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If only Labour had been less obsessed with attacking the incumbant at Sheffield Hallam and directed resources to defending Morley and Outwood instead.Richard_Nabavi said:
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If only he'd've nuked it... (Middlesbrough, not GOC)TheScreamingEagles said:
Another reason not to vote Green. Ted Heath's second greatest achievement was taking Middlesbrough out of Yorkshire.SandyRentool said:I see that Natalie Bennett's Christmas card features a map of the UK with proper county boundaries. If their reinstatement is official party policy, I might have to defect...
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At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
We must have been watching a different programme.0 -
No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.
I don't believe that you didn't know what BME means. Not in a month of Sundays.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.0 -
Believe what you like, it's voters that decide. Colour and race is clearly more important to you than me, I couldn't care less about it.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.
I don't believe that you didn't know what BME means. Not in a month of Sundays.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
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On topic
* Panel polling is problematic: it's not a random sample, it gets disproportionate response from the politically engaged, and it is difficult to accurately weight for propensity to vote
* Phone polling is problematic: it's massively affected by disproportionate response and the sample frame (the list of all possible respondents from which the sample is drawn) is massively fucked (unless you know of an accurate up-to-date register of mobile phone users. Which you don't)
But both of these techniques are recent-ish innovations: back in the 1940's you had to use different techniques, involving meeting people in the flesh and asking them. They're not used these days because they're pretty expensive, but they still work. I think if we raised about £50K we could get an old-school sample (say ten students in each of the twelve countries/regions asking questions and a couple of weekends to collate) done and actually get our own data instead of chewing other people's food. Does this sound good?
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We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.0 -
Fox & Friends
.@FrankLuntz panelists on why they switched support from Trump to Cruz after last night's #GOPdebate
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No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
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We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?0 -
OGH has found the key difference between the phone polls and online ones with the referendum.
Personally I think the phone ones are more accurate with the present picture, as the people online tend to be more informed of daily events and how the "renegotiation" is going, those on the phone are probably not paying attention to the EU stuff and they revert to default answers.
Come polling day though the online polls will be more accurate, since people will start paying attention to the EU to make their minds on the issue.
On the GOP debate, Rubio is cooked.
His opponents merged immigration with terrorism, so now if you are weak on immigration you are also weak on terrorism , and Rubio was crushed.
Where will Rubio's support go now that he's finished (since he's weak on both immigration and terrorism now), I guess some will go back to Bush, a few to Christie and Kasich.
Also about last nights live commentary, although it has spelling errors due to me trying to write them as fast as possible to keep up with the pace, they are accurate.
As you can see from the transcript, they really talked a lot of nonsense:
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/6769514938455859210 -
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.Barnesian, on May 2nd said:I agree Lab win at Croydon Central at 6/4 is a value bet but Lab most seats at 4/1 is a MUCH higher value bet. I simply don't understand it. What am I missing?
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Tissue_Price said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
LMAOBarnesian, on May 2nd said:I agree Lab win at Croydon Central at 6/4 is a value bet but Lab most seats at 4/1 is a MUCH higher value bet. I simply don't understand it. What am I missing?
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kerry-moscow-talks-syria-ukraine-35770084
US to support Russian position of leaving Assad in place.
It does now seem that we are on our own in wanting to remove him. I think we are also on our own in supporting this new Sunni army coalition. Philip Hammond has to rethink this and so does Dave. Our position is becomng more and more isolates wrt to Assad.0 -
Could we see Bush's price actually fall on Betfair? That seems like almost magical thinking.Speedy said:OGH has found the key difference between the phone polls and online ones with the referendum.
Personally I think the phone ones are more accurate with the present picture, as the people online tend to be more informed of daily events and how the "renegotiation" is going, those on the phone are probably not paying attention to the EU stuff and they revert to default answers.
Come polling day though the online polls will be more accurate, since people will start paying attention to the EU to make their minds on the issue.
On the GOP debate, Rubio is cooked.
His opponents merged immigration with terrorism, so now if you are weak on immigration you are also weak on terrorism , and Rubio was crushed.
Where will Rubio's support go now that he's finished (since he's weak on both immigration and terrorism now), I guess some will go back to Bush, a few to Christie and Kasich.
Also about last nights live commentary, although it has spelling errors due to me trying to write them as fast as possible to keep up with the pace, they are accurate.
As you can see from the transcript, they really talked a lot of nonsense:
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/6769514938455859210 -
Tissue_Price said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Barnesian's comments were based on opinion polls. Also, very few believed the Lib Dems staggering collapse. I did not fall for the 25 - 30 seats but even I thought they will get close to 15.Barnesian, on May 2nd said:I agree Lab win at Croydon Central at 6/4 is a value bet but Lab most seats at 4/1 is a MUCH higher value bet. I simply don't understand it. What am I missing?
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If telephone polling is susceptible to 'shy x' issues then face to face - where you actually have to look someone in the eye as you say it - may be just as bad or possibly even worse.viewcode said:On topic
But both of these techniques are recent-ish innovations: back in the 1940's you had to use different techniques, involving meeting people in the flesh and asking them. They're not used these days because they're pretty expensive, but they still work. I think if we raised about £50K we could get an old-school sample (say ten students in each of the twelve countries/regions asking questions and a couple of weekends to collate) done and actually get our own data instead of chewing other people's food. Does this sound good?0 -
Worth staying up all night to see, though the hour of resignations was quite fun as well.Wanderer said:
How gracious Balls was in defeat.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes there isSimonStClare said:' Ed Balls was an MP'
Best bit of election night
– shame there is no TV footage to record the special event….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FREMA0c1bTg
However, Balls will be amazed at the fine mess Labour are in thanks to Ed's departure and Corbyn's arrival. I doubt that he would have lost to Corbyn in the same way as his wife.0 -
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)
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Tissue_Price said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.Barnesian, on May 2nd said:I agree Lab win at Croydon Central at 6/4 is a value bet but Lab most seats at 4/1 is a MUCH higher value bet. I simply don't understand it. What am I missing?
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OT I think the phone polls are more reliable than the online polls especially on single issues. The Booers are almost certainly more active on online forums of all kinds and I feel this suggests the race is closer than it is. Having said that I accept that the outcome of the negotiations will be crucial in swaying the middle of the road vote. Nothing will impact on the Booers who increasingly display all the symptoms of the Nats at their worst.0
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Barnesian's comments were based on opinion polls. Also, very few believed the Lib Dems staggering collapse. I did not fall for the 25 - 30 seats but even I thought they will get close to 15.surbiton said:Tissue_Price said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.Barnesian, on May 2nd said:I agree Lab win at Croydon Central at 6/4 is a value bet but Lab most seats at 4/1 is a MUCH higher value bet. I simply don't understand it. What am I missing?
To be fair, 6/4 on Croydon Central was a value bet, the Tory maj was 153. And anyone can look back through anybody (who's ever had the cojones to tip anything)'s comments and find lots of losers. But Barnesian, whose contributions I do value, projecting himself as some sort of "cold objective" observer is one of the more risible things I've seen on here!0 -
Barnesian's comments were based on opinion polls. Also, very few believed the Lib Dems staggering collapse. I did not fall for the 25 - 30 seats but even I thought they will get close to 15.surbiton said:Tissue_Price said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.Barnesian, on May 2nd said:I agree Lab win at Croydon Central at 6/4 is a value bet but Lab most seats at 4/1 is a MUCH higher value bet. I simply don't understand it. What am I missing?
Indeed - and they proved almost as useless as his interpretations of the significance of PMQs0 -
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.0 -
Except Yvette would have been standing.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, he was - a very dignified, gracious and well-judged speech.Wanderer said:How gracious Balls was in defeat.
More generally, I think he was by far the leading senior Labour politician of those standing for re-election in 2015. If he hadn't been defeated in Morley & Outwood he'd probably be Labour leader now - and Labour would be in a massively better place.0 -
No comment - just enjoyed seeing those LD figures.rcs1000 said:
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)0 -
Whilst detesting Ed Balls, he knew his trade down to his fingertips. I honestly think that Labour wouldn't be where it is today if he hadn't lost his seat.
If I were Sensible Labour - I'd be seeking his council, a lot. That he's been invisible post GE2015 is fascinating.dr_spyn said:
Worth staying up all night to see, though the hour of resignations was quite fun as well.Wanderer said:
How gracious Balls was in defeat.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yes there isSimonStClare said:' Ed Balls was an MP'
Best bit of election night – shame there is no TV footage to record the special event….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FREMA0c1bTg
However, Balls will be amazed at the fine mess Labour are in thanks to Ed's departure and Corbyn's arrival. I doubt that he would have lost to Corbyn in the same way as his wife.0 -
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
Labour took 2 seats net from the Tories.
Which is a shockingly bad performance consider the Lib Dems fell by 16% since 2010
PS - The Tories would still have a majority, even if Labour had taken every seat in North Britain0 -
*no laughing at the back*rcs1000 said:
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)0 -
Personally, I can't forgive the LibDems for failing to get to 10 seats. I would be several thousand pounds richer if they'd made it :-)Plato_Says said:*no laughing at the back*
rcs1000 said:
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)0 -
Could the problem with this type of phone polling be the fact that a very large % of the senior citizens have TPS and call blocking systems in place so the available pool of people does not provide a good demographic sample and is instead skewed by those senior folk unable or unwilling to put in blocking measures. The very elderly, frail and infirm may dominate the sample for that age range.Speedy said:OGH has found the key difference between the phone polls and online ones with the referendum.
Personally I think the phone ones are more accurate with the present picture, as the people online tend to be more informed of daily events and how the "renegotiation" is going, those on the phone are probably not paying attention to the EU stuff and they revert to default answers.....
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''But Barnesian, whose contributions I do value, projecting himself as some sort of "cold objective" observer is one of the more risible things I've seen on here!''
The brash confidence of posters whose predictions were completely exposed by May 2015 is one of the more interesting aspects of PB.0 -
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
That 'savaging' started almost as soon as Clegg left the Rose Garden with Cameron winking at Tory attacks on the AV referendum and setting up the LD's .... who admittedly walked into the trap .... over tuition fees.
I don't suppose at my age that I'll live to the see the Tories get the come-uppence royally due to them, but I really hope I do.0 -
Don't get upset at this but for me that was one of the most interesting things about the election.rcs1000 said:
Personally, I can't forgive the LibDems for failing to get to 10 seats. I would be several thousand pounds richer if they'd made it :-)Plato_Says said:*no laughing at the back*
rcs1000 said:
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)
You were possibly the most pessimistic PBer on the Lib Dems chances, and you still overestimated the Lib Dems.0 -
TPS doesn't apply to polls, as far as I know, and very few people have call-blocking systems.TCPoliticalBetting said:Could the problem with this type of phone polling be the fact that a very large % of the senior citizens have TPS and call blocking systems in place so the available pool of people does not provide a good demographic sample and is instead skewed by those senior folk unable or unwilling to put in blocking measures. The very elderly, frail and infirm may dominate the sample for that age range.
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It could be better and it could be worse.watford30 said:
Great to hear that the NHS is operating to plan, as one assumes.Freggles said:
LOL!!!!watford30 said:
You'd think after years of practice, they'd have dealt with the problem by now. "Oh look Winter's approaching, shall we do some planning, or just wait until the last minute and have a good old fashioned crisis?"chestnut said:
I'm surprised the organisation hasn't been officially rebranded NHSinWCglw said:
Don't we have an NHS Winter Crisis every year? It certainly seems that way.DaemonBarber said:NHS Winter Crisis
A tremendous amount of planning goes into winter preparedness. The vast, vast majority of people are still being seen, treated and shown the door within 4 hours of arriving at A&E despite historic levels of demand.
Unless you think the answer is to build and recruit extra hospitals, nurses, doctors and GPs to only operate in the winter, we are always going to have to put measures in place and you can't stop respiratory illnesses in the elderly. The only solutions are to try and make the system more slick, and commissioners are throwing the kitchen sink at it.... but if you are going to slice and dice Social Care of course you are going to have delayed discharges (of which there are also record numbers).
Delayed discharges equals full hospitals equals queuing ambulances equals people waiting hours after a 999 call.
Of course if the NHS was really as dire as PB Tories say, the vulnerable elderly wouldn't be around to be admitted - and that would take the edge off winter....
So why do Labour continually bang on about a health service in crisis?
More money (over the long term, not the short term) could turn things around but there are no quick fixes.
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Comeuppance over what exactly? They've been in power for 7 months.
That 'savaging' started almost as soon as Clegg left the Rose Garden with Cameron winking at Tory attacks on the AV referendum and setting up the LD's .... who admittedly walked into the trap .... over tuition fees.OldKingCole said:
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
snipBarnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
I don't suppose at my age that I'll live to the see the Tories get the come-uppence royally due to them, but I really hope I do.
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Well, I had a covering bet on 0-9 at 16/1 so I didn't lose money :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't get upset at this but for me that was one of the most interesting things about the election.rcs1000 said:
Personally, I can't forgive the LibDems for failing to get to 10 seats. I would be several thousand pounds richer if they'd made it :-)Plato_Says said:*no laughing at the back*
rcs1000 said:
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)
You were possibly the most pessimistic PBer on the Lib Dems chances, and you still overestimated the Lib Dems.
More seriously, I put out a forecast of LibDem seat numbers at various national vote shares.At 8% they were forecast to get 9 seats.
At 10%, they would have gotten 14 seats.
I thought the LDs would get 10% not 8%.0 -
'Idon't suppose at my age that I'll live to the see the Tories get the come-uppence royally due to them, but I really hope I do.'
Don;t lose heart. It might happen next year if Cameron loses the referendum.0 -
The policy of getting rid of Assad is quite antiquated now, it was formed at a time when Cameron was down in the polls and thought that he needed to appear strong to reverse his polling decline.MaxPB said:http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kerry-moscow-talks-syria-ukraine-35770084
US to support Russian position of leaving Assad in place.
It does now seem that we are on our own in wanting to remove him. I think we are also on our own in supporting this new Sunni army coalition. Philip Hammond has to rethink this and so does Dave. Our position is becomng more and more isolates wrt to Assad.
Sarkozy also had the same problem, so they ganged up on Obama to force him to militarily intervene with them in Libya and Syria.
Cameron doesn't need to appear macho now, but France has traded one unpopular President for another, and Hollande is as desperate as Sarkozy was.
And Obama seems to be getting bored with following the British-French line in the middle east, especially since the problems are mounting.
My guess was always that the americans would ditch Cameron and Hollande in the end, due to internal politics mattering more than the opinion of the british PM or the french President.
The Libyan and Syrian policies are a disaster and the Republicans are constantly using it against Obama and Hillary, Obama would not like to give them further ammunition in an election year.0 -
I was going to suggest a EU A&E Doctor Force that can cross borders and fix A&E backlogs without asking the relevant government for permission, since we know that the nasty baby eating Tories wouldn't do it any other way...rcs1000 said:
What we really need is cross-border A&E doctors, who work the winters in both the UK and New Zealand.Freggles said:
LOL!!!!watford30 said:
You'd think after years of practice, they'd have dealt with the problem by now. "Oh look Winter's approaching, shall we do some planning, or just wait until the last minute and have a good old fashioned crisis?"chestnut said:
I'm surprised the organisation hasn't been officially rebranded NHSinWCglw said:
Don't we have an NHS Winter Crisis every year? It certainly seems that way.DaemonBarber said:NHS Winter Crisis
A tremendous amount of planning goes into winter preparedness. The vast, vast majority of people are still being seen, treated and shown the door within 4 hours of arriving at A&E despite historic levels of demand.
Unless you think the answer is to build and recruit extra hospitals, nurses, doctors and GPs to only operate in the winter, we are always going to have to put measures in place and you can't stop respiratory illnesses in the elderly. The only solutions are to try and make the system more slick, and commissioners are throwing the kitchen sink at it.... but if you are going to slice and dice Social Care of course you are going to have delayed discharges (of which there are also record numbers).
Delayed discharges equals full hospitals equals queuing ambulances equals people waiting hours after a 999 call.
Of course if the NHS was really as dire as PB Tories say, the vulnerable elderly wouldn't be around to be admitted - and that would take the edge off winter....0 -
TPS does not block calls from opinion pollsters.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Could the problem with this type of phone polling be the fact that a very large % of the senior citizens have TPS and call blocking systems in place so the available pool of people does not provide a good demographic sample and is instead skewed by those senior folk unable or unwilling to put in blocking measures. The very elderly, frail and infirm may dominate the sample for that age range.Speedy said:OGH has found the key difference between the phone polls and online ones with the referendum.
Personally I think the phone ones are more accurate with the present picture, as the people online tend to be more informed of daily events and how the "renegotiation" is going, those on the phone are probably not paying attention to the EU stuff and they revert to default answers.....
(I know because I use TPS and I've been called.)
However, the phone pollsters are skewed towards people who have home phone lines.0 -
Sums up human beings perfectly.
Quite how we can rear and then kill and eat fellow sentient mammals is quite perverse too.
If some higher intelligence pops along and then decides to treat us completely appallingly we would get our just deserts. More likely that we would have wiped ourselves out long before then though because we are such egotistical, selfish, horribly invasive, greedy things that have little regard for anything other than our selves.
As a dog person I find it slightly surreal that one can buy a dog just like a kettle.Wanderer said:
What a ridiculous idea. You can't buy a cat. You can invite a cat into your home, and, if on inspection the premises are of satisfactory quality and the staff are suitable, then the cat may decide to accept the invitation.Richard_Nabavi said:Plato_Says said:What a perfect Christmas present http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8811274
The site selling the board game, dudeiwantthat.com, reads: "Cat-Opoly is a Monopoly for people who really, really, really like cats. And cat videos, cat memes, cat selfies, cat forums, cat Reddit threads..."
The aim of the game is to buy as many cats as you can.
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That doesn't solve the issue with seasonality unfortunately. You need to have sick people in warm places in winter; or doctors in cold places.Indigo said:
I was going to suggest a EU A&E Doctor Force that can cross borders and fix A&E backlogs without asking the relevant government for permission, since we know that the nasty baby eating Tories wouldn't do it any other way...rcs1000 said:
What we really need is cross-border A&E doctors, who work the winters in both the UK and New Zealand.Freggles said:
LOL!!!!watford30 said:
You'd think after years of practice, they'd have dealt with the problem by now. "Oh look Winter's approaching, shall we do some planning, or just wait until the last minute and have a good old fashioned crisis?"chestnut said:
I'm surprised the organisation hasn't been officially rebranded NHSinWCglw said:
Don't we have an NHS Winter Crisis every year? It certainly seems that way.DaemonBarber said:NHS Winter Crisis
A tremendous amount of planning goes into winter preparedness. The vast, vast majority of people are still being seen, treated and shown the door within 4 hours of arriving at A&E despite historic levels of demand.
Unless you think the answer is to build and recruit extra hospitals, nurses, doctors and GPs to only operate in the winter, we are always going to have to put measures in place and you can't stop respiratory illnesses in the elderly. The only solutions are to try and make the system more slick, and commissioners are throwing the kitchen sink at it.... but if you are going to slice and dice Social Care of course you are going to have delayed discharges (of which there are also record numbers).
Delayed discharges equals full hospitals equals queuing ambulances equals people waiting hours after a 999 call.
Of course if the NHS was really as dire as PB Tories say, the vulnerable elderly wouldn't be around to be admitted - and that would take the edge off winter....0 -
PoliticsHome @politicshome 2m2 minutes ago
Philip Hammond on Syrian opposition groups meeting: “The gender balance in the Riyadh meeting was, frankly, disappointing.”
What about the transgender community?0 -
The meeting was in Riyadh. What did he expect ?dr_spyn said:PoliticsHome @politicshome 2m2 minutes ago
Philip Hammond on Syrian opposition groups meeting: “The gender balance in the Riyadh meeting was, frankly, disappointing.”
What about the transgender community?0 -
I believe Caitlin Janner was there. (S)he's bloody everywhere at the moment.dr_spyn said:PoliticsHome @politicshome 2m2 minutes ago
Philip Hammond on Syrian opposition groups meeting: “The gender balance in the Riyadh meeting was, frankly, disappointing.”
What about the transgender community?0 -
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
Given how delighted you must be with your Corbyn winnings let's hope it consoles you for future GE defeats. Oh and the result - spin it how you like, but you lost. End of.0 -
Its a knock out.
Disgraced paedophile broadcaster Stuart Hall has been released from prison ahead of his 86th birthday next week - PA0 -
I can't see any likelihood to vote measure in the Comres EU poll.
I find it very hard to believe that it will draw a turnout like the SIndy Referendum, and the overwhelming support to remain seems heavily built into the votes of the relatively young, who are notoriously unreliable and unregistered. London will be loaded with lots of ineligible voters as well.
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I wish people wouldn't talk so much about predictions. I'm going to have to review my predictions for last year and they aren't going to make pretty reading for me.0
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Yes, what I would add is that the mentality of people with TPS is to treat attempts at such calls as unwelcome and not to respond helpfully. Others just use Caller ID and do not answer numbers that they do not recognise.rcs1000 said:
TPS does not block calls from opinion pollsters.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Could the problem with this type of phone polling be the fact that a very large % of the senior citizens have TPS and call blocking systems in place so the available pool of people does not provide a good demographic sample and is instead skewed by those senior folk unable or unwilling to put in blocking measures. The very elderly, frail and infirm may dominate the sample for that age range.Speedy said:OGH has found the key difference between the phone polls and online ones with the referendum.
Personally I think the phone ones are more accurate with the present picture, as the people online tend to be more informed of daily events and how the "renegotiation" is going, those on the phone are probably not paying attention to the EU stuff and they revert to default answers.....
(I know because I use TPS and I've been called.)
However, the phone pollsters are skewed towards people who have home phone lines.
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doesn't everyone have a display which shows the number the call is coming from? I don't answer unless it's a number I want to hear from. The rest can leave a messageRichard_Nabavi said:
TPS doesn't apply to polls, as far as I know, and very few people have call-blocking systems.TCPoliticalBetting said:Could the problem with this type of phone polling be the fact that a very large % of the senior citizens have TPS and call blocking systems in place so the available pool of people does not provide a good demographic sample and is instead skewed by those senior folk unable or unwilling to put in blocking measures. The very elderly, frail and infirm may dominate the sample for that age range.
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Just focus on your Scottish predictions.AlastairMeeks said:I wish people wouldn't talk so much about predictions. I'm going to have to review my predictions for last year and they aren't going to make pretty reading for me.
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Labour took 2 seats net from the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
Which is a shockingly bad performance consider the Lib Dems fell by 16% since 2010
PS - The Tories would still have a majority, even if Labour had taken every seat in North Britain
The Tories won 27 seats off the Liberals. That gave them the majority.0 -
Merry Christmas from Team Jezza. Woolworths 1983, hat-tip to http://www.aquarterof.co.uk where I buy all my favourite sweeties
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There are clearly lots of factors at work. Is it a nice Polish 23 year old girl on the phone? If so, that might skew responses towards stay.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes, what I would add is that the mentality of people with TPS is to treat attempts at such calls as unwelcome and not to respond helpfully. Others just use Caller ID and do not answer numbers that they do not recognise.rcs1000 said:
TPS does not block calls from opinion pollsters.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Could the problem with this type of phone polling be the fact that a very large % of the senior citizens have TPS and call blocking systems in place so the available pool of people does not provide a good demographic sample and is instead skewed by those senior folk unable or unwilling to put in blocking measures. The very elderly, frail and infirm may dominate the sample for that age range.Speedy said:OGH has found the key difference between the phone polls and online ones with the referendum.
Personally I think the phone ones are more accurate with the present picture, as the people online tend to be more informed of daily events and how the "renegotiation" is going, those on the phone are probably not paying attention to the EU stuff and they revert to default answers.....
(I know because I use TPS and I've been called.)
However, the phone pollsters are skewed towards people who have home phone lines.
I suspect caller ID blocking is a very, very minor factor.0 -
''I'm going to have to review my predictions for last year and they aren't going to make pretty reading for me. ''
But that's the point. You are prepared to be self-critical. Others who have been spectacularly wrong, aren't. Moreover, they consider their opinions carry as much weight on here as they did before May.0 -
Which reminds me. Robert can you delete all my pre election posts where I said a hung parliament was free money.
Ta.0 -
Labour took 2 seats net from the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
Which is a shockingly bad performance consider the Lib Dems fell by 16% since 2010
PS - The Tories would still have a majority, even if Labour had taken every seat in North Britain
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One man's voting reform is another man's fix.
https://twitter.com/GrahamAllenMP/status/677130451648139264/photo/1
If only Mr Allen could have encouraged Tony and Gordon to step up and introduce PR when they had the chance.0 -
@Telegraph: #jez100 campaign asks Twitter for their favourite moments and it goes horribly wrong https://t.co/A28ieQCCSi https://t.co/AE3yzBFsAK0
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Rather my point, the EU Border Force isn't going to solve anything either, that's not the point of it. Control will be extended to another area of national government and bugger sovereignty or subsidiarity, today borders, tomorrow emergency healthcare.rcs1000 said:
That doesn't solve the issue with seasonality unfortunately. You need to have sick people in warm places in winter; or doctors in cold places.Indigo said:
I was going to suggest a EU A&E Doctor Force that can cross borders and fix A&E backlogs without asking the relevant government for permission, since we know that the nasty baby eating Tories wouldn't do it any other way...rcs1000 said:
What we really need is cross-border A&E doctors, who work the winters in both the UK and New Zealand.Freggles said:
LOL!!!!watford30 said:
You'd think after years of practice, they'd have dealt with the problem by now. "Oh look Winter's approaching, shall we do some planning, or just wait until the last minute and have a good old fashioned crisis?"chestnut said:
I'm surprised the organisation hasn't been officially rebranded NHSinWCglw said:
Don't we have an NHS Winter Crisis every year? It certainly seems that way.DaemonBarber said:NHS Winter Crisis
A tremendous amount of planning goes into winter preparedness. The vast, vast majority of people are still being seen, treated and shown the door within 4 hours of arriving at A&E despite historic levels of demand.
Unless you think the answer is to build and recruit extra hospitals, nurses, doctors and GPs to only operate in the winter, we are always going to have to put measures in place and you can't stop respiratory illnesses in the elderly. The only solutions are to try and make the system more slick, and commissioners are throwing the kitchen sink at it.... but if you are going to slice and dice Social Care of course you are going to have delayed discharges (of which there are also record numbers).
Delayed discharges equals full hospitals equals queuing ambulances equals people waiting hours after a 999 call.
Of course if the NHS was really as dire as PB Tories say, the vulnerable elderly wouldn't be around to be admitted - and that would take the edge off winter....0 -
Jeff Capes, Eric Bristow, Daley Thompson.
That's a great advert !0 -
Hmm. And exit the EU. That's a really tough choice!taffys said:'Idon't suppose at my age that I'll live to the see the Tories get the come-uppence royally due to them, but I really hope I do.'
Don;t lose heart. It might happen next year if Cameron loses the referendum.
Although of course if Cameron recommended Brexit and we voted to stay in...............
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The DUP have the same number of MPs. And they are all white blokesrcs1000 said:
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)
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PR = Con minority, UKIP & DUP tacit support.dr_spyn said:One man's voting reform is another man's fix.
https://twitter.com/GrahamAllenMP/status/677130451648139264/photo/1
If only Mr Allen could have encouraged Tony and Gordon to step up and introduce PR when they had the chance.0 -
The ability to predict an election is insignificant next to the power of The Force!TheScreamingEagles said:Which reminds me. Robert can you delete all my pre election posts where I said a hung parliament was free money.
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Their new leader is set to be a woman - Arlene Foster.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The DUP have the same number of MPs. And they are all white blokesrcs1000 said:
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)0 -
That graphic is the pictorial essence of why most people are against electoral reform.dr_spyn said:One man's voting reform is another man's fix.
https://twitter.com/GrahamAllenMP/status/677130451648139264/photo/1
If only Mr Allen could have encouraged Tony and Gordon to step up and introduce PR when they had the chance.
Thought 1: What am I looking at?
Thought 2*: Actually, I couldn't care less.
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The Tories won 27 seats off the Liberals. That gave them the majority.surbiton said:
Labour took 2 seats net from the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for 5 years against Miliband - you need to be reminded of the result?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost some of its leading figures and ended up with an unelectable, anti-Western, far left leader who is in the process of driving the party off a cliff. Imagine if you had predicted, a year ago, that Jeremy Corbyn would today be Labour leader.
At PMQs today he was of dire, which shows how low expectations are. with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
Which is a shockingly bad performance consider the Lib Dems fell by 16% since 2010
PS - The Tories would still have a majority, even if Labour had taken every seat in North Britain
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just had my first email from TeamBackZac asking for help this weekend.0 -
I see that the twitterer with the first embedded tweet has decided to have even more mischief with it. Social media is a dangerous game for newspapers.Scott_P said:@Telegraph: #jez100 campaign asks Twitter for their favourite moments and it goes horribly wrong https://t.co/A28ieQCCSi https://t.co/AE3yzBFsAK
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@HTScotPol: Copy of @JohnSwinney budget speech just handed to media. Magic... https://t.co/GGxR2Bg7120
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Merkel tells Cam to get stuffed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12052929/eu-referendum-brexit-fears-ahead-of-david-cameron-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-live.htmlAngela Merkel has told David Cameron that she will not give in to his demands for a ban on in-work benefits for EU migrants.
In a direct threat on the eve of the European Council, she said it cannot be done.
Mrs Merkel told the Bundestag lower house of parliament: "We don't want to, and we won't, call into question the core principles of European integration. These include in particular the principle of free movement and the principle of non-discrimination between European citizens."0 -
Turkey ok at Christmas but beef is off your table?tyson said:Sums up human beings perfectly.
Quite how we can rear and then kill and eat fellow sentient mammals is quite perverse too.
If some higher intelligence pops along and then decides to treat us completely appallingly we would get our just deserts. More likely that we would have wiped ourselves out long before then though because we are such egotistical, selfish, horribly invasive, greedy things that have little regard for anything other than our selves.
As a dog person I find it slightly surreal that one can buy a dog just like a kettle.Wanderer said:
What a ridiculous idea. You can't buy a cat. You can invite a cat into your home, and, if on inspection the premises are of satisfactory quality and the staff are suitable, then the cat may decide to accept the invitation.Richard_Nabavi said:Plato_Says said:What a perfect Christmas present http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/8811274
The site selling the board game, dudeiwantthat.com, reads: "Cat-Opoly is a Monopoly for people who really, really, really like cats. And cat videos, cat memes, cat selfies, cat forums, cat Reddit threads..."
The aim of the game is to buy as many cats as you can.
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@HTScotPol: Fancy that. @JohnSwinney announces Scottish income tax in 2016-17 will match that in UK0
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.@scotgov has just handed out totally blacked out section on tax from @JohnSwinney #budget - happening now https://t.co/Jn22uYsteh0 -
Look at all those bonus seats the Tories get. What a sensible voting system.dr_spyn said:One man's voting reform is another man's fix.
https://twitter.com/GrahamAllenMP/status/677130451648139264/photo/1
If only Mr Allen could have encouraged Tony and Gordon to step up and introduce PR when they had the chance.0 -
What flavour of system produced those "results"?dr_spyn said:One man's voting reform is another man's fix.
https://twitter.com/GrahamAllenMP/status/677130451648139264/photo/1
If only Mr Allen could have encouraged Tony and Gordon to step up and introduce PR when they had the chance.
How can you take the votes cast under a non-proportional system and munge them into a completely different system and claim that the results are anything other than tripe?
If the last GE had been held under a proportional system, my vote could have been cast differently.0 -
''Hmm. And exit the EU. That's a really tough choice! ''
I doubt whether voting OUT would actually result in an exit.0 -
Swinney is agreeing GO is a genius and he cannot improve upon his income tax rates.Scott_P said:@HTScotPol: Fancy that. @JohnSwinney announces Scottish income tax in 2016-17 will match that in UK
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The Tories won 27 seats off the Liberals. That gave them the majority.surbiton said:
Labour took 2 seats net from the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for lt?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost
At PMQs today he was on the just okay side of dire, which shows how low expectations are. He had a decent issue in concerns about the NHS but he did nothing with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
Which is a shockingly bad performance consider the Lib Dems fell by 16% since 2010
PS - The Tories would still have a majority, even if Labour had taken every seat in North Britain
Well if Labour hadn't lost eight seats to the Tories, it would have deprived the Tories of a majority.
You can't pin it all on the Lib Dems.
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Look carefully - It's FPTP that gave the Tories the "bonus seats"RobD said:
Look at all those bonus seats the Tories get. What a sensible voting system.dr_spyn said:One man's voting reform is another man's fix.
https://twitter.com/GrahamAllenMP/status/677130451648139264/photo/1
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But she's not at Westminster - Nigel Dodds is the leader in Parliament.AlastairMeeks said:
Their new leader is set to be a woman - Arlene Foster.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The DUP have the same number of MPs. And they are all white blokesrcs1000 said:
That's a bit harsh. They only have eight MPs.TCPoliticalBetting said:
No women, No blacks, No Asian, No Irish.... Lib Dem MPs.Plato_Says said:No, it demonstrates that a Party is inclusive in word and deed about being blind to race - picking the best candidate for the seat.
The LDs have a very poor record for a Party that until May had lots of white men as MPs.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, no idea why anybody thinks it's relevant to anything other than ghastly quotas I suppose.Patrick said:
Black / Minority Ethnicblackburn63 said:
What is BME?Plato_Says said:Does anyone know how many BME MPs each Party has?
I'm increasing noticing at PMQs that one can't assume they're Labour MPs. Ranil Jayawardena was very good - Tory for Hants NE. Very media friendly and eloquent.
Do they have any LGBT LD MPs either? Just male WASPs?
(Or five, post boundary changes.)0 -
What a splendid system! Oh, we already use it? How convenientSunil_Prasannan said:
Look carefully - It's FPTP that gave the Tories the "bonus seats"RobD said:
Look at all those bonus seats the Tories get. What a sensible voting system.dr_spyn said:One man's voting reform is another man's fix.
twitter.com/GrahamAllenMP/status/677130451648139264/photo/1
If only Mr Allen could have encouraged Tony and Gordon to step up and introduce PR when they had the chance. 0 -
Well if Labour hadn't lost eight seats to the Tories, it would have deprived the Tories of a majority.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Tories won 27 seats off the Liberals. That gave them the majority.surbiton said:
Labour took 2 seats net from the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
I did bet on Corbyn for leader at 160/1.Barnesian said:
Indeed - that's why you won't be betting on Labour or Corbyn unless you believe the garbage you wrote about Cameron. His style was criticised in much the same way for lt?felix said:
We see what we want to see. Human nature. But if one wants to bet successfully one has to take off one's coloured glasses and observe in a cold objective light.Barnesian said:
We must have been watching a different programme.felix said:
At PMQs Cameron was red-faced, shouty, aggressive, repetitive and didn't answer the questions. Not a good look. Very off putting except to dedicated Tories.Barnesian said:Plato_Says said:...If the last year has been difficult for UKIP, it has been disastrous for the Labour party. Not only did it lose the general election in May heavily (by two million votes) and get almost wiped out in Scotland, it lost
At with it. Cameron, the victor of 2015, swatted him away time and again.Scott_P said:@iainmartin1: PMQs: Labour's miserable year closes with Corbyn flop. (Me for @CapX on dire 12 months for opposition) https://t.co/VkeBvQIOha via @CapX
In contrast Corbyn was dignified, respectful and asked detailed pertinent questions.
Dedicated Corbynistas would say Corbyn won hands down, but I suspect uncommitted voters would also say Corbyn came out the more attractive, whether you agree with his policies or not.
Cameron is a smart guy and I suspect he knows his flashman look is not appealing, particularly against Corbyn. No doubt he tries to control it but it comes so naturally to him.
The "result" you refer to was a combination of the Tories savaging their coalition partners (which will take a generation to forgive) and the SNP savaging Labour. Labour took seats (net) off the Tories even though Miliband made many mistakes and looked odd.
Which is a shockingly bad performance consider the Lib Dems fell by 16% since 2010
PS - The Tories would still have a majority, even if Labour had taken every seat in North Britain
You can't pin it all on the Lib Dems.
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@neiledwardlovat: The "progressive" SNP follow the Tories and cut income tax.
Lovely.
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Luke: You don't believe in PR, do you?RobD said:
What a splendid system! Oh, we already use it? How convenientSunil_Prasannan said:
Look carefully - It's FPTP that gave the Tories the "bonus seats"RobD said:
Look at all those bonus seats the Tories get. What a sensible voting system.dr_spyn said:One man's voting reform is another man's fix.
twitter.com/GrahamAllenMP/status/677130451648139264/photo/1
If only Mr Allen could have encouraged Tony and Gordon to step up and introduce PR when they had the chance.
Han: Kid, I've flown from one side of this constituency to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful PR controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical Electoral Reform controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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I thought they were raising all bands by 1p to finance the abolition of Council Tax?Scott_P said:@neiledwardlovat: The "progressive" SNP follow the Tories and cut income tax.
Lovely.
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"We need more powers. We need more powers. We need more powers."
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Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Union!Indigo said:Merkel tells Cam to get stuffed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/12052929/eu-referendum-brexit-fears-ahead-of-david-cameron-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-live.htmlAngela Merkel has told David Cameron that she will not give in to his demands for a ban on in-work benefits for EU migrants.
In a direct threat on the eve of the European Council, she said it cannot be done.
Mrs Merkel told the Bundestag lower house of parliament: "We don't want to, and we won't, call into question the core principles of European integration. These include in particular the principle of free movement and the principle of non-discrimination between European citizens."0 -
@ScottyNational: Rally: Scotland's poor spontaneously take to the streets to thank Swinney for not raising taxes - 'We're just fine as well are.' #scotbudget0
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Losing bets are much more interesting - they demonstrate examples of influences that were in the end wrong.
There's nothing wrong with being wrong - pretending you're always right is just daft.taffys said:''I'm going to have to review my predictions for last year and they aren't going to make pretty reading for me. ''
But that's the point. You are prepared to be self-critical. Others who have been spectacularly wrong, aren't. Moreover, they consider their opinions carry as much weight on here as they did before May.0 -
Hmm....The Scottish Rate Of Income Tax (SRIT) is an economic stinker but a political wonder. All UK income tax rates (basic, standard, high) are reduced in Scotland by 10%. The Scottish finance minister then has the right to nominate ONE AND ONLY ONE alternative rate to replace the lost 10%. He may not be more or less progressive by band - it's 'choose one number'. So...if he chose 9% then Scotland would get a tax cut (hooray) but also a significant spending cut (boo). If he chose 11% Scotland would pay more tax (boo) but get more spending (hooray). Either way he would be choosing deliberately to make some better off and some worse off in Scotland vs the rest of the UK. That will inevitably cause a big backlash whatever he chose. He can't win! Osborne is a cunning so and so / political genius - take your pick. He has all but forced Scotland to undermine the case for its own financial independence.TGOHF said:
Swinney is agreeing GO is a genius and he cannot improve upon his income tax rates.Scott_P said:@HTScotPol: Fancy that. @JohnSwinney announces Scottish income tax in 2016-17 will match that in UK
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