understand that, when push came to shove, he could be counted on as 'one of them'.0 -
Richard I must apologise.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not at all. He's indeed willing to stand up and be proud of it. He is not willing to go to jail or worse for something he feels should not be a crime in the first place.Charles said:
And he should be willing to stand up and be proud of what he did.Richard_Tyndall said:
He was absolutely right to publish the information he had. We need more people willing to do so not less.oxfordsimon said:
If he broke the law in order to obtain the material he published, then he is answerable for that. Just because he believes he is some sort of crusader, that does not put him above the law.Roger said:FPT. Re Julian Assange. Cyclefree, TimT and David H
As I understand it the rape allegation refers to an offense that wouldn't be considered an offence in the UK (the non use of a condom). The reason he doesn't want to go to Sweden to contest it is because he believes there's a very real chance he'll be extradited from Sweden to the US where they DO want to charge him with publishing Wikileaks.
Unless my facts are wrong (wouldn't be the first time) this has nothing to do with avoiding facing rape charges but avoiding a lifetime in jail for publishing the truth
I am quite frankly fed up of his posturing. He is no saint. He knows he has broken laws and instead of fighting his case in court, he is hiding out playing the victim.
I think he was wrong to do so, but to skulk in the shadows undermines any values that he claims to represent. Especially as he has allegedly broken the law in Sweden and definitely broken the law in the UK (as a bail jumper)
Of course that is separate from the sex crime allegations for which he should be treated like everyone else.
When we discussed it last year, your position was that Dave would go to the EU, achieve nothing and then lie about it. Mine was that he would go there, achieve whatever he was able, and then let the press dissect it.
We were both right but that's not to say he didn't, and isn't trying to lie about it.
I am super-disappointed and began to type out yesterday something along the lines of "who asked for a renegotiation anyway?" a la @DavidL but ennui probably engulfed me before I was able to press send.
...pauses to listen to Julian Assange on the streets...
I still have questions as to whether we are better off being presented with regulations on this that or the other, and how much influence we would have if we were not at the table (thinking of eg. financial services here).
But I am definitely edging towards Out.0 -
Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.0 -
The WGAD Assange findings are actually worth reading.
Having looked through, I find myself more sympathetic to their findings than I expected to be. Mostly because (1) Sweden is essentially attempting to question Assange rather than, at this stage, charge him - and I can see the argument that the Swedish authorities haven't proceeded with due care or in due time on this matter (particularly if you are prepared to accept Assange's assertion that the questioning could take in the embassy, but even if not, the prosecutors really cocked up the case at the start); (2) were the situation replayed again today, UK courts would not recognise the European arrest warrant (since it was from a prosecutor not a judge, and concerned questioning rather than a formal charge); (3) the prospective custodial sentence in Sweden for rape would, anyway, be pretty limited compared to the time he has spent in confinement in the embassy.
Still, it rankles me that he jumped bail (must have rankled those who stumped up his bail too) and he can hardly lay responsibility for the saga dragging out the way that it did only at the door of the Swedish authorities.
Something I've never understood though: if Sweden was such a dangerous country for him, why was he there in the first place? The fact the US would like to prosecute him is hardly news, he must have been fully aware of the possibility of the US attempting to extradite him from wherever in the world his feet were touching (and, through his legal team, I'm sure he kept himself informed of the odds of their success on any given shade of foreign soil). Nor have I ever understood why he thought Britain so much safer than Sweden - it's not as if we have no precedent for extraditing poor unfortunates over the pond.
As for the man himself, I think that posers, messiah-activists and prats are as much part of society's rich and varied tapestry as are silver-tongued dupes who betray those supporters who believed themselves to be his friends and cost them tens of thousands of pounds in the process. I can tolerate the appearance of such people in life's pattern, but have no intention of being duped by them - or, to any extent I can avoid, interacting with them - and would rather stitch myself into some far-removed portion of the social fabric. More serious and more sinister is his abusive and degrading treatment of women (his online dating profile did the rounds a few years back, I think we can treat that as self-admitted) which I regard as utterly repugnant, even if I grant him the generosity of neglecting the prospect he transgressed serious criminal thresholds in his pursuits.0 -
''Not to mention at the various selection committees where they chose a particular candidate because they had been assured of their eurosceptic credentials, but who when push comes to shove have both eyes on the greasy pole.''
Indeed. That said, when you let the membership think the MPs should represent them and not the tory VOTERS, you start to get into big trouble. As labour will tell you.
They have a leader and policies the members really like. But not labour voters, and certainly not swing voters.0 -
Only if you believe in Mr Burke's theories. Its irrelevant anyway, if the MP had given undertakings to his association, and especially if he was selected on the basis of having certain views, his association is entitled to be furious if he reneges on those undertakings, or the PM suggests that they should.AlastairMeeks said:
It gets us to the point that MPs are entitled, indeed expected, to do what's in their hearts.Indigo said:
He had some nice theories... I am not sure where that get us.AlastairMeeks said:
I suggest you reread Burke's speech to the electors of Bristol.Indigo said:
Yes, it's not their job. Their job is to represent their electorate.AlastairMeeks said:Are there really people upset because David Cameron has advised MPs to do what's in their hearts? Extraordinary.
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And Ken pulls level
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Good old Ken, helpful as ever. John McDonnell will be Labour leader "if Jeremy was to have a stroke."0 -
Undecideds criticism of REMAIN still zero so far0
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There may indeed be a political price to pay for such behaviour, which is an important but separate issue. The fact remains that elected representatives should have the integrity to stick with undertakings given, quaint though that view sounds these days.taffys said:''Not to mention at the various selection committees where they chose a particular candidate because they had been assured of their eurosceptic credentials, but who when push comes to shove have both eyes on the greasy pole.''
Indeed. That said, when you let the membership think the MPs should represent them and not the tory VOTERS, you start to get into big trouble. As labour will tell you.
They have a leader and policies the members really like. But not labour voters, and certainly not swing voters.0 -
The Bufton Tuftons are remarkably quiet, are they not? And Conservative MPs who support Leave are remarkably civil, are they not?0
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Good cop, bad cop. When Cameron says to MPs to do what's in their hearts and Osborne asks if they want a future career or to vote Leave they both mean the same thing.AlastairMeeks said:
It gets us to the point that MPs are entitled, indeed expected, to do what's in their hearts.Indigo said:
He had some nice theories... I am not sure where that get us.AlastairMeeks said:
I suggest you reread Burke's speech to the electors of Bristol.Indigo said:
Yes, it's not their job. Their job is to represent their electorate.AlastairMeeks said:Are there really people upset because David Cameron has advised MPs to do what's in their hearts? Extraordinary.
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Like something out of Life of Brian.Scott_P said:@SamCoatesTimes: My head just exploded https://t.co/ycG45BlhxJ
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Yes, but to be fair there's only one REMAIN campaign to criticise.isam said:Undecideds criticism of REMAIN still zero so far
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On topic, us Blues are making sure we don't peak too soon in this parliament.
Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.0 -
And yet Cameron (and to be fair every other party leader ever) expects them to do what is good for their party, their leader and their careers.AlastairMeeks said:
It gets us to the point that MPs are entitled, indeed expected, to do what's in their hearts.Indigo said:
He had some nice theories... I am not sure where that get us.AlastairMeeks said:
I suggest you reread Burke's speech to the electors of Bristol.Indigo said:
Yes, it's not their job. Their job is to represent their electorate.AlastairMeeks said:Are there really people upset because David Cameron has advised MPs to do what's in their hearts? Extraordinary.
Burke's ideals foundered on the rock of party politics and the power of the whips.0 -
I was undecided til a week ago and I criticise both sides!!0
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Paging Alastair.
Good old Ken, helpful as ever. John McDonnell will be Labour leader "if Jeremy was to have a stroke."0 -
Largely because Leave is monopolising the full-on mental behaviour at the moment. A standard statement of a Burkean view of an MP's duties has got the usual foamers foaming.isam said:Undecideds criticism of REMAIN still zero so far
Remain is hideously dull. Who wants to talk about a failed businessman when there are raving lunatics to poke fun at?0 -
Mr. Simon, you missed off point 8:
We also want the Moon on a stick. And the Moon must not be white.0 -
Good stuff. Hope the lifestyle changes aren't too drastic.TheScreamingEagles said:Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
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That's ridiculous: colonize with a "z".oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.0 -
I'm a bit concerned that clearer eyesight will prevent you peaking too soon.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, us Blues are making sure we don't peak too soon in this parliament.
Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
More seriously, best wishes TSE.0 -
Aaron Banks needs to (figuratively) be taken outside and shot.
Vote Leave are absolutely doing the right thing in refusing to rise to it. I just hope Vote Leave can sort itself out now the Board has changed.
They shouldn't bother to speak to Leave.EU again until and unless Banks goes. Just respectively do their own thing.0 -
Good old Ken.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Alastair.
Good old Ken, helpful as ever. John McDonnell will be Labour leader "if Jeremy was to have a stroke."
Perhaps he could say a nice word about my next tip for next Labour leader too.0 -
Where is Osborne threatening people?? Link???0
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Excellent fantastic to hear.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, us Blues are making sure we don't peak too soon in this parliament.
Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
Lifestyle changes: AV thread to be shelved forever? That's harsh.0 -
Less stressing, less staring at screens.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good stuff. Hope the lifestyle changes aren't too drastic.TheScreamingEagles said:Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
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Great news TSE. Wish you well for your op and for a speedy recovery.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, us Blues are making sure we don't peak too soon in this parliament.
Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.0 -
Sorry to hear of your bad news TSE – hope all goes well with the operation & the best of luck.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, us Blues are making sure we don't peak too soon in this parliament.
Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.0 -
That'll be going up on Sunday. Skybet let me have as much as you.AlastairMeeks said:
Good old Ken.TheScreamingEagles said:Paging Alastair.
Good old Ken, helpful as ever. John McDonnell will be Labour leader "if Jeremy was to have a stroke."
Perhaps he could say a nice word about my next tip for next Labour leader too.0 -
Wish you well for your op and for a speedy recovery.
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Mr. Eagles, that's good news. Obviously I hope you aren't absent from the site too much. Perhaps the optimal compromise is for your lady wife to read you the posts, and type your own dictated responses?
Mr. Royale, quite. Banks has more money than sense.0 -
Less AV, less trolling, more Leave.TheScreamingEagles said:
Less stressing, less staring at screens.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good stuff. Hope the lifestyle changes aren't too drastic.TheScreamingEagles said:Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
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When I don't have an opinion either way I normally cant be bothered to waste my time criticizing either sideAlastairMeeks said:
Largely because Leave is monopolising the full-on mental behaviour at the moment. A standard statement of a Burkean view of an MP's duties has got the usual foamers foaming.isam said:Undecideds criticism of REMAIN still zero so far
Remain is hideously dull. Who wants to talk about a failed businessman when there are raving lunatics to poke fun at?0 -
'When we discussed it last year, your position was that Dave would go to the EU, achieve nothing and then lie about it'
Yes I'm afraid Richard T has indeed been proved entirely correct.
What made it clear to me that Cameron was going to welch was the issue of the opt out on justice and home affairs powers.
There was a cast-iron opportunity for the government to reverse European integration, but the government instead opted back into many of the most important measures including the wretched Arrest Warrant.
Far from reclaiming powers from Brussels, the government agreed to a significant and permanent transfer of them. Note this showed up the 'referendum lock' as worthless as well.0 -
Mr. Runnymede, I'd forgotten about the referendum lock.0
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Chuka Umunna in June 2015:
"Screaming “you’re wrong” at the electorate is not a good strategy for a party seeking to win back its trust."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/29/labour-tory-lite-economic-credibility-leadership
Chuka Umunna in February 2016:
"Why you’re wrong to think immigration is the main issue in the EU referendum"
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-you-re-wrong-to-think-immigration-is-the-main-issue-in-the-eu-referendum-a6853821.html0 -
I'm confused about the deal Cameron signs. Is it legally binding or not?? If not why is Schultz saying it can be amended by European Parliament??0
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All the best. Hope it goes well.TheScreamingEagles said:
Less stressing, less staring at screens.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good stuff. Hope the lifestyle changes aren't too drastic.TheScreamingEagles said:Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
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I think your reaction to the former is colouring your perception of the latter.AlastairMeeks said:
Largely because Leave is monopolising the full-on mental behaviour at the moment. A standard statement of a Burkean view of an MP's duties has got the usual foamers foaming.isam said:Undecideds criticism of REMAIN still zero so far
Put simply: you're just not that naive.0 -
It's not just Banks is it?? Clearly VoteLeave and LabourLeave have fallen out too.Casino_Royale said:Aaron Banks needs to (figuratively) be taken outside and shot.
Vote Leave are absolutely doing the right thing in refusing to rise to it. I just hope Vote Leave can sort itself out now the Board has changed.
They shouldn't bother to speak to Leave.EU again until and unless Banks goes. Just respectively do their own thing.0 -
No apology necessary. As you say we were both kind of right. If anything I am disappointed that Cameron has proved me right but has been so inept about it. As I said I had hoped Leave would win but Cameron stay on. I don't think that is possible now.TOPPING said:
Richard I must apologise.
When we discussed it last year, your position was that Dave would go to the EU, achieve nothing and then lie about it. Mine was that he would go there, achieve whatever he was able, and then let the press dissect it.
We were both right but that's not to say he didn't, and isn't trying to lie about it.
I am super-disappointed and began to type out yesterday something along the lines of "who asked for a renegotiation anyway?" a la @DavidL but ennui probably engulfed me before I was able to press send.
...pauses to listen to Julian Assange on the streets...
I still have questions as to whether we are better off being presented with regulations on this that or the other, and how much influence we would have if we were not at the table (thinking of eg. financial services here).
But I am definitely edging towards Out.0 -
On MPs.
MPs are not there to act for their heart, or their party, or their 'own' voters. They are there to act for their constituents .0 -
And as @DavidL says it was probably unnecessary. Actually the reason I didn't post that yesterday is, now that I think about it, that he would have taken even less of his party with him if he hadn't promised to renegotiate.runnymede said:'When we discussed it last year, your position was that Dave would go to the EU, achieve nothing and then lie about it'
Yes I'm afraid Richard T has indeed been proved entirely correct.
What made it clear to me that Cameron was going to welch was the issue of the opt out on justice and home affairs powers.
There was a cast-iron opportunity for the government to reverse European integration, but the government instead opted back into many of the most important measures including the wretched Arrest Warrant.
Far from reclaiming powers from Brussels, the government agreed to a significant and permanent transfer of them. Note this showed up the 'referendum lock' as worthless as well.
So he really was between a rock and a hard place: don't negotiate because the public aren't clamouring for it and it won't make much difference to them, but face hell in his own party; or do negotiate and fail miserably. And then dissemble (to be polite about it).0 -
There is that. But I think Vote Leave are starting to realise they need to get a grip and making changes.NorfolkTilIDie said:
It's not just Banks is it?? Clearly VoteLeave and LabourLeave have fallen out too.Casino_Royale said:Aaron Banks needs to (figuratively) be taken outside and shot.
Vote Leave are absolutely doing the right thing in refusing to rise to it. I just hope Vote Leave can sort itself out now the Board has changed.
They shouldn't bother to speak to Leave.EU again until and unless Banks goes. Just respectively do their own thing.
It might be too late for Labour Leave though. Someone needs to apologise and charm the hell out of Kate Hooey.
It's amazing the number of people who work in politics who totally lack people skills.0 -
Sighs
Foreign criminals can’t be deported, European court rules http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4683265.ece
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'We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.'
Try the Jean-Bedel Bokassa University...
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Yeh, another Cameron win-win.Plato_Says said:Sighs
Foreign criminals can’t be deported, European court rules http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4683265.ece
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".......Off!" insert the word of your choice.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.0 -
Looks to me like both sides are trying their damndest to lose the referendum.0
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Someone on another forum saidtaffys said:''The Bufton Tuftons are actually foaming in the Telegraph because David Cameron has advocated that MPs make their own minds up on the subject. It seems that in their eyes MPs are allowed to come up with any answer so long as it's Leave. ''
Perhaps some of the Buftons were in that constituency cheese and wine evening where the MP in question gave them to understand that, when push came to shove, he could be counted on as 'one of them'.
which sums up the situation well I thinkOther Forum said:
Most of the big Tory names with ambitions of eventual party leadership are facing the same problem they've been facing for a long time now, the dilemma of making sure that the stay side wins while placing themselves on the leave side for the sake of appearances to their base.0 -
So a total life rethink then! All the best for it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Less stressing, less staring at screens.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good stuff. Hope the lifestyle changes aren't too drastic.TheScreamingEagles said:Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
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You're a clever chap, you can do better than play obtuse. We know you love the EU, but we've already had Roger trolling the board with his pretendy backward England.AlastairMeeks said:Are there really people upset because David Cameron has advised MPs to do what's in their hearts? Extraordinary.
The argument is that Cameron told MPs to ignore their constituency associations. That, unsurprisingly, has incensed some of them.0 -
Another corker... they just keep coming todayPlato_Says said:Sighs
Foreign criminals can’t be deported, European court rules http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4683265.ece
David Cameron's child benefit plan 'won't apply to EU nationals already in the UK'But legal and policy experts, as well as a senior British Government source, have admitted it would be "very difficult" to force those who are already here to take a dramatic cut in the benefits they receive even after the EU renegotiation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12141305/David-Camerons-child-benefit-plan-wont-apply-to-EU-nationals-already-in-the-UK.html
So it's okay for the government to dramatically change the level of benefit or tax for various people currently in the country, but apparently not those people who are sending money out the country. This is a crazy f*cked up world10 -
It does beg the question, why go to study at Oxford University, if you hate the place so much? There are plenty of students who'd be only too happy to go there to study in your place.RodCrosby said:'We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.'
Try the Jean-Bedel Bokassa University...0 -
Whats that? Grassroots Out?Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: In an utterly shocking development Ukip have thrown their weight behind their largest donor's latest front group.
http://www.ukip.org/ukip_supports_grassroots_out0 -
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.
I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed0 -
RodCrosby said:
'We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.'
Try the Jean-Bedel Bokassa University...
Eagles - you may be aware (was posted a couple of years ago) I have severe myopia that has essentially stretched my retina leading to blindspots - Myopic Macular Degeneration. The severe short sight caused by years of too much screen time. The eye finds it hard to keep adjusting from far to near and this drives myopia. In my own case a revelation was to get my contact lenses perfect for distance but additionally to wear +1.0 or +1.5 reading specs when on screen. My prescription hasn't changed for 4 years now and blind spots seem reasonably stable. Wearing the reading specs on top of lenses made all the difference and my eyes are a lot less tired than they were. Not sure exactly what your eye issue is but I'd recommend the 'lenses plus specs' approach to anyone with short sight.TheScreamingEagles said:
Less stressing, less staring at screens.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good stuff. Hope the lifestyle changes aren't too drastic.TheScreamingEagles said:Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
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Get well soon.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, us Blues are making sure we don't peak too soon in this parliament.
Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.0 -
"I want" doesn't get.Casino_Royale said:
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.
I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed0 -
In my day we never said "want". It was always "demand" and usually "demand, as of right".Casino_Royale said:
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.
I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed
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Nitwittery like this make me want to bring back National Service for a select group.Casino_Royale said:
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.
I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed0 -
The world is beset with ungrateful little turds with chips on their shoulder. #ignoreCasino_Royale said:
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”: [snip]
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I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed0 -
Stockholm syndrome: he can't resist coming home to his imperial masters for another beating but hates himself for it.Sean_F said:
It does beg the question, why go to study at Oxford University, if you hate the place so much? There are plenty of students who'd be only too happy to go there to study in your place.RodCrosby said:'We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.'
Try the Jean-Bedel Bokassa University...0 -
And they will fail in this as they did with the statue nonsense.Casino_Royale said:
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.
I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed0 -
The entitlement is quite astounding.Sean_F said:
It does beg the question, why go to study at Oxford University, if you hate the place so much? There are plenty of students who'd be only too happy to go there to study in your place.RodCrosby said:'We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.'
Try the Jean-Bedel Bokassa University...
They are fighting a battle they will not win.0 -
What is wrong with TSE's health? Just to cheer him up I had double cataracts removed and new lenses put in both eyes a over a year ago now and I can now see miles.welshowl said:
Get well soon.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, us Blues are making sure we don't peak too soon in this parliament.
Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.0 -
A couple of days ago Paddy Power were offering 5/2 against LEAVE, now they go 15/8 following YouGov's poll showing the Brexit supporters comfortably ahead - that's a 25% reduction in their odds. As I suggested at the time, this looked like a trading opportunity, at least. Expect the LEAVE odds to narrow further should there be other polls painting a similar picture.0
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and NOW!Innocent_Abroad said:
In my day we never said "want". It was always "demand" and usually "demand, as of right".Casino_Royale said:
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First, we want a reckoning. We want Oxford to acknowledge and confront its role in the ongoing physical and ideological violence of empire. This requires an apology and increased scholarships for black students from Southern Africa.
Second, we want a commitment to recontextualizing iconography celebrating figures of grave injustice. Murderous colonists and slaveholders belong in books and museums, not on the sides of buildings. This requires the removal and rehousing of statues and portraits, and the renaming of buildings.
Third, we want a decolonized curriculum. We want to hear the voices suffocated into silence by a Eurocentric academy. We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.
I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed0 -
Last night on This Week there was a black bloke who went to Oxford on the demand that Rhodes must fall etc, and he repeated the lie from Cameron (swallowed hook line and sinker on here) that young black men are more likely to be in prison than at University among other thingsSean_F said:
"I want" doesn't get.Casino_Royale said:
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First,
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.
I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed
When Andrew Neil pointed out that the % of BAME at University mirrored or bettered the % of BAME in the population, he started saying "its not something that can be measured by statistics..."
Yes it is0 -
I've been through this before and you are wrong.Roger said:FPT. Re Julian Assange. Cyclefree, TimT and David H
As I understand it the rape allegation refers to an offense that wouldn't be considered an offence in the UK (the non use of a condom). The reason he doesn't want to go to Sweden to contest it is because he believes there's a very real chance he'll be extradited from Sweden to the US where they DO want to charge him with publishing Wikileaks.
Unless my facts are wrong (wouldn't be the first time) this has nothing to do with avoiding facing rape charges but avoiding a lifetime in jail for publishing the truth
1. Under the European Arrest Warrant, the fact that it may not be an offence in the UK is irrelevant.
2. He has not been charged by the Swedes. But they do want to question him. He is avoiding answering questions.
3. There is no extradition request by the US to either the UK or Sweden with regard to Assange.
4. Under the UK/US extradition treaty it would be easier for the US to extradite him from the UK than from Sweden.
5. The extradition issue is in any case irrelevant. It is simply being used by Assange and his supporters as a way of diverting attention from the fact that he has, for no good reason, refused to answer the Swedish prosecutor's questions and skipped bail.
Assange likes to play the martyr and the victim. But for someone who claims to be bringing the high and mighty down to earth and making them subject to the law, he is remarkably keen on the laws of the countries in which he operates not applying to him.
He is a hypocrite, an egomaniac and a fantasist, IMO.
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A man walks into an opticians.MikeK said:
What is wrong with TSE's health. Just to cheer him up I had double cataracts removed and new lenses put in both eyes a over a year ago now and I can now see miles.welshowl said:
Get well soon.TheScreamingEagles said:On topic, us Blues are making sure we don't peak too soon in this parliament.
Off topic, I'm having eye surgery next Wednesday, that with some lifestyle changes, and new meds, should be enough to fix the problem.
"I can't see very far," he complains.
The optician takes him to the window and points upwards. "What's that out there?"
"The sun?"
"Well how far do you want to see?"0 -
It gives an insight into how ordinary people must have felt when confronted with the demands of young nobility in previous centuries.oxfordsimon said:
The entitlement is quite astounding.Sean_F said:
It does beg the question, why go to study at Oxford University, if you hate the place so much? There are plenty of students who'd be only too happy to go there to study in your place.RodCrosby said:'We want to study different systems of knowledge and explore the work of people who deviate from the white Western canon that we are forcefed.'
Try the Jean-Bedel Bokassa University...
They are fighting a battle they will not win.0 -
I bl00dy love Andrew Neil.isam said:
Last night on This Week there was a black bloke who went to Oxford on the demand that Rhodes must fall etc, and he repeated the lie from Cameron (swallowed hook line and sinker on here) that young black men are more likely to be in prison than at University among other thingsSean_F said:
"I want" doesn't get.Casino_Royale said:
Wow. The entitlement. The narcissism. The arrogance. The sheer bloody nerve.oxfordsimon said:Completely O/T, I know - but I thought that I would share the latest nonsense from the Rhodes Must Fall (Oxford Branch).
Having failed in their campaign to have a statue that no-one ever notice removed, they have now issued a new set of demands. I leave it for others to comment...
Rhodes Must Fall in Oxford’s “manifesto”:
First,
Fourth, we want representation for people of colour at all levels of the university. This requires, amongst other things, blind marked applications and implicit bias training for all academic staff.
Fifth, we want an immediate end to the outright racism people of colour face on campus. We want effective recourse for students, academics and non-academic staff to deal with racist discrimination and harassment. This requires race workshops for all incoming student cohorts. This requires an effective system for students and staff to report incidents of racism, which acknowledges the intersectional way that oppression based on racism interacts with oppression based on class, gender disability, and other grounds.
Sixth, we want the University to take responsibility for the culture it perpetuates. We want the work of anti-racist students and staff to be recognised and institutionalised. This requires payment for our labour. This requires a specific sabbatical position for Race at the Oxford University Students Union and paid Tutor for Race positions at both college and university level.
Seventh, we want the University and all related bodies to cease smear campaigns, and private intimidation, of our movement and our members.
I want.. I want.. I want..
(1) We want to never pay tuition fees
(2) We want you to wipe the history of Oxford clean
(3) We want to write our own degree courses
(4) We want positive discrimination (hint hint)
(5) We want identity politics writ large in everything
(6) We want more money and special treatment
(7) We are right, and we don't want to be criticised or opposed
When Andrew Neil pointed out that the % of BAME at University mirrored or bettered the % of BAME in the population, he started saying "its not something that can be measured by statistics..."
Yes it is
But unlike you, Sam, to use the lefty-liberal jargon "BAME"...0 -
Mr. Isam, he was arguing numeracy is an evil imperialist plot? 0
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When going through my tax return I could subscribe to that.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Isam, he was arguing numeracy is an evil imperialist plot?
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So just to summarise where we are at the moment;
We will stop child benefits being sent out the country has become we will pay a bit less child benefit to children outside the country, unless their parent is already in the UK in which case we cant.
We will set up a Constitutional Court that will have supremacy of the EU court, except those powers will be in theory only, and known to be such, because doing otherwise would be a violation of treaty commitments.
We will be able to deport foreign criminals that come to the UK from the EU, except we wont be able to really because its against the treaties.
We will have a Red Card on new EU laws, except to be able to make it happen we have to ask 16 other countries, some of whom must have voted for the original measure in the first place, and all must agree within 8 weeks by substantive motion of their legislature to reject the new measure.
We will have a four year block on benefits to migrants, or actually only if we pull our "emergency brake" or rather ask Brussels if we can pull our emergency brake and they agree, and then it doesn't stop benefits but allows them to ramp up to full over four years.
Have I missed anything ?0 -
I do get the need for acknowledgment of colonial abuses, but does anyone really believe South Africans would be more educated if colonialism hadn't of happenned??0
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Learning maths is probably Eurocentric, or something.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Isam, he was arguing numeracy is an evil imperialist plot?
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Yes. It can all be changed by the European Parliament after the referendum.Indigo said:So just to summarise where we are at the moment;
We will stop child benefits being sent out the country has become we will pay a bit less child benefit to children outside the country, unless their parent is already in the UK in which case we cant.
We will set up a Constitutional Court that will have supremacy of the EU court, except those powers will be in theory only, and known to be such, because doing otherwise would be a violation of treaty commitments.
We will be able to deport foreign criminals that come to the UK from the EU, except we wont be able to really because its against the treaties.
We will have a Red Card on new EU laws, except to be able to make it happen we have to ask 16 other countries, some of whom must have voted for the original measure in the first place.
We will have a four year block on benefits to migrants, or actually only if we pull our "emergency brake" or rather ask Brussels if we can pull our emergency brake and they agree, and then it doesn't stop benefits but allows them to ramp up to full over four years.
Have I missed anything ?0 -
He'd do far more good by demanding that Mugabe fall.
He's far worse than Rhodes.0 -
Or struck down by the ECJ, quite.NorfolkTilIDie said:
Yes. It can all be changed by the European Parliament after the referendum.Indigo said:So just to summarise where we are at the moment;
We will stop child benefits being sent out the country has become we will pay a bit less child benefit to children outside the country, unless their parent is already in the UK in which case we cant.
We will set up a Constitutional Court that will have supremacy of the EU court, except those powers will be in theory only, and known to be such, because doing otherwise would be a violation of treaty commitments.
We will be able to deport foreign criminals that come to the UK from the EU, except we wont be able to really because its against the treaties.
We will have a Red Card on new EU laws, except to be able to make it happen we have to ask 16 other countries, some of whom must have voted for the original measure in the first place.
We will have a four year block on benefits to migrants, or actually only if we pull our "emergency brake" or rather ask Brussels if we can pull our emergency brake and they agree, and then it doesn't stop benefits but allows them to ramp up to full over four years.
Have I missed anything ?0 -
Let's get real. If you are being questioned about serious allegations you do not get to make demands of the authorities greater than the protections which the law gives you. The law is equal for all. What Assange wants is some special treatment for him because he believes he is special. The fact that he is behaving like a 4 year old with a permanent tantrum should not surprise us. The fact that a lot of seemingly intelligent people have fallen for this transparent guff should.SimonStClare said:
Indeed - Assange offered to go to Sweden if the authorities agreed not to transfer him to the United States, however, Swedish officials claimed that no such pledge could be made under the country’s legal system.edmundintokyo said:
Sweden did not guarantee not to extradite him to the US.Charles said:
Sweden, I believe, guaranteed not to extradite him to the US.Roger said:FPT. Re Julian Assange. Cyclefree, TimT and David H
As I understand it the rape allegation refers to an offense that wouldn't be considered an offence in the UK (the non use of a condom). The reason he doesn't want to go to Sweden to contest it is because he believes there's a very real chance he'll be extradited from Sweden to the US where they DO want to charge him with publishing Wikileaks.
Unless my facts are wrong (wouldn't be the first time) this has nothing to do with avoiding facing rape charges but avoiding a lifetime in jail for publishing the truth
But frankly that doesn't matter.
The alleged victim of the crime deserves her day in court. Regardless of the potential risks for Assange.
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Actually I agree on one of his points: "blind marked applications"
Because you can get racial discrimination when this doesn't take place:
See here: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2011-12-03/asian-students-college-applications/51620236/10 -
So stand up in court.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not at all. He's indeed willing to stand up and be proud of it. He is not willing to go to jail or worse for something he feels should not be a crime in the first place.Charles said:
And he should be willing to stand up and be proud of what he did.Richard_Tyndall said:
He was absolutely right to publish the information he had. We need more people willing to do so not less.oxfordsimon said:
If he broke the law in order to obtain the material he published, then he is answerable for that. Just because he believes he is some sort of crusader, that does not put him above the law.Roger said:FPT. Re Julian Assange. Cyclefree, TimT and David H
As I understand it the rape allegation refers to an offense that wouldn't be considered an offence in the UK (the non use of a condom). The reason he doesn't want to go to Sweden to contest it is because he believes there's a very real chance he'll be extradited from Sweden to the US where they DO want to charge him with publishing Wikileaks.
Unless my facts are wrong (wouldn't be the first time) this has nothing to do with avoiding facing rape charges but avoiding a lifetime in jail for publishing the truth
I am quite frankly fed up of his posturing. He is no saint. He knows he has broken laws and instead of fighting his case in court, he is hiding out playing the victim.
I think he was wrong to do so, but to skulk in the shadows undermines any values that he claims to represent. Especially as he has allegedly broken the law in Sweden and definitely broken the law in the UK (as a bail jumper)
Of course that is separate from the sex crime allegations for which he should be treated like everyone else.
He's just avoiding the discussion. If you want to be a martyr, be a f**king martyr.0 -
Totally offtopic in case anyone hasn't seen this corker of a story yet..
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Also, there ain't such a thing as 'ideological violence'. All violence is physical. Thats what violence is.0
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Mathematics was invented by Arabians/Persians. To say otherwise is racist and I demand The Queen denounces your racism.Sean_F said:
Learning maths is probably Eurocentric, or something.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Isam, he was arguing numeracy is an evil imperialist plot?
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