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His allowances add up because of the jobs he does. But why should he be paid public money for chairing the Labour Group on the local government association.chestnut said:
He's a prolific tweeter.Plato_Says said:
I wonder if he's ever railed against austerity whilst taking £82k a year?
Presumably there is a Tory group and a LD group. Do they have a chairman paid out of public money?
The real question is do we need a local government association, what does it actually do or more to the point what does it actually nachieve?0 -
I wonder if Jeremy Corbyn thinks this is as great a tragedy as the death of Jihadi John.MarqueeMark said:French confirm: they got him!
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That can't be true. We keep being told 99.99% disagree with them and are as sickened as we are.SeanT said:Absolutely terrifying survey.
13% of Syrian refugees feel "positive" or "very positive" about ISIS. That means about 130,000 of the 1m refugees now entering Germany, and the EU, are potential ISIS sympathisers.
130,000.
http://english.dohainstitute.org/file/Get/40ebdf12-8960-4d18-8088-7c8a077e522e
Overall about 10-15% of the Arab world sympathises with ISIS. Literally millions of people.0 -
Has Merkel seen these figures?SeanT said:Absolutely terrifying survey.
13% of Syrian refugees feel "positive" or "very positive" about ISIS. That means about 130,000 of the 1m refugees now entering Germany, and the EU, are potential ISIS sympathisers.
130,000.
http://english.dohainstitute.org/file/Get/40ebdf12-8960-4d18-8088-7c8a077e522e
Overall about 10-15% of the Arab world sympathises with ISIS. Literally millions of people.0 -
Even worse for me is the previous handling of the crimes by the Bradford Police. When is that particular Augean stable going to get a clean out?MarqueeMark said:
The Religion of Peace is not having a good week...Tykejohnno said:Religious intolerance in Bradford ?
Police treat vicious street attack in Bradford by hooded thugs on Christian convert as hate crime
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14040719.Police_treat_vicious_attack_by_hooded_thugs_on_Christian_convert_as_hate_crime/0 -
Sorry, I had no ideadavid_herdson said:
he does 'An evening with' shows. I can't imagine those turning up do so for his song-and-dance routine.blackburn63 said:
Really? Which political audiences does he address?david_herdson said:
George Galloway?blackburn63 said:
Its amazing how people outside of ukip are far more concerned with his resignation than those within. He's all over the UK addressing audiences of 1000 at a time, I can't think of any other low grade ego doing that.MarqueeMark said:
Farage has certainly changed forever the way we look at a politician resigning.blackburn63 said:
A predictable but irrelevant reply. Even his critics must accept he has changed the face of politics in many respects and made a far bigger impact than 99% of MPs.watford30 said:
Poor old Farage can't even get himself elected as an MP. Where does he sit on the spectrum of failure?blackburn63 said:
Milliband was never PM and comparing him with Brown sets the bar very low. Of course I realise that for tories what he does as PM is irrelevant, he is PM, nothing else matters.TCPoliticalBetting said:
ordinary is better than Brown and Miliband and ordinary ranks miles ahead of Corbyn.blackburn63 said:
I take your point but Cameron is only good at winning elections, he's a very ordinary PM as the next few years will prove.TheScreamingEagles said:
That was me. I'd now vote UKIP if I lived in Oldham.blackburn63 said:There's been an argument on here that tories in Oldham will vote Labour to keep Corbyn in place, I don't think the electorate is as sophisticated as that. I'd say tories will abstain and enjoy the fight.
The country doesn't need Corbyn, Dave is at his best when he's under pressure.
Corbyn will never put Dave under pressure.
Other than that, another low-grade ego who doesn't know when to quit.
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MarqueeMark said:
The Religion of Peace is not having a good week...Tykejohnno said:Religious intolerance in Bradford ?
Police treat vicious street attack in Bradford by hooded thugs on Christian convert as hate crime
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14040719.Police_treat_vicious_attack_by_hooded_thugs_on_Christian_convert_as_hate_crime/
Simon Carr @simonsketch 2m2 minutes ago
France: Only 30 Muslims show up for rally against Paris jihad attacks http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/france-only-30-muslims-show-up-for-rally-against-paris-jihad-attacks …0 -
Abbott: "I am sure McDonnell will be clarifying his views on MI5 shortly" Oh that will be marvellous #bbcdp https://t.co/pVn7nxeZ3O0
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Reagan was not a churchgoer beforehand. However, that is not really the point -- this is a good spin line that Cameron should adopt *because* there is a kernel of truth.JosiasJessop said:
And that was after the assassination attempt on him, during which several other people got seriously injured.Anorak said:
For those too lazy to Google:DecrepitJohnL said:
If David Cameron wants his own plane, he should follow Ronald Reagan's line in explaining why he did not go to church. It worked, as Reagan captured the Christian vote and defeated a president who actually taught Sunday school from the White House. CCHQ must point to Cameron nobly protecting the general public from being blown up by terrorists targeting the PM as he strolled through customs at Heathrow airport.glw said:
Given the amount of stick the government will take over this it plainly isn't a vanity project. I'm more or less certain Cameron would like to say no, but the people who look after his and other ministers security are probably saying it is unavoidable and long overdue.Scott_P said:@dhothersall: SNP calls Cameron's plan to convert an RAF plane for overseas trips "an incredible vanity project". https://t.co/ylDZ2FXm9y
Reagan attended church only once in his eight years of presidency. Can a man who does not worship God be called Christian?
When asked about his lack of church attendance during the 1984 presidential debate with former Vice President Walter Mondale, Reagan said he feared endangering his own life and those of others: "I pose a threat to several hundred people if I got to church. I know all the threats that are made against me."0 -
A hell of a non sequitur there, Roger. I trust doctors on medical matters. This isn't a medical matter; it's a financial/management matter.Roger said:BigG
"Just because the Doctors are united in their cause it doesn't mean it is right and they risk losing public support as patients operations are cancelled and patients die as a result of the strike."
Unless we don't trust the wisdom of 98% of junior doctors (which I hope for all our sakes we do) then it's obvious that their case is watertight.
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The problem is if all the laws of this country were rigorously applied in Bradford there would probably be disturbances to put it mildly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Even worse for me is the previous handling of the crimes by the Bradford Police. When is that particular Augean stable going to get a clean out?MarqueeMark said:
The Religion of Peace is not having a good week...Tykejohnno said:Religious intolerance in Bradford ?
Police treat vicious street attack in Bradford by hooded thugs on Christian convert as hate crime
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14040719.Police_treat_vicious_attack_by_hooded_thugs_on_Christian_convert_as_hate_crime/0 -
Why do you want him to spin the public a line? You are the public. I don't understand why you'd want yourself to be misled.DecrepitJohnL said:
Reagan was not a churchgoer beforehand. However, that is not really the point -- this is a good spin line that Cameron should adopt *because* there is a kernel of truth.JosiasJessop said:
And that was after the assassination attempt on him, during which several other people got seriously injured.Anorak said:
For those too lazy to Google:DecrepitJohnL said:
If David Cameron wants his own plane, he should follow Ronald Reagan's line in explaining why he did not go to church. It worked, as Reagan captured the Christian vote and defeated a president who actually taught Sunday school from the White House. CCHQ must point to Cameron nobly protecting the general public from being blown up by terrorists targeting the PM as he strolled through customs at Heathrow airport.glw said:
Given the amount of stick the government will take over this it plainly isn't a vanity project. I'm more or less certain Cameron would like to say no, but the people who look after his and other ministers security are probably saying it is unavoidable and long overdue.Scott_P said:@dhothersall: SNP calls Cameron's plan to convert an RAF plane for overseas trips "an incredible vanity project". https://t.co/ylDZ2FXm9y
Reagan attended church only once in his eight years of presidency. Can a man who does not worship God be called Christian?
When asked about his lack of church attendance during the 1984 presidential debate with former Vice President Walter Mondale, Reagan said he feared endangering his own life and those of others: "I pose a threat to several hundred people if I got to church. I know all the threats that are made against me."0 -
I'm not sure I do trust them on medical matters. They're only human. How often do doctors get it right from a cursory 5 minute examination?Cyclefree said:
A hell of a non sequitur there, Roger. I trust doctors on medical matters. This isn't a medical matter; it's a financial/management matter.Roger said:BigG
"Just because the Doctors are united in their cause it doesn't mean it is right and they risk losing public support as patients operations are cancelled and patients die as a result of the strike."
Unless we don't trust the wisdom of 98% of junior doctors (which I hope for all our sakes we do) then it's obvious that their case is watertight.
If it's something potentially serious, even if I'm told it's not, I ask for referral to a specialist for a second opinion.0 -
"I can say with confidence John McDonnell does not want to disband MI5" @HackneyAbbott tells #bbcdp0
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They just thought it was a grander version of "Tories4Palmer"....Plato_Says said:One would've thought Tories4Corbyn was a clue.
Richard_Nabavi said:
The psychology is obvious - they don't want to admit that they were mind-blowingly stupid all along, and that the Blairites, Brownites, Tories, and everyone else who warned about Corbyn were right all along, so they need to create a narrative that they've been stabbed in the back. We'll see a lot of that in coming months - we are just at the start of that phase.SeanT said:My lefty friends who backed Corbyn out of 80% despair and 20% pitiful hope are now spitting blood at his Islamohugging feebleness, and general inability to oppose anything the Tories do. They now hate him more than they hate Cameron. Intriguing.
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If only it were that easy.flightpath01 said:Mr Anorak at 11.48 -
A very sensible analysis and we'll done for taking the time to do it.
In so doing of course you also totally defenestrate the odious SNP and their pathetic take on crass party politics.
Counter arguments only work if the other side are at all interested in listening.0 -
insincere U-turn comingPlato_Says said:Abbott: "I am sure McDonnell will be clarifying his views on MI5 shortly" Oh that will be marvellous #bbcdp https://t.co/pVn7nxeZ3O
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Is that because he thinks MI5 is still a branch office of the KGB ?Plato_Says said:
"I can say with confidence John McDonnell does not want to disband MI5" @HackneyAbbott tells #bbcdp
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There seems to be some confusion over what the final words of the female suicide bomber were: either "help me" or "God is great" according to different reports.0
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And now it's the headline story on BBC News online.JosiasJessop said:
Context is everything. Politician pulls every theoretical risk from the air in the hope his request for extended emergency powers wont receive too much scrutiny - shocker!Indigo said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12004756/Paris-attacks-Abdelhamid-Abaaoud-police-France-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.htmlRodCrosby said:Sky: French PM warns of possible chemical weapon attacks...
France could face the risk of chemical or bacterial warfare in its fight against Islamist militants, Manuel Valls, the FR said on Thursday.
"We must not rule anything out. I say it with all the precautions needed. But we know and bear in mind that there is also a risk of chemical or bacteriological weapons," Mr Valls told parliament.
"The macabre imagination of the masterminds is limitless," he said in a speech in the lower house of parliament meant to gain approval to an extension of the state of emergency.
It'd be good to know if there's some hard intelligence behind this - it doesn't sound like it. But he's right; there is a risk. The question is how big that risk is, if it is in any way quantifiable.
Just as there is a risk aliens will attack earth0 -
''The problem is if all the laws of this country were rigorously applied in Bradford there would probably be disturbances to put it mildly.''
A depressing but true comment that shows we are far closer to the start of this than the end.0 -
I assumed Help Me was a trap to get officers closer and kill themAndyJS said:
There seems to be some confusion over what the final words of the female suicide bomber were: either "help me" or "God is great" according to different reports.
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I'm not sure 'whether people object to it' should be a consideration in the exercise of the law.AndyJS said:
The problem is if all the laws of this country were rigorously applied in Bradford there would probably be disturbances to put it mildly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Even worse for me is the previous handling of the crimes by the Bradford Police. When is that particular Augean stable going to get a clean out?MarqueeMark said:
The Religion of Peace is not having a good week...Tykejohnno said:Religious intolerance in Bradford ?
Police treat vicious street attack in Bradford by hooded thugs on Christian convert as hate crime
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14040719.Police_treat_vicious_attack_by_hooded_thugs_on_Christian_convert_as_hate_crime/
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But if some large hints were to be dropped that a massive operation was underway, perhaps some would be inclined to seek refuge elsewhere if they had the means to do so.0 -
The French security forces did extremely well to take out that lot without serious casualties of their own.Plato_Says said:I assumed Help Me was a trap to get officers closer and kill them
AndyJS said:There seems to be some confusion over what the final words of the female suicide bomber were: either "help me" or "God is great" according to different reports.
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Nothing to do with Bradford but FGM is illegal yet we know that thousands of women in the UK have been subjected to it. The law isn't being applied in the way it would be if white girls were the victims.Luckyguy1983 said:
I'm not sure 'whether people object to it' should be a consideration in the exercise of the law.AndyJS said:
The problem is if all the laws of this country were rigorously applied in Bradford there would probably be disturbances to put it mildly.Luckyguy1983 said:
Even worse for me is the previous handling of the crimes by the Bradford Police. When is that particular Augean stable going to get a clean out?MarqueeMark said:
The Religion of Peace is not having a good week...Tykejohnno said:Religious intolerance in Bradford ?
Police treat vicious street attack in Bradford by hooded thugs on Christian convert as hate crime
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/14040719.Police_treat_vicious_attack_by_hooded_thugs_on_Christian_convert_as_hate_crime/0 -
That is why it is so important to get back the territory they have seized - to snuff out their state before it gets more power and to show them up as failures. Success will attract others to their cause. Failure has fewer friends.SeanT said:
Well, yes. ISIS actively WANT as much division between Islam and the Rest of the World as possible. This includes China - which has a restive Muslim population in Uighur.Richard_Nabavi said:ISIS seem to be very determined to make as many enemies as possible. Murdering the Chinese hostage is the latest example. That probably removes the last obstacle to getting a strong UN resolution.
They are purposely seeking global religious war, to bring on Koranically-predicted apocalypse. The envisage Islam triumphing amid the ruins.
It's mad but it's what they believe, and once you accept their worldview all their actions make sense, indeed they are often "clever".
However they tread a fine line. They also want to establish a genuine Caliphate - a true Islamic state encompassing as much of the Middle East as possible. Therefore a land invasion by enemy powers which extinguished them would be calamitous, in their eyes, at least until they have the strength to resist. So at the moment they have to go so far, but no further.
For that reason I doubt they would launch nukes or other WMDS, yet. But mass shootings and general terror, hell yes.
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Just as there is a risk aliens will attack earthmalcolmg said:
And now it's the headline story on BBC News online.JosiasJessop said:
Context is everything. Politician pulls every theoretical risk from the air in the hope his request for extended emergency powers wont receive too much scrutiny - shocker!Indigo said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/12004756/Paris-attacks-Abdelhamid-Abaaoud-police-France-terrorist-Islamic-State-flight-live.htmlRodCrosby said:Sky: French PM warns of possible chemical weapon attacks...
France could face the risk of chemical or bacterial warfare in its fight against Islamist militants, Manuel Valls, the FR said on Thursday.
"We must not rule anything out. I say it with all the precautions needed. But we know and bear in mind that there is also a risk of chemical or bacteriological weapons," Mr Valls told parliament.
"The macabre imagination of the masterminds is limitless," he said in a speech in the lower house of parliament meant to gain approval to an extension of the state of emergency.
It'd be good to know if there's some hard intelligence behind this - it doesn't sound like it. But he's right; there is a risk. The question is how big that risk is, if it is in any way quantifiable.
ELIZA, I think you need some alterations to your risk-quantifier module.0 -
''Failure has fewer friends.''
If the west really wanted to, I mean really wanted to destroy ISIS, it could do it tomorrow.0 -
#BREAKING French MPs vote to allow government to block websites, social media under state of emergency0
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That has happened to lots of people at my place of work over the years. Lots of them. Without any negotiation. And the choice was to take it, move - assuming you could find another better paid job, or take redundancy.not_on_fire said:
Let's give you a 20% pay cut at work. I'm sure you'll gladly accept it as it will benefit other employees - none of that 'Me', 'Me', 'Me' nonsense.watford30 said:
It's the 'Me,Me,Me' generation, schooled under Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
So much for the Hippocratic Oath. 98% of inexperienced quacks are more interested in their wallets and comfort than patient welfare. Spoilt brats.not_on_fire said:Wow, 98% vote in favour of the doctors strike on a 76% turnout. How's that for democratic legitimacy?
Lots of people in lots of industries over the last 7/8 years have endured real and nominal pay cuts. Why do doctors think that they alone should be insulated from the consequences of the state running a deficit every year and having to live - like the rest of us - within its means?
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I thought we had gone too many hours without another Labour disaster. Will be an interesting "clarification". I didn't want this to happen, I kow nothing about any letter, despite there being a picture of me grinning while holding the letter up to the camera...0
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Turkey is the key.taffys said:''Failure has fewer friends.''
If the west really wanted to, I mean really wanted to destroy ISIS, it could do it tomorrow.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H&utm_term=138230&subid=12968901&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2
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Absolute classic First Ministers Questions today, highlighting how utterly inept the opposition is in Scotland.
Kezia Dugdale decided to use all four of her questions to blame the SNP for... poor people getting cancer more. It could only be an "attack" that a ridiculously left wing reality deniers like SLAB could even think would have any traction.
But worse followed when, just before Ruthie's two questions, Sturgeon advised that Ruthie had inadvertently emailed her the Tories bullet points for the day, thus Ruthie's question's were batted away with a much richer array of stats than would normally be available.
And to think that on here, there are still zoomers on here who believe that Ruthie is the answer to the SNP in Scotland.
Oh and Jackie Ballie got a question claiming that 94,000 households in Scotland were facing fuel poverty and that this represented 2 million Scots.
You'd think with 21 people per household, body heat alone would keep the places roasty warm.0 -
I think it's time for the 'no real Scotsman' argument to be deployed. Over to you Mrs May.Casino_Royale said:
That can't be true. We keep being told 99.99% disagree with them and are as sickened as we are.SeanT said:Absolutely terrifying survey.
13% of Syrian refugees feel "positive" or "very positive" about ISIS. That means about 130,000 of the 1m refugees now entering Germany, and the EU, are potential ISIS sympathisers.
130,000.
http://english.dohainstitute.org/file/Get/40ebdf12-8960-4d18-8088-7c8a077e522e
Overall about 10-15% of the Arab world sympathises with ISIS. Literally millions of people.0 -
They've been quite impressive over the past few days.Richard_Nabavi said:
The French security forces did extremely well to take out that lot without serious casualties of their own.Plato_Says said:I assumed Help Me was a trap to get officers closer and kill them
AndyJS said:There seems to be some confusion over what the final words of the female suicide bomber were: either "help me" or "God is great" according to different reports.
It does beg the question what they were doing before.0 -
It's interesting that the Government are increasingly putting up Sarah Woollaston as their spokesperson (on WatO at the moment) rather than Hunt. Wise move, I'd say.0
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That's the problem. We're not sure we really do want to.taffys said:''Failure has fewer friends.''
If the west really wanted to, I mean really wanted to destroy ISIS, it could do it tomorrow.
We hope platitudes and pretending its not happening will just make it go away.0 -
If Rubio wins (and he'd first have to win the Republican nomination) I could see a US led ground invasion of ISIS terrority to do precisely that by Summer 2017.Cyclefree said:
That is why it is so important to get back the territory they have seized - to snuff out their state before it gets more power and to show them up as failures. Success will attract others to their cause. Failure has fewer friends.SeanT said:
Well, yes. ISIS actively WANT as much division between Islam and the Rest of the World as possible. This includes China - which has a restive Muslim population in Uighur.Richard_Nabavi said:ISIS seem to be very determined to make as many enemies as possible. Murdering the Chinese hostage is the latest example. That probably removes the last obstacle to getting a strong UN resolution.
They are purposely seeking global religious war, to bring on Koranically-predicted apocalypse. The envisage Islam triumphing amid the ruins.
It's mad but it's what they believe, and once you accept their worldview all their actions make sense, indeed they are often "clever".
However they tread a fine line. They also want to establish a genuine Caliphate - a true Islamic state encompassing as much of the Middle East as possible. Therefore a land invasion by enemy powers which extinguished them would be calamitous, in their eyes, at least until they have the strength to resist. So at the moment they have to go so far, but no further.
For that reason I doubt they would launch nukes or other WMDS, yet. But mass shootings and general terror, hell yes.
Even Hillary, to be fair, would be less used less than Obama. Terrority gives them resources, shelter and credibility.0 -
I don't think that one can really say; they might have been doing a lot and successfully thwarting a whole series of attacks. It's the old 'the bad guys only need to get lucky once' problem.Casino_Royale said:They've been quite impressive over the past few days.
It does beg the question what they were doing before.
Alternatively, it may be that there were vital signs which should not have been missed.
Impossible to tell from the outside.0 -
Mr. Urquhart, Labour cannot maintain this rate of total idiocy. If they try, the party will disintegrate.
In the days after terrorist attacks near our shores, the Labour leader has said he disagrees with shoot to kill for terrorists (and u-turned), and the Shadow Chancellor has apparently (in April of this year) said MI5 ought to be disbanded.
If someone had predicted this a few months ago, they would've been the subject of substantial mockery and mirth.0 -
Dear god no!!!Pulpstar said:
Anjem Choudry as a race relations adviser.Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn may as well get Gerry Adams to review his Northern Ireland policy.Jonathan said:One short sentence that encapsulates almost everything that is wrong the Labour party.
"Ken Livingstone is chairing Labour's defence review"
I'm mean, seriously.0 -
A good article, but chilling in the way it lets horror just drip.
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/6673159506900049920 -
probably not starting world war III is uppermost in the minds of those in chargeCasino_Royale said:
That's the problem. We're not sure we really do want to.taffys said:''Failure has fewer friends.''
If the west really wanted to, I mean really wanted to destroy ISIS, it could do it tomorrow.
We hope platitudes and pretending its not happening will just make it go away.0 -
Hahahaha - brilliant! I hope she milked it for all it was worth - Salmond would have relished that.Dair said:Absolute classic First Ministers Questions today, highlighting how utterly inept the opposition is in Scotland.
Kezia Dugdale decided to use all four of her questions to blame the SNP for... poor people getting cancer more. It could only be an "attack" that a ridiculously left wing reality deniers like SLAB could even think would have any traction.
But worse followed when, just before Ruthie's two questions, Sturgeon advised that Ruthie had inadvertently emailed her the Tories bullet points for the day, thus Ruthie's question's were batted away with a much richer array of stats than would normally be available.
And to think that on here, there are still zoomers on here who believe that Ruthie is the answer to the SNP in Scotland.
Oh and Jackie Ballie got a question claiming that 94,000 households in Scotland were facing fuel poverty and that this represented 2 million Scots.
You'd think with 21 people per household, body heat alone would keep the places roasty warm.0 -
Priceless. Heart of stone, etc, etc.Plato_Says said:0 -
Story on the ringleader's death:
"His body was found riddled with bullets and shrapnel in the shattered apartment in the northern suburb.
However, the cause of death was a heart attack brought on by a strongly worded letter written by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, found clutched in his dead hand." [I may have made up the second sentence].
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OT:
I happened to notice that the UK popcorn industry has grown 50% in 5 years (old article).
Further growth guaranteed...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/11809259/Popcorn-explosion-drives-growth-in-UK-snacks-market.html
IRI data show that overall popcorn sales jumped 38pc to £87.4m in the year to December 6, 2014, making it the fastest growing sub-category in bagged snacks, The Grocer reported.
This echoes a recent report from market research firm Mintel, which shows that UK sales of popcorn rose by 40pc to £105m last year. Meanwhile, the value of the crisps market dropped by 2pc, with Walkers suffering a 4.4pc slump over the past year.0 -
"'Run and hide, don't play dead': What to do in a Paris-style terror attack
UK's National Counter Terrorism Security Office publishes new advice on what to do in gun attack in wake of terrorist atrocities in French capital"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12004769/What-to-do-in-Paris-style-attack-Should-you-run-and-hide-or-play-dead.html0 -
Love the comment under that: "I'm getting sick of popcorn..."Plato_Says said:0 -
BAFTA award for Best Comedy is a foregone conclusion this year.Plato_Says said:"I can say with confidence John McDonnell does not want to disband MI5" @HackneyAbbott tells #bbcdp
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Why does your love hurt so much?Anorak said:
WTF has happened to her face? She looks like that chap from An American Werewolf in London, part-way through his transformation.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. P, speaking of vanity, one of the men who is referred to in You're So Vain named:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34866406
Why?
Why does you love hurt so much?
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"Try pick 'n' mix instead"MarqueeMark said:
Love the comment under that: "I'm getting sick of popcorn..."Plato_Says said:
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Morbidly funny, Mr Dancer!Morris_Dancer said:Story on the ringleader's death:
"His body was found riddled with bullets and shrapnel in the shattered apartment in the northern suburb.
However, the cause of death was a heart attack brought on by a strongly worded letter written by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, found clutched in his dead hand." [I may have made up the second sentence].
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Abbott seems to be the one who gets sent out to take all the rubbish. Surely even she will get sick of this after a while #jezwepopcornAnorak said:
Priceless. Heart of stone, etc, etc.Plato_Says said:0 -
Les Malouines - "of/from St. Malo"CarlottaVance said:British forces in Falkland Islands rescue passengers from stricken French cruise ship:
http://www.worldofcruising.co.uk/engine-room-fire-breaks-out-on-le-boreal/
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This is proper betting politics, as opposed to political betting: http://saynotocoral.com/0
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It will certainly be a key question when the campaign gets properly going. I'm pretty sure Hillary will be more in favour of determined action than Obama. To be fair to him he was elected on a clear ticket of end of Iraqi war and no more such adventures. I can see why he is determined to stay out for the last 12 months of his office.Casino_Royale said:
If Rubio wins (and he'd first have to win the Republican nomination) I could see a US led ground invasion of ISIS terrority to do precisely that by Summer 2017.Cyclefree said:
That is why it is so important to get back the territory they have seized - to snuff out their state before it gets more power and to show them up as failures. Success will attract others to their cause. Failure has fewer friends.SeanT said:
Well, yes. ISIS actively WANT as much division between Islam and the Rest of the World as possible. This includes China - which has a restive Muslim population in Uighur.Richard_Nabavi said:ISIS seem to be very determined to make as many enemies as possible. Murdering the Chinese hostage is the latest example. That probably removes the last obstacle to getting a strong UN resolution.
They are purposely seeking global religious war, to bring on Koranically-predicted apocalypse. The envisage Islam triumphing amid the ruins.
It's mad but it's what they believe, and once you accept their worldview all their actions make sense, indeed they are often "clever".
However they tread a fine line. They also want to establish a genuine Caliphate - a true Islamic state encompassing as much of the Middle East as possible. Therefore a land invasion by enemy powers which extinguished them would be calamitous, in their eyes, at least until they have the strength to resist. So at the moment they have to go so far, but no further.
For that reason I doubt they would launch nukes or other WMDS, yet. But mass shootings and general terror, hell yes.
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Sounds like you need a new job. Thankfully the doctors don't have your self-evidently terrible negotiation skills.Cyclefree said:
That has happened to lots of people at my place of work over the years. Lots of them. Without any negotiation. And the choice was to take it, move - assuming you could find another better paid job, or take redundancy.not_on_fire said:
Let's give you a 20% pay cut at work. I'm sure you'll gladly accept it as it will benefit other employees - none of that 'Me', 'Me', 'Me' nonsense.watford30 said:
It's the 'Me,Me,Me' generation, schooled under Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
So much for the Hippocratic Oath. 98% of inexperienced quacks are more interested in their wallets and comfort than patient welfare. Spoilt brats.not_on_fire said:Wow, 98% vote in favour of the doctors strike on a 76% turnout. How's that for democratic legitimacy?
Lots of people in lots of industries over the last 7/8 years have endured real and nominal pay cuts. Why do doctors think that they alone should be insulated from the consequences of the state running a deficit every year and having to live - like the rest of us - within its means?
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Don't Unseat Jeremy Corbyn AssociationPlato_Says said:One would've thought Tories4Corbyn was a clue.
Richard_Nabavi said:
The psychology is obvious - they don't want to admit that they were mind-blowingly stupid all along, and that the Blairites, Brownites, Tories, and everyone else who warned about Corbyn were right all along, so they need to create a narrative that they've been stabbed in the back. We'll see a lot of that in coming months - we are just at the start of that phase.SeanT said:My lefty friends who backed Corbyn out of 80% despair and 20% pitiful hope are now spitting blood at his Islamohugging feebleness, and general inability to oppose anything the Tories do. They now hate him more than they hate Cameron. Intriguing.
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How many patients do you think will die as a result of strike action?not_on_fire said:
Sounds like you need a new job. Thankfully the doctors don't have your self-evidently terrible negotiation skills.Cyclefree said:
That has happened to lots of people at my place of work over the years. Lots of them. Without any negotiation. And the choice was to take it, move - assuming you could find another better paid job, or take redundancy.not_on_fire said:
Let's give you a 20% pay cut at work. I'm sure you'll gladly accept it as it will benefit other employees - none of that 'Me', 'Me', 'Me' nonsense.watford30 said:
It's the 'Me,Me,Me' generation, schooled under Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
So much for the Hippocratic Oath. 98% of inexperienced quacks are more interested in their wallets and comfort than patient welfare. Spoilt brats.not_on_fire said:Wow, 98% vote in favour of the doctors strike on a 76% turnout. How's that for democratic legitimacy?
Lots of people in lots of industries over the last 7/8 years have endured real and nominal pay cuts. Why do doctors think that they alone should be insulated from the consequences of the state running a deficit every year and having to live - like the rest of us - within its means?0 -
Abbott is sent out to bat for her team because she is a vacuous idiot with no political credibility to damage – And she’ll never get sick of doing it.rottenborough said:
Abbott seems to be the one who gets sent out to take all the rubbish. Surely even she will get sick of this after a while #jezwepopcornAnorak said:
Priceless. Heart of stone, etc, etc.Plato_Says said:0 -
robert webb tore up his labour membership last night... explaining why here..
labour luvvies even leaving lefties.... LOL
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But heart not in it now, any of it. Obvs lots of decent people voted for JC; I think they made a mistake but wish them well. That's it (4/4)
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There's probably more to it than that & maybe I'll try to write about it next time I feel going 10 rounds with the Corbytrons (3/4)
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Lots of reasons, none of them especially noble, eg giving the likes of Seumas Milne £11 a month makes me feel sick. (2/4)
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Regarding the slight ooby-doo, didn't mean to make some big deal announcement, was just chatting, albeit loudly in public (1/4)
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Lack of good Intelligence I suggest.Casino_Royale said:
They've been quite impressive over the past few days.Richard_Nabavi said:
The French security forces did extremely well to take out that lot without serious casualties of their own.Plato_Says said:I assumed Help Me was a trap to get officers closer and kill them
AndyJS said:There seems to be some confusion over what the final words of the female suicide bomber were: either "help me" or "God is great" according to different reports.
It does beg the question what they were doing before.
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Go on, Portillo - make it your "Moment of the Week".....SimonStClare said:
Abbott is sent out to bat for her team because she is a vacuous idiot with no political credibility to damage – And she’ll never get sick of doing it.rottenborough said:
Abbott seems to be the one who gets sent out to take all the rubbish. Surely even she will get sick of this after a while #jezwepopcornAnorak said:
Priceless. Heart of stone, etc, etc.Plato_Says said:0 -
@not_on_fire
'Sounds like you need a new job. Thankfully the doctors don't have your self-evidently terrible negotiation skills.'
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"My Bradshaw's Guide tells me that Diane Abbott in her prime was a woman of supreme intellect but tempered with a marked degree of impetuosity."MarqueeMark said:
Go on, Portillo - make it your "Moment of the Week".....SimonStClare said:
Abbott is sent out to bat for her team because she is a vacuous idiot with no political credibility to damage – And she’ll never get sick of doing it.rottenborough said:
Abbott seems to be the one who gets sent out to take all the rubbish. Surely even she will get sick of this after a while #jezwepopcornAnorak said:
Priceless. Heart of stone, etc, etc.Plato_Says said:0 -
Been at the cinema. Have I missed anything ? Has Corbyn made Gerry Adams his Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary yet?0
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'Sanskari' James Bond: Indians ridicule cuts to Spectre kisses
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They certainly need a reality check. A sense of professionalism too, if they want to be thought of as professionals. And a recognition that their salaries are paid for by others' taxes. Others who earn less, have less job security, have endured far more hardship than doctors and who depend on them.not_on_fire said:
Sounds like you need a new job. Thankfully the doctors don't have your self-evidently terrible negotiation skills.Cyclefree said:
That has happened to lots of people at my place of work over the years. Lots of them. Without any negotiation. And the choice was to take it, move - assuming you could find another better paid job, or take redundancy.not_on_fire said:
Let's give you a 20% pay cut at work. I'm sure you'll gladly accept it as it will benefit other employees - none of that 'Me', 'Me', 'Me' nonsense.watford30 said:
It's the 'Me,Me,Me' generation, schooled under Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
So much for the Hippocratic Oath. 98% of inexperienced quacks are more interested in their wallets and comfort than patient welfare. Spoilt brats.not_on_fire said:Wow, 98% vote in favour of the doctors strike on a 76% turnout. How's that for democratic legitimacy?
Lots of people in lots of industries over the last 7/8 years have endured real and nominal pay cuts. Why do doctors think that they alone should be insulated from the consequences of the state running a deficit every year and having to live - like the rest of us - within its means?0 -
"They haven't gone away, you know!"TheScreamingEagles said:Been at the cinema. Have I missed anything ? Has Corbyn made Gerry Adams his Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary yet?
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Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Blinding piece from Dan Hodges. Token poke at Corbyn at the start, of course.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12005444/The-Iraq-war-does-not-absolve-the-Paris-terrorists.html
So how about this. How about we all agree who and what is really making us “less safe”? It is the men who want to kill us, who are making us less safe. Who want to gun us down in our restaurants because we are “pagans”. Who want to blow our limbs off when we are in our concert halls because we are “prostitutes”. Who want to wreak havoc and carnage not as part of some “cause” – however misguided – but because they want to. Because they enjoy it.
They are to blame for Paris. And we need to say so. Again, and again, and again.0 -
Haven't seen any of the Hungry Games movies, but hope to see the first one tonight on Film4.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Only the latest implausible lies.TheScreamingEagles said:Been at the cinema. Have I missed anything ? Has Corbyn made Gerry Adams his Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary yet?
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Omfg just seen the Abbott video.
@wallaceme: Labour say McDonnell thought he was posing with "principles...not the demands". The paper is headed "OUR DEMANDS". https://t.co/veTO58uEwm
@wallaceme: How long before McDonnell retreats to the defence that he cannot read English?0 -
Any good?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Steady on! John McDonnell was single-handedly responsible for the Northern Ireland Peace Process!TheScreamingEagles said:Omfg just seen the Abbott video.
@wallaceme: Labour say McDonnell thought he was posing with "principles...not the demands". The paper is headed "OUR DEMANDS". https://t.co/veTO58uEwm
@wallaceme: How long before McDonnell retreats to the defence that he cannot read English?0 -
I enjoyed it. It was my first time with 4DX and that made it an interesting time.Lennon said:
Any good?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Off topic: Some rather splendid bicycle riding, with some lovely uses of trompe d'oeil and false perspective. Very skilful chap.
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Absolutely blistering. And right. And will be ignored by those who need to read and understand it.Anorak said:Blinding piece from Dan Hodges. Token poke at Corbyn at the start, of course.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12005444/The-Iraq-war-does-not-absolve-the-Paris-terrorists.html
So how about this. How about we all agree who and what is really making us “less safe”? It is the men who want to kill us, who are making us less safe. Who want to gun us down in our restaurants because we are “pagans”. Who want to blow our limbs off when we are in our concert halls because we are “prostitutes”. Who want to wreak havoc and carnage not as part of some “cause” – however misguided – but because they want to. Because they enjoy it.
They are to blame for Paris. And we need to say so. Again, and again, and again.
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The Tessa Jowell Defence.Tissue_Price said:
Only the latest implausible lies.TheScreamingEagles said:Been at the cinema. Have I missed anything ? Has Corbyn made Gerry Adams his Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary yet?
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I thought Part 1 was the best film I saw last year. Looking forward to II this weekend.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
the illiteracy claim worked for Harry RedknappSunil_Prasannan said:
Steady on! John McDonnell was single-handedly responsible for the Northern Ireland Peace Process!TheScreamingEagles said:Omfg just seen the Abbott video.
@wallaceme: Labour say McDonnell thought he was posing with "principles...not the demands". The paper is headed "OUR DEMANDS". https://t.co/veTO58uEwm
@wallaceme: How long before McDonnell retreats to the defence that he cannot read English?
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I'm torn:DavidL said:
I thought Part 1 was the best film I saw last year. Looking forward to II this weekend.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Should I watch the first Hunger Games on Film4?
Or Wayne's World on "Five-Star"?
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Why oh why do the modern commentariat continually pedal this bullsh*t. OF COURSE the perpetrators bear full responsibility for their actions, and those responsible for Iraq bear full responsibility for creating the right conditions for them to do so. Blame is not a single peice of pie that if you try and give someone a bit it reduces everyone else's portion. Anyone with more than two brain cells to keep each other company undestands this.Anorak said:Blinding piece from Dan Hodges. Token poke at Corbyn at the start, of course.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12005444/The-Iraq-war-does-not-absolve-the-Paris-terrorists.html
So how about this. How about we all agree who and what is really making us “less safe”? It is the men who want to kill us, who are making us less safe. Who want to gun us down in our restaurants because we are “pagans”. Who want to blow our limbs off when we are in our concert halls because we are “prostitutes”. Who want to wreak havoc and carnage not as part of some “cause” – however misguided – but because they want to. Because they enjoy it.
They are to blame for Paris. And we need to say so. Again, and again, and again.
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Surbiton impression: "Cool, Labour only 2% behind on the raw data"TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Junior doctors are a posh version of the militant Tube drivers, but with a greater sense of entitlement.Cyclefree said:
They certainly need a reality check. A sense of professionalism too, if they want to be thought of as professionals. And a recognition that their salaries are paid for by others' taxes. Others who earn less, have less job security, have endured far more hardship than doctors and who depend on them.not_on_fire said:
Sounds like you need a new job. Thankfully the doctors don't have your self-evidently terrible negotiation skills.Cyclefree said:
That has happened to lots of people at my place of work over the years. Lots of them. Without any negotiation. And the choice was to take it, move - assuming you could find another better paid job, or take redundancy.not_on_fire said:
Let's give you a 20% pay cut at work. I'm sure you'll gladly accept it as it will benefit other employees - none of that 'Me', 'Me', 'Me' nonsense.watford30 said:
It's the 'Me,Me,Me' generation, schooled under Labour.MonikerDiCanio said:
So much for the Hippocratic Oath. 98% of inexperienced quacks are more interested in their wallets and comfort than patient welfare. Spoilt brats.not_on_fire said:Wow, 98% vote in favour of the doctors strike on a 76% turnout. How's that for democratic legitimacy?
Lots of people in lots of industries over the last 7/8 years have endured real and nominal pay cuts. Why do doctors think that they alone should be insulated from the consequences of the state running a deficit every year and having to live - like the rest of us - within its means?0 -
Not quite on Part I's level but a fitting end to the seriesDavidL said:
I thought Part 1 was the best film I saw last year. Looking forward to II this weekend.TheScreamingEagles said:
Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Way to miss the point, Lucky. Then again, Kudos for not claiming that Paris was a false flag operation by Mossad.Luckyguy1983 said:
Why oh why do the modern commentariat continually pedal this bullsh*t. OF COURSE the perpetrators bear full responsibility for their actions, and those responsible for Iraq bear full responsibility for creating the right conditions for them to do so. Blame is not a single peice of pie that if you try and give someone a bit it reduces everyone else's portion. Anyone with more than two brain cells to keep each other company undestands this.Anorak said:Blinding piece from Dan Hodges. Token poke at Corbyn at the start, of course.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12005444/The-Iraq-war-does-not-absolve-the-Paris-terrorists.html
So how about this. How about we all agree who and what is really making us “less safe”? It is the men who want to kill us, who are making us less safe. Who want to gun us down in our restaurants because we are “pagans”. Who want to blow our limbs off when we are in our concert halls because we are “prostitutes”. Who want to wreak havoc and carnage not as part of some “cause” – however misguided – but because they want to. Because they enjoy it.
They are to blame for Paris. And we need to say so. Again, and again, and again.0 -
Is that with 4 dominatrix? Brave man.TheScreamingEagles said:
I enjoyed it. It was my first time with 4DX and that made it an interesting time.Lennon said:
Any good?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
2 point Tory lead among all voters becomes a 7 per cent leader when the turnout filter is applied.0
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http://www1.cineworld.co.uk/4dx/philiph said:
Is that with 4 dominatrix? Brave man.TheScreamingEagles said:
I enjoyed it. It was my first time with 4DX and that made it an interesting time.Lennon said:
Any good?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mockingjay Part II.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Two-point, not three point? Left-hand pie-chart?TheScreamingEagles said:3 point Tory lead among all voters becomes a 7 per cent leader when the turnout filter is applied.
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Some background on Labour's Chief in charge of the Defence Policy Review - http://hurryupharry.org/2015/11/19/ken-livingstone’s-sheikh-and-corbyn’s-labour/
Note for Maria Eagle: Livingstone's favourite Islamist favours beating women.0 -
What should really terrify the dwindling band of sane Labour members is that the public have so far barely registered who John McDonnell is.0
