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What, because it is ok to pick on minorities in the population as long as they are relatively small ones?blackburn63 said:
Thank you, it confirms my point that although I disagree with what Trump said it really is much ado about nothing.Wanderer said:
It's about 3 million so about 1%, generally very well integrated.blackburn63 said:
Genuine question: what % of US is muslim?Wanderer said:
The overwhelming majority of American Muslims are productive, law-abiding citizens. They are no more prone to barbarism than American atheists, Christians, Jews etc. But you know this perfectly well.DiversityIsOurGodNow said:
Well my advice to the Muslim community would be, "fit in or f*** off". And if our esteemed politicians had made that clear from the beginning, certain areas of our green and pleasant land wouldn't be overrun with barbarous religious savages.Wanderer said:What must Muslim Americans be thinking?
I'm trying to think what I would do if the leading candidate for Labour or Conservative leader said that people like me should be excluded from the country and their polling improved. Start packing my bags?
I don't see them causing an awful lot of bother.
And I am obviously speculating wildly here but I think that President Trump's policy might have some impact on American foreign policy and international standing.
Hopefully we will never know.0 -
What's your opinion on George Galloway ?blackburn63 said:
Thank you, it confirms my point that although I disagree with what Trump said it really is much ado about nothing.Wanderer said:
It's about 3 million so about 1%, generally very well integrated.blackburn63 said:
Genuine question: what % of US is muslim?Wanderer said:
The overwhelming majority of American Muslims are productive, law-abiding citizens. They are no more prone to barbarism than American atheists, Christians, Jews etc. But you know this perfectly well.DiversityIsOurGodNow said:
Well my advice to the Muslim community would be, "fit in or f*** off". And if our esteemed politicians had made that clear from the beginning, certain areas of our green and pleasant land wouldn't be overrun with barbarous religious savages.Wanderer said:What must Muslim Americans be thinking?
I'm trying to think what I would do if the leading candidate for Labour or Conservative leader said that people like me should be excluded from the country and their polling improved. Start packing my bags?
I don't see them causing an awful lot of bother.0 -
In this land of dwindling FREE SPEECH, both generally and on PB, I've been ordered by Mr. Smithson not to mention M****m, I**********a, I**S, I***m, on pain of banishment or being taken out by a Hit Man one windy evening.
Long live TRUMP. May he triumph and spit in every liberal and lefty eye.0 -
Brilliant post.Gaius said:
You mean Palmer doesn't want to go to countries than enforce the sort of policies that he wanted to impose on the UK because those policies result in a shit place to live in for ordinary people.MonikerDiCanio said:
Oddly not.blackburn63 said:
Surely he'd prefer to join a country within the EU?MonikerDiCanio said:
Dr Palmer has expressed a wish to retire to miranetless Switzerland once his mischief making in the UK is finished.blackburn63 said:
Out of interest Mr Palmer where would you go?NickPalmer said:
Sheesh. If Britain became a country where one had to fit in with ideas like yours, it'd be time to leave.DiversityIsOurGodNow said:
Well my advice to the Muslim community would be, "fit in or f*** off". And if our esteemed politicians had made that clear from the beginning, certain areas of our green and pleasant land wouldn't be overrun with barbarous religious savages.Wanderer said:What must Muslim Americans be thinking?
I'm trying to think what I would do if the leading candidate for Labour or Conservative leader said that people like me should be excluded from the country and their polling improved. Start packing my bags?
He's also a great fan of Norway.
Shirley not.
Say it ain't so Nick.0 -
A new CBS/NYT poll shows the same numbers as Zogby:
Trump 35 /+13
Cruz 16 /+10
Carson 13 /-13
Rubio 9 /+1
Paul 4 /0
Bush 3 /-4
Huckabee 3 /-1
Kasich 3 /-1
Christie 3 /+2
Fiorina 1/ -6
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-donald-trump-top-ted-cruz-second-hillary-clinton-over-bernie-sanders/
Hillary 52 /0
Sanders 32 /-1
O'Malley 2 /-3
Trump is leading as much as Hillary.
Also a poll from Florida:
Trump 31/+5
Rubio 17 /-7
Bush 14 /-1
Carson 11 /-4
Cruz 10 /+5
http://polls.saintleo.edu/florida-mirrors-nation-in-persistent-affinity-for-trump-or-clinton-plus-growing-concern-for-security/
This is not a good polling week for Rubio, basically the only ones with momentum are now Trump and Cruz, and Trump not only leads by Hillary margins he's got a larger momentum that increases his lead.
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How about a "Lib Dems winning here" thread? That might sneak it past OGH's watchful gazeTheScreamingEagles said:
I'll rebadge it as an electoral reform thread.kle4 said:
I trust there will be something to compensate in its place? When OGH takes away withone hand...MikeSmithson said:
There will be NO AV thread during 2015.RobD said:0 -
It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.0
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I thought he was "gracious" not genial!Pulpstar said:0 -
The CBS poll was carried out from 4/12- 8/12 so only on only the final day would the sample have known about Trump statementSpeedy said:A new CBS/NYT poll shows the same numbers as Zogby:
Trump 35 /+13
Cruz 16 /+10
Carson 13 /-13
Rubio 9 /+1
Paul 4 /0
Bush 3 /-4
Huckabee 3 /-1
Kasich 3 /-1
Christie 3 /+2
Fiorina 1/ -6
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-donald-trump-top-ted-cruz-second-hillary-clinton-over-bernie-sanders/
Hillary 52 /0
Sanders 32 /-1
O'Malley 2 /-3
Trump is leading as much as Hillary.
Also a poll from Florida:
Trump 31/+5
Rubio 17 /-7
Bush 14 /-1
Carson 11 /-4
Cruz 10 /+5
http://polls.saintleo.edu/florida-mirrors-nation-in-persistent-affinity-for-trump-or-clinton-plus-growing-concern-for-security/
This is not a good polling week for Rubio, basically the only ones with momentum are now Trump and Cruz, and Trump not only leads by Hillary margins he's got a larger momentum that increases his lead.0 -
Look at the list of countries with 3% or less Muslim population and think how many Islamic terrorist incidents they have
Then do the same for 4-5, then 5-10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe
How many Islamic terrorist incidents do we hear of in South America?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_American_Muslims
Nothing to do with Scripture, the muslims in the countries where they are at 1-3% are as Islamic as those in any other country, and the % of extremists among them is probably similar... it is all about numbers and the clash between a dominant religion and one that is big enough to pose a threat, and I still say we would have the same problem if it were any other religion that was so big in number and not Islam0 -
A good rule of thumb is that democrats in the US are like Tories here, republicans in the US are like UKIP'ers here.SimonStClare said:Those who were predicting, including punters on Betfair, that Donald Trump’s controversial Muslim immigration statement would be a negative might have read it wrongly.
It was daft to make such predictions without waiting for the poll reaction of Americans.
The polling from the US is very predictable for this one, once you've seen the domestic UK yougov numbers by party affiliation.0 -
Not really, the exact same phenomenon can be observed with plane and car crashes.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
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So there is a strong possibility that Trump might even be higher now.MikeSmithson said:
The CBS poll was carried out from 4/12- 8/12 so only on only the final day would the sample have known about Trump statementSpeedy said:A new CBS/NYT poll shows the same numbers as Zogby:
Trump 35 /+13
Cruz 16 /+10
Carson 13 /-13
Rubio 9 /+1
Paul 4 /0
Bush 3 /-4
Huckabee 3 /-1
Kasich 3 /-1
Christie 3 /+2
Fiorina 1/ -6
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-donald-trump-top-ted-cruz-second-hillary-clinton-over-bernie-sanders/
Hillary 52 /0
Sanders 32 /-1
O'Malley 2 /-3
Trump is leading as much as Hillary.
Also a poll from Florida:
Trump 31/+5
Rubio 17 /-7
Bush 14 /-1
Carson 11 /-4
Cruz 10 /+5
http://polls.saintleo.edu/florida-mirrors-nation-in-persistent-affinity-for-trump-or-clinton-plus-growing-concern-for-security/
This is not a good polling week for Rubio, basically the only ones with momentum are now Trump and Cruz, and Trump not only leads by Hillary margins he's got a larger momentum that increases his lead.0 -
Not quite - no-one advocates banning planes.Pulpstar said:
Not really, the exact same phenomenon can be observed with plane and car crashes.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
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I'm just heading off to London for an event at the Russian Embassy.
Honey trap??
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Post a photo of her and we'll be able to give you a viewMikeSmithson said:I'm just heading off to London for an event at the Russian Embassy.
Honey trap??0 -
No, not really.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
A lot of the 90,000 of the gun deaths are black on black and/or criminal underclass slotting each other, so nothing to worry about.
The 14 victims of the muslim terrorists were ordinary decent middle class people caught up in a terrorist attack.
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Just avoid umbrella tips and say hi to LuckyguyMikeSmithson said:I'm just heading off to London for an event at the Russian Embassy.
Honey trap??0 -
I think people are becoming unnecessarily polarised over this issue - either outspokenly against Muslim immigration or apalled that anyone should object to features of it. It obscures the main issue that it is our Governments (successively) that have allowed this to happen, whether by incompetence or malice. We have enough laws, what we need is for them to be applied universally without fear or favour. Only when that has been tried and shown to have failed, will it be time to put any 'limits' on particular faiths.0
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@blairmcdougall: The most revealing part of the FMQs exchanges on #ForthRoadBridge https://t.co/ZFFvVc9YWr0
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@chockeyboy: FM's message seems to be that the new bridge is a fig leaf for the old one.
Unfortunately one is unfinished, the other broken.
#FMQs0 -
@Theendoftheday_: But but we're building a new one so we are. Doesn't excuse you from underfunding essential maintenance Nicola #fmqs0
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Noone really advocates banning cars either. I believe guns are seen in the same light in much of the USA.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not quite - no-one advocates banning planes.Pulpstar said:
Not really, the exact same phenomenon can be observed with plane and car crashes.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
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Yes. I think the part of the Republican base that supports Trump is unshockable by him.Speedy said:
So there is a strong possibility that Trump might even be higher now.MikeSmithson said:
The CBS poll was carried out from 4/12- 8/12 so only on only the final day would the sample have known about Trump statementSpeedy said:A new CBS/NYT poll shows the same numbers as Zogby:
Trump 35 /+13
Cruz 16 /+10
Carson 13 /-13
Rubio 9 /+1
Paul 4 /0
Bush 3 /-4
Huckabee 3 /-1
Kasich 3 /-1
Christie 3 /+2
Fiorina 1/ -6
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-donald-trump-top-ted-cruz-second-hillary-clinton-over-bernie-sanders/
Hillary 52 /0
Sanders 32 /-1
O'Malley 2 /-3
Trump is leading as much as Hillary.
Also a poll from Florida:
Trump 31/+5
Rubio 17 /-7
Bush 14 /-1
Carson 11 /-4
Cruz 10 /+5
http://polls.saintleo.edu/florida-mirrors-nation-in-persistent-affinity-for-trump-or-clinton-plus-growing-concern-for-security/
This is not a good polling week for Rubio, basically the only ones with momentum are now Trump and Cruz, and Trump not only leads by Hillary margins he's got a larger momentum that increases his lead.0 -
Not too bothered - unrelated factors like cost and opportunities would weigh more heavily than which particular country, but knowing the language would be helpful. Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Norway? But it'll be a while before a Trump clone runs Britain, I expect, so not going anywhere.blackburn63 said:
Out of interest Mr Palmer where would you go?
Also just out of interest, where would other people go if they wanted to leave for some reason?
WilliamH:
"Well, unfortunately for you he doesn't exist. And he was originally Belgian (but still fake)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/belgiumpork.asp "
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Not really. A lot of the 30,000 or so deaths a year are suicides and accidents, including deaths of decent middle-class people and their children. And even if you restrict the set to mass-shootings of the innocent chosen more or less at random, San Bernadino was, sadly, nothing particularly unusual in US terms.Gaius said:
No, not really.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
A lot of the 90,000 of the gun deaths are black on black and/or criminal underclass slotting each other, so nothing to worry about.
The 14 victims of the muslim terrorists were ordinary decent middle class people caught up in a terrorist attack.0 -
At some point Christie, Rubio and Bush's betfair price will meet with the reality of their polling.
Cruz, Trump and Carson all good value methinks.0 -
I've just had an interesting phone chat with Mr, Putin.MikeSmithson said:I'm just heading off to London for an event at the Russian Embassy.
Honey trap??
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GCHQ puzzle answer is a QR code. I haven't solved it but have seen enough to work that out..0
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I suspect we need to be careful about reading too much into the poll reaction to Trump.
I don't think it indicates that the GOP or Americans are uniquely racist or anything like that.
It's just that Islamic terrorists killing Americans is something that the voters are worried about. And Trump is offering a "solution". It may be simplistic and difficult to construct and enforce. But most voters don't care about the details - they just see someone with a Solution.
Obama just wrings his hands and mumbles on, while I haven't seen how anyone else on the Republican side has reacted
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How much of this do we think is ritual shadow-boxing before an inevitable deal?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/10/all-eu-states-oppose-david-camerons-freeze-migrant-benefits
Personally I think a deal is indeed inevitable, but Cameron has boxed himself in - I don't think he wants to be the PM who recommends Leave, but he's locked himself into a negotiating position that it will be difficult to sell as a success. Some sort of fudge will emerge, but it's getting genuinely tricky.0 -
Surely the fact of the gun massacre is proof of their integration, as Private Eye point out...Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
https://twitter.com/johnb78/status/6746841146587176980 -
Boxing yourself in is a negotiating tactic.NickPalmer said:How much of this do we think is ritual shadow-boxing before an inevitable deal?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/10/all-eu-states-oppose-david-camerons-freeze-migrant-benefits
Personally I think a deal is indeed inevitable, but Cameron has boxed himself in - I don't think he wants to be the PM who recommends Leave, but he's locked himself into a negotiating position that it will be difficult to sell as a success. Some sort of fudge will emerge, but it's getting genuinely tricky.0 -
Blimey, it's tetchy on here this afternoon. Pre-Christmas stress syndrome?0
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For once I agree with NickP.NickPalmer said:How much of this do we think is ritual shadow-boxing before an inevitable deal?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/10/all-eu-states-oppose-david-camerons-freeze-migrant-benefits
Personally I think a deal is indeed inevitable, but Cameron has boxed himself in - I don't think he wants to be the PM who recommends Leave, but he's locked himself into a negotiating position that it will be difficult to sell as a success. Some sort of fudge will emerge, but it's getting genuinely tricky.
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It's one of those markets where you want to lay the lot.Pulpstar said:At some point Christie, Rubio and Bush's betfair price will meet with the reality of their polling.
Cruz, Trump and Carson all good value methinks.
I've just laid Cruz at 5.4, having backed him at 10.4.
Dunno why Carson has gone out so far so quickly, but I'm not surprised that his trajectory is downwards.
I wouldn't rule out Christie; he might be value at 15.0.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Borough, Christmas is not as good as Easter, or Bonfire Night.0 -
The fact he doesn't exist rather strenghtens the case if you have the brains to think about what is being said.NickPalmer said:
Not too bothered - unrelated factors like cost and opportunities would weigh more heavily than which particular country, but knowing the language would be helpful. Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Norway? But it'll be a while before a Trump clone runs Britain, I expect, so not going anywhere.blackburn63 said:
Out of interest Mr Palmer where would you go?
Also just out of interest, where would other people go if they wanted to leave for some reason?
WilliamH:
"Well, unfortunately for you he doesn't exist. And he was originally Belgian (but still fake)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/belgiumpork.asp "
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So it is utterly the SNP's government's fault. Reduce the maintenance company's budget by 65% and organise maintenance around that available budget.Scott_P said:@blairmcdougall: The most revealing part of the FMQs exchanges on #ForthRoadBridge https://t.co/ZFFvVc9YWr
The proposed three year capital grant for FETA has been reduced by 65% and, as a result, a major review of FETA's Capital Plan over this period was carried out. This review has confirmed that FETA’s current contractual obligations can be met and has also identified the balance of funding available to carry out the non-committed capital schemes.
http://www.audit-scotland.gov.uk/docs/local/2012/fa_1112_forth_estuary_transport.pdf
37. Using risk analysis techniques, a priority ranking of the non-committed schemes has been carried out to determine which schemes can be taken forward within the available budget. Several schemes have had to be deferred and others reduced in scope. However, key risks remain with the condition of the Anchorages and the Main Cable and these are being investigated. When the results from these investigations are known then the level of risk can be fully evaluated and the impact assessed on FETA's Capital Plan.0 -
I think it's true that the reaction of many Western leaders to IS has been anaemic and has seemed to lack the element of authentic outrage. Part of what made Hilary Benn's speech so powerful was that here, at last, was someone in our own Parliament denouncing IS as "fascists.. that.. need to be defeated".Charles said:I suspect we need to be careful about reading too much into the poll reaction to Trump.
I don't think it indicates that the GOP or Americans are uniquely racist or anything like that.
It's just that Islamic terrorists killing Americans is something that the voters are worried about. And Trump is offering a "solution". It may be simplistic and difficult to construct and enforce. But most voters don't care about the details - they just see someone with a Solution.
Obama just wrings his hands and mumbles on, while I haven't seen how anyone else on the Republican side has reacted0 -
... and there's so may of them.Pulpstar said:
It's put clear red water between him and Ben Carson, so Trump is hoovering the right wing loon vote.Charles said:I haven't seen how anyone else on the Republican side has reacted
Are the percentage figures in the polls from registered Republicans or from US citizens generally?0 -
I'm negative Bush, and hedged (Pres +ve, Candidate -ve) on Rubio. Green all the rest- biggest green Trump for a couple of hundred quid. I don't think it's a market to do the mortgage on.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's one of those markets where you want to lay the lot.Pulpstar said:At some point Christie, Rubio and Bush's betfair price will meet with the reality of their polling.
Cruz, Trump and Carson all good value methinks.
I've just laid Cruz at 5.4, having backed him at 10.4.
Dunno why Carson has gone out so far so quickly, but I'm not surprised that his trajectory is downwards.
I wouldn't rule out Christie; he might be value at 15.0.0 -
That is only the very first step of many....JonnyJimmy said:GCHQ puzzle answer is a QR code. I haven't solved it but have seen enough to work that out..
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According to the article, the eagle was called Uncle Sam. I say 'called' because, unknown to Trump, he'd recently declared his new name was Yousef al-Bahrul.Blue_rog said:This might be a tipping point image
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12043586/Donald-Trump-attacked-by-a-bald-eagle-during-Time-Magazine-shoot.html
In the words of STW, Donald just Reaped the Whirlwind.0 -
One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/0 -
It's exactly what one would expect. There will be a deal on benefits. It's hardly a point of major principle for our EU friends, despite the rhetoric, and in any case a lot of countries support us on this, to some extent at least. Naturally the Poles and other Eastern European countries are holding out for some pork-barrelling; what else would anyone expect?NickPalmer said:How much of this do we think is ritual shadow-boxing before an inevitable deal?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/10/all-eu-states-oppose-david-camerons-freeze-migrant-benefits
Personally I think a deal is indeed inevitable, but Cameron has boxed himself in - I don't think he wants to be the PM who recommends Leave, but he's locked himself into a negotiating position that it will be difficult to sell as a success. Some sort of fudge will emerge, but it's getting genuinely tricky.
The 'rows' (whch of course aren't rows at all) will rumble on until the last possible moment, then a deal will be done on this.
What's perhaps more interesting, and rather surprising to me, is that Tusk seemed to think the other three main sets of demands were easier. In particular I was expecting the one about Eurozone hegemony to be the most difficult.0 -
Anorak said:
According to the article, the eagle was called Uncle Sam. I say 'called' because, unknown to Trump, he'd recently declared his new name was Yousef al-Bahrul.Blue_rog said:This might be a tipping point image
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12043586/Donald-Trump-attacked-by-a-bald-eagle-during-Time-Magazine-shoot.html
In the words of STW, Donald just Reaped the Whirlwind.
We should have a tweet from the eagle.Anorak said:
According to the article, the eagle was called Uncle Sam. I say 'called' because, unknown to Trump, he'd recently declared his new name was Yousef al-Bahrul.Blue_rog said:This might be a tipping point image
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/donald-trump/12043586/Donald-Trump-attacked-by-a-bald-eagle-during-Time-Magazine-shoot.html
In the words of STW, Donald just Reaped the Whirlwind.0 -
I still have a glimmer of hope that Christie will surprise us; I'm on him from way back at 28/1.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's one of those markets where you want to lay the lot.Pulpstar said:At some point Christie, Rubio and Bush's betfair price will meet with the reality of their polling.
Cruz, Trump and Carson all good value methinks.
I've just laid Cruz at 5.4, having backed him at 10.4.
Dunno why Carson has gone out so far so quickly, but I'm not surprised that his trajectory is downwards.
I wouldn't rule out Christie; he might be value at 15.0.
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Accidents are negligible and the twenty thousand or so suicides harm the person themselves.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not really. A lot of the 30,000 or so deaths a year are suicides and accidents, including deaths of decent middle-class people and their children. And even if you restrict the set to mass-shootings of the innocent chosen more or less at random, San Bernadino was, sadly, nothing particularly unusual in US terms.Gaius said:
No, not really.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
A lot of the 90,000 of the gun deaths are black on black and/or criminal underclass slotting each other, so nothing to worry about.
The 14 victims of the muslim terrorists were ordinary decent middle class people caught up in a terrorist attack.
The remaining ten thousand are mostly black on black/underclass and don't involve ordinary decent middle class people.
Muslim terrorist attacks come out of nowhere and target ordinary decent middle class people.
That is the difference.
And explains why Trump is rising in the polls.
Ordinary decent middle class people are unnerved and Trump is the only one addressing their fears.0 -
Mr. Nabavi, we'll see what the deal is. And if it's worth a damn.
I'm expecting a promise, which will be meaningless and ignored after we vote to Remain.0 -
It's not the name which makes ISIS bad....Luckyguy1983 said:One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/0 -
You complain about Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (despite linking to a story they generated the other day), yet believe al-masdar news?Luckyguy1983 said:One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/
Boy, your 'fact-checking' really is a load of self-serving rubbish, isn't it?
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Interesting use of the word 'decent'.Gaius said:
Accidents are negligible and the twenty thousand or so suicides harm the person themselves.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not really. A lot of the 30,000 or so deaths a year are suicides and accidents, including deaths of decent middle-class people and their children. And even if you restrict the set to mass-shootings of the innocent chosen more or less at random, San Bernadino was, sadly, nothing particularly unusual in US terms.Gaius said:
No, not really.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
A lot of the 90,000 of the gun deaths are black on black and/or criminal underclass slotting each other, so nothing to worry about.
The 14 victims of the muslim terrorists were ordinary decent middle class people caught up in a terrorist attack.
The remaining ten thousand are mostly black on black/underclass and don't involve ordinary decent middle class people.
Muslim terrorist attacks come out of nowhere and target ordinary decent middle class people.
That is the difference.
And explains why Trump is rising in the polls.
Ordinary decent middle class people are unnerved and Trump is the only one addressing their fears.
Were the Sandy Hook dead middle class & decent?0 -
Perhaps even a 'vow'.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Nabavi, we'll see what the deal is. And if it's worth a damn.
I'm expecting a promise, which will be meaningless and ignored after we vote to Remain.0 -
Mr. Pulpstar, on the plus side, I don't think any of the Out campaigns want us to use the euro
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Please turn on your troll-o-meter.Theuniondivvie said:
Interesting use of the word 'decent'.Gaius said:
Accidents are negligible and the twenty thousand or so suicides harm the person themselves.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not really. A lot of the 30,000 or so deaths a year are suicides and accidents, including deaths of decent middle-class people and their children. And even if you restrict the set to mass-shootings of the innocent chosen more or less at random, San Bernadino was, sadly, nothing particularly unusual in US terms.Gaius said:
No, not really.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
A lot of the 90,000 of the gun deaths are black on black and/or criminal underclass slotting each other, so nothing to worry about.
The 14 victims of the muslim terrorists were ordinary decent middle class people caught up in a terrorist attack.
The remaining ten thousand are mostly black on black/underclass and don't involve ordinary decent middle class people.
Muslim terrorist attacks come out of nowhere and target ordinary decent middle class people.
That is the difference.
And explains why Trump is rising in the polls.
Ordinary decent middle class people are unnerved and Trump is the only one addressing their fears.
Were the Sandy Hook dead middle class & decent?0 -
Hah, that's such an astoundingly casual racial slur I missed it the first time round.Theuniondivvie said:
Interesting use of the word 'decent'.Gaius said:
The remaining ten thousand are mostly black on black/underclass and don't involve ordinary decent middle class people.
Were the Sandy Hook dead middle class & decent?
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I'd have preferred us to be in the Euro this year tbh.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pulpstar, on the plus side, I don't think any of the Out campaigns want us to use the euro
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May we assume you are predicting a President Trump landslide to match your heady musings of 102 UKIP MP's.MikeK said:In this land of dwindling FREE SPEECH, both generally and on PB, I've been ordered by Mr. Smithson not to mention M****m, I**********a, I**S, I***m, on pain of banishment or being taken out by a Hit Man one windy evening.
Long live TRUMP. May he triumph and spit in every liberal and lefty eye.
Are you related to Roger ?
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It's on, dinnae worry.John_M said:
Please turn on your troll-o-meter.Theuniondivvie said:
Interesting use of the word 'decent'.Gaius said:
Accidents are negligible and the twenty thousand or so suicides harm the person themselves.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not really. A lot of the 30,000 or so deaths a year are suicides and accidents, including deaths of decent middle-class people and their children. And even if you restrict the set to mass-shootings of the innocent chosen more or less at random, San Bernadino was, sadly, nothing particularly unusual in US terms.Gaius said:
No, not really.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
A lot of the 90,000 of the gun deaths are black on black and/or criminal underclass slotting each other, so nothing to worry about.
The 14 victims of the muslim terrorists were ordinary decent middle class people caught up in a terrorist attack.
The remaining ten thousand are mostly black on black/underclass and don't involve ordinary decent middle class people.
Muslim terrorist attacks come out of nowhere and target ordinary decent middle class people.
That is the difference.
And explains why Trump is rising in the polls.
Ordinary decent middle class people are unnerved and Trump is the only one addressing their fears.
Were the Sandy Hook dead middle class & decent?0 -
The Tories little helper keeps up his feeble attempts at SNPBAD. Can you not get a life. Just accept the Tories are crap , they are going backwards in Scotland and will continue to do so as long as they are the London regional sockpuppet department and only attract nutjobs and no-users.Scott_P said:@blairmcdougall: The most revealing part of the FMQs exchanges on #ForthRoadBridge https://t.co/ZFFvVc9YWr
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Mr. Pulpstar, you treasonous pigdog.0
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Be especially wary of Ivan of the Belgravia Hair Centre ....MikeSmithson said:I'm just heading off to London for an event at the Russian Embassy.
Honey trap??
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Why?Theuniondivvie said:
Interesting use of the word 'decent'.Gaius said:
Accidents are negligible and the twenty thousand or so suicides harm the person themselves.Richard_Nabavi said:
Not really. A lot of the 30,000 or so deaths a year are suicides and accidents, including deaths of decent middle-class people and their children. And even if you restrict the set to mass-shootings of the innocent chosen more or less at random, San Bernadino was, sadly, nothing particularly unusual in US terms.Gaius said:
No, not really.Richard_Nabavi said:It does seem very odd that the US is reacting so strongly to one appalling terrorist gun attack which killed 14 people, but isn't in the least fussed about the other 90,000 gun deaths of the last three years.
A lot of the 90,000 of the gun deaths are black on black and/or criminal underclass slotting each other, so nothing to worry about.
The 14 victims of the muslim terrorists were ordinary decent middle class people caught up in a terrorist attack.
The remaining ten thousand are mostly black on black/underclass and don't involve ordinary decent middle class people.
Muslim terrorist attacks come out of nowhere and target ordinary decent middle class people.
That is the difference.
And explains why Trump is rising in the polls.
Ordinary decent middle class people are unnerved and Trump is the only one addressing their fears.
Are you trying to claim that most ordinary people are not decent.
And your reasoning for this, err, most unusual viewpoint is what, exactly.
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And the food ;-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Just avoid umbrella tips and say hi to LuckyguyMikeSmithson said:I'm just heading off to London for an event at the Russian Embassy.
Honey trap??0 -
Whilst good some of those responsible for the disgrace in Rotherham are being prosecuted, I do wonder at the relatively low numbers (so far):
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So what are the chances that Cameron backs Leave and Osborne doesn't? AIUI the latter is absolutely 100% wedded to remaining in the EU while Dave is still not persuaded by the case for staying in at any cost.0
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Are they in Dave's 70,000 ground troopsLuckyguy1983 said:One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/0 -
http://www.audit-scotland.gov.uk/docs/local/2012/fa_1112_forth_estuary_transport.pdfJosiasJessop said:
So it is utterly the SNP's government's fault. Reduce the maintenance company's budget by 65% and organise maintenance around that available budget.Scott_P said:@blairmcdougall: The most revealing part of the FMQs exchanges on #ForthRoadBridge https://t.co/ZFFvVc9YWr
The proposed three year capital grant for FETA has been reduced by 65% and, as a result, a major review of FETA's Capital Plan over this period was carried out. This review has confirmed that FETA’s current contractual obligations can be met and has also identified the balance of funding available to carry out the non-committed capital schemes.
37. Using risk analysis techniques, a priority ranking of the non-committed schemes has been carried out to determine which schemes can be taken forward within the available budget. Several schemes have had to be deferred and others reduced in scope. However, key risks remain with the condition of the Anchorages and the Main Cable and these are being investigated. When the results from these investigations are known then the level of risk can be fully evaluated and the impact assessed on FETA's Capital Plan.
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I'm pretty sure it's not the just the name that makes Harakat Ahrar Al-Sham's plans ominous either.RobD said:
It's not the name which makes ISIS bad....Luckyguy1983 said:One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/0 -
No, Old Man, I'm predicting nothing. Except perhaps, of a more than general tightening of the worlds purse strings.JackW said:
May we assume you are predicting a President Trump landslide to match your heady musings of 102 UKIP MP's.MikeK said:In this land of dwindling FREE SPEECH, both generally and on PB, I've been ordered by Mr. Smithson not to mention M****m, I**********a, I**S, I***m, on pain of banishment or being taken out by a Hit Man one windy evening.
Long live TRUMP. May he triumph and spit in every liberal and lefty eye.
Are you related to Roger ?0 -
Remember Dave always takes a cast iron position, no ifs, no buts.MaxPB said:So what are the chances that Cameron backs Leave and Osborne doesn't? AIUI the latter is absolutely 100% wedded to remaining in the EU while Dave is still not persuaded by the case for staying in at any cost.
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Isn't anyone with a beard, a gun, and no ISIS bumper sticker in Dave's 70,000?malcolmg said:
Are they in Dave's 70,000 ground troopsLuckyguy1983 said:One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/0 -
bolloxmalcolmg said:
http://www.audit-scotland.gov.uk/docs/local/2012/fa_1112_forth_estuary_transport.pdfJosiasJessop said:
So it is utterly the SNP's government's fault. Reduce the maintenance company's budget by 65% and organise maintenance around that available budget.Scott_P said:@blairmcdougall: The most revealing part of the FMQs exchanges on #ForthRoadBridge https://t.co/ZFFvVc9YWr
The proposed three year capital grant for FETA has been reduced by 65% and, as a result, a major review of FETA's Capital Plan over this period was carried out. This review has confirmed that FETA’s current contractual obligations can be met and has also identified the balance of funding available to carry out the non-committed capital schemes.
37. Using risk analysis techniques, a priority ranking of the non-committed schemes has been carried out to determine which schemes can be taken forward within the available budget. Several schemes have had to be deferred and others reduced in scope. However, key risks remain with the condition of the Anchorages and the Main Cable and these are being investigated. When the results from these investigations are known then the level of risk can be fully evaluated and the impact assessed on FETA's Capital Plan.
Not up to your usual standard, ELIZA. Have you been letting drunken first-years near your delicate code again?0 -
Mr. Max, long, I'd guess. Can't see Cameron campaigning for Out.0
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How many are good rebels and how many are bad rebels?malcolmg said:
Are they in Dave's 70,000 ground troopsLuckyguy1983 said:One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/0 -
Whatever Cameron gets, he'll say it's enough.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Max, long, I'd guess. Can't see Cameron campaigning for Out.
Whatever Cameron gets, Nigel Farage will say it's say it's not enough.0 -
Depends which pro-Assad website you read. Since you seem to read all of them, you should know what the Syrian state wants you to think about it ...Luckyguy1983 said:
Isn't anyone with a beard, a gun, and no ISIS bumper sticker in Dave's 70,000?malcolmg said:
Are they in Dave's 70,000 ground troopsLuckyguy1983 said:One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/0 -
I don't know. What's the Putin News Network (aka Russia Today) reporting?Luckyguy1983 said:
Isn't anyone with a beard, a gun, and no ISIS bumper sticker in Dave's 70,000?malcolmg said:
Are they in Dave's 70,000 ground troopsLuckyguy1983 said:One of the biggest 'rebel' groups in Syria wants to declare an um.. Islamic State.
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/largest-rebel-group-calls-for-an-islamic-state-in-syria/0 -
I can't abide the man, why do you ask?Pulpstar said:
What's your opinion on George Galloway ?blackburn63 said:
Thank you, it confirms my point that although I disagree with what Trump said it really is much ado about nothing.Wanderer said:
It's about 3 million so about 1%, generally very well integrated.blackburn63 said:
Genuine question: what % of US is muslim?Wanderer said:
The overwhelming majority of American Muslims are productive, law-abiding citizens. They are no more prone to barbarism than American atheists, Christians, Jews etc. But you know this perfectly well.DiversityIsOurGodNow said:
Well my advice to the Muslim community would be, "fit in or f*** off". And if our esteemed politicians had made that clear from the beginning, certain areas of our green and pleasant land wouldn't be overrun with barbarous religious savages.Wanderer said:What must Muslim Americans be thinking?
I'm trying to think what I would do if the leading candidate for Labour or Conservative leader said that people like me should be excluded from the country and their polling improved. Start packing my bags?
I don't see them causing an awful lot of bother.
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@NickPalmer
"Also just out of interest, where would other people go if they wanted to leave for some reason? "
Herself and I gave this a lot of thought a couple of years back when we seriously considered emigrating and we came up with a short list of two: The Netherlands and Portugal (somewhere around Coimbra not the Algarve). In the end though we decided that the best place on the planet for us was England.
That said, I have still not given up hope of persuading Herself that we should emigrate to Northumbria.
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Mr. Rabbit, I agree. And that's why Cameron has little chance of getting much.
Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised. Or perhaps not.0 -
I shall pass your sound advice on fiscal stringency to Mrs JackW who will no doubt proffer her considered opinion to me in a timely and fulsome fashion.MikeK said:
No, Old Man, I'm predicting nothing. Except perhaps, of a more than general tightening of the worlds purse strings.JackW said:
May we assume you are predicting a President Trump landslide to match your heady musings of 102 UKIP MP's.MikeK said:In this land of dwindling FREE SPEECH, both generally and on PB, I've been ordered by Mr. Smithson not to mention M****m, I**********a, I**S, I***m, on pain of banishment or being taken out by a Hit Man one windy evening.
Long live TRUMP. May he triumph and spit in every liberal and lefty eye.
Are you related to Roger ?
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He's a controversial character who has an issue with a sub 1% ethnic minority in our countryblackburn63 said:
I can't abide the man, why do you ask?Pulpstar said:
What's your opinion on George Galloway ?blackburn63 said:
Thank you, it confirms my point that although I disagree with what Trump said it really is much ado about nothing.Wanderer said:
It's about 3 million so about 1%, generally very well integrated.blackburn63 said:
Genuine question: what % of US is muslim?Wanderer said:
The overwhelming majority of American Muslims are productive, law-abiding citizens. They are no more prone to barbarism than American atheists, Christians, Jews etc. But you know this perfectly well.DiversityIsOurGodNow said:
Well my advice to the Muslim community would be, "fit in or f*** off". And if our esteemed politicians had made that clear from the beginning, certain areas of our green and pleasant land wouldn't be overrun with barbarous religious savages.Wanderer said:What must Muslim Americans be thinking?
I'm trying to think what I would do if the leading candidate for Labour or Conservative leader said that people like me should be excluded from the country and their polling improved. Start packing my bags?
I don't see them causing an awful lot of bother. 0 -
Any Dave position he said like this that he hasn't held on to without a different manifesto commitment in between.Pulpstar said:
Remember Dave always takes a cast iron position, no ifs, no buts.MaxPB said:So what are the chances that Cameron backs Leave and Osborne doesn't? AIUI the latter is absolutely 100% wedded to remaining in the EU while Dave is still not persuaded by the case for staying in at any cost.
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Split my time between SoCal and Umbria most likelyNickPalmer said:
Also just out of interest, where would other people go if they wanted to leave for some reason?0 -
F1: Ecclestone in late bid to win most blatant hypocrite of 2015 award:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35059767
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Jeez, American gun nuts are [redacted]
SkyNews
Gun Groups to stage fake shooting on campus that previously experienced a mass shooting
http://news.sky.com/story/1603371/gun-groups-to-stage-fake-shooting-at-campus0 -
I`ve backed Romney at 130/1 for nomination and 700/1 for president on basis that if Trump is still the frontrunner in May 2016 the Republican establishment will block him as nominee.It will not look right if they go someone who has already been a candidate against Trump.Romney did nothing in 2012 and would have at least a 50/50 chance against Hilary so I would expect the Republican establishment to persuade him to stand.If he said no Paul Ryan,Michael Bloomberg or Susanna Martinez might be alternative choices0
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But what he's asked for isn't much. It isn't anything in fact. So unless the EU decides to FORCE concessions on him, I don't see how he'll get anything worthwhile.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Rabbit, I agree. And that's why Cameron has little chance of getting much.
Perhaps I'll be pleasantly surprised. Or perhaps not.0 -
I'd like to live in Vancouver or Auckland. Only utter laziness prevents me from emigratingCharles said:
Split my time between SoCal and Umbria most likelyNickPalmer said:
Also just out of interest, where would other people go if they wanted to leave for some reason?. 0 -
Mr. Eagles, that's crazy.
Mr. 1983, doesn't Cameron want a veto (or comparable power/protection) for non-eurozone countries to prevent the eurozone gerrymandering the wider EU to its advantage?0 -
To my knowledge, he's asked for a statement to that effect with no legal weight whatever. Considering genuine legal provisions have been swept aside by the eurozone in recent years (to zero action by Cameron), I'm not sure what on earth he thinks a statement of intent will do.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, that's crazy.
Mr. 1983, doesn't Cameron want a veto (or comparable power/protection) for non-eurozone countries to prevent the eurozone gerrymandering the wider EU to its advantage?0 -
I think you've perfectly channeled Mitt Romney's mindset. Sitting out there somewhere - in one of his reported six houses - waiting for a lonely nation to turn its eyes to him.Metatron said:I`ve backed Romney at 130/1 for nomination and 700/1 for president on basis that if Trump is still the frontrunner in May 2016 the Republican establishment will block him as nominee.It will not look right if they go someone who has already been a candidate against Trump.Romney did nothing in 2012 and would have at least a 50/50 chance against Hilary so I would expect the Republican establishment to persuade him to stand.If he said no Paul Ryan,Michael Bloomberg or Susanna Martinez might be alternative choices
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To answer my own question, the poll is amongst Republican caucus and primary voters, so a self selected group of activists who are to the right of the US electorate. The 'independents' are more for Trump than the Republicans. I'm not sure what that actually means.logical_song said:
... and there's so may of them.Pulpstar said:
It's put clear red water between him and Ben Carson, so Trump is hoovering the right wing loon vote.Charles said:I haven't seen how anyone else on the Republican side has reacted
Are the percentage figures in the polls from registered Republicans or from US citizens generally?
"A new poll of Republican primary and caucus voters by Zogby Analytics
Trump leads among self-identified Republicans (33% to Rubio’s 16%, Carson’s 12%, Bush’s 8%, and Cruz’s 6%), but wallops everyone with 56% among independents (followed by Carson’s 15% and Cruz’s 9%)."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2015/12/09/zogby-analytics-trump-leads-by-25-points-over-nearest-rival/0 -
The reason for that MrK is that you have time and time again posted Twitter links that a simple googling would have revealed were compeltely false.MikeK said:In this land of dwindling FREE SPEECH, both generally and on PB, I've been ordered by Mr. Smithson not to mention M****m, I**********a, I**S, I***m, on pain of banishment or being taken out by a Hit Man one windy evening.
Long live TRUMP. May he triumph and spit in every liberal and lefty eye.
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He's not asked for a veto per se. Naturally I'm biased but it's clear he hasn't asked for much and will be happy not to get much. The ECJ will overrule anything that's not treaty based, and there will be no treaty.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, that's crazy.
Mr. 1983, doesn't Cameron want a veto (or comparable power/protection) for non-eurozone countries to prevent the eurozone gerrymandering the wider EU to its advantage?0 -
Mr. Dancer, what Cameron actually wants we can never know what he seems to have asked for is a promise, on Scouts' honour, that the interests of non-Euro countries within the EU will be respected. A promise that if given will last until the first conflict of interest and then an appeal to the ECJ will yield the result that it was a "Political Agreement" and so non-binding.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, that's crazy.
Mr. 1983, doesn't Cameron want a veto (or comparable power/protection) for non-eurozone countries to prevent the eurozone gerrymandering the wider EU to its advantage?
Let us be honest, Cameron's renegotiation has been a sham from the start.0
