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  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    How about a Minister for Beards and then a Minister for Merkins to keep a balance of the sexes?

    Your narrow, cisgender biased views on the barbaric patriarchal prevention of female-identifying individuals maintaining facial hair is a disgrace.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    CornishBlue said:

    SimonStClare said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Will this be the shortest political honeymoon on record?

    I don’t think a honeymoon period will even register, - didn’t the polls immediately drop 6 points on the news of a Corbyn victory?
    Polls? Where we're going we don't need polls...
    Just drilling equipment....
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    bigjohnowls said:

    AndyJS said:

    If the alleged "Minister for Jews" quote is confirmed to have originally come from the Corbyn camp, Labour can probably kiss goodbye to the London mayoralty.

    Why?
    I'm guessing many of the residents of Barnet and Camden won't be impressed by it.
  • JEO
    JEO Posts: 3,656
    edited September 2015
    Labour want a friend of Hamas as PM, an IRA supporter as Chancellor and a racist as Communities spokeswoman.

    That will be UKIP's pitch across the North of England.
  • corporeal
    corporeal Posts: 2,549
    MarqueeMark said:

    Just how much fucking acid has the Labour Party dropped???? Corbyn might be teetotal, but he must be sucking on a great big peyote.

    It's a horror show. It's like a toddler has found an open gun cabinet.....

    Fun isn't it.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    edited September 2015
    I've got to say Roger this is all pretty grim.
    It seems like McDonnell is the man pulling Corbyn's strings.

    But Corbyn- I mean going from the leadership contest to sing the Red Flag with a bunch of notrights in some London pub yesterday. I think that is likely to be the high point of his tenure.

    My personal honeymoon with Corbyn has lasted...23 hours, so thanks Alex, I've flopped again.
    Roger said:

    Every Party's got its headbangers.

    What makes Labour different is they've all been appointed to the Shadow cabinet

  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    bigjohnowls said:

    The most common comment I got canvassing was they are all the same.

    Not now clear water between Tories and a more equal society is on offer while ever Corbyn remains.

    Lets see if Labour are wiped out or gain ground as a result of the clear water.

    PB Tories are 100% certain the public will not like Jezza policies.

    I am not sure which way this will go.

    Time will tell.

    After today he'll be gone sooner than I could have dreamed of.

  • MyBurningEars
    MyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    SquareRoot said:

    If someone had written a farce about how this would turn out (as it is turning out) it would never have got to be screened as too implausible.,

    You know those "Alternate History" type stories?

    Suddenly so many of them seem so much more credibly plausible.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Lisa Nandy surely must be in line for one of the top jobs. Possibly Education or Work and Pensions.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Dair said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    How about a Minister for Beards and then a Minister for Merkins to keep a balance of the sexes?

    Your narrow, cisgender biased views on the barbaric patriarchal prevention of female-identifying individuals maintaining facial hair is a disgrace.
    Did we learn nothing from Conchita Wurst?
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Chris Bryant?! Oh my word!
    alex. said:

    fitalass said:

    Surely he must appoint a Shadow Minister for Defence?

    DavidL said:

    Maybe Corbyn doesn't think he needs a shadow for defence.

    Word is it was supposed to be Chris Bryant, but there's been a hitch.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    fitalass said:

    Can anyone confirm this is true, appalling mistake if it is.
    Twitter
    Tom Fenton ‏@TommyF124 3m3 minutes ago
    Corbyn has cancelled his BBC Radio 4 appearance for tomorrow.

    Blanking the Beeb? Who does he think he is - Alex Ferguson?
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited September 2015
    Lucy Powell to Education, apparently. Nicky Morgan must be quaking.

    Edit: schools 'n' hospitals = jobs for girls. I think a large section of JC's support are going to be rather disappointed by the #everydaysexism of the hard left.
  • chestnut
    chestnut Posts: 7,341
    Anyone got a count on London Lefties in the cabinet?
  • ReggieCide
    ReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Jonathan said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm not sure Corbyn will last a week.

    There's no point getting rid of him because another leadership election would give the same result. Labour are truly in the mire.
    Would it? MPs might actually use their veto next time.
    Won't they have been substantially corbinised before JC is discarded having fulfilled his useful idiot rôle?
  • MTimT
    MTimT Posts: 7,034
    Jonathan said:

    How can you have a shadow minister without a minister to shadow?

    Perhaps we need a Shadow Minister for Shadows?
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Maybe he could slot a woman into the shadow minister for making the tea slot.
  • EPG
    EPG Posts: 6,739
    JEO said:

    Labour want a friend of Hamas as PM, an IRA supporter as Chancellor and a racist as Communities spokeswoman.

    That will be UKIP's pitch across the North of England.

    Ukip voters might like a racist as Communities spokeswoman.
  • MyBurningEars
    MyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited September 2015
    Artist said:

    Lisa Nandy surely must be in line for one of the top jobs. Possibly Education or Work and Pensions.

    Well not education. But weren't we told to expect her to make a big splash? Hm.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    This is Jeremy Corbyn, the National Chair of the Stop the War Coalition we are talking about....
    DavidL said:

    fitalass said:

    Surely he must appoint a Shadow Minister for Defence?

    DavidL said:

    Maybe Corbyn doesn't think he needs a shadow for defence.

    I was joking (I think).
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :smiley:
    MyBurningEars said:

    SquareRoot said:

    If someone had written a farce about how this would turn out (as it is turning out) it would never have got to be screened as too implausible.,

    You know those "Alternate History" type stories?

    Suddenly so many of them seem so much more credibly plausible.
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,723
    AndyJS said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    AndyJS said:

    If the alleged "Minister for Jews" quote is confirmed to have originally come from the Corbyn camp, Labour can probably kiss goodbye to the London mayoralty.

    Why?
    I'm guessing many of the residents of Barnet and Camden won't be impressed by it.
    And on a more serious note, other minorities see I-am-just-against-israel-but-I-seem-to-make-antisemitic-remarks position as meaning I-am-a-really-big-friend-of-one-sub-section-of-one-minority. The one that the other minorities have.... er... doubts about.

    Ask the average Thai muslim living in London. He will decode it for you....
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    fitalass said:

    Chris Bryant?! Oh my word!

    alex. said:

    fitalass said:

    Surely he must appoint a Shadow Minister for Defence?

    DavidL said:

    Maybe Corbyn doesn't think he needs a shadow for defence.

    Word is it was supposed to be Chris Bryant, but there's been a hitch.
    Oh come on. What's your problem now?
    Corbyn would put Rambo as shadow defence secretary and you would still be shocked.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    SeanT said:

    alex. said:

    What's left then? Leader of the Commons, Educashun, Transport, Wales, Duchy of Lancaster, Portsmouth

    Minister for Furtive Looking Gypsies, and Homos. Perhaps he will combine them with his Ministry for Jews?
    Minister for Thriller Writers?
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    edited September 2015
    https://twitter.com/DMcCaffreySKY/status/643189708743385088

    Arguably the most important appointment given NATO/Trident and he hasn't filled it yet!
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    The same Lucy Powell who wasn't going to serve under Corbyn? The same Lucy Powell who is utterly incompetent and not capable of stringing a coherent sentence together?

    Splendid!
  • SquareRoot
    SquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited September 2015
    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.

    If you polled 100 people now, how many out of that 100 would know who the leader of the Labour party was?
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,727
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    This just gets more hilarious
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    The same Lucy Powell who wasn't going to serve under Corbyn? The same Lucy Powell who is utterly incompetent and not capable of stringing a coherent sentence together?

    Splendid!
    Mandy Burnham.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    Ok, that at least is the first one that I can say with utter seriousness is a terrible appointment. I assume she is really good at some aspects of her job given how useless she is at the media side of it, but the Education brief will surely involve getting in front of a camera quite a bit, and that is just not for her. One of the few politicians who matches how her opponents cariacature her.
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    HAHHAHAHAHAHH

    Lucy Powell?

    Really?
    Tissue_Price said:

    Lucy Powell to Education, apparently. Nicky Morgan must be quaking.

    Edit: schools 'n' hospitals = jobs for girls. I think a large section of JC's support are going to be rather disappointed by the #everydaysexism of the hard left.

  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Agreed.
    Tissue_Price said:

    Lucy Powell to Education, apparently. Nicky Morgan must be quaking.

    Edit: schools 'n' hospitals = jobs for girls. I think a large section of JC's support are going to be rather disappointed by the #everydaysexism of the hard left.

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2015
    SouthamObserver said:

    The snub to women will be a genuine shock to many who voted for JC. And they will feel bitterly disappointed; betrayed even. But that's the hard left for you. It's very, very male. Almost all the senior Militant figures were blokes; almost all senior trade unionists; and so on.

    Is Zoe Williams tweeting currently? She voted for this.

    It doesn't look good to have most of the front pages showing Corbyn surrounded by beautiful women and then for him to do what he's done with the shadow cabinet.

    http://news.sky.com/gallery/1551904/mondays-newspaper-front-pages
  • JEO
    JEO Posts: 3,656
    People are saying Corbyn will be gone quickly, but how? Corbyn got in with 20% more votes than all the other candidates combined. He won by a landslide in every group. And there has been a surge in Corbynites joining the party since. This is what the Labour Party wants. Any MPs who are horrified are in the wrong party.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    SquareRoot said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.

    If you polled 100 people now, how many out of that 100 would know who the leader of the Labour party was?
    Since when are the only TV channels you are allowed to watch BBC1 & 2 ?
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    AndyJS said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    AndyJS said:

    If the alleged "Minister for Jews" quote is confirmed to have originally come from the Corbyn camp, Labour can probably kiss goodbye to the London mayoralty.

    Why?
    I'm guessing many of the residents of Barnet and Camden won't be impressed by it.
    So the mayoralty is kissed goodbye I see.

    Care for an even money small stakes bet the alleged "Minister for Jews" quote isnt in the top 5 issues of London electors next May.

    I think your knee may have jerked too jerkily!!
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    edited September 2015
    Twitter
    Ed Conway ‏@EdConwaySky 2m2 minutes ago
    New shadow chancellor seems to believe Labour should strip Bank of England of its independence http://www.labourbriefing.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=38&Itemid=55 …

    louise martin ‏@louisemartin25 18m18 minutes ago
    Some v angry female labour MPs and members on my timeline.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    Will the complete works of Russel Brand become compulsory reading in state schools…
  • MyBurningEars
    MyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    edited September 2015
    fitalass said:

    This is Jeremy Corbyn, the National Chair of the Stop the War Coalition we are talking about....

    DavidL said:

    fitalass said:

    Surely he must appoint a Shadow Minister for Defence?

    DavidL said:

    Maybe Corbyn doesn't think he needs a shadow for defence.

    I was joking (I think).
    In New Zealand, Phil Goff was appointed Minister for Disarmament and Arms Control. Corbyn could try that over here.
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    edited September 2015
    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    How about a Minister for Beards and then a Minister for Merkins to keep a balance of the sexes?

    Your narrow, cisgender biased views on the barbaric patriarchal prevention of female-identifying individuals maintaining facial hair is a disgrace.
    Did we learn nothing from Conchita Wurst?
    Clearly @TCPoliticalBetting needs to attend a substantial course of re-education Gender Respect and Consideration seminars
  • notme
    notme Posts: 3,293
    bigjohnowls said:

    The most common comment I got canvassing was they are all the same.

    Not now clear water between Tories and a more equal society is on offer while ever Corbyn remains.

    Lets see if Labour are wiped out or gain ground as a result of the clear water.

    PB Tories are 100% certain the public will not like Jezza policies.

    I am not sure which way this will go.

    Time will tell.

    They might like individual policies, but you need have a narrative and win peoples trust that youll manage the economy well. The 'they are all the same' complaint is not new, in fact it is as old as political canvassing.

    I am in no doubt that if you could go and canvass people in 1983 you would get a similar complaint.
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    So why pull out of a commitment? Why not simply turn it down in the first place?
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    SouthamObserver said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    The most common comment I got canvassing was they are all the same.

    Not now clear water between Tories and a more equal society is on offer while ever Corbyn remains.

    Lets see if Labour are wiped out or gain ground as a result of the clear water.

    PB Tories are 100% certain the public will not like Jezza policies.

    I am not sure which way this will go.

    Time will tell.

    After today he'll be gone sooner than I could have dreamed of.

    I am not so sure Southern. Surprisingly, even Frank Fields seems to be in two minds.

    I am not saying Labour is going to win the next election. It wouldn't anyway whatever happens. Labour needs a swing of 10.5% to win.

    Would JC do worse than the faceless alternatives - the Tory lites ? I don't know.

    I do know that 33% of the electorate did not vote. Can he get 10% of those on board like the SNP did in Scotland ?
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    tyson said:

    I've got to say Roger this is all pretty grim.
    It seems like McDonnell is the man pulling Corbyn's strings.

    But Corbyn- I mean going from the leadership contest to sing the Red Flag with a bunch of notrights in some London pub yesterday. I think that is likely to be the high point of his tenure.

    My personal honeymoon with Corbyn has lasted...23 hours, so thanks Alex, I've flopped again.

    Roger said:

    Every Party's got its headbangers.

    What makes Labour different is they've all been appointed to the Shadow cabinet

    The bloke's an unreconstructed 1980's Tribunite. This was always going to happen. His total lack of any kind of nous should surprise no-one. McDonnell as shadow Chancellor is a masterstroke of stupidity straight out of the hard left playbook. And women in the most important jobs? Don't be stupid; put the kettle on, luv.

  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    numbertwelve said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    This just gets more hilarious
    He must be scraping the barrel, I wonder how many MPs have said no?
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    SquareRoot said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.

    If you polled 100 people now, how many out of that 100 would know who the leader of the Labour party was?
    It's a cunning plan to rid the BBC of accusations of Tory Bias.
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    glw said:

    numbertwelve said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    This just gets more hilarious
    He must be scraping the barrel, I wonder how many MPs have said no?
    He's got a team of Shadow junior ministers to appoint yet!
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    edited September 2015
    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    The same Lucy Powell who wasn't going to serve under Corbyn? The same Lucy Powell who is utterly incompetent and not capable of stringing a coherent sentence together?

    Splendid!
    This is actually the most WTF moment so far.

    I'm not sure who it reflects worse on - Powell or Corbyn. Whichever, it is bizarre and ridiculous.
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Dair said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    How about a Minister for Beards and then a Minister for Merkins to keep a balance of the sexes?

    Your narrow, cisgender biased views on the barbaric patriarchal prevention of female-identifying individuals maintaining facial hair is a disgrace.
    I plead guilty.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,866
    Speedy said:

    fitalass said:

    Chris Bryant?! Oh my word!

    alex. said:

    fitalass said:

    Surely he must appoint a Shadow Minister for Defence?

    DavidL said:

    Maybe Corbyn doesn't think he needs a shadow for defence.

    Word is it was supposed to be Chris Bryant, but there's been a hitch.
    Oh come on. What's your problem now?
    Corbyn would put Rambo as shadow defence secretary and you would still be shocked.
    Well, wouldn't you be? Not quite his style is it?

    Perhaps the problem with Bryant is that he still thinks we should have some. If only for the employment.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    RE; the great Labour re-shuffle

    This is similar to how Manchester Utd felt after the Munich Air Crash.
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/643182979871805440
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,866
    Dair said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    The same Lucy Powell who wasn't going to serve under Corbyn? The same Lucy Powell who is utterly incompetent and not capable of stringing a coherent sentence together?

    Splendid!
    This is actually the most WTF moment so far.

    I'm not sure who it reflects worse on - Powell or Corbyn. Whichever, it is bizarre and ridiculous.
    It is ridiculous of course but the McDonnell appointment is the one that will destroy him.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.

    If you polled 100 people now, how many out of that 100 would know who the leader of the Labour party was?
    Since when are the only TV channels you are allowed to watch BBC1 & 2 ?
    Since Corbyn took us back to the mid-Seventies....
  • TCPoliticalBetting
    TCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    How about a Minister for Beards and then a Minister for Merkins to keep a balance of the sexes?

    Your narrow, cisgender biased views on the barbaric patriarchal prevention of female-identifying individuals maintaining facial hair is a disgrace.
    Did we learn nothing from Conchita Wurst?
    Clearly @TCPoliticalBetting needs to attend a substantial course of re-education Gender Respect and Consideration seminars
    What's wrong with men wearing a merkin?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Just two EM shadow cabinet ministers appointed so far, Seema Malhotra and Diane Abbott.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The situation so far:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Opposition_Shadow_Cabinet_(United_Kingdom)#Members_of_the_Shadow_Cabinet
  • SquareRoot
    SquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Has Dennis Skinner got a job yet..
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    Labourlist: Angela Eagle, promoted, maria Eagle... out!
  • notme
    notme Posts: 3,293
    edited September 2015
    Lucy Powell on Ed's Stone:
    “I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the fact that he’s carved them into stone means, you know, means that he will absolutely, you know, not going to break them or anything like that.”
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    bigjohnowls said:

    a more equal society is on offer while ever Corbyn remains.

    I think you mean 'facile soundbites about a more equal society' are on offer.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    edited September 2015
    After canceling Marr, and now Today, what are the odds he wont appear at PMQs?

    Cam must be pinching himself.
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    fitalass said:

    Surely he must appoint a Shadow Minister for Defence?

    DavidL said:

    Maybe Corbyn doesn't think he needs a shadow for defence.

    Why ? He will just put out a statement Labour will not renew Trident. As regarding cuts, it is the Tories who are cutting Defence big time. Another 20%, I hear.
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,723
    SeanT said:

    JEO said:

    People are saying Corbyn will be gone quickly, but how? Corbyn got in with 20% more votes than all the other candidates combined. He won by a landslide in every group. And there has been a surge in Corbynites joining the party since. This is what the Labour Party wants. Any MPs who are horrified are in the wrong party.

    Judging by this calamitous and hilarious Shadow Cabinet formation, the point is: politics sometimes doesn't need rules or regimens. You can just be so horrifically bad at your job that you know you have to quit, and there it is, as all your important colleagues despise you.

    It is very possible, I'd say, that Corbyn could reach that stage quite soon. Perhaps before Christmas, certainly within 18 months, unless he shapes up dramatically. No Labour leader could - for instance - continue in the job if all his MPs were openly laughing at him in the Commons, and talking over his speeches.
    I think you don't understand the persistent bloody mindedness of the old hard left. The people are wrong - they need to be abolished....
  • ReggieCide
    ReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    alex. said:

    kle4 said:

    I don't really know McDonell other than the IRA comments, is he really that bad? It's hard to believe he could be worse than Corbyn after being told how bad Corbyn is supposed to be.

    I think he comes across ok on TV.
    He does porn?
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    Plato_Says said:

    HAHHAHAHAHAHH

    Lucy Powell?

    Really?

    Tissue_Price said:

    Lucy Powell to Education, apparently. Nicky Morgan must be quaking.

    Edit: schools 'n' hospitals = jobs for girls. I think a large section of JC's support are going to be rather disappointed by the #everydaysexism of the hard left.

    Funniest appointment so far.
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    Apparently the Barrow MP is going to be Shadow Sec for DWP? wtf? Is Labour coming out in favour of Trident Renewal? (i think that might have explained the potential Bryant appt and why he is struggling to fill it)
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    John Woodcock at Work and Pensions? Does that sound likely to anyone?
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    MarqueeMark said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.

    If you polled 100 people now, how many out of that 100 would know who the leader of the Labour party was?
    Since when are the only TV channels you are allowed to watch BBC1 & 2 ?
    Since Corbyn took us back to the mid-Seventies....
    I thought ITV existed back then.
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,608
    surbiton said:

    fitalass said:

    Surely he must appoint a Shadow Minister for Defence?

    DavidL said:

    Maybe Corbyn doesn't think he needs a shadow for defence.

    Why ? He will just put out a statement Labour will not renew Trident. As regarding cuts, it is the Tories who are cutting Defence big time. Another 20%, I hear.
    Pretty sure there is more to defence than just Trident. Jeez!
  • notme
    notme Posts: 3,293
    edited September 2015
    MarqueeMark said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.

    If you polled 100 people now, how many out of that 100 would know who the leader of the Labour party was?
    Since when are the only TV channels you are allowed to watch BBC1 & 2 ?
    Since Corbyn took us back to the mid-Seventies....
    No, in the seventies, we had a woman leading the shadow cabinet.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2015
    This week's More or Less refuted the idea that Labour can win by attempting to get non-voters to vote:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06950lm
    surbiton said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    The most common comment I got canvassing was they are all the same.

    Not now clear water between Tories and a more equal society is on offer while ever Corbyn remains.

    Lets see if Labour are wiped out or gain ground as a result of the clear water.

    PB Tories are 100% certain the public will not like Jezza policies.

    I am not sure which way this will go.

    Time will tell.

    After today he'll be gone sooner than I could have dreamed of.

    I am not so sure Southern. Surprisingly, even Frank Fields seems to be in two minds.

    I am not saying Labour is going to win the next election. It wouldn't anyway whatever happens. Labour needs a swing of 10.5% to win.

    Would JC do worse than the faceless alternatives - the Tory lites ? I don't know.

    I do know that 33% of the electorate did not vote. Can he get 10% of those on board like the SNP did in Scotland ?
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Note that John McDonnell is 64. Corbyn is 66.

    So 69 and 71 respectively in 2020.
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Anna Yearley @AnnaYearley
    Jeremy Corbyn's first PLP will be interesting. In my 12 yrs of attending them not sure I ever saw him at one.

    Lucy Powell MP
    @LucyMPowell
    @AnnaYearley I have never, ever met or spoken to him. At PLP, in Chamber, in voting lobbies, tea rooms, library, anywhere ...
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.

    If you polled 100 people now, how many out of that 100 would know who the leader of the Labour party was?
    Since when are the only TV channels you are allowed to watch BBC1 & 2 ?
    Since Corbyn took us back to the mid-Seventies....
    I thought ITV existed back then.
    It did - I remember the wheel tappers and shunters social club, and Ena Sharples
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    tyson said:

    RE; the great Labour re-shuffle

    This is similar to how Manchester Utd felt after the Munich Air Crash.

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    If you've got a pair of boots, you're in the squad.....
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,805
    tyson said:

    RE; the great Labour re-shuffle

    This is similar to how Manchester Utd felt after the Munich Air Crash.

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    Four months ago in a pub in Broxtowe, you, Roger, Nick Palmer, Tissue Price, Pulpstar and I were discussing politics.

    Not one of us could have predicted any of this.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    oxfordsimon said:

    John Woodcock at Work and Pensions? Does that sound likely to anyone?

    Or Defence.
    Seems there won't be any by-election then.
  • MonikerDiCanio
    MonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    SeanT said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    The same Lucy Powell who wasn't going to serve under Corbyn? The same Lucy Powell who is utterly incompetent and not capable of stringing a coherent sentence together?

    Splendid!
    This is actually the most WTF moment so far.

    I'm not sure who it reflects worse on - Powell or Corbyn. Whichever, it is bizarre and ridiculous.
    It is ridiculous of course but the McDonnell appointment is the one that will destroy him.
    Yep. Absolutely poisonous. I've read several articles by insiders saying that Corbyn's association with McDonnell was the clinching factor. If Corbyn kept him on: implosion.

    He hasn't just kept him on, he's made him Shadow Chancellor.
    That's leadership. Corbyn hasn't bowed to the wets.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,074
    SquareRoot said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.
    WTF are you on, Bern? What about ITV? What about C4? C5? All the Freeview channels?
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    After canceling Marr, and now Today, what are the odds he wont appear at PMQs?

    Cam must be pinching himself.

    He could and should make a statement out of PMQs.

    He should ask:

    1. That the PM must give a straight answer to a straight question. No evasion.

    2. The Mob culture must end from all sides.

    The Tories and the Speaker will almost certainly refuse. Corbyn will say he will not participate then.

    The idea that the shouting and jeering is hugely popular with the public is actually misplaced. The public also wants to hear a clear answer to a clear question.

    The PMQ did not start with Magna Carta or 1832. It only started in the 50s. So no great tradition.
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited September 2015
    James Cook
    @JamesLiamCook
    James Liam Cook announced as new Shadow Defence Secretary

    Who is he?
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    It's not the opinion polls; Corbyn's shadow cabinet prove that he is just incapable of doing politics. You just cannot alienate everyone and get away with it. Thatcher and Blair- both winners of 3 elections got knee capped- Corbyn has pointed the shot gun at his own head and is waiting for someone to pull the trigger.
    surbiton said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    The most common comment I got canvassing was they are all the same.

    Not now clear water between Tories and a more equal society is on offer while ever Corbyn remains.

    Lets see if Labour are wiped out or gain ground as a result of the clear water.

    PB Tories are 100% certain the public will not like Jezza policies.

    I am not sure which way this will go.

    Time will tell.

    After today he'll be gone sooner than I could have dreamed of.

    I am not so sure Southern. Surprisingly, even Frank Fields seems to be in two minds.

    I am not saying Labour is going to win the next election. It wouldn't anyway whatever happens. Labour needs a swing of 10.5% to win.

    Would JC do worse than the faceless alternatives - the Tory lites ? I don't know.

    I do know that 33% of the electorate did not vote. Can he get 10% of those on board like the SNP did in Scotland ?
  • bigjohnowls
    bigjohnowls Posts: 22,951
    Lucy cant string a sentence together to shadow Nicky can string a sentence together rather than Liz Truss shocking!!
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    edited September 2015
    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    The same Lucy Powell who wasn't going to serve under Corbyn? The same Lucy Powell who is utterly incompetent and not capable of stringing a coherent sentence together?

    Splendid!
    This is actually the most WTF moment so far.

    I'm not sure who it reflects worse on - Powell or Corbyn. Whichever, it is bizarre and ridiculous.
    It is ridiculous of course but the McDonnell appointment is the one that will destroy him.
    Probably true. But then Corbyn is always going to fail because he's a socialist muppet with delusional ideas. He was always going to appoint the likes of McDonnell who were always going to take the job.

    The difference with the Powell appointment is that it undermines him with his own support base.

    It's not defensible in any way.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited September 2015
    bigjohnowls said:

    The most common comment I got canvassing was they are all the same.

    Not now clear water between Tories and a more equal society is on offer while ever Corbyn remains.

    Lets see if Labour are wiped out or gain ground as a result of the clear water.

    PB Tories are 100% certain the public will not like Jezza policies.

    I am not sure which way this will go.

    Time will tell.

    Are we getting the first rumblings of:

    JCICIPM Vs JCWNBPM?
  • SquareRoot
    SquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    He hasn't just got to get the non-voters to vote, he is going to lose loads of moderate Labour voters who will not vote or vote LD.. They are fecked which ever way you like to try and work the numbers.
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Twitter
    George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 3m3 minutes ago
    As midnight approaches, still no shadow defence secretary. Clearly struggling to bridge gap between Corbyn and others.
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,457
    Speedy said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Speedy said:

    SquareRoot said:

    The BBC should empty chair Corbyn and broadcast 10 minutes of silence.


    I think Corbyn will simply refuse to appear on any BBC medium whatever they do.
    ITV, C4, LBC will probably be the ones he appears.
    LOL that'll do him a lot of good. The BBC has a monopoly in these islands. Perhaps its an astute move to avoid people knowing what's really going on.

    If you polled 100 people now, how many out of that 100 would know who the leader of the Labour party was?
    Since when are the only TV channels you are allowed to watch BBC1 & 2 ?
    Since Corbyn took us back to the mid-Seventies....
    I thought ITV existed back then.
    But nobody you knew admitted watching it....
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    Plato_Says said:

    James Cook
    @JamesLiamCook
    James Liam Cook announced as new Shadow Defence Secretary

    Who is he?

    I can't find him on wiki - can anyone help?
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    After canceling Marr, and now Today, what are the odds he wont appear at PMQs?

    Cam must be pinching himself.

    He could and should make a statement out of PMQs.

    He should ask:

    1. That the PM must give a straight answer to a straight question. No evasion.

    2. The Mob culture must end from all sides.

    The Tories and the Speaker will almost certainly refuse. Corbyn will say he will not participate then.

    The idea that the shouting and jeering is hugely popular with the public is actually misplaced. The public also wants to hear a clear answer to a clear question.

    The PMQ did not start with Magna Carta or 1832. It only started in the 50s. So no great tradition.
    If Corbyn doesn't want to hold the PM to account in the Chamber, so be it. Other MPs can have more time.

    There is only 1 loser there.
  • david_herdson
    david_herdson Posts: 18,357
    SeanT said:

    DavidL said:

    Dair said:

    oxfordsimon said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @faisalislam: Confirmed: ex Miliband chief of staff Lucy Powell is the new shadow education secretary

    The same Lucy Powell who wasn't going to serve under Corbyn? The same Lucy Powell who is utterly incompetent and not capable of stringing a coherent sentence together?

    Splendid!
    This is actually the most WTF moment so far.

    I'm not sure who it reflects worse on - Powell or Corbyn. Whichever, it is bizarre and ridiculous.
    It is ridiculous of course but the McDonnell appointment is the one that will destroy him.
    Yep. Absolutely poisonous. I've read several articles by insiders saying that Corbyn's association with McDonnell was the clinching factor. If Corbyn kept him on: implosion.

    He hasn't just kept him on, he's made him Shadow Chancellor.
    There is something of the irresistable force meeting the immovable object about all of Corbyn's leadership so far. I hadn't taken seriously the possibility of a split until now but his behaviour is so brazen that you could well understand MPs wondering why it's worth their while remaining with a party that cares neither for their efforts or for the public.
  • surbiton
    surbiton Posts: 13,549
    Plato_Says said:

    James Cook
    @JamesLiamCook
    James Liam Cook announced as new Shadow Defence Secretary

    Who is he?

    Isn't he a journalist ?
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    alex. said:

    Plato_Says said:

    James Cook
    @JamesLiamCook
    James Liam Cook announced as new Shadow Defence Secretary

    Who is he?

    I can't find him on wiki - can anyone help?
    I can't find him either, is he an MP at all or is this a joke?
    Edit... it is a joke.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    david_herdson said:

    There is something of the irresistable force meeting the immovable object about all of Corbyn's leadership so far. I hadn't taken seriously the possibility of a split until now but his behaviour is so brazen that you could well understand MPs wondering why it's worth their while remaining with a party that cares neither for their efforts or for the public.

    My thoughts exactly.
  • EPG
    EPG Posts: 6,739
    Plato_Says said:

    James Cook
    @JamesLiamCook
    James Liam Cook announced as new Shadow Defence Secretary

    Who is he?

    Er everyone, it's a joke. Ironic if PB Tories need humour transplant on funniest day ever
  • fitalass
    fitalass Posts: 4,444
    Twitter
    John Rentoul ‏@JohnRentoul 1h1 hour ago
    It'll take journalists a few days, but once they've been through John McDonnell's back-catalogue, the Labour Party will be a smoking ruin.
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Dair said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    How about a Minister for Beards and then a Minister for Merkins to keep a balance of the sexes?

    Your narrow, cisgender biased views on the barbaric patriarchal prevention of female-identifying individuals maintaining facial hair is a disgrace.
    Did we learn nothing from Conchita Wurst?
    Clearly @TCPoliticalBetting needs to attend a substantial course of re-education Gender Respect and Consideration seminars
    What's wrong with men wearing a merkin?
    By enhancing their genital region and calling attention to it they are oppressing non-cisgendered male individuals with their patriarchal display of phallic dominance.

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