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Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.

MikeSmithson said:

Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.

You should do a thread based on that.

MikeSmithson said:

Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.

I think you need to switch Con and Lab in that statement. Or change harder to easier.

CarlottaVance said:

flightpath01 said:

CarlottaVance said:

Scott_P said:

@PolhomeEditor: Alistair Carmichael is going to pursue his accusers to cover his legal costs, I'm told. "It'll be ballpark £150,000," says a Lib Dem source

I hope those Nats who cheered them on will be as generous after defeat as they were before....

If Carmichael goes after the money he will come a cropper.

He's said he will - I suspect he wont be standing in 2020......

I think that's absolutely right.

The question for the LibDems is whether they can find someone local and popular to take over from him. Orkney & Shetland had one of the the lowest vote shares for independence in the referendum, so the seat should be won by a unionist. And there is no - non-LibDem - unionist with any meaningful chance.

I'd reckon it (O&S) will be one of the few LibDem holds of 2020.

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

not_on_fire said:

I am genuinely curious how a US immigration officer would be supposed to identify a Muslim. if Trump's plan was implemented. If asked you could just say you decided to become an atheist yesterday.

Desecrate the Koran. Can't do it? Back on the plane buddy!

Would you agree with that as a policy?

chestnut said:

On the subject of women in politics, Theresa May is not too far away from becoming the longest serving Home Secretary in the history of the UK Parliament.

Viscount Sidmouth might have something to say about that

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

That was a proper and enjoyable PMQs.

Proper knockabout, checks odds on the 2020 election being Osborne v Angela Eagle

Request her as a runner on Betfair, might stick up some odds :P.

I will. Paddy Power are offering 4/5 (yes 4/5) on someone else other than Corbyn leading Labour at the GE.

My internet is being too slow to do anything. i suspect there is a crazy amount of arbitrage around Corbyn betting right now though.

I'm also asking Shadsy to put up his Labour leader at the next election market.

Goodo - Seeing as I'm already involved on Betfair laying Benn and Jarvis, some interest in other runners and riders for this will be welcome.

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

not_on_fire said:

I am genuinely curious how a US immigration officer would be supposed to identify a Muslim. if Trump's plan was implemented. If asked you could just say you decided to become an atheist yesterday.

Desecrate the Koran. Can't do it? Back on the plane buddy!

Well I'm an ex-Christian and there's no way I'd damage a Bible. I take the same view as Long Jogn Silver in Treasure Island. No good will come of it!

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

That was a proper and enjoyable PMQs.

Proper knockabout, checks odds on the 2020 election being Osborne v Angela Eagle

Request her as a runner on Betfair, might stick up some odds :P.

I will. Paddy Power are offering 4/5 (yes 4/5) on someone else other than Corbyn leading Labour at the GE.

My internet is being too slow to do anything. i suspect there is a crazy amount of arbitrage around Corbyn betting right now though.

I'm also asking Shadsy to put up his Labour leader at the next election market.

Goodo - Seeing as I'm already involved on Betfair laying Benn and Jarvis, some interest in other runners and riders for this will be welcome.

{X next leader} x {Corbyn to go before the election} x {X to stay as leader until election}

Could throw up some interesting options given the odds on the first two currently available.

Edit:"Paddy Power are offering 4/5 (yes 4/5) on someone else other than Corbyn leading Labour at the GE" - would they pay out tomorrow if Corbyn was toppled today? or hold your money till 2020?

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

AndyJS said:

Do you think it's wicked that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have refused to take any Muslim refugees from Syria and Iraq?

SouthamObserver said:

I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.

Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.

Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.

Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.

The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.

What a place!

I worry that some want Corbyn gone so much they will seize on any single good performance from a Labour figure to declare them the next potential leader. Benn. No, Eagle! IIRC, Kendall's first decent appearence sparked much the same in the pre-Corbyn era.

MikeSmithson said:

Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.

Wrong way around?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Report well worth reading on the impact of the TV debates

https://t.co/HeV041iXxh

Ugh, 60+ pages?

ALthough, already on page 7 I see the not unsurprising point that the campaign as a whole did not affect people's view of the candidates, although it increased exposure.

Pong said:

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

not_on_fire said:

I am genuinely curious how a US immigration officer would be supposed to identify a Muslim. if Trump's plan was implemented. If asked you could just say you decided to become an atheist yesterday.

Desecrate the Koran. Can't do it? Back on the plane buddy!

Would you agree with that as a policy?

In depth interviewing and intelligence-gathering on applicants for citizenship would be my preferred option. Immediate deportation if caught lying, no sob stories accepted.

@LahavHarkov: #BREAKING @realDonaldTrump planning visit to #TempleMount #AlAqsa https://t.co/FEPS37ycym

Full judgment for Carmichael out at last. Not happy reading for him. Amongst other things his response to the leaks inquiry is said to have been unimpressive, to have lacked candour and not to have amounted to cooperation. It goes on to say it was at best disingenuous, at worst evasive and self serving.
There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.

rcs1000 said:

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

AndyJS said:

Do you think it's wicked that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have refused to take any Muslim refugees from Syria and Iraq?

SouthamObserver said:

I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.

Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.

Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.

Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.

The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.

What a place!

Japan has serious form when it comes to making bad decisions. Read any WWII history and it makes you weep. For example, they were well aware the war was lost in early '43 - it was just incredibly hard for them to agree how to tell the Emperor. Took them a while to work through the ramifications of that.

MaxPB said:

rcs1000 said:

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

AndyJS said:

Do you think it's wicked that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have refused to take any Muslim refugees from Syria and Iraq?

SouthamObserver said:

I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.

Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.

Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.

Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.

The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.

What a place!

Their trade deficit is down to recent changes in energy policy. Without that they still have a surplus.

That's true, although even ex-energy their trade surplus has diminished.

I was just being facetious and pointing out that Japan has not, in general, been a model of how to run a capitalist economy over the last three decades.

Pro_Rata said:

Sort of on-topic: The history of political correctness in post-war Britain is one I can't qget my head around.

Return key hit too soon, then took too long to edit...

How the mechanics of societal conformance have changed in the post-war years is something I have pondered on a few times without really understanding it. How we flipped very quickly in the 80s from a right-wing patrician collectivist view of conformance (think Capt Mainwaring after the war, or one of those office cartoons that originated in the 50s - the 60s railed against it but didn't seem to really move it), to a left-wing individualist view of conformance, now re-named PC.

The switchover changed a lot of things for the better (not everything - e..g child social services have lurched from one horror to another) and was Labour's one great success of the 80s. This is why Labour politicians of a certain age cling to it like a comfort blanket and have passed it down, but then often seem to lose sight that the aim should be to increase human dignity - if PC does not do that then it is as nothing.

Also, the fact of collectivist right and individualistic left defining conformance - a good fit for the US concepts of conservatism and liberalism, but makes less sense from a British perspective..

williamglenn said:

rcs1000 said:

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

The population is in decline, too.

As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.

When I get back to the office I'll pull out the "ranking of GDP per capita at PPP" for Japan. My guess is that they'll have fallen from 2nd or 3rd in the world in 1990 to 15th or so today.

What would be the pros and cons of mulsim immigration to the UK do we think?

rcs1000 said:

williamglenn said:

rcs1000 said:

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

The population is in decline, too.

As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.

When I get back to the office I'll pull out the "ranking of GDP per capita at PPP" for Japan. My guess is that they'll have fallen from 2nd or 3rd in the world in 1990 to 15th or so today.

The IMF, World Bank and CIA have them at 28th, 26th and 29th respectively.

@philipjcowley: My timeline is full of references to The Eagle Has Landed -- all from people who've forgotten how it ends...

rcs1000 said:

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

AndyJS said:

Do you think it's wicked that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have refused to take any Muslim refugees from Syria and Iraq?

SouthamObserver said:

I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.

Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.

Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.

Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.

The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.

What a place!

What rubbish, saying that Japan has these economic troubles since it's crash of 1991 because it doesn't allow muslim immigrants, has only debased your opinion on economic maters to LD levels.

Japan is in that condition because of it's stubbornness to reform, they have the same party in government since the early 50's and they are recycling useless PM's.
Look at their latest great idea to ban the teaching of social sciences, humanities and law :

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-20/japan-dumbs-down-its-universities-at-the-wrong-time

Japan is an example of a failed democracy.

John_M said:

Casino_Royale said:

williamglenn said:

rcs1000 said:

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

The population is in decline, too.

As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.

Despite what was said on here by one or two posters the other day, a declining population is not necessarily catastrophic for a country nor is an expanding population necessary for continued economic success.

It creates challenges, sure, but these are not insurmountable.

Japan are leading the charge for robotics. Makes sense really - relying on endless population growth is an economic Ponzi scheme. We can learn from their experiences - plenty of other countries are about to tip over into declines (several already have).

Christopher Caldwell has written a fantastic book called "Reflections on the Revolution in Europe" which details the impact of immigration from Islamic countries.

I'd say it's worth a read for anyone wishing to profess an opinion on the subject

MikeSmithson said:

Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.

How about a female LibDem leader?

How do you unite the Labour party and cheer them up? Today the party’s MPs were cheering happily and laughing along at the jokes offered from their Despatch Box for the first time in months. And on Monday, they managed to have a cheerful meeting of the parliamentary Labour party. One thing that was missing from both sessions was Jeremy Corbyn.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/12/pmqs-angela-eagle-tries-to-cheer-up-the-labour-party/

Sandpit said:

Afternoon. Mr Carmichael survives, so do we know who will be paying the costs of those who brought the case against him?

He's said he's going to seek them from those who brought the challenge - £150,000 - the are personally liable.....unless the full judgment has said something different....

It wouldn't surprise me if Angela Merkel got the Nobel Peace Prize either. Same cadre of people.

The EU won it in 2012 for promoting peace over six decades (no, really)

Sandpit said:

Afternoon. Mr Carmichael survives, so do we know who will be paying the costs of those who brought the case against him?

Well Carmichael survives to embarrass the LD another day.
However there is no doubt that no matter who pays the legal costs, that the LD are going to lose their Shetlands seat in the next election, no matter who is their candidate, since this ruling will be used by the SNP to rail the locals against the LD instead of just Carmichael.

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Huzzah

@TIME: Angela Merkel is TIME’s 2015 Person of the Year #TIMEPOY http://ti.me/1OQjJwE

Hmmm

Meanwhile away from New York and back in Germany the AfD is on 16% in East Germany and 10% in Bavaria.

Is this one of those awards where as soon as you get it things starrt to go wrong ?

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/forsa-umfrage-afd-in-ostdeutschland-bei-16-prozent-13956322.html

Well Hitler was Time's man of the year in 1938.

Had his apotheosis in the years straight afterwards.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Huzzah

@TIME: Angela Merkel is TIME’s 2015 Person of the Year #TIMEPOY http://ti.me/1OQjJwE

Hmmm

Meanwhile away from New York and back in Germany the AfD is on 16% in East Germany and 10% in Bavaria.

Is this one of those awards where as soon as you get it things starrt to go wrong ?

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/forsa-umfrage-afd-in-ostdeutschland-bei-16-prozent-13956322.html

Well Hitler was Time's man of the year in 1938.

Had his apotheosis in the years straight afterwards.

it was his emigration policy that swung it.

Casino_Royale said:

It wouldn't surprise me if Angela Merkel got the Nobel Peace Prize either. Same cadre of people.

The EU won it in 2012 for promoting peace over six decades (no, really)

Obama in 2009!

'Fried chicken shops'? Did these really arise as a result of Muslim immigration? Really? And are they really that bad?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Huzzah

@TIME: Angela Merkel is TIME’s 2015 Person of the Year #TIMEPOY http://ti.me/1OQjJwE

Hmmm

Meanwhile away from New York and back in Germany the AfD is on 16% in East Germany and 10% in Bavaria.

Is this one of those awards where as soon as you get it things starrt to go wrong ?

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/forsa-umfrage-afd-in-ostdeutschland-bei-16-prozent-13956322.html

Well Hitler was Time's man of the year in 1938.

Had his apotheosis in the years straight afterwards.

it was his emigration policy that swung it.

He shows how dangerous an immigrant is when they take over power in the host country.

I know, look at Tony Blair.

Speedy said:

rcs1000 said:

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

AndyJS said:

Do you think it's wicked that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have refused to take any Muslim refugees from Syria and Iraq?

SouthamObserver said:

I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.

Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.

Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.

Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.

The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.

What a place!

What rubbish, saying that Japan has these economic troubles since it's crash of 1991 because it doesn't allow muslim immigrants, has only debased your opinion on economic maters to LD levels.

Japan is in that condition because of it's stubbornness to reform, they have the same party in government since the early 50's and they are recycling useless PM's.
Look at their latest great idea to ban the teaching of social sciences, humanities and law :

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-20/japan-dumbs-down-its-universities-at-the-wrong-time

Japan is an example of a failed democracy.

I was not making any comment on Japan allowing Muslims in or not. I was taking issue with the final line of the parent comment: "Japan what a country"

DavidL said:

Full judgment for Carmichael out at last. Not happy reading for him. Amongst other things his response to the leaks inquiry is said to have been unimpressive, to have lacked candour and not to have amounted to cooperation. It goes on to say it was at best disingenuous, at worst evasive and self serving.
There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.

Does it say anything about costs, or are those things decided later on?

Ukip candidate links Storm Desmond flooding to Syrian refugees

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ukip-candidate-links-storm-desmond-flooding-to-syrian-refugees-a3133286.html

John_M said:

The_Apocalypse said:

'Fried chicken shops'? Did these really arise as a result of Muslim immigration? Really? And are they really that bad?

I have no idea where the fried chicken thing is coming from. I hardly think KFC is the spearhead for jihad.

Agreed. KFC is American brand!

DiversityIsOurGodNow said:

Absolutely right. What fools they are to refuse to exchange their cultural heritage for Islamic ghettoes! Don't they know that hordes of hyper-religious illiterate tribesmen equals economic growth?

I was not commenting on Japan's immigration policies, I was taking issue with your comment "Japan what a country".

The truth is that Japan's government has ill served its people. Of all the Developed economies, it is hard to find a country that is less likely to perform well in the next 25 years:

In particular, Japan has an explosive combination of poor demographics and excessive (and worsening) government debt.

Those savings that Mrs Watanabe has in the bank are lent, via the Japanese banking system, to the Japanese government. All savings are merely a promise of others to do work for you in the future. They are a mechanism for the time transfer of work. And the Japanese state has promised that an ever diminishing number of workers is going to do ever increasing amounts of work for its retirees.

Every month the Japanese government must roll over more government bonds that it now collects in tax revenue.

Would anyone like to guess how this will end?

CarlottaVance said:

Ukip candidate links Storm Desmond flooding to Syrian refugees

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ukip-candidate-links-storm-desmond-flooding-to-syrian-refugees-a3133286.html

This guy, a founder member of UKIP, who stood for election said:
"Now, I am not religious in any way. But it seems funny that the so called refugees have been sent up north from the Syrian camps.

"Isn't it funny that as soon as they do. The floods start up that way. I wonder?????"

CarlottaVance said:

Ukip candidate links Storm Desmond flooding to Syrian refugees

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ukip-candidate-links-storm-desmond-flooding-to-syrian-refugees-a3133286.html

a bonkers UKIP councillor story! it's just like old times. aaah

CarlottaVance said:

Ukip candidate links Storm Desmond flooding to Syrian refugees

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ukip-candidate-links-storm-desmond-flooding-to-syrian-refugees-a3133286.html

What did say UKIP was full of mostly?

*innocent face*

I'm assuming gay Syrians who get married are being turned away at Dover?

CarlottaVance said:

@davidtorrence: SNP:"While he prevailed..on a strict interpretation of the law,it's much more doubtful he or his party will survive court of public opinion"

So the SNP is in favour of loose interpretations of the law?

Perhaps the SNP have some legal advice they can publish ?

CarlottaVance said:

Carnyx said:

DavidL said:

Full judgment for Carmichael out at last. Not happy reading for him. Amongst other things his response to the leaks inquiry is said to have been unimpressive, to have lacked candour and not to have amounted to cooperation. It goes on to say it was at best disingenuous, at worst evasive and self serving.
There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.

Does it say anything about costs, or are those things decided later on?

Didn't see anything on costs:

http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=9452fba6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

Indeed. I'm just wondering if there is a default option when the learned judges don't specify anything on costs.

Pulpstar said:

John_M said:

Casino_Royale said:

williamglenn said:

rcs1000 said:

Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl

I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.

The population is in decline, too.

As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.

Despite what was said on here by one or two posters the other day, a declining population is not necessarily catastrophic for a country nor is an expanding population necessary for continued economic success.

It creates challenges, sure, but these are not insurmountable.

Japan are leading the charge for robotics. Makes sense really - relying on endless population growth is an economic Ponzi scheme. We can learn from their experiences - plenty of other countries are about to tip over into declines (several already have).

While that is true, an ever diminishing number of workers is a problem too.

In the case of Japan, the government has promised that the workers of tomorrow will provide health care, and feed and clothe the retirees. If the ratio between workers and retirees is ever worsening you will either see: (a) the government massively reducing what it has promised the old; or (b) a revolt by the workers, who object to an ever larger share of their paypacket being spent on retirees.

Let's go back 65 years to 1950. Around 2.7 million Japanese were born in that year. So, this year 2.7 million Japanese will reach retirement age.

This year, just one million (or maybe a little fewer) Japanese will be born.

Those one million will be supporting an awful lot of retirees.