That view is confirmed by Valentine Guinness, one of the founders of the Piers Gaveston Society (it was set up in 1977), whom I spoke to this morning.
‘It is a ridiculous story,’ he says. ‘As far as I know David Cameron was never a member of the Piers Gaveston Society, so there would have been no need for an initiation ceremony. He may well have attended one of their parties, but the pig’s head story is purely malicious gossip.’
Bit Mandy Rice-Davies though isn't it. Dont think any member of a secret society is going to start admitting they and all their best friends had to have coitus with a sow.
Speak your weight machine Lilian Greenwood on DP BBC2, new Labour shadow secy for transport. Of her working life prior to 2010 she spent 17 years working for Unison in the approx 23 years since leaving uni.
She actually put the case for renationalisation well, and better than most of the proponents on here. They should listen to it.
She left some big questions unanswered though, and relied on the East Coast argument a little too heavily. I'd have loved her to be asked if the nationalised Network Rail that has caused the recent problems is a good precedent for renationalisation.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Except Ashcroft is no longer an influential member of the Tory party.
Why does it not surprise me that 99% of PB commentators have been in bizarre societies with degrading initiation ceremonies
You'll need to put me in the 1%
+1=2%
I must have led a sheltered life..
I've never done an initiation ceremony, but I've seen hazing on a few occasions, including at school. And as I mentioned earlier, some army blokes I spent a few weekends working with didn't require much encouragement to get up to some interesting antics.
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Except Ashcroft is no longer an influential member of the Tory party.
Missing the point again, Ashcroft might not be influential within the party but he's front news of a paper that is read by millions of tory voters. This will run for a week, further revelations can't possibly do Cameron any good.
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Except Ashcroft is no longer an influential member of the Tory party.
Missing the point again, Ashcroft might not be influential within the party but he's front news of a paper that is read by millions of tory voters. This will run for a week, further revelations can't possibly do Cameron any good.
Make your mind up.
One post the point is 'influential people within his party', the next it's someone who isn't.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Except Ashcroft is no longer an influential member of the Tory party.
Missing the point again, Ashcroft might not be influential within the party but he's front news of a paper that is read by millions of tory voters. This will run for a week, further revelations can't possibly do Cameron any good.
Make your mind up.
One post the point is 'influential people within his party', the next it's someone who isn't.
He must have influence if the Mail promote his book on the front page.
I appreciate there are people who want to brush this away, my point is cocaine and pigs are irrelevant, the Mail is very happy to cause Cameron discomfort. Whichever way you dress it up its not good news for him.
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
OK, just catching up with Pigcockgate. I really don't thing this has any legs or lasting political impact, other than making Cameron family dinners more awkward than normal.
I'll confess that my membership of various Midlands rugby clubs back in the day is but one of the reasons why I never went into politics. You may lump me in with the depraved 99%.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Except Ashcroft is no longer an influential member of the Tory party.
Missing the point again, Ashcroft might not be influential within the party but he's front news of a paper that is read by millions of tory voters. This will run for a week, further revelations can't possibly do Cameron any good.
Make your mind up.
One post the point is 'influential people within his party', the next it's someone who isn't.
He must have influence if the Mail promote his book on the front page.
I appreciate there are people who want to brush this away, my point is cocaine and pigs are irrelevant, the Mail is very happy to cause Cameron discomfort. Whichever way you dress it up its not good news for him.
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
So the consensus of opinion is settling on two positions: (1) No real evidence that he did it. (2) Who cares? We were all doing stuff when we were younger.
So move on. I'm not so sure. The allegations are not so much shocking as seriously, Jeremy Springer style, weird. The one killer advantage David Cameron had over Ed Milliband and now Jeremy Corbyn, was that he was seen as "prime ministerial" whereas Milliband was seen as a bit strange. But not as strange as this. Images of dead pigs will come into peoples' minds whenever David Cameron gets mentioned.
Unless David Cameron knocks the allegations on the head, I think it's over for him, with implications for George Osborne and possibly Boris Johnson too. Saying he's not going to "dignify Lord Ashcroft's allegations with a response" seems like weak spin to me.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Except Ashcroft is no longer an influential member of the Tory party.
Missing the point again, Ashcroft might not be influential within the party but he's front news of a paper that is read by millions of tory voters. This will run for a week, further revelations can't possibly do Cameron any good.
Make your mind up.
One post the point is 'influential people within his party', the next it's someone who isn't.
He must have influence if the Mail promote his book on the front page.
I appreciate there are people who want to brush this away, my point is cocaine and pigs are irrelevant, the Mail is very happy to cause Cameron discomfort. Whichever way you dress it up its not good news for him.
The Mail is happy to sell papers and drive website visits.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
Got to love the tribalists on here, Corbyn bangs Abbott 30 years ago and it proves he's a weirdo. Around the same time Cameron does the same with a pig's head, front page of the Mail, and its a non story.
This is probably apocryphal but there was a court case involving a guy who pled guilty to having sex with a dog.
He was asked "What was the gender of the dog?"
He replied "Female, I wouldn't do a male dog, I'm not a weirdo/pervert"
There was a reported case many years ago of a man having sex with a goat. An expert was asked if the animal had suffered any distress in the attack. His reply was something like: "It's hard to tell with a goat."
Ah, here it is. My details were wrong, but the general (ahem) thrust was correct: "British Transport Police Detective Inspector Dave Crinnion, who investigated, said: "I saw the goat the next day " it did not seem too upset but it is difficult to tell."
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Oh please. Lord Ashcroft is a billionnaire who can do what he likes, he doesn't need 'credibility' in the way that Cameron does.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Except Ashcroft is no longer an influential member of the Tory party.
Missing the point again, Ashcroft might not be influential within the party but he's front news of a paper that is read by millions of tory voters. This will run for a week, further revelations can't possibly do Cameron any good.
Make your mind up.
One post the point is 'influential people within his party', the next it's someone who isn't.
He must have influence if the Mail promote his book on the front page.
I appreciate there are people who want to brush this away, my point is cocaine and pigs are irrelevant, the Mail is very happy to cause Cameron discomfort. Whichever way you dress it up its not good news for him.
No newspaper wants to see a happy PM. Newspapers/Media want to see their own position strengthened and the PMs (any PM) weakened. This is all to do with newspapers being properly regulated. Newspapers do not want their own transgressions properly exposed or regulated. So this is not just Cameron they are after - all politicians will get it. All politicians will have to live with it. If people like John Prescott can survive his crude manipulation of an employee whilst actually a government minister then we have a very high bar for resignations etc. and what silly things (even if true) people get up to as 18 yr old students (or even who CND types go on bike trips with) will not bear comparison. Lets face it young Cameron was not actually going round Broad St hitting crippled beggars with a croquet mallet. What does seem nasty is bringing up the McBride type smear about Cameron's wife.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
Unless David Cameron knocks the allegations on the head, I think it's over for him, with implications for George Osborne and possibly Boris Johnson too. Saying he's not going to "dignify Lord Ashcroft's allegations with a response" seems like weak spin to me.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
This is probably apocryphal but there was a court case involving a guy who pled guilty to having sex with a dog.
He was asked "What was the gender of the dog?"
He replied "Female, I wouldn't do a male dog, I'm not a weirdo/pervert"
There was a reported case many years ago of a man having sex with a goat. An expert was asked if the animal had suffered any distress in the attack. His reply was something like: "It's hard to tell with a goat."
Ah, here it is. My details were wrong, but the general (ahem) thrust was correct: "British Transport Police Detective Inspector Dave Crinnion, who investigated, said: "I saw the goat the next day " it did not seem too upset but it is difficult to tell."
I doubt that this will make any difference to anything politically. It's just a major personal embarrassment for the PM that he is going to have to tough out. The posh really are another country, aren't they? Ho, ho.
I think we all know it isn't just posh people who do *ahem* unmusual things
Still laughing this morning but straw poll in office was that no one cares at all.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
Unless David Cameron knocks the allegations on the head, I think it's over for him, with implications for George Osborne and possibly Boris Johnson too. Saying he's not going to "dignify Lord Ashcroft's allegations with a response" seems like weak spin to me.
Don't be silly.
No-one will take him seriously. Being taken seriously is a politician's currency.
Unless David Cameron knocks the allegations on the head, I think it's over for him, with implications for George Osborne and possibly Boris Johnson too. Saying he's not going to "dignify Lord Ashcroft's allegations with a response" seems like weak spin to me.
Don't be silly.
No-one will take him seriously. Being taken seriously is a politician's currency.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
For the avoidance of doubt, I can categorically state that no pigs, dead or alive, were involved.
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
Unless David Cameron knocks the allegations on the head, I think it's over for him, with implications for George Osborne and possibly Boris Johnson too. Saying he's not going to "dignify Lord Ashcroft's allegations with a response" seems like weak spin to me.
Don't be silly.
No-one will take him seriously. Being taken seriously is a politician's currency.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
For the avoidance of doubt, I can categorically state that no pigs, dead or alive, were involved.
Just read a suggestion on twitter that team Cam knew somebody was desperate to rake up some muck...and so fed them something entirely bogus, and calculated to make them look foolish.
You're suggesting that one of Dave's mates thought inventing and spreading this story was actually quite a good idea?
Got to love the tribalists on here, Corbyn bangs Abbott 30 years ago and it proves he's a weirdo. Around the same time Cameron does the same with a pig's head, front page of the Mail, and its a non story.
Cameron's trip to apartheid South Africa is ok, Corbyn going to East Germany proves he is a commie
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
OK, just catching up with Pigcockgate. I really don't thing this has any legs or lasting political impact, other than making Cameron family dinners more awkward than normal.
You've got to pity his poor daughter at secondary school, too.
It is perhaps worth mentioning today since it will not get much coverage otherwise (especially here) that Osborne is in China securing infrastructure investment that would otherwise cost us eye-watering amounts of 'People's QE'. But the real point of my comment is not that it involved 25 billions worth of power station at Hinkley Point nor that it is aimed at building another one in Essex. But that he is accompanied by representatives of our 'northern powerhouse'. All the sad accusations that tories do not want to see success in and have no time for the North do not wash. http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/george-osborne-use-trip-china-10087987 ''regions such as Greater Manchester should take lessons from developing ‘city clusters’ such as Chengdu and Chongqing.''
Any notion that GB is just some simpering lackey to the USA can take a back seat from this trip. ''Osborne is also politely ignoring Washington, which is increasingly uneasy about what it sees as the Treasury's disloyal Beijing tilt (the White House was unamused, Beijing smug, when the UK became the first western member of the Chinese-sponsored Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank)'' (Peston at the BBC)
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
Got to love the tribalists on here, Corbyn bangs Abbott 30 years ago and it proves he's a weirdo. Around the same time Cameron does the same with a pig's head, front page of the Mail, and its a non story.
not at all.
It's just that having an affair with Diane Abbott or putting your schlonger into the mouth of a dead pig are things that most people can't conceive as being something that anyone would actually want to do.
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Oh please. Lord Ashcroft is a billionnaire who can do what he likes, he doesn't need 'credibility' in the way that Cameron does.
Wrong. He needs credibility to operate in the major markets.
Of course he can hole up in Belize and count his gold if he prefers
Unless David Cameron knocks the allegations on the head, I think it's over for him, with implications for George Osborne and possibly Boris Johnson too. Saying he's not going to "dignify Lord Ashcroft's allegations with a response" seems like weak spin to me.
Don't be silly.
No-one will take him seriously. Being taken seriously is a politician's currency.
How do you explain Boris Johnson then?
Good question. Not sure how to answer it. Johnson's bit of a lad image is carefully cultivated and spun. He's trying to give the impression that is he's a normal, slightly lovable and actually unspun individual. Whereas I don't think Cameron is carefully cultivating pig shagging stories and I don't think most people would see it as normal, nor would he try to claim it was.
All I will say about the pbTory initiation ceremony is that Dr Nabavi went white overnight, I continue to have trouble walking after two years but the (live) komodo dragon still has a self-satisfied smile.
For the avoidance of doubt, I can categorically state that no pigs, dead or alive, were involved.
That's good. The police tend to get upset about ceremonies involving dead colleagues.
More entertaining than the more lurid pieces, to be honest. Knowing what else is being said on the internet, and how careful they have to be as a result, makes it very enjoyable. It's knowing the bits not written down that make it for me.
I'm sure this will amount to nothing, unless a photo emerges, but I appreciate even some on the right have had some fun with it. I think that's a better approach then trying to act as though shaggin a dead pig is harmless student hijinks, which as sheltered a life as I have apparently led, I still don't think is the case. It's weird and twisted sh2t if it happened, not even a case of a less common feitish or something which might be embarrassing but harmless.
If you had told me last Monday that we would have a thread based on bestiality, necrophilia and porcine fellatio I'd have thought you had lost it.
Got to love the tribalists on here, Corbyn bangs Abbott 30 years ago and it proves he's a weirdo. Around the same time Cameron does the same with a pig's head, front page of the Mail, and its a non story.
not at all.
It's just that having an affair with Diane Abbott or putting your schlonger into the mouth of a dead pig are things that most people can't conceive as being something that anyone would actually want to do.
Oh come off it, was Abbott in her 20s really that bad, of course not. Does it matter that he put his pecker in a dead pig at uni, of course not.
Its the infantile double standards and point scoring I find amusing, both sides jumping up and down with fake outrage.
I maintain that pig-gate is more dangerous, not because of the pig but because of the story teller, despite the spin from the tories on here its bad news and Cameron will know it.
Blimey, I'm beginning to realise that some people on here actually believe this story.
That's even funnier than the story itself.
Mr. Navabi, mud has been smeared on Cameron. Cameron can ignore it or try to disprove it, if possible. Whatever the immediate outlook, Lord Ashcroft will not be trusted again.
This is probably apocryphal but there was a court case involving a guy who pled guilty to having sex with a dog.
He was asked "What was the gender of the dog?"
He replied "Female, I wouldn't do a male dog, I'm not a weirdo/pervert"
There is a story, possibly true, of a man in Glasgow High Court of forcing his slightly less than significant other to have intercourse with an Alsatian. A young Counsel asked her, “And was this a rare occurrence?”
To which she replied, “Well you might think it was rare sonny but I thought it was disgusting.”
I think lots of people are missing the point here, whether Cameron snorted coke or put his nob in a pig is irrelevant, the story is that influential people within his party, aided and abetted by the Mail, are keen to damage him.
The story will disappear, Ashcroft won't.
Oh please. Lord Ashcroft is a billionnaire who can do what he likes, he doesn't need 'credibility' in the way that Cameron does.
Wrong. He needs credibility to operate in the major markets.
Of course he can hole up in Belize and count his gold if he prefers
Yes, well I'm sure the revelations that David Cameron is into Porcine fellatio will be profoundly damaging to Lord Ashcroft, what other conclusion could be drawn?
Just read a suggestion on twitter that team Cam knew somebody was desperate to rake up some muck...and so fed them something entirely bogus, and calculated to make them look foolish.
You're suggesting that one of Dave's mates thought inventing and spreading this story was actually quite a good idea?
Bizarre indeed - though there was a story on LastWeekTonight a little while ago about a state representative who made up stories of himself visiting male prostitutes in order to deflect from rumours of his affair with another state rep. That story was 100% true apparently, he was caught, but people were then speculating whether he'd been behind ads attacking himself as a potential chold molester (!) in order to win sympathy votes in the face of unfounded attacks. A strange world we live in.
I doubt that this will make any difference to anything politically. It's just a major personal embarrassment for the PM that he is going to have to tough out. The posh really are another country, aren't they? Ho, ho.
I'm not sure it's anything to do with poshness. I've seen some working class people do some fairly odd things as well (and no, no details).
In fact, I probably saw more dubious behaviour at the state schools I attended than the public schools.
Also, it might not be wise to insinuate all posh people are like this. Otherwise we might have to ask Charles what he got up to as a youth ...
Defending your Tory chums I see, oh wait you are not a Tory.....oops. Never heard of anything like it from working class people so you are either Tory or move in very strange circles indeed.
I doubt if class is an issue. Bestiality is probably not unheard of among farm labourers.
I once knew the sister of a copper - he had to go and explain to a farmers wife that her husband had died in somewhat unusual circumstances ...........
Blimey, I'm beginning to realise that some people on here actually believe this story.
That's even funnier than the story itself.
People defending the possibility of it as not being a big deal is the only thing making me think there could be even an ounce of truth in it. Whatever youthful shenanigans we or indeed Cameron got up to, I'd habve thought it could not possibly be so bad as to need to suggest this would not be a big deal, if true.
Now that's what I call publicity for a book! Vicky Gilder has done well. And Biteback Books are a registered donor to the Tory party too. But harm Boris? I don't think so. Voters aren't that logical.
This is going to play appallingly badly in the Muslim world. Wouldn't surprise me if a deal gets lost over it.
@Richard_Nabavi - Who cares whether it's true or not, other than in relation to whether more is going to come out?
People seem to be going on to dangerous territory now. Putting your genitals in something disgusting as a dare and having sex with that something are not the same thing. Claiming that endangers libel, I would think.
A libel case based on that distinction is probably not one which the lawyers would recommend pursuing!
I thought that Clinton clearly demonstrated that oral sex is not "sexual relations"!
I thought his defence was "oral sex is not adultery. The Bible says so."
I didn't really follow the details - that sort of petty scandal doesn't interest me (the abuse of power relationships between the intern and the president was much more significant).
All I remember was his claim that 'he did not have sexual relations with that woman'
The Clinton issue was definitely about abuse of power and all the more serious for that. It was the same with Prescott and his secretary. Prescott should have been sacked... the civil service were happily keeping it all quiet at the time.
In his time as Arizona governor Clinton (allegedly!) used state troopers to procure him women. Clinton was actualy in power as President and using and abusing that power to satisfy himself. And we should all remember what gave Kennedy heafaches, and it was not just Maralyn Monroe.
Clinton was governor of Arizona? I did not know that. Which years?
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Bit Mandy Rice-Davies though isn't it.
Dont think any member of a secret society is going to start admitting they and all their best friends had to have coitus with a sow.
She left some big questions unanswered though, and relied on the East Coast argument a little too heavily. I'd have loved her to be asked if the nationalised Network Rail that has caused the recent problems is a good precedent for renationalisation.
Has been a mysterious run on Kleenex sales in the Wirral area - More supplies being fetched in as we speak!
Maybe true, but every leader in every major party has (and always has had) sworn enemies.
I must have led a sheltered life..
Also your more like to have a heart attack within the first hour of getting out of bed than at any other time in the day.
Would be a betting thread to help on future Tory leader betting.
I take it you're all familiar with spit roasts?
Nothing to do with Dave. Honest
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spit+roast
http://www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/internacional/cameron-ceremonia-del-cerdo-oxford-4525019
He was asked "What was the gender of the dog?"
He replied "Female, I wouldn't do a male dog, I'm not a weirdo/pervert"
I don't think this is surprising to any of us that watch the BBC.
One post the point is 'influential people within his party', the next it's someone who isn't.
"When I was young and foolish, I was young and foolish"
I appreciate there are people who want to brush this away, my point is cocaine and pigs are irrelevant, the Mail is very happy to cause Cameron discomfort. Whichever way you dress it up its not good news for him.
@mediaguardian: Russia Today sanctioned by Ofcom over series of misleading articles http://t.co/1wgwaF0BRz http://t.co/0CL4scx7So
I'll confess that my membership of various Midlands rugby clubs back in the day is but one of the reasons why I never went into politics. You may lump me in with the depraved 99%.
I was young and irresponsible...
One of those things that's raised as a joke on PB forever more - and that's about it.
So move on. I'm not so sure. The allegations are not so much shocking as seriously, Jeremy Springer style, weird. The one killer advantage David Cameron had over Ed Milliband and now Jeremy Corbyn, was that he was seen as "prime ministerial" whereas Milliband was seen as a bit strange. But not as strange as this. Images of dead pigs will come into peoples' minds whenever David Cameron gets mentioned.
Unless David Cameron knocks the allegations on the head, I think it's over for him, with implications for George Osborne and possibly Boris Johnson too. Saying he's not going to "dignify Lord Ashcroft's allegations with a response" seems like weak spin to me.
http://www.itv.com/news/2015-09-21/jeremy-corbyn-sketch-sold-at-auction-for-135/
Ah, here it is. My details were wrong, but the general (ahem) thrust was correct:
"British Transport Police Detective Inspector Dave Crinnion, who investigated, said: "I saw the goat the next day " it did not seem too upset but it is difficult to tell."
http://www.rense.com/general19/gaygoat.htm
If people like John Prescott can survive his crude manipulation of an employee whilst actually a government minister then we have a very high bar for resignations etc. and what silly things (even if true) people get up to as 18 yr old students (or even who CND types go on bike trips with) will not bear comparison. Lets face it young Cameron was not actually going round Broad St hitting crippled beggars with a croquet mallet.
What does seem nasty is bringing up the McBride type smear about Cameron's wife.
I do hope George has buried all his bodies :-)
Almost word for word from an Ivor Biggun song.
What does seem nasty is bringing up the McBride type smear about Cameron's wife.
What is this?
Still laughing this morning but straw poll in office was that no one cares at all.
Don't believe PB Torees? Believe Ben from Ipsos MORI instead.
Why do you think we're all laughing about it?
It would explain a great many things.
Under half are from Syria
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/fluechtlingskrise/fluechtlinge-wer-kommt-da-eigentlich-zu-uns-13812517/infografik-herkunftslaender-13811220.html
IOS' comments on Labour's ground game. Whenever I need a laugh...
But the real point of my comment is not that it involved 25 billions worth of power station at Hinkley Point nor that it is aimed at building another one in Essex. But that he is accompanied by representatives of our 'northern powerhouse'. All the sad accusations that tories do not want to see success in and have no time for the North do not wash.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/george-osborne-use-trip-china-10087987
''regions such as Greater Manchester should take lessons from developing ‘city clusters’ such as Chengdu and Chongqing.''
Any notion that GB is just some simpering lackey to the USA can take a back seat from this trip.
''Osborne is also politely ignoring Washington, which is increasingly uneasy about what it sees as the Treasury's disloyal Beijing tilt (the White House was unamused, Beijing smug, when the UK became the first western member of the Chinese-sponsored Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank)''
(Peston at the BBC)
It's just that having an affair with Diane Abbott or putting your schlonger into the mouth of a dead pig are things that most people can't conceive as being something that anyone would actually want to do.
DUJCA?
That's even funnier than the story itself.
"M'Lud, it's the pigs' fault!".
Of course he can hole up in Belize and count his gold if he prefers
It's all very amusing - I do love conference season - we never know what's going to grab the headlines.
Ewww
Its the infantile double standards and point scoring I find amusing, both sides jumping up and down with fake outrage.
I maintain that pig-gate is more dangerous, not because of the pig but because of the story teller, despite the spin from the tories on here its bad news and Cameron will know it.
LOL
To which she replied, “Well you might think it was rare sonny but I thought it was disgusting.”
This is going to play appallingly badly in the Muslim world. Wouldn't surprise me if a deal gets lost over it.
@Richard_Nabavi - Who cares whether it's true or not, other than in relation to whether more is going to come out?