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I'm partaking in a YouGov survey.
They are asking me who I admire the most, Cameron or Thatcher.0 -
Yes, that seems to be what the court is saying, and I can't see how one could argue against it. It is, after all, completely consistent with the treatment of travel expenses and IIRC also with the health & safety responsibility of the employer.SouthamObserver said:As I understand it (though I could be wrong) it means that if you work, say, as a British Gas engineer from home your working day begins when you leave home to drive to your first appointment, rather than when you arrive, as it was British Gas that made the appointment and arranged the allocated time-slot, and you travel there as a representative of British Gas. A commute is different as that is you just going to work.
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The risk in leaving it is that somehow Corbyn becomes popular and can then dismiss the attacks as nothing more than smears. It's a small risk, but it does exist. A departure after eighteen months and yet another leadership contest would surely suit the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
The morning thread will discuss this.SeanT said:
What's worse, Corbyn will KEEP giving them material. He's 66 years old. He's not going to change his views now. And what's more, he likes virtue signalling. He's a moral narcissist, so he will want to parade his "braver" views, to bask in the adoration of his fellow Trots - and he will be Leader of the Opposition, so he will have ample scope.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have heard the Tory strategy will be use House of Commons privilege and accuse associates of Corbyn of being anti-semites/anti British etc then that will give the media the cover to go medieval on CorbynTissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229373/Corbyn-attacks-Cameron-launching-drone-strike-killing-British-ISIS-fanatic-Syria-claiming-unclear-point.html …
And some of his material will be pretty fecking outrageous, not fit for TV. Jeremy Corbyn: the Roy "Chubby" Brown of left wing politics. Discuss.
The only issue is the Tories do it now, or risk Labour removing him, or wait closer to the Genera election?
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They aren't engineers - they are technicians.SouthamObserver said:
As I understand it (though I could be wrong) it means that if you work, say, as a British Gas engineer from home your working day begins when you leave home to drive to your first appointment, rather than when you arrive, as it was British Gas that made the appointment and arranged the allocated time-slot, and you travel there as a representative of British Gas. A commute is different as that is you just going to work.flightpath01 said:
Does that mean that people get paid for the time spent travelling to work??JosiasJessop said:
In some jobs, e.g. rail work, time spent travelling to work is counted as 'work time' for the purposes of working hours. There have been incidents and near-misses where people have worked over their allotted hours when you count travel.JEO said:Another absolutely brainless decision from the EU - commuting will count as work for the working time directive.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34210002
So if you work too long, simply move further away and you can replace hours of work with time sleeping on the train .
For safety-related jobs, it's a good idea. For everything else, no.
If I am allowed by working time directive to work 48 hours then we must presume I do and get paid for 48 hours work.
If I spend 1hr per day travelling to work - each way - then that is 10 hours per week I am not allowed to earn money out of my 48hr working week. Someone living 5 mins way round the corner effectively still get 48 hrs pay compared to my 38 hours. Unless my company pay me 48hrs pay for 38hrs work.
Is there something lost in interpreting this regulation?
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He's more the Jerry Sadowitz of left wing politics. Likely to get his lights punched out by an audience member...SeanT said:
What's worse, Corbyn will KEEP giving them material. He's 66 years old. He's not going to change his views now. And what's more, he likes virtue signalling. He's a moral narcissist, so he will want to parade his "braver" views, to bask in the adoration of his fellow Trots - and he will be Leader of the Opposition, so he will have ample scope.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have heard the Tory strategy will be use House of Commons privilege and accuse associates of Corbyn of being anti-semites/anti British etc then that will give the media the cover to go medieval on CorbynTissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229373/Corbyn-attacks-Cameron-launching-drone-strike-killing-British-ISIS-fanatic-Syria-claiming-unclear-point.html …
And some of his material will be pretty fecking outrageous, not fit for TV. Jeremy Corbyn: the Roy "Chubby" Brown of left wing politics. Discuss.0 -
It doesn't matter the only thing the public will hear is "Corbyn would spare their lives". The nuances of the issue are irrelevant.Cyclefree said:But the latter is much much more damaging because he would effectively be saying that, even though there is a risk to Britain and British citizens, he will not authorise the action designed to keep them safe.
"LOTO refuses to keep Britain safe from terrorists" is not a voter-winning headline for Labour.0 -
I had that earlier. The Corbyn/Osborne choice for PM was easier.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm partaking in a YouGov survey.
They are asking me who I admire the most, Cameron or Thatcher.0 -
tim will be spinning in his proverbial PB-grave!Tissue_Price said:
I had that earlier. The Corbyn/Osborne choice for PM was easier.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm partaking in a YouGov survey.
They are asking me who I admire the most, Cameron or Thatcher.0 -
"LOTO refuses to keep Britain safe from his terrorist friends" is nearer to how it will be played out.Cyclefree said:
But the latter is much much more damaging because he would effectively be saying that, even though there is a risk to Britain and British citizens, he will not authorise the action designed to keep them safe.glw said:
Either will do, the public aren't fretting about the rights of ISIS terrorists.Cyclefree said:glw said:
He's not wrong.Tissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now:
"Mr Corbyn questioned whether the RAF airstrike which killed Khan and a fellow UK jihadist Ruhul Amin was legal and confirmed he would not have authorised the attack."
That's the 11% opinion, the Tories have the 66%.
So is he saying that he would not have authorised an illegal attack - which I think would also be Cameron's position - or is he saying that, even if legal, he still would not have authorised?
"LOTO refuses to keep Britain safe from terrorists" is not a voter-winning headline for Labour.
Labour, Labour, Labour - what have you done?0 -
The Cooper v Boris who would make the best PM Q was also trickierTissue_Price said:
I had that earlier. The Corbyn/Osborne choice for PM was easier.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm partaking in a YouGov survey.
They are asking me who I admire the most, Cameron or Thatcher.0 -
You mean the Tom Watson modus operandi approach to sullying your opponents? #McAlpineTheScreamingEagles said:
I have heard the Tory strategy will be use House of Commons privilege and accuse associates of Corbyn of being anti-semites/anti British etc then that will give the media the cover to go medieval on CorbynTissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229373/Corbyn-attacks-Cameron-launching-drone-strike-killing-British-ISIS-fanatic-Syria-claiming-unclear-point.html …0 -
Stories should be peppered out over the next 4 years, so by the time we get to the pre-campaign period of the 2020GE his credibility is shot to shreds.TheScreamingEagles said:
The morning thread will discuss this.SeanT said:
What's worse, Corbyn will KEEP giving them material. He's 66 years old. He's not going to change his views now. And what's more, he likes virtue signalling. He's a moral narcissist, so he will want to parade his "braver" views, to bask in the adoration of his fellow Trots - and he will be Leader of the Opposition, so he will have ample scope.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have heard the Tory strategy will be use House of Commons privilege and accuse associates of Corbyn of being anti-semites/anti British etc then that will give the media the cover to go medieval on CorbynTissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229373/Corbyn-attacks-Cameron-launching-drone-strike-killing-British-ISIS-fanatic-Syria-claiming-unclear-point.html …
And some of his material will be pretty fecking outrageous, not fit for TV. Jeremy Corbyn: the Roy "Chubby" Brown of left wing politics. Discuss.
The only issue is the Tories do it now, or risk Labour removing him, or wait closer to the Genera election?
Then they go in hard, very hard, with the full salvos over the last 6 months. As soon as the last Labour conference is out of the way.0 -
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Smears are not smears if they're true. Particularly if Corbyn is basking in them. If he can be popular while he's doing that then the Tories have lost the argument anyway.SouthamObserver said:
The risk in leaving it is that somehow Corbyn becomes popular and can then dismiss the attacks as nothing more than smears. It's a small risk, but it does exist. A departure after eighteen months and yet another leadership contest would surely suit the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
The morning thread will discuss this.SeanT said:
What's worse, Corbyn will KEEP giving them material. He's 66 years old. He's not going to change his views now. And what's more, he likes virtue signalling. He's a moral narcissist, so he will want to parade his "braver" views, to bask in the adoration of his fellow Trots - and he will be Leader of the Opposition, so he will have ample scope.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have heard the Tory strategy will be use House of Commons privilege and accuse associates of Corbyn of being anti-semites/anti British etc then that will give the media the cover to go medieval on CorbynTissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229373/Corbyn-attacks-Cameron-launching-drone-strike-killing-British-ISIS-fanatic-Syria-claiming-unclear-point.html …
And some of his material will be pretty fecking outrageous, not fit for TV. Jeremy Corbyn: the Roy "Chubby" Brown of left wing politics. Discuss.
The only issue is the Tories do it now, or risk Labour removing him, or wait closer to the Genera election?
Probably the bigger risk for the Tories is becoming too fixated on Corbyn and his nutcase associates and failing to make the positive case for their own policies, only to find that Labour neutralise the attacks by dumping Corbyn, putting the Tories behind the game against a fresh new Labour leader (even allowing for there being a fresh new Tory leader too).0 -
Saw an article in the Speccy earlier about how Tom Watson could be Labour's saviour.SimonStClare said:
You mean the Tom Watson modus operandi approach to sullying your opponents? #McAlpineTheScreamingEagles said:
I have heard the Tory strategy will be use House of Commons privilege and accuse associates of Corbyn of being anti-semites/anti British etc then that will give the media the cover to go medieval on CorbynTissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229373/Corbyn-attacks-Cameron-launching-drone-strike-killing-British-ISIS-fanatic-Syria-claiming-unclear-point.html …
If Tom Watson is the answer, you're asking the wrong feckin' question.0 -
@MSmithsonPB: If LAB, which took my £3, had let me vote it would have been
1 Kendall
2 Cooper
3 Corbyn
4 Burnham0 -
David Cameron's "Play your cards wrong" ... Next years tally? 'Higher than a 299 you saaayyy??'
https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/6419842409896755220 -
How many Indyrefs did Maggie win ?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm partaking in a YouGov survey.
They are asking me who I admire the most, Cameron or Thatcher.0 -
Intelligence does not equal being correct or more likely to reach the right conclusion, only that you have a very good innate ability to learn. But that doesn't mean it's consistently exercised.AndyJS said:
This seems to be one of those occasions where the more "intelligent" someone apparently is the more stupid they are when it comes to noticing the obvious.SeanT said:Just been having a debate on Twitter with an intelligent europhile who hadn't worked out why mass Syrian/3rd World migration into Sweden/Germany was a problem for his side in the euroref.
He hadn't worked out that Free Movement means they can come here, in time.
If that's the calibre of europhile thinking the INNERS have a big problem.
In Sweden, before the war, the educated elites though euthanasia was a jolly good thing.
Intelligent people tend to think they have no prejudices when, in fact, they do, it's just they are more sophisticated in their explanation of those so they end up both sounding like they are rationalised positions and, through that, convincing themselves that they are too.0 -
I think Mike will be really disappointed if Labour don't elect Burnham
He rates Burnham as highly as a I rate Mark Reckless.
The thread headers during the Burnham leadership would have been fun.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2018#Poll_results
Sweden democrats now ahead in a second poll - hopefully now they'll stop criticising useless foreign polling companies. Roll on the eurosceptics...0 -
If they are dressed like that, and driving around in cars like that, I am not surprised that they were arrested.isam said:David Cameron's "Play your cards wrong" ... Next years tally? 'Higher than a 299 you saaayyy??'
https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/641984240989675522
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I know. I voted for Thatcher in the end.TGOHF said:
How many Indyrefs did Maggie win ?TheScreamingEagles said:I'm partaking in a YouGov survey.
They are asking me who I admire the most, Cameron or Thatcher.
The Tory PM that privatised so many industries and signed the Single European Act got my vote in the end.0 -
I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at firstRobD said:
If they are dressed like that, and driving around in cars like that, I am not surprised that they were arrested.isam said:David Cameron's "Play your cards wrong" ... Next years tally? 'Higher than a 299 you saaayyy??'
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Burnham drifting on betfair - 15.5 now. Still, at least he kept his dignity during the contest. Oh.0
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Very good point. The Tories sailed dangerously close to the wind with Miliband on that in the last parliament, IMHO.david_herdson said:
Smears are not smears if they're true. Particularly if Corbyn is basking in them. If he can be popular while he's doing that then the Tories have lost the argument anyway.SouthamObserver said:
The risk in leaving it is that somehow Corbyn becomes popular and can then dismiss the attacks as nothing more than smears. It's a small risk, but it does exist. A departure after eighteen months and yet another leadership contest would surely suit the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
The morning thread will discuss this.SeanT said:
What's worse, Corbyn will KEEP giving them material. He's 66 years old. He's not going to change his views now. And what's more, he likes virtue signalling. He's a moral narcissist, so he will want to parade his "braver" views, to bask in the adoration of his fellow Trots - and he will be Leader of the Opposition, so he will have ample scope.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have heard the Tory strategy will be use House of Commons privilege and accuse associates of Corbyn of being anti-semites/anti British etc then that will give the media the cover to go medieval on CorbynTissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229373/Corbyn-attacks-Cameron-launching-drone-strike-killing-British-ISIS-fanatic-Syria-claiming-unclear-point.html …
And some of his material will be pretty fecking outrageous, not fit for TV. Jeremy Corbyn: the Roy "Chubby" Brown of left wing politics. Discuss.
The only issue is the Tories do it now, or risk Labour removing him, or wait closer to the Genera election?
Probably the bigger risk for the Tories is becoming too fixated on Corbyn and his nutcase associates and failing to make the positive case for their own policies, only to find that Labour neutralise the attacks by dumping Corbyn, putting the Tories behind the game against a fresh new Labour leader (even allowing for there being a fresh new Tory leader too).0 -
Very good...!isam said:
I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at firstRobD said:
If they are dressed like that, and driving around in cars like that, I am not surprised that they were arrested.isam said:David Cameron's "Play your cards wrong" ... Next years tally? 'Higher than a 299 you saaayyy??'
https:.com/dailymailuk/status/641984240989675522
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I've come up with a very good insult about Burnham to be used tomorrow night.Tissue_Price said:Burnham drifting on betfair - 15.5 now. Still, at least he kept his dignity during the contest. Oh.
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Ha! Snorted a bit of coffee at that.Tissue_Price said:Burnham drifting on betfair - 15.5 now. Still, at least he kept his dignity during the contest. Oh.
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Remember the poll which showed 29% wanted to allow zero Syrian refugees into the country and which Newsnight and Channel 4 News found so objectionable? Well actually those 29% know perfectly well that if the official target was zero the reality would be tens of thousands at least, because that's how the real world works. There's always a substantial gap between the official target and what actually happens. Ordinary people are smart enough to realise that, others not so.Casino_Royale said:
Intelligence does not equal being correct or more likely to reach the right conclusion, only that you have a very good innate ability to learn. But that doesn't mean it's consistently exercised.AndyJS said:
This seems to be one of those occasions where the more "intelligent" someone apparently is the more stupid they are when it comes to noticing the obvious.SeanT said:Just been having a debate on Twitter with an intelligent europhile who hadn't worked out why mass Syrian/3rd World migration into Sweden/Germany was a problem for his side in the euroref.
He hadn't worked out that Free Movement means they can come here, in time.
If that's the calibre of europhile thinking the INNERS have a big problem.
In Sweden, before the war, the educated elites though euthanasia was a jolly good thing.
Intelligent people tend to think they have no prejudices when, in fact, they do, it's just they are more sophisticated in their explanation of those so they end up both sounding like they are rationalised positions and, through that, convincing themselves that they are too.0 -
And that's before the 3% shy rightwinger correction ;-)Pauly said:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2018#Poll_results
Sweden democrats now ahead in a second poll - hopefully now they'll stop criticising useless foreign polling companies. Roll on the eurosceptics...0 -
I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
Do you think the Syria/immigration crisis will perk up UKIP's electoral fortunes?0 -
I expect Corbyn to be humiliated and forced to resign with 3-4 months0
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I disagree. Another leadership contest in 2021 filled with recriminations would be best for the Tories.SouthamObserver said:
The risk in leaving it is that somehow Corbyn becomes popular and can then dismiss the attacks as nothing more than smears. It's a small risk, but it does exist. A departure after eighteen months and yet another leadership contest would surely suit the Tories.TheScreamingEagles said:
The morning thread will discuss this.SeanT said:
What's worse, Corbyn will KEEP giving them material. He's 66 years old. He's not going to change his views now. And what's more, he likes virtue signalling. He's a moral narcissist, so he will want to parade his "braver" views, to bask in the adoration of his fellow Trots - and he will be Leader of the Opposition, so he will have ample scope.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have heard the Tory strategy will be use House of Commons privilege and accuse associates of Corbyn of being anti-semites/anti British etc then that will give the media the cover to go medieval on CorbynTissue_Price said:Nicely put:
Tom Harris @tnjharris
The Tories are basically playing politics on "Easy" level now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3229373/Corbyn-attacks-Cameron-launching-drone-strike-killing-British-ISIS-fanatic-Syria-claiming-unclear-point.html …
And some of his material will be pretty fecking outrageous, not fit for TV. Jeremy Corbyn: the Roy "Chubby" Brown of left wing politics. Discuss.
The only issue is the Tories do it now, or risk Labour removing him, or wait closer to the Genera election?
Their tactic should be to launch a flurry of criticism now, so that he is quickly defined in the UK public's mind but too soon to be replaced, let him recover a bit in the polls so that he stays, and then leave off until late 2018.0 -
YC is going to pip JC - I tells ya.
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I thank yowRobD said:
Very good...!isam said:
I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at firstRobD said:
If they are dressed like that, and driving around in cars like that, I am not surprised that they were arrested.isam said:David Cameron's "Play your cards wrong" ... Next years tally? 'Higher than a 299 you saaayyy??'
https:.com/dailymailuk/status/641984240989675522
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Glenkinchie.flightpath01 said:
I like Glenclinchie from Edinburgh. Just a couple of drops of water with it.SandyRentool said:Good afternoon all.
I have to confess that I was feeling a bit delicate this morning, after yesterday's distillery visit.
I recommend the Auchentoshan 21 year old. In fact, I recommend all of their output!0 -
Mike's inadvertent Mr T impression "The man is fool!" was great fun.TheScreamingEagles said:I think Mike will be really disappointed if Labour don't elect Burnham
He rates Burnham as highly as a I rate Mark Reckless.
The thread headers during the Burnham leadership would have been fun.0 -
And the thread after she wins will be entitled "Will the country elect as PM someone who has in all likelihood felated Ed Balls?"TGOHF said:YC is going to pip JC - I tells ya.
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I heard that Baghdad has accepted Germany's kind offer of citizenship and the population are on their way. May be far fetched but what on earth has Merkel done and at what point will she be forced to retract and how can she retract.0
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Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
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As did the Fabians ...Casino_Royale said:
Intelligence does not equal being correct or more likely to reach the right conclusion, only that you have a very good innate ability to learn. But that doesn't mean it's consistently exercised.AndyJS said:
This seems to be one of those occasions where the more "intelligent" someone apparently is the more stupid they are when it comes to noticing the obvious.SeanT said:Just been having a debate on Twitter with an intelligent europhile who hadn't worked out why mass Syrian/3rd World migration into Sweden/Germany was a problem for his side in the euroref.
He hadn't worked out that Free Movement means they can come here, in time.
If that's the calibre of europhile thinking the INNERS have a big problem.
In Sweden, before the war, the educated elites though euthanasia was a jolly good thing.
Intelligent people tend to think they have no prejudices when, in fact, they do, it's just they are more sophisticated in their explanation of those so they end up both sounding like they are rationalised positions and, through that, convincing themselves that they are too.0 -
By the point she will retract there will be several million on the ground in Europe. It would take a level of mobilisation equivalent to the D-Day landings to send even half of them back.Big_G_NorthWales said:I heard that Baghdad has accepted Germany's kind offer of citizenship and the population are on their way. May be far fetched but what on earth has Merkel done and at what point will she be forced to retract and how can she retract.
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Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
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''I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well though.''
Especially when Corbs rolls out his immigration policy, I guess.0 -
Ideal if it was a northern by electionisam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
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Why do you do this?!?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the thread after she wins will be entitled "Will the country elect as PM someone who has in all likelihood felated Ed Balls?"TGOHF said:YC is going to pip JC - I tells ya.
Mind Bleach!
That's going to stick with me for days now.
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Even the SYP should be able to spot something fishy. And then immediately arrest all their victims...RobD said:
If they are dressed like that, and driving around in cars like that, I am not surprised that they were arrested.isam said:David Cameron's "Play your cards wrong" ... Next years tally? 'Higher than a 299 you saaayyy??'
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And if they still keep comingJEO said:
By the point she will retract there will be several million on the ground in Europe. It would take a level of mobilisation equivalent to the D-Day landings to send even half of them back.Big_G_NorthWales said:I heard that Baghdad has accepted Germany's kind offer of citizenship and the population are on their way. May be far fetched but what on earth has Merkel done and at what point will she be forced to retract and how can she retract.
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Yes. I can't see how it could possibly be allowed to be otherwise. So far as our establishment/security services go, Corbyn has got 'security risk' written all over him. There is absolutely no way he will be allowed to be a potential PM.TGOHF said:YC is going to pip JC - I tells ya.
Sadly as I see it.0 -
I'll use this picture in the thread and well you can imagine the restDaemonBarber said:
Why do you do this?!?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the thread after she wins will be entitled "Will the country elect as PM someone who has in all likelihood felated Ed Balls?"TGOHF said:YC is going to pip JC - I tells ya.
Mind Bleach!
That's going to stick with me for days now.
http://thebackbencher.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ed-balls.jpg0 -
Good morning. In less than 48 hours, Left-wing activists from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest political battle in the history of mankind. Mankind - that word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests.
Perhaps its fate that day is the 12th of Septmber, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution - but from Austerity. We're fighting for our right to live, to exist.
And should we win the day, the 12th of September will no longer be known as a Labour Party holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice:
"We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive!"
The day, we celebrate our Independence Day!
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NFL starts tonight - Steelers at Patriots. Tom Brady in search of redemption and they unveil their Super Bowl banner. NFL Sunday Ticket starts this weekend, with the amazing Red Zone Channel. America's Team host the Giants on the NBC Sunday Night game.
The unwatchable exhibition games are finally over! I can't wait!
I still have not visited Jerry World, something I need to rectify soon.
Carrie Underwood is back with the theme song....
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Well, that depends how many have already upped sticks and are on their way.Big_G_NorthWales said:I heard that Baghdad has accepted Germany's kind offer of citizenship and the population are on their way. May be far fetched but what on earth has Merkel done and at what point will she be forced to retract and how can she retract.
1 million? 10 million?
'Ach, but you kant come here, I only zaid 800,000'
Merkel's probably made one of the worst decisions and announcements by a European politician, ever.0 -
What links 'ordinary' and intelligent people together, if it's not too patronising to put it that way, is social proof.AndyJS said:
Remember the poll which showed 29% wanted to allow zero Syrian refugees into the country and which Newsnight and Channel 4 News found so objectionable? Well actually those 29% know perfectly well that if the official target was zero the reality would be tens of thousands at least, because that's how the real world works. There's always a substantial gap between the official target and what actually happens. Ordinary people are smart enough to realise that, others not so.Casino_Royale said:
Intelligence does not equal being correct or more likely to reach the right conclusion, only that you have a very good innate ability to learn. But that doesn't mean it's consistently exercised.AndyJS said:
This seems to be one of those occasions where the more "intelligent" someone apparently is the more stupid they are when it comes to noticing the obvious.SeanT said:Just been having a debate on Twitter with an intelligent europhile who hadn't worked out why mass Syrian/3rd World migration into Sweden/Germany was a problem for his side in the euroref.
He hadn't worked out that Free Movement means they can come here, in time.
If that's the calibre of europhile thinking the INNERS have a big problem.
In Sweden, before the war, the educated elites though euthanasia was a jolly good thing.
Intelligent people tend to think they have no prejudices when, in fact, they do, it's just they are more sophisticated in their explanation of those so they end up both sounding like they are rationalised positions and, through that, convincing themselves that they are too.
Intelligence people tend to hang around with other intelligent people and will tend to socially prove themselves for social acceptance within their own peer group, with its attitudes and perspectives, and against others. It usually ends in brandishing 'ordinary' people as bigoted, or stupid.
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Afternoon all
I wonder if it was as much as £10 that caused Abbott's odds to shorten. Sometimes people need to remember just how little money is bet on politics in this country compared to racing, football or even the forthcoming Rugby World Cup.
I don't have a dog in the Labour leadership race either - I've got better things to spend £3 on. I will be fascinated to see how Corbyn reacts to victory - if memory serves, Michael Foot had stood against Callaghan after Wilson's resignation so the expectation wasn't perhaps the same.
The process has been shambolic and the degree to which that weakens the legitimacy of any successful candidate will depend on the margin of victory. I've talked about Corbyn before - I believe his weakness will be the inability to adapt to the quickfire, media driven atmosphere of modern politics.
The direction of Labour between now and 2020 is harder to fathom - the evolution of more combative and distinctive policies seems likely and it may be that audacity and credibility will become strange bedfellows in Labour going forward. None of that is unreasonable - parties should think the unthinkable. After all, no one thought much of monetarism or privatisation in Conservative ranks for many years as the Party was wedded to Butskellism.
The Conservatives, as this week has shown, have problems of their own on a number of issues and the inevitable midterm dip (or slump) in popularity may give Labour a boost and as I opined this morning, given we are barely four months into a sixty month electoral cycle, attempting to define the look of the world in 2019-20 now is a thankless task indeed.
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I thought the Purdey haircut went out in 1978...isam said:0 -
Still over three months to go...RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
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''I've talked about Corbyn before - I believe his weakness will be the inability to adapt to the quickfire, media driven atmosphere of modern politics.''
B8llocks. Corbyns beliefs and policies are his weakness.0 -
Tin foiled again !Luckyguy1983 said:
Yes. I can't see how it could possibly be allowed to be otherwise. So far as our establishment/security services go, Corbyn has got 'security risk' written all over him. There is absolutely no way he will be allowed to be a potential PM.TGOHF said:YC is going to pip JC - I tells ya.
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And to announce it without agreement with the EU demonstrates an arrogance that is undemocratic and shows all that is wrong in the EUwatford30 said:
Well, that depends how many have already upped sticks and are on their way.Big_G_NorthWales said:I heard that Baghdad has accepted Germany's kind offer of citizenship and the population are on their way. May be far fetched but what on earth has Merkel done and at what point will she be forced to retract and how can she retract.
1 million? 10 million?
'Ach, but you kant come here, I only zaid 800,000'
Merkel's probably made one of the worst decisions and announcements by a European politician, ever.0 -
Did you say sticky...DaemonBarber said:
Why do you do this?!?TheScreamingEagles said:
And the thread after she wins will be entitled "Will the country elect as PM someone who has in all likelihood felated Ed Balls?"TGOHF said:YC is going to pip JC - I tells ya.
Mind Bleach!
That's going to stick with me for days now.
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Sleeping? I just look out for junctions, stations, the odd disused station - even a bit of trainspotting!JEO said:Another absolutely brainless decision from the EU - commuting will count as work for the working time directive.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34210002
So if you work too long, simply move further away and you can replace hours of work with time sleeping on the train .0 -
Well, the writ has to be moved. So the window is smaller.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Still over three months to go...RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
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Clive Lewis will swoop in and take over from Corbyn about a year before the election. He's a lefty economically and also a bit "doveish" on foreign policy, but has (a) served in the Army so it would literally be impossible for the Tories to paint him as "anti-British", and (b) is more charismatic than Corbyn.david_herdson said:
Probably the bigger risk for the Tories is becoming too fixated on Corbyn and his nutcase associates and failing to make the positive case for their own policies, only to find that Labour neutralise the attacks by dumping Corbyn, putting the Tories behind the game against a fresh new Labour leader (even allowing for there being a fresh new Tory leader too).0 -
We could still have 100+ by-election this year - if enough Labour MP's resign in disgust at LOTO Corbyn....Sunil_Prasannan said:
Still over three months to go...RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
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"B8llocks. Corbyns beliefs and policies are his weakness."
If people voted on policy then Labour would have won in May (majorities agreed with most of their flagship policies). They didn't because they didn't seem fit to govern and Ed Miliband wasn't prime minister-like.0 -
No by-election in Barrow & Furness?RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
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O/T From this weeks Popbitch:
Every day, the BBC updates its
Papers Review blog – a page which
includes a picture of the front
page of each of the UK's major
national newspapers.
But someone ought to be a bit
more careful where they source
these pictures from. The images
are accurate, but the filenames
can sometimes be a little...
well, let's say injudicious.
This week saw these filenames
appear. See if you can guess
which is which:
...thescumfrontpage050915(1).jpg
...torygraf.jpg
...heil.jpg
...getsworse.jpg
...durt.jpg
...moron.jpg
...stahhhhh.jpg
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"Those Labour Leadership candidates you sold me, they won't mate. They just walk around, pontificating, and not mating. You sold me... queer candidates. I want my £3 back."TheScreamingEagles said:@MSmithsonPB: So I didn't after all get a LAB leadership vote. I want my £3 back.
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The ultimate self flagellation. A German leader inviting close on a million Asian refugees whose men have fondness for blue eyed blondes into the countrywatford30 said:
Well, that depends how many have already upped sticks and are on their way.Big_G_NorthWales said:I heard that Baghdad has accepted Germany's kind offer of citizenship and the population are on their way. May be far fetched but what on earth has Merkel done and at what point will she be forced to retract and how can she retract.
1 million? 10 million?
'Ach, but you kant come here, I only zaid 800,000'
Merkel's probably made one of the worst decisions and announcements by a European politician, ever.0 -
Is a vote on Trident due?AndyJS said:
No by-election in Barrow & Furness?RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
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Oh dear - BBC World News talks about the Toronto Film Festival, and it mentions a lesbian love story having a prestigious slot.0
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This Clive Lewis? I think Angela Merkel just killed his chances....Danny565 said:
Clive Lewis will swoop in and take over from Corbyn about a year before the election. He's a lefty economically and also a bit "doveish" on foreign policy, but has (a) served in the Army so it would literally be impossible for the Tories to paint him as "anti-British", and (b) is more charismatic than Corbyn.david_herdson said:
Probably the bigger risk for the Tories is becoming too fixated on Corbyn and his nutcase associates and failing to make the positive case for their own policies, only to find that Labour neutralise the attacks by dumping Corbyn, putting the Tories behind the game against a fresh new Labour leader (even allowing for there being a fresh new Tory leader too).
"“On the record, I’ve questioned our rhetoric on immigration… I wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for immigration and the fact that my dad came from the West Indies. Everything this country has done for me I am so grateful for and I’ve made the most of it. I don’t think that should be denied to others who want to come here and contribute to our economy and society”.
http://www.concrete-online.co.uk/interview-clive-lewis-labour-candidate-for-norwich-south/0 -
I had Cooper down as a winner in the Election game based on two main considerations:taffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
Do you think the Syria/immigration crisis will perk up UKIP's electoral fortunes?
1. Take no notice of the tw*ttersphere, especially with regard to "leftie" issues.
2. A friend who's a Labour activists says that, when he asks his mates how they're going to vote, JC is markedly less poplar that YC and AB.
Not very scientific approach, I know, - and almost certainly wrong, it would appear. Oh well, at least I haven't staked any money on the outcome...
But I have been wondering lately how people see the vote share for other parties being affected if JC is installed as leader? To me, it would look like the Conservatives, Ukip and the LibDems should benefit but maybe the Greens could lose a few votes?
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Great line from the Ashcroft paper on Corbyn:
"Why is he standing? Maybe it's on his bucket list."0 -
What's the betting on a Tory 50% poll in this parliament? One can dream.....0
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Wrong. We don't know the extent to which Corbyn, as leader, will "allow" his beliefs and policies to become those of the Party. It's perfectly possible that, in order to maintain party unity, he will tack toward some of the elements of the Brown/Miliband era.taffys said:''I've talked about Corbyn before - I believe his weakness will be the inability to adapt to the quickfire, media driven atmosphere of modern politics.''
B8llocks. Corbyns beliefs and policies are his weakness.
The same will be true for the next Conservative Party leader - he or she will need to accommodate those who did not vote with David Cameron in the EU Referendum as an example.
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The BBC has prior form for renaming pic file names reflecting the biases of their employees. I'd bet that the file names were created close to home.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:O/T From this weeks Popbitch:
Every day, the BBC updates its
Papers Review blog – a page which
includes a picture of the front
page of each of the UK's major
national newspapers.
But someone ought to be a bit
more careful where they source
these pictures from. The images
are accurate, but the filenames
can sometimes be a little...
well, let's say injudicious.
This week saw these filenames
appear. See if you can guess
which is which:
...thescumfrontpage050915(1).jpg
...torygraf.jpg
...heil.jpg
...getsworse.jpg
...durt.jpg
...moron.jpg
...stahhhhh.jpg0 -
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2015/09/who-will-win-labours-london-mayoral-nomination-tomorrow
Executive summary: Tessa or Sadiq will win, not at all clear which.0 -
But realistically about a month for something to "happen" which results in a 2015 by-election...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Still over three months to go...RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
Do you think the Syria/immigration crisis will perk up UKIP's electoral fortunes?0 -
"Listen to me. Learn from me. I was not the best because I won elections quickly. I was the best because the Selectorate loved me. Win the Selectorate, and you will win your freedom."RobD said:What's the betting on a Tory 50% poll in this parliament? One can dream.....
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If it is properly weighted for certainty to vote, it could be 60%....RobD said:What's the betting on a Tory 50% poll in this parliament? One can dream.....
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''They didn't because they didn't seem fit to govern and Ed Miliband wasn't prime minister-like. ''
ROFL. Yeh right, if it wasn;t for those short attention span f8ckwit voters, labour would have won...
You were right all along...0 -
2016 Alert:
2nd poll today showing Trump's going up even more and 3rd poll that shows him beating Hillary.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/emerson-college-polling-society-22699
Coupled with Hillary losing to Sanders in Iowa and New Hampshire in the polls, keep an eye on November 27th, the filing deadline to participate in the N.H. primary, in fact 15 states have filing deadlines before the end of the year, so Biden will have to make a decision by then.
http://ballotpedia.org/Important_dates_in_the_2016_presidential_race0 -
According to Wiki:RodCrosby said:
But realistically about a month for something to "happen" which results in a 2015 by-election...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Still over three months to go...RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
Do you think the Syria/immigration crisis will perk up UKIP's electoral fortunes?
Longest period without a by-election[edit]
All periods of over a year between by-elections are listed:
20 November 1997 - 10 June 1999: 567 days
7 November 1991 - 6 May 1993: 546 days
12 March 1987 - 14 July 1988: 489 days
14 February 2002 - 18 June 2003: 489 days
12 November 2009 - 13 January 2011: 427 days
23 May 1974 - 26 June 1975: 399 days
18 June 2003 - 15 July 2004: 393 days
29 June 2006 - 19 July 2007: 385 days
1992, 1998 and 2010 are the only calendar years in history without a single by-election. Since 1992 and 2010 were nonetheless general election years, 1998 stands as the only year in British history without any parliamentary election.0 -
It's a perfectly sensible decision. It only affects those without a fixed place of work.Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, that seems to be what the court is saying, and I can't see how one could argue against it. It is, after all, completely consistent with the treatment of travel expenses and IIRC also with the health & safety responsibility of the employer.SouthamObserver said:As I understand it (though I could be wrong) it means that if you work, say, as a British Gas engineer from home your working day begins when you leave home to drive to your first appointment, rather than when you arrive, as it was British Gas that made the appointment and arranged the allocated time-slot, and you travel there as a representative of British Gas. A commute is different as that is you just going to work.
I know care workers who provide support where they spend a large chunk of their time travelling to customers' (clients' ?) homes. And yet they're only on the system for the 30 mns they spend there.
It will also allow progress on employers who abuse the "place of work" provisions in different ways, such as rotating it, which was being obscured by this issue.0 -
I've wondered about that in the past, but I'm not in that industry. I think it means the employer has to factor in time to get to the workplace. From what I've read, the regulations stipulate a certain maximum time - say twelve hours - and the shift patterns are somewhat less - say ten hours, to account for this.MattW said:
Does that mean that contracts can stipulate how close you live?JosiasJessop said:
In some jobs, e.g. rail work, time spent travelling to work is counted as 'work time' for the purposes of working hours. There have been incidents and near-misses where people have worked over their allotted hours when you count travel.JEO said:Another absolutely brainless decision from the EU - commuting will count as work for the working time directive.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34210002
So if you work too long, simply move further away and you can replace hours of work with time sleeping on the train .
For safety-related jobs, it's a good idea. For everything else, no.
Or that asking the question becomes illegal in interviews?
In the case of train drivers who can start or end a shift in a different town from their home, that can mean the railway company puts them up in hotels (or there used to be railway-run hostels, I've no idea if they've gone with privatisation).
Note IANAE, but I believe the above is about right.
Edit: or maybe not: see appendix B of http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/2867/managing_rail_fatigue.pdf0 -
And it was just before House of Lords by elections too! Wonder if those would have counted.Sunil_Prasannan said:
According to Wiki:RodCrosby said:
But realistically about a month for something to "happen" which results in a 2015 by-election...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Still over three months to go...RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
Do you think the Syria/immigration crisis will perk up UKIP's electoral fortunes?
Longest period without a by-election[edit]
All periods of over a year between by-elections are listed:
20 November 1997 - 10 June 1999: 567 days
7 November 1991 - 6 May 1993: 546 days
12 March 1987 - 14 July 1988: 489 days
14 February 2002 - 18 June 2003: 489 days
12 November 2009 - 13 January 2011: 427 days
23 May 1974 - 26 June 1975: 399 days
18 June 2003 - 15 July 2004: 393 days
29 June 2006 - 19 July 2007: 385 days
1992, 1998 and 2010 are the only calendar years in history without a single by-election. Since 1992 and 2010 were nonetheless general election years, 1998 stands as the only year in British history without any parliamentary election.0 -
I wrote most of that myself, and forgot about 2010!Sunil_Prasannan said:
According to Wiki:RodCrosby said:
But realistically about a month for something to "happen" which results in a 2015 by-election...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Still over three months to go...RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
Do you think the Syria/immigration crisis will perk up UKIP's electoral fortunes?
Longest period without a by-election[edit]
All periods of over a year between by-elections are listed:
20 November 1997 - 10 June 1999: 567 days
7 November 1991 - 6 May 1993: 546 days
12 March 1987 - 14 July 1988: 489 days
14 February 2002 - 18 June 2003: 489 days
12 November 2009 - 13 January 2011: 427 days
23 May 1974 - 26 June 1975: 399 days
18 June 2003 - 15 July 2004: 393 days
29 June 2006 - 19 July 2007: 385 days
1992, 1998 and 2010 are the only calendar years in history without a single by-election. Since 1992 and 2010 were nonetheless general election years, 1998 stands as the only year in British history without any parliamentary election.
Must be brain-softening...0 -
Peter Robinson resigns.0
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NI Collapse, elections imminent? Please give the uninformed masses the thread we don't know we want. 0
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''It's perfectly possible that, in order to maintain party unity, he will tack toward some of the elements of the Brown/Miliband era.''
If you are correct then that will be a huge disappointment to those who are backing him. But as you say, we will see.0 -
I think "Let's split Poland between us; nobody will do anything about it" is also a contender.watford30 said:
Well, that depends how many have already upped sticks and are on their way.Big_G_NorthWales said:I heard that Baghdad has accepted Germany's kind offer of citizenship and the population are on their way. May be far fetched but what on earth has Merkel done and at what point will she be forced to retract and how can she retract.
1 million? 10 million?
'Ach, but you kant come here, I only zaid 800,000'
Merkel's probably made one of the worst decisions and announcements by a European politician, ever.
Also by a German as it happens. Arrogance is a feature, not a bug.
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Figures from the House of Commons Library show that between 1979 and [2011], the average time between an MP's death and the subsequent by-election - or general election in cases where there was no by-election - has been 73 days.RodCrosby said:
I wrote most of that myself, and forgot about 2010!Sunil_Prasannan said:
According to Wiki:RodCrosby said:
But realistically about a month for something to "happen" which results in a 2015 by-election...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Still over three months to go...RodCrosby said:
Looks like 2015 will join 1992 and 1998 as the only years in history without a by-election...isam said:
Wouldn't have thought so in the little by elections... No one bothers voting in them Except die hards do they? I'd have thought a Westminster by election would see them doing well thoughtaffys said:I thought that was a photo of a Danish motorway at first
Do you think the Syria/immigration crisis will perk up UKIP's electoral fortunes?
Longest period without a by-election[edit]
All periods of over a year between by-elections are listed:
20 November 1997 - 10 June 1999: 567 days
7 November 1991 - 6 May 1993: 546 days
12 March 1987 - 14 July 1988: 489 days
14 February 2002 - 18 June 2003: 489 days
12 November 2009 - 13 January 2011: 427 days
23 May 1974 - 26 June 1975: 399 days
18 June 2003 - 15 July 2004: 393 days
29 June 2006 - 19 July 2007: 385 days
1992, 1998 and 2010 are the only calendar years in history without a single by-election. Since 1992 and 2010 were nonetheless general election years, 1998 stands as the only year in British history without any parliamentary election.
Must be brain-softening...
In Feltham and Heston it was 35 days, making it the third 'quickest' by election in 33 years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-162142430 -
I have a feeling we'll all be disappointed at how relatively 'normal' polling is, with Tory leads for a bit, Labour then getting decent (but not necessarily high enough for an opposition) leads, which if are not decent enough will lead possibly to an ousting.RobD said:What's the betting on a Tory 50% poll in this parliament? One can dream.....
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