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Very painful, IIRCkle4 said:
Sounds like the stuff they used to have in most public toilets - bizarre stuff, entirely unable to do the one job it was supposed to do. I was convinced as a child it was designed to get people not to use such facilities (that it was often found in ones with stainless steel toilets with no seat rims only seemed to back that up).Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.
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His response will be simple. "We may lose the vote today, and the result may deal this party a grave blow. It may not be possible to prevent it, but there are some of us, I think many of us, who will not accept that this blow need be mortal: who will not believe that such an end is inevitable. There are some of us who will fight, and fight, and fight again, to save the party we love. We will fight, and fight, and fight again, to bring back sanity and honesty and dignity, so that our party – with its great past – may retain its glory and its greatness."SouthamObserver said:Very interesting on QT. If Labour's review commits the party to Trident how can Corbyn continue as the party's leader given he would not be able to abide by the results of a process he initiated.
Just with the position reversed
Poor old Hugh, turning in your grave, your flag's not so blue now is it?0 -
So nothing about Thomson then.Scott_P said:For the hard of understanding...
Messer first informally told the Crown Office in December 2014 that Hales had been struck off by the SSDT for suspected mortgage fraud, during a routine quarterly meeting between the two organisations. Crown Office lawyers asked Messer to provide them with detailed case files but failed to get them.
But it's still all some weird conspiracy where half of Scotland, that votes Yes, is not working in cahoots to undermine the Loyalist cause.
Farcical.0 -
Well that is a givenBig_G_NorthWales said:
Just not electable - simpleHYUFD said:
Simple, he just would not press the button rendering it effectively redundant anywaySouthamObserver said:Very interesting on QT. If Labour's review commits the party to Trident how can Corbyn continue as the party's leader given he would not be able to abide by the results of a process he initiated.
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Are you counting academies etc which are not run by the authorities?SouthamObserver said:
The flaw in your argument is that schools run by left wing local authorities in London are among the best performing in the UK.JEO said:
It's true across schools. The firmer the discipline, the greater the emphasis on character, the deeper the culture of respect, the better the school. Children need structure and values, the more so if they are from unstructured and valueless family backgrounds.ReggieCide said:
This is not a very wide sampleJEO said:
Conservatism works.SeanT said:On a more positive and harmonious note, I've just been to see a school in north London, on their open day (I'm checking out secondaries for my older daughter).
The particular school we visited tonight is a state comp: it used to be terrible, it almost closed down a few years ago, it has majority non-white British intake, lots of kids with special needs, lots of kids entitled to free school meals. A recipe for disaster.
In the last few years, the new staff have imposed a very strict code of discipline: absolute insistence on uniform, 2 hours homework a night, all the teachers called Sir or Madam. Also, it has gone from being mildly Catholic to fiercely Catholic - prayers every day, nuns in the corridor, 3 hours RE a week, etc etc. There are British flags on the wall in several classrooms, demanding respect for British values.
It is now a Good school with some Outstanding aspects, sending black, WWC and Muslim kids to Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, etc, last year.
Something is going RIGHT in some multicultural London schools, yet it is being done by a reversion to quite old-fashioned British schooling.
This is why free schools and academies were such a brilliant idea. You free headteachers to make the reforms that both they and parents know work. The left-wing local authorities and unions that allow ideology to triumph over experience are removed from the equation.0 -
Crinkly Bottom.Sean_F said:
Very painful, IIRCkle4 said:
Sounds like the stuff they used to have in most public toilets - bizarre stuff, entirely unable to do the one job it was supposed to do. I was convinced as a child it was designed to get people not to use such facilities (that it was often found in ones with stainless steel toilets with no seat rims only seemed to back that up).Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.0 -
Charlotte Church is a better advocate for the Welsh than Leanne Wood.0
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Charles Moore makes the very sensible point more people in Wales voted UKIP than for Plaid Cymru in May0
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I am rather liking Charlotte Church. I can see next years assembly elections being more significant than the Scots ones.kle4 said:
I always get this nagging worry when seeing someone talking about politics who appears to be quite dim, because quite often they also espouse, directly or otherwise, the idea that everyone would agree with them if they understood things properly - that is, that everyone else is being dim if they disagree, so if I say they are wrong because they are dim, am I doing the same thing?Plato_Says said:She's coming across as rather dim, irrespective of her political persuasion.
flightpath01 said:
Church is a key Corbynite demographic. Thick as two short planks.JEO said:Charlotte Church claim Corbyn had the biggest mandate of any party leader in British history. I would have thought winning three general elections would be a bigger mandate...
Well these days she is off key.
I may be overthinking things in fairness- I think I have too much self doubt for political activity, as you either need to be arrogant or confident enough to be near certain you are correct in your beliefs, and for that you need to be someone of rare assurance and ability and fully aware of the worth of your knowledge and sight, or pretty thick and not knowing any better.0 -
Charlotte Church is barmy, no wonder you like her.Dair said:Charlotte Church is a better advocate for the Welsh than Leanne Wood.
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I wonder what religion the killer belonged to?0 -
But it has equivalents across London. Labour and Tory boroughs massively outperform schools elsewhere in the UK.SeanT said:
School I was at tonight is in a Tory borough.SouthamObserver said:
The flaw in your argument is that schools run by left wing local authorities in London are among the best performing in the UK.JEO said:
It's true across schools. The firmer the discipline, the greater the emphasis on character, the deeper the culture of respect, the better the school. Children need structure and values, the more so if they are from unstructured and valueless family backgrounds.ReggieCide said:
This is not a very wide sampleJEO said:
Conservatism works.SeanT said:On a more positive and harmonious note, I've just been to see a school in north London, on their open day (I'm checking out secondaries for my older daughter).
The particular school we visited tonight is a state comp: it used to be terrible, it almost closed down a few years ago, it has majority non-white British intake, lots of kids with special needs, lots of kids entitled to free school meals. A recipe for disaster.
In the last few years, the new staff have imposed a very strict code of discipline: absolute insistence on uniform, 2 hours homework a night, all the teachers called Sir or Madam. Also, it has gone from being mildly Catholic to fiercely Catholic - prayers every day, nuns in the corridor, 3 hours RE a week, etc etc. There are British flags on the wall in several classrooms, demanding respect for British values.
It is now a Good school with some Outstanding aspects, sending black, WWC and Muslim kids to Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, etc, last year.
Something is going RIGHT in some multicultural London schools, yet it is being done by a reversion to quite old-fashioned British schooling.
This is why free schools and academies were such a brilliant idea. You free headteachers to make the reforms that both they and parents know work. The left-wing local authorities and unions that allow ideology to triumph over experience are removed from the equation.
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How on Earth are people arguing that Wales doesn't get its fair share of funding? It is one of the most subsidised parts of the whole UK.0
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Jeremy Corbyn is focussing on taking control of party structures. Policy can wait until that's achieved.
He's doing well on carrying out his allotted task. Once you realise that his current plans have nothing to do with persuading the electorate, his actions become much more rational.0 -
For a Party leader - she's incredibly inarticulate.HYUFD said:
Charles Moore makes the very sensible point more people in Wales voted UKIP than for Plaid Cymru in May
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And his MP's will do what he always did - defy him and vote for in such large numbers he will become a lame duck, if he's not one alreadyMikeL said:
Yes.SouthamObserver said:Very interesting on QT. If Labour's review commits the party to Trident how can Corbyn continue as the party's leader given he would not be able to abide by the results of a process he initiated.
But Corbyn is going to ensure it's decided by a full vote of party members / affiliates / supporters - and that means that Corbyn will win - they will vote to scrap Trident.0 -
They are sponsored by IZAL?Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
Apparently they put about 5000 items onto a Liberty Ship containing all the necessaries for all 6 battalions, sorry teams, hitting the beaches of the UK this year. I imagine the toilet paper will be eclipsed by the miles of gauze and binding tape they use for a typical game.
So here is the tie break question.
There are 220 in the party so dividing 350 by 220 and factoring the average size of a typical US breakfast with grits and the eggs over easy, and multiplying by the coefficient of expansion of the lower colon spread over 65 hours, and allowing for time difference - how many sheets per week per quarterback hour are used in the regular season in the central league?
I'm sure the kids in SeanT's school will blitz the answer.0 -
Stephen Kinnock seems to have a bit of a lisp0
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As toilet paper it was useless.Sean_F said:
Very painful, IIRCkle4 said:
Sounds like the stuff they used to have in most public toilets - bizarre stuff, entirely unable to do the one job it was supposed to do. I was convinced as a child it was designed to get people not to use such facilities (that it was often found in ones with stainless steel toilets with no seat rims only seemed to back that up).Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.0 -
Is Corbyn making that funny condescending snorty-sniff noise yet?MyBurningEars said:
His response will be simple. "We may lose the vote today, and the result may deal this party a grave blow. It may not be possible to prevent it, but there are some of us, I think many of us, who will not accept that this blow need be mortal: who will not believe that such an end is inevitable. There are some of us who will fight, and fight, and fight again, to save the party we love. We will fight, and fight, and fight again, to bring back sanity and honesty and dignity, so that our party – with its great past – may retain its glory and its greatness."SouthamObserver said:Very interesting on QT. If Labour's review commits the party to Trident how can Corbyn continue as the party's leader given he would not be able to abide by the results of a process he initiated.
Just with the position reversed
Poor old Hugh, turning in your grave, your flag's not so blue now is it?0 -
Her one good point was that Labour have ran Wales for 17 years and should be kicked out.Plato_Says said:For a Party leader - she's incredibly inarticulate.
HYUFD said:Charles Moore makes the very sensible point more people in Wales voted UKIP than for Plaid Cymru in May
She never made clear why PC are the alternative that should go in their place.0 -
I don't want to add extra heat to this debate, but I thought I'd sling the word "multifactorial" in. Complex changes in a complex system have complex effects.Philip_Thompson said:
Are you counting academies etc which are not run by the authorities?SouthamObserver said:
The flaw in your argument is that schools run by left wing local authorities in London are among the best performing in the UK.JEO said:
It's true across schools. The firmer the discipline, the greater the emphasis on character, the deeper the culture of respect, the better the school. Children need structure and values, the more so if they are from unstructured and valueless family backgrounds.ReggieCide said:
This is not a very wide sampleJEO said:
Conservatism works.SeanT said:On a more positive and harmonious note, I've just been to see a school in north London, on their open day (I'm checking out secondaries for my older daughter).
The particular school we visited tonight is a state comp: it used to be terrible, it almost closed down a few years ago, it has majority non-white British intake, lots of kids with special needs, lots of kids entitled to free school meals. A recipe for disaster.
In the last few years, the new staff have imposed a very strict code of discipline: absolute insistence on uniform, 2 hours homework a night, all the teachers called Sir or Madam. Also, it has gone from being mildly Catholic to fiercely Catholic - prayers every day, nuns in the corridor, 3 hours RE a week, etc etc. There are British flags on the wall in several classrooms, demanding respect for British values.
It is now a Good school with some Outstanding aspects, sending black, WWC and Muslim kids to Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, etc, last year.
Something is going RIGHT in some multicultural London schools, yet it is being done by a reversion to quite old-fashioned British schooling.
This is why free schools and academies were such a brilliant idea. You free headteachers to make the reforms that both they and parents know work. The left-wing local authorities and unions that allow ideology to triumph over experience are removed from the equation.
http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/sep/30/london-schools-success-gradual-improvements-not-policies-lse-ifs-report
That's a surprisingly nuanced report in the Guardian, who are very prone to congratulating New Labour and the "London Challenge" in particular... this piece actually reflects positively on the abolition of the ILEA under Thatcher!0 -
Sean, you may be interested that this approach of a highly structured environment, with high expectation and rigorous social rules seems to work in deprived US city centres too. Here are two very successful schools for disadvantaged kids in Baltimore - home of The Wire (which was a pretty accurate depiction of the neighborhoods these kids come from):SeanT said:
It's not money that has changed the school I visited, it's a change in attitude. It's a school saying - this is a Christian school, with BRITISH values. Wear your damn uniform, do your damn homework, call the teacher Sir or Madam, and you will prosper. If not, you will be punished and then expelled. And remember this is a school with a very tough intake, judging by free school meals.EPG said:
London's getting wealthier, which is great for London and you will mostly hear these stories about a small number of London schools.JEO said:
Conservatism works.SeanT said:On a more positive and harmonious note, I've just been to see a school in north London, on their open day (I'm checking out secondaries for my older daughter).
The particular school we visited tonight is a state comp: it used to be terrible, it almost closed down a few years ago, it has majority non-white British intake, lots of kids with special needs, lots of kids entitled to free school meals. A recipe for disaster.
In the last few years, the new staff have imposed a very strict code of discipline: absolute insistence on uniform, 2 hours homework a night, all the teachers called Sir or Madam. Also, it has gone from being mildly Catholic to fiercely Catholic - prayers every day, nuns in the corridor, 3 hours RE a week, etc etc. There are British flags on the wall in several classrooms, demanding respect for British values.
It is now a Good school with some Outstanding aspects, sending black, WWC and Muslim kids to Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, etc, last year.
Something is going RIGHT in some multicultural London schools, yet it is being done by a reversion to quite old-fashioned British schooling.
The head boy was a black kid doing 4 A levels, the girl who showed us around was a black girl bursting with pride about her school, and going on to Uni.
It was quite inspiring. And encouraging. How often do you visit a school that has a poster of the Queen on the wall and another poster next to it, emblazoned with the Union Jack, saying Respect British Values.
And you know what? The open day of the school was so over subscribed, this evening, they had to open a second hall for aspiring parents to hear the head's speech. I'd say 80% of them were immigrants or non-Brit.
http://www.baltimoremagazine.net/old-site/this-month/2008/07/planting-a-seed-in-baltimore
http://www.bmoremedia.com/features/cristoreybaltimore082311.aspx
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Have to say - I'm really rating Stephen Crabb - I thought he was another talking media head not SOS for Wales.0
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Charlotte Church is one of the most bumbling, inarticulate, incoherent guests I've ever seen on Question Time. If she is representative of the Jezlamists they really are in trouble.0
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Charlotte Church is as ignorant about the world as most lefties are; hm perhaps a little more.0
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Indeed. Not to bring down the discussion, but on reflection i am baffled as to how what was clearly just tracing paper was apparently widely used as a product across many decades, when it fulfilled not a single criteria for its intended purpose. It'd be like making bricks with the consistency of a fresh loaf of bread and still trying to build houses with them decades later. Only with more posterior discomfort.Sean_F said:
Very painful, IIRCkle4 said:
Sounds like the stuff they used to have in most public toilets - bizarre stuff, entirely unable to do the one job it was supposed to do. I was convinced as a child it was designed to get people not to use such facilities (that it was often found in ones with stainless steel toilets with no seat rims only seemed to back that up).Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.
But enough of that.0 -
London schools generally significantly outperform those in the rest of the country:Philip_Thompson said:
Are you counting academies etc which are not run by the authorities?SouthamObserver said:
The flaw in your argument is that schools run by left wing local authorities in London are among the best performing in the UK.JEO said:
It's true across schools. The firmer the discipline, the greater the emphasis on character, the deeper the culture of respect, the better the school. Children need structure and values, the more so if they are from unstructured and valueless family backgrounds.ReggieCide said:
This is not a very wide sampleJEO said:
Conservatism works.SeanT said:On a more positive and harmonious note, I've just been to see a school in north London, on their open day (I'm checking out secondaries for my older daughter).
The particular school we visited tonight is a state comp: it used to be terrible, it almost closed down a few years ago, it has majority non-white British intake, lots of kids with special needs, lots of kids entitled to free school meals. A recipe for disaster.
In the last few years, the new staff have imposed a very strict code of discipline: absolute insistence on uniform, 2 hours homework a night, all the teachers called Sir or Madam. Also, it has gone from being mildly Catholic to fiercely Catholic - prayers every day, nuns in the corridor, 3 hours RE a week, etc etc. There are British flags on the wall in several classrooms, demanding respect for British values.
It is now a Good school with some Outstanding aspects, sending black, WWC and Muslim kids to Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, etc, last year.
Something is going RIGHT in some multicultural London schools, yet it is being done by a reversion to quite old-fashioned British schooling.
This is why free schools and academies were such a brilliant idea. You free headteachers to make the reforms that both they and parents know work. The left-wing local authorities and unions that allow ideology to triumph over experience are removed from the equation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-191514710 -
Where did the BBC get this QT audience? They're more representative of UK opinion than I've ever seen.0
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While it's tough to judge a BBC QT audience Charlotte Church seems to represent Corbynite lunacy vocally tonight and is getting no backing from the audience. Not a single clap after her rambling just now on Syria.0
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Stephen Kinnock is a pompous ass. Got booed defending the Labour government in Wales.
Can another Labour bastion fall?0 -
How pissed off and helpless does Obama look and sound.
No doubt Fox will find a way to blame the Democrats.0 -
Charlotte Church giving an opinion on Syria or anything is just surrealPhilip_Thompson said:While it's tough to judge a BBC QT audience Charlotte Church seems to represent Corbynite lunacy vocally tonight and is getting no backing from the audience. Not a single clap after her rambling just now on Syria.
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You didn't answer the question. The schools that are doing well in London are the ones that aren't controlled by the local authorities.SouthamObserver said:
London schools generally significantly outperform those in the rest of the country:Philip_Thompson said:
Are you counting academies etc which are not run by the authorities?SouthamObserver said:
The flaw in your argument is that schools run by left wing local authorities in London are among the best performing in the UK.JEO said:
It's true across schools. The firmer the discipline, the greater the emphasis on character, the deeper the culture of respect, the better the school. Children need structure and values, the more so if they are from unstructured and valueless family backgrounds.ReggieCide said:
This is not a very wide sampleJEO said:
Conservatism works.SeanT said:On a more positive and harmonious note, I've just been to see a school in north London, on their open day (I'm checking out secondaries for my older daughter).
The particular school we visited tonight is a state comp: it used to be terrible, it almost closed down a few years ago, it has majority non-white British intake, lots of kids with special needs, lots of kids entitled to free school meals. A recipe for disaster.
In the last few years, the new staff have imposed a very strict code of discipline: absolute insistence on uniform, 2 hours homework a night, all the teachers called Sir or Madam. Also, it has gone from being mildly Catholic to fiercely Catholic - prayers every day, nuns in the corridor, 3 hours RE a week, etc etc. There are British flags on the wall in several classrooms, demanding respect for British values.
It is now a Good school with some Outstanding aspects, sending black, WWC and Muslim kids to Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, etc, last year.
Something is going RIGHT in some multicultural London schools, yet it is being done by a reversion to quite old-fashioned British schooling.
This is why free schools and academies were such a brilliant idea. You free headteachers to make the reforms that both they and parents know work. The left-wing local authorities and unions that allow ideology to triumph over experience are removed from the equation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-191514710 -
IIRC it was 'medicated'. I think the trademark was 'San Izal'.kle4 said:
Indeed. Not to bring down the discussion, but on reflection i am baffled as to how what was clearly just tracing paper was apparently widely used as a product across many decades, when it fulfilled not a single criteria for its intended purpose. It'd be like making bricks with the consistency of a fresh loaf of bread and still trying to build houses with them decades later. Only with more posterior discomfort.Sean_F said:
Very painful, IIRCkle4 said:
Sounds like the stuff they used to have in most public toilets - bizarre stuff, entirely unable to do the one job it was supposed to do. I was convinced as a child it was designed to get people not to use such facilities (that it was often found in ones with stainless steel toilets with no seat rims only seemed to back that up).Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.
But enough of that.0 -
SouthamObserver said:
Probably more to do with the backgrounds of the immigrants whose children attend them rather than anything intended Govt policy. The Trojan horse schools did fantastically when they went soloPhilip_Thompson said:
London schools generally significantly outperform those in the rest of the country:SouthamObserver said:
Are you counting academies etc which are not run by the authorities?JEO said:
The flaw in your argument is that schools run by left wing local authorities in London are among the best performing in the UK.ReggieCide said:
It's true across schools. The firmer the discipline, the greater the emphasis on character, the deeper the culture of respect, the better the school. Children need structure and values, the more so if they are from unstructured and valueless family backgrounds.JEO said:
This is not a very wide sampleSeanT said:On a more positive and harmonious note, I've just been to see a school in north London, on their open day (I'm checking out secondaries for my older daughter).
This is why free schools and academies were such a brilliant idea. You free headteachers to make the reforms that both they and parents know work. The left-wing local authorities and unions that allow ideology to triumph over experience are removed from the equation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19151471
"In the latest study, academics sought to assess the reasons pupils in London score significantly better GCSEs results than the rest of England
The findings cast doubt over claims from the previous government and teachers’ leaders that Labour’s flagship “London Challenge” programme – extra funding to promote collaborative working between schools – was the main reason for improved results in the capital.
Prof Burgess said: “My interpretation of these results leads to a focus on pupil aspiration, ambition and engagement. There is nothing inherently different in the ability of pupils from different ethnic backgrounds, but the children of relatively recent immigrants typically have greater hopes and expectations of education, and are, on average, more likely to be engaged with their school work.
“This is not by chance of course. A key point about London is its attraction to migrants and those aspiring to a better life.”"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11223747/Schools-with-large-migrant-intake-get-better-GCSE-results.html0 -
Der lange Marsch durch die Institutionen includes, for the radicals, the corridors of the Labour party machinery.antifrank said:Jeremy Corbyn is focussing on taking control of party structures. Policy can wait until that's achieved.
He's doing well on carrying out his allotted task. Once you realise that his current plans have nothing to do with persuading the electorate, his actions become much more rational.
The Corbynistas give him the weight of numbers he needs to change not just the face of Labour, but its workings and compositions, for a generation. I'm not convinced he expects to be PM in 2020, I'm sure he knows in his hearts of hearts that it's unlikely to happen. But I'm not convinced he thinks he's a lame duck because of it, either.
Reminds me in a strange way of Blair in 2006. Free from the pressure of ever having to win an election, but obliged to make his mark felt in his remaining time. Blair attempted a final flurry of radical public sector reform, but because he did not truly control his party he was unable to make any headway. Corbyn will attempt radical party reform, and although his position within the PLP is unpromising, he seems to have enough willing hands on enough levers that he might just have a shot at it.0 -
A take over, as I said weeks ago. Once the £3ers began to make their presence felt and the corbynite rallies with their warm up acts and the messiah cult began to take hold, surely it was clear to everyone what was going on. Furthermore it is a take over by the Stop The War campaign, Corbyn was its Chairman after all. Throw in the Anti Globalisation great unwashed hard left street fighting rioters for good measure who have temporarily morphed into Anti Austerity urchins.antifrank said:Jeremy Corbyn is focussing on taking control of party structures. Policy can wait until that's achieved.
He's doing well on carrying out his allotted task. Once you realise that his current plans have nothing to do with persuading the electorate, his actions become much more rational.0 -
You had ROLLS of paper?Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.
Fooking luxury.
We had to pick it out of a box sheet by sheet.
And it wasn't absorbent, no, it was like waxed paper, shiny when new, smearing was the best you could hope for.
Wiping?
Fooking luxury.
** This is not a joke, this is actually what it was, a small rectangular box of individual, shiny, non absorbent sheets.0 -
That doesn't answer the question. As the article you've linked to actually states a large number of London schools are academies as they were the most struggling and it is taking them OUT of authority control which has increased their performance.SouthamObserver said:
London schools generally significantly outperform those in the rest of the country:Philip_Thompson said:Are you counting academies etc which are not run by the authorities?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19151471
When a school performance goes up when it is taken out of authority control and made an academy then that does not demonstrate that the authority was managing the school well. Quite the opposite in fact! Your evidence undermines rather than supports your premise, the authority was the problem and giving power to academies rather than the authority is a working solution.0 -
SNP hold Glenrothes shockeroonie.0
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I didn't think he was pompous - just terribly unconvincingfoxinsoxuk said:
Stephen Kinnock is a pompous ass. Got booed defending the Labour government in Wales.
Can another Labour bastion fall?0 -
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Glenrothes West & Kinglassie (Fife) result:
SNP - 59.0% (+16.5)
LAB - 31.9% (-9.3)
CON - 6.2% (+3.2)
GRN - 3.0% (+3.0)0 -
No, that's simply untrue. All types of schools in London secure results that are far better than those achieved elsewhere. London forged ahead well before Free schools and the roll-out of academies (which, of course, were largely the best performing local authority schools already).JEO said:
You didn't answer the question. The schools that are doing well in London are the ones that aren't controlled by the local authorities.SouthamObserver said:
London schools generally significantly outperform those in the rest of the country:Philip_Thompson said:
Are you counting academies etc which are not run by the authorities?SouthamObserver said:
The flaw in your argument is that schools run by left wing local authorities in London are among the best performing in the UK.JEO said:
It's true across schools. The firmer the discipline, the greater the emphasis on character, the deeper the culture of respect, the better the school. Children need structure and values, the more so if they are from unstructured and valueless family backgrounds.ReggieCide said:
This is not a very wide sampleJEO said:
Conservatism works.SeanT said:On a more positive and harmonious note, I've just been to see a school in north London, on their open day (I'm checking out secondaries for my older daughter).
The particular school we visited tonight is a state comp: it used to be terrible, it almost closed down a few years ago, it has majority non-white British intake, lots of kids with special needs, lots of kids entitled to free school meals. A recipe for disaster.
In the last few years, the new staff have imposed a very strict code of discipline: absolute insistence on uniform, 2 hours homework a night, all the teachers called Sir or Madam. Also, it has gone from being mildly Catholic to fiercely Catholic - prayers every day, nuns in the corridor, 3 hours RE a week, etc etc. There are British flags on the wall in several classrooms, demanding respect for British values.
It is now a Good school with some Outstanding aspects, sending black, WWC and Muslim kids to Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, etc, last year.
Something is going RIGHT in some multicultural London schools, yet it is being done by a reversion to quite old-fashioned British schooling.
This is why free schools and academies were such a brilliant idea. You free headteachers to make the reforms that both they and parents know work. The left-wing local authorities and unions that allow ideology to triumph over experience are removed from the equation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19151471
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No, as the opposition is too splitfoxinsoxuk said:Stephen Kinnock is a pompous ass. Got booed defending the Labour government in Wales.
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Lol. Corbyn the slayer of the Nats
@britainelects: Glenrothes West & Kinglassie (Fife) result:
SNP - 59.0% (+16.5)
LAB - 31.9% (-9.3)
CON - 6.2% (+3.2)
GRN - 3.0% (+3.0)
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What's the best local authority school from London and where does it come in the rankings?SouthamObserver said:
No, that's simply untrue. All types of schools in London secure results that are far better than those achieved elsewhere. London forged ahead well before Free schools and the roll-out of academies (which, of course, were largely the best performing local authority schools already).
Within London, free schools and academies do a lot better than local authority schools. If they collectively do better than schools outside London, that suggests it is not the local authority making the difference, but the unique character of London.0 -
Is Charlotte getting any applause this evening? I'm struggling to recall any.0
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I call SCon surge though.0
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That used to be true in Scotland too.HYUFD said:
No, as the opposition is too splitfoxinsoxuk said:Stephen Kinnock is a pompous ass. Got booed defending the Labour government in Wales.
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Gordon Brown like affect of his visit. Does the J stand for Jonah after all?TheScreamingEagles said:Lol. Corbyn the slayer of the Nats
@britainelects: Glenrothes West & Kinglassie (Fife) result:
SNP - 59.0% (+16.5)
LAB - 31.9% (-9.3)
CON - 6.2% (+3.2)
GRN - 3.0% (+3.0)
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She has my full support!Plato_Says said:Is Charlotte getting any applause this evening? I'm struggling to recall any.
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That's right - I remember. It came in a green box.Dair said:
You had ROLLS of paper?Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.
Fooking luxury.
We had to pick it out of a box sheet by sheet.
And it wasn't absorbent, no, it was like waxed paper, shiny when new, smearing was the best you could hope for.
Wiping?
Fooking luxury.
** This is not a joke, this is actually what it was, a small rectangular box of individual, shiny, non absorbent sheets.
Yes, we had rolls. I was in God's Own Country - Yorkshire. Every sheet had "Now wash your hands" or something similar printed on it.0 -
I stated that China uses an authoritarian education system. Yes they do coerce (oops) kids to learn but they do so with the implicit support of parents who also pay for private tuition on top of school.SeanT said:
loooool. Have you ever been to China? Clearly not.Dair said:
Yet throughout Scandinavia, pupils succeed without this iron discipline, without uniforms or Nuns or any form of coertion.SeanT said:
Absolutely right. Ask the 100s of parents who crowded into that state school tonight, desperate to get their kids into a rigid, disciplined, aspirational environment. You could see it in their eyes. My son lacks a father, my daughter lacks respect, in this school they will be guided and disciplined and, most of all, given a chance.
It was actually quite moving.
The school is in the top 1% in the country for science.
The problem is that you, like much of the UK, are an ideologue. You don't think beyond the narrow perspective of right and left, you equate (for some bizarre reason) the iron disciplines of a Roman education as being rightist and automatically believe it is the best.
Whereas the reality is that it doesn't appear to matter whether the government or the education system is right or left, authoritarian or liberal. What actually matters is the engagement of parents in the education of their children.
Chinese kids succeed, despite or because of authoritarian education because children are encouraged and/or coerced by their parents to succeed. Danish kids succeed, despite or because of the liberal education because children are encourages and/or coerced by their parents to succeed.
The system of education does not appear to matter, what matters is the involvement or lack therefore of the parents.
But I have, many times. The schools basically beat the kids into submission.
Also, you can't spell "coertion". 0/10. See Teacher.
Which was my point. In both liberal and authoritarian systems kids do well when parents coerce then to do well. Your cheap shots and reliance on an Irish education system which never worked for Ireland, doesn't help your case.0 -
Charlotte Church - 'trains have become an elitist way to travel so not as much mobility'.
Passenger numbers have DOUBLED under privatisation compared to how they were under British Rail. Seriously no grounding in reality whatsoever.0 -
Says Charlotte with the millions in the bank.Philip_Thompson said:
Charlotte Church - 'trains have become an elitist way to travel so not as much mobility'.
Passenger numbers have DOUBLED under privatisation compared to how they were under British Rail. Seriously no grounding in reality whatsoever.0 -
Read the article MBE linked to below. London used to get terrible results. A turnaround began in the mid-90s and accelerated during the 2000s, way before free schools and large scale academy conversions. Most London academies were previously high-performing local authority schools (as is also the case elsewhere, of course), so they are merely continuing the work they were already doing. The original academy programme was specifically designed for poorly-performing schools, but the priority changed after 2010.JEO said:
What's the best local authority school from London and where does it come in the rankings?SouthamObserver said:
No, that's simply untrue. All types of schools in London secure results that are far better than those achieved elsewhere. London forged ahead well before Free schools and the roll-out of academies (which, of course, were largely the best performing local authority schools already).
Within London, free schools and academies do a lot better than local authority schools. If they collectively do better than schools outside London, that suggests it is not the local authority making the difference, but the unique character of London.
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Surely all PBers recognise Sunil as our elite? CC knows her stuff.Philip_Thompson said:Charlotte Church - 'trains have become an elitist way to travel so not as much mobility'.
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Following Thatcher's abolition of the ILEA yes.SouthamObserver said:
Read the article MBE linked to below. London used to get terrible results. A turnaround began in the mid-90s and accelerated during the 2000s, way before free schools and large scale academy conversions. Most London academies were previously high-performing local authority schools (as is also the case elsewhere, of course), so they are merely continuing the work they were already doing. The original academy programme was specifically designed for poorly-performing schools, but the priority changed after 2010.JEO said:
What's the best local authority school from London and where does it come in the rankings?SouthamObserver said:
No, that's simply untrue. All types of schools in London secure results that are far better than those achieved elsewhere. London forged ahead well before Free schools and the roll-out of academies (which, of course, were largely the best performing local authority schools already).
Within London, free schools and academies do a lot better than local authority schools. If they collectively do better than schools outside London, that suggests it is not the local authority making the difference, but the unique character of London.0 -
IZAL wasn't it?Tim_B said:
That's right - I remember. It came in a green box.Dair said:
You had ROLLS of paper?Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.
Fooking luxury.
We had to pick it out of a box sheet by sheet.
And it wasn't absorbent, no, it was like waxed paper, shiny when new, smearing was the best you could hope for.
Wiping?
Fooking luxury.
** This is not a joke, this is actually what it was, a small rectangular box of individual, shiny, non absorbent sheets.
Yes, we had rolls. I was in God's Own Country - Yorkshire. Every sheet had "Now wash your hands" or something similar printed on it.0 -
Nigel on This Week? Time for a brandy!0
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13 people killed, 20 injured at another shooting at Umpqua Community College in Oregon. The deceased shooter was a 20 year old male.0 -
Yes but when the machicolation to the bastion is Charlotte Church they do have a weakness.HYUFD said:
No, as the opposition is too splitfoxinsoxuk said:Stephen Kinnock is a pompous ass. Got booed defending the Labour government in Wales.
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San IZAL, yes.MarqueeMark said:
IZAL wasn't it?Tim_B said:
That's right - I remember. It came in a green box.Dair said:
You had ROLLS of paper?Tim_B said:
I remember growing up in England we had IZAL toilet paper. It was like a combination of greaseproof and tracing paper.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Because the UK paper is too thin for the big US lard arses.Tim_B said:The NY Jets are playing in London.
They are taking 350 rolls of toilet paper with them.
Why?
It was awful.
Fooking luxury.
We had to pick it out of a box sheet by sheet.
And it wasn't absorbent, no, it was like waxed paper, shiny when new, smearing was the best you could hope for.
Wiping?
Fooking luxury.
** This is not a joke, this is actually what it was, a small rectangular box of individual, shiny, non absorbent sheets.
Yes, we had rolls. I was in God's Own Country - Yorkshire. Every sheet had "Now wash your hands" or something similar printed on it.0 -
The vast majority of London schools during the great turnaround were local authority controlled. The original academy programme was indeed designed for those schools that did not pass muster. That changed after 2010 when the focus changed to making the best performing schools academies.Philip_Thompson said:
That doesn't answer the question. As the article you've linked to actually states a large number of London schools are academies as they were the most struggling and it is taking them OUT of authority control which has increased their performance.SouthamObserver said:
London schools generally significantly outperform those in the rest of the country:Philip_Thompson said:Are you counting academies etc which are not run by the authorities?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-19151471
When a school performance goes up when it is taken out of authority control and made an academy then that does not demonstrate that the authority was managing the school well. Quite the opposite in fact! Your evidence undermines rather than supports your premise, the authority was the problem and giving power to academies rather than the authority is a working solution.
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Yep - and the transfer of responsibility to the boroughs. ILEA was poisonous. It was a very good move to abolish it.Philip_Thompson said:
Following Thatcher's abolition of the ILEA yes.SouthamObserver said:
Read the article MBE linked to below. London used to get terrible results. A turnaround began in the mid-90s and accelerated during the 2000s, way before free schools and large scale academy conversions. Most London academies were previously high-performing local authority schools (as is also the case elsewhere, of course), so they are merely continuing the work they were already doing. The original academy programme was specifically designed for poorly-performing schools, but the priority changed after 2010.JEO said:
What's the best local authority school from London and where does it come in the rankings?SouthamObserver said:
No, that's simply untrue. All types of schools in London secure results that are far better than those achieved elsewhere. London forged ahead well before Free schools and the roll-out of academies (which, of course, were largely the best performing local authority schools already).
Within London, free schools and academies do a lot better than local authority schools. If they collectively do better than schools outside London, that suggests it is not the local authority making the difference, but the unique character of London.
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SCon surge continues
@britainelects: Irvine Valley (East Ayrshire) first preferences:
SNP - 49.8% (+5.3)
CON - 24.0% (+5.8)
LAB - 23.8% (-6.3)
GRN - 2.4% (+2.4)0 -
Farage in his element, acting the pratt on his own in front of the camera, annoying kipper conference out of the way0
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Interesting that both QT audience members who work for the railways don't want it nationalised.0
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Irvine Valley (East Ayrshire) first preferences:
SNP - 49.8% (+5.3)
CON - 24.0% (+5.8)
LAB - 23.8% (-6.3)
GRN - 2.4% (+2.4)
Labour GAIN Grimsbury & Castle (Cherwell) from Conservative
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Snigger.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:Glenrothes West & Kinglassie (Fife) result:
SNP - 59.0% (+16.5)
LAB - 31.9% (-9.3)
CON - 6.2% (+3.2)
GRN - 3.0% (+3.0)
Jonathan Watson @C_JWatson 1 hr1 hour ago
Same @scottishlabour source now saying "looking close". Could be an interesting night... #glenwestbyelection
Jonathan Watson @C_JWatson 3 mins3 minutes ago
Result has stunned the #Labour team.They didn't that see that coming from the early votes.Emphatic win for #SNP #glenwestbyelection0 -
Grimsbury & Castle (Cherwell) result:
LAB - 45.0% (+5.9)
CON - 38.1% (-7.0)
UKIP - 8.6% (+8.6)
LDEM - 4.2% (-1.5)
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@britainelects: Grimsbury & Castle (Cherwell) result:
LAB - 45.0% (+5.9)
CON - 38.1% (-7.0)
UKIP - 8.6% (+8.6)
LDEM - 4.2% (-1.5)
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I thought she had drunk it all. Are there not blue plaques to her in gutters of Cardiff's Greyfrias Rd?Plato_Says said:Says Charlotte with the millions in the bank.
Philip_Thompson said:Charlotte Church - 'trains have become an elitist way to travel so not as much mobility'.
Passenger numbers have DOUBLED under privatisation compared to how they were under British Rail. Seriously no grounding in reality whatsoever.0 -
Farage making a mess of things on the Daily Politics. He's going on about how UKIP are the ones who are best representing leave, not "snobby conservatives". Putting UKIP above the Leave campaign.0
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All the wrong tone - I disliked it a lot.JEO said:
Farage making a mess of things on the Daily Politics. He's going on about how UKIP are the ones who are best representing leave, not "snobby conservatives". Putting UKIP above the Leave campaign.
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Now that's more like it - a bit of a surprise after all, and the opposition on the council up to double figures for the first time in 8 years according to Harry's piece. Splendid.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:Grimsbury & Castle (Cherwell) result:
LAB - 45.0% (+5.9)
CON - 38.1% (-7.0)
UKIP - 8.6% (+8.6)
LDEM - 4.2% (-1.5)
GRN - 4.1% (-6.1)
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Green vote going to labour + rise in UKIPTheScreamingEagles said:@britainelects: Grimsbury & Castle (Cherwell) result:
LAB - 45.0% (+5.9)
CON - 38.1% (-7.0)
UKIP - 8.6% (+8.6)
LDEM - 4.2% (-1.5)
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Even UKIP beat Plaid in 2015foxinsoxuk said:
That used to be true in Scotland too.HYUFD said:
No, as the opposition is too splitfoxinsoxuk said:Stephen Kinnock is a pompous ass. Got booed defending the Labour government in Wales.
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IZAL, absolutely awesome tracing paper.
Syria, some more interesting news shortly.0 -
Looks like Kippers didn't have a candidate last time.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Green vote going to labour + rise in UKIPTheScreamingEagles said:@britainelects: Grimsbury & Castle (Cherwell) result:
LAB - 45.0% (+5.9)
CON - 38.1% (-7.0)
UKIP - 8.6% (+8.6)
LDEM - 4.2% (-1.5)
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Everyone's in Manchester!Eh_ehm_a_eh said:Grimsbury & Castle (Cherwell) result:
LAB - 45.0% (+5.9)
CON - 38.1% (-7.0)
UKIP - 8.6% (+8.6)
LDEM - 4.2% (-1.5)
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The man does not seem to have the self-awareness to realise that trashing the people you want making the case alongside you is a mistake. It's all about him and UKIP.Plato_Says said:All the wrong tone - I disliked it a lot.
JEO said:Farage making a mess of things on the Daily Politics. He's going on about how UKIP are the ones who are best representing leave, not "snobby conservatives". Putting UKIP above the Leave campaign.
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Get over yourselves!!!!!!
Great handbags on tw.0 -
Nigel is absolutely awful - I usually quite like him, he's showing himself up terribly.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Get over yourselves!!!!!!
Great handbags on tw.0 -
Only the first preference, when is the final result out !!!!?☺Big_G_NorthWales said:
Green vote going to labour + rise in UKIPTheScreamingEagles said:@britainelects: Grimsbury & Castle (Cherwell) result:
LAB - 45.0% (+5.9)
CON - 38.1% (-7.0)
UKIP - 8.6% (+8.6)
LDEM - 4.2% (-1.5)
GRN - 4.1% (-6.1)0 -
They are invoking Sarah Brightman and er...Hot Gossip aren't they? Cannot be bad.Scrapheap_as_was said:Get over yourselves!!!!!!
Great handbags on tw.0 -
Watching Tw 30 mins behind... Agree w Portillo re slavery payment... Morally we owe them a lot of compensation0
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Will they hand over all those gold medals to African countries?isam said:Watching Tw 30 mins behind... Agree w Portillo re slavery payment... Morally we owe them a lot of compensation
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I think they've had a raw enough deal...Eh_ehm_a_eh said:
Will they hand over all those gold medals to African countries?isam said:Watching Tw 30 mins behind... Agree w Portillo re slavery payment... Morally we owe them a lot of compensation
What is the Balzac quote? ' behind every great fortune is a crime forgotten.'
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When comparing Scottish results it should be remembered that in 2012 when these seats were last up the SNP were on 32% and Labour on 31% and the Tories 13%. In May the SNP were on 50%, Labour 24% and the Tories 14%, so even if the SNP had fallen back a little since the general election they should still be seeing big swings towards them in council by-electionsTheuniondivvie said:
Snigger.Eh_ehm_a_eh said:Glenrothes West & Kinglassie (Fife) result:
SNP - 59.0% (+16.5)
LAB - 31.9% (-9.3)
CON - 6.2% (+3.2)
GRN - 3.0% (+3.0)
Jonathan Watson @C_JWatson 1 hr1 hour ago
Same @scottishlabour source now saying "looking close". Could be an interesting night... #glenwestbyelection
Jonathan Watson @C_JWatson 3 mins3 minutes ago
Result has stunned the #Labour team.They didn't that see that coming from the early votes.Emphatic win for #SNP #glenwestbyelection
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I am fairly sympathetic too. Though it is worth remembering that the Africans involuntarily exiled to the Americas do generally have higher incomes and other measures of development than those who stayed in Africa.isam said:Watching Tw 30 mins behind... Agree w Portillo re slavery payment... Morally we owe them a lot of compensation
Slavery was a horrific crime, and a trade that Britain was at the centre of, though also the centre of suppressing it.0 -
Well I'm a big Farage fan and also a huge Portillo fan and all I can say from this exchange is that Nigel doesn't look all that well0
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He looked grey and walked very stiffly. Farage leading the Out campaign (and just try and stop him!) Could make all the difference for the Inners.isam said:Well I'm a big Farage fan and also a huge Portiloo fan and all I can say from this exchange is that Nigel doesn't look all that well
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I really don't know, but I think Farage should be trying to come across as more friendly and less angry than he did here. I've said many times I think Portillo should lead the out campaign, he has the charm and manner, and also political nous yet detachment, to persuade the average undecided.TGOHF said:
I don't get the tactics at all - is it the money men talking ?isam said:Well I'm a big Farage fan and also a huge Portiloo fan and all I can say from this exchange is that Nigel doesn't look all that well
Maybe Arron Banks money is holding ukip together? I don't know. If that's the case then I guess it's understsndable Farage is singing this tune, but I think we need a far more centrist and measured tone to win... Nigel can rouse the ukip faithful and should be proud of his part in getting the referendum on the table. More than most of us can say we've done with our lives... To work twd a goal of this magnitude and get a shot at it0
