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This poll shows little difference between Scotland and England.HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref0 -
Survation voting intention
Conservative 38%
Labour 32%
UKIP 13%
LD 6%
Green 4%
https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb0 -
I thought it was because there was a Scot Nat who used to post from Stockholm and was therefore dismissed by the PB Tories for being a Swede.EPG said:
I always assumed it was connected to the Turnip Taliban incident pre-GE 2010, i.e. PB Tory inside joke.The_Apocalypse said:
It's an insult that I've only ever seen on PB though (unless cybernats on Twitter are using turnip as an insult too). And sometimes it's been used outside of the context of Scottish nationalism.MattW said:
I thought turnip was a cybernat insult on Unionists or English.The_Apocalypse said:I think Cable's right, although it does appear some Conservative MPs are having doubts about Osborne's electability. In the end though, I can see Boris' lack of networking, costing him the leadership. Osborne has essentially spent the last couple of years building up a network of supporters - a lot of the up-and-coming Conservative MPs are Osbornites (Perry, Hancock, Hands, Javid etc). While Osborne can be caricatured as cunning, or mean you can still take him seriously. Boris, on the other-hand is the exact opposite case.
Personally, I think Thersea May would be a far better choice than either of those two.
And FPT, sorry I missed your post @CarlottaValance. I find the use of 'turnip' as an insult quite strange. It's a part of the odd PB vocabulary. Also thanks to the PBers who gave me messages of support. I feel slightly less awkward now....
I'll get my coat...0 -
The Independent on Sunday stating millions more to leave as ISIS cut off road and The Observer completely out of touch with the survation poll. Think the left has this wrong yet again0
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Honestly, will nothing boost the LDs?HYUFD said:Survation voting intention
Conservative 38%
Labour 32%
UKIP 13%
LD 6%
Green 4%
https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb0 -
Bonus!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref0 -
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:0 -
Charley Hoffman's is playing his ass off, and there's no reason for that either. McIlroy isn't doing that well, but that's just rust from being off.MikeK said:Jordan Spieth in meltdown, and there doesn't seem to be a reason for it.
Jordan's just having a bad couple of weeks. I'll give him some tips at East Lake
Prior to Tiger it was accepted that pro golfers had good and bad spells.
It's looking like the replacement for Tiger is some combination of Day, Spieth, Fowler, McIlroy
You made me stop watching the Chic-fil-a Kickoff Classic to go check out the golf!!!!!0 -
Wings over Stockholm?Charles said:
I thought it was because there was a Scot Nat who used to post from Stockholm and was therefore dismissed by the PB Tories for being a Swede.EPG said:
I always assumed it was connected to the Turnip Taliban incident pre-GE 2010, i.e. PB Tory inside joke.The_Apocalypse said:
It's an insult that I've only ever seen on PB though (unless cybernats on Twitter are using turnip as an insult too). And sometimes it's been used outside of the context of Scottish nationalism.
I'll get my coat...
The amount of times the T word has been mentioned, I'm surprised malcolm hasn't turned up0 -
Haven't the numbers been growing rapidly? So definitely a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc. In any case it will take longer than a week to get from Afghanistan or Syria to Hungary by their methods.Charles said:
In the NYTimes today there was an interesting stat.JEO said:BBC News is showing the next wave of migrants turning up in Hungary. If I was a Middle Easterner or African watching this footage, I think I'd be seriously considering making the trip (although probably via the overland route.) There's a billion people in Africa. If just 1% makes the trip, then that's 10 million turning up next year. But there must be a point when even Germany says 'enough', surely? What happens then?
Earlier this month 2,000 a week were turning up at the Hungarian border.
This week, after Merkel's announcement, it was 3,000.
I know there's a risk of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, but it's an interesting stat that would suggest that the view that Merkel's statement will increase the number of migrants has some basis in fact
Similarly, continental winter will come, people will stop coming because the journey would be lethal, and we will hear that the migrant crisis has been "solved". That will just be post hoc too.0 -
That VI isn't that awful for Labour, given recent events.HYUFD said:Survation voting intention
Conservative 38%
Labour 32%
UKIP 13%
LD 6%
Green 4%
https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb
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If you could end Labour dominance of the NE and urban centres, South Wales, and SNP dominance in Scotland, that would be good too, I'm not a fan of dominance (though since the SNP are only recently dominant, I suppose it's fair they continue on for a time)Charles said:0 -
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Indeed, scores basically the same as General Election except a slight 2% shift from the LDs to LabourThe_Apocalypse said:
That VI isn't that awful for Labour, given recent events.HYUFD said:Survation voting intention
Conservative 38%
Labour 32%
UKIP 13%
LD 6%
Green 4%
https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb0 -
This is a much better story...Charles said:
I thought it was because there was a Scot Nat who used to post from Stockholm and was therefore dismissed by the PB Tories for being a Swede.EPG said:
I always assumed it was connected to the Turnip Taliban incident pre-GE 2010, i.e. PB Tory inside joke.The_Apocalypse said:
It's an insult that I've only ever seen on PB though (unless cybernats on Twitter are using turnip as an insult too). And sometimes it's been used outside of the context of Scottish nationalism.MattW said:
I thought turnip was a cybernat insult on Unionists or English.The_Apocalypse said:I think Cable's right, although it does appear some Conservative MPs are having doubts about Osborne's electability. In the end though, I can see Boris' lack of networking, costing him the leadership. Osborne has essentially spent the last couple of years building up a network of supporters - a lot of the up-and-coming Conservative MPs are Osbornites (Perry, Hancock, Hands, Javid etc). While Osborne can be caricatured as cunning, or mean you can still take him seriously. Boris, on the other-hand is the exact opposite case.
Personally, I think Thersea May would be a far better choice than either of those two.
And FPT, sorry I missed your post @CarlottaValance. I find the use of 'turnip' as an insult quite strange. It's a part of the odd PB vocabulary. Also thanks to the PBers who gave me messages of support. I feel slightly less awkward now....
I'll get my coat...0 -
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In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:0 -
The brand is still toxic at the moment it seemskle4 said:
Honestly, will nothing boost the LDs?HYUFD said:Survation voting intention
Conservative 38%
Labour 32%
UKIP 13%
LD 6%
Green 4%
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They have done nothing since the election of Farron to attract much attention.kle4 said:
Honestly, will nothing boost the LDs?HYUFD said:Survation voting intention
Conservative 38%
Labour 32%
UKIP 13%
LD 6%
Green 4%
https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb
Probably it will take a mixture of Corbyn and beneficial by-election results (Richmond Park) to get attention back.0 -
Yes, but Sturgeon has made clear EU exit would be a 'change in circumstances' which could trigger indyref2RobD said:
The English could do anything, and that would be used as justification by the SNP for another indyref!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref0 -
If we look at euro matters, Germany already gets its way despite the absence of the UK, Sweden or Denmark. Germany and France are the only countries that particularly care to project a policy direction on the EU, and Germany is larger and a more credible partner due to the extreme homogeneity and conservatism of its political elite, rendering elections almost irrelevant.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:0 -
I'm sure it will want us to say, but will they conclude they can give us next to nothing and still have us stay? Probably they will, and possibly they will be right.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
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Like the Tour de France then.kle4 said:
Just a really long cycle perhaps?Charles said:
Still not convinced that something which lasts 120 years is a "bubble"!kle4 said:
I guess the transition would be from total dominance to largest but not quite as dominant.Charles said:
"Transitory"?PClipp said:
Nowhere has the type of salaries to match the City, Mr HYUFD. Likewise overpriced property which they can flog off to gullible foreigners. This is why incomers are so strongly disliked by the original inhabitants, and why the Tory dominance in rural England has to be a transitory bubble.HYUFD said:Dorset has always attracted wealthy retirees from the South East and Sandbanks could match Surrey in terms of wealth and house prices, however many of the locals in Dorset still have relatively low wages and work in tourism, the service sector or agriculture and do not have the type of salaries to match the City
A transition that's lasted over 120 years (since Hartington and his friends shifted split from Gladstone)0 -
The big news is that just 8% want more than 10,000 Syrian refugees to come to the UK.
That's about the same number who've arrived in Germany in the last few days.0 -
Absolutely impossible to predict the referendum - the migrant crisis is a game changer involving every EU Country and much angst throughoutkle4 said:
I'm sure it will want us to say, but will they conclude they can give us next to nothing and still have us stay? Probably they will, and possibly they will be right.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:0 -
The Lib Dems may have been inversely-decimated but they still have a presence in the cultural referents of members of parliament:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/05/corbyn-supporters-mps-party-members-labour-election
- One shadow minister said he had written his resignation letter and said he planned to “act like a Lib Dem for the next five years”. “I will stay in my constituency, make myself useful, pick up dog [...] and stay away from Westminster. What is the point of going there?” he said.0 -
Sorry about that. I'll try not to mention golf again this evening.Tim_B said:
Charley Hoffman's is playing his ass off, and there's no reason for that either. McIlroy isn't doing that well, but that's just rust from being off.MikeK said:Jordan Spieth in meltdown, and there doesn't seem to be a reason for it.
Jordan's just having a bad couple of weeks. I'll give him some tips at East Lake
Prior to Tiger it was accepted that pro golfers had good and bad spells.
It's looking like the replacement for Tiger is some combination of Day, Spieth, Fowler, McIlroy
You made me stop watching the Chic-fil-a Kickoff Classic to go check out the golf!!!!!0 -
Bluntly, I think we need to build a new Berlin Wall across the Balkans, or turn back the boats.Charles said:
In the NYTimes today there was an interesting stat.JEO said:BBC News is showing the next wave of migrants turning up in Hungary. If I was a Middle Easterner or African watching this footage, I think I'd be seriously considering making the trip (although probably via the overland route.) There's a billion people in Africa. If just 1% makes the trip, then that's 10 million turning up next year. But there must be a point when even Germany says 'enough', surely? What happens then?
Earlier this month 2,000 a week were turning up at the Hungarian border.
This week, after Merkel's announcement, it was 3,000.
I know there's a risk of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, but it's an interesting stat that would suggest that the view that Merkel's statement will increase the number of migrants has some basis in fact0 -
Looking at the details of the poll, London, Scotland and Wales would vote to remain, the Midlands, the North and the South to leave.Sean_F said:
This poll shows little difference between Scotland and England.HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
Ironically though SNP voters would narrowly vote Out, alongside Tory voters and an overwhelming majority of UKIP voters. Labour, LD, Green and Plaid voters would vote to stay In
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf
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They've nothing left to offer us.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
Stay in the EU and take several hundred thousand asylum seekers.0 -
Given that Serbia isn't in the EU, I wonder why the Hungarian border was undermarcated until recently.Sean_F said:
Bluntly, I think we need to build a new Berlin Wall across the Balkans, or turn back the boats.Charles said:
In the NYTimes today there was an interesting stat.JEO said:BBC News is showing the next wave of migrants turning up in Hungary. If I was a Middle Easterner or African watching this footage, I think I'd be seriously considering making the trip (although probably via the overland route.) There's a billion people in Africa. If just 1% makes the trip, then that's 10 million turning up next year. But there must be a point when even Germany says 'enough', surely? What happens then?
Earlier this month 2,000 a week were turning up at the Hungarian border.
This week, after Merkel's announcement, it was 3,000.
I know there's a risk of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, but it's an interesting stat that would suggest that the view that Merkel's statement will increase the number of migrants has some basis in fact0 -
Please do mention it, I've been having difficulty sleeping lately and could use the help.MikeK said:
Sorry about that. I'll try not to mention golf again this evening.Tim_B said:
Charley Hoffman's is playing his ass off, and there's no reason for that either. McIlroy isn't doing that well, but that's just rust from being off.MikeK said:Jordan Spieth in meltdown, and there doesn't seem to be a reason for it.
Jordan's just having a bad couple of weeks. I'll give him some tips at East Lake
Prior to Tiger it was accepted that pro golfers had good and bad spells.
It's looking like the replacement for Tiger is some combination of Day, Spieth, Fowler, McIlroy
You made me stop watching the Chic-fil-a Kickoff Classic to go check out the golf!!!!!0 -
Just like the Scottish referendumkle4 said:
I'm sure it will want us to say, but will they conclude they can give us next to nothing and still have us stay? Probably they will, and possibly they will be right.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
They will give Britain nothing
Britain will vote to stay in
Then moan0 -
There are some questions on the Labour leadership at the end of the Survation poll
Who would be best to lead Labour into the next general election?
Burnham 20.3%
Corbyn 18.8%
Cooper 14.9%
Kendall 7.2%
Which of these 3 politicians would make the best leader of the Labour Party?
Chuka Umunna 10.6%
Jeremy Corbyn 20.7%
David Miliband 27.5%
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf (see pages 28 and 30)0 -
No need to restrain yourself - Auburn is beating up on Louisville 24-0 only 3 minutes into the third quarter, so I'll stay with the golf. Feel free to opineMikeK said:
Sorry about that. I'll try not to mention golf again this evening.Tim_B said:
Charley Hoffman's is playing his ass off, and there's no reason for that either. McIlroy isn't doing that well, but that's just rust from being off.MikeK said:Jordan Spieth in meltdown, and there doesn't seem to be a reason for it.
Jordan's just having a bad couple of weeks. I'll give him some tips at East Lake
Prior to Tiger it was accepted that pro golfers had good and bad spells.
It's looking like the replacement for Tiger is some combination of Day, Spieth, Fowler, McIlroy
You made me stop watching the Chic-fil-a Kickoff Classic to go check out the golf!!!!!
Like the man said, Spieth is trying too hard. Looks like he'll miss the cut.0 -
Funny when Trump says that about America/Mexico he's viewed to be absolutely crackers ... but then so many now say that as eminently sensible here.Sean_F said:
Bluntly, I think we need to build a new Berlin Wall across the Balkans, or turn back the boats.Charles said:
In the NYTimes today there was an interesting stat.JEO said:BBC News is showing the next wave of migrants turning up in Hungary. If I was a Middle Easterner or African watching this footage, I think I'd be seriously considering making the trip (although probably via the overland route.) There's a billion people in Africa. If just 1% makes the trip, then that's 10 million turning up next year. But there must be a point when even Germany says 'enough', surely? What happens then?
Earlier this month 2,000 a week were turning up at the Hungarian border.
This week, after Merkel's announcement, it was 3,000.
I know there's a risk of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, but it's an interesting stat that would suggest that the view that Merkel's statement will increase the number of migrants has some basis in fact0 -
Naught but Blairite Propaganda!HYUFD said:There are some questions on the Labour leadership at the end of the Survation poll
Who would be best to lead Labour into the next general election?
Burnham 20.3%
Corbyn 18.8%
Cooper 14.9%
Kendall 7.2%
Which of these 3 politicians would make the best leader of the Labour Party?
Chuka Umunna 10.6%
Jeremy Corbyn 20.7%
David Miliband 27.5%
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf (see pages 28 and 30)
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Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait 0 -
I managed India, Switzerland, France and the US during calendar year 2010, but that is highly impressive!Charles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait0 -
Interestingly Burnham leads Corbyn by 19.6% to 18% in England and perhaps surprisingly by 31.3% to 19.7% in Scotland. However, Corbyn leads Burnham in Wales by 30.7% to 13%
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf (see p28)0 -
Nothing like arriving back at Heathrow after time away!Charles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait0 -
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking longer than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY. 0 -
At the risk of upsetting the Kippers, I wonder if this surge for OUT has been partly caused by Farage's low profile since the election (just the same as people thought the previous drop in Euroscepticism was caused by people not wanting to be associated with him).0
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By the time we vote to leave (if we do) we will already have received a considerable number. And negotiations will take time .....Sean_F said:
They've nothing left to offer us.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
Stay in the EU and take several hundred thousand asylum seekers.
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Maybe, but it cannot go on directing things entirely its own way under QMV and German voters are already getting fed up with carrying most of the tab for the EU, losing the UK would mean they had to bear an even larger burdenEPG said:
If we look at euro matters, Germany already gets its way despite the absence of the UK, Sweden or Denmark. Germany and France are the only countries that particularly care to project a policy direction on the EU, and Germany is larger and a more credible partner due to the extreme homogeneity and conservatism of its political elite, rendering elections almost irrelevant.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:0 -
No we can veto any number, we have an unambiguous opt-out. The only pressure is for us to volunteer to take some in the hope that we'll get a better deal as a quid pro quo, like how Blair pathetically gave up some of our rebate on a hope to reform CAP (but without any actual deal so it never happened). If we've voted to leave we'll just do whatever we want as far as this is concerned.AnneJGP said:
By the time we vote to leave (if we do) we will already have received a considerable number. And negotiations will take time .....Sean_F said:
They've nothing left to offer us.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
Stay in the EU and take several hundred thousand asylum seekers.0 -
In the end I don't think we will take a large numberSean_F said:
They've nothing left to offer us.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
Stay in the EU and take several hundred thousand asylum seekers.0 -
Yes the "leave" campaign will be taking note and at present wishing to turn this into a " this is the only way we can protect our borders" campaign. Thing is they're right, and for all the pontificating of German commentators ( e.g. the correspondent of Die Welt on Sky news this lunchtime) it seems to be the case that British and German public views are a long way apart on this issue, and Merkel's open doing policy combined with a demand we all share the burden of her decision this week has been a gift to "leave".Sean_F said:
They've nothing left to offer us.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
Stay in the EU and take several hundred thousand asylum seekers.
I'd still expect "stay" to win but I think it's getting squeakier bum time and I for one am more skeptical about staying than I was. I'm sorry, but like them though I do, and visited the place hundreds of times as I have, and wonderful though I think their economy is, and no matter how right they were about the Greeks ( where I expressed my support), I'm buggered if I'm not very uneasy about a German Chancellor presuming she can tell us what to do ( no matter how benign her intentions).0 -
There will have to be at least some offer, though I can's see Juncker and Merkel quite doing 'the Vow' in the same way Brown and Cameron didEPG said:
Just like the Scottish referendumkle4 said:
I'm sure it will want us to say, but will they conclude they can give us next to nothing and still have us stay? Probably they will, and possibly they will be right.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
They will give Britain nothing
Britain will vote to stay in
Then moan0 -
Illegal immigration from Mexico to the US has now slowed to a trickle. Thanks to both very hardline border policies and the aging of the Mexican population.Philip_Thompson said:
Funny when Trump says that about America/Mexico he's viewed to be absolutely crackers ... but then so many now say that as eminently sensible here.Sean_F said:
Bluntly, I think we need to build a new Berlin Wall across the Balkans, or turn back the boats.Charles said:
In the NYTimes today there was an interesting stat.JEO said:BBC News is showing the next wave of migrants turning up in Hungary. If I was a Middle Easterner or African watching this footage, I think I'd be seriously considering making the trip (although probably via the overland route.) There's a billion people in Africa. If just 1% makes the trip, then that's 10 million turning up next year. But there must be a point when even Germany says 'enough', surely? What happens then?
Earlier this month 2,000 a week were turning up at the Hungarian border.
This week, after Merkel's announcement, it was 3,000.
I know there's a risk of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, but it's an interesting stat that would suggest that the view that Merkel's statement will increase the number of migrants has some basis in fact0 -
It is a consistent trend though in all polling, Burnham does best of the 4 candidates, but David Miliband would do better than BurnhamSunil_Prasannan said:
Naught but Blairite Propaganda!HYUFD said:There are some questions on the Labour leadership at the end of the Survation poll
Who would be best to lead Labour into the next general election?
Burnham 20.3%
Corbyn 18.8%
Cooper 14.9%
Kendall 7.2%
Which of these 3 politicians would make the best leader of the Labour Party?
Chuka Umunna 10.6%
Jeremy Corbyn 20.7%
David Miliband 27.5%
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf (see pages 28 and 30)0 -
- except leaving it to come home!RobD said:
Nothing like arriving back at Heathrow after time away!Charles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait0 -
The BBC's paper reviewers falling over themselves to rubbish the poll showing No on 51% for the EU referendum.0
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Wouldn't mean anything if they did. It's been shown time & again that gentlemen's agreements mean nothing in the EU.HYUFD said:
There will have to be at least some offer, though I can's see Juncker and Merkel quite doing 'the Vow' in the same way Brown and Cameron didEPG said:
Just like the Scottish referendumkle4 said:
I'm sure it will want us to say, but will they conclude they can give us next to nothing and still have us stay? Probably they will, and possibly they will be right.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
They will give Britain nothing
Britain will vote to stay in
Then moan0 -
I didn't realise Lansing was the state capital til I got there!Tim_B said:
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking longer than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY.
I wander a lot, and fast - trying at the moment to duck out of trips to India and Taiwan in October...
Life would be so much easier if I had a private jet!0 -
It depends if a majority of EU leaders agreed to any reformsAnneJGP said:
Wouldn't mean anything if they did. It's been shown time & again that gentlemen's agreements mean nothing in the EU.HYUFD said:
There will have to be at least some offer, though I can's see Juncker and Merkel quite doing 'the Vow' in the same way Brown and Cameron didEPG said:
Just like the Scottish referendumkle4 said:
I'm sure it will want us to say, but will they conclude they can give us next to nothing and still have us stay? Probably they will, and possibly they will be right.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
They will give Britain nothing
Britain will vote to stay in
Then moan0 -
I come back from a night out to see that OUT is leading thanks to the immigration crisis and the Anyone But Corbyn camp in general disarray once more:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/05/labour-liz-kendall-vote-for-yvette-cooper-get-jeremy-corbyn
Make your minds up, yesterday according to the ABC's, Cooper was brilliant and Burnham was trash, today they flipped once more.0 -
Swap Scotland for the North, and that's Labour's maximum possible vote in 2020.HYUFD said:
Looking at the details of the poll, London, Scotland and Wales would vote to remain, the Midlands, the North and the South to leave.Sean_F said:
This poll shows little difference between Scotland and England.HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
Ironically though SNP voters would narrowly vote Out, alongside Tory voters and an overwhelming majority of UKIP voters. Labour, LD, Green and Plaid voters would vote to stay In
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf0 -
Whoops. Many of the those replying to this Tweet about the Survation poll have assumed the poll is a survey of Mail readers only. They're then informed it's actually of the public as a whole.
twitter.com/suttonnick/status/6402631880476262410 -
If an independent Scotland were to join the EU it would have to join Schengen, right? Which would take it out of the CTA and require passport controls on the border?HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref0 -
Hardly surprising, since Parliament went into recess almost immediately after the Lib Dem leader election. And the media has been totally taken up with the Labour internal elections, and now the migration crisis.EPG said:
They have done nothing since the election of Farron to attract much attention. Probably it will take a mixture of Corbyn and beneficial by-election results (Richmond Park) to get attention back.kle4 said:Honestly, will nothing boost the LDs?
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Sturgeon does not have the authority to call Indy Ref 2.HYUFD said:
Yes, but Sturgeon has made clear EU exit would be a 'change in circumstances' which could trigger indyref2RobD said:
The English could do anything, and that would be used as justification by the SNP for another indyref!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
All she can do is run a big opinion poll without the say so of the UK Government.
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Why, oh why, haven't they invented the teleport yet? On the other hand, perhaps there would be a downside.Charles said:
I didn't realise Lansing was the state capital til I got there!Tim_B said:
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking longer than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY.
I wander a lot, and fast - trying at the moment to duck out of trips to India and Taiwan in October...
Life would be so much easier if I had a private jet!
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbckWJyqhgCharles said:
I didn't realise Lansing was the state capital til I got there!Tim_B said:
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking longer than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY.
I wander a lot, and fast - trying at the moment to duck out of trips to India and Taiwan in October...
Life would be so much easier if I had a private jet!0 -
Although in the unlikely event of a Labour victory the Midlands would also goMattW said:
Swap Scotland for the North, and that's Labour's maximum possible vote in 2020.HYUFD said:
Looking at the details of the poll, London, Scotland and Wales would vote to remain, the Midlands, the North and the South to leave.Sean_F said:
This poll shows little difference between Scotland and England.HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
Ironically though SNP voters would narrowly vote Out, alongside Tory voters and an overwhelming majority of UKIP voters. Labour, LD, Green and Plaid voters would vote to stay In
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf0 -
Presumably. Hadrian's Wall for the 21st Century. And the Euro too one supposes is a prerequisite.ThreeQuidder said:
If an independent Scotland were to join the EU it would have to join Schengen, right? Which would take it out of the CTA and require passport controls on the border?HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
Still I personally could claim both passports so it'd be a laugh as I crossed from my country to my country.0 -
If the UK votes to quit the EU though she will demand Scotland be allowed to stay in the EU regardless of whether the rUK leaves or notMattW said:
Sturgeon does not have the authority to call Indy Ref 2.HYUFD said:
Yes, but Sturgeon has made clear EU exit would be a 'change in circumstances' which could trigger indyref2RobD said:
The English could do anything, and that would be used as justification by the SNP for another indyref!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
All she can do is run a big opinion poll without the say so of the UK Government.0 -
Labour is only up 0.8 % to 32%HYUFD said:
Indeed, scores basically the same as General Election except a slight 2% shift from the LDs to LabourThe_Apocalypse said:
That VI isn't that awful for Labour, given recent events.HYUFD said:Survation voting intention
Conservative 38%
Labour 32%
UKIP 13%
LD 6%
Green 4%
https://twitter.com/britainelects?lang=en-gb0 -
Only 1.4 cities per day. Pah!Tim_B said:
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking longer than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY.0 -
I presume so, yes, we would have border checks at Hadrian's WallThreeQuidder said:
If an independent Scotland were to join the EU it would have to join Schengen, right? Which would take it out of the CTA and require passport controls on the border?HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref0 -
A few months ago the Twittersphere got it completely wrong on Ed Miliband. You'd think they might have learned their lesson, but instead they're doing exactly the same thing again with regard to British opinion on Syrian refugees,0
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ISTR that was only if Scotland voted to stay whilst rUK voted to leave. Presumably if Scotland votes out, no problem.HYUFD said:
If the UK votes to quit the EU though she will demand Scotland be allowed to stay in the EU regardless of whether the rUK leaves or notMattW said:
Sturgeon does not have the authority to call Indy Ref 2.HYUFD said:
Yes, but Sturgeon has made clear EU exit would be a 'change in circumstances' which could trigger indyref2RobD said:
The English could do anything, and that would be used as justification by the SNP for another indyref!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
All she can do is run a big opinion poll without the say so of the UK Government.0 -
Yep. Think refugees with a teleport. Or worse, ISIS.AnneJGP said:
Why, oh why, haven't they invented the teleport yet? On the other hand, perhaps there would be a downside.Charles said:
I didn't realise Lansing was the state capital til I got there!Tim_B said:
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking lonYepger than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY.
I wander a lot, and fast - trying at the moment to duck out of trips to India and Taiwan in October...
Life would be so much easier if I had a private jet!0 -
To be honest there are plenty of countries ahead of Scotland that are committed by treaty to join the Euro but have chosen not to and are making it clear they have no intention to for the foreseeable future. And I have serious doubts that Schengen will exist this time next year let alone by the time Scotland gets Independence.welshowl said:
Presumably. Hadrian's Wall for the 21st Century. And the Euro too one supposes is a prerequisite.ThreeQuidder said:
If an independent Scotland were to join the EU it would have to join Schengen, right? Which would take it out of the CTA and require passport controls on the border?HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
Still I personally could claim both passports so it'd be a laugh as I crossed from my country to my country.0 -
Maybe. She can demand all kinds of things, for example that they could keep the pound with no consequences, or any of the other varied fantasies tehy put forward last time.HYUFD said:
If the UK votes to quit the EU though she will demand Scotland be allowed to stay in the EU regardless of whether the rUK leaves or notMattW said:
Sturgeon does not have the authority to call Indy Ref 2.HYUFD said:
Yes, but Sturgeon has made clear EU exit would be a 'change in circumstances' which could trigger indyref2RobD said:
The English could do anything, and that would be used as justification by the SNP for another indyref!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
All she can do is run a big opinion poll without the say so of the UK Government.
But how long will that all take and will the dog's breakfast the SNP are making of Scotland have come home t o roost yet?
You can only starve your education and health systems of resources for so long before the people notice.0 -
I was going to ask why - in a list of cities - NJ and NY appear... Did he visit NYC, Albany? Likewise in NJ - Piscataway, Cherry Hill?MTimT said:
Only 1.4 cities per day. Pah!Tim_B said:
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking longer than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY.
RG3 stays as a backup - with his contract?0 -
Indeed, the Head of the Kendall campaign has said he has given his second vote to Burnham. "According to Burnham’s canvassing data – involving responses from the 80,494 people eligible to vote – the percentage of his voters who have, or will, put Corbyn down as a second preference has risen in recent weeks from 28% to 51%.Speedy said:I come back from a night out to see that OUT is leading thanks to the immigration crisis and the Anyone But Corbyn camp in general disarray once more:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/05/labour-liz-kendall-vote-for-yvette-cooper-get-jeremy-corbyn
Make your minds up, yesterday according to the ABC's, Cooper was brilliant and Burnham was trash, today they flipped once more.
Only 30% of Burnham’s second preferences would go to Cooper if he came third, it is claimed."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/05/labour-liz-kendall-vote-for-yvette-cooper-get-jeremy-corbyn0 -
Indeed, but it does not seem to be being noticed much at the momentMattW said:
Maybe.HYUFD said:
If the UK votes to quit the EU though she will demand Scotland be allowed to stay in the EU regardless of whether the rUK leaves or notMattW said:
Sturgeon does not have the authority to call Indy Ref 2.HYUFD said:
Yes, but Sturgeon has made clear EU exit would be a 'change in circumstances' which could trigger indyref2RobD said:
The English could do anything, and that would be used as justification by the SNP for another indyref!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
All she can do is run a big opinion poll without the say so of the UK Government.
But how long will that take and will the dog's breakfast the SNP are making of Scotland have come home t o roost yet?
You can only starve your education and health systems of resources for so long before the people notice.0 -
Ouch! This has got to hurt the Dems, and Hillary's campaign in particular:
"In an election for President of the United States, today, Labor Day, business provocateur Donald Trump narrowly defeats Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Al Gore, in head-to-head matchups, according to nationwide polling conducted by SurveyUSA.
"Today it's:
* Trump 45%, Clinton 40%. (There is a 20-point Gender Gap; Trump leads by 18 points among seniors.)
* Trump 44%, Sanders 40%. (Trump leads by 10 among independents and by 6 among moderates.)
* Trump 44%, Biden 42%. (Trump leads by 10 among the best educated; Biden leads by 17 among the least educated.)
* Trump 44%, Gore 41%. (Trump leads by 12 among men and by 18 among voters age 50+.)
Among a subset of registered voters who tell SurveyUSA that they pay "a lot" of attention to politics, the scale tilts to the right: Today it's:
* Trump 54%, Clinton 36%.
* Trump 53%, Sanders 39%.
* Trump 53%, Biden 37%.
* Trump 54%, Gore 36%. "
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Tim_B said:
I was going to ask why - in a list of cities - NJ and NY appear... Did he visit NYC, Albany? Likewise in NJ - Piscataway, Cherry Hill?MTimT said:
Only 1.4 cities per day. Pah!Tim_B said:
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking longer than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY.
RG3 stays as a backup - with his contract?
The RG3 situation is beyond comprehension at this stage0 -
A good poll for Trump, which will also help make his chances of the nomination almost unstoppable if consistent, but it is only 1 poll. PPP just 2 days ago had both Clinton and Biden beating TrumpMTimT said:Ouch! This has got to hurt the Dems, and Hillary's campaign in particular:
"In an election for President of the United States, today, Labor Day, business provocateur Donald Trump narrowly defeats Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Al Gore, in head-to-head matchups, according to nationwide polling conducted by SurveyUSA.
"Today it's:
* Trump 45%, Clinton 40%. (There is a 20-point Gender Gap; Trump leads by 18 points among seniors.)
* Trump 44%, Sanders 40%. (Trump leads by 10 among independents and by 6 among moderates.)
* Trump 44%, Biden 42%. (Trump leads by 10 among the best educated; Biden leads by 17 among the least educated.)
* Trump 44%, Gore 41%. (Trump leads by 12 among men and by 18 among voters age 50+.)
Among a subset of registered voters who tell SurveyUSA that they pay "a lot" of attention to politics, the scale tilts to the right: Today it's:
* Trump 54%, Clinton 36%.
* Trump 53%, Sanders 39%.
* Trump 53%, Biden 37%.
* Trump 54%, Gore 36%. "0 -
Your estimate of the answer to my question?HYUFD said:
Indeed, but it does not seem to be being noticed much at the momentMattW said:
Maybe.HYUFD said:
If the UK votes to quit the EU though she will demand Scotland be allowed to stay in the EU regardless of whether the rUK leaves or notMattW said:
Sturgeon does not have the authority to call Indy Ref 2.HYUFD said:
Yes, but Sturgeon has made clear EU exit would be a 'change in circumstances' which could trigger indyref2RobD said:
The English could do anything, and that would be used as justification by the SNP for another indyref!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
All she can do is run a big opinion poll without the say so of the UK Government.
But how long will that take and will the dog's breakfast the SNP are making of Scotland have come home t o roost yet?
You can only starve your education and health systems of resources for so long before the people notice.0 -
Brilliant this multicultural Britain,we have the Roma over the road from us playing they music top of the sound can go,singing along drunk.
The same house months back a white British couple were forced to move because the boyfriend got beat up by a racist Asian gang.
Just brilliant.0 -
Based on Quebec's experience, 15-20 yearsMattW said:
Your estimate of the answer to my question?HYUFD said:
Indeed, but it does not seem to be being noticed much at the momentMattW said:
Maybe.HYUFD said:
If the UK votes to quit the EU though she will demand Scotland be allowed to stay in the EU regardless of whether the rUK leaves or notMattW said:
Sturgeon does not have the authority to call Indy Ref 2.HYUFD said:
Yes, but Sturgeon has made clear EU exit would be a 'change in circumstances' which could trigger indyref2RobD said:
The English could do anything, and that would be used as justification by the SNP for another indyref!HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
All she can do is run a big opinion poll without the say so of the UK Government.
But how long will that take and will the dog's breakfast the SNP are making of Scotland have come home t o roost yet?
You can only starve your education and health systems of resources for so long before the people notice.0 -
Indeed on Schengen, and yes I think Sweden was supposed to be committed to sign up to the Euro but have voted no twice ( I think ) so you're right of course. In theory though for all the bollocks the Nats come out with about keeping Sterling they'd probably be caught between a theoretical Euro accession and a non English sanctioned use of the Pound ( or their own currency ).Richard_Tyndall said:
To be honest there are plenty of countries ahead of Scotland that are committed by treaty to join the Euro but have chosen not to and are making it clear they have no intention to for the foreseeable future. And I have serious doubts that Schengen will exist this time next year let alone by the time Scotland gets Independence.welshowl said:
Presumably. Hadrian's Wall for the 21st Century. And the Euro too one supposes is a prerequisite.ThreeQuidder said:
If an independent Scotland were to join the EU it would have to join Schengen, right? Which would take it out of the CTA and require passport controls on the border?HYUFD said:
Well if we do leave the EU we will certainly lose Scotland this time, but it will be the rest of the UK who will have kicked them out by default, knowing that voting to quit the EU means losing our northern neighbours too (Scotland almost certainly voting Yes)TheScreamingEagles said:The survation poll data tables
http://bit.ly/1EIbwaH
Keep calm bitches, this time last year (well technically tomorrow) we had a poll with Yes ahead in the Indyref
Still I personally could claim both passports so it'd be a laugh as I crossed from my country to my country.0 -
My bet is that Dan Snyder wants to keep him and nobody else wants anything to do with him. With his contract they can't trade him at that price, my bet is that once he's finished the concussion protocol they'll cut him.MTimT said:Tim_B said:
I was going to ask why - in a list of cities - NJ and NY appear... Did he visit NYC, Albany? Likewise in NJ - Piscataway, Cherry Hill?MTimT said:
Only 1.4 cities per day. Pah!Tim_B said:
I've not been to Lansing, but have been to all the others, probably taking longer than youCharles said:Home tomorrow after a ludicrous wander, even by my standards.
In 10 days: Frankfurt, Paris, Brussels, Philadelphia, Raleigh, Greensboro, Chicago, Lansing, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Kansas City, New Jersey, Indianapolis and New York.
Can't wait Lived in NJ and NY.
RG3 stays as a backup - with his contract?
The RG3 situation is beyond comprehension at this stage
I saw today that Dallas are talking to Cleveland, but fortunately not about Johnny Football, but an RB.0 -
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I can't believe Americans are seriously going to vote for Trump as POTUS.MTimT said:Ouch! This has got to hurt the Dems, and Hillary's campaign in particular:
"In an election for President of the United States, today, Labor Day, business provocateur Donald Trump narrowly defeats Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Al Gore, in head-to-head matchups, according to nationwide polling conducted by SurveyUSA.
"Today it's:
* Trump 45%, Clinton 40%. (There is a 20-point Gender Gap; Trump leads by 18 points among seniors.)
* Trump 44%, Sanders 40%. (Trump leads by 10 among independents and by 6 among moderates.)
* Trump 44%, Biden 42%. (Trump leads by 10 among the best educated; Biden leads by 17 among the least educated.)
* Trump 44%, Gore 41%. (Trump leads by 12 among men and by 18 among voters age 50+.)
Among a subset of registered voters who tell SurveyUSA that they pay "a lot" of attention to politics, the scale tilts to the right: Today it's:
* Trump 54%, Clinton 36%.
* Trump 53%, Sanders 39%.
* Trump 53%, Biden 37%.
* Trump 54%, Gore 36%. "
The world has gone mad.
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The liberal elite isn't interested in the problems you describe.Tykejohnno said:Brilliant this multicultural Britain,we have the Roma over the road from us playing they music top of the sound can go,singing along drunk.
The same house months back a white British couple were forced to move because the boyfriend got beat up by a racist Asian gang.
Just brilliant.0 -
Labour voters are 63% In, 37% Out, LDs 84% In, 16% Out, UKIP voters 95% Out, 5% In, so it looks like Tory votes will be the swing voters in EU refAndyJS said:
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Final-MoS-September-Tables-1c0d0h4.pdf0 -
We won't have a choice when they get EU passports.HYUFD said:
In the end I don't think we will take a large numberSean_F said:
They've nothing left to offer us.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
Stay in the EU and take several hundred thousand asylum seekers.0 -
That takes ~8 years in Germany, by which time people will be by and large settled down in Germany.JEO said:
We won't have a choice when they get EU passports.HYUFD said:
In the end I don't think we will take a large numberSean_F said:
They've nothing left to offer us.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
Stay in the EU and take several hundred thousand asylum seekers.0 -
This is the danger for the Tory leadership. They risk being on the wrong side of the base, which can be done, but only if you're respectful and honest about it. If they start coming out with three million jobs nonsense or say eurosceptics want to pull up the drawbridge they will be in trouble.HYUFD said:
Labour voters are 63% In, 37% Out, LDs 84% In, 16% Out, UKIP voters 95% Out, 5% In, so it looks like Tory votes will be the swing voters in EU refAndyJS said:
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I'm just hoping the same racist Asian gang might come round and do me a favour with the noise.AndyJS said:
The liberal elite isn't interested in the problems you describe.Tykejohnno said:Brilliant this multicultural Britain,we have the Roma over the road from us playing they music top of the sound can go,singing along drunk.
The same house months back a white British couple were forced to move because the boyfriend got beat up by a racist Asian gang.
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Indeed, in Scotland it was 2010 Labour voters who proved to be the key swing votes for No, however most of those who voted Yes subsequently voted SNP in 2015. The Tories must be wary to ensure that even while they try and win the referendum they do not lay the ground for Tory No voters to switch to UKIP in 2020JEO said:
This is the danger for the Tory leadership. They risk being on the wrong side of the base, which can be done, but only if you're respectful and honest about it. If they start coming out with three million jobs nonsense or say eurosceptics want to pull up the drawbridge they will be in trouble.HYUFD said:
Labour voters are 63% In, 37% Out, LDs 84% In, 16% Out, UKIP voters 95% Out, 5% In, so it looks like Tory votes will be the swing voters in EU refAndyJS said:
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Indeed. I am hoping I will wake up shortly.The_Apocalypse said:
I can't believe Americans are seriously going to vote for Trump as POTUS.MTimT said:Ouch! This has got to hurt the Dems, and Hillary's campaign in particular:
"In an election for President of the United States, today, Labor Day, business provocateur Donald Trump narrowly defeats Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Al Gore, in head-to-head matchups, according to nationwide polling conducted by SurveyUSA.
"Today it's:
* Trump 45%, Clinton 40%. (There is a 20-point Gender Gap; Trump leads by 18 points among seniors.)
* Trump 44%, Sanders 40%. (Trump leads by 10 among independents and by 6 among moderates.)
* Trump 44%, Biden 42%. (Trump leads by 10 among the best educated; Biden leads by 17 among the least educated.)
* Trump 44%, Gore 41%. (Trump leads by 12 among men and by 18 among voters age 50+.)
Among a subset of registered voters who tell SurveyUSA that they pay "a lot" of attention to politics, the scale tilts to the right: Today it's:
* Trump 54%, Clinton 36%.
* Trump 53%, Sanders 39%.
* Trump 53%, Biden 37%.
* Trump 54%, Gore 36%. "
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In war the first casualty is the truth.HYUFD said:
Indeed, the Head of the Kendall campaign has said he has given his second vote to Burnham. "According to Burnham’s canvassing data – involving responses from the 80,494 people eligible to vote – the percentage of his voters who have, or will, put Corbyn down as a second preference has risen in recent weeks from 28% to 51%.Speedy said:I come back from a night out to see that OUT is leading thanks to the immigration crisis and the Anyone But Corbyn camp in general disarray once more:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/05/labour-liz-kendall-vote-for-yvette-cooper-get-jeremy-corbyn
Make your minds up, yesterday according to the ABC's, Cooper was brilliant and Burnham was trash, today they flipped once more.
Only 30% of Burnham’s second preferences would go to Cooper if he came third, it is claimed."
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However uncharitable it may be, it seems Europe is getting to the point where pulling up the drawbridge is the only option if we want democracy to live on.JEO said:
This is the danger for the Tory leadership. They risk being on the wrong side of the base, which can be done, but only if you're respectful and honest about it. If they start coming out with three million jobs nonsense or say eurosceptics want to pull up the drawbridge they will be in trouble.HYUFD said:
Labour voters are 63% In, 37% Out, LDs 84% In, 16% Out, UKIP voters 95% Out, 5% In, so it looks like Tory votes will be the swing voters in EU refAndyJS said:
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Passports took 10 years in Holland, yet more than a third of their Somali population came to the UK. If only 10% of this migrant wave do the same, thats an extra 80,000 per year for the UK.Philip_Thompson said:
That takes ~8 years in Germany, by which time people will be by and large settled down in Germany.JEO said:
We won't have a choice when they get EU passports.HYUFD said:
In the end I don't think we will take a large numberSean_F said:
They've nothing left to offer us.HYUFD said:
In the end Germany will want the UK to stay, it does not want to be the only major north European economy left in the EU, outnumbered by Spain, Italy and FranceThe_Apocalypse said:
Well, good luck with that one. Does anyone especially after the migrant crisis saga - believe that Cameron will get a decent renegotiation?HYUFD said:
Stay in the EU and take several hundred thousand asylum seekers.0
