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That is rater simplistic particularly in relation to 1978/1979 . Throughout 1978 Callaghan had very substantially better approval ratings than Thatcher The winter of discontent hit his figures very badly in January 1979 but had recovered quite a lot by the end of March . If your theory were correct then Callaghan would have won an autumn 1978 GE easily .Bond_James_Bond said:This post is kinda what I was on about a week or two back when I suggested that GEs are usually won by whichever party, to a thoughtful person, most obviously has the best leader.
Thatcher vs Callaghan
Thatcher vs Foot
Thatcher vs Kinnochio
Major versus Kinnochio
Blair versus Major
Blair versus Hague
Blair versus Howard
Cameron versus Brown
Cameron versus Miliband?
I don't mean the winner is whoever's leader is more popular. The popularity rating includes the views of people who mostly aren't thoughtful. I mean the winner is whoever an honest and intelligent person would think the better leader.
On that basis, it seems obvious that Miliband won't win in 2015, although as in 2010, this isn't to say that Cameron therefore will.
It doesn't work well outside GEs. Every Scottish politician is necessarily a nonentity or a buffoon, for example, so choosing between Salmond and one of the others (I can't name any others) is a mug's game. It does work quite well for assessing Salmond's chances versus Westminster, though. Will Scotland get independence? Clearly not, if he has to get it past Cameron.
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Former Glasgow MP Sarwar is a step closer to become Governor of Punjab. The Pakistani government has sent the summary report to the President for approval.
During his UK political career he was commonly known as Mohammed Sarwar. In Pakistan he is called Chaudhry Muhammad Sarwar.
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Very off-topic, but of interest to punters...
Betfair have cut commission to half a percent on their football asian handicaps.
It seems someone has knocked some sense into betfair, finally.0 -
One of my favourite "Desolate" places is Bowland,and of course it is possibly the best Fracking field in the UK. Large tracts are owned by the Duke,already one of Britains richest men,somehow,I think he will prefer his land stays as a shooting estate.
I am a big fan of the Duke,and have had a few meetings with him,and always found him very reasonable,I dislike the ramblers and their long campaigns against him.
To all you PBers,why is it called Bowland,I think I know the answer.0 -
I thought it was common historical knowledge that he would have won had he called an election before the Winter of Discontent?MarkSenior said:
That is rater simplistic particularly in relation to 1978/1979 . Throughout 1978 Callaghan had very substantially better approval ratings than Thatcher The winter of discontent hit his figures very badly in January 1979 but had recovered quite a lot by the end of March . If your theory were correct then Callaghan would have won an autumn 1978 GE easily .Bond_James_Bond said:This post is kinda what I was on about a week or two back when I suggested that GEs are usually won by whichever party, to a thoughtful person, most obviously has the best leader.
Thatcher vs Callaghan
Thatcher vs Foot
Thatcher vs Kinnochio
Major versus Kinnochio
Blair versus Major
Blair versus Hague
Blair versus Howard
Cameron versus Brown
Cameron versus Miliband?
I don't mean the winner is whoever's leader is more popular. The popularity rating includes the views of people who mostly aren't thoughtful. I mean the winner is whoever an honest and intelligent person would think the better leader.
On that basis, it seems obvious that Miliband won't win in 2015, although as in 2010, this isn't to say that Cameron therefore will.
It doesn't work well outside GEs. Every Scottish politician is necessarily a nonentity or a buffoon, for example, so choosing between Salmond and one of the others (I can't name any others) is a mug's game. It does work quite well for assessing Salmond's chances versus Westminster, though. Will Scotland get independence? Clearly not, if he has to get it past Cameron.0 -
@tim - still delighted that you don't think they were racist.....you & the Great British public - must be nice to be on the same side for once eh?0
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As I said, I'm ignoring approval ratings because these feature the views of everyone. What I am suggesting is that to a thoughtful person it has been obvious in every electoion sibnce 1979, and perhaps also 1975, who was going to win.MarkSenior said:That is rater simplistic particularly in relation to 1978/1979 . Throughout 1978 Callaghan had very substantially better approval ratings than Thatcher
By analogy, Henman was more popular at Wimbledon than Federer, but a thoughtful person would always back Federer.0 -
I stand corrected Carlotta! As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensiveCarlottaVance said:
No they don't.Sunil_Prasannan said:Mike, you do realise the vans say "illegal immigrants"?
They say 'In the UK Illegally?'..
...the word 'immigrant' does not appear....
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/7/26/1374860544056/In-the-UK-illegally-mobil-008.jpg
I guess that's why the Great British Public did not reckon they were 'racist'.....unlike our friends on the left.....
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Given that Cameron is doing everything he can to avoid a debate with Salmond, it looks like he disagrees with you.Bond_James_Bond said:Will Scotland get independence? Clearly not, if he has to get it past Cameron.
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You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html0 -
Desolate = Liverpool ..frack away.. no one will notice the difference...0
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tim will be delighted - none of the VI sub groups think the vans were racist:
'Net Racist'
OA: -30
Con: -64
Lab: -4
LibD: -9
UKIP: -81
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vyqeedhshs/YG-Archive-Pol-Sun-results-290713-immigration-van.pdf0 -
Telegraph Politics @TelePolitics 1h
*chortle*
Come visit the desolate North, the land the Tories are struggling to win http://tgr.ph/157zJEH
Downing Street distances itself from 'Frack the desolate North East' Tory peer
Downing Street has distanced itself from George Osborne’s father-in-law after he was condemned by the Archbishop of Canterbury and MPs for describing the North East of England as “desolate”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10212015/Tory-peer-condemned-after-he-describes-the-North-East-as-desolate.html?x
Poor old incompetent fops. At least it keeps the inept tory spinners busy as the twits blunder about in their usual out of touch way.0 -
Doleo. Possibly even desoleo or dolesco.Plato said:
Roger needs to up his game if he wants to mix with Japanese graduettes.
I am only trying to help.
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Everything is obvious with hindsight.Bond_James_Bond said:
As I said, I'm ignoring approval ratings because these feature the views of everyone. What I am suggesting is that to a thoughtful person it has been obvious in every electoion sibnce 1979, and perhaps also 1975, who was going to win.MarkSenior said:That is rater simplistic particularly in relation to 1978/1979 . Throughout 1978 Callaghan had very substantially better approval ratings than Thatcher
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As I said , you are being simplistic , because it is clear that an autumn election in 1978 would have been won by Callaghan but he was done by the winter of discontent .Bond_James_Bond said:
As I said, I'm ignoring approval ratings because these feature the views of everyone. What I am suggesting is that to a thoughtful person it has been obvious in every electoion sibnce 1979, and perhaps also 1975, who was going to win.MarkSenior said:That is rater simplistic particularly in relation to 1978/1979 . Throughout 1978 Callaghan had very substantially better approval ratings than Thatcher
By analogy, Henman was more popular at Wimbledon than Federer, but a thoughtful person would always back Federer.
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I don't know why you are bothering with a spoof poster since a simple look at the approval ratings shows just how laughable and ignorant that post is. Presumably all polling is now bunk since VI "includes the views of people who mostly aren't thoughtful". Risible stuff.Monkeys said:
Given that Cameron is doing everything he can to avoid a debate with Salmond, it looks like he disagrees with you.Bond_James_Bond said:Will Scotland get independence? Clearly not, if he has to get it past Cameron.
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They could do a lot worse. I remember his refusal to speak to segregated audiences in his constituency - traditionalist Muslims grumbled but eventually went along with him. Given the size of his majority, he could easily have just coasted along without annoying anyone. He'll have lots of such challenges, and others, in the Punjab.AndreaParma_82 said:Former Glasgow MP Sarwar is a step closer to become Governor of Punjab. The Pakistani government has sent the summary report to the President for approval.
During his UK political career he was commonly known as Mohammed Sarwar. In Pakistan he is called Chaudhry Muhammad Sarwar.
The trouble is that honest and intelligent people disagree on what honest and intelligent people ought to think. It seems to me obvious that Kinnock was a better leader than Major, but you not only disagree but call him by a childish nickname. I don't question your honesty and intelligence, but your judgment seems debatable.Bond_James_Bond said:This post is kinda what I was on about a week or two back when I suggested that GEs are usually won by whichever party, to a thoughtful person, most obviously has the best leader.
Thatcher vs Callaghan
Thatcher vs Foot
Thatcher vs Kinnochio
Major versus Kinnochio
Blair versus Major
Blair versus Hague
Blair versus Howard
Cameron versus Brown
Cameron versus Miliband?
I don't mean the winner is whoever's leader is more popular. The popularity rating includes the views of people who mostly aren't thoughtful. I mean the winner is whoever an honest and intelligent person would think the better leader.
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I thought that even Iain Dale had explained how that story was tripe .Sunil_Prasannan said:
You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html
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Not to be confused with India's Punjab, of courseNickPalmer said:
They could do a lot worse. I remember his refusal to speak to segregated audiences in his constituency - traditionalist Muslims grumbled but eventually went along with him. Given the size of his majority, he could easily have just coasted along without annoying anyone. He'll have lots of such challenges, and others, in the Punjab.AndreaParma_82 said:Former Glasgow MP Sarwar is a step closer to become Governor of Punjab. The Pakistani government has sent the summary report to the President for approval.
During his UK political career he was commonly known as Mohammed Sarwar. In Pakistan he is called Chaudhry Muhammad Sarwar.
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I thought you were LibDem, not Labour?MarkSenior said:
I thought that even Iain Dale had explained how that story was tripe .Sunil_Prasannan said:
You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html
How about this?:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3825577.ece0 -
Why would she think they are stupid?tim said:
Ask your mumSunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Slipped in* for fun, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doleo and Dolesco (as edited) are correct.
Probably "poenitet me" would be the best phrase for "I am sorry".
*If you meant my "desoleo" rather than your "desolo".
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Thanks Avery! On second thoughts it appears 'desolo' is "I desolate", as in the verb.AveryLP said:
Slipped in* for fun, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doleo and Dolesco (as edited) are correct.
Probably "poenitet me" would be the best phrase for "I am sorry".
*If you meant my "desoleo" rather than your "desolo".0 -
IIRC that was the received wisdom at the time.MarkSenior said:
As I said , you are being simplistic , because it is clear that an autumn election in 1978 would have been won by Callaghan but he was done by the winter of discontent .Bond_James_Bond said:
As I said, I'm ignoring approval ratings because these feature the views of everyone. What I am suggesting is that to a thoughtful person it has been obvious in every electoion sibnce 1979, and perhaps also 1975, who was going to win.MarkSenior said:That is rater simplistic particularly in relation to 1978/1979 . Throughout 1978 Callaghan had very substantially better approval ratings than Thatcher
By analogy, Henman was more popular at Wimbledon than Federer, but a thoughtful person would always back Federer.0 -
I didn't think you could desolate something - but then again impact wasn't treated as a verb either when I was younger. I hate *impacted* - it describes wisdom teeth in my book.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Thanks Avery! On second thoughts it appears 'desolo' is "I desolate", as in the verb.AveryLP said:
Slipped in* for fun, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doleo and Dolesco (as edited) are correct.
Probably "poenitet me" would be the best phrase for "I am sorry".
*If you meant my "desoleo" rather than your "desolo".0 -
Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you were LibDem, not Labour?MarkSenior said:
I thought that even Iain Dale had explained how that story was tripe .Sunil_Prasannan said:
You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html
How about this?:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3825577.ece
I refer you again to Iain Dale . You don't seem to understand how corporation tax works do you ?
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OGH tweets:
"The immigration poster at the heart of the CON-LD row. The Tories want it - the LDs are opposed"
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/362283653759393792/photo/1
Tom Newton Dunn tweeted earlier:
"Despite multiple offers to, @nick_clegg won't say he'll veto the 'go home' posters going nationwide."
I expect Nick was too busy organising the photo op with his wife on the Thames - the one tim posted about endlessly.....
"Now let’s see... you’re running the country while the PM is away and keen to get some good publicity after taking a recent hammering.
So why not ditch the official Jaguar and meet the people on the commute into work?
Better not to join the hordes on the sweaty Tube, the river bus is much nicer on a lovely summer morning, even if it is more expensive.
And, gosh, how lucky, a photographer just happens to be there to record your ‘impromptu’ trip as you swig coffee, chat to fellow commuters and exchange loving glances with your wife... "
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2380771/Nick-Clegg-wife-Miriam-Durantez-Gonzalez-plus-snapper-course-love-boat-work.html#ixzz2aYa7EMlw0 -
Dan Hodges in the Telegraph - They’re coming to get you, Ed, and it won’t be the usual suspects0
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That opens up the whole question of whether a verb is transitive or intransitive.Plato said:
I didn't think you could desolate something - but then again impact wasn't treated as a verb either when I was younger. I hate *impacted* - it describes wisdom teeth in my book.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Thanks Avery! On second thoughts it appears 'desolo' is "I desolate", as in the verb.AveryLP said:
Slipped in* for fun, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Doleo and Dolesco (as edited) are correct.
Probably "poenitet me" would be the best phrase for "I am sorry".
*If you meant my "desoleo" rather than your "desolo".
Almost, but not quite, as difficult for a ten year old as the difference between a gerund and a gerundive.
Molesworth shows how a quest for knowledge can used for gain:
When he gets to Latin, [Molesworth] has to admit however that the only way really is to WORK ('chiz chiz…'); so instead he outlines a few ways to distract the teacher and thereby get the odd brief moment of respite.
One trick that never fails (he claims) is to put up your hand and ask, earnestly: "What is a Gerund, Sir?" This, he says, will cause the master (who has no idea) to stutter, clutch the desk and flip his way surreptitiously underneath it through the pages of Kennedy's Shortbread Eating Primer until he finds the relevant bit, giving the class at least a couple of minutes off…
All those who learned latin will have no fond memory of "Kennedy's Latin Primer", the universal text book of the time.
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You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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"And of course there is next year’s special conference to change the relationship between the Labour Party and its trade union funders. That, as sure as night follows day, will be described by the Left as a “distraction” that is preventing “the movement from taking the fight to the real enemies, the Tories”.fitalass said:Dan Hodges in the Telegraph - They’re coming to get you, Ed, and it won’t be the usual suspects
Darn! I've been outed!
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It was £10k. I can think of other things to get excited about myself.Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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I'm against these vans on the basis that they are a waste of money and it's the government admitting that they aren't very good at catching you if you are here illegally. It's effectively marketing budget spent on criminals. Surely the money would be better spent stopping these people moving about Britain illegally in the first place.CarlottaVance said:tim will be delighted - none of the VI sub groups think the vans were racist:
'Net Racist'
OA: -30
Con: -64
Lab: -4
LibD: -9
UKIP: -81
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/vyqeedhshs/YG-Archive-Pol-Sun-results-290713-immigration-van.pdf
One of the Lib Dems (it may have been Cable) accidentally made a very salient point about illegal immigrants, in that there can't be that many here, because it is so tough to be one: you can't a) legally work, or b) legally own a property. Therefore many illegal immigrants are likely involved in crime. Bad crime too, like drugs smuggling, people trafficking, even terrorism. The kind of stuff you really, really wouldn't want to get caught doing.
And the government is effectively admitting as much, driving ads around telling these naughty people that the boogieman is out to get them. Not very clever or productive to my mind.0 -
Ed M would do well to heed Don Vito's wise words to his son , Michael ;fitalass said:Dan Hodges in the Telegraph - They’re coming to get you, Ed, and it won’t be the usual suspects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuWkcKbBQkg
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So you think those here illegally should either i) stay or ii) be deported at great expense and iii) are opposed to them going voluntarily and cheaply?Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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Another Hodges entry in the Oxford Book of Political Quotations:fitalass said:Dan Hodges in the Telegraph - They’re coming to get you, Ed, and it won’t be the usual suspects
Since the turn of the year, Labour has been successfully defined as the party that wants to grab the nation’s credit card and hand it to the nearest benefits scrounger.
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I dont know why you are trying to make great leaps of logic here. I simply stated that I am opposed to the government wasting taxpayers' money to party political ends. Not that complicated to understand, surely?CarlottaVance said:
So you think those here illegally should either i) stay or ii) be deported at great expense and iii) are opposed to them going voluntarily and cheaply?Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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If one person called in it could pay out.....Plato said:
It was £10k. I can think of other things to get excited about myself.
Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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Government? Isn't the Government a COALITION, made from two different parties?Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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Tsk Mr Neil. I've said previously that I wasn't very keen on them and wouldn't have signed the idea off myself.
What more do you want as evidence that I think £10k is trivial in the grand scheme of things the HOffice spends money on?Neil said:
I'm sure your view would be different if it was money wasted on something you didnt approve of by a party you didnt support.Plato said:It was £10k. I can think of other things to get excited about myself.
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O/T:
A couple of days ago I started having the symptoms of hay fever.
Does anyone know what type of hay fever starts at this time of year?0 -
You, like me, Neil are here prefectly legally! Don't worry about the van posters - I don't think they had you in mindNeil said:
I dont know why you are trying to make great leaps of logic here. I simply stated that I am opposed to the government wasting taxpayers' money to party political ends. Not that complicated to understand, surely?CarlottaVance said:
So you think those here illegally should either i) stay or ii) be deported at great expense and iii) are opposed to them going voluntarily and cheaply?Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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I find Governments wasting taxpayers' money for party political ends pretty concerning whoever they are after, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Don't worry about the van postersNeil said:
I dont know why you are trying to make great leaps of logic here. I simply stated that I am opposed to the government wasting taxpayers' money to party political ends. Not that complicated to understand, surely?CarlottaVance said:
So you think those here illegally should either i) stay or ii) be deported at great expense and iii) are opposed to them going voluntarily and cheaply?Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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Who is Iain Dale anyway? And who cares?MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you were LibDem, not Labour?MarkSenior said:
I thought that even Iain Dale had explained how that story was tripe .Sunil_Prasannan said:
You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html
How about this?:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3825577.ece
I refer you again to Iain Dale . You don't seem to understand how corporation tax works do you ?0 -
£10k?? £10k??CarlottaVance said:If one person called in it could pay out.....
Plato said:It was £10k. I can think of other things to get excited about myself.
Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
Chickenfeed compared to the £18 BILLION we pay into the EU each year! 0 -
That's a very divisive article. Hodges is clearly trying to drive a wedge between Ed and his friends and allies on the far Left. Ed should pay no heed to the siren voices of the Blairites. With the Comeback Clegg on the march, the last thing Ed needs is for those disgruntled Lib Dems to abandon Labour because of its flirting with Osbornism and other manifestations of the neo-Thatcherite credo. Ed must hold his nerve and stay the course, or else all is lost!fitalass said:Dan Hodges in the Telegraph - They’re coming to get you, Ed, and it won’t be the usual suspects
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The way I like to calculate payback is to assess each indignant protest post on PB as worth £100.
We have long passed breakeven.
Sit back and enjoy the cash cow.CarlottaVance said:If one person called in it could pay out.....
Plato said:It was £10k. I can think of other things to get excited about myself.
Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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A Conservative , Google him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Who is Iain Dale anyway? And who cares?MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you were LibDem, not Labour?MarkSenior said:
I thought that even Iain Dale had explained how that story was tripe .Sunil_Prasannan said:
You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html
How about this?:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3825577.ece
I refer you again to Iain Dale . You don't seem to understand how corporation tax works do you ?
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Just added up the individual constituency results for 1979 and came up with the following percentages for Great Britain to two decimal points:
1979:
Con: 44.89%
Lab: 37.74%
Lib: 14.17%
Others: 3.20%
1983 was as follows:
Con: 43.51%
Lab: 28.28%
SDP/Liberal Alliance: 26.02%
Others: 2.19%
Changes:
Con: -1.38%
Lab: -9.46%
Alliance: +11.84%
Others: -1.01%
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Stop fretting about the vans. Neil, I'm 100% certain they'll leave you to go about your businessNeil said:
I find Governments wasting taxpayers' money for party political ends pretty concerning whoever they are after, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Don't worry about the van postersNeil said:
I dont know why you are trying to make great leaps of logic here. I simply stated that I am opposed to the government wasting taxpayers' money to party political ends. Not that complicated to understand, surely?CarlottaVance said:
So you think those here illegally should either i) stay or ii) be deported at great expense and iii) are opposed to them going voluntarily and cheaply?Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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Just a blogger, Mark - but not as good as our MikeMarkSenior said:
A Conservative , Google him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Who is Iain Dale anyway? And who cares?MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you were LibDem, not Labour?MarkSenior said:
I thought that even Iain Dale had explained how that story was tripe .Sunil_Prasannan said:
You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html
How about this?:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3825577.ece
I refer you again to Iain Dale . You don't seem to understand how corporation tax works do you ? 0 -
He's now a radio presenter - and just won an award for it IIRC.
He'd be perfect MoL fodder post Boris - he's gay, Tory, well known via LBC, runs his own publishing house [Biteback] that specialises in political books, has diabetes, is in a civil partnership.
He also likes Cliff Richard. How many boxes does that tick?!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just a blogger, Mark - but not as good as our MikeMarkSenior said:
A Conservative , Google him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Who is Iain Dale anyway? And who cares?MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you were LibDem, not Labour?MarkSenior said:
I thought that even Iain Dale had explained how that story was tripe .Sunil_Prasannan said:
You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html
How about this?:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3825577.ece
I refer you again to Iain Dale . You don't seem to understand how corporation tax works do you ?0 -
O/T - Rumours that 2 recently elected UKIP CC's from Lincolnshire are about to defect to Conservatives following their demotions from the role of deputy leader . They are Victoria Ayling Spilsby Fen and Robin Hunter-Clarke Skegness South .0
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ComRes phone poll out at 10pm
I've got the embargoed figures and they show ....0 -
Grrrr. I'd written the best night hawks ever and comres ruin the funMikeSmithson said:ComRes phone poll out at 10pm
I've got the embargoed figures and they show ....
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I have seen them too, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grrrr. I'd written the best night hawks ever and comres ruin the funMikeSmithson said:ComRes phone poll out at 10pm
I've got the embargoed figures and they show ....
Quite astonishing.
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I'm currently being eaten by mosquitos here - when harvesting starts across the lane, it'll be those tiny wriggly hay thunder bugs everywhere instead...Blue_rog said:
That'll be hay making fever, it is hay making season after all :-)Andy_JS said:O/T:
A couple of days ago I started having the symptoms of hay fever.
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My own feeling is the tories will proberly drop back in the polls after 2 days of bad press and idiot statement. (and no ed on tv ;-) )0
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Unfortunately his performance in Norfolk North in 2005 shows he's not an electoral Titan, quite the opposite, which is a shame as I quite like himPlato said:He's now a radio presenter - and just won an award for it IIRC.
He'd be perfect MoL fodder post Boris - he's gay, Tory, well known via LBC, runs his own publishing house [Biteback] that specialises in political books, has diabetes, is in a civil partnership.
He also likes Cliff Richard. How many boxes does that tick?!Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just a blogger, Mark - but not as good as our MikeMarkSenior said:
A Conservative , Google him .Sunil_Prasannan said:
Who is Iain Dale anyway? And who cares?MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
I thought you were LibDem, not Labour?MarkSenior said:
I thought that even Iain Dale had explained how that story was tripe .Sunil_Prasannan said:
You do now!MarkSenior said:
NopeSunil_Prasannan said:
You never heard of the JML man?MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10102190/Donor-John-Millss-gift-to-Labour-avoided-tax-bill-of-1.5m.html
How about this?:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3825577.ece
I refer you again to Iain Dale . You don't seem to understand how corporation tax works do you ?
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Looking at the details of the responses to this YouGov question poster campaign on this Home Office campaign, it would seem that the wording on them was quite responsible framed. Its the faux outrage generated by Labour, UKIP and the Libdems in an attempt to give these campaign posters a 'racist' element for purely party political reasons that has back fired. You have to hand it to the Libdems, they actually managed to highlight this poster campaign further by trying to make it a party political dividing line with their Coalition partners. For 10K out lay, the Home Office must be delighted at all the free publicity this posturing has garnered for a campaign aimed at targeting those that live here illegally.
Are you also suggesting that every crime prevention poster put out by the Home Office or your local police station over the last few decades is driven by a Government who wants to waste taxpayers money making a party points? I follow Greater Manchester Police and a few other police forces on twitter, and often admire their very proactive use of all the on line tools available to them to help fight crime. Is that too a waste of taxpayers money for political ends?Neil said:
I dont know why you are trying to make great leaps of logic here. I simply stated that I am opposed to the government wasting taxpayers' money to party political ends. Not that complicated to understand, surely?CarlottaVance said:
So you think those here illegally should either i) stay or ii) be deported at great expense and iii) are opposed to them going voluntarily and cheaply?Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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I was waiting for Mike to say this and you beat him to it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Unfortunately his performance in Norfolk North in 2005 shows he's not an electoral Titan, quite the opposite, which is a shame as I quite like him
Plato said:He's now a radio presenter - and just won an award for it IIRC.
He'd be perfect MoL fodder post Boris - he's gay, Tory, well known via LBC, runs his own publishing house [Biteback] that specialises in political books, has diabetes, is in a civil partnership.
He also likes Cliff Richard. How many boxes does that tick?!Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:AveryLP said:MarkSenior said:TGOHF said:
Unfortunately his performance in Norfolk North in 2005 shows he's not an electoral Titan, quite the opposite, which is a shame as I quite like himMikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
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MikeSmithson said:
ComRes phone poll out at 10pm
I've got the embargoed figures and they show ....
From your teasing , flirtacious tone , I'd predict a continuation of the LibDem revival. Hopefully at Labour's expense.
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No, I'm suggesting this one was a waste of taxpayers' money and aimed at nakedly party political ends. I really cant put it more simply than that.fitalass said:
Are you also suggesting that every crime prevention poster put out by the Home Office or your local police station over the last few decades is driven by a Government who wants to waste taxpayers money making a party points?
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Iain Dale was once a periodic poster here and generously sponsored the first ever pb drinks in 2005. Rik Willis was there and tpfkar and Roger too. And I managed to get safely home.
Happy days.0 -
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Thankfully, the Queen's footman decided to go home when his visa ran out. More of such law abiding chappies are required.Sunil_Prasannan said:@Neil
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You got home safely last time. Eventually.JohnO said:Iain Dale was once a periodic poster here and generously sponsored the first ever pb drinks in 2005. Rik Willis was there and tpfkar and Roger too. And I managed to get safely home.
Happy days.
Look on the bright side, you didn't end up in Brighton.
Not that there's anything wrong with Brighton, but it has bars that you could imagine me DJing in
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I wonder what the likelihood is of my being 'phoned by two different companies within a coupla weeks of each other. The 1st was Ipsos MORI and the 2nd was, err, different. Curiosity satisfied by the 1st, I sent the second one packing. If I am typical then that should be a factor in weighting---the "fed up effect". What really put me off was the sneaky questions, in passing as it were, about other factors in my life style---how many 'phones did I own etc.0
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You know its a waste? Who is making great leaps of logic?Neil said:
I dont know why you are trying to make great leaps of logic here. I simply stated that I am opposed to the government wasting taxpayers' money to party political ends. Not that complicated to understand, surely?CarlottaVance said:
So you think those here illegally should either i) stay or ii) be deported at great expense and iii) are opposed to them going voluntarily and cheaply?Neil said:
You dont find the Government wasting your taxpayer money for nakedly party political reasons offensive?Sunil_Prasannan said:As for me, well I'm here legally, I don't find the poster offensive
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Met Iain once in Fuengirola and he was very impressive in person - although he took great exception to my criticical comments about Ann Widdecombe with whom was doing a stage show in the UK at the time.TheScreamingEagles said:Unfortunately his performance in Norfolk North in 2005 shows he's not an electoral Titan, quite the opposite, which is a shame as I quite like him
I remember when Iain originally had his own blog (before the abortive Dale and Co). He used to prowl the comments section for things he didn't agree with and got very tetchy with certain individuals. It rather stifled free expression, as I recall.
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Fortunately, the voters as a whole are wiser than most Labour and Lib Dem voters.tim said:
Over half of Labour and Lib Dems find it stupid and offensive, 24% and 21% of Tories and KippersMaxPB said:
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/vyqeedhshs/YG-Archive-Pol-Sun-results-290713-immigration-van.pdfMikeSmithson said:Those are not the full results as required under the British Polling Council code of conduct
I can't understand why they haven't been published - I was promised them during the day.
They have two working days following publication of the poll, which was last night, so I would expect to see it tomorrow.
Thats not the detail, it's the party/regional/age breakdown which they haven't published.
Here.
That's the split in British politics, stupid people like stupid gesture policies ostensibly aimed at foreigners which are actually aimed at one wing of the stupid half of politics
No wonder this country reckons immigration is a bigger problem thatn anywhere else in Europe.
Tragic right wingers looking for scapegoats
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I was recently contacted for the first time by Ipsos Mori, but as a woman of a certain age I was then very tactfully told that I was surplus to their requirements.Toms said:
I wonder what the likelihood is of my being 'phoned by two different companies within a coupla weeks of each other. The 1st was Ipsos MORI and the 2nd was, err, different. Curiosity satisfied by the 1st, I sent the second one packing. If I am typical then that should be a factor in weighting---the "fed up effect". What really put me off was the sneaky questions, in passing as it were, about other factors in my life style---how many 'phones did I own etc.
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interesting article on the end of Britain - sobering stuff
http://info.moneyweek.com/urgent-bulletins/the-end-of-britain/
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Er, you, when you inferred all kinds of strange things from my very clear and simple statement.CarlottaVance said:Who is making great leaps of logic?
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I've been out with my 'Immigrants Go Home' sandwich board. I thought I'd save the government money on petrol0
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Indeed. A real gent. As is, if truth be told, Roger in the flesh.Plato said:0 -
IME he does have a rather thin skin and ended up in spats that didn't really achieve much. From listening to his radio shows - he's clearly someone who feels greatly touched by subjects/has a cry so I guess what makes him empathetic also leads to spattery.GeoffM said:
Met Iain once in Fuengirola and he was very impressive in person - although he took great exception to my criticical comments about Ann Widdecombe with whom was doing a stage show in the UK at the time.TheScreamingEagles said:Unfortunately his performance in Norfolk North in 2005 shows he's not an electoral Titan, quite the opposite, which is a shame as I quite like him
I remember when Iain originally had his own blog (before the abortive Dale and Co). He used to prowl the comments section for things he didn't agree with and got very tetchy with certain individuals. It rather stifled free expression, as I recall.0 -
I don't think my age was asked for. Maybe next time---assuming I haven't been blacklisted---I might wickedly, um, bend the truth.fitalass said:I was recently contacted for the first time by Ipsos Mori, but as a woman of a certain age I was then very tactfully told that I was surplus to their requirements.
Toms said:I wonder what the likelihood is of my being 'phoned by two different companies within a coupla weeks of each other. The 1st was Ipsos MORI and the 2nd was, err, different. Curiosity satisfied by the 1st, I sent the second one packing. If I am typical then that should be a factor in weighting---the "fed up effect". What really put me off was the sneaky questions, in passing as it were, about other factors in my life style---how many 'phones did I own etc.
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There's an awfully big informal economy in London, if Vince really thinks that, he is a naive in the extreme.Fenster said:CarlottaVance said:
One of the Lib Dems (it may have been Cable) accidentally made a very salient point about illegal immigrants, in that there can't be that many here, because it is so tough to be one: you can't a) legally work, or b) legally own a property. Therefore many illegal immigrants are likely involved in crime. Bad crime too, like drugs smuggling, people trafficking, even terrorism. The kind of stuff you really, really wouldn't want to get caught doing.
And the government is effectively admitting as much, driving ads around telling these naughty people that the boogieman is out to get them. Not very clever or productive to my mind.0 -
I like his show on LBC, maybe because he does not yell at the microphone.TheScreamingEagles said:Plato said:
He's now a radio presenter - and just won an award for it IIRC.
He'd be perfect MoL fodder post Boris - he's gay, Tory, well known via LBC, runs his own publishing house [Biteback] that specialises in political books, has diabetes, is in a civil partnership.
He also likes Cliff Richard. How many boxes does that tick?!Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:Sunil_Prasannan said:MarkSenior said:
Unfortunately his performance in Norfolk North in 2005 shows he's not an electoral Titan, quite the opposite, which is a shame as I quite like himSunil_Prasannan said:
e>MarkSenior said:
Because if there is no sensible reason they may as well park a van outside your home .AveryLP said:
Why not?MarkSenior said:
Why ?TGOHF said:
Labour party hq would be an appropriate spot too !MikeSmithson said:This is a comment on the YouGov site over the van posters
"Also why's this van not outside big businesses saying; "Do you pay your corporation tax? If not text this number and we'll help you pay or remove your business from this country!"0 -
Comparing Ed Milliband to Thatcher?
Ha ha ha ho ho hee hee please stop it.0 -
@ Ah, tim, nothing yet from you about LAs and the disabled. I rather think you made that one up, you naughty scallywag, didn't you?0
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Except, Roger, that the posters don't say "Immigrants go home", they say "Here illegally?"...Roger said:I've been out with my 'Immigrants Go Home' sandwich board. I thought I'd save the government money on petrol
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It's John Cruddas I feel sorry for. Immigration was going to be Labour's killer new issue until Ed vacillated, wobbled and left Cruddas humiliated. Check out this historical curiosity:tim said:
David Cameron a new type of Conservative.
He's ended up sponsoring Go Home vans...
'Regaining the blue collar vote is crucial for both parties. This must involve understanding the blue collar mindset and the desire for economic security. Cruddas argues that, “Labour's future in England is conservative. “ If he is successful at reinserting the conservative element of the Labour tradition, Tory strategists should be very nervous indeed.
He also understands concerns about immigration and welfare, once saying that immigration had been used as a “21st Century form of incomes policy.” We found that pledges to control welfare and cut immigration would be the two things that Labour could do to attract potential Labour voters.'
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/uk-politics/2012/05/appointing-jon-cruddas-was-masterstroke-labour0
