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The former Gordon Brown aide, Damian McBride has added his thoughts about Labour’s leadership situation in an article in the Times. An extract appears above.

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  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 1m1 minute ago

    On how well Jeremy Corbyn is doing as Labour Party leader:
    Well: 26% (-2)
    Badly: 60% (-)
    NET: -34
    (via YouGov / 05 - 06 Jan)
    Chgs. from Dec.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    Corbyn's holding his own.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    I'll believe it when I see it. They are noisy, but much else it seems.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Yes but 200 MPs vs 250,000 Jezlamists in the party, I can see but one outcome.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,545
    TGOHF said:

    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 1m1 minute ago

    On how well Jeremy Corbyn is doing as Labour Party leader:
    Well: 26% (-2)
    Badly: 60% (-)
    NET: -34
    (via YouGov / 05 - 06 Jan)
    Chgs. from Dec.

    Corbynism sweeping the nation...At this rate, not sure Corbynism will be even sweeping his own house by 2020.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,707
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yes but 200 MPs vs 250,000 Jezlamists in the party, I can see but one outcome.

    A change to the leadership election rules? :p
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Dave and Jez see their net ratings down by 2 in latest YouGov poll.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/eh6evpntgm/YG-Archive-160106- Cabinet.pdf
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    This is wonderful

    Rob Hutton
    Hey, Buzzfeed! I think I've found a prehistoric guide to memes! https://t.co/JBpTAYxyEB

    @RobDotHutton I think I might use "are Geordie's on holiday there?" as the relevance test for everything I write now.

    @RobDotHutton @jimwaterson "murders, sieges, crazed gunmen or pond deaths"
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @NCPoliticsUK: YouGov/LBC (London WM, chg vs GE):

    CON 37 (+2)
    LAB 44 (=)
    LIB 4 (-4)
    UKIP 11 (+3)
    GRN 2 (-3)

    4th-6th Jan
    N=1,156
    https://t.co/YTFY2Uo3Yu
  • glwglw Posts: 10,512
    Good old Ken, the Tories couldn't invent a better person to front for Labour.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @AlexWhiteUK: Do you think the leader's office flips a coin to see whether Ken Livingstone or Diane Abbott are doing media? I think they need a new coin.

    @janemerrick23: Heads they win, tails we lose https://t.co/AccPsth8G3
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: YouGov/LBC (London WM, chg vs GE):

    CON 37 (+2)
    LAB 44 (=)
    LIB 4 (-4)
    UKIP 11 (+3)
    GRN 2 (-3)

    4th-6th Jan
    N=1,156
    https://t.co/YTFY2Uo3Yu

    UKIP+Con at 48 points. The key will be to get UKIP voters out to polling booths to vote for Zac.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Having briefed that this would be the 'revenge reshuffle' to see the end of Hilary Benn as Shadow Foreign Secretary, team Corbyn climbed down in the face of threats of mass resignation. Who knew that revenge was a dish best dropped on the floor and then slowly scraped back on to the plate with your hands over the course of four humiliating days? The last 24 hours have seen Labour's MPs going live on air to resign and accuse Corbyn's right hand man John McDonnell of lying through his teeth. A reshuffle that ought to have been the night of the long knives became the week of the plastic forks.

    http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2016-01/07/jeremy-corbyn-labour-resignations
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yes but 200 MPs vs 250,000 Jezlamists in the party, I can see but one outcome.

    What is there to lose though? Say a rebellion by MPs forces a new leadership election. At least there's a chance that Jezza would lose or something would turn up. Worse case he is returned to power. I doubt he will manage the 60% he got last time. Whats the alternative? Sit and wait?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    YouGov still oversampling young people and under sampling old people. Even in London there are more old people than that as a proportion of the population.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Apt here too

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/685053321292439552
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: YouGov/LBC (London WM, chg vs GE):

    CON 37 (+2)
    LAB 44 (=)
    LIB 4 (-4)
    UKIP 11 (+3)
    GRN 2 (-3)

    4th-6th Jan
    N=1,156
    https://t.co/YTFY2Uo3Yu

    UKIP+Con at 48 points. The key will be to get UKIP voters out to polling booths to vote for Zac.
    the "transfer vote" bar chart in "results" is informative

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_mayoral_election,_2012

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,545
    edited January 2016
    A former Kids Company psychologist has today admitted being high on rave drug MDMA whilst working with vulnerable young people at the charity.

    In perhaps she most shocking admission, she spoke of how she allowed youngsters she knew through the charity to stay in her flat.

    http://order-order.com/2016/01/07/the-agony-and-the-ecstasy-kids-company-psychologist-gave-therapy-whilst-pilled-up/

    Were there any actual professionals working at Kid Company? Trips to Ibiza, stay overs at adults houses who have good supplies of drugs. No wonder Kids Company was popular.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: YouGov/LBC (London WM, chg vs GE):

    CON 37 (+2)
    LAB 44 (=)
    LIB 4 (-4)
    UKIP 11 (+3)
    GRN 2 (-3)

    4th-6th Jan
    N=1,156
    https://t.co/YTFY2Uo3Yu

    UKIP+Con at 48 points. The key will be to get UKIP voters out to polling booths to vote for Zac.
    So one in two London LibDems has gone walkabout since May, huh? Seems extreme considering how low they had already gone over the life of the Coalition.

    File under: "things that make you go Hmmmmmmm....."
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: YouGov/LBC (London WM, chg vs GE):

    CON 37 (+2)
    LAB 44 (=)
    LIB 4 (-4)
    UKIP 11 (+3)
    GRN 2 (-3)

    4th-6th Jan
    N=1,156
    https://t.co/YTFY2Uo3Yu

    UKIP on the march in London.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Markfergusonuk: Can people stop interviewing Ken Livingstone? Some of us are trying to do dry January here…
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Tom Blenkinsop
    ...so Ken Livingstone should shut up and be sacked immediately. https://t.co/wvmSO3m0zw

    Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''UKIP+Con at 48 points. The key will be to get UKIP voters out to polling booths to vote for Zac. ''

    If that's the case, banging on about affirmative action will be key.

    Wanna compete fairly for a London job? No you Khant.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    Scott_P said:

    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    But Ken says it is.... As the people around Ken on this review have been weeded out to unilateralists by the reshuffle, who is going to stop him?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MSmithsonPB: Corbyn's YouGov leader ratings from LAB voters, with just 45% saying he's doing well, are now below anything EdM experienced.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @politicshome: Labour defence review will look at Nato membership, says Ken Livingstone https://t.co/umi51hvdWL https://t.co/bA7n2xSIXw
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yes but 200 MPs vs 250,000 Jezlamists in the party, I can see but one outcome.

    The only way for a coup to happen is to ensure that Jezza resigns. It's hard to see how that works. One possible scenario is the Juan Carlos route. Franco groomed him as his anointed successor and one that would carry on what he had started in Spain. Juan Carlos made all the right noises and then as soon as he got control he introduced democracy. Maybe something similar could happen with Labour - with Jezza standing down and nominating - either explicitly or implicitly - a successor. It's far-fetched, but you never know. One major problem is that there is no obvious hard left successor to Jezza right now. Presumably, they are desperately looking for one, but the fact that it is Abbott and Red Ken who do all the media work suggest they are struggling.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,545
    edited January 2016
    Plato_Says said:

    Tom Blenkinsop
    ...so Ken Livingstone should shut up and be sacked immediately. https://t.co/wvmSO3m0zw

    Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    I must be psychic...From the early hours of this morning.
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    FIRST...A new day and I presume yet another JJ inspired Labour disaster.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,750
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    But Ken says it is.... As the people around Ken on this review have been weeded out to unilateralists by the reshuffle, who is going to stop him?
    Indeed, I find it more likely that the press officer who said this is going to be sacked than Ken be told NATO isn't on the agenda.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    But Ken says it is.... As the people around Ken on this review have been weeded out to unilateralists by the reshuffle, who is going to stop him?
    Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb and all that.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Dave and Jez see their net ratings down by 2 in latest YouGov poll.

    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/eh6evpntgm/YG-Archive-160106- Cabinet.pdf

    Not a lot of support for the Corbynista 'Cabinet members should agree with the Leader':

    Thinking about the senior ministers who party leaders appoint to their cabinets or shadow cabinets, do you think they should... (Con/Lab/LibD/UKIP)

    Try to have people with lots of different views
    from different parts of their political party: 62/59/66/60

    Try to have people who agree with the party
    leader's views on the important issues of the day: 17/17/16/17

    Interestingly the lowest gap (but it is still huge) is in London: 55/22
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Will the shadow foreign secretary make a statement on Labour's position with regard to member ship of NATO? How about the shadow defence secretary?
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    As I said on the previous thread, I would be fascinated to hear McBride on the Brownite machine reawakening (as he puts it in his article), the role of Watson, significance of Dugher's sacking.

    Also, he argues in his piece that the PLP must accept a left platform but insist that Corbyn can't be the leader to front it. I can see how that coule keep Labour viable (not necessarily electable). Obviously the key question is who would be the leader.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,545
    edited January 2016
    MaxPB said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    But Ken says it is.... As the people around Ken on this review have been weeded out to unilateralists by the reshuffle, who is going to stop him?
    Indeed, I find it more likely that the press officer who said this is going to be sacked than Ken be told NATO isn't on the agenda.
    Ken ain't going to be sacked while JJ is in charge. I mean he smeared a guy over his mental health, then tried to lie his way out of it on live telly with the guy sitting right there.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Someone here found a Corbynista Quote advocating us joining the Warsaw Pact the other day...

    History not their strength, me thinks
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @carlgardner: It’s my birthday today, and my present to myself was to leave the Labour party. I’ve had enough of this nonsense.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited January 2016
    :smile:

    Is there a y in the day?
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Tom Blenkinsop
    ...so Ken Livingstone should shut up and be sacked immediately. https://t.co/wvmSO3m0zw

    Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    I must be psychic...From the early hours of this morning.
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    FIRST...A new day and I presume yet another JJ inspired Labour disaster.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: "We've been in power for 3 months now." Revealing slip by @johnmcdonnellMP on BBC R4 Wato
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Corbyn's YouGov leader ratings from LAB voters, with just 45% saying he's doing well, are now below anything EdM experienced.

    One has to wonder what Corbyn could possibly do to persuade those 45% that he's not doing a good job, although to be fair he's working on that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    Scott_P said:

    @AlexWhiteUK: Do you think the leader's office flips a coin to see whether Ken Livingstone or Diane Abbott are doing media? I think they need a new coin.

    @janemerrick23: Heads they win, tails we lose https://t.co/AccPsth8G3

    Oh please don't stop them. Abbott was atrocious on Newsnight last night. It's shame Paxo isn't around - he'd have skewered her vacuous waffle.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    What a revolting picture
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Wanderer said:

    As I said on the previous thread, I would be fascinated to hear McBride on the Brownite machine reawakening (as he puts it in his article), the role of Watson, significance of Dugher's sacking.

    Also, he argues in his piece that the PLP must accept a left platform but insist that Corbyn can't be the leader to front it. I can see how that coule keep Labour viable (not necessarily electable). Obviously the key question is who would be the leader.

    Miliband was not lefty enough for him then?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: "We've been in power for 3 months now." Revealing slip by @johnmcdonnellMP on BBC R4 Wato

    Wow it was assumed that was the mindset but to have it confirmed like that. How much do Labour need to put up with before someone says "no you idiot Cameron is in power".
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Her talent for talking reaaaaaallllyyyy slowly is such a gift. I never feel patronised.
    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    @AlexWhiteUK: Do you think the leader's office flips a coin to see whether Ken Livingstone or Diane Abbott are doing media? I think they need a new coin.

    @janemerrick23: Heads they win, tails we lose https://t.co/AccPsth8G3

    Oh please don't stop them. Abbott was atrocious on Newsnight last night. It's shame Paxo isn't around - he'd have skewered her vacuous waffle.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,545
    Plato_Says said:

    Her talent for talking reaaaaaallllyyyy slowly is such a gift. I never feel patronised.

    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    @AlexWhiteUK: Do you think the leader's office flips a coin to see whether Ken Livingstone or Diane Abbott are doing media? I think they need a new coin.

    @janemerrick23: Heads they win, tails we lose https://t.co/AccPsth8G3

    Oh please don't stop them. Abbott was atrocious on Newsnight last night. It's shame Paxo isn't around - he'd have skewered her vacuous waffle.
    Now Evvvvvvannnnnnn, Evvvvvannnnnnnnnnnnnn, Evannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....was pretty much the most coherent part of that interview.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JoeMurphyLondon: POLL shows Corbyn massively out of step with voters on Stop The War... 68% say cut links , finds @BMGResearch https://t.co/XpYC6COYNn
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: YouGov/LBC (London WM, chg vs GE):

    CON 37 (+2)
    LAB 44 (=)
    LIB 4 (-4)
    UKIP 11 (+3)
    GRN 2 (-3)

    4th-6th Jan
    N=1,156
    https://t.co/YTFY2Uo3Yu

    UKIP on the march in London.
    Fortunately we have a good number of local council by elections in London in recent months to measure the accuracy of Yougov's poll

    LDem 21% plus 6% on previous vote ( 2014 )
    UKIP 3% minus 5% on previous vote ( 2014 )
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GuidoFawkes: @JohnRentoul Remember this? So glad the Labour Party followed my advice in the end. #SaveJez https://t.co/WcT03gRMwc
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JoeMurphyLondon: Just 14% agree with Corbyn/Stop the War on Paris, but 47% agree with @PatMcFaddenMP, reveals BMGResearch poll https://t.co/XpYC6COYNn
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    MaxPB said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    But Ken says it is.... As the people around Ken on this review have been weeded out to unilateralists by the reshuffle, who is going to stop him?
    Indeed, I find it more likely that the press officer who said this is going to be sacked than Ken be told NATO isn't on the agenda.
    We do not need to waste time looking into what the detail of the policy is. The fact that Livingstone has been let anywhere near defence policy tells us all we need to know. Does anyone seriously believe that a Corbyn led - or anything remotely like a Corbynite leaning labour - government would be an active meaningful or reliable member of NATO. Its pretty clear what the thrust of Corbyn McDonnell Livingstone foreign policy and its allies would be.
    I do not see Benn fitting in.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Corbyn's pacifism is such a vote winner

    Jeremy Corbyn is massively out of step with the public on the issues that caused three resignations from his front bench, an exclusive poll reveals today.

    By two to one, Britons think he should sever his links with the Left-wing Stop the War pressure group, found pollsters BMG Research.

    Just 14 per cent think terrorist attacks like the Paris shootings can be blamed on Western military action in the Middle East, which Stop the War has claimed.


    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-fears-as-68-of-voters-want-corbyn-to-cut-links-with-antiwar-group-a3150811.html
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    I've got a question for McBride, how can the blairite and brownite machines get 50+1% of the members behind them in order to oust Corbyn.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: "We've been in power for 3 months now." Revealing slip by @johnmcdonnellMP on BBC R4 Wato

    Wow it was assumed that was the mindset but to have it confirmed like that. How much do Labour need to put up with before someone says "no you idiot Cameron is in power".
    Cameron is not in power in the Labour Party and that is the only kind of power the Corbynistas are interested in.

    They have won and continue to solidify their position.

    Actually I wouldn't mind if only they could come up with someone else to do the TV and radio.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Mr Corbyn’s bedrock comes from the hard-Left activism that read London Labour Briefing in the Eighties and listened to Ken Livingstone and John McDonnell in draughty halls. The survivors are now returning to Labour, along with the N1 chattering classes, disaffected graduates, and NGO-employed baby-boomers who fled to the Greens in the Blair years. It was no coincidence that the political obituaries to Michael Dugher and Pat McFadden, sacked this week, all stressed their horny-handed roots in Yorkshire and Glasgow. The pair belong to a tribe that sees itself as closer to ordinary people’s kitchen table worries.
    Scott_P said:

    @JoeMurphyLondon: Just 14% agree with Corbyn/Stop the War on Paris, but 47% agree with @PatMcFaddenMP, reveals BMGResearch poll https://t.co/XpYC6COYNn

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GOsborneGenius: @JohnRentoul @MSmithsonPB
    Over 60's view of Corbyn, 19% doing well, 74% doing badly.
    That's an electoral suicide vest.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    That awkward moment when Trump doesn't know Paris isn't in Germany.

    @realDonaldTrump: Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!

  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,066
    Just read Diane Abbott's comments on Newsnight. Anyone who remembers the ugly Labour Party of the late 70's and early 80's will will be getting an uncomfortable feeling of deja vu
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,545
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That awkward moment when Trump doesn't know Paris isn't in Germany.

    @realDonaldTrump: Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!

    The GET SMART bit at the end just makes it worse.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Things are so bad for Labour, I'm almost tempted to follow tim on twitter...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,545
    Scott_P said:

    @GOsborneGenius: @JohnRentoul @MSmithsonPB
    Over 60's view of Corbyn, 19% doing well, 74% doing badly.
    That's an electoral suicide vest.

    Corbynism sweeping the old people's homes...
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Corbyn -55 with >60's
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Maomentum_: Relieved to hear that 'Ken Livingstone' is actually a parody account!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,318
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Her talent for talking reaaaaaallllyyyy slowly is such a gift. I never feel patronised.

    rottenborough said:

    Scott_P said:

    @AlexWhiteUK: Do you think the leader's office flips a coin to see whether Ken Livingstone or Diane Abbott are doing media? I think they n a new coin.

    @janemerrick23: Heads they win, tails we lose https://t.co/AccPsth8G3

    Oh please don't stop them. Abbott was atrocious on Newsnight last night. It's shame Paxo isn't around - he'd have skewered her vacuous waffle.
    Now Evvvvvvannnnnnn, Evvvvvannnnnnnnnnnnnn, Evannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn....was pretty much the most coherent part of that interview.
    Dead Ringers have her down v well.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    flightpath01 said:

    Wanderer said:

    As I said on the previous thread, I would be fascinated to hear McBride on the Brownite machine reawakening (as he puts it in his article), the role of Watson, significance of Dugher's sacking.

    Also, he argues in his piece that the PLP must accept a left platform but insist that Corbyn can't be the leader to front it. I can see how that coule keep Labour viable (not necessarily electable). Obviously the key question is who would be the leader.

    Miliband was not lefty enough for him then?
    I think he's not talking about the platform he would prefer or even one that would be most likely to win an election. As I understood it, he was saying:

    The membership want a leftward lurch. The PLP cannot obstruct that.

    But... the leader has to be someone at least competent, ie not Corbyn. (So who?)

    I think what he envisages is the nomination of such a candidate by almost the whole PLP. It wouldn't be an attempt to drag the party back rightwards, just do the left thing competently.

    I think it's very interesting.

    He's also talking about the same autumn timetable as Henry G Manson yesterday.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That awkward moment when Trump doesn't know Paris isn't in Germany.

    @realDonaldTrump: Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!

    At no point does that tweet say that. They are too unrelated statements with the latter presumably referring to Cologne et al.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Scott_P said:

    @GOsborneGenius: @JohnRentoul @MSmithsonPB
    Over 60's view of Corbyn, 19% doing well, 74% doing badly.
    That's an electoral suicide vest.

    Surprised he's doing as well 19% in that age group.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    I never thought it would happen but I'm starting to feel sorry for the 'normal' labour party members. I wonder what they're thinking now and if they have any idea how to get out of this mess.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    Does anyone have specific date ranges on:
    !) When the Majority of £3'ers will come around for renewal
    2) When we're likely to get membership numbers from Labour, perhaps indicating moderate supporters dropping like flies.
    Much appreciated.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Wanderer said:

    Scott_P said:

    @GOsborneGenius: @JohnRentoul @MSmithsonPB
    Over 60's view of Corbyn, 19% doing well, 74% doing badly.
    That's an electoral suicide vest.

    Surprised he's doing as well 19% in that age group.
    He was on 11% the other day on the forced PM choice.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    rottenborough said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yes but 200 MPs vs 250,000 Jezlamists in the party, I can see but one outcome.

    What is there to lose though? Say a rebellion by MPs forces a new leadership election. At least there's a chance that Jezza would lose or something would turn up. Worse case he is returned to power. I doubt he will manage the 60% he got last time. Whats the alternative? Sit and wait?
    He'd certainly win easily, and MPs forcing a new election before the May elections is the one thing that would trigger a serious push for their deselection, because they'd be seen to be undermining not just the leadership but thousand of local candidates at the same time.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    SouthamObserver said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yes but 200 MPs vs 250,000 Jezlamists in the party, I can see but one outcome.

    The only way for a coup to happen is to ensure that Jezza resigns. It's hard to see how that works. One possible scenario is the Juan Carlos route. Franco groomed him as his anointed successor and one that would carry on what he had started in Spain. Juan Carlos made all the right noises and then as soon as he got control he introduced democracy. Maybe something similar could happen with Labour - with Jezza standing down and nominating - either explicitly or implicitly - a successor. It's far-fetched, but you never know. One major problem is that there is no obvious hard left successor to Jezza right now. Presumably, they are desperately looking for one, but the fact that it is Abbott and Red Ken who do all the media work suggest they are struggling.
    They don't need one. Corbyn wasn't elected because of who he was but because of what he stands for. If Corbyn were to go, the Left could nominate just about any old MP - in some ways, the more obscure the better - as long as he says the right things to the right people.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,894
    Mr. Eagles, once again demonstrating that the British have a superior command of the language. In American, Trump is a potential president. Trump, in Britain, is a bout of noisy flatulence.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Corbyn's YouGov leader ratings from LAB voters, with just 45% saying he's doing well, are now below anything EdM experienced.

    One has to wonder what Corbyn could possibly do to persuade those 45% that he's not doing a good job, although to be fair he's working on that.
    I think he'd need to compromise on one of the shibboleth issues.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited January 2016
    A straw poll of the young profs in our office today reveals surprising support for Zac. 'I think he has a wife who is close to our age and so he's really good on the issues that concern us, particularly housing'. 'He's good on the environment and I agree with him on Heathrow'.

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12087093/Why-I-ran-down-Whitehall-in-my-pants.html
    Everyone remembers where they were when they saw that fateful exit poll on election evening. I’ll tell you where I was. Mentally sprinting in the buff down one of London’s busiest thoroughfares. Think of the horror Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg were feeling at that moment, then multiply it a couple of hundred times.

    I had considered quietly backing out. Over time people would just forget everything I’d said before the election. Like they did with Vince Cable.

    But I hadn’t figured on two people. One was Ukip MEP Patrick O’Flynn. He began stalking me. “When’s the naked streak Dan? Once a week, every week. The same tweet. It was like be tailed by the mysterious Indian tracker in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. “O’Flynn. They say he can track a man over stone.”

    The second was my wife.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited January 2016
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Corbyn's YouGov leader ratings from LAB voters, with just 45% saying he's doing well, are now below anything EdM experienced.

    One has to wonder what Corbyn could possibly do to persuade those 45% that he's not doing a good job, although to be fair he's working on that.
    I've been persuaded that he botched his reshuffle, by allowing most of his enemies to stay on board and continue their dirty work against the Labour party.
    I would have given him the thumps up for ousting Benn and the other 10 in one stroke, however he did not, so at presently I think he's not very good at it.

    Been too kind to Labour's enemies has turned me off a bit from Corbyn, so I'm not surprised to see his numbers drop, you can compromise on policy but not with the people of the anti-Labour factions.
    Corbyn's turning out not to be a good butcher at a time when most of his supporters (aka the majority of Labour) are angry with the conduct of his enemies and demand a good purge of them.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    But Ken says it is.... As the people around Ken on this review have been weeded out to unilateralists by the reshuffle, who is going to stop him?
    Indeed, I find it more likely that the press officer who said this is going to be sacked than Ken be told NATO isn't on the agenda.
    We do not need to waste time looking into what the detail of the policy is. The fact that Livingstone has been let anywhere near defence policy tells us all we need to know. Does anyone seriously believe that a Corbyn led - or anything remotely like a Corbynite leaning labour - government would be an active meaningful or reliable member of NATO. Its pretty clear what the thrust of Corbyn McDonnell Livingstone foreign policy and its allies would be.
    I do not see Benn fitting in.
    Then again, how reliable is the US as a member of NATO - or how reliable might it be this time next year?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: John McDonnell on Sky refuses to retract 'right wing clique' reshuff attack, but says 'I'm hoping we can get them on board, working with us'
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,612
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That awkward moment when Trump doesn't know Paris isn't in Germany.

    @realDonaldTrump: Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!

    The GET SMART bit at the end just makes it worse.
    That awkward moment when neither TSE or FrancisUrguhart can properly read a tweet.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulwaugh: John McDonnell adds the reshuffle was done 'in a way that unites the Labour party'

    ...unites the party in horror at just how incompetent they turned out to be
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: John McDonnell on Sky refuses to retract 'right wing clique' reshuff attack, but says 'I'm hoping we can get them on board, working with us'

    They will never get on board, they want you all dead at any cost, even it means blowing up the whole party.

    You can't reason with unreasonable people full of hatred, you have to get rid of them before they do more damage, the longer it takes them to understand this the messier it will get.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    Speedy said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Corbyn's YouGov leader ratings from LAB voters, with just 45% saying he's doing well, are now below anything EdM experienced.

    One has to wonder what Corbyn could possibly do to persuade those 45% that he's not doing a good job, although to be fair he's working on that.
    I've been persuaded that he botched his reshuffle, by allowing most of his enemies to stay on board and continue their dirty work against the Labour party.
    I would have given him the thumps up for ousting Benn and the other 10 in one stroke, however he did not, so at presently I think he's not very good at it.

    Been too kind to Labour's enemies has turned me off a bit from Corbyn, so I'm not surprised to see his numbers drop, you can compromise on policy but not with the people of the anti-Labour factions.
    Corbyn's turning out not to be a good butcher at a time when most of his supporters (aka the majority of Labour) are angry with the conduct of his enemies and demand a good purge of them.
    Are you saying that the likes of Benn, Eagle etc are Labour's 'enemies'? I guess you are.

    By some measure you are the wisest fool ever to be seen in pb-dom.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    MarqueeMark said:

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_P said:

    @NCPoliticsUK: YouGov/LBC (London WM, chg vs GE):

    CON 37 (+2)
    LAB 44 (=)
    LIB 4 (-4)
    UKIP 11 (+3)
    GRN 2 (-3)

    4th-6th Jan
    N=1,156
    https://t.co/YTFY2Uo3Yu

    UKIP+Con at 48 points. The key will be to get UKIP voters out to polling booths to vote for Zac.
    So one in two London LibDems has gone walkabout since May, huh? Seems extreme considering how low they had already gone over the life of the Coalition.

    File under: "things that make you go Hmmmmmmm....."
    Makes sense - these were the LD'ers in e.g. Twickenham, Sutton, Kingston who were intending to hang on to their MP. Now they've lost them they might as well vote Labour again.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Wanderer said:

    Scott_P said:

    @GOsborneGenius: @JohnRentoul @MSmithsonPB
    Over 60's view of Corbyn, 19% doing well, 74% doing badly.
    That's an electoral suicide vest.

    Surprised he's doing as well 19% in that age group.
    Well the "doing well" question is the middling one in the various questions of this type, it's still open to interpretation as tories might say he is doing well (...at massacring the Reds as a political force). If the question was on how favourable they are to him it would likely be even worse.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Osborne has a speech later, is he going to basically admit he's in trouble?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    JohnO said:

    Speedy said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Corbyn's YouGov leader ratings from LAB voters, with just 45% saying he's doing well, are now below anything EdM experienced.

    One has to wonder what Corbyn could possibly do to persuade those 45% that he's not doing a good job, although to be fair he's working on that.
    I've been persuaded that he botched his reshuffle, by allowing most of his enemies to stay on board and continue their dirty work against the Labour party.
    I would have given him the thumps up for ousting Benn and the other 10 in one stroke, however he did not, so at presently I think he's not very good at it.

    Been too kind to Labour's enemies has turned me off a bit from Corbyn, so I'm not surprised to see his numbers drop, you can compromise on policy but not with the people of the anti-Labour factions.
    Corbyn's turning out not to be a good butcher at a time when most of his supporters (aka the majority of Labour) are angry with the conduct of his enemies and demand a good purge of them.
    Are you saying that the likes of Benn, Eagle etc are Labour's 'enemies'? I guess you are.

    By some measure you are the wisest fool ever to be seen in pb-dom.
    Don't doubt Speedy's wisdom. Last April he was confidently assuring us all there would be no Tory gains from Labour at the general election.
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    taffys said:

    Osborne has a speech later, is he going to basically admit he's in trouble?

    lol QTWTAIN
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SophyRidgeSky: John McDonnell on Sky re @jreynoldsMP @SDoughtyMP @KevanJonesMP "I don't think they had the longterm interests of the Labour Party at heart"
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,612
    edited January 2016
    david_herdson said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    But Ken says it is.... As the people around Ken on this review have been weeded out to unilateralists by the reshuffle, who is going to stop him?
    Indeed, I find it more likely that the press officer who said this is going to be sacked than Ken be told NATO isn't on the agenda.
    We do not need to waste time looking into what the detail of the policy is. The fact that Livingstone has been let anywhere near defence policy tells us all we need to know. Does anyone seriously believe that a Corbyn led - or anything remotely like a Corbynite leaning labour - government would be an active meaningful or reliable member of NATO. Its pretty clear what the thrust of Corbyn McDonnell Livingstone foreign policy and its allies would be.
    I do not see Benn fitting in.
    Then again, how reliable is the US as a member of NATO - or how reliable might it be this time next year?
    Forget the US, what about Turkey? Shilling oil for ISIS, shooting down planes that violate their airspace for 7 seconds, using the 'anti-ISIS' coalition to bomb the f**k out of Kurds, and many more I have no time to list, are surely a greater worry. Though you can't accuse them of not being 'active'.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,361
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    david_herdson said:

    flightpath01 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Scott_P said:

    @edwardchivers: Labour press office says membership of Nato is not part of defence review being carried out by @ken4london

    But Ken says it is.... As the people around Ken on this review have been weeded out to unilateralists by the reshuffle, who is going to stop him?
    Indeed, I find it more likely that the press officer who said this is going to be sacked than Ken be told NATO isn't on the agenda.
    We do not need to waste time looking into what the detail of the policy is. The fact that Livingstone has been let anywhere near defence policy tells us all we need to know. Does anyone seriously believe that a Corbyn led - or anything remotely like a Corbynite leaning labour - government would be an active meaningful or reliable member of NATO. Its pretty clear what the thrust of Corbyn McDonnell Livingstone foreign policy and its allies would be.
    I do not see Benn fitting in.
    Then again, how reliable is the US as a member of NATO - or how reliable might it be this time next year?
    Forget the US, what about Turkey? Shilling oil for ISIS, shooting down planes that violate their airspace for 7 seconds, using the 'anti-ISIS' coalition to bomb the f**k out of Kurds, and many more I have no time to list, are surely a greater worry. Though you can't accuse them of not being 'active'.
    No, because NATO can survive without Turkey. It cannot survive with an isolationist US.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    lol QTWTAIN

    Any speech talking about the global economy being in trouble is de facto code that things are going awry.
  • TwistedFireStopperTwistedFireStopper Posts: 2,538
    edited January 2016
    Plato_Says said:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12087093/Why-I-ran-down-Whitehall-in-my-pants.html

    Everyone remembers where they were when they saw that fateful exit poll on election evening. I’ll tell you where I was. Mentally sprinting in the buff down one of London’s busiest thoroughfares. Think of the horror Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg were feeling at that moment, then multiply it a couple of hundred times.

    I had considered quietly backing out. Over time people would just forget everything I’d said before the election. Like they did with Vince Cable.

    But I hadn’t figured on two people. One was Ukip MEP Patrick O’Flynn. He began stalking me. “When’s the naked streak Dan? Once a week, every week. The same tweet. It was like be tailed by the mysterious Indian tracker in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. “O’Flynn. They say he can track a man over stone.”

    The second was my wife.
    He's getting a lot of grief for that article, claiming he's welched on his original pledge, but it's a light hearted, well written piece, and a couple of charities are a couple of grand richer, so fair play to him.
    That reminds me, talking of that exit poll, did Ashdon ever eat his hat?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,545
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That awkward moment when Trump doesn't know Paris isn't in Germany.

    @realDonaldTrump: Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!

    The GET SMART bit at the end just makes it worse.
    That awkward moment when neither TSE or FrancisUrguhart can properly read a tweet.
    Multi-tasking isn't my strong point...Second time in 24hrs not reading tweets carefully. Self ban from twitter nonsense for me.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That awkward moment when Trump doesn't know Paris isn't in Germany.

    @realDonaldTrump: Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!

    The GET SMART bit at the end just makes it worse.
    That awkward moment when neither TSE or FrancisUrguhart can properly read a tweet.
    Almost as awkward as the Lucky Guy one which can't spell Urquhart :)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    FTPT
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:


    Foment. Fermenting is something altogether different.

    I always thought so, but apparently ferment can also mean stir or incite trouble, if Google is to be believed.
    Google isn't to be believed. They're trying to excuse people's ignorance.
    Oxford English dictionary disagrees with you listing ferment as

    To work up into a ferment or agitation; to excite, stir up.
    or
    To exacerbate; to foment, inflame.

    Giving examples from the 1600s and 1700s onwards.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Things are so bad for Labour, I'm almost tempted to follow tim on twitter...

    I'm leaving that for Labour's End of Days. I mean, where else is there left to go after tim?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    JohnO said:

    Speedy said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Scott_P said:

    @MSmithsonPB: Corbyn's YouGov leader ratings from LAB voters, with just 45% saying he's doing well, are now below anything EdM experienced.

    One has to wonder what Corbyn could possibly do to persuade those 45% that he's not doing a good job, although to be fair he's working on that.
    I've been persuaded that he botched his reshuffle, by allowing most of his enemies to stay on board and continue their dirty work against the Labour party.
    I would have given him the thumps up for ousting Benn and the other 10 in one stroke, however he did not, so at presently I think he's not very good at it.

    Been too kind to Labour's enemies has turned me off a bit from Corbyn, so I'm not surprised to see his numbers drop, you can compromise on policy but not with the people of the anti-Labour factions.
    Corbyn's turning out not to be a good butcher at a time when most of his supporters (aka the majority of Labour) are angry with the conduct of his enemies and demand a good purge of them.
    Are you saying that the likes of Benn, Eagle etc are Labour's 'enemies'? I guess you are.

    By some measure you are the wisest fool ever to be seen in pb-dom.
    Speedy is a very useful poster, his post shows why Corbyn is going to lose support even further. Having pretty much exhausted the potential to lose support from the moderates, he'll now start losing support even from his core hard-left supporters, for exactly the reasons Speedy lays out (plus for the compromises on policy).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That awkward moment when Trump doesn't know Paris isn't in Germany.

    @realDonaldTrump: Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess-big crime. GET SMART!

    The GET SMART bit at the end just makes it worse.
    That awkward moment when neither TSE or FrancisUrguhart can properly read a tweet.
    Trump should have used either the Oxford comma and/or an 'and'
  • WandererWanderer Posts: 3,838
    TwistedFireStopper said:

    Plato_Says said:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12087093/Why-I-ran-down-Whitehall-in-my-pants.html

    Everyone remembers where they were when they saw that fateful exit poll on election evening. I’ll tell you where I was. Mentally sprinting in the buff down one of London’s busiest thoroughfares. Think of the horror Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg were feeling at that moment, then multiply it a couple of hundred times.

    I had considered quietly backing out. Over time people would just forget everything I’d said before the election. Like they did with Vince Cable.

    But I hadn’t figured on two people. One was Ukip MEP Patrick O’Flynn. He began stalking me. “When’s the naked streak Dan? Once a week, every week. The same tweet. It was like be tailed by the mysterious Indian tracker in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. “O’Flynn. They say he can track a man over stone.”

    The second was my wife.
    He's getting a lot of grief for that article, claiming he's welched on his original pledge, but it's a light hearted, well written piece, and a couple of charities are a couple of grand richer, so fair play to him.
    That reminds me, talking of that exit poll, did Ashdon ever eat his hat?

    He ate a chocolate hat that the BBC (or Sky? I forget) made for him. Alistair Campbell had a chocolate kilt at the same time.
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