Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.
Sort of on-topic: The history of political correctness in post-war Britain is one I can't qget my head around.
Basically everything non-whites say and think is correct (even when it isn't) because they are oppressed (even when they aren't), and agreeing with them shows all of your trendy mates how open minded and virtuous you are (even if you're not).
Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.
Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.
I think you need to switch Con and Lab in that statement. Or change harder to easier.
I am genuinely curious how a US immigration officer would be supposed to identify a Muslim. if Trump's plan was implemented. If asked you could just say you decided to become an atheist yesterday.
Desecrate the Koran. Can't do it? Back on the plane buddy!
@PolhomeEditor: Alistair Carmichael is going to pursue his accusers to cover his legal costs, I'm told. "It'll be ballpark £150,000," says a Lib Dem source
I hope those Nats who cheered them on will be as generous after defeat as they were before....
If Carmichael goes after the money he will come a cropper.
He's said he will - I suspect he wont be standing in 2020......
I think that's absolutely right.
The question for the LibDems is whether they can find someone local and popular to take over from him. Orkney & Shetland had one of the the lowest vote shares for independence in the referendum, so the seat should be won by a unionist. And there is no - non-LibDem - unionist with any meaningful chance.
I'd reckon it (O&S) will be one of the few LibDem holds of 2020.
On the subject of women in politics, Theresa May is not too far away from becoming the longest serving Home Secretary in the history of the UK Parliament.
I am genuinely curious how a US immigration officer would be supposed to identify a Muslim. if Trump's plan was implemented. If asked you could just say you decided to become an atheist yesterday.
Desecrate the Koran. Can't do it? Back on the plane buddy!
On the subject of women in politics, Theresa May is not too far away from becoming the longest serving Home Secretary in the history of the UK Parliament.
Viscount Sidmouth might have something to say about that
Well, Trump does have a point. Only a tiny minority of Muslims are fanatical head-choppers, but why take the risk when the only rewards are more illegal taxi drivers, more fried chicken shops and the ghettoisation of our towns and cities?
Barring someone from immigrating solely on the basis of their religion is unjust.
Barring someone from immigrating from failed States, however, is quite reasonable in my opinion.
@PolhomeEditor: Alistair Carmichael is going to pursue his accusers to cover his legal costs, I'm told. "It'll be ballpark £150,000," says a Lib Dem source
I hope those Nats who cheered them on will be as generous after defeat as they were before....
If Carmichael goes after the money he will come a cropper.
He's said he will - I suspect he wont be standing in 2020......
I should think he'd have gone already if not for the need to not lose the seat right now. The question is if that undermines their chances of holding any scottish seats, and if it is in any case unsuccessful in preserving the seat for the LDs beyond 2020.
Personally they look pretty dead in a lot of places. No rise nationally from the low single digits, and will the SNP surge that dented the LD stronghold of Orkney go away in 2020? Well if might have before, it seems hard to see how it would now, with this to fire them up against the local LD, even if it is not Carmichael.
Well, Trump does have a point. Only a tiny minority of Muslims are fanatical head-choppers, but why take the risk when the only rewards are more illegal taxi drivers, more fried chicken shops and the ghettoisation of our towns and cities?
Barring someone from immigrating solely on the basis of their religion is unjust.
Barring someone from immigrating from failed States, however, is quite reasonable in my opinion.
At the least more reasonable to raise as an option.
On the subject of women in politics, Theresa May is not too far away from becoming the longest serving Home Secretary in the history of the UK Parliament.
Viscount Sidmouth might have something to say about that
I am genuinely curious how a US immigration officer would be supposed to identify a Muslim. if Trump's plan was implemented. If asked you could just say you decided to become an atheist yesterday.
Desecrate the Koran. Can't do it? Back on the plane buddy!
Well I'm an ex-Christian and there's no way I'd damage a Bible. I take the same view as Long Jogn Silver in Treasure Island. No good will come of it!
Wanting to bar Trump because the shouty teenagers on twitter don't like his opinions. I don't agree with him but I think Jezza is a far more serious risk to the UK.
Has Trump demanded that apostates are beheaded? Or did I miss that? TBF, neither has Jezza ... yet.
For stupid people, free speech means that only people who agree with them can have it. For them, Gyppophobia is good (Note the double 'p', Mr Cole), but Islamophobia is a hanging offence. A sort of Top Trumps game.
I remember listening to the radio last year with an old work colleague - a devout Muslim. The presenter was explaining the furore over a Ukip councillor supporting an end to immigration and a ban on homosexuality or something. My ex-colleague turned to me and said "Well, I support 50% of that."
As do most of his devout Muslim friends.
So how do homophobia and Isamophobia rank?
It says much for the agility of the human mind that people can be feminist, pro-LGBT rights and so forth AND address gender segregated meetings of people who think it's not the end of the world to throw gay people off buildings.
While not addressing the specific example you give, I think you are dead on with the agility of the human mind. One issue with party fanatics of all stripes is they attempt to stick to coherent, rigid ideologies where they can, but quite often people hold contradcitory views which struggle to fit within those ideologies, and go through amazing contortions to show how it is in fact somehow consistent, whereas normal people who don't pigeonhole themselves don't usually need to reflect how some of their views are inconsistent and contradict each other, and so don't get self righeous and angry about defending them.
Proper knockabout, checks odds on the 2020 election being Osborne v Angela Eagle
Request her as a runner on Betfair, might stick up some odds :P.
I will. Paddy Power are offering 4/5 (yes 4/5) on someone else other than Corbyn leading Labour at the GE.
My internet is being too slow to do anything. i suspect there is a crazy amount of arbitrage around Corbyn betting right now though.
I'm also asking Shadsy to put up his Labour leader at the next election market.
Goodo - Seeing as I'm already involved on Betfair laying Benn and Jarvis, some interest in other runners and riders for this will be welcome.
{X next leader} x {Corbyn to go before the election} x {X to stay as leader until election}
Could throw up some interesting options given the odds on the first two currently available.
Edit:"Paddy Power are offering 4/5 (yes 4/5) on someone else other than Corbyn leading Labour at the GE" - would they pay out tomorrow if Corbyn was toppled today? or hold your money till 2020?
I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.
Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.
Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!
Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.
Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.
The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.
I am genuinely curious how a US immigration officer would be supposed to identify a Muslim. if Trump's plan was implemented. If asked you could just say you decided to become an atheist yesterday.
Desecrate the Koran. Can't do it? Back on the plane buddy!
Well I'm an ex-Christian and there's no way I'd damage a Bible. I take the same view as Long Jogn Silver in Treasure Island. No good will come of it!
I worry that some want Corbyn gone so much they will seize on any single good performance from a Labour figure to declare them the next potential leader. Benn. No, Eagle! IIRC, Kendall's first decent appearence sparked much the same in the pre-Corbyn era.
I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.
Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.
Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!
Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.
Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.
The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.
What a place!
Their trade deficit is down to recent changes in energy policy. Without that they still have a surplus.
Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.
I worry that some want Corbyn gone so much they will seize on any single good performance from a Labour figure to declare them the next potential leader. Benn. No, Eagle! IIRC, Kendall's first decent appearence sparked much the same in the pre-Corbyn era.
When they come down from this high, the crash will be even deeper when they realise Jez is still in post, and likely to remain so
ALthough, already on page 7 I see the not unsurprising point that the campaign as a whole did not affect people's view of the candidates, although it increased exposure.
I am genuinely curious how a US immigration officer would be supposed to identify a Muslim. if Trump's plan was implemented. If asked you could just say you decided to become an atheist yesterday.
Desecrate the Koran. Can't do it? Back on the plane buddy!
Would you agree with that as a policy?
In depth interviewing and intelligence-gathering on applicants for citizenship would be my preferred option. Immediate deportation if caught lying, no sob stories accepted.
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
The population is in decline, too.
As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.
Full judgment for Carmichael out at last. Not happy reading for him. Amongst other things his response to the leaks inquiry is said to have been unimpressive, to have lacked candour and not to have amounted to cooperation. It goes on to say it was at best disingenuous, at worst evasive and self serving. There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.
I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.
Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.
Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!
Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.
Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.
The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.
What a place!
Japan has serious form when it comes to making bad decisions. Read any WWII history and it makes you weep. For example, they were well aware the war was lost in early '43 - it was just incredibly hard for them to agree how to tell the Emperor. Took them a while to work through the ramifications of that.
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
The population is in decline, too.
As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.
Despite what was said on here by one or two posters the other day, a declining population is not necessarily catastrophic for a country nor is an expanding population necessary for continued economic success.
It creates challenges, sure, but these are not insurmountable.
I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.
Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.
Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!
Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.
Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.
The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.
What a place!
Their trade deficit is down to recent changes in energy policy. Without that they still have a surplus.
That's true, although even ex-energy their trade surplus has diminished.
I was just being facetious and pointing out that Japan has not, in general, been a model of how to run a capitalist economy over the last three decades.
I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.
Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.
Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!
Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.
Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.
The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.
What a place!
Absolutely right. What fools they are to refuse to exchange their cultural heritage for Islamic ghettoes! Don't they know that hordes of hyper-religious illiterate tribesmen equals economic growth?
Sort of on-topic: The history of political correctness in post-war Britain is one I can't qget my head around.
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How the mechanics of societal conformance have changed in the post-war years is something I have pondered on a few times without really understanding it. How we flipped very quickly in the 80s from a right-wing patrician collectivist view of conformance (think Capt Mainwaring after the war, or one of those office cartoons that originated in the 50s - the 60s railed against it but didn't seem to really move it), to a left-wing individualist view of conformance, now re-named PC.
The switchover changed a lot of things for the better (not everything - e..g child social services have lurched from one horror to another) and was Labour's one great success of the 80s. This is why Labour politicians of a certain age cling to it like a comfort blanket and have passed it down, but then often seem to lose sight that the aim should be to increase human dignity - if PC does not do that then it is as nothing.
Also, the fact of collectivist right and individualistic left defining conformance - a good fit for the US concepts of conservatism and liberalism, but makes less sense from a British perspective..
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
The population is in decline, too.
As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.
Despite what was said on here by one or two posters the other day, a declining population is not necessarily catastrophic for a country nor is an expanding population necessary for continued economic success.
It creates challenges, sure, but these are not insurmountable.
Japan are leading the charge for robotics. Makes sense really - relying on endless population growth is an economic Ponzi scheme. We can learn from their experiences - plenty of other countries are about to tip over into declines (several already have).
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
The population is in decline, too.
As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.
When I get back to the office I'll pull out the "ranking of GDP per capita at PPP" for Japan. My guess is that they'll have fallen from 2nd or 3rd in the world in 1990 to 15th or so today.
@blairmcdougall: Here's what Parliament was told yesterday and what Radio Scotland listeners were told this morning? #Forthroadbridge https://t.co/S37rpTjG5s
The first line is the one that @scotslass was spinning here the other day.
The bar on poster speculation notwithstanding, is anyone running a book on which of the 56 55 54 53 they might be..?
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
The population is in decline, too.
As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.
When I get back to the office I'll pull out the "ranking of GDP per capita at PPP" for Japan. My guess is that they'll have fallen from 2nd or 3rd in the world in 1990 to 15th or so today.
The IMF, World Bank and CIA have them at 28th, 26th and 29th respectively.
Full judgment for Carmichael out at last. Not happy reading for him. Amongst other things his response to the leaks inquiry is said to have been unimpressive, to have lacked candour and not to have amounted to cooperation. It goes on to say it was at best disingenuous, at worst evasive and self serving. There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.
I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.
Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.
Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!
Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.
Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.
The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.
What a place!
What rubbish, saying that Japan has these economic troubles since it's crash of 1991 because it doesn't allow muslim immigrants, has only debased your opinion on economic maters to LD levels.
Japan is in that condition because of it's stubbornness to reform, they have the same party in government since the early 50's and they are recycling useless PM's. Look at their latest great idea to ban the teaching of social sciences, humanities and law :
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
The population is in decline, too.
As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.
When I get back to the office I'll pull out the "ranking of GDP per capita at PPP" for Japan. My guess is that they'll have fallen from 2nd or 3rd in the world in 1990 to 15th or so today.
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
The population is in decline, too.
As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.
Despite what was said on here by one or two posters the other day, a declining population is not necessarily catastrophic for a country nor is an expanding population necessary for continued economic success.
It creates challenges, sure, but these are not insurmountable.
Japan are leading the charge for robotics. Makes sense really - relying on endless population growth is an economic Ponzi scheme. We can learn from their experiences - plenty of other countries are about to tip over into declines (several already have).
What would be the pros and cons of mulsim immigration to the UK do we think?
There are no pros. As I already stated, we have enough ghettoes, illegal taxi drivers and fried chicken shops already. Skilled immigrants should be preferentially selected from Judaeo-Christian cultures, and unskilled Muslim immigration stopped completely.
Christopher Caldwell has written a fantastic book called "Reflections on the Revolution in Europe" which details the impact of immigration from Islamic countries.
I'd say it's worth a read for anyone wishing to profess an opinion on the subject
Afternoon. Mr Carmichael survives, so do we know who will be paying the costs of those who brought the case against him?
Judging by the ruling I'd expect Carmichael to have to bear a fair proportion of his own costs.
But those who brought the case against him will have their own costs to pay, on top of whatever proportion of Carmichael's costs are awarded against them.
To rephrase slightly, who is underwriting the costs of these four apparently random petitioners from the Highlands?
Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.
Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.
How do you unite the Labour party and cheer them up? Today the party’s MPs were cheering happily and laughing along at the jokes offered from their Despatch Box for the first time in months. And on Monday, they managed to have a cheerful meeting of the parliamentary Labour party. One thing that was missing from both sessions was Jeremy Corbyn.
Afternoon. Mr Carmichael survives, so do we know who will be paying the costs of those who brought the case against him?
He's said he's going to seek them from those who brought the challenge - £150,000 - the are personally liable.....unless the full judgment has said something different....
Afternoon. Mr Carmichael survives, so do we know who will be paying the costs of those who brought the case against him?
Judging by the ruling I'd expect Carmichael to have to bear a fair proportion of his own costs.
But those who brought the case against him will have their own costs to pay, on top of whatever proportion of Carmichael's costs are awarded against them.
To rephrase slightly, who is underwriting the costs of these four apparently random petitioners from the Highlands?
Afternoon. Mr Carmichael survives, so do we know who will be paying the costs of those who brought the case against him?
Well Carmichael survives to embarrass the LD another day. However there is no doubt that no matter who pays the legal costs, that the LD are going to lose their Shetlands seat in the next election, no matter who is their candidate, since this ruling will be used by the SNP to rail the locals against the LD instead of just Carmichael.
Only problem for Ms Eagle is that Labour has got misogyny in its DNA. It is much harder to envisage a female CON leader than a female LAB one. Look at the way Cooper and Kendall were treated during the leadership contest.
How about a female LibDem leader?
That would be a hard task, trying to keep one eye on the party, and the other on Rennard.
Afternoon. Mr Carmichael survives, so do we know who will be paying the costs of those who brought the case against him?
Well Carmichael survives to embarrass the LD another day. However there is no doubt that no matter who pays the legal costs, that the LD are going to lose their Shetlands seat in the next election, no matter who is their candidate, since this ruling will be used by the SNP to rail the locals against the LD instead of just Carmichael.
Not so sure about that - If the result of the Indie ref is anything to go by, it’s that Orkney and Shetland are not particularly sympathetic to the aims of the SNP.
What would be the pros and cons of mulsim immigration to the UK do we think?
There are no pros. As I already stated, we have enough ghettoes, illegal taxi drivers and fried chicken shops already. Skilled immigrants should be preferentially selected from Judaeo-Christian cultures, and unskilled Muslim immigration stopped completely.
The only argument that vaguely convinces me is that it is payback for the evil caused by the British Empire... it doesn't actually convince me at all really, but why else would we invite the kind of trouble we are now battling?
As always, I must say I don't think it is necessarily the fault of Islam or individual muslims, the same would be happening if millions of Christians started dominating towns and Cities in Islamic countries; you cant have a society with two major religions living side by side without tension, violence etc
The Trump petition is approaching 150,000 signatures - thats +110,000 in 7 hours.....so Parliament will have to consider debating it - but Osborne, while criticising Trump was clear debate better than barring.....
That is worth looking at, millions of people agree with Trump. I don't agree with him but what has happened is Ukip's detractors have been given an opportunity to beat us up.
I was invited to speak at a Ukip meeting recently, I made the point that there is no reason that Ukip shouldn't appeal to ethnic minorities, one of my most enthusiastic campaigners was a Sikh gentleman. There is no point pretending that the party doesn't have an image problem and a % of supporters with questionable views, I hate the expression "rebranding" but our growth has clearly come at a price.
I think there is a hell of a lot of difference between an average voter - UKIP or not - instinctively feeling that all Moslems should be barred from entering a country and a person seeking office thinking it. The former are leading their lives, dipping in and out of what is happening here and elsewhere, and when they do dip what they read and watch are stories about violence perpetrated by Moslem terrorists. That understandably worries millions of people who do not have the time or the temperament to look deeply into context, to think through probabilities or to consider legalities. If you are running for President, however, you do have a responsibility to do all that. UKIP and other voters thinking what they do are not wicked or racist, they are extremely concerned. People like Trump stoking the fires, though, are another kettle completely. They are wicked.
Japan too, in fact Japan has essentially been following Trump's policy for ages.
Japan. Now there's a nation that puts their long-term self interest over the "feelings" of some third-world religious primitive. What a place!
Japan GDP 1997 Y524trl Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.
Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.
The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.
What a place!
What rubbish, saying that Japan has these economic troubles since it's crash of 1991 because it doesn't allow muslim immigrants, has only debased your opinion on economic maters to LD levels.
Japan is in that condition because of it's stubbornness to reform, they have the same party in government since the early 50's and they are recycling useless PM's. Look at their latest great idea to ban the teaching of social sciences, humanities and law :
Full judgment for Carmichael out at last. Not happy reading for him. Amongst other things his response to the leaks inquiry is said to have been unimpressive, to have lacked candour and not to have amounted to cooperation. It goes on to say it was at best disingenuous, at worst evasive and self serving. There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.
Does it say anything about costs, or are those things decided later on?
Full judgment for Carmichael out at last. Not happy reading for him. Amongst other things his response to the leaks inquiry is said to have been unimpressive, to have lacked candour and not to have amounted to cooperation. It goes on to say it was at best disingenuous, at worst evasive and self serving. There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.
Does it say anything about costs, or are those things decided later on?
Transport minister Derek Mackay has admitted that work cancelled on the Forth Road Bridge in 2010 would have replaced the faulty section that caused its closure.
Mr Mackay said that the replacement of the cracked section was originally part of work the Forth Estuary Transport Authority (FETA) intended to carry out on the bridge in 2010. However, the work was rescoped after concerns that it could result in a long closure of the bridge.
Absolutely right. What fools they are to refuse to exchange their cultural heritage for Islamic ghettoes! Don't they know that hordes of hyper-religious illiterate tribesmen equals economic growth?
I was not commenting on Japan's immigration policies, I was taking issue with your comment "Japan what a country".
The truth is that Japan's government has ill served its people. Of all the Developed economies, it is hard to find a country that is less likely to perform well in the next 25 years:
In particular, Japan has an explosive combination of poor demographics and excessive (and worsening) government debt.
Those savings that Mrs Watanabe has in the bank are lent, via the Japanese banking system, to the Japanese government. All savings are merely a promise of others to do work for you in the future. They are a mechanism for the time transfer of work. And the Japanese state has promised that an ever diminishing number of workers is going to do ever increasing amounts of work for its retirees.
Every month the Japanese government must roll over more government bonds that it now collects in tax revenue.
That really is pathetic, I saw it the other day. It was a poor attempt at humour but for it to make the press shows what sort of a ridiculous society we've become.
I've no idea why people continually pretend to be outraged over the most trivial things, get a life ffs and worry about something serious happening.
This guy, a founder member of UKIP, who stood for election said: "Now, I am not religious in any way. But it seems funny that the so called refugees have been sent up north from the Syrian camps.
"Isn't it funny that as soon as they do. The floods start up that way. I wonder?????"
Christopher Caldwell has written a fantastic book called "Reflections on the Revolution in Europe" which details the impact of immigration from Islamic countries.
I'd say it's worth a read for anyone wishing to profess an opinion on the subject
@davidtorrence: SNP:"While he prevailed..on a strict interpretation of the law,it's much more doubtful he or his party will survive court of public opinion"
So the SNP is in favour of loose interpretations of the law?
@davidtorrence: SNP:"While he prevailed..on a strict interpretation of the law,it's much more doubtful he or his party will survive court of public opinion"
So the SNP is in favour of loose interpretations of the law?
Perhaps the SNP have some legal advice they can publish ?
Life isn't just about money. Japan is rich enough to withstand a sluggish economic performance in return for making its own decisions on immigration policy.
Absolutely right. What fools they are to refuse to exchange their cultural heritage for Islamic ghettoes! Don't they know that hordes of hyper-religious illiterate tribesmen equals economic growth?
I was not commenting on Japan's immigration policies, I was taking issue with your comment "Japan what a country".
The truth is that Japan's government has ill served its people. Of all the Developed economies, it is hard to find a country that is less likely to perform well in the next 25 years:
In particular, Japan has an explosive combination of poor demographics and excessive (and worsening) government debt.
Those savings that Mrs Watanabe has in the bank are lent, via the Japanese banking system, to the Japanese government. All savings are merely a promise of others to do work for you in the future. They are a mechanism for the time transfer of work. And the Japanese state has promised that an ever diminishing number of workers is going to do ever increasing amounts of work for its retirees.
Every month the Japanese government must roll over more government bonds that it now collects in tax revenue.
Full judgment for Carmichael out at last. Not happy reading for him. Amongst other things his response to the leaks inquiry is said to have been unimpressive, to have lacked candour and not to have amounted to cooperation. It goes on to say it was at best disingenuous, at worst evasive and self serving. There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.
Does it say anything about costs, or are those things decided later on?
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
The population is in decline, too.
As population is the multiplier in the GDP figures the two may just be related. In per-capita purchasing power terms Japan is still very rich by any standards.
Despite what was said on here by one or two posters the other day, a declining population is not necessarily catastrophic for a country nor is an expanding population necessary for continued economic success.
It creates challenges, sure, but these are not insurmountable.
Japan are leading the charge for robotics. Makes sense really - relying on endless population growth is an economic Ponzi scheme. We can learn from their experiences - plenty of other countries are about to tip over into declines (several already have).
While that is true, an ever diminishing number of workers is a problem too.
In the case of Japan, the government has promised that the workers of tomorrow will provide health care, and feed and clothe the retirees. If the ratio between workers and retirees is ever worsening you will either see: (a) the government massively reducing what it has promised the old; or (b) a revolt by the workers, who object to an ever larger share of their paypacket being spent on retirees.
Let's go back 65 years to 1950. Around 2.7 million Japanese were born in that year. So, this year 2.7 million Japanese will reach retirement age.
This year, just one million (or maybe a little fewer) Japanese will be born.
Those one million will be supporting an awful lot of retirees.
I didn't see PMQs, but by all accounts Angela Eagle came over very well. That doesn't surprise me - both she and her sister have been quite impressive over the last few months, in very difficult circumstances. It's a useful reminder that Labour isn't as devoid of talent as the leadership contest gave one to understand. Quite how they managed to end up with such a poor line-up against Corbyn is hard to fathom.
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The question for the LibDems is whether they can find someone local and popular to take over from him. Orkney & Shetland had one of the the lowest vote shares for independence in the referendum, so the seat should be won by a unionist. And there is no - non-LibDem - unionist with any meaningful chance.
I'd reckon it (O&S) will be one of the few LibDem holds of 2020.
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Personally they look pretty dead in a lot of places. No rise nationally from the low single digits, and will the SNP surge that dented the LD stronghold of Orkney go away in 2020? Well if might have before, it seems hard to see how it would now, with this to fire them up against the local LD, even if it is not Carmichael. At the least more reasonable to raise as an option.
She'll have the post war lead next summer.
Could throw up some interesting options given the odds on the first two currently available.
Edit:"Paddy Power are offering 4/5 (yes 4/5) on someone else other than Corbyn leading Labour at the GE" - would they pay out tomorrow if Corbyn was toppled today? or hold your money till 2020?
Japan GDP 2015 Y501trl
I'm struggling to find many other countries which have seen GDP decline in absolute, non inflation adjusted, dollars or Euros or Yen over the last 18 years.
Furthermore, Japanese government debt to GDP over the same period has gone from 86% to 252%.
Japan used to run a large trade surplus. It now runs a large deficit.
The population is in decline, too. A moribund birth rate has meant that the ratio of worker to retirees is plummeting. In 1990 there were more than 5 workers for each retiree. There are now barely more than 2.
What a place!
ALthough, already on page 7 I see the not unsurprising point that the campaign as a whole did not affect people's view of the candidates, although it increased exposure.
There are some interesting and telling observations about the prevalence of leaks in UK political life and the lack of moral obloquy arising from the practice. This seems to have influenced their view that this act did not relate to his own personal character. I think it has been a very close call for him.
It creates challenges, sure, but these are not insurmountable.
I was just being facetious and pointing out that Japan has not, in general, been a model of how to run a capitalist economy over the last three decades.
How the mechanics of societal conformance have changed in the post-war years is something I have pondered on a few times without really understanding it. How we flipped very quickly in the 80s from a right-wing patrician collectivist view of conformance (think Capt Mainwaring after the war, or one of those office cartoons that originated in the 50s - the 60s railed against it but didn't seem to really move it), to a left-wing individualist view of conformance, now re-named PC.
The switchover changed a lot of things for the better (not everything - e..g child social services have lurched from one horror to another) and was Labour's one great success of the 80s. This is why Labour politicians of a certain age cling to it like a comfort blanket and have passed it down, but then often seem to lose sight that the aim should be to increase human dignity - if PC does not do that then it is as nothing.
Also, the fact of collectivist right and individualistic left defining conformance - a good fit for the US concepts of conservatism and liberalism, but makes less sense from a British perspective..
The first line is the one that @scotslass was spinning here the other day.
The bar on poster speculation notwithstanding, is anyone running a book on which of the
56 55 5453 they might be..?Japan is in that condition because of it's stubbornness to reform, they have the same party in government since the early 50's and they are recycling useless PM's.
Look at their latest great idea to ban the teaching of social sciences, humanities and law :
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-20/japan-dumbs-down-its-universities-at-the-wrong-time
Japan is an example of a failed democracy.
Japan between 26th and 29th depending on which of three measures are used. There's a lot of very small countries at the top of the list though - Luxembourg, Singapore, HK, Macau, Bermuda, San Marino etc.
I'd say it's worth a read for anyone wishing to profess an opinion on the subject
To rephrase slightly, who is underwriting the costs of these four apparently random petitioners from the Highlands?
The EU won it in 2012 for promoting peace over six decades (no, really)
However there is no doubt that no matter who pays the legal costs, that the LD are going to lose their Shetlands seat in the next election, no matter who is their candidate, since this ruling will be used by the SNP to rail the locals against the LD instead of just Carmichael.
Meanwhile away from New York and back in Germany the AfD is on 16% in East Germany and 10% in Bavaria.
Is this one of those awards where as soon as you get it things starrt to go wrong ?
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/forsa-umfrage-afd-in-ostdeutschland-bei-16-prozent-13956322.html
Had his apotheosis in the years straight afterwards.
As always, I must say I don't think it is necessarily the fault of Islam or individual muslims, the same would be happening if millions of Christians started dominating towns and Cities in Islamic countries; you cant have a society with two major religions living side by side without tension, violence etc
I was invited to speak at a Ukip meeting recently, I made the point that there is no reason that Ukip shouldn't appeal to ethnic minorities, one of my most enthusiastic campaigners was a Sikh gentleman. There is no point pretending that the party doesn't have an image problem and a % of supporters with questionable views, I hate the expression "rebranding" but our growth has clearly come at a price.
Did we lose a war?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ukip-candidate-links-storm-desmond-flooding-to-syrian-refugees-a3133286.html
http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=9452fba6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/14133397.Transport_minister__cancelled_2010_Forth_Road_Bridge_works__would_have_replaced_faulty_section_/?ref=rss
Transport minister Derek Mackay has admitted that work cancelled on the Forth Road Bridge in 2010 would have replaced the faulty section that caused its closure.
Mr Mackay said that the replacement of the cracked section was originally part of work the Forth Estuary Transport Authority (FETA) intended to carry out on the bridge in 2010. However, the work was rescoped after concerns that it could result in a long closure of the bridge.
The truth is that Japan's government has ill served its people. Of all the Developed economies, it is hard to find a country that is less likely to perform well in the next 25 years:
In particular, Japan has an explosive combination of poor demographics and excessive (and worsening) government debt.
Those savings that Mrs Watanabe has in the bank are lent, via the Japanese banking system, to the Japanese government. All savings are merely a promise of others to do work for you in the future. They are a mechanism for the time transfer of work. And the Japanese state has promised that an ever diminishing number of workers is going to do ever increasing amounts of work for its retirees.
Every month the Japanese government must roll over more government bonds that it now collects in tax revenue.
Would anyone like to guess how this will end?
I've no idea why people continually pretend to be outraged over the most trivial things, get a life ffs and worry about something serious happening.
"Now, I am not religious in any way. But it seems funny that the so called refugees have been sent up north from the Syrian camps.
"Isn't it funny that as soon as they do. The floods start up that way. I wonder?????"
They are a front for Jihad.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428146/more-than-few-islamic-extremists
*innocent face*
I'm assuming gay Syrians who get married are being turned away at Dover?
So the SNP is in favour of loose interpretations of the law?
In the case of Japan, the government has promised that the workers of tomorrow will provide health care, and feed and clothe the retirees. If the ratio between workers and retirees is ever worsening you will either see: (a) the government massively reducing what it has promised the old; or (b) a revolt by the workers, who object to an ever larger share of their paypacket being spent on retirees.
Let's go back 65 years to 1950. Around 2.7 million Japanese were born in that year. So, this year 2.7 million Japanese will reach retirement age.
This year, just one million (or maybe a little fewer) Japanese will be born.
Those one million will be supporting an awful lot of retirees.