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I expect Lord Ashcroft will face tax evasion charges in 20160
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Malc
"Sounds like you knew the pig"
LOL!
Watching the Tories closing ranks is funnier than Dave and his pig.....0 -
Is Lord Ashcroft bitter about something?
I wonder whether the money he makes from his grubby little book will make up for all the pointless opinion polls the fool wasted his money on, LOL!0 -
Good morning all.
All I can say is that I am going to stop referring to my wild and misspent youth; I'm clearly an amateur debauchee who has led an incredibly sheltered life. Does it change my perception of Cameron? No. Does it change my perception of Ashcroft? Hell, yes.0 -
If... It's s big if.TOPPING said:
it's one thing doing idiotic things in the playground or JCR. It is another to engage in such behaviour today, which is what your imagined response would amount to, if you are a grown up.Dair said:I think some people are being a bit blaisé about the potential damage this could do for Cameron.
Yes, he will "It's not worth commenting in".
On the other hand, there will be a lot of oinking in the commons, Guido almost certainly has a pig costume arriving today and we could see pig masks become as ubiquitous as V masks at any and every demo you can imagine. Hell I expect a guy in a pig suit at the first by-election.
And while Sky and the BBC might be blanking it from TV coverage, it's in the papers, it's all over twitter (12 hours and it's still top three WORLDWIDE) and there will not be a workplace or school it is not discussed today.
If he does try to stick around for the next election, there will be pigs everywhere.
He will forever be known as pigf*cker. It's like the joke where the punchline is "but you shag a sheep just once..."
We had chickens during the last election as I recall. That worked out well. Funny to read the imaginative and vulger comments on here from people allegedly shocked at the story about an 18year old. Although I must confess I was more disgusted by the comments relating to Corbyn and Abbott.0 -
I wonder if Corbyn has got space for a pet pig in his garden ?0
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Indeed, the whole "this is all a perfectly normal youthful indiscretion" or "who hasn't done this at university" is actually funnier than the original story. What on Earth have they been up to?Roger said:Malc
"Sounds like you knew the pig"
LOL!
Watching the Tories closing ranks is funnier than Dave and his pig.....
Trying hard to think of any current world leader or historical leader who has had something similar.
Disraeli and the marmoset?0 -
Why so? Ugly people have desires too.flightpath01 said:
If... It's s big if.TOPPING said:
it's one thing doing idiotic things in the playground or JCR. It is another to engage in such behaviour today, which is what your imagined response would amount to, if you are a grown up.Dair said:I think some people are being a bit blaisé about the potential damage this could do for Cameron.
Yes, he will "It's not worth commenting in".
On the other hand, there will be a lot of oinking in the commons, Guido almost certainly has a pig costume arriving today and we could see pig masks become as ubiquitous as V masks at any and every demo you can imagine. Hell I expect a guy in a pig suit at the first by-election.
And while Sky and the BBC might be blanking it from TV coverage, it's in the papers, it's all over twitter (12 hours and it's still top three WORLDWIDE) and there will not be a workplace or school it is not discussed today.
If he does try to stick around for the next election, there will be pigs everywhere.
He will forever be known as pigf*cker. It's like the joke where the punchline is "but you shag a sheep just once..."
We had chickens during the last election as I recall. That worked out well. Funny to read the imaginative and vulger comments on here from people allegedly shocked at the story about an 18year old. Although I must confess I was more disgusted by the comments relating to Corbyn and Abbott.0 -
On the whole, I think Ashcroft's beef (sic) is with Cameron, not the Tory party.scotslass said:Trying to understand the politics of the timing this - why not during General Election or Tory Conference or during Westminster session?
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Well, on the plus side, I'm glad leftwingers have established that the Daily Mail IS a legitimate source for news.0
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Don't talk about the Oxford Average like that!Roger said:Topping
"As for Dave in particular, I think the response will be meh. Who hasn't done idiotic things in their younger days? "
Possibly but I understand there's a pig wandering around Oxford looking for a no win no fee lawyer......0 -
Oh Christ, get off your moral high horse for a minute hodges you cretin. As if the mail wouldn't run a million stories on Corbyn if he had done anything remotely like this.Scott_P said:
This story, while hilarious, doesn't in any way reduce Cameron in my eyes, other than to cast an unusually bright light on quite what a different world our monied elites live in. I'm much more worried about what him and his gang intend to do to the country than what he might or might not have got up to with a pigs head.
Admittedly you may say that there is an analogy there, but I couldn't possibly comment.0 -
LOL at people saying this is just a bit of 'fun'. In what world is shagging a pig fun? I've know people do some crazy things in my last two years at uni, but no one has done something that bloody weird. I don't think anyone will care much about him sleeping around or taking cannabis - however the allegations regarding cocaine being at his and his wife's home are pretty serious. I think the whole pig thing in particular has the potential to make Cameron a bit of a joke figure, really.0
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That pig wandering around Oxford..I thought she was on the opposition front bench now.
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Is The Mail not considered to be part of the dastardly Right Wing Press after this..0
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Indeed. But the damage is personal not political. In any case, Cameron won't lead the Tories into another election.Dair said:I think some people are being a bit blaisé about the potential damage this could do for Cameron.
Yes, he will "It's not worth commenting in".
On the other hand, there will be a lot of oinking in the commons, Guido almost certainly has a pig costume arriving today and we could see pig masks become as ubiquitous as V masks at any and every demo you can imagine. Hell I expect a guy in a pig suit at the first by-election.
And while Sky and the BBC might be blanking it from TV coverage, it's in the papers, it's all over twitter (12 hours and it's still top three WORLDWIDE) and there will not be a workplace or school it is not discussed today.
If he does try to stick around for the next election, there will be pigs everywhere.
He will forever be known as pigf*cker. It's like the joke where the punchline is "but you shag a sheep just once..."
On that note, it might kill off any lingering thoughts that Cameron's 'full term' might involve a dual-leadership period where he remains PM for the last few weeks of the parliament / election period while a new leader, chosen in, say, March, heads the campaign. There'd be no point enduring the jokes for the sake of a commitment that by that point would be meaningless.0 -
I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.0 -
Mate.richardDodd said:That pig wandering around Oxford..I thought she was on the opposition front bench now.
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Jonathan
"Indeed, the whole "this is all a perfectly normal youthful indiscretion" or "who hasn't done this at university" is actually funnier than the original story. What on Earth have they been up to?
I'm sure if any of us find ourselves supping with a Tory in future we'll want a pretty long spoon.0 -
TSE "I suspect that these sorts of stories will damage the leadership prospects of ....Boris Johnson and George Osborne as they will be perceived as guilty by association and pre-held preceptions as any former public schoolboy."
Yes. Also this almost guarantees Cameron is gone by 2020. Hell hath no fury than a Lord scorned.
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The Mail don't really like Cameron, they put up with him because the alternative (Corbyn) is worse.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.0 -
I'm sure all the gallant PB knights so ready to defend one of their own against 'sexism' will be donning their armour as I type.JWisemann said:
Mate.richardDodd said:That pig wandering around Oxford..I thought she was on the opposition front bench now.
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If you ever knew the people in your university's rugby club, you would know exactly why they don't think it is unusual.Jonathan said:
Indeed, the whole "this is all a perfectly normal youthful indiscretion" or "who hasn't done this at university" is actually funnier than the original story. What on Earth have they been up to?Roger said:Malc
"Sounds like you knew the pig"
LOL!
Watching the Tories closing ranks is funnier than Dave and his pig.....
Trying hard to think of any current world leader or historical leader who has had something similar.
Disraeli and the marmoset?
I actually had to endure first year in the same residence flat with two of them. Typical private school hoorays for whom drinking a pint of sick or sticking their cocks in anything (dead or alive) would not even make them blink.
That's why some people find this so easy to defend. It's their natural behaviour.0 -
Don't worry Roger.. no self respecting Tory would invite you to the table..except to clear the dishes..0
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errrr not nice to call Labour the pug uglies.richardDodd said:That pig wandering around Oxford..I thought she was on the opposition front bench now.
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Hmmmdavid_herdson said:
Indeed. But the damage is personal not political. In any case, Cameron won't lead the Tories into another election.Dair said:I think some people are being a bit blaisé about the potential damage this could do for Cameron.
Yes, he will "It's not worth commenting in".
On the other hand, there will be a lot of oinking in the commons, Guido almost certainly has a pig costume arriving today and we could see pig masks become as ubiquitous as V masks at any and every demo you can imagine. Hell I expect a guy in a pig suit at the first by-election.
And while Sky and the BBC might be blanking it from TV coverage, it's in the papers, it's all over twitter (12 hours and it's still top three WORLDWIDE) and there will not be a workplace or school it is not discussed today.
If he does try to stick around for the next election, there will be pigs everywhere.
He will forever be known as pigf*cker. It's like the joke where the punchline is "but you shag a sheep just once..."
On that note, it might kill off any lingering thoughts that Cameron's 'full term' might involve a dual-leadership period where he remains PM for the last few weeks of the parliament / election period while a new leader, chosen in, say, March, heads the campaign. There'd be no point enduring the jokes for the sake of a commitment that by that point would be meaningless.
not so sure re the political damage.
A bloke promised a cabinet job ( his version of events ) for funding the party ?
And which of those Oxbridge chappies like Boris or Osborne won't now have a bit more scrutiny if they want to be leader ?0 -
Other than during a general election, when the Mail always supports for the Conservatives, they generally hates everybody and every thing.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.0 -
It might be they think the Cons are getting away from them. What with an OM, and a clear set of policies, and a useless or at least divided opposition, and Cam determined, as far as we know, to campaign for "in".JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.
It might be that under such circumstances, the DM believes that the current government's and their own priorities don't align very well. And hence time to undermine at least Cam if not the current govt.
Just a thought...0 -
They will sell more copies and they will get a lot more online reads so they'll increase their advertising income. And they get to embarrass Dave on top. It's a dream scenario.The_Apocalypse said:
The Mail don't really like Cameron, they put up with him because the alternative (Corbyn) is worse.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.
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John-M
"Does it change my perception of Cameron? No. Does it change my perception of Ashcroft? Hell, yes."
Really? You'll be able to look at a pig without wondering to yourself whether Cameron's had it?0 -
The Mail is on the side of clicks. I know it's caricatured as right wing, but it's mostly about provoking an emotional response. It's perfectly capable of running "Migrants will murder us all in our beds" and "Heartbreaking pictures of forlorn migrant children" on the same page.GIN1138 said:
Other than during a general election, when the Mail always supports for the Conservatives, they generally hates everybody and every thing.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.
I make a point of reading the Scotsman, Independent, Guardian, Telegraph and the Mail sites most days. I draw the line at the Express
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Should it be mostly true (remember it's the Mail we're dealing with here), why should anyone be surprised?
That is all.0 -
Indeed. There are a lot of liberal-left fits of faux moral outrage to take off the books.JosiasJessop said:A side-issue to this is the one on laws against various forms of 'deviancy', which the coalition tightened up. So face-sitting porn (*) is illegal, but this is not?
We need a little more sanity in the laws. It shouldn't be a case of "my deviancies are fine, but yours are wrong".
Starting with the Extreme Pornography Act.
Unfortunately the likes of Claire Perry caught the same disease.
So tempting to repost the Petting Zoo animation.
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Yep - I bet that the DM will get more than 1k comments on this article by the end of the day. And their comments section is always good for a laugh.SouthamObserver said:
They will sell more copies and they will get a lot more online reads so they'll increase their advertising income. And they get to embarrass Dave on top. It's a dream scenario.The_Apocalypse said:
The Mail don't really like Cameron, they put up with him because the alternative (Corbyn) is worse.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.
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He demanded a job from Howard too in return for donations - he didn't get one then either.Alanbrooke said:
Hmmmdavid_herdson said:
Indeed. But the damage is personal not political. In any case, Cameron won't lead the Tories into another election.Dair said:I think some people are being a bit blaisé about the potential damage this could do for Cameron.
Yes, he will "It's not worth commenting in".
On the other hand, there will be a lot of oinking in the commons, Guido almost certainly has a pig costume arriving today and we could see pig masks become as ubiquitous as V masks at any and every demo you can imagine. Hell I expect a guy in a pig suit at the first by-election.
And while Sky and the BBC might be blanking it from TV coverage, it's in the papers, it's all over twitter (12 hours and it's still top three WORLDWIDE) and there will not be a workplace or school it is not discussed today.
If he does try to stick around for the next election, there will be pigs everywhere.
He will forever be known as pigf*cker. It's like the joke where the punchline is "but you shag a sheep just once..."
On that note, it might kill off any lingering thoughts that Cameron's 'full term' might involve a dual-leadership period where he remains PM for the last few weeks of the parliament / election period while a new leader, chosen in, say, March, heads the campaign. There'd be no point enduring the jokes for the sake of a commitment that by that point would be meaningless.
not so sure re the political damage.
A bloke promised a cabinet job ( his version of events ) for funding the party ?
And which of those Oxbridge chappies like Boris or Osborne won't now have a bit more scrutiny if they want to be leader ?0 -
Alanbrook
"not so sure re the political damage.
A bloke promised a cabinet job ( his version of events ) for funding the party ?"
And God only knows what he promised the pig0 -
It's great to see laughter again from my Labour supporting friends.
So we're agreed what a leader did in the past is fair game ?0 -
The Mail always gets the most lurid serialisations - they do a cracking job of it. I don't mind them TBH as everyone gets done over.GIN1138 said:
Other than during a general election, when the Mail always supports for the Conservatives, they generally hates everybody and every thing.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.0 -
Thinking about it, the line the Tories should definitely take is "Lord Ashcroft wanted a job in exchange for his previous political donations. We do not believe in money buying political favours."
It's the perfect response. Student antics, even disgusting ones, seem like small fry compared to the issue of political corruption. And it forces Labour MPs to be seen to be supporting the Ashcroft side.0 -
1.2k alreadyThe_Apocalypse said:
Yep - I bet that the DM will get more than 1k comments on this article by the end of the day. And their comments section is always good for a laugh.SouthamObserver said:
They will sell more copies and they will get a lot more online reads so they'll increase their advertising income. And they get to embarrass Dave on top. It's a dream scenario.The_Apocalypse said:
The Mail don't really like Cameron, they put up with him because the alternative (Corbyn) is worse.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.0 -
He didn't get one though, which has to cast doubt on the credibility of the claim. In fact, not only did he not get a cabinet job, he wasn't given any government job. There might have been legitimate practical reasons for going back on such a promise had one been made, but surely there'd have been a consolation offer if so. But there hasn't been. Proving such an offer was never made is of course impossible (something of which Ashcroft is no doubt fully aware). Nonetheless, the circumstantial evidence to verify it is weak.Alanbrooke said:
Hmmmdavid_herdson said:
Indeed. But the damage is personal not political. In any case, Cameron won't lead the Tories into another election.Dair said:I think some people are being a bit blaisé about the potential damage this could do for Cameron.
Yes, he will "It's not worth commenting in".
On the other hand, there will be a lot of oinking in the commons, Guido almost certainly has a pig costume arriving today and we could see pig masks become as ubiquitous as V masks at any and every demo you can imagine. Hell I expect a guy in a pig suit at the first by-election.
And while Sky and the BBC might be blanking it from TV coverage, it's in the papers, it's all over twitter (12 hours and it's still top three WORLDWIDE) and there will not be a workplace or school it is not discussed today.
If he does try to stick around for the next election, there will be pigs everywhere.
He will forever be known as pigf*cker. It's like the joke where the punchline is "but you shag a sheep just once..."
On that note, it might kill off any lingering thoughts that Cameron's 'full term' might involve a dual-leadership period where he remains PM for the last few weeks of the parliament / election period while a new leader, chosen in, say, March, heads the campaign. There'd be no point enduring the jokes for the sake of a commitment that by that point would be meaningless.
not so sure re the political damage.
A bloke promised a cabinet job ( his version of events ) for funding the party ?
And which of those Oxbridge chappies like Boris or Osborne won't now have a bit more scrutiny if they want to be leader ?0 -
From thread header:
"Had this biography come out during the election campaign I suspect it might been a ‘game changer’."
You really think so? The Tories won the election, not because everybody loved Dave and thought what an upstanding person he is, but because they didn't trust Ed Miliband with their job, their home, their money or their country.
Whether Dave "had" the pig a long time ago will/would make little difference...
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I wonder who tipped off Tatler:Theuniondivvie said:
I'm sure all the gallant PB knights so ready to defend one of their own against 'sexism' will be donning their armour as I type.JWisemann said:
Mate.richardDodd said:That pig wandering around Oxford..I thought she was on the opposition front bench now.
http://www.tatler.com/news/articles/september-2014/inside-oxford-university-secret-drinking-clubs
Does Ashcroft have it in for Osbo as well ? Perhaps this is all for Boris's benefit - even if worse headlines were to appear about Boris it would probably further boost his popularity.0 -
That would need to be true though. Ashcroft would sue the pants off anyone making that claim if it were not.JEO said:Thinking about it, the line the Tories should definitely take is "Lord Ashcroft wanted a job in exchange for his previous political donations. We do not believe in money buying political favours."
It's the perfect response. Student antics, even disgusting ones, seem like small fry compared to the issue of political corruption. And it forces Labour MPs to be seen to be supporting the Ashcroft side.
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Mr. JEO, indeed. That's the line to take.0
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Wow - it'll be 2k by the end of the day!Plato_Says said:1.2k already
The_Apocalypse said:
Yep - I bet that the DM will get more than 1k comments on this article by the end of the day. And their comments section is always good for a laugh.SouthamObserver said:
They will sell more copies and they will get a lot more online reads so they'll increase their advertising income. And they get to embarrass Dave on top. It's a dream scenario.The_Apocalypse said:
The Mail don't really like Cameron, they put up with him because the alternative (Corbyn) is worse.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.0 -
The Tory meme during the election was you can't trust Ed Miliband because he's a back stabbing weirdo might have lost its potency when your leader has this story with pigs to deal with.GIN1138 said:From thread header:
"Had this biography come out during the election campaign I suspect it might been a ‘game changer’."
You really think so? The Tories won the election, not because everybody loved Dave and thought what an upstanding person he is, but because they didn't trust Ed Miliband with they job, their home, they money or their country.
Whether Dave "had" the pig a long time ago will/would make little difference...0 -
It is to the run up to the Tory conference.Theuniondivvie said:
On the whole, I think Ashcroft's beef (sic) is with Cameron, not the Tory party.scotslass said:Trying to understand the politics of the timing this - why not during General Election or Tory Conference or during Westminster session?
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There was a story last week with the top comment from about 2.5k getting over 12k recommends - and I've forgotten what it was.The_Apocalypse said:
Wow - it'll be 2k by the end of the day!Plato_Says said:1.2k already
The_Apocalypse said:
Yep - I bet that the DM will get more than 1k comments on this article by the end of the day. And their comments section is always good for a laugh.SouthamObserver said:
They will sell more copies and they will get a lot more online reads so they'll increase their advertising income. And they get to embarrass Dave on top. It's a dream scenario.The_Apocalypse said:
The Mail don't really like Cameron, they put up with him because the alternative (Corbyn) is worse.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.0 -
That is brilliant.Jonathan said:Twitter is a gift...
The one about Dave not being able to call SamCam "Babe" any more is the best.
The other one about Dave being a threat to our national charcuterie is also good.
To be honest, the whole affair confirms a belief that has been growing in me for a while, now. All of us must have somehow slipped a parallel reality in May, one where political life is entirely scripted by Armando Iannucci. It's the only rational explanation.0 -
Ooooooooooo....
Another reason to vote for OUT:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34309642
Someone called Nick Clegg (???????) say's that voting OUT could see the moaning, whining Scots **** off once and for all....
Finally the English get a say not just on Europe but on what we think to Scotland.
#bringiton0 -
I don't think Cameron will give an oink.. but his wife's family and their lawyers might.. and her family could probably buy and sell Ashcroft0
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I'm also going to retire the term "Traitorous pig dog defector" as it conjures up too many wrong images.0
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Probably the Charlotte Proudman story no doubt.Plato_Says said:There was a story last week with the top comment from about 2.5k getting over 12k recommends - and I've forgotten what it was.
The_Apocalypse said:
Wow - it'll be 2k by the end of the day!Plato_Says said:1.2k already
The_Apocalypse said:
Yep - I bet that the DM will get more than 1k comments on this article by the end of the day. And their comments section is always good for a laugh.SouthamObserver said:
They will sell more copies and they will get a lot more online reads so they'll increase their advertising income. And they get to embarrass Dave on top. It's a dream scenario.The_Apocalypse said:
The Mail don't really like Cameron, they put up with him because the alternative (Corbyn) is worse.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.
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I know 2008 was before Cameron's time but it seems that if the photo ever appears, it will be illegal to possess.
https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/3lq479/david_cameron_accused_of_necrophilia_with_dead_pig/cv8pftn
An image falls within this subsection if it portrays, in an explicit and realistic way, any of the following— ... (d) a person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive) (Section 63 7 (d)).0 -
Good (serious) piece on #baeofpigs and hazing in general:
http://www.robfahey.co.uk/blog/the-pm-the-pig-and-musings-on-power/0 -
Honestly, it's so far outside my normal experience, I don't know what I'd think. To run with your example, let's pretend that Cameron had a thing for pigs. People's sexual proclivities aren't something I try to judge others on, nor do I use it as a basis for friendship. Mote, beam etc.Roger said:John-M
"Does it change my perception of Cameron? No. Does it change my perception of Ashcroft? Hell, yes."
Really? You'll be able to look at a pig without wondering to yourself whether Cameron's had it?
He's certainly lost respect, and he'll be the butt of endless japes in the Twittersphere and beyond, but it's not as if it really bears on his ability to run the country.
There will be more revelations, and I'll be better able to make an assessment once Ashcroft has fully vented his spleen.0 -
Now this story from biography should help Dave
Romantic opportunities were one of the perks of the job. ‘All the girls fancied him,’ according to one account.
Cameron’s most significant conquest was a beautiful blonde called Laura Adshead, who seemed destined for a stellar political career. Educated at Cheltenham Ladies’ College and Oxford, she dated him for a year.
When Cameron ended it, Laura was so upset that she reportedly had to be given a period of compassionate leave from work.
Later, she moved to America, where her hard-partying lifestyle spiralled into drink and drug addiction.
Subsequently, she became a nun.
Now in her late-40s, she is known as Sister John Mary and lives at the Abbey of Regina Laudis in a little town called Bethlehem, in Connecticut.
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Labour MPs defecting to Lib Dems? 'Like quitting The Beatles for a Bananarama tribute band', says Tom Watson
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11879135/Labour-MPs-defecting-to-Lib-Dems-Like-quitting-The-Beatles-for-a-Bananarama-tribute-band-says-Tom-Watson.html0 -
Well two pointsdavid_herdson said:
He didn't get one though, which has to cast doubt on the credibility of the claim. In fact, not only did he not get a cabinet job, he wasn't given any government job. There might have been legitimate practical reasons for going back on such a promise had one been made, but surely there'd have been a consolation offer if so. But there hasn't been. Proving such an offer was never made is of course impossible (something of which Ashcroft is no doubt fully aware). Nonetheless, the circumstantial evidence to verify it is weak.Alanbrooke said:
Hmmmdavid_herdson said:
Indeed. But the damage is personal not political. In any case, Cameron won't lead the Tories into another election.Dair said:I think some people are being a bit blaisé about the potential damage this could do for Cameron.
Yes, he will "It's not worth commenting in".
On the other hand, there will be a lot of oinking in the commons, Guido almost certainly has a gs everywhere.
He will forever be known as pigf*cker. It's like the joke where the punchline is "but you shag a sheep just once..."
On that note, it might kill off any lingering thoughts that Cameron's 'full term' might involve a dual-leadership period where he remains PM for the last few weeks of the parliament / election period while a new leader, chosen in, say, March, heads the campaign. There'd be no point enduring the jokes for the sake of a commitment that by that point would be meaningless.
not so sure re the political damage.
A bloke promised a cabinet job ( his version of events ) for funding the party ?
And which of those Oxbridge chappies like Boris or Osborne won't now have a bit more scrutiny if they want to be leader ?
- the job offer issue will simply hang around like a bad smell and be used by the opposition to discredit the Tories - cue Len mcCluskey
- there's then the LA issue itself. I've had more than my fair share of criticism from PB righties over the years when I've said there's nothing particularly generous from LA's funding of VCs and polls if it's subsidised by the rest of us taxpayers. Maybe the blues should start looking more critically at who's giving them funding.0 -
I thought we had seen the last of the threads that read as though written by the boy at the bottom of the class on the morning bus, but it seems not.
An English teacher would surely hand this back.
Can't someone he likes have a word/give some lessons?
Edit: or is this awful grammar, awkward phrase construction, repetition of words etc deliberate trolling? If so, fair play0 -
It feels to me like Ashcroft became a bit of an embarrassment during the GE2010 campaign due to his wealth, profile and prominence. Dave didn't get good press about it at the time and perhaps he decided it was just too much of a liability to proceed with in coalition.david_herdson said:
He didn't get one though, which has to cast doubt on the credibility of the claim. In fact, not only did he not get a cabinet job, he wasn't given any government job. There might have been legitimate practical reasons for going back on such a promise had one been made, but surely there'd have been a consolation offer if so. But there hasn't been. Proving such an offer was never made is of course impossible (something of which Ashcroft is no doubt fully aware). Nonetheless, the circumstantial evidence to verify it is weak.Alanbrooke said:
Hmmmdavid_herdson said:
Indeed. But the damage is personal not political. In any case, Cameron won't lead the Tories into another election.Dair said:I think some people are being a bit blaisé about the potential damage this could do for Cameron.
Yes, he will "It's not worth commenting in".
On the other hand, there will be a lot of oinking in the commons, Guido almost certainly has a pig costume arriving today and we could see pig masks become as ubiquitous as V masks at any and every demo you can imagine. Hell I expect a guy in a pig suit at the first by-election.
And while Sky and the BBC might be blanking it from TV coverage, it's in the papers, it's all over twitter (12 hours and it's still top three WORLDWIDE) and there will not be a workplace or school it is not discussed today.
If he does try to stick around for the next election, there will be pigs everywhere.
He will forever be known as pigf*cker. It's like the joke where the punchline is "but you shag a sheep just once..."
On that note, it might kill off any lingering thoughts that Cameron's 'full term' might involve a dual-leadership period where he remains PM for the last few weeks of the parliament / election period while a new leader, chosen in, say, March, heads the campaign. There'd be no point enduring the jokes for the sake of a commitment that by that point would be meaningless.
not so sure re the political damage.
A bloke promised a cabinet job ( his version of events ) for funding the party ?
And which of those ?
So if I were Ashcroft, I'd have been annoyed too - it's ungrateful and rude.
That said, being a big donor to the party and volunteer/organiser should not entitle you to any government job - and doubtless many people would be criticising Cameron if it did - so even though he may have a grievance, I think Ashcroft hasn't conducted himself with any real sense of class in this affair.0 -
Hmm. "Cracking" job, or "crackling" job?Plato_Says said:The Mail always gets the most lurid serialisations - they do a cracking job of it. I don't mind them TBH as everyone gets done over.
GIN1138 said:
Other than during a general election, when the Mail always supports for the Conservatives, they generally hates everybody and every thing.JWisemann said:I'm still slightly confused as to what the Mail's agenda is with this. As there surely will be one.
Yes, RD I think we can still safely say the Mail is part of the right wing press.0 -
On topic: The Mail has taken a very odd approach to this story, undermining their own serialisation by presenting it as an act of revenge by Lord Ashcroft.0
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I agree too ! But your comment also gives the hint that you think dead pig-fucking is quite normal. I thought it only happened in Wyoming !CarlottaVance said:
Much as you may wish it to be, its not.Estobar said:
I'm afraid this is the end of Cameron. (If true.)malcolmg said:
TFS, we may be a bit more genteel up here , but to me pig's did not feature in any jolly japes. Trying to equate that with normal is NOT normal.TwistedFireStopper said:
I don't think it is class based. Any group of young lads, trying to fit in with a tribal culture, such as a gang, or a sports team, or a job with a strong team culture such as the armed forces, police or fire sevice can get up to some crazy stuff when drink has been taken. I well remember The Dance Of The Flaming Arseholes. ......malcolmg said:
Defending your Tory chums I see, oh wait you are not a Tory.....oops.JosiasJessop said:
I'm not sure it's anything to do with poshness. I've seen some working class people do some fairly odd things as well (and no, no details).SouthamObserver said:I doubt that this will make any difference to anything politically. It's just a major personal embarrassment for the PM that he is going to have to tough out. The posh really are another country, aren't they? Ho, ho.
In fact, I probably saw more dubious behaviour at the state schools I attended than the public schools.
Also, it might not be wise to insinuate all posh people are like this. Otherwise we might have to ask Charles what he got up to as a youth ...
Never heard of anything like it from working class people so you are either Tory or move in very strange circles indeed.
I think the drug taking is the more serious allegation for Cameron to deal with, to be honest, as it tries to drag his wife into it as well.0 -
I'd rather we looked at the policies personally. But this is funny for sheer surrealism.TheScreamingEagles said:It's great to see laughter again from my Labour supporting friends.
So we're agreed what a leader did in the past is fair game ?
It's like living in a black mirror/thick of it crossover first draft that would have been tossed for suspension of disbelief issues.
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There seems to be some "but its the Daily Mail you lefties don't believe it" commentary around.
The Mail is the best tabloid there is. Lurid, sensationalist, hypocritical - everything its readers want. Hence the huge circulation. A large part of the problem I have with the paper is that it applies absurd at times amount of spin on stories. Doesn't mean that the stories are made up (thats for The Sun...), just out of context.0 -
Who has asked him to resign ?TGOHF said:
It's a fiction.richardDodd said:TGOHF..It might just get an outing now.. .
Still Cam should resign for some student pranks 30 years ago - lol.0 -
I'll probably cope, all things considered.John_M said:
Honestly, it's so far outside my normal experience, I don't know what I'd think. To run with your example, let's pretend that Cameron had a thing for pigs. People's sexual proclivities aren't something I try to judge others on, nor do I use it as a basis for friendship. Mote, beam etc.Roger said:John-M
"Does it change my perception of Cameron? No. Does it change my perception of Ashcroft? Hell, yes."
Really? You'll be able to look at a pig without wondering to yourself whether Cameron's had it?
He's certainly lost respect, and he'll be the butt of endless japes in the Twittersphere and beyond, but it's not as if it really bears on his ability to run the country.
There will be more revelations, and I'll be better able to make an assessment once Ashcroft has fully vented his spleen.
Plus, the links to LBJ quote and the Black Mirror episode make me really, severely doubt its veracity.0 -
I think the pertinent question should be : Does the average pig farmer get higher subsidies than a chicken farmer ?dr_spyn said:Michael Deacon @MichaelPDeacon 55s55 seconds ago
The people tweeting that they can't wait till this week's PMQs are going to be so disappointed when they find out
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.0 -
And all the lefties were agreeing with you when the Mail printed stories about Brown/Miliband/Corbyn.RochdalePioneers said:The Mail is the best tabloid there is. Lurid, sensationalist, hypocritical - everything its readers want. Hence the huge circulation.
oh, wait...0 -
One thing we can say.... Cameron will be dogged by pig noises from the Labour benches everytime he enters the Chamber...
New politics? Ha!0 -
Surely no one thinks he has a thing for pigs. These secret societies of chums that run the country, that demand allegiance by doing degrading things so that there is a certain level of control over you, are a fact, though. Whether there is truth to this particular incident.0
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@LegalBizzle: Somehow even better in French: http://t.co/FTguxBoh9t0
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I'm going to have to read the whole Mail article now, what's Black Mirror? And Lyndon Johnson?!?!BannedInParis said:
I'll probably cope, all things considered.John_M said:
Honestly, it's so far outside my normal experience, I don't know what I'd think. To run with your example, let's pretend that Cameron had a thing for pigs. People's sexual proclivities aren't something I try to judge others on, nor do I use it as a basis for friendship. Mote, beam etc.Roger said:John-M
"Does it change my perception of Cameron? No. Does it change my perception of Ashcroft? Hell, yes."
Really? You'll be able to look at a pig without wondering to yourself whether Cameron's had it?
He's certainly lost respect, and he'll be the butt of endless japes in the Twittersphere and beyond, but it's not as if it really bears on his ability to run the country.
There will be more revelations, and I'll be better able to make an assessment once Ashcroft has fully vented his spleen.
Plus, the links to LBJ quote and the Black Mirror episode make me really, severely doubt its veracity.0 -
None of us know Abbott personally, so there's less invested.Theuniondivvie said:
I'm sure all the gallant PB knights so ready to defend one of their own against 'sexism' will be donning their armour as I type.JWisemann said:
Mate.richardDodd said:That pig wandering around Oxford..I thought she was on the opposition front bench now.
But being rude about someone just because of their looks is pretty pointless.0 -
Look what he did to this nice girl. If only they shared joints at the beginning, she could have been his wife !TheScreamingEagles said:Now this story from biography should help Dave
Romantic opportunities were one of the perks of the job. ‘All the girls fancied him,’ according to one account.
Cameron’s most significant conquest was a beautiful blonde called Laura Adshead, who seemed destined for a stellar political career. Educated at Cheltenham Ladies’ College and Oxford, she dated him for a year.
When Cameron ended it, Laura was so upset that she reportedly had to be given a period of compassionate leave from work.
Later, she moved to America, where her hard-partying lifestyle spiralled into drink and drug addiction.
Subsequently, she became a nun.
Now in her late-40s, she is known as Sister John Mary and lives at the Abbey of Regina Laudis in a little town called Bethlehem, in Connecticut.0 -
Oh. Spoil sport.
The story was recounted to them by a contemporary of Mr Cameron who went on to become an MP – and who claims that another member of the group has photographic evidence to prove it.
The unnamed individual said to possess the picture failed to respond to the authors’ approaches.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242494/Revenge-PM-s-snub-billionaire-funded-Tories-years-sparked-explosive-political-book-decade.html#ixzz3mMfG0iot
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Ah initiations, how I remember them. Never did anything like this, but still some pretty random stuff.
I don't see this story lasting beyond the end of the week. It also makes Ashcroft look extremely petty.0 -
Maybe not Corbyn's style but you think the PLP will be able to contain themselves?JWisemann said:
Somehow I don't think that's Corbyn's style. That's the kind of thing that people like about him.GIN1138 said:One thing we can say.... Cameron will be dogged by pig noises from the Labour benches everytime he enters the Chamber...
New politics? Ha!0 -
Toss the coin time.. Diane Abbott..Pig...Diane Abbott ..Pig.. phew ..got lucky.. heads it is.. bye Di..0
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Black Mirror is a Charlie Brooker anthology series which you can find on 4od.Plato_Says said:I'm going to have to read the whole Mail article now, what's Black Mirror? And Lyndon Johnson?!?!
BannedInParis said:
I'll probably cope, all things considered.John_M said:
Honestly, it's so far outside my normal experience, I don't know what I'd think. To run with your example, let's pretend that Cameron had a thing for pigs. People's sexual proclivities aren't something I try to judge others on, nor do I use it as a basis for friendship. Mote, beam etc.Roger said:John-M
"Does it change my perception of Cameron? No. Does it change my perception of Ashcroft? Hell, yes."
Really? You'll be able to look at a pig without wondering to yourself whether Cameron's had it?
He's certainly lost respect, and he'll be the butt of endless japes in the Twittersphere and beyond, but it's not as if it really bears on his ability to run the country.
There will be more revelations, and I'll be better able to make an assessment once Ashcroft has fully vented his spleen.
Plus, the links to LBJ quote and the Black Mirror episode make me really, severely doubt its veracity.
It is utterly brilliant.0 -
Couldn't they have tried harder than "little town called Bethlehem" though?TheScreamingEagles said:Now this story from biography should help Dave
Romantic opportunities were one of the perks of the job. ‘All the girls fancied him,’ according to one account.
Cameron’s most significant conquest was a beautiful blonde called Laura Adshead, who seemed destined for a stellar political career. Educated at Cheltenham Ladies’ College and Oxford, she dated him for a year.
When Cameron ended it, Laura was so upset that she reportedly had to be given a period of compassionate leave from work.
Later, she moved to America, where her hard-partying lifestyle spiralled into drink and drug addiction.
Subsequently, she became a nun.
Now in her late-40s, she is known as Sister John Mary and lives at the Abbey of Regina Laudis in a little town called Bethlehem, in Connecticut.0 -
Plato_Says said:
Oh. Spoil sport.
The story was recounted to them by a contemporary of Mr Cameron who went on to become an MP – and who claims that another member of the group has photographic evidence to prove it.
The unnamed individual said to possess the picture failed to respond to the authors’ approaches.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242494/Revenge-PM-s-snub-billionaire-funded-Tories-years-sparked-explosive-political-book-decade.html#ixzz3mMfG0iot
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"A contemporary of Mr Cameron who went on to become an MP"
....and who has had his own Prime Ministerial ambitions thwarted maybe?0 -
''I think Ashcroft hasn't conducted himself with any real sense of class in this affair. ''
That is putting it mildly.0 -
@hugorifkind: NOTE: the Mail says the pig source is also an MP. Can only be one of a handful of people.0
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@JamieRoss7: I am finding that most crisis management firms are reluctant to tell me what advice they would give to a client accused of shagging a pig.0
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In the end, revenge typically finishes up backfiring on the person taking it...MaxPB said:
I don't see this story lasting beyond the end of the week. It also makes Ashcroft look extremely petty.
Wonder when HMRC will launch their next exhaustive investigation into the "Sleeze From Belize" tax arrangements?
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Hmmm
not so sure re the political damage.
A bloke promised a cabinet job ( his version of events ) for funding the party ?
And which of those ?
He didn't get one though, which has to cast doubt on the credibility of the claim. In fact, not only did he not get a cabinet job, he wasn't given any government job. There might have been legitimate practical reasons for going back on such a promise had one been made, but surely there'd have been a consolation offer if so. But there hasn't been. Proving such an offer was never made is of course impossible (something of which Ashcroft is no doubt fully aware). Nonetheless, the circumstantial evidence to verify it is weak.
It feels to me like Ashcroft became a bit of an embarrassment during the GE2010 campaign due to his wealth, profile and prominence. Dave didn't get good press about it at the time and perhaps he decided it was just too much of a liability to proceed with in coalition.
So if I were Ashcroft, I'd have been annoyed too - it's ungrateful and rude.
That said, being a big donor to the party and volunteer/organiser should not entitle you to any government job - and doubtless many people would be criticising Cameron if it did - so even though he may have a grievance, I think Ashcroft hasn't conducted himself with any real sense of class in this affair.
Ashcroft was accused of being less than honest about his status even under Hague's leadership. Now this article - Cameron was right not to trust him.
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Lots of checking Wikipedia going on no doubt. I suspect that person wishes he'd never mentioned now as their past is about get blown wide open next.Scott_P said:
@hugorifkind: NOTE: the Mail says the pig source is also an MP. Can only be one of a handful of people.
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The thing is, most of the population don't get involved in weird degrading initiations, and don't really want to be ruled over by secret societies, whereas people in certain circles like yourself probably think it's normal.MaxPB said:Ah initiations, how I remember them. Never did anything like this, but still some pretty random stuff.
I don't see this story lasting beyond the end of the week. It also makes Ashcroft look extremely petty.0 -
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That was exactly what I noted earlier.Richard_Nabavi said:On topic: The Mail has taken a very odd approach to this story, undermining their own serialisation by presenting it as an act of revenge by Lord Ashcroft.
I wonder if the Mail is sending a message to Cameron.0 -
I don't know anyone here personally.Charles said:
None of us know Abbott personally, so there's less invested.Theuniondivvie said:
I'm sure all the gallant PB knights so ready to defend one of their own against 'sexism' will be donning their armour as I type.JWisemann said:
Mate.richardDodd said:That pig wandering around Oxford..I thought she was on the opposition front bench now.
But being rude about someone just because of their looks is pretty pointless.
In any case I'd have thought disliking sexism should be a general principle, not a selective old pals act.0
