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SystemSystem Posts: 11,685
edited September 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The buzzword bingo on Mr Corbyn’s conference speech

Ladbrokes have a market up on what exact words or phrases Mr Corbyn will say during his speech at the Labour party conference. I’ve said before these betting markets often appear to exist purely to fund the bookies’ bonus fund and this one appears not to break that pattern.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    What are the odds he'll say AV?


    What are the odds TSE will say AV? :D
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,682
    I'm surprised 'Comrades' isn't on there......
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Good Morning fellow PB Gondoliers.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    No way should "pig" be at 3/1. Corbyn just isn't in to making personal attacks; it wouldn't even occur to him to do it. If anybody advised him to make a pig joke, he would probably avoid it deliberately. He hasn't yet reached the stage of realising he needs spin doctors or careful media packaging or whatever.

    I have often thought (and occasionally written on here) that it is only a matter of time before a politician sees a list like this, and deliberately says some of the phrases, just to make a joke about the whole idea of doing bets on it. Corbyn is one of the least likely to do that either.
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    JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Where there's a Will there's a Wales

    https://twitter.com/JohnLoony/status/647992050881839104
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    JohnLoony said:

    Where there's a Will there's a Wales

    https://twitter.com/JohnLoony/status/647992050881839104

    Picture Competition :

    "Sing if your brothers a ginger tosser ...."

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    JackW said:

    JohnLoony said:

    Where there's a Will there's a Wales

    https://twitter.com/JohnLoony/status/647992050881839104

    Picture Competition :

    "Sing if your brothers a ginger tosser ...."

    One for the Corbyn anoraks...
    "Harry insists he will take a 'full part' in any future events."
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,567
    edited September 2015
    From the Labour point of view, surely "Right Wing Media" is a unifying enemy?

    Therefore I think that one. Not betting though.

    :D

    And I'm in dispute with that colon-D smiley. It is supposd to be a pleasant very big grin, but Vanilla makes it look like Mutley when the pigeon has become pie.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,567
    edited September 2015
    Hmmm.

    "Right wing media" seems to be a favourite construction of Corbyn boosters and apologists, not Corbyn himself, when they want a victim narrative or an excuse for failure or justification for attack.

    Has the man himself ever said it in a speech?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031
    Of course he won't mention it. After all, he wants a more polite PMQ's, and a new type of politics, so mentioning it would just be the 'old' style of politics.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/11/jeremy-corbyn-aims-to-throw-out-theatrical-abuse-in-parliament

    He'd be best leaving it to others to mention it on stage whilst he politely tut-tuts and smiles wryly.

    Another reason is that there are many more potentially embarrassing things in Corbyn's past than Cameron's. Not of the same nature, but damaging to the general electorate nonetheless.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    Well, he won't mention Wales or rugby.

    No wonder Lancaster looked annoyed at the end. You should always play the referee; if he's finicky, you have to be more careful. They weren't.

    You can call it over-enthusiasm or being gormless.

    Perhaps Jezza will finish with a call to look on the bright side. Let's all get behind England and beat Australia.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    All eyes should be on Catalonia today. Spain could be 24 hours away from its biggest crisis in decades. It's Europes fourth biggest economy, so would also have major implications for the EU.

    The independence alliance will get most seats and may well win an overall majority. Whether it gets a majority of the votes though is another matter entirely.

    The Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid bears huge responsibility for things getting this far.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I see Jezza is doing more IRA tributes in Brighton http://www.sunnation.co.uk/corbyn-sparks-outrage-with-sinn-fein-rebel-tribute-at-the-scene-of-ira-outrage/
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    None of Labour's four former living leaders will attend @uklabour conference #Lab15 http://t.co/l62Rfn5RxC
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Good morning all.

    Funny that Socialism is evens on the betting. I would have thought it would be 1/5 at most; so a good bet for those that have a hundred or so to wager. Surely Corbyn wouldn't be frit not to utter the word.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,997
    Plato_Says said:

    I see Jezza is doing more IRA tributes in Brighton http://www.sunnation.co.uk/corbyn-sparks-outrage-with-sinn-fein-rebel-tribute-at-the-scene-of-ira-outrage/

    Reading that I noticed something about Corbyn having trouble over his election expenses. So I looked. It was 1979!!!!

    So if he does mention right-wing media conspiracy, who could blame him?
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Plato_Says said:

    None of Labour's four former living leaders will attend @uklabour conference #Lab15 http://t.co/l62Rfn5RxC

    I can understand why, if they are only formerly living.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Honestly, what a nitwit McDonnell is - if he was going to get his mitts anywhere near power - I'd be using stronger language. From DT.
    In another speech on May 10 2012, Mr McDonnell said workers should seize control of their workplaces. “If they want to occupy their factories, we’ll support them. We’re here to fight for every factory, every job and against every cut.” In 2010, he advocated “repossessing” the property of “100 top tax evaders”, saying: “Let’s choose a day when we become tax collectors, turn up at their offices and demand the money. And if they do not pay, do what they do to us – repossess, saying we’re occupying until you pay.”
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,869
    CD13 said:

    Well, he won't mention Wales or rugby.

    No wonder Lancaster looked annoyed at the end. You should always play the referee; if he's finicky, you have to be more careful. They weren't.

    You can call it over-enthusiasm or being gormless.

    Perhaps Jezza will finish with a call to look on the bright side. Let's all get behind England and beat Australia.

    I am in Wales currently. It's gone down well here.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JEO said:

    Plato_Says said:

    None of Labour's four former living leaders will attend @uklabour conference #Lab15 http://t.co/l62Rfn5RxC

    I can understand why, if they are only formerly living.
    It is a zombie party!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031
    JEO said:

    Plato_Says said:

    None of Labour's four former living leaders will attend @uklabour conference #Lab15 http://t.co/l62Rfn5RxC

    I can understand why, if they are only formerly living.
    Although zombie leaders would feel quite at home with the zombie policies Labour will be discussing at the conference.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Sky are having great fun showing archive footage of the 80s to accompany their news reports.

    I liked this bit of digging - there's so much to choose from. There really isn't enough popcorn in the universe...
    The Sunday Telegraph has also uncovered evidence of how other key figures around Mr Corbyn, including his chief of staff, Simon Fletcher, as well as Mr Ross are or were members of a tiny, secretive Trotskyite sect, Socialist Action, which seeks a communist revolution and believes that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a “tragedy for humanity”.

    In secret documents seen by this newspaper, Socialist Action calls itself the “revolutionary wing of the Labour Party” and describes how it performed a “clandestine form of entry” to infiltrate the party.
    JosiasJessop said:

    JEO said:

    Plato_Says said:

    None of Labour's four former living leaders will attend @uklabour conference #Lab15 http://t.co/l62Rfn5RxC

    I can understand why, if they are only formerly living.
    Although zombie leaders would feel quite at home with the zombie policies Labour will be discussing at the conference.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    These are generally mugs bets but I couldn't resist a modest flutter using my Corbyn winnings.

    Socialism, Revolution, Right Wing Media and Pig.

    Pig would slip in more easily in 'Capitalist Pig Dog' as well as more direct pork warfare. I note that pigs have featured heavily in This Week and similar programmes without direct reference.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I wouldn't touch "pig" at 10/1. he has placed great store on not making personal attacks. To mention it would make him look hypocritical. Indeed he has already expressly declined the opportunity to comment on this when pressed hard.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/24/piggate-jeremy-corbyn-real-issues_n_8191464.html
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    antifrank said:

    I wouldn't touch "pig" at 10/1. he has placed great store on not making personal attacks. To mention it would make him look hypocritical. Indeed he has already expressly declined the opportunity to comment on this when pressed hard.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/24/piggate-jeremy-corbyn-real-issues_n_8191464.html

    Corbyn's speeches are rather rambling and structureless. He may make a pig's ear of it.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I'd have thought the 4/1 on revolution might be worth a flutter. It's a popular word with all politicians.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3250583/The-party-love-deluded-bullying-cult-Labour-MP-SIMON-DANCZUK-slams-Corbyn-s-Hard-Left-crowd-pleasing-syrup.html

    Will civil war break out at the conference itself? That will be a treat to see one side shout the other down in the main venue. Will it happen? Probably not so openly or so soon, but happen it will.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited September 2015
    I see Michael Dugher isn't happy - he's referred to reselection of MPs as *punishment beatings* [no one's missing that reference] and that it'll be a return to the *Wacky Races* of the 80s.

    Oh and Angela Eagle is announcing that £3ers will get a say on Labour policy! Yippeee!!

    EDIT and several far-left parties have asked the Electoral Commission to wind them up so their members can join Labour.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Plato_Says said:

    I see Michael Dugher isn't happy - he's referred to reselection of MPs as *punishment beatings* [no one's missing that reference] and that it'll be a return to the *Wacky Races* of the 80s.

    Oh and Angela Eagle is announcing that £3ers will get a say on Labour policy! Yippeee!!

    Angela Eagle is one of those waggon/platform jumping sprouts that occures when ambition outweighs common sense
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Good morning, everyone.

    Nothing there tempts me.

    F1: no spoilers, but I'll see about putting up the post-race piece this morning. Must admit, I missed 20-30 minutes or so (the hound's just started going on walks and I want to get a morning routine established, always going at the same time, which happened to be in the middle of the race).
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Nothing there tempts me.

    F1: no spoilers, but I'll see about putting up the post-race piece this morning. Must admit, I missed 20-30 minutes or so (the hound's just started going on walks and I want to get a morning routine established, always going at the same time, which happened to be in the middle of the race).

    Morning Morris, you should get one of those Japanese robot dogs we hear so much about these days. Then you'll be able to see the full race, but if ever there was such a thing as a robot race; F1 is the thing. ;)
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    I see "IRA" "Hamas" and "friends" are not on the list....
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    :no-comment-neccessary:

    "Europes 'largest' economies":

    #1 Duetschland
    #2 Russia
    #3= England/UK
    #3= France/Colonies
    #5 Italy
    #6 Espana

    And the morale of this story? Beware;

    :tumbleweed:
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,567
    edited September 2015
    Plato_Says said:

    Sky are having great fun showing archive footage of the 80s to accompany their news reports.

    I liked this bit of digging - there's so much to choose from. There really isn't enough popcorn in the universe...

    The Sunday Telegraph has also uncovered evidence of how other key figures around Mr Corbyn, including his chief of staff, Simon Fletcher, as well as Mr Ross are or were members of a tiny, secretive Trotskyite sect, Socialist Action, which seeks a communist revolution and believes that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a “tragedy for humanity”.

    In secret documents seen by this newspaper, Socialist Action calls itself the “revolutionary wing of the Labour Party” and describes how it performed a “clandestine form of entry” to infiltrate the party.
    JosiasJessop said:

    JEO said:

    Plato_Says said:

    None of Labour's four former living leaders will attend @uklabour conference #Lab15 http://t.co/l62Rfn5RxC

    I can understand why, if they are only formerly living.
    Although zombie leaders would feel quite at home with the zombie policies Labour will be discussing at the conference.


    What do they mean "uncovered evidence"?

    They mean they read Wikipedia and a couple of newspapers last week?

    I supect these secret documents were on the net somewhere.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Nothing there tempts me.

    F1: no spoilers, but I'll see about putting up the post-race piece this morning. Must admit, I missed 20-30 minutes or so (the hound's just started going on walks and I want to get a morning routine established, always going at the same time, which happened to be in the middle of the race).

    I don't know if you saw it, but there was a very good interview with Ron Dennis about the state of F1. His sensible answers should be listened to by the F1 bosses.

    Also, his attitude to McLaren's problematic relationship with Honda is so much mature than Red Bull's infantile toy-throwing with Renault.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    30,000 foreign fighters have now joined ISIS in Syria:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/world/middleeast/thousands-enter-syria-to-join-isis-despite-global-efforts.html
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    If there is a lot of dissent to his speech he might just get angry and then who knows what words he would use. Corbyn has a short fuse.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Mr. Jessop, not seen it yet. I did hear Alonso's radio comments on the engine.

    The contrast between McLaren and Red Bull is striking.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,997
    MikeK said:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3250583/The-party-love-deluded-bullying-cult-Labour-MP-SIMON-DANCZUK-slams-Corbyn-s-Hard-Left-crowd-pleasing-syrup.html

    Will civil war break out at the conference itself? That will be a treat to see one side shout the other down in the main venue. Will it happen? Probably not so openly or so soon, but happen it will.

    The Mail AND Danczuk. Must be reliable How could anyone possibly disagree with their conclusions!
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Plato_Says said:

    None of Labour's four former living leaders will attend @uklabour conference #Lab15 http://t.co/l62Rfn5RxC

    LOL!

    Someone should tell the Telegraph there's a difference between

    "Four living former leaders" and "Four former living leaders"!!
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I see the Ashcroft story is taking an interesting turn :lol:
    How I was paid £10,000 NOT to write biography of 'Mr A***craft': Former friend who shared house with peer as a student given 'gift' after he failed to find a publisher for tell-all tome

    Writer Alastair Primrose first met Lord Ashcroft in the 1960s, when both were students at Mid Essex Technical College
    His first impression of Ashcroft was of a bully, seducer and practical joker
    After an on-off friendship the pair fell out over a Muhammad Ali fight
    But 40 years after they met, Primrose received a 'gift' of £10,000 after he failed to find a published for his Ashcroft biography


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3250466/How-paid-10-000-NOT-write-biography-Mr-craft-Former-friend-shared-house-peer-student-given-gift-failed-publisher-tell-tome.html#ixzz3mvOGTQqx
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    JEO said:

    30,000 foreign fighters have now joined ISIS in Syria:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/world/middleeast/thousands-enter-syria-to-join-isis-despite-global-efforts.html

    Hopefully now that France have started bombing them, considerably fewer of them will be returning home.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JEO said:

    30,000 foreign fighters have now joined ISIS in Syria:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/27/world/middleeast/thousands-enter-syria-to-join-isis-despite-global-efforts.html

    Syrians may well get increasingly resentful of IS if it is seen as a foreign occupying army, must increase the division between IS and Syrian fighters.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Charles said:

    Plato_Says said:

    None of Labour's four former living leaders will attend @uklabour conference #Lab15 http://t.co/l62Rfn5RxC

    LOL!

    Someone should tell the Telegraph there's a difference between

    "Four living former leaders" and "Four former living leaders"!!
    Probably a good joke about Labour being akin to the walking dead...
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    I really don't like Tom Newton Dunn. I think he's probably right about the Mail and Ashcroft, but I bet the Sun would have run the serialisation given the chance.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I'm not sure Sun readers are the right demographic for this stuff - too Westminster bubble. IIRC they did Tracey Temple's diaries.
    tlg86 said:

    I really don't like Tom Newton Dunn. I think he's probably right about the Mail and Ashcroft, but I bet the Sun would have run the serialisation given the chance.

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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    FluffyThoughts said:

    :no-comment-neccessary:

    "Europes 'largest' economies":

    #1 Duetschland
    #2 Russia
    #3= England/UK
    #3= France/Colonies
    #5 Italy
    #6 Espana

    And the morale of this story? Beware;

    :tumbleweed:

    The UK is the second largest economy in Europe. It's 60% larger than Russia's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)

    The UK is also growing faster than Russia is.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Corbyn welcomes trots and commies
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Jezza on Marr. Help !!!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    F1: post-race rambling:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/japan-post-race-analysis.html
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    What time is Jezza's conference speech?
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Corbyns plans sound like a recipe for disorder and chaos frankly
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    Corbyn coming across pretty well on Marr
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,091
    For those people wondering about England's repeated ability to snatch failure from the jaws of success two facts to know:

    Stuart Lancaster is an overpromoted PE teacher.
    Chris Robshaw likes to wear onesies.

    Such people rarely achieve on the big occasion.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    isam said:

    Corbyn coming across pretty well on Marr

    In the sense that his position is not to have a position in terms of his leadership at all
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,125
    Slackbladder said:

    Corbyns plans sound like a recipe for disorder and chaos frankly

    Fine if that is restricted to the Labour Party....
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    I wish someone would ask Corbyn what he thinks of the EU's expansion eastwards.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    isam said:

    Corbyn coming across pretty well on Marr

    Coming across well, yes, but a little worrying when you listen to what he says

    Kowtowing to Putin, for one

    But I suspect Hillary Benn is going to disagree with him in his speech
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Corbyns foreign policy seems to be 'everyone should be sitting down and singing kum-by-a'
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MrHarryCole: Blimey. Corbyn just went out to bat for the CCHQ fire extinguisher moron: I think the sentence he got was possibly disproportionate
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    The 'tax gap' at the levels he says is fantasy
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    'Such people rarely achieve on the big occasion.'

    Its not over. Not by a long chalk. We are perfectly capable of losing to Fiji, especially with no back division left.

    Most welshmen I know would like England to get through, if only for the sake of the tournament.

    It has been rather wonderful all around.
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    edited September 2015
    JEO said:

    FluffyThoughts said:

    :no-comment-neccessary:

    "Europes 'largest' economies":

    #1 Duetschland
    #2 Russia
    #3= England/UK
    #3= France/Colonies
    #5 Italy
    #6 Espana

    And the morale of this story? Beware;

    :tumbleweed:

    The UK is the second largest economy in Europe. It's 60% larger than Russia's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)

    The UK is also growing faster than Russia is.
    PPP.

    :that-is-all:
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Corbyn stands by inviting IRA into parliment... Brave
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,997
    taffys said:

    'Such people rarely achieve on the big occasion.'

    Its not over. Not by a long chalk. We are perfectly capable of losing to Fiji, especially with no back division left.

    Most welshmen I know would like England to get through, if only for the sake of the tournament.

    It has been rather wonderful all around.

    The injuries must be a problem, but there must be an element of hwyl to carry over.
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    FluffyThoughts said:

    JEO said:

    FluffyThoughts said:

    :no-comment-neccessary:

    "Europes 'largest' economies":

    #1 Duetschland
    #2 Russia
    #3= England/UK
    #3= France/Colonies
    #5 Italy
    #6 Espana

    And the morale of this story? Beware;

    :tumbleweed:

    The UK is the second largest economy in Europe. It's 60% larger than Russia's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)

    The UK is also growing faster than Russia is.
    PPP.

    :that-is-all:
    If the point is to cite economic power, why does it make any sense to use PPP?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    JEO said:

    FluffyThoughts said:

    :no-comment-neccessary:

    "Europes 'largest' economies":

    #1 Duetschland
    #2 Russia
    #3= England/UK
    #3= France/Colonies
    #5 Italy
    #6 Espana

    And the morale of this story? Beware;

    :tumbleweed:

    The UK is the second largest economy in Europe. It's 60% larger than Russia's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)

    The UK is also growing faster than Russia is.
    Fluffer spends too much time in the tumbleweed to worry about reality
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    OldKingCole said:

    The injuries must be a problem, but there must be an element of hwyl to carry over.

    Considering that Wales "NVA" is somewhat below 70% of the UK average I would think that it is proportionate to their RFU national-team.

    :not-bitter-at-all: :(
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    Slackbladder said:

    Corbyns foreign policy seems to be 'everyone should be sitting down and singing kum-by-a'

    Better than starting wars and start up funding for groups like IS as we currently do.
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    JEO said:

    If the point is to cite economic power, why does it make any sense to use PPP?

    Big-Macs! [Or KFC for Corbyn's concubines...?] ;)
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    isam said:

    Corbyn coming across pretty well on Marr

    He is getting very soft balls to catch, by Marr
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011
    edited September 2015
    Corbyn backs a united Ireland, but for Irish people to decide. Criticises SNP for privatising Scottish rail and Calmac, cutting college places and local government. 'Flags don't build houses.' Focuses more on replacing the House of Lords and the Royal Prerogative than just the Monarchy itself, which he accepts most back for now. Inequality more important. Interesting too to see Marr compare him to Keir Hardie and George Lansbury, though neither became PM. Corbyn says Lansbury did introduce death duties
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    malcolmg said:

    Fluffer spends too much time in the tumbleweed to worry about reality

    Buccaneers catch tumbleweed (Red-Flag): Clowns just end with flan on their face (TisWas).
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    edited September 2015
    OldKingCole said:

    taffys said:

    'Such people rarely achieve on the big occasion.'

    Its not over. Not by a long chalk. We are perfectly capable of losing to Fiji, especially with no back division left.

    Most welshmen I know would like England to get through, if only for the sake of the tournament.

    It has been rather wonderful all around.

    The injuries must be a problem, but there must be an element of hwyl to carry over.
    A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,704
    Utterly soft interview there for Corbyn
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    edited September 2015
    These "anti-gentrification" protesters seem to be particularly foolish. Wouldn't it just be better if we maintained slums and prevented places getting nicer?

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/antigentrification-protesters-target-cereal-killer-cafe-and-estate-agent-in-shoreditch-a2956481.html

    “Soon this city will be an unrecognisable, bland, yuppie-infested wasteland with no room for normal (and not so normal) people like us."

    Yes, hopefully it will.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''

    Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Corbyn coming across pretty well on Marr

    Coming across well, yes, but a little worrying when you listen to what he says

    Kowtowing to Putin, for one

    But I suspect Hillary Benn is going to disagree with him in his speech
    Slackbladder said:

    isam said:

    Corbyn coming across pretty well on Marr

    In the sense that his position is not to have a position in terms of his leadership at all
    He just sounds more assured and natural than almost every other politician to me.

    Politics should be a free market where people say what they think with conviction and the public decide. Too long we have had mealy mouthed focus group obsessives playing the percentages

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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,997
    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn backs a united Ireland, but for Irish people to decide. Criticises SNP for privatising Scottish rail and Calmac, cutting college places and local government. 'Flags don't build houses.' Focuses more on replacing the House of Lords and the Royal Prerogative than just the Monarchy itself, which he accepts most back for now. Inequality more important. Interesting too to see Marr compare him to Keir Hardie and George Lansbury, though neither became PM. Corbyn says Lansbury did introduce death duties

    Lansbury didn’t intoduce Death Duties; Sir William Harcourt did. Liberal Govt 1894.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    NICOLA STURGEON’S frontbench spokeswoman on business has been involved in a series of property deals exposed as possible mortgage fraud, according to a public ruling.

    Michelle Thomson, the Edinburgh West MP and Scottish National party’s shadow minister for business, innovation and skills, was involved in the suspect deals in 2010 and 2011. Many of the vendors were “distressed” and anxious to sell. Thomson has strongly denied any wrongdoing.

    The solicitor, Christopher Hales, who acted for Thomson, was struck off last year for professional misconduct over his role in the deals.
    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/article1612472.ece
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/11893375/Hungary-to-EU-migrant-quotas-will-repeat-Western-Europes-failed-attempts-at-multiculturalism.html

    Mr Kovács said. "But we are aware of the past, and multi-culturalism in Western Europe has not been a success in our view. We want to avoid making the same mistakes ourselves."

    Well, that's a direct challenge to the EU.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    The media's comments on Corbyn are interesting.

    I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.

    It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    JEO said:

    Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.

    I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    How about "insurrection"?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11893986/Jeremy-Corbyns-top-team-encouraged-street-riots.html

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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness''.

    What a time to be going through a wilderness, when events are running so strongly in your direction.

    The public will not forgive.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Agreed.
    taffys said:

    The media's comments on Corbyn are interesting.

    I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.

    It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    isam said:

    Charles said:

    isam said:

    Corbyn coming across pretty well on Marr

    Coming across well, yes, but a little worrying when you listen to what he says

    Kowtowing to Putin, for one

    But I suspect Hillary Benn is going to disagree with him in his speech
    Slackbladder said:

    isam said:

    Corbyn coming across pretty well on Marr

    In the sense that his position is not to have a position in terms of his leadership at all
    He just sounds more assured and natural than almost every other politician to me.

    Politics should be a free market where people say what they think with conviction and the public decide. Too long we have had mealy mouthed focus group obsessives playing the percentages

    We've had that because it worked. If it hadn't they wouldn't have gone down that route. Maybe that era is coming to an end, but maybe not - we did just elect a PPE graduate with limited outside experience, focus group obsessed old Etonian.

    We get the politicians we deserve.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    TSE, did you miss out "Refugees" ?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    MattW said:

    Hmmm.

    "Right wing media" seems to be a favourite construction of Corbyn boosters and apologists, not Corbyn himself, when they want a victim narrative or an excuse for failure or justification for attack.

    Has the man himself ever said it in a speech?

    I think that he used it in his acceptance speech on 12 Sep? I may be wrong about the exact expression, it could have been a media conspiracy or media bulling, or right wing media, but he defiantly criticised the media.
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    Evens on "Socialism" and "New Kind of Politics" both look attractive.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Floater said:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/hungary/11893375/Hungary-to-EU-migrant-quotas-will-repeat-Western-Europes-failed-attempts-at-multiculturalism.html

    Mr Kovács said. "But we are aware of the past, and multi-culturalism in Western Europe has not been a success in our view. We want to avoid making the same mistakes ourselves."

    Well, that's a direct challenge to the EU.

    They should be on the other side of the "fence" where they belong. It was a mistake to "liberate" these fascists !
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,937
    taffys said:

    ''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''

    Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.

    It all seems to be set up very nicely for New Zealand, though the Japan shock may serve to galvanise the South Africans. Wales did brilliantly to hold on in there last night and to take advantage of England's dreadful substitutions, but the All Blacks are probably two or three levels higher than anything in the Northern Hemisphere currently.

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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,980
    edited September 2015
    taffys said:

    ''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''

    Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.

    Just have to avoid the usual Scottish model of slipping up against the "supposed" easy teams.
    England out in early stages will be a disappointment at home. Criminal that they are not playing any games in Scotland as well.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,011
    OldKingCole said:

    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn backs a united Ireland, but for Irish people to decide. Criticises SNP for privatising Scottish rail and Calmac, cutting college places and local government. 'Flags don't build houses.' Focuses more on replacing the House of Lords and the Royal Prerogative than just the Monarchy itself, which he accepts most back for now. Inequality more important. Interesting too to see Marr compare him to Keir Hardie and George Lansbury, though neither became PM. Corbyn says Lansbury did introduce death duties

    Lansbury didn’t intoduce Death Duties; Sir William Harcourt did. Liberal Govt 1894.
    I believe Hardie was first elected in 1892
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,780
    taffys said:

    The media's comments on Corbyn are interesting.

    I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.

    It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.

    They don't look at many policies to be fair. A couple of headline ones should get noticed, the rest co tributes to the gut feel of Corbyn.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,031
    MikeK said:

    JEO said:

    Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.

    I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
    UKIP got their votes at the GE on the back of the Evans-led manifesto, which was far more sane than the 2010 mess. They're falling back on the back of Farage's ego.

    If UKIP wish to appeal to more people, Evans seems much more palatable that the current leader.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Plato_Says said:

    Agreed.

    taffys said:

    The media's comments on Corbyn are interesting.

    I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.

    It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.

    One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    MikeK said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Agreed.

    taffys said:

    The media's comments on Corbyn are interesting.

    I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.

    It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.

    One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
    He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,011
    HYUFD said:

    Corbyn backs a united Ireland, but for Irish people to decide

    Surely if it is for the Irish people to decide, he ought to be neutral on the subject.
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