I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
LOL, he is in good company then , can you point to anyone of them that are not worse than snake oil salesmen and inveterate liars. Long way for him to go to be at the liars top table.
''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''
Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.
It all seems to be set up very nicely for New Zealand, though the Japan shock may serve to galvanise the South Africans. Wales did brilliantly to hold on in there last night and to take advantage of England's dreadful substitutions, but the All Blacks are probably two or three levels higher than anything in the Northern Hemisphere currently.
All eyes should be on Catalonia today. Spain could be 24 hours away from its biggest crisis in decades. It's Europes fourth biggest economy, so would also have major implications for the EU.
The independence alliance will get most seats and may well win an overall majority. Whether it gets a majority of the votes though is another matter entirely.
The Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid bears huge responsibility for things getting this far.
Equally, JxSi could score just 36-37% and Catalonia could begin the process of a Basque-type settlement.
Mr Kovács said. "But we are aware of the past, and multi-culturalism in Western Europe has not been a success in our view. We want to avoid making the same mistakes ourselves."
Well, that's a direct challenge to the EU.
They should be on the other side of the "fence" where they belong. It was a mistake to "liberate" these fascists !
To be fair, many in Eastern Europe have stood steadfastly against multiculturalism for decades, if not centuries: see Jews and gypsies.
Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.
I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
Evans is a good media performer with a decent brain but sadly for some elements of the party she hasn't got a todger and the cult of Farage brooks no dissent.
Mr Kovács said. "But we are aware of the past, and multi-culturalism in Western Europe has not been a success in our view. We want to avoid making the same mistakes ourselves."
Well, that's a direct challenge to the EU.
They should be on the other side of the "fence" where they belong. It was a mistake to "liberate" these fascists !
To be fair, many in Eastern Europe have stood steadfastly against multiculturalism for decades, if not centuries: see Jews and gypsies.
Legally segregating Jews and gypsies into separate ghettos and camps was the most aggressive multiculturalism you can get: avoiding integration by force of law.
Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.
I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
Evans is a good media performer with a decent brain but sadly for some elements of the party she hasn't got a todger and the cult of Farage brooks no dissent.
UKIP's insistence on sticking with NO on its T-shirt slogans and its failure to embrace LEAVE may be something to do with Farage having a problem with "Nigel" and "leave" being expressed on the same garment...
All eyes should be on Catalonia today. Spain could be 24 hours away from its biggest crisis in decades. It's Europes fourth biggest economy, so would also have major implications for the EU.
The independence alliance will get most seats and may well win an overall majority. Whether it gets a majority of the votes though is another matter entirely.
The Spanish nationalist PP government in Madrid bears huge responsibility for things getting this far.
Equally, JxSi could score just 36-37% and Catalonia could begin the process of a Basque-type settlement.
Catalonia has been after a Basque-type settlement for years and got one from the previous PSOE government, which was approved by referendum. The PP has always been opposed. With a different government in Madrid things would never have got to this point.
Junts pel Si have said they will not worry about the vote percentage, it's the seats that count. If they get an overall majority they will seek independence. The way the vote works in Catalonia means that the ones cast in Barcelona have less value than those cast in Lleida and Girona, both of which are very strongly pro-independence. Hopefully, Junts will not get an overall majority and the PP will lose its majority in December. Those two things will clear the way to a resolution.
''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''
Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.
Just have to avoid the usual Scottish model of slipping up against the "supposed" easy teams. England out in early stages will be a disappointment at home. Criminal that they are not playing any games in Scotland as well.
England's group may come down to bonus points or points difference. I can perfectly see Australia beating a depleted Wales but losing to England. In that respect the Oz failure to gain the bonus point against Fiji and England taking one against Wales may be crucial.
In any event it would to better for the tournament for the hosts to proceed .... if not only to the QF's.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.
I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
Evans is a good media performer with a decent brain but sadly for some elements of the party she hasn't got a todger and the cult of Farage brooks no dissent.
UKIP's insistence on sticking with NO on its T-shirt slogans and its failure to embrace LEAVE may be something to do with Farage having a problem with "Nigel" and "leave" being expressed on the same garment...
Hmmm. Never heard of Nesvetailova. As for the others they're all prominent in the media. Nothing necessarily wrong with that but how far have they been prepared to look. All rather anti-establishment in one way or another - except maybe Blanchflower who presumably gets in on the basis of being tribally pro-Labour and his history of dissent at the Bank of England.
If it encourages a broader economic debate in this country that has to be a good thing. i just hope they don't get bogged down in anti-austerity populism.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
LOL, he is in good company then , can you point to anyone of them that are not worse than snake oil salesmen and inveterate liars. Long way for him to go to be at the liars top table.
''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''
Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.
Just have to avoid the usual Scottish model of slipping up against the "supposed" easy teams. England out in early stages will be a disappointment at home. Criminal that they are not playing any games in Scotland as well.
There were a few games played at Murrayfield in the 2007 RWC, hosted by France (though none in England), the 1999 RWC, hosted by Wales and the 1991 RWC jointly hosted by the Home Nations and France
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
I think you are broadly right. They are rabidly unthinkingly anti american. Thus anti Israeli. America leads the west and so as they hate everything the West stands for they will the downfall of America. But for myself I think all that does stretch to being anti jew. The hard left are happy to demonize whoever it suits them to.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''
Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.
Just have to avoid the usual Scottish model of slipping up against the "supposed" easy teams. England out in early stages will be a disappointment at home. Criminal that they are not playing any games in Scotland as well.
England's group may come down to bonus points or points difference. I can perfectly see Australia beating a depleted Wales but losing to England. In that respect the Oz failure to gain the bonus point against Fiji and England taking one against Wales may be crucial.
In any event it would to better for the tournament for the hosts to proceed .... if not only to the QF's.
England should have beaten Wales but gave away too many silly penalties, possibly Wales were lucky not to be penalised more, I don't know. A stupid late tackle got Wales back in the game and one penalty they gave away was reaching over in the ruck and having the nerve to put your hands on the ground. What kind of stupid game is that? 3 points for losing your balance!
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
I think you are broadly right. They are rabidly unthinkingly anti american. Thus anti Israeli. America leads the west and so as they hate everything the West stands for they will the downfall of America. But for myself I think all that does stretch to being anti jew. The hard left are happy to demonize whoever it suits them to.
I remember someone on here arguing that American neoimperialism is a terrible blight on the world, but British imperialism was a force for good. Anti-Americanism causes some twisted beliefs!
Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.
I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
Evans is a good media performer with a decent brain but sadly for some elements of the party she hasn't got a todger and the cult of Farage brooks no dissent.
There is a very long list of UKIP folk who Farage has attacked and undermined. No way to build a top able team, but then Farage has no real Leadership or managerial experience.
Anyone remember Petrina, Richard North or Delroy Young? Carswell and Suzanne are just the latest in the list.
Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.
I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
UKIP got their votes at the GE on the back of the Evans-led manifesto, which was far more sane than the 2010 mess. They're falling back on the back of Farage's ego.
If UKIP wish to appeal to more people, Evans seems much more palatable that the current leader.
This is true. However, to some extent, Evans' positive media perception is due to her not being leader. Had she been leader all this time, she would probably be lampooned as a borderline racist Thatcher imitation. That is the nature of the establishment's attack on an outsider party. The challenge would be to try and cement a positive public perception of her before the attacks set in.
''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''
Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.
Just have to avoid the usual Scottish model of slipping up against the "supposed" easy teams. England out in early stages will be a disappointment at home. Criminal that they are not playing any games in Scotland as well.
England's group may come down to bonus points or points difference. I can perfectly see Australia beating a depleted Wales but losing to England. In that respect the Oz failure to gain the bonus point against Fiji and England taking one against Wales may be crucial.
In any event it would to better for the tournament for the hosts to proceed .... if not only to the QF's.
England should have beaten Wales but gave away too many silly penalties, possibly Wales were lucky not to be penalised more, I don't know. A stupid late tackle got Wales back in the game and one penalty they gave away was reaching over in the ruck and having the nerve to put your hands on the ground. What kind of stupid game is that? 3 points for losing your balance!
England lost for three reasons :
1. Lack of ability and discipline at the breakdown. Recurring fault. 2. The inability to kill off the game. Recurring fault. 3. Moving Farrell's position late in the game.
Talk on Sunday Politics is about whether there will be deselections or not. This is ignoring the effects of the coming boundary changes in a couple of years that will force reselections on at least half the local Labour parties. Reselections are almost inevitable. Corbyn can just sit back and watch it happen. The Labour MPs are facing reselection from a membership that has large blocks of people different to those who originally selected them.
''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''
Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.
Just have to avoid the usual Scottish model of slipping up against the "supposed" easy teams. England out in early stages will be a disappointment at home. Criminal that they are not playing any games in Scotland as well.
There were a few games played at Murrayfield in the 2007 RWC, hosted by France (though none in England), the 1999 RWC, hosted by Wales and the 1991 RWC jointly hosted by the Home Nations and France
Wasn’t the 1999 RWC hosted jointly by Wales, Scotland & Ireland?
Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.
I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
Evans is a good media performer with a decent brain but sadly for some elements of the party she hasn't got a todger and the cult of Farage brooks no dissent.
There is a very long list of UKIP folk who Farage has attacked and undermined. No way to build a top able team, but then Farage has no real Leadership or managerial experience.
This will be a fate awaiting Corbyn, given his bad temper.....
One of the Sky Reviewers today was very good on the migrant crisis. He mentioned that we can help 20 more refugees in the Syrian camps than here for the same money. It's so obviously the right approach when you think about it like that.
It was an older chap with glasses. I think they mentioned the names Peter Byrne and Tom Bray at the end, but not sure which was which.
So the Pope goes to America..the land of immigrants...and tells them to stop chasing the American dream and prosperity....then pops onto his private jet back to his own city..that must go down well..
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
I think you are broadly right. They are rabidly unthinkingly anti american. Thus anti Israeli. America leads the west and so as they hate everything the West stands for they will the downfall of America. But for myself I think all that does stretch to being anti jew. The hard left are happy to demonize whoever it suits them to.
But the hard left won't say boo to the rabid anti western Muslims who want to impose shia and Islam on any land they settle in. In many ways the hard left have many fascistic tendencies in their makeup and policies.
One of the Sky Reviewers today was very good on the migrant crisis. He mentioned that we can help 20 more refugees in the Syrian camps than here for the same money. It's so obviously the right approach when you think about it like that.
It was an older chap with glasses. I think they mentioned the names Peter Byrne and Tom Bray at the end, but not sure which was which.
That’s all very well, and obviously true, but thousands of people have arrived in Europe already.
So the Pope goes to America..the land of immigrants...and tells them to stop chasing the American dream and prosperity....then pops onto his private jet back to his own city..that must go down well..
The Bishop of Rome has many faults I'm sure that lavish self indulgence appears not to be one, especially in relation to transport.
I'm unsure whether the Pope's Fiat 500 limo would float or fly over the Atlantic ?!? ... What's your view?
Suzanne Evans coming across extremely well on the Beeb. She would have been a breath of fresh air for UKIP.
I agree, Suzanne is an asset to UKIP and would have made a good leader while UKIP is going through it's self imposed wilderness.
UKIP got their votes at the GE on the back of the Evans-led manifesto, which was far more sane than the 2010 mess. They're falling back on the back of Farage's ego.
If UKIP wish to appeal to more people, Evans seems much more palatable that the current leader.
This is true. However, to some extent, Evans' positive media perception is due to her not being leader. Had she been leader all this time, she would probably be lampooned as a borderline racist Thatcher imitation. That is the nature of the establishment's attack on an outsider party. The challenge would be to try and cement a positive public perception of her before the attacks set in.
"she would probably be lampooned as a borderline racist Thatcher imitation"
I seriously doubt that's the case. It would be much harder to stick that image on her than Farage. Other parties would be much more likely to attack a lack of experience (although the same could be said for Farage himself).
What would have been interesting to see is how Evans would have dealt with some of the media sh*tstorms that UKIP had, many of which were accentuated by a lack of internal discipline. Would she have had the political capital within the party to act with the necessary strength? Having said that, Farage wasn't exactly the best at that either.
Mr. Observer, when can we expect the result from Catalonia?<
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What they usually do in Spain is to continually update the results throughout the evening. Basically - this is what the result is with 5% of the votes counted; with 7%, 9%, 24%, 48% 77% etc. It should be pretty clear before midnight, certainly on vote share, if not final seat allocation.
The lack of women in Labour's top team is clearly an issue already at conference this morning:
One woman shouts: "There are six men on that platform and one woman..." I can't hear the rest of what she says as there's applause #Lab15 — Richard Wheeler (@richard_kaputt) September 27, 2015
''A drubbing from Australia will leave them plenty time to watch the later stages at ease. It could be Wales year.''
Scotland were quietly impressive at Kingsholm, especially in the second half. Much better game plan, organisation and execution than of late. Thousands of supporters there, too.
Just have to avoid the usual Scottish model of slipping up against the "supposed" easy teams. England out in early stages will be a disappointment at home. Criminal that they are not playing any games in Scotland as well.
There were a few games played at Murrayfield in the 2007 RWC, hosted by France (though none in England), the 1999 RWC, hosted by Wales and the 1991 RWC jointly hosted by the Home Nations and France
Wasn’t the 1999 RWC hosted jointly by Wales, Scotland & Ireland?
Wales was the principal host nation but some matches were played in England, Scotland, Ireland and France
One of the Sky Reviewers today was very good on the migrant crisis. He mentioned that we can help 20 more refugees in the Syrian camps than here for the same money. It's so obviously the right approach when you think about it like that.
It was an older chap with glasses. I think they mentioned the names Peter Byrne and Tom Bray at the end, but not sure which was which.
That’s all very well, and obviously true, but thousands of people have arrived in Europe already.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
Labour Party conference now giving awards, first to a 100 year old former Stoke Council employee and active trade unionist and member of Newcastle Under Lyme CLP and now to a lady who cooked pies for miners in the miners strike and led delegations to Cuba (now posing with Corbyn and Watson). I believe Blair and Brown have a clash of commitments this week!
One of the Sky Reviewers today was very good on the migrant crisis. He mentioned that we can help 20 more refugees in the Syrian camps than here for the same money. It's so obviously the right approach when you think about it like that.
It was an older chap with glasses. I think they mentioned the names Peter Byrne and Tom Bray at the end, but not sure which was which.
That’s all very well, and obviously true, but thousands of people have arrived in Europe already.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
One of the Sky Reviewers today was very good on the migrant crisis. He mentioned that we can help 20 more refugees in the Syrian camps than here for the same money. It's so obviously the right approach when you think about it like that.
It was an older chap with glasses. I think they mentioned the names Peter Byrne and Tom Bray at the end, but not sure which was which.
That’s all very well, and obviously true, but thousands of people have arrived in Europe already.
We should not feel bad about getting twenty times the bang for our buck by helping people in Lebanon or Turkey or Jordan.
Those who are in Europe already are often the ones who have had money enough to pay people smugglers. They have had the means to make conscious decisions. Those in the camps do not.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
One of the Sky Reviewers today was very good on the migrant crisis. He mentioned that we can help 20 more refugees in the Syrian camps than here for the same money. It's so obviously the right approach when you think about it like that.
It was an older chap with glasses. I think they mentioned the names Peter Byrne and Tom Bray at the end, but not sure which was which.
That’s all very well, and obviously true, but thousands of people have arrived in Europe already.
Then take them back.
You cannot be serious.
Not to Syria itself, but to the camps around Syria. Providing we fund them properly, of course. I don't think we should be incentivising more people to come here.
One of the Sky Reviewers today was very good on the migrant crisis. He mentioned that we can help 20 more refugees in the Syrian camps than here for the same money. It's so obviously the right approach when you think about it like that.
It was an older chap with glasses. I think they mentioned the names Peter Byrne and Tom Bray at the end, but not sure which was which.
That’s all very well, and obviously true, but thousands of people have arrived in Europe already.
We should not feel bad about getting twenty times the bang for our buck by helping people in Lebanon or Turkey or Jordan.
Those who are in Europe already are often the ones who have had money enough to pay people smugglers. They have had the means to make conscious decisions. Those in the camps do not.
Don’t disagree with that but that’s not what JEO was suggesting.
"I was not the best because I won elections quickly. I was the best because the Selectorate loved me. Win the Selectorate, and you will win your freedom!"
On the subject of reselection, if it does become a big threat, the surely it increases the chances of centrist Labour MPs defecting to other parties. Simon Danczuk could defect to UKIP, get selected as the UKIP candidate and absorb the whole UKIP vote and hang on to enough of his 2010/15 Labour votes to take the seat in 2020.
Reselection seems like a very risky path for Labour, it could cause quite a few defections of Labour MPs looking after their own jobs and futures.
On the subject of reselection, if it does become a big threat, the surely it increases the chances of centrist Labour MPs defecting to other parties. Simon Danczuk could defect to UKIP, get selected as the UKIP candidate and absorb the whole UKIP vote and hang on to enough of his 2010/15 Labour votes to take the seat in 2020.
Reselection seems like a very risky path for Labour, it could cause quite a few defections of Labour MPs looking after their own jobs and futures.
Danczuk could also resign and force a by-election if deselected, stand again as a UKIP candidate, win the seat, and thus provide the trigger for a move on Corbyn
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
But not to a Corbyn Britain. Vote Osborne!
Well indeed, if Sanders were elected US president I imagine the economic situation would be so bad Corbyn would likely be PM anyway
"Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works."
No-one can know whether Corbyn is or is not anti-Semitic. But what his associations tell us is that he's not bothered - or not enough - by others' anti-Semitism if they support him or are useful in some other cause, more important to him. He is willing to turn a blind eye to the anti-Semitism of others.
I will repost some comments I made a few weeks back. Whenever the subject of being anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Western or anti-Semitic comes up, the usual silly accusations are made.
"I'm probably wasting time here but let me try anyway.
Not all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic and it is wrong to claim that it is or to claim that one must not criticise Israel in general or particular Israeli governments in particular because to do so would be anti-Semitic. That is an attempt to shut down debate. Just because Jews have been the victims of the worst case of genocide we have known and repeated attacks over centuries does not mean that they are immune from bad behaviour themselves. Being a victim does not imbue one with some sort of automatic moral superiority.
Equally, it is also the case that there are people who are anti-Semitic and who mask this by claiming to be anti-Zionist and use the anti-Zionist label in order to make anti-Semitic attacks on Israel and on Jews. The Zionist label has been a gift to such people. And it is one reason why people are sensitive to the use of such a term.
There is also something quite troubling and disturbing about the viciousness with which Jews ae attacked for somehow betraying the moral superiority they are meant to have as a result of being victims, almost as if they are being attacked for being victims.
There are others who, while being hyper-sensitive to the perception which some minority groups have to statements made about them which may be seen to be stereotypical or too broad brush or offensive or just plain insensitive, seem surprisingly insensitive to the perception which Jews have of how they are described even though they are good historical reasons why Jews would be sensitive to the portrayal of them in the media and by politicians.
And now I await the bucketloads of abuse which will surely be the fate of anyone treading on such delicate ground."
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
Isn’t Puerto Rico part of the US?
It is an unincorporated US territory but not a US state
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
But not to a Corbyn Britain. Vote Osborne!
Well indeed, if Sanders were elected US president I imagine the economic situation would be so bad Corbyn would likely be PM anyway
I don't think we need to worry too much about Sanders becoming President, almost all the republican candidates would beat him.
The lack of women in Labour's top team is clearly an issue already at conference this morning:
One woman shouts: "There are six men on that platform and one woman..." I can't hear the rest of what she says as there's applause #Lab15 — Richard Wheeler (@richard_kaputt) September 27, 2015
Hilarious. The two defeated women retired to the back benches. This after one of them was regularly referred to as a witch. Labour spout platitudes but act like philistines.
JW It is the height of hypocrisy for someone who lives like a billionaire to go to a country of immigrants and tells them to cut back on their dreams of prosperity.As long as he stands all the way back to Rome on his private jet then that gets him a Brownie point.. The Fiat 500 is a desirable vehicle in Italy..it comes in many souped up versions..not many pope mobiles tho..
Isn't Mazzucato one of Syriza's economic advisors? How did that work out for Syriza - now having to implement even harsher austerity than the level they were elected to reverse?
"Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works."
No-one can know whether Corbyn is or is not anti-Semitic. But what his associations tell us is that he's not bothered - or not enough - by others' anti-Semitism if they support him or are useful in some other cause, more important to him. He is willing to turn a blind eye to the anti-Semitism of others.
I will repost some comments I made a few weeks back. Whenever the subject of being anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Western or anti-Semitic comes up, the usual silly accusations are made.
"I'm probably wasting time here but let me try anyway.
Not all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic and it is wrong to claim that it is or to claim that one must not criticise Israel in general or particular Israeli governments in particular because to do so would be anti-Semitic. That is an attempt to shut down debate. Just because Jews have been the victims of the worst case of genocide we have known and repeated attacks over centuries does not mean that they are immune from bad behaviour themselves. Being a victim does not imbue one with some sort of automatic moral superiority.
Equally, it is also the case that there are people who are anti-Semitic and who mask this by claiming to be anti-Zionist and use the anti-Zionist label in order to make anti-Semitic attacks on Israel and on Jews. The Zionist label has been a gift to such people. And it is one reason why people are sensitive to the use of such a term.
There is also something quite troubling and disturbing about the viciousness with which Jews ae attacked for somehow betraying the moral superiority they are meant to have as a result of being victims, almost as if they are being attacked for being victims.
There are others who, while being hyper-sensitive to the perception which some minority groups have to statements made about them which may be seen to be stereotypical or too broad brush or offensive or just plain insensitive, seem surprisingly insensitive to the perception which Jews have of how they are described even though they are good historical reasons why Jews would be sensitive to the portrayal of them in the media and by politicians.
And now I await the bucketloads of abuse which will surely be the fate of anyone treading on such delicate ground."
Not from me Cyclefree. Well said about attacks on Jews and how Jews react to the hatred so displayed. Much better than coming from a man born Jewish.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
But not to a Corbyn Britain. Vote Osborne!
Well indeed, if Sanders were elected US president I imagine the economic situation would be so bad Corbyn would likely be PM anyway
I don't think we need to worry too much about Sanders becoming President, almost all the republican candidates would beat him.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
But not to a Corbyn Britain. Vote Osborne!
Well indeed, if Sanders were elected US president I imagine the economic situation would be so bad Corbyn would likely be PM anyway
I don't think we need to worry too much about Sanders becoming President, almost all the republican candidates would beat him.
Almost being the key word, Sanders still leads Trump in many polls and Trump still leads the GOP nomination race
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
I think you are broadly right. They are rabidly unthinkingly anti american. Thus anti Israeli. America leads the west and so as they hate everything the West stands for they will the downfall of America. But for myself I think all that does stretch to being anti jew. The hard left are happy to demonize whoever it suits them to.
But the hard left won't say boo to the rabid anti western Muslims who want to impose shia and Islam on any land they settle in. In many ways the hard left have many fascistic tendencies in their makeup and policies.
You are pushing at an open door, that's why we need to keep them out of power.
JW It is the height of hypocrisy for someone who lives like a billionaire to go to a country of immigrants and tells them to cut back on their dreams of prosperity.As long as he stands all the way back to Rome on his private jet then that gets him a Brownie point.. The Fiat 500 is a desirable vehicle in Italy..it comes in many souped up versions..not many pope mobiles tho..
I hold no candle (incense or otherwise) for the Pope but your comment is such complete tosh as to barely merit a response.
It's widely appreciated, even by his critics, that the Pope lives a frugal life within the gilded cage that he was elected to. A head of state utilizing a private jet for logistical and security reasons is perfectly reasonable except to those who would have them use a tandem for local travel and a camel train, microlight, and dinghy for state visits.
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Laters .... Off to lunch .... I was thinking of going by sedan chair, but what the hell, the V12 of the Rolls beckons.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
But not to a Corbyn Britain. Vote Osborne!
Well indeed, if Sanders were elected US president I imagine the economic situation would be so bad Corbyn would likely be PM anyway
I don't think we need to worry too much about Sanders becoming President, almost all the republican candidates would beat him.
Almost being the key word, Sanders still leads Trump in many polls and Trump still leads the GOP nomination race
I think Trump would beat Sanders in the race. Sanders doesn't have the maths on his side.
MikeK..Looks like the proverbial is hitting the fan in Hamburg..how long will the Germans put up with this nonsense..can you see this happening in the UK...I can..
Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out The Death of Property Rights
The way local German governments are forcing resident germans from their homes to make room for the new immigrants that are arriving.
It could happen here too.
From the same article: "Germans are not only being evicted from their homes to make way for migrants, they are also being removed from their schools.
In Lübbecke, another town in NRW, teachers and students were given less than 24 hours to vacate the Jahn-Realschule, a secondary school for 150 students, so that the building can be used to house 300 migrants.
The school principal, Marion Bienen, said that municipal authorities notified her at 5:30 pm on Tuesday, September 15, that last day of classes at the school would be Wednesday, September 16. Students were ordered immediately to remove all of their belongings from the premises and to take a week off until alternative classrooms could be found."
If such stories are true, they surely can't bode well for the future. Not for Germans, not for migrants.
JW It is the height of hypocrisy for someone who lives like a billionaire to go to a country of immigrants and tells them to cut back on their dreams of prosperity.As long as he stands all the way back to Rome on his private jet then that gets him a Brownie point.. The Fiat 500 is a desirable vehicle in Italy..it comes in many souped up versions..not many pope mobiles tho..
I hold no candle (incense or otherwise) for the Pope but your comment is such complete tosh as to barely merit a response.
It's widely appreciated, even by his critics, that the Pope lives a frugal life within the gilded cage that he was elected to. A head of state utilizing a private jet for logistical and security reasons is perfectly reasonable except to those who would have them use a tandem for local travel and a camel train, microlight, and dinghy for state visits.
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Laters .... Off to lunch .... I was thinking of going by sedan chair, but what the hell, the V12 of the Rolls beckons.
Yes he was sprouting the same last week and the Pope clearly lives a relatively frugal life for the position he is in. I don't agree with all his views but the fact he is expressing some concerns over inequality is hardly communism either
Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out The Death of Property Rights
The way local German governments are forcing resident germans from their homes to make room for the new immigrants that are arriving.
It could happen here too.
From the same article: "Germans are not only being evicted from their homes to make way for migrants, they are also being removed from their schools.
In Lübbecke, another town in NRW, teachers and students were given less than 24 hours to vacate the Jahn-Realschule, a secondary school for 150 students, so that the building can be used to house 300 migrants.
The school principal, Marion Bienen, said that municipal authorities notified her at 5:30 pm on Tuesday, September 15, that last day of classes at the school would be Wednesday, September 16. Students were ordered immediately to remove all of their belongings from the premises and to take a week off until alternative classrooms could be found."
If such stories are true, they surely can't bode well for the future. Not for Germans, not for migrants.
Re the proposed evictions from home, an article I read suggested that what the German authorities were doing was illegal. It will be interesting to see whether it is successfully challenged.
But regardless it demonstrates the stupidity of the original proposal. I cannot think of anything less inclined to promote integration and social cohesion than the suggestion that people should be evicted from their homes and schools to house people who have no connection with the country and, in a large number of cases, no legal claim to be in the country in the first place.
Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out The Death of Property Rights
The way local German governments are forcing resident germans from their homes to make room for the new immigrants that are arriving.
It could happen here too.
From the same article: "Germans are not only being evicted from their homes to make way for migrants, they are also being removed from their schools.
In Lübbecke, another town in NRW, teachers and students were given less than 24 hours to vacate the Jahn-Realschule, a secondary school for 150 students, so that the building can be used to house 300 migrants.
The school principal, Marion Bienen, said that municipal authorities notified her at 5:30 pm on Tuesday, September 15, that last day of classes at the school would be Wednesday, September 16. Students were ordered immediately to remove all of their belongings from the premises and to take a week off until alternative classrooms could be found."
If such stories are true, they surely can't bode well for the future. Not for Germans, not for migrants.
Re the proposed evictions from home, an article I read suggested that what the German authorities were doing was illegal. It will be interesting to see whether it is successfully challenged.
But regardless it demonstrates the stupidity of the original proposal. I cannot think of anything less inclined to promote integration and social cohesion than the suggestion that people should be evicted from their homes and schools to house people who have no connection with the country and, in a large number of cases, no legal claim to be in the country in the first place.
The German media is currently where the UK media was in the early 2000s. They refuse to cover such stories because they feel the public might form the wrong conclusions.
Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out The Death of Property Rights
The way local German governments are forcing resident germans from their homes to make room for the new immigrants that are arriving.
It could happen here too.
True anecdote. Was with my parents for a few days in Berlin, back in 2002. We were walking somewhere near the River Spree, and asked a passing motorist for directions towards the east of the city (IIRC). He promptly got out of his car, and asked his wife and kid to get out so that he could give us a lift!
Aghast, we said something like, "No, no! We just wanted directions! We'll just walk or take the bus!"
We were quite shocked that he was prepared to turf out his own family from his car!
Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out The Death of Property Rights
The way local German governments are forcing resident germans from their homes to make room for the new immigrants that are arriving.
It could happen here too.
From the same article: "Germans are not only being evicted from their homes to make way for migrants, they are also being removed from their schools.
In Lübbecke, another town in NRW, teachers and students were given less than 24 hours to vacate the Jahn-Realschule, a secondary school for 150 students, so that the building can be used to house 300 migrants.
The school principal, Marion Bienen, said that municipal authorities notified her at 5:30 pm on Tuesday, September 15, that last day of classes at the school would be Wednesday, September 16. Students were ordered immediately to remove all of their belongings from the premises and to take a week off until alternative classrooms could be found."
If such stories are true, they surely can't bode well for the future. Not for Germans, not for migrants.
Re the proposed evictions from home, an article I read suggested that what the German authorities were doing was illegal. It will be interesting to see whether it is successfully challenged.
But regardless it demonstrates the stupidity of the original proposal. I cannot think of anything less inclined to promote integration and social cohesion than the suggestion that people should be evicted from their homes and schools to house people who have no connection with the country and, in a large number of cases, no legal claim to be in the country in the first place.
We will be accepting refugees from Germany at this rate. (German ones.) It might be a good deal.
I'm not sure that left wing politics will be any more palatable to middle England expressed in a 'relaxed, confident' manner than at the end of a megaphone.
It doesn;t seem to occur to many commentators that voters might actually look at Corbyn's policies.
One must realise that Corbyn is as slippery as they come, as well as being an accomplished zig-zagger he will soon be proven as a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing on Marr about his anti-semitism and his views on mass immigration.
He is pro-Palestinian who are semites !
Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works.
If Bernie Sanders became President of the US and Netanyahu remained PM of Israel, Corbyn would be more pro US but still anti Israel
He'd be pro-Sanders, not pro-American. As an anti-capitalist who sees the world in terms of class Corbyn regards American corporations as being at the root of all the world's evils.
If Bernie Sanders became President I would expect many US corporations to move their HQs to Geneva, the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and Singapore
But not to a Corbyn Britain. Vote Osborne!
Well indeed, if Sanders were elected US president I imagine the economic situation would be so bad Corbyn would likely be PM anyway
I don't think we need to worry too much about Sanders becoming President, almost all the republican candidates would beat him.
Almost being the key word, Sanders still leads Trump in many polls and Trump still leads the GOP nomination race
I think Trump would beat Sanders in the race. Sanders doesn't have the maths on his side.
I see the Popes useful idiots are out in force..Who said brainwashing doesn't work..It was Goebbels who said .."Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth" If The pope wants to preach extreme frugality to those people who work their socks off to feed their families, then perhaps he could quit his frugal ,fully staffed ,apartment in the Vatican City..move into a fishermans cottage on the shores of Galilee and go catch some fish for his dinner..or STFU
I see the Popes useful idiots are out in force..Who said brainwashing doesn't work..It was Goebbels who said .."Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth" If The pope wants to preach extreme frugality to those people who work their socks off to feed their families, then perhaps he could quit his frugal ,fully staffed ,apartment in the Vatican City..move into a fishermans cottage on the shores of Galilee and go catch some fish for his dinner..or STFU
The Pope does not own anything apparently ..the Fiat is probably a gift to the Church..he just gets to use it..tax free,insured and fully tanked up..lucky boy..
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Corbyn/McDonnell new economic advisory committee: Mazzucato, Stiglitz, Piketty, Nesvetailova, Blanchflower, Pettifor
Piketty quote on committee appointment: Labour's "new political economy... will expose austerity for failure it has been in UK and Europe."
http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2015/09/labour-party-conference
Labour's policy on Commons vote on Trident yesterday "conference will decide" an hour ago "shadow cabinet will decide" now its a "free vote"
Junts pel Si have said they will not worry about the vote percentage, it's the seats that count. If they get an overall majority they will seek independence. The way the vote works in Catalonia means that the ones cast in Barcelona have less value than those cast in Lleida and Girona, both of which are very strongly pro-independence. Hopefully, Junts will not get an overall majority and the PP will lose its majority in December. Those two things will clear the way to a resolution.
In any event it would to better for the tournament for the hosts to proceed .... if not only to the QF's.
Unison general secretary Dave Prentis tells #Murnaghan: "The purpose of Labour is to win elections." Plenty of Labour members need reminding
If it encourages a broader economic debate in this country that has to be a good thing. i just hope they don't get bogged down in anti-austerity populism.
But for myself I think all that does stretch to being anti jew. The hard left are happy to demonize whoever it suits them to.
Anyone remember Petrina, Richard North or Delroy Young? Carswell and Suzanne are just the latest in the list.
Here is a list from 5 years ago with only a couple drifting back.
http://caterpillarsandbutterflies1.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/doc022-they-quit-ukip-mostly-in-disgust.html
1. Lack of ability and discipline at the breakdown. Recurring fault.
2. The inability to kill off the game. Recurring fault.
3. Moving Farrell's position late in the game.
How do you find your previous comments, without having to trawl through previous threads that is?
Thanks.
It was an older chap with glasses. I think they mentioned the names Peter Byrne and Tom Bray at the end, but not sure which was which.
I'm unsure whether the Pope's Fiat 500 limo would float or fly over the Atlantic ?!? ... What's your view?
I seriously doubt that's the case. It would be much harder to stick that image on her than Farage. Other parties would be much more likely to attack a lack of experience (although the same could be said for Farage himself).
What would have been interesting to see is how Evans would have dealt with some of the media sh*tstorms that UKIP had, many of which were accentuated by a lack of internal discipline. Would she have had the political capital within the party to act with the necessary strength? Having said that, Farage wasn't exactly the best at that either.
Farage has taken UKIP as far as it can go.
One woman shouts: "There are six men on that platform and one woman..." I can't hear the rest of what she says as there's applause #Lab15
— Richard Wheeler (@richard_kaputt) September 27, 2015
Miss Plato, Darth Vera would say: "I find your lack of ovaries disturbing."
Mr. Observer (2), cheers for that vote-counting info.
Those who are in Europe already are often the ones who have had money enough to pay people smugglers. They have had the means to make conscious decisions. Those in the camps do not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAAnV-AolTI
"I was not the best because I won elections quickly. I was the best because the Selectorate loved me. Win the Selectorate, and you will win your freedom!"
Reselection seems like a very risky path for Labour, it could cause quite a few defections of Labour MPs looking after their own jobs and futures.
"Corbyn is not anti-Semitic, he is anti-American. His dislike of Israel stems from its friendship with the US. That leads him to sit down with the most vile of people and call them his friends. It is the twisted way the hard left works."
No-one can know whether Corbyn is or is not anti-Semitic. But what his associations tell us is that he's not bothered - or not enough - by others' anti-Semitism if they support him or are useful in some other cause, more important to him. He is willing to turn a blind eye to the anti-Semitism of others.
I will repost some comments I made a few weeks back. Whenever the subject of being anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Western or anti-Semitic comes up, the usual silly accusations are made.
"I'm probably wasting time here but let me try anyway.
Not all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic and it is wrong to claim that it is or to claim that one must not criticise Israel in general or particular Israeli governments in particular because to do so would be anti-Semitic. That is an attempt to shut down debate. Just because Jews have been the victims of the worst case of genocide we have known and repeated attacks over centuries does not mean that they are immune from bad behaviour themselves. Being a victim does not imbue one with some sort of automatic moral superiority.
Equally, it is also the case that there are people who are anti-Semitic and who mask this by claiming to be anti-Zionist and use the anti-Zionist label in order to make anti-Semitic attacks on Israel and on Jews. The Zionist label has been a gift to such people. And it is one reason why people are sensitive to the use of such a term.
There is also something quite troubling and disturbing about the viciousness with which Jews ae attacked for somehow betraying the moral superiority they are meant to have as a result of being victims, almost as if they are being attacked for being victims.
There are others who, while being hyper-sensitive to the perception which some minority groups have to statements made about them which may be seen to be stereotypical or too broad brush or offensive or just plain insensitive, seem surprisingly insensitive to the perception which Jews have of how they are described even though they are good historical reasons why Jews would be sensitive to the portrayal of them in the media and by politicians.
And now I await the bucketloads of abuse which will surely be the fate of anyone treading on such delicate ground."
Labour spout platitudes but act like philistines.
Germany: Migrants In, Germans Out
The Death of Property Rights
The way local German governments are forcing resident germans from their homes to make room for the new immigrants that are arriving.
It could happen here too.
It's widely appreciated, even by his critics, that the Pope lives a frugal life within the gilded cage that he was elected to. A head of state utilizing a private jet for logistical and security reasons is perfectly reasonable except to those who would have them use a tandem for local travel and a camel train, microlight, and dinghy for state visits.
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Laters .... Off to lunch .... I was thinking of going by sedan chair, but what the hell, the V12 of the Rolls beckons.
In Lübbecke, another town in NRW, teachers and students were given less than 24 hours to vacate the Jahn-Realschule, a secondary school for 150 students, so that the building can be used to house 300 migrants.
The school principal, Marion Bienen, said that municipal authorities notified her at 5:30 pm on Tuesday, September 15, that last day of classes at the school would be Wednesday, September 16. Students were ordered immediately to remove all of their belongings from the premises and to take a week off until alternative classrooms could be found."
If such stories are true, they surely can't bode well for the future. Not for Germans, not for migrants.
Merkel's migration lunacy gets more bonkers by the day.
But regardless it demonstrates the stupidity of the original proposal. I cannot think of anything less inclined to promote integration and social cohesion than the suggestion that people should be evicted from their homes and schools to house people who have no connection with the country and, in a large number of cases, no legal claim to be in the country in the first place.
Aghast, we said something like, "No, no! We just wanted directions! We'll just walk or take the bus!"
We were quite shocked that he was prepared to turf out his own family from his car!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
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