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  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    This is what Nick Palmer voted for. And it's magnificent!

    Jezza is telling us very clearly he doesn't really want to be leader.

    And it's hard to see him lasting a year now.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Yes, He's only gone and appointed John McDonnell Shadow Chancellor

    Classic McDonnell quote.

    "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."
    That excludes him from NI secretary then.
  • saddened
    saddened Posts: 2,245
    I must say I'm impressed by the stiff upper lip being displayed by the PB Tories in the face of their obvious terror of Jezbollah, it's something that brings a tear to the eye.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://twitter.com/AnnaYearley/status/643176892791656448
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    TGOHF said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo

    Perhaps he should make them were yellow stars so he knows who to help?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Corbyn will probably be gone before GE2020.

    But will there be enough time for Labour to pull itself together afterwards, and for this ludicrous interregnum to be forgotten by the electorate and take advantage of the new leader's honeymoon?

    Labour must be hoping so. But you can't fatten a pig on market day.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    labour are the new LDs - male pale and stale.

    @paulwaugh: Quite amazing that the Tories now have more women in the top four offices of state roles than Labour shadows.
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    Has Tom Watson got a job?
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    The thought I am having is that Corbyn knows he won't survive, so he is going to use this opportunity to put out as many of his (crazy) ideas as possible to hope that some gain traction.

    Either that or everyone sane turned him down.

  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    HurstLlama said:

    DavidL said:

    There really should be a book on what Labour MPs are going to be first to resign the whip. I mean I know we are talking about a group of people who supported Gordon Brown blindly and then thought Ed was a good idea but there must be limits.

    I doubt it. These are MPs we are talking about, folk who, with the very rare exceptions, are content to say anything to anyone for the sake of £60+K a year plus expenses. I would offer a modest wager that there will be no defections from Labour in the next 12 months.

    As Corbyn isn't even trying, what's the point of defecting? This will all be done in a year.

    I imagine a lot of the Useful Idiots are getting a terrible sinking feeling right now.

  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    RodCrosby said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    McDonnell.. SWEET JESUS.

    "a wealth tax on the richest 10%,

    a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions,

    a Land Value tax,

    the restoration of progressive income tax of 60% on incomes above £100,000
    ...
    For those at the top it means ending the bonuses and limiting high salaries to no more than 20 times the lowest paid in any company or organisation.

    For all others it means replacing the minimum wage with a living wage and a living pension and living welfare benefits, reducing the working week to 35 hours, closing the gender pay gap, controlling rents and energy prices, and restoring rights at work"
    http://www.johnmcdonnell.org.uk/2012/05/radical-alternative-to-austerity.html
    Budget day will be interesting.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/643178812470075392
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    saddened said:

    I must say I'm impressed by the stiff upper lip being displayed by the PB Tories in the face of their obvious terror of Jezbollah, it's something that brings a tear to the eye.

    Yes, it's tough to maintain discipline under heavy fire, but we're doing our best.
  • MyBurningEars
    MyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    RodCrosby said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    McDonnell.. SWEET JESUS.

    "a wealth tax on the richest 10%,

    a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions,

    a Land Value tax,

    the restoration of progressive income tax of 60% on incomes above £100,000
    ...
    For those at the top it means ending the bonuses and limiting high salaries to no more than 20 times the lowest paid in any company or organisation.

    For all others it means replacing the minimum wage with a living wage and a living pension and living welfare benefits, reducing the working week to 35 hours, closing the gender pay gap, controlling rents and energy prices, and restoring rights at work"
    http://www.johnmcdonnell.org.uk/2012/05/radical-alternative-to-austerity.html
    I'm sure Osborne's Living Wage isn't what McDonnell quite had in mind, but Labour have been outflanked on that front.

    The Land Value Tax is something that a lot of "neo-liberal" economists think would be a good idea - it would have a much lower deadweight loss than taxes on income, sales or profits.

    One of the bigger radical things to look out for is "people's quantitative easing" or some other such piece of neo-chartalism.
  • Jonathan
    Jonathan Posts: 22,107
    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm not sure Corbyn will last a week.

    There's no point getting rid of him because another leadership election would give the same result. Labour are truly in the mire.
    Would it? MPs might actually use their veto next time.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    RodCrosby said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    McDonnell.. SWEET JESUS.

    "a wealth tax on the richest 10%,

    a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions,

    a Land Value tax,

    the restoration of progressive income tax of 60% on incomes above £100,000
    ...
    For those at the top it means ending the bonuses and limiting high salaries to no more than 20 times the lowest paid in any company or organisation.

    For all others it means replacing the minimum wage with a living wage and a living pension and living welfare benefits, reducing the working week to 35 hours, closing the gender pay gap, controlling rents and energy prices, and restoring rights at work"
    http://www.johnmcdonnell.org.uk/2012/05/radical-alternative-to-austerity.html
    It's nuts.
  • CornishBlue
    CornishBlue Posts: 840
    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn's remarks:

    "Wouldn’t it be wonderful if every politician around the world instead of taking pride in the size of their armed forces did what the people of Costa Rica have done and abolished the army and took pride in the fact that they don’t have an army, and that their country is near the top of the global peace index. Surely that is the way we should be going forward.”"

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6637495/Corbyn-Britain-should-abolish-its-Army.html

    Plato_Says said:

    Sun's frontpage is a bit OTT Corbyn wants to abolish Army

    AndyJS said:

    Simon Danczuk and John Mann both have guest columns in today's Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232213/Corbynmania-like-gales-laughter-PMQs-SIMON-DANCZUK-Labour-MP-Rochdale.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232215/More-positions-Kama-Sutra-not-job-Comment-JOHN-MANN-Labour-MP-Bassetlaw.html

    You don't have to look to some banana republic to find this.

    Iceland has no military budget and no Armed Forced.
    It's also in NATO and is therefore defended by, well, us. The quid pro quo is that we can use its territory (including its air space) for NATO purposes.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited September 2015
    So, to get this straight, this is the inclusive, broad-church, all-wings-of-the-party, unifying shadow cabinet which was promised, right?
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Jonathan Calder @lordbonkers
    Mike Gapes on being told the identity of the new shadow chancellor on Radio Four: "Are you sure?"
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    Casino_Royale said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    McDonnell.. SWEET JESUS.

    "a wealth tax on the richest 10%,

    a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions,

    a Land Value tax,

    the restoration of progressive income tax of 60% on incomes above £100,000
    ...
    For those at the top it means ending the bonuses and limiting high salaries to no more than 20 times the lowest paid in any company or organisation.

    For all others it means replacing the minimum wage with a living wage and a living pension and living welfare benefits, reducing the working week to 35 hours, closing the gender pay gap, controlling rents and energy prices, and restoring rights at work"
    http://www.johnmcdonnell.org.uk/2012/05/radical-alternative-to-austerity.html
    It's nuts.
    What's the difference between a living wage and living benefits? (in monetary terms)
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    I'm going to sign off for the evening, and hit the sack.

    Maybe my brain will be better placed to process all this in the morning.

    (PS. I'd love to see Tony Blair's face when he hears this news - just for the lolz)
  • Lennon
    Lennon Posts: 1,815
    Jonathan said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm not sure Corbyn will last a week.

    There's no point getting rid of him because another leadership election would give the same result. Labour are truly in the mire.
    Would it? MPs might actually use their veto next time.
    But under Labour rules (as I understand it), as the incumbent if he wants to stand he doesn't need PLP nominations.
  • JWisemann
    JWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Charles said:

    TGOHF said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: Jeremy Corbyn to appoint a Minister for Jews in a bid to defuse criticism of anti-Semitic links; http://t.co/73CKQG7NFo

    Perhaps he should make them were yellow stars so he knows who to help?
    Christ, there really is one born every minute in PBT world, isn't there. :)
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    Jonathan said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm not sure Corbyn will last a week.

    There's no point getting rid of him because another leadership election would give the same result. Labour are truly in the mire.
    Would it? MPs might actually use their veto next time.
    Forget about your dream of installing a right-winger as Labour leader, Corbyn as sitting Leader can run automatically without the need of endorsements.
  • Danny565
    Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited September 2015
    Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84
    As well as half Shadow Cabinet being women, women should surely make up half of the big four ministries (PM / Chancellor / Foreign / Home)

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 8m8 minutes ago
    Well, one thing's proved tonight. @OwenJones84 is definitely NOT running the Corbyn leadership..
  • welshowl
    welshowl Posts: 4,464
    Casino_Royale said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    McDonnell.. SWEET JESUS.

    "a wealth tax on the richest 10%,

    a Robin Hood tax on financial transactions,

    a Land Value tax,

    the restoration of progressive income tax of 60% on incomes above £100,000
    ...
    For those at the top it means ending the bonuses and limiting high salaries to no more than 20 times the lowest paid in any company or organisation.

    For all others it means replacing the minimum wage with a living wage and a living pension and living welfare benefits, reducing the working week to 35 hours, closing the gender pay gap, controlling rents and energy prices, and restoring rights at work"
    http://www.johnmcdonnell.org.uk/2012/05/radical-alternative-to-austerity.html
    It's nuts.
    We'll be fair it would solve too much immigration at a stroke.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    McDonnell favours nationalisation with no compensation...
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ
    It's almost as if someone, somewhere, is messing with us all. 'The Tories are going to have a pop at us about security. I know! McDonnell!'
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400
    Casino_Royale said:

    Corbyn will probably be gone before GE2020.

    But will there be enough time for Labour to pull itself together afterwards, and for this ludicrous interregnum to be forgotten by the electorate and take advantage of the new leader's honeymoon?

    Labour must be hoping so. But you can't fatten a pig on market day.


    How do they get rid of all the hard left members who have either joined or will be joining over the next few weeks?

    Where is the mass of moderates who are going to join up to out vote them?
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Speedy said:

    Jonathan said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm not sure Corbyn will last a week.

    There's no point getting rid of him because another leadership election would give the same result. Labour are truly in the mire.
    Would it? MPs might actually use their veto next time.
    Forget about your dream of installing a right-winger as Labour leader, Corbyn as sitting Leader can run automatically without the need of endorsements.
    If he's forced to resign, then he won't (whether permitted to or not).
  • CornishBlue
    CornishBlue Posts: 840
    MyBurningEars said:



    The Land Value Tax is something that a lot of "neo-liberal" economists think would be a good idea - it would have a much lower deadweight loss than taxes on income, sales or profits.

    Yes... but it should replace one or two (or indeed, several) existing taxes. The Loony Party (formerly Labour) would just pile it on top of our existing taxes.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited September 2015
    AndyJS said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/643178812470075392

    Could be a genius move by Jezza actually because if (when) the PLP come for him he can turn round and say... OK, remove me if you want, but do you really want McDonnell to replace me as leader?
  • dodrade
    dodrade Posts: 597
    runnymede said:

    I wonder what's next? Pat Doherty as Shadow NI Secretary?

    Or maybe Labour will be merging with Sinn Fein as they are now becoming indistinguishable...

    Perhaps he will give "Orange" Kate Hoey a job to balance things out.
  • welshowl
    welshowl Posts: 4,464
    Jonathan said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm not sure Corbyn will last a week.

    There's no point getting rid of him because another leadership election would give the same result. Labour are truly in the mire.
    Would it? MPs might actually use their veto next time.
    Good point
  • numbertwelve
    numbertwelve Posts: 7,728
    Abbott to Communities and Local Government
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Plato_Says said:

    Jonathan Calder @lordbonkers
    Mike Gapes on being told the identity of the new shadow chancellor on Radio Four: "Are you sure?"

    I can imagine Mike Gapes becoming an independent Labour MP.
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Kevin Schofield @PolhomeEditor
    EXCL Michael Dugher is new shadow culture, media and sport secretary, PoliticsHome can also reveal.
  • perdix
    perdix Posts: 1,806
    JEO said:

    SeanT said:

    TOPPING said:

    Speedy said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    It's Sun spin, it's not a Minister for Jews, but Minister for Equalities and Faith Minorities

    I was right to disbelieve the Sun.
    he giveth...and he taketh away...

    still, plenty to be going on with.
    No, it's still incredibly delicious:

    ‏@sundersays 15m15 minutes ago
    Corbyn plans shad min for faith minorities - and hopes it will be a Jewish MP. Badly handled announcement though? http://www.sunnation.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-to-appoint-a-special-minister-for-jews/ …
    "Faith minorities". Thats a nice way to exclude Christians.
    Christians will soon be the minority. Especially if Corbyn opens the migration gates.

  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    If the Lib Dems hadn't been obliterated, I reckon we could be counting the weeks until the first defection from Labour.

    Perhaps they still will.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    @stephenpollard: Just to repeat: it was the Corbyn camp who described the position as 'Minister for Jews'. They actually thought it would be welcomed.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Seriously what an epic clusterfuck.
  • HurstLlama
    HurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn's remarks:

    "Wouldn’t it be wonderful if every politician around the world instead of taking pride in the size of their armed forces did what the people of Costa Rica have done and abolished the army and took pride in the fact that they don’t have an army, and that their country is near the top of the global peace index. Surely that is the way we should be going forward.”"

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6637495/Corbyn-Britain-should-abolish-its-Army.html

    Plato_Says said:

    Sun's frontpage is a bit OTT Corbyn wants to abolish Army

    AndyJS said:

    Simon Danczuk and John Mann both have guest columns in today's Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232213/Corbynmania-like-gales-laughter-PMQs-SIMON-DANCZUK-Labour-MP-Rochdale.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232215/More-positions-Kama-Sutra-not-job-Comment-JOHN-MANN-Labour-MP-Bassetlaw.html

    You don't have to look to some banana republic to find this.

    Iceland has no military budget and no Armed Forced.
    Correct, it just relies on NATO. Denmark are currently doing the honours I believe with half a squadron of fighters policing Iceland's air space.

    Having no military and no defence budget but inviting other people to pay for one's defence is an interesting position, but not one that would find favour generally. Do you think Scotland might try it?
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,723
    CornishBlue said:

    Dair said:

    AndyJS said:

    Corbyn's remarks:

    "Wouldn’t it be wonderful if every politician around the world instead of taking pride in the size of their armed forces did what the people of Costa Rica have done and abolished the army and took pride in the fact that they don’t have an army, and that their country is near the top of the global peace index. Surely that is the way we should be going forward.”"

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6637495/Corbyn-Britain-should-abolish-its-Army.html

    Plato_Says said:

    Sun's frontpage is a bit OTT Corbyn wants to abolish Army

    AndyJS said:

    Simon Danczuk and John Mann both have guest columns in today's Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232213/Corbynmania-like-gales-laughter-PMQs-SIMON-DANCZUK-Labour-MP-Rochdale.html
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3232215/More-positions-Kama-Sutra-not-job-Comment-JOHN-MANN-Labour-MP-Bassetlaw.html

    You don't have to look to some banana republic to find this.

    Iceland has no military budget and no Armed Forced.
    It's also in NATO and is therefore defended by, well, us. The quid pro quo is that we can use its territory (including its air space) for NATO purposes.
    If you look at the history of Iceland, it is basically ruled/invaded by whoever wants to on a rotating basis....
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    On the positive side it can no longer be said that the people of Britain are being denied a choice.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    numbertwelve said:

    Abbott to Communities and Local Government

    LOL. So much LOL.

    This is like a fantasy British Socialist team manager game on the PS4.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    John McDonnell in his own words:

    "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :star:
    saddened said:

    I must say I'm impressed by the stiff upper lip being displayed by the PB Tories in the face of their obvious terror of Jezbollah, it's something that brings a tear to the eye.

  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    I'm not sure Corbyn will last a week.

    There's no point getting rid of him because another leadership election would give the same result. Labour are truly in the mire.

    MPs have to nominate.

    The left is eating itself. Tis a beautiful thing to see.

    Corbyn has taken just a day to show that everything the non-deluded thought about him is true.

  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    Plato_Says said:

    Kevin Schofield @PolhomeEditor
    EXCL Michael Dugher is new shadow culture, media and sport secretary, PoliticsHome can also reveal.

    Vice chair of Labour friends of Israel
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    JonathanD said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Corbyn will probably be gone before GE2020.

    But will there be enough time for Labour to pull itself together afterwards, and for this ludicrous interregnum to be forgotten by the electorate and take advantage of the new leader's honeymoon?

    Labour must be hoping so. But you can't fatten a pig on market day.


    How do they get rid of all the hard left members who have either joined or will be joining over the next few weeks?

    Where is the mass of moderates who are going to join up to out vote them?
    The MPs won't nominate a hard-left candidate a second time.
  • dr_spyn
    dr_spyn Posts: 11,312
    The trouble with political jokes is that they sometimes get elected.
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @BBCLouise: Diane Abbott becomes Shadow Communities Secretary


  • edmundintokyo
    edmundintokyo Posts: 17,735
    Stating the obvious here but Britain really needs a PR voting system so that there's an actual opposition when the biggest opposition party gets into a funny mood.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited September 2015
    Casino_Royale said:

    If the Lib Dems hadn't been obliterated, I reckon we could be counting the weeks until the first defection from Labour.

    Perhaps they still will.

    Defections to the Lib-Dems, Tories and UKIP could be on the cards.

    Also I'd not rule out someone like Mandelson or even Tony Blair himself, starting their own party (National Democrats or something...)
  • oxfordsimon
    oxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    numbertwelve said:

    Abbott to Communities and Local Government

    *sniggers*
  • ReggieCide
    ReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    At this rate Corbyn's going to have to ennoble Owen Jones, Sion Simon and Eoin Clarke to fill the Shadow Ministerial team.

    I blame the Shadow Cabinet flouncers - don't understand how party elections work!
    or not as seems to be the case here - votes for sale, votes for sale
  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Daniel Hamilton
    @danielrhamilton
    Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell: "I wish I could go back to the 80s and assassinate Margaret Thatcher".
    MarkHopkins said:


    The thought I am having is that Corbyn knows he won't survive, so he is going to use this opportunity to put out as many of his (crazy) ideas as possible to hope that some gain traction.

    Either that or everyone sane turned him down.

  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    So, to get this straight, this is the inclusive, broad-church, all-wings-of-the-party, unifying shadow cabinet which was promised, right?

    It's got Andy Burnham in it. So it automatically includes everything from every wing.

    But, really, f*** me. This is the logical corollary of electing Corbyn, and I reconciled myself and my betfair book to that fact some time ago. But seeing it in action is something else.
  • flightpath01
    flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Casino_Royale said:

    JonathanD said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Corbyn will probably be gone before GE2020.

    But will there be enough time for Labour to pull itself together afterwards, and for this ludicrous interregnum to be forgotten by the electorate and take advantage of the new leader's honeymoon?

    Labour must be hoping so. But you can't fatten a pig on market day.


    How do they get rid of all the hard left members who have either joined or will be joining over the next few weeks?

    Where is the mass of moderates who are going to join up to out vote them?
    The MPs won't nominate a hard-left candidate a second time.
    What makes you think the rules will give MPs that privilege next time?
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    I don't really know McDonell other than the IRA comments, is he really that bad? It's hard to believe he could be worse than Corbyn after being told how bad Corbyn is supposed to be.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    I now can't decide what I'm more stunned by: that famous Exit Poll, or Corbyn's election and his appointment of McDonnell as shadow chancellor.

    Both caused my chin to drop to the floor.
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    Danny565 said:

    Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84
    As well as half Shadow Cabinet being women, women should surely make up half of the big four ministries (PM / Chancellor / Foreign / Home)

    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 8m8 minutes ago
    Well, one thing's proved tonight. @OwenJones84 is definitely NOT running the Corbyn leadership..

    About the difficulties of the top 4, Benn was already on Foreign, Corbyn already Leader, Burnham needed to be accommodated, so that's already 3 out of 4 being men.
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    What's left then? Leader of the Commons, Educashun, Transport, Wales, Duchy of Lancaster, Portsmouth
  • Scrapheap_as_was
    Scrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Penny for Ed Balls thoughts...

  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    alex. said:

    What's left then? Leader of the Commons, Educashun, Transport, Wales, Duchy of Lancaster, Portsmouth

    Hang on - he hasn't filled transport yet? That's quite an important post in the context.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Another John McDonnell quote:

    "Mr McDonnell, MP for The Hayes and Harlington, said he would be glad to "go back to the 1980s and assassinate Thatcher"."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7808953/John-McDonnell-says-he-would-like-to-assassinate-Margaret-Thatcher.html
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Gisela Stuart to defect to the Tories?
  • isam
    isam Posts: 42,205
    edited September 2015
    I have only heard of john McDonnell because people on here kept saying he might be shadow chancellor if corbyn won... So how come everyone's acting surprised now he is?
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    kle4 said:

    I don't really know McDonell other than the IRA comments, is he really that bad? It's hard to believe he could be worse than Corbyn after being told how bad Corbyn is supposed to be.

    I think he comes across ok on TV.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Tissue_Price said:

    It's got Andy Burnham in it. So it automatically includes everything from every wing.

    LOL!
    Tissue_Price said:

    But, really, f*** me. This is the logical corollary of electing Corbyn, and I reconciled myself and my betfair book to that fact some time ago. But seeing it in action is something else.

    This is right. There is no appointment which Jeremy Corbyn can make, no matter how crazy and unthinkable, which outdoes in craziness the Labour Party's appointment of Jeremy Corbyn as its leader.

  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    edited September 2015
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Penny for Ed Balls thoughts...

    "That f*cking stone!"
  • JWisemann
    JWisemann Posts: 1,082
    edited September 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @stephenpollard: Just to repeat: it was the Corbyn camp who described the position as 'Minister for Jews'. They actually thought it would be welcomed.

    Any evidence for this? Or just hysterical nonsense from an extreme right-winger?
    There really is some gullible cretins on the right when they read something that confirms their lunatic prejudices.
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Maybe a woman will be the Minister for Jews.

    This is just superb.
  • Malmesbury
    Malmesbury Posts: 55,723
    AndyJS said:

    John McDonnell in his own words:

    "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution

    Why do these people never give credit for the other lot? - Johnny Adair (for example) worked very hard at drug dealing, murder, torture, arson etc as well. It seems rude to deny him his place in scumdom..
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited September 2015
    Was John McDonnell the one who went crazy with the Mace a few years ago? :smiley:
  • Dair
    Dair Posts: 6,108
    Plato_Says said:

    Kevin Schofield @PolhomeEditor
    EXCL Michael Dugher is new shadow culture, media and sport secretary, PoliticsHome can also reveal.

    Things are looking very male and white so far.
  • kle4
    kle4 Posts: 99,113
    isam said:

    I have only heard of john McDonnell because people on here kept saying he might be shadow chancellor if corbyn won... So how come everyone's acting surprised now he is?

    Reports earlier this evening 'on twitter' I believe that others had said they wouldn't serve if McDonnel was appointed to that position, and so an assumption he would go elsewhere.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    flightpath01 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    JonathanD said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Corbyn will probably be gone before GE2020.

    But will there be enough time for Labour to pull itself together afterwards, and for this ludicrous interregnum to be forgotten by the electorate and take advantage of the new leader's honeymoon?

    Labour must be hoping so. But you can't fatten a pig on market day.


    How do they get rid of all the hard left members who have either joined or will be joining over the next few weeks?

    Where is the mass of moderates who are going to join up to out vote them?
    The MPs won't nominate a hard-left candidate a second time.
    What makes you think the rules will give MPs that privilege next time?
    Watson.
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    AndyJS said:

    Another John McDonnell quote:

    "Mr McDonnell, MP for The Hayes and Harlington, said he would be glad to "go back to the 1980s and assassinate Thatcher"."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7808953/John-McDonnell-says-he-would-like-to-assassinate-Margaret-Thatcher.html


    I think Corbyn and his allies are going to galvanise a lot of supporters. Of the other parties.

  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Scrapheap_as_was said:

    Penny for Ed Balls thoughts...

    I rather suspect that the name 'Ed Miliband' is not terribly popular in the Balls-Cooper household.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Tissue_Price said:

    It's got Andy Burnham in it. So it automatically includes everything from every wing.

    LOL!
    Tissue_Price said:

    But, really, f*** me. This is the logical corollary of electing Corbyn, and I reconciled myself and my betfair book to that fact some time ago. But seeing it in action is something else.

    This is right. There is no appointment which Jeremy Corbyn can make, no matter how crazy and unthinkable, which outdoes in craziness the Labour Party's appointment of Jeremy Corbyn as its leader.

    Appointing Jihadi John as Foreign Minister and Gerry Adams as Northern Ireland Minister?
  • CornishBlue
    CornishBlue Posts: 840
    Casino_Royale said:

    Gisela Stuart to defect to the Tories?

    A Labour MP defecting to Team Blue would be (yet more) icing on the cake.

    So - the next thing to happen! :D
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    GIN1138 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    If the Lib Dems hadn't been obliterated, I reckon we could be counting the weeks until the first defection from Labour.

    Perhaps they still will.

    Defections to the Lib-Dems, Tories and UKIP could be on the cards.

    Also I'd not rule out someone like Mandelson or even Tony Blair himself, starting their own party (National Democrats or something...)
    Anything's possible.
  • TudorRose
    TudorRose Posts: 1,683
    AndyJS said:

    John McDonnell in his own words:

    "It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/may/30/northernireland.devolution

    Do pacificists support 'armed struggles'?
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132

    Is Corbyn actually a Conservative agent within the Labour Party?
  • Speedy
    Speedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    isam said:

    I have only heard of john McDonnell because people on here kept saying he might be shadow chancellor if corbyn won... So how come everyone's acting surprised now he is?

    Someone has to act the part of being enraged.
  • alex.
    alex. Posts: 4,658
    GIN1138 said:

    Was John McDonnell the one who went crazy with the Mace a few years ago? :smiley:

    Well, Heseltine did that!
  • glw
    glw Posts: 10,463
    JWisemann said:

    There really is some gullible cretins on the right when they read something that confirms their lunatic prejudices.

    Possibly true, but the biggest group of gullible cretins are the Corbyn voters.
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    GIN1138 said:

    Was John McDonnell the one who went crazy with the Mace a few years ago? :smiley:

    Yes (over Heathrow expansion)
  • JEO
    JEO Posts: 3,656
    Umunna was ok to stay in the shadow cabinet if Corbyn nationalised energy companies, ratched up taxes, ended spending restraint, printed money to fund government spending, brought in maximum salaries and took the banks back without compensation to owners. But campaigning to leave the EU, THAT would be anti-business.

    What a joke the Blairites are. The EU is like a religion to them.
  • MyBurningEars
    MyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    CornishBlue said:

    MyBurningEars said:



    The Land Value Tax is something that a lot of "neo-liberal" economists think would be a good idea - it would have a much lower deadweight loss than taxes on income, sales or profits.

    Yes... but it should replace one or two (or indeed, several) existing taxes. The Loony Party (formerly Labour) would just pile it on top of our existing taxes.
    When I am in one of my optimistic moods, I wonder whether Osborne might - when he's feeling radical - go for this kind of thing. The Mirrlees Review was cautiously positive about it.

    http://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/mirrleesreview/design/ch16.pdf
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    JWisemann said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    @stephenpollard: Just to repeat: it was the Corbyn camp who described the position as 'Minister for Jews'. They actually thought it would be welcomed.

    Any evidence for this? Or just hysterical nonsense from an extreme right-winger?
    There really is some gullible cretins on the right when they read something that confirms their lunatic prejudices.
    Quite a few other journalists, right and left are confirming the same story
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited September 2015
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Was John McDonnell the one who went crazy with the Mace a few years ago? :smiley:

    Yes (over Heathrow expansion)
    Better keep it under lock and key when The Macs In Da' House then? :smiley:
  • JEO
    JEO Posts: 3,656
    Tissue_Price said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    So, to get this straight, this is the inclusive, broad-church, all-wings-of-the-party, unifying shadow cabinet which was promised, right?

    It's got Andy Burnham in it. So it automatically includes everything from every wing.

    But, really, f*** me. This is the logical corollary of electing Corbyn, and I reconciled myself and my betfair book to that fact some time ago. But seeing it in action is something else.
    That Burnham joke made me laugh a lot. It's funny because it's true. Poor Reek.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Surely all this has doubled David Cameron's majority with DUP support and also even if there are no defections the number of labour mps disaffected may well abstain or even vote against Corbyn
  • MarqueeMark
    MarqueeMark Posts: 55,458
    Just how much fucking acid has the Labour Party dropped???? Corbyn might be teetotal, but he must be sucking on a great big peyote.

    It's a horror show. It's like a toddler has found an open gun cabinet.....

  • Plato_Says
    Plato_Says Posts: 11,822
    And for Diane as Communities Sec

    David Jack
    @DJack_Journo
    @patrick_kidd @kayaburgess @KateMaltby White people love to divide and rule
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Labour MP for Hull North, Diana Johnson:

    https://twitter.com/DianaJohnsonMP/status/643180094383628288
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    I'm glad Roy Mason is no longer alive to see this.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    Corbyn is really taking the piss with the Parliamentary Labour Party. He probably doesn't like them too much. His Compass group of saddos probably spent many, many meetings slagging everyone else off.

    It's a bit like the bullied geeks taking over the asylum. I know I'm mixing my metaphors, but you get my point.

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