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i think Cameron has just wet himself laughing.0
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John McDonnell is living in another universe..0
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Surely deficit reduction was 'too far too fast'?Slackbladder said:Is McDonnell actually trying to attack Osborne for not reaching his deficit targets?
Now its 'too little too late'?
Confused of Islington......0 -
As I advised Mr Corbyn, rather than oppose Osborne's deficit law, Labour should have amended it to disqualify from office any Chancellor who runs a deficit for, say, (how long has Osborne been in Number 11?) five years.Slackbladder said:Is McDonnell actually trying to attack Osborne for not reaching his deficit targets?
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I really don't see where all this money is coming from.
I presume it hasn't escaped Osborne he has to get from a c.85 billion deficit pa to zero in the next five years. Make that four-and-a-half, actually.0 -
Errr I'm not sure McDonnell can think on his feet.0
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My main problem is not so much the size of the pension but that inflation-busting increases have been *legally guaranteed* for the foreseeable future. This is the height of financial irresponsibility given that the SP is by far the biggest welfare benefit.Richard_Nabavi said:
They can, but those haven't been ring-fenced.not_on_fire said:£8k a year really as anyone on the SP with no other income can claim Pension Credit and the assorted pensioner goodies.
But yes, you are right, the average pensioner does get a total of something like £8K per year in accordance with the promises made over half a century by successive governments regarding what National Insurance was supposed to be for. Clearly you think this is too much - 'lavish' in your words.
What do you think a fair state pension would be? Presumably a lot less, given how lavish £8K is. Care to put a figure on it?
I would have liked to have seen state pensions frozen for a few years, followed by a 1% up rating for the rest of the parliament. This seems a reasonable contribution for pensioners to make in line with the cuts other sections of society have received.0 -
Children living in absolute poverty - really, in the UK..?0
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And so far not a decent economic reform in sight.taffys said:Tim shipman has it in one
the OBR has given Osborne some more money and he has spent it. Never mind giving hard working people their cash back.
He has reverted to his Brownian instincts and blown an enormous opportunity.0 -
I'm still doing an Osborne is awesome thread for Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
were all in it together but some are more in it than others.TheScreamingEagles said:
I shall view it as my contribution to being all in it together.Alanbrooke said:
welcome :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne out now!FrancisUrquhart said:Not just buy to letters, anybody with a second home.
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''20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now. ''
The tories may be cheering Osborne now, but later in the parliament they will be cursing him.0 -
Can I do an Osborne is guano one ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm still doing an Osborne is awesome thread for Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
were all in it together but some are more in it than others.TheScreamingEagles said:
I shall view it as my contribution to being all in it together.Alanbrooke said:
welcome :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne out now!FrancisUrquhart said:Not just buy to letters, anybody with a second home.
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"4.1 children now live in absolute poverty"... and now he's talking about tax credits errrSlackbladder said:
Errr I'm not sure McDonnell can think on his feet.
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McDonnell congratulating the house on the tax credits reversal will be the headline response on the news I think.0
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At times like this I really miss Ed Balls...Sandpit said:McDonnell being laughed at already, asking why the govt haven't eliminated the deficit yet!
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And so far not a decent economic reform in sight.
I am far more angry about this budget than any Brown budget. Brown was honest about being a tax and spend socialist.0 -
This budget (if true and the extra £27bn does all stack up) is very centrist and very New Labour.
Heir to Brown.0 -
McDonell is just pathetic and is being laughed at. RIP labour0
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Osborne is a borrow and spend conservative.taffys said:And so far not a decent economic reform in sight.
I am far more angry about this budget than any Brown budget. Brown was honest about being a tax and spend socialist.0 -
I think you need to delete the words 'on his feet'Slackbladder said:Errr I'm not sure McDonnell can think on his feet.
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I wonder how much Osborne's Budget has buggered UKIP in Oldham...?0
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Going back to our medical discussion, the same cavalier approach to evidence is here.
Prisons that are on expensive housing land will be closed and sold off. No-one asks about relative success in rehabilitation or whatever it is prisons are supposed to do.Plato_Says said:Nine old Victorian city centre prisons will be sold off to provide more housing. The government will spend £1billion on building new prisons that are fit for purpose. Holloway prison, the biggest jail for women in Western Europe, is among those that will be shut. The Chancellor said the women prisoners will be housed in "more humane" conditions.
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With the rumoured changes to Contracting and taxation of service companies, I'm wondering if Labour could be in with a chance of beating an Osborne lead Tory party, if they could get their act into gear. Which is highly unlikely.
He's doing his bit to piss off quite a few natural Conservative voters.0 -
''I presume it hasn't escaped Osborne he has to get from a c.85 billion deficit pa to zero in the next five years. Make that four-and-a-half, actually. ''
He will be far adrift by 2019 and having to make huge cuts into an election.0 -
Thatcher did that all the time. By and large, however, she got her retreats in early and worked out where the defensible line was, before she went too public. In fact, it was when she stopped compromising at all that it all started to go wrong.taffys said:I think this Autumn statement tells us he definitely wants the top job.
Osborne has broken the first rule of truly successful tory leaders. The Thatcher rule.
You never give in to 'experts', think tanks, newspaper columnists, lords, celebrities, assorted hand wringing lefties and other assorted bien pensant garbage.
Never. And you never U-turn.0 -
This is a New Labour budget. Osborne is in danger of opening a big flank on his Right.taffys said:And so far not a decent economic reform in sight.
I am far more angry about this budget than any Brown budget. Brown was honest about being a tax and spend socialist.
Presumably he's hoping he can deal with that down the road. Right now, he wants to be as uncontentious as he can be to ensure he makes it to the final two.0 -
You may.Alanbrooke said:
Can I do an Osborne is guano one ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm still doing an Osborne is awesome thread for Sunday.Alanbrooke said:
were all in it together but some are more in it than others.TheScreamingEagles said:
I shall view it as my contribution to being all in it together.Alanbrooke said:
welcome :-)TheScreamingEagles said:
Osborne out now!FrancisUrquhart said:Not just buy to letters, anybody with a second home.
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I'm not sure anyone is listening to McDonnell TBH, lots of side-talking going on.0
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The next recession is due around 2019 - 2020.. It will last 15-18 months and be relatively mild. Remember banks now have much bigger equity bases to absorb losses..Pulpstar said:
The growth forecasts look perfectly realistic if we're to have no recession between now and then.FrancisUrquhart said:"£10.1 billion surplus by 2020"
Does anybody actually believe this rubbish, especially given growth is predicted to be "normal"-ish levels, nothing out of this world.
Remember also 2008 type recessions come every 50-70 years - when the lessons of the prior one have been forgotten (see 1929)0 -
McDonnell trying to make points about mental health as members throw "Ken Livingstone" at him....0
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Tough. But don't worry the elderly will be dead soon and anyway pension age is rising to 68 for both men and women.not_on_fire said:
Financial insanity. Cutting spending on the young and lavishing it on the elderly.Plato_Says said:Councils sitting on £1tr of assets that can be sold and 100% of proceeds spent locally.
From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.0 -
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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To put things in perspective:
@RBS_Economics
Thatcher left office with spending/GDP 6.4% lower than when she arrived. Osborne will hit 6% in 2015
The idea is like Brown, or not fiscally responsible, or hasn't done enough to cut the deficit, is bonkers, frankly.0 -
Not much good running a service company if there is nothing to service, think he is on solid ground there.watford30 said:With the rumoured changes to Contracting and taxation of service companies, I'm wondering if Labour could be in with a chance of beating an Osborne lead Tory party, if they could get their act into gear. Which is highly unlikely.
He's doing his bit to piss off quite a few natural Conservative voters.0 -
He's doing his bit to piss off quite a few natural Conservative voters.
The Sh8t will hit the fan by mid 2018, when the finances are far adrift and labour has got its act together under a new moderate leader.
The tories will have to make swingeing cuts when they should be gearing up to slash taxes.
What a catastrophe by Osborne. What a fail.0 -
LOLCasino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
Tories camped on the CENTRE ground.0 -
What twaddle. George is positioning himself in the centre for career purposes and to win votes for the Tories.Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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Corbyn has vacated the centre-left. Osborne saying "I'll have some of that then..."Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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Corbyn dressed by 'Scruff Bag of Camden' again. What a mess.0
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Andy Burnham thinks no further cuts in the police budget is down to him.0
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they don't all die off, they get replaced by a larger cohort each year.flightpath01 said:
Tough. But don't worry the elderly will be dead soon and anyway pension age is rising to 68 for both men and women.not_on_fire said:
Financial insanity. Cutting spending on the young and lavishing it on the elderly.Plato_Says said:Councils sitting on £1tr of assets that can be sold and 100% of proceeds spent locally.
From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.0 -
very disappointing statement from Osbo....using (apparently) improving situation to pull headline grabbing goodies from his hat rather than sensible consolidation...
..but by God this labour chap McDonnell is crap..truly shocking0 -
And you think this is a success for you as a Conservative supporter?MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn has vacated the centre-left. Osborne saying "I'll have some of that then..."Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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McDonnell complaining about cuts to defence jobs. Is this joker for real?0
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Sadly a lot of right wingers (many of them with one foot in the Kipper camp) seem to fall for that. Osborne is being a lot more sensible than those either side of him politically will concede. And there's nothing wrong with occupying the centre ground that Labour is racing away from, it should certainly improve the chances of the Conservatives winning another general election.Richard_Nabavi said:The idea is like Brown, or not fiscally responsible, or hasn't done enough to cut the deficit, is bonkers, frankly.
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McDonnell seems to have developed an IDS frog in the throat. Annoying.0
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Which is precisely my problem.MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn has vacated the centre-left. Osborne saying "I'll have some of that then..."Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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Five Tridents and a portion of fries please.watford30 said:McDonnell complaining about cuts to defence jobs? Is this joker for real?
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To pay £8k a year in tax and NI requires a salary of approx £35k. Since the median UK salary is about £26k, the majority (perhaps two thirds) of people are not paying for their state pension.watford30 said:
Compare how much those pensioners have paid into the system relative to their benefits, and then do the same for your 'scroungers'.not_on_fire said:
£8k a year really as anyone on the SP with no other income can claim Pension Credit and the assorted pensioner goodies.Richard_Nabavi said:
You think £6K per year is lavish? Really?not_on_fire said:
Financial insanity. Cutting spending on the young and lavishing it on the elderly.Plato_Says said:Councils sitting on £1tr of assets that can be sold and 100% of proceeds spent locally.
From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.
Plenty of people on here have been attacking "scrounges" on half that level of tax credits in the last few months, so it is certainly seen as lavish for them. But somehow the elderly are uniquely virtuous when it comes to receiving welfare.
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I know it's a very hard job to respond on the hoof, but he's terrible.watford30 said:
McDonnell complaining about cuts to defence jobs. Is this joker for real?
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Quoting Chairman Mao0
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WTF is McDonnell on.
The headline will be him quoting from the Little Red Book.
Osborne delivers a poor budget with a huge u-turn and has been forced to add 4% to the Deficit by the OBR. All McDonnell had to do was nothing.0 -
Oh dear god.... this is comedy isn't it.0
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McDonnell now quoting from Mao's Little Red Book...
Comedy writers being put out of business by this Labour Party.0 -
Someone's muddled up the pages of his speech. It's gibberish.Plato_Says said:I know it's a very hard job to respond on the hoof, but he's terrible.
watford30 said:McDonnell complaining about cuts to defence jobs. Is this joker for real?
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It worked in May. Rather than chase the Kipper vote, the Tories went for centre ground votes of Lab and Lib Dem.Casino_Royale said:
Which is precisely my problem.MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn has vacated the centre-left. Osborne saying "I'll have some of that then..."Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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Corbyn is certainly expanding the space available to the Conservatives. Osborne is choosing to move into it, but that makes room for other Tories on the right, as we will surely see. An internal election to be Prime Minister for 6+ years will certainly attract all wings of the party.Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
It would have been better if Osborne had made the tax credit changes more gradual in the first place, rather than march all the way up the hill and then down again.
I wonder what lessons Jeremy Hunt is learning.0 -
Can't someone hook him off0
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Interesting:
The government has taken a series of steps to reduce the cost of politics, including cutting and freezing ministerial pay, abolishing pensions for councillors in England and legislating to reduce the size of the House of Commons. However, since 2010, there has been no contribution by political parties to tackling the deficit. Indeed, taxpayer-funded Short Money has risen year-on-year from £6.9 million in 2010-11 to £9.3 million in 2015-16.
Therefore, subject to confirmation by Parliament, the government proposes to reduce Short Money allocations by 19%, in line with the average savings made from unprotected Whitehall departments over this Spending Review.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/479749/52229_Blue_Book_PU1865_Web_Accessible.pdf
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Are you sure? - It looks more like the centre ground to me.Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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LOL Brilliant joke!!!! 'And yours!'0
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Quite. And being dogmatic when you've lost an argument no matter how sound it was, is stupid.glw said:
Sadly a lot of right wingers (many of them with one foot in the Kipper camp) seem to fall for that. Osborne is being a lot more sensible than those either side of him politically will concede. And there's nothing wrong with occupying the centre ground that Labour is racing away from, it should certainly improve the chances of the Conservatives winning another general election.Richard_Nabavi said:The idea is like Brown, or not fiscally responsible, or hasn't done enough to cut the deficit, is bonkers, frankly.
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''What twaddle. George is positioning himself in the centre for career purposes and to win votes for the Tories.''
The country can't afford the centre though, Plato, because the centre runs a deficit of 50/100bn. The state is just too big for the economy.
Osborne had a priceless opportunity to show the nation that today. He completely flunked it. All for his own personal career.0 -
It's not twaddle. This budget is one that shows a shift in Conservative thinking to the left from that of 12 months ago badged under 'one nation'.Plato_Says said:What twaddle. George is positioning himself in the centre for career purposes and to win votes for the Tories.
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Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
Funnily enough, I see the objective of the Conservative Party as to advance the cause of Conservatism in this country. Not as a game of chess that aims to maximise the vote count for the blue team.
I appreciate others, including Osborne, may think differently.0 -
Indeed. Thatcher has become a shibboleth and an icon: "Thatcher" rather than Thatcher, so to speak. By reducing a flesh-and-blood politician with a fine awareness of her base to a right-wing stereotype on which any concept can be hung, we ignore the fact that she was willing to throw principle out the window if her base required it. It was only when she started believing her own publicity - when Thatcher started to act like "Thatcher" - over things like the poll tax that the wheels came off.david_herdson said:
Thatcher did that all the time. By and large, however, she got her retreats in early and worked out where the defensible line was, before she went too public. In fact, it was when she stopped compromising at all that it all started to go wrong.taffys said:I think this Autumn statement tells us he definitely wants the top job.
Osborne has broken the first rule of truly successful tory leaders. The Thatcher rule.
You never give in to 'experts', think tanks, newspaper columnists, lords, celebrities, assorted hand wringing lefties and other assorted bien pensant garbage.
Never. And you never U-turn.
Applying your principles against your enemies, and ignoring them wholesale for your friends, its a skill that any successful politician has to learn.0 -
All thanks to the Lib Dems, eh Plato! Don´t forget that!Plato_Says said:From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.0 -
Bring back ed balls...0
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I can't see anything about the rumoured changes in taxation of contractors operating through service companies - have I missed them, or have they been shelved for now at least?0
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It's to the Left of the standard Conservative position.SimonStClare said:
Are you sure? - It looks more like the centre ground to me.Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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I've honestly no idea what he's saying - it's random sentences and sloganising.watford30 said:
Someone's muddled up the pages of his speech. It's gibberish.Plato_Says said:I know it's a very hard job to respond on the hoof, but he's terrible.
watford30 said:McDonnell complaining about cuts to defence jobs. Is this joker for real?
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Osborne just shafted McDonell - game set and match0
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LOLRichard_Nabavi said:Interesting:
The government has taken a series of steps to reduce the cost of politics, including cutting and freezing ministerial pay, abolishing pensions for councillors in England and legislating to reduce the size of the House of Commons. However, since 2010, there has been no contribution by political parties to tackling the deficit. Indeed, taxpayer-funded Short Money has risen year-on-year from £6.9 million in 2010-11 to £9.3 million in 2015-16.
Therefore, subject to confirmation by Parliament, the government proposes to reduce Short Money allocations by 19%, in line with the average savings made from unprotected Whitehall departments over this Spending Review.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/479749/52229_Blue_Book_PU1865_Web_Accessible.pdf
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I don't think that's what happened in May. The manifesto was partly designed to shore up the Conservative right-flank and a lot of Kippers did end up voting tactically - or actually - for the Conservatives.TheScreamingEagles said:
It worked in May. Rather than chase the Kipper vote, the Tories went for centre ground votes of Lab and Lib Dem.Casino_Royale said:
Which is precisely my problem.MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn has vacated the centre-left. Osborne saying "I'll have some of that then..."Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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Sky cut away what was the response?Big_G_NorthWales said:Osborne just shafted McDonell - game set and match
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too early to say. Wait for tomorrow and the analysis.Richard_Nabavi said:I can't see anything about the rumoured changes in taxation of contractors operating through service companies - have I missed them, or have they been shelved for now at least?
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McDonnell will be a sacrificial lamb to the PLP in around a year's time I reckon.0
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You are more likely to advance Conservatism in office than in opposition. If you want right wing dogma there's a party for that now, they have one MP.Casino_Royale said:Funnily enough, I see the objective of the Conservative Party as to advance the cause of Conservatism in this country. Not as a game of chess that aims to maximise the vote count for the blue team.
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How much did the Tory campaign talk about the Kipper hot button immigration?Casino_Royale said:
I don't think that's what happened in May. The manifesto was partly designed to shore up the Conservative right-flank and a lot of Kippers did end up voting tactically - or actually - for the Conservatives.TheScreamingEagles said:
It worked in May. Rather than chase the Kipper vote, the Tories went for centre ground votes of Lab and Lib Dem.Casino_Royale said:
Which is precisely my problem.MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn has vacated the centre-left. Osborne saying "I'll have some of that then..."Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
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Why does Labour " always talk Britain down"
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Yes, their 8 MPs are having a massive influence on what Osborne has said today....PClipp said:
All thanks to the Lib Dems, eh Plato! Don´t forget that!Plato_Says said:From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.0 -
I don't think MM is one of them (at all, in fact) but there are plenty of Conservative supporters who are partisan football-team supporters who see politics as a positioning game and just want their 'team' in office.Luckyguy1983 said:
And you think this is a success for you as a Conservative supporter?MarqueeMark said:
Corbyn has vacated the centre-left. Osborne saying "I'll have some of that then..."Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn is successfully moving the Conservatives to the Left.Tissue_Price said:20% leads coming up? The Tories must have judged that Corbyn is dug in well enough now.
Why, or what it does there, are immaterial.0 -
Agreed. The forthcoming contractor rules don't work at all for the genuine contractor in the private sector, the one who does 3 months here and six months there, often away from home.watford30 said:With the rumoured changes to Contracting and taxation of service companies, I'm wondering if Labour could be in with a chance of beating an Osborne lead Tory party, if they could get their act into gear. Which is highly unlikely.
He's doing his bit to piss off quite a few natural Conservative voters.
Osborne has made the speech way too political, he should have eaten the political capital on tax credits (although he got the reduced 2.5k limit in without anyone noticing) and brought in the surplus a year early. He seemed determined that there would be no bad news for anyone in a one hour speech.
I did like the departmental budgets though, almost all having reduced admin budgets while allocating funds for development and capital expenditure. Would have liked to have seen Heathrow expansion mentioned, but I guess that's for another day.0 -
I haven't heard any - but there was a blizzard of stuff - best to read his speech here.
Ooh oh - Ozzie is responding to McIRA "He's quoting from Mao's Little Red Book. Oh look! He's quoting from his own personal signed copy! Shame half the Shad Cab have been sent off to re-education camps"Richard_Nabavi said:I can't see anything about the rumoured changes in taxation of contractors operating through service companies - have I missed them, or have they been shelved for now at least?
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Waved his red book at him that he had thrown across the dispatch box and then said it was his own signed copyMoses_ said:
Sky cut away what was the response?Big_G_NorthWales said:Osborne just shafted McDonell - game set and match
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What about the LDs in the HoL, you know the ones who helped block the tax credits ?MarqueeMark said:
Yes, their 8 MPs are having a massive influence on what Osborne has said today....PClipp said:
All thanks to the Lib Dems, eh Plato! Don´t forget that!Plato_Says said:From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.0 -
Would love to have been a fly on Osborne's wall when he found out who his Shadow was going to be.0
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If McDonnell wanted to hit George Osborne, he should stand up and say that he supports most of this budget, its the sort of budget he and his party would be looking to bring in.
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Kenneth Clarke praising George and the Autumn Statement.
That's me convinced, I withdraw all my earlier criticisms of George.0 -
I think Obsorne is replaying all of McIRA's greatest hits.0
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Ah, found it, page 116:
As confirmed at Summer Budget 2015, the government will legislate to restrict tax relief for travel and subsistence expenses for workers engaged through an employment intermediary, such as an umbrella company or a personal service company. Following consultation, relief will be restricted for individuals working through personal service companies where the intermediaries legislation applies. This change will take effect from 6 April 2016..
No more details, though, as far as I know.0 -
Here's a photo of when George and Dave found out Jez had appointed McDonnell as Shadow ChancellorTissue_Price said:Would love to have been a fly on Osborne's wall when he found out who his Shadow was going to be.
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Tax credits was not about the LibDems, it was about the Tories who were telling Cameron to his face - and this was what was related to me by the person who said it - "sort out these tax credit cuts - because I am getting my arse chewed off down in the south west..."Alanbrooke said:
What about the LDs in the HoL, you know the ones who helped block the tax credits ?MarqueeMark said:
Yes, their 8 MPs are having a massive influence on what Osborne has said today....PClipp said:
All thanks to the Lib Dems, eh Plato! Don´t forget that!Plato_Says said:From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.0 -
Well it worked and credit to Osborne for taking the hit.Alanbrooke said:
What about the LDs in the HoL, you know the ones who helped block the tax credits ?MarqueeMark said:
Yes, their 8 MPs are having a massive influence on what Osborne has said today....PClipp said:
All thanks to the Lib Dems, eh Plato! Don´t forget that!Plato_Says said:From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.0 -
@WikiGuido: Labour source texts: "I'm on a two month LSD binge right? This can't actually be real"0
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To be fair, that particular logical failure was more Balls'.Tissue_Price said:
It's a ludicrous position Labour have got themselves into. It's mostly Miliband's fault.Slackbladder said:Is McDonnell actually trying to attack Osborne for not reaching his deficit targets?
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I have to say that shadsy's buzzword bingo competitions are going to be a lot more exciting with John McDonnell.0
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Now you've missed your best chance for the next 5 years, you can't complain the nasty LibDems stopped you doing all the things you wanted to do.MarqueeMark said:
Tax credits was not about the LibDems, it was about the Tories who were telling Cameron to his face - and this was what was related to me by the person who said it - "sort out these tax credit cuts - because I am getting my arse chewed off down in the south west..."Alanbrooke said:
What about the LDs in the HoL, you know the ones who helped block the tax credits ?MarqueeMark said:
Yes, their 8 MPs are having a massive influence on what Osborne has said today....PClipp said:
All thanks to the Lib Dems, eh Plato! Don´t forget that!Plato_Says said:From next year the basic state pension will rise by £3.35, bringing it to £119.30 per week.
It marks the biggest rise in the state pensions for 15 years. Since the Tories came to power the rises have left pensioners £1,125 per year better off.0 -
As we've discussed, that isn't happening is it? Why would one support a party, based (one assumes) on certain beliefs as to how the country should best be run, only to have those trampled over and those who continue to espouse them derided and smeared as 'ideological' or worse? Supporting a party based on rosette colour is utterly cretinous.glw said:
You are more likely to advance Conservatism in office than in opposition. If you want right wing dogma there's a party for that now, they have one MP.Casino_Royale said:Funnily enough, I see the objective of the Conservative Party as to advance the cause of Conservatism in this country. Not as a game of chess that aims to maximise the vote count for the blue team.
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''He seemed determined that there would be no bad news for anyone in a one hour speech. ''
Bad news for nobody now means worse news for the tories down the line. Far worse.
This is an autumn statement for George Osborne.0 -
Maybe same rules as IR35 then.Richard_Nabavi said:Ah, found it, page 116:
As confirmed at Summer Budget 2015, the government will legislate to restrict tax relief for travel and subsistence expenses for workers engaged through an employment intermediary, such as an umbrella company or a personal service company. Following consultation, relief will be restricted for individuals working through personal service companies where the intermediaries legislation applies. This change will take effect from 6 April 2016..
No more details, though, as far as I know.0
